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over a year ago
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Given that covid is simply a new nasty form of flu. Don't you think we should all just crack on with life. As we do every year.
This is a question about whether we get on with life or not, because covid19 is here to stay.
Just like all the previous strains of coronavirus. It's not a debate about whether it's to be feared about or not.
Personally. I know it's a nasty strain. I m 100 percent satisfied, its pretty much flu re branded.
Can't live our lives in fear.
What will be will be  |
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Unfortunately, you being 100% satisfied isn't the way these things are measured.
Decisions are made based on tne best available science at the time and, as we have seen, is subject to change as more information comes to light.
I rather think that we are stuck as we are for the time being. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"The regular flu does not put fit health young people with no underlying health conditions in intensive care fighting for their lives! "
So given that according to the WHO.
There have been no recorded deaths from flu this year.
Considering there's up to 600 thousand deaths a year caused by flu.
Why are there non
My other point is. Its a scientific Fact that this coronavirus is here to stay.
Do we continue in this vein. Or get on with life?
Evidence to back up my points on request.
Evidence against. Absolutely welcome.
Please keep it civil. Don't insult or mock an opinion. Debate like intelligent, grown up, oooman beens   |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Given that covid is simply a new nasty form of flu. Don't you think we should all just crack on with life. As we do every year.
This is a question about whether we get on with life or not, because covid19 is here to stay.
Just like all the previous strains of coronavirus. It's not a debate about whether it's to be feared about or not.
Personally. I know it's a nasty strain. I m 100 percent satisfied, its pretty much flu re branded.
Can't live our lives in fear.
What will be will be "
In short, no... you have just dumbed down a series of incredibly difficult scientific questions which we currently do not have the answer for.
We should all suck it up, be responsible and do our part. |
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"Given that covid is simply a new nasty form of flu. Don't you think we should all just crack on with life. As we do every year.
This is a question about whether we get on with life or not, because covid19 is here to stay.
Just like all the previous strains of coronavirus. It's not a debate about whether it's to be feared about or not.
Personally. I know it's a nasty strain. I m 100 percent satisfied, its pretty much flu re branded.
Can't live our lives in fear.
What will be will be "
If people can keep up the increased awareness of hygiene and respecting peoples personal space and cleaning surfaces better... Sure.. Some people had got pretty disgusting habits like sneezing over people or coughing over people.... So long as basic levels of hygiene stay higher there's. Good chance yes.... For now at least. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Given that covid is simply a new nasty form of flu. Don't you think we should all just crack on with life. As we do every year.
This is a question about whether we get on with life or not, because covid19 is here to stay.
Just like all the previous strains of coronavirus. It's not a debate about whether it's to be feared about or not.
Personally. I know it's a nasty strain. I m 100 percent satisfied, its pretty much flu re branded.
Can't live our lives in fear.
What will be will be "
Absolutely not. The only reason deaths are so low is the incredible sacrifices that have been made within global society. To pretend we can just go back to normal would lead to death on an almost unprecedented scale. Not to mention the lifelong legacy of complications that a significant number of survivors would be left with. Like it or not, it's hear to stay for a while at least. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Given that covid is simply a new nasty form of flu. Don't you think we should all just crack on with life. As we do every year.
This is a question about whether we get on with life or not, because covid19 is here to stay.
Just like all the previous strains of coronavirus. It's not a debate about whether it's to be feared about or not.
Personally. I know it's a nasty strain. I m 100 percent satisfied, its pretty much flu re branded.
Can't live our lives in fear.
What will be will be "
OK but the flu is in a completely different virus group to covid which makes your whole point moot.
If it were your friends and family dying I'm 100 percent satisfied you'd be singing a different tune. |
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Fatalism would have long ago seen off the human race. We're blessed with abilities to protect and improve life.
It's not flu. It impacts life very differently and kills many more people.
New Zealand has generally done very well with this. They would be aghast at a statement like the op, to just let it play out  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Given that covid is simply a new nasty form of flu. Don't you think we should all just crack on with life. As we do every year.
This is a question about whether we get on with life or not, because covid19 is here to stay.
Just like all the previous strains of coronavirus. It's not a debate about whether it's to be feared about or not.
Personally. I know it's a nasty strain. I m 100 percent satisfied, its pretty much flu re branded.
Can't live our lives in fear.
What will be will be
In short, no... you have just dumbed down a series of incredibly difficult scientific questions which we currently do not have the answer for.
We should all suck it up, be responsible and do our part. "
Dumbed down I have plenty of sources that contradict the numbers. Not to mention scientific facts that Id be happy to share.
Do you? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Given that covid is simply a new nasty form of flu. Don't you think we should all just crack on with life. As we do every year.
This is a question about whether we get on with life or not, because covid19 is here to stay.
Just like all the previous strains of coronavirus. It's not a debate about whether it's to be feared about or not.
Personally. I know it's a nasty strain. I m 100 percent satisfied, its pretty much flu re branded.
Can't live our lives in fear.
What will be will be
OK but the flu is in a completely different virus group to covid which makes your whole point moot.
If it were your friends and family dying I'm 100 percent satisfied you'd be singing a different tune. "
Covid is not a virus. It's a disease called covid 19 that comes from a coronavirus.
So my point is not moot as far as I can see |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Given that everything the OP has said is based on false premises... no."
Exactly. WHO have NOT said no deaths from flu this year. Don't know where the OPs source is from...but it's a lie. Pure and simple. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Given that covid is simply a new nasty form of flu. Don't you think we should all just crack on with life. As we do every year.
This is a question about whether we get on with life or not, because covid19 is here to stay.
Just like all the previous strains of coronavirus. It's not a debate about whether it's to be feared about or not.
Personally. I know it's a nasty strain. I m 100 percent satisfied, its pretty much flu re branded.
Can't live our lives in fear.
What will be will be
Absolutely not. The only reason deaths are so low is the incredible sacrifices that have been made within global society. To pretend we can just go back to normal would lead to death on an almost unprecedented scale. Not to mention the lifelong legacy of complications that a significant number of survivors would be left with. Like it or not, it's hear to stay for a while at least. "
So you are happy to live the rest of your life in fear of a virus that's going to be with us forever.
As well as obide by everything you will be told to do in order to protect each other?
All that for a virus that is pretty much on par with the flu mortality rate. Albeit ever so slightly higher?
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Given that everything the OP has said is based on false premises... no.
Exactly. WHO have NOT said no deaths from flu this year. Don't know where the OPs source is from...but it's a lie. Pure and simple."
Hahaha you'll find it with the simplest of Google searches.
Try the world health organisations website to begin with.
It's right there for you to see. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Given that covid is simply a new nasty form of flu. Don't you think we should all just crack on with life. As we do every year.
This is a question about whether we get on with life or not, because covid19 is here to stay.
Just like all the previous strains of coronavirus. It's not a debate about whether it's to be feared about or not.
Personally. I know it's a nasty strain. I m 100 percent satisfied, its pretty much flu re branded.
Can't live our lives in fear.
What will be will be
OK but the flu is in a completely different virus group to covid which makes your whole point moot.
If it were your friends and family dying I'm 100 percent satisfied you'd be singing a different tune.
Covid is not a virus. It's a disease called covid 19 that comes from a coronavirus.
So my point is not moot as far as I can see "
It's a disease caused by a virus group, as is the flu. Two virus groups which happen to be totally different.
And that makes sense from where I'm standing, as it's apparent you can't see very much. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Given that everything the OP has said is based on false premises... no.
Exactly. WHO have NOT said no deaths from flu this year. Don't know where the OPs source is from...but it's a lie. Pure and simple.
Hahaha you'll find it with the simplest of Google searches.
Try the world health organisations website to begin with.
It's right there for you to see. "
Ive seen it! But not what you said. |
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By *unny14Man
over a year ago
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Sadly regular flu can put anyone of any health condition in intensive care it doesn't pick Gender age or your fitness there are over2000 more strains of covid that have not been identified yet there is a team checking for future covid strains of the future now as we speak here to try and pre empt a covid based outbreak antidote before it starts the experts and no. They are not Chinese they are American covid based experts tell us this is a fairly mild strain of ythe disease and other covid as I say yet to be found could wipe out most of the worlds population so is it really another flu well in its symptoms yes sorry to be a Debbie downer but its real guys stay safe |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Given that everything the OP has said is based on false premises... no.
Exactly. WHO have NOT said no deaths from flu this year. Don't know where the OPs source is from...but it's a lie. Pure and simple.
Hahaha you'll find it with the simplest of Google searches.
Try the world health organisations website to begin with.
It's right there for you to see.
Ive seen it! But not what you said."
Send me a link. I'm absolutely open to facts and stats. How else can you get an informed decision? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Dumbed down I have plenty of sources that contradict the numbers. Not to mention scientific facts that Id be happy to share.
Do you? "
I work in an ICU, I read, I listen so yes... I think I do,
Shoot, blows us all away with your insight x |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Dumbed down I have plenty of sources that contradict the numbers. Not to mention scientific facts that Id be happy to share.
Do you?
I work in an ICU, I read, I listen so yes... I think I do,
Shoot, blows us all away with your insight x"
Absolutely happy to. Obviously working in ICU means you are a specialist in the field of virology. I suppose I'll have to go first |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I mean, given that the OP continues to insist that SARS-COVID-2 (a corona virus) is a type of flu (influenza is a Orthomyxoviridae not a corona virus)... no "
Fair point. It's not a flu. It's a coronavirus. Mortality rate isn't that much more though. So I'm led to believe so far. Obviously open to other evidence |
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https://www.who.int/influenza/surveillance_monitoring/updates/latest_update_GIP_surveillance/en/
Not sure if I'm allowed to post links.
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"I mean, given that the OP continues to insist that SARS-COVID-2 (a corona virus) is a type of flu (influenza is a Orthomyxoviridae not a corona virus)... no
Fair point. It's not a flu. It's a coronavirus. Mortality rate isn't that much more though. So I'm led to believe so far. Obviously open to other evidence "
Just looking at the uk the average flu deaths are around 16000 for the whole year, death toll varies between around 1500 to around 27000. Covid has killed nearly 50000 in just over a quarter of year. This is with social distancing in place. Covid is a lot of more contagious and quite a bit more deadly than flu. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"https://www.who.int/influenza/surveillance_monitoring/updates/latest_update_GIP_surveillance/en/
Not sure if I'm allowed to post links.
Please remove whith my apologies if so "
The very first part of the summary says the results should be treated with caution as the current measures for trying to stop Covid spread may be having the side effect of reducing flu contagion. Not a bad thing, but it distorts the comparison between flu and Covid. If Covid is currently at the level you'd normally expect for flu in normal life but only because of the exceptional measures currently in place, then Covid is actually far more infectious. |
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"I mean, given that the OP continues to insist that SARS-COVID-2 (a corona virus) is a type of flu (influenza is a Orthomyxoviridae not a corona virus)... no
Fair point. It's not a flu. It's a coronavirus. Mortality rate isn't that much more though. So I'm led to believe so far. Obviously open to other evidence
Just looking at the uk the average flu deaths are around 16000 for the whole year, death toll varies between around 1500 to around 27000. Covid has killed nearly 50000 in just over a quarter of year. This is with social distancing in place. Covid is a lot of more contagious and quite a bit more deadly than flu."
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Given that covid is simply a new nasty form of flu. Don't you think we should all just crack on with life. As we do every year.
This is a question about whether we get on with life or not, because covid19 is here to stay.
Just like all the previous strains of coronavirus. It's not a debate about whether it's to be feared about or not.
Personally. I know it's a nasty strain. I m 100 percent satisfied, its pretty much flu re branded.
Can't live our lives in fear.
What will be will be "
Yes very true.
We either get back to work as normal or sit back and watch the economy go bust and then no one gets any healthcare. |
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"Given that covid is simply a new nasty form of flu. Don't you think we should all just crack on with life. As we do every year.
This is a question about whether we get on with life or not, because covid19 is here to stay.
Just like all the previous strains of coronavirus. It's not a debate about whether it's to be feared about or not.
Personally. I know it's a nasty strain. I m 100 percent satisfied, its pretty much flu re branded.
Can't live our lives in fear.
What will be will be
Yes very true.
We either get back to work as normal or sit back and watch the economy go bust and then no one gets any healthcare."
And tens of thousands more people dying won't destroy the economy?
I thought the economy was for the good of people. Rather than people dying for the economy |
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All that for a virus that is pretty much on par with the flu mortality rate. Albeit ever so slightly higher?
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The reason there are not as many deaths as what there could have been is because most of us were on lock down not spreading it
It isn't flu |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Given that covid is simply a new nasty form of flu. Don't you think we should all just crack on with life. As we do every year.
This is a question about whether we get on with life or not, because covid19 is here to stay.
Just like all the previous strains of coronavirus. It's not a debate about whether it's to be feared about or not.
Personally. I know it's a nasty strain. I m 100 percent satisfied, its pretty much flu re branded.
Can't live our lives in fear.
What will be will be
Yes very true.
We either get back to work as normal or sit back and watch the economy go bust and then no one gets any healthcare.
And tens of thousands more people dying won't destroy the economy?
I thought the economy was for the good of people. Rather than people dying for the economy"
And a healthy population is the only way to a healthy economy, this pandemic has shown that. If the population is not fit or able to work we are mostly financially fucked |
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"Given that covid is simply a new nasty form of flu. Don't you think we should all just crack on with life. As we do every year.
This is a question about whether we get on with life or not, because covid19 is here to stay.
Just like all the previous strains of coronavirus. It's not a debate about whether it's to be feared about or not.
Personally. I know it's a nasty strain. I m 100 percent satisfied, its pretty much flu re branded.
Can't live our lives in fear.
What will be will be "
Well if you say it is then I'm sure it is Dr....?? Sorry I missed your name.... |
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"Given that covid is simply a new nasty form of flu. Don't you think we should all just crack on with life. As we do every year.
This is a question about whether we get on with life or not, because covid19 is here to stay.
Just like all the previous strains of coronavirus. It's not a debate about whether it's to be feared about or not.
Personally. I know it's a nasty strain. I m 100 percent satisfied, its pretty much flu re branded.
Can't live our lives in fear.
What will be will be
Well if you say it is then I'm sure it is Dr....?? Sorry I missed your name.... "
I'm not a doctor. Never professed to be. Im asking a simple question in a search for the truth. So far the only evidence I've seen. Supports my opinion (even though my opinion has nothing to do with the question I asked) |
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"Given that covid is simply a new nasty form of flu. Don't you think we should all just crack on with life. As we do every year.
This is a question about whether we get on with life or not, because covid19 is here to stay.
Just like all the previous strains of coronavirus. It's not a debate about whether it's to be feared about or not.
Personally. I know it's a nasty strain. I m 100 percent satisfied, its pretty much flu re branded.
Can't live our lives in fear.
What will be will be
Well if you say it is then I'm sure it is Dr....?? Sorry I missed your name....
I'm not a doctor. Never professed to be. Im asking a simple question in a search for the truth. So far the only evidence I've seen. Supports my opinion (even though my opinion has nothing to do with the question I asked) "
You mean the article that you linked to at the WHO that actually doesn't support what you said? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I hope this thread has dispelled some of your misconceptions and given you food for thought, OP."
Nope. Still waiting on the evidence from the opposition |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Given that covid is simply a new nasty form of flu. Don't you think we should all just crack on with life. As we do every year.
This is a question about whether we get on with life or not, because covid19 is here to stay.
Just like all the previous strains of coronavirus. It's not a debate about whether it's to be feared about or not.
Personally. I know it's a nasty strain. I m 100 percent satisfied, its pretty much flu re branded.
Can't live our lives in fear.
What will be will be
Well if you say it is then I'm sure it is Dr....?? Sorry I missed your name....
I'm not a doctor. Never professed to be. Im asking a simple question in a search for the truth. So far the only evidence I've seen. Supports my opinion (even though my opinion has nothing to do with the question I asked)
You mean the article that you linked to at the WHO that actually doesn't support what you said?"
So you couldn't see the nap that showed zero flu related deaths from January to July this year. Globally? (aside from the areas they couldn't gather data)
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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All that for a virus that is pretty much on par with the flu mortality rate. Albeit ever so slightly higher?
The reason there are not as many deaths as what there could have been is because most of us were on lock down not spreading it
It isn't flu"
I just said Id made a typo saying its flu. Sorry but don't you think that's a little too coincidental. If you die from a flu related illness. Surely it still gets recorded. With that in mind why has nobody up until July. Died from a flu related illness.
Still waiting to be proved wrong in my opinion. I'd be lacking in braincells if I didn't continuously question what exudes from a government that really couldn't give two tosses whether you live or die. |
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"Given that covid is simply a new nasty form of flu. Don't you think we should all just crack on with life. As we do every year.
This is a question about whether we get on with life or not, because covid19 is here to stay.
Just like all the previous strains of coronavirus. It's not a debate about whether it's to be feared about or not.
Personally. I know it's a nasty strain. I m 100 percent satisfied, its pretty much flu re branded.
Can't live our lives in fear.
What will be will be
Well if you say it is then I'm sure it is Dr....?? Sorry I missed your name....
I'm not a doctor. Never professed to be. Im asking a simple question in a search for the truth. So far the only evidence I've seen. Supports my opinion (even though my opinion has nothing to do with the question I asked)
You mean the article that you linked to at the WHO that actually doesn't support what you said?
So you couldn't see the nap that showed zero flu related deaths from January to July this year. Globally? (aside from the areas they couldn't gather data)
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I probably missed it just like the bit you have overlooked where it specifically stated that the Covid precautions have distorted the results for flu data at this time. |
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"You're 100% satisfied, in your OP, that it's rebranded flu.
Then you concede it's a different class of virus to the flu.
Now you're saying no one has given you any evidence.
Ok. "
Your clutching at straws now. You are follow the popular opinion without any facts to back yourself up.
I've already said I didn't write my statement correctly.
For the hard of learning.
Coronavirus is a virus that exits in many forms. Common cold etc.
Some are dormant and yet to be discovered.
Flu is not a coronavirus.
However.
Given that up to 600000 people a year, die from flu. That's out of 1 billion people.
Coronavirus that causes covid19 is still pretty close to the flu mortality rate.
All I'm asking is.
Is it really something to spend the rest of our lives in fear of. Or do we accept its here to stay and crack on.
As predicted. The replies are more concerned with the fact I don't match the opinions of others.
Why would that bother everyone?
What happened to answering the original question.
I've already stated, I'm not aggressive or passive aggressive about it all. I'm open to a change of opinion. When I'm shown the proven, scientific, verified, evidence.
Please. I want to see evidence from sources other than main stream media |
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"I couldn’t agree more... this virus (which I’m starting to believe it exaggerated massively!) has gone on long enough now.
Unfortunately the reality doesn't care if you're tired of it."
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"You're 100% satisfied, in your OP, that it's rebranded flu.
Then you concede it's a different class of virus to the flu.
Now you're saying no one has given you any evidence.
Ok.
Your clutching at straws now. You are follow the popular opinion without any facts to back yourself up.
I've already said I didn't write my statement correctly.
For the hard of learning.
Coronavirus is a virus that exits in many forms. Common cold etc.
Some are dormant and yet to be discovered.
Flu is not a coronavirus.
However.
Given that up to 600000 people a year, die from flu. That's out of 1 billion people.
Coronavirus that causes covid19 is still pretty close to the flu mortality rate.
All I'm asking is.
Is it really something to spend the rest of our lives in fear of. Or do we accept its here to stay and crack on.
As predicted. The replies are more concerned with the fact I don't match the opinions of others.
Why would that bother everyone?
What happened to answering the original question.
I've already stated, I'm not aggressive or passive aggressive about it all. I'm open to a change of opinion. When I'm shown the proven, scientific, verified, evidence.
Please. I want to see evidence from sources other than main stream media "
What would the fatality figures be in the world hadn’t locked down. |
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"Given that covid is simply a new nasty form of flu. Don't you think we should all just crack on with life. As we do every year.
This is a question about whether we get on with life or not, because covid19 is here to stay.
Just like all the previous strains of coronavirus. It's not a debate about whether it's to be feared about or not.
Personally. I know it's a nasty strain. I m 100 percent satisfied, its pretty much flu re branded.
Can't live our lives in fear.
What will be will be
Well if you say it is then I'm sure it is Dr....?? Sorry I missed your name....
I'm not a doctor. Never professed to be. Im asking a simple question in a search for the truth. So far the only evidence I've seen. Supports my opinion (even though my opinion has nothing to do with the question I asked)
You mean the article that you linked to at the WHO that actually doesn't support what you said?
So you couldn't see the nap that showed zero flu related deaths from January to July this year. Globally? (aside from the areas they couldn't gather data)
I probably missed it just like the bit you have overlooked where it specifically stated that the Covid precautions have distorted the results for flu data at this time. "
And where is your EVIDENCE to back that up. Sounds like a hypothesis to me.
You do know that when they do computer simulations. They can put an infinite amount of variables that will end up with different results. Is that science Fact or is it manipulated to attain a wanted result.
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OP. The original question is if Covid-19 is a nasty strain of flu. It is not. You concede it is not.
I've answered the original question. Without using any journalistic sources whatsoever.
I also gave you an answer to a follow up question with a national data source which is also not any form of journalism.
I suspect you want to say "we should open up and none of you have any evidence" and are somewhat stumped that we have views and have educated ourselves. |
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"You're 100% satisfied, in your OP, that it's rebranded flu.
Then you concede it's a different class of virus to the flu.
Now you're saying no one has given you any evidence.
Ok.
Your clutching at straws now. You are follow the popular opinion without any facts to back yourself up.
I've already said I didn't write my statement correctly.
For the hard of learning.
Coronavirus is a virus that exits in many forms. Common cold etc.
Some are dormant and yet to be discovered.
Flu is not a coronavirus.
However.
Given that up to 600000 people a year, die from flu. That's out of 1 billion people.
Coronavirus that causes covid19 is still pretty close to the flu mortality rate.
All I'm asking is.
Is it really something to spend the rest of our lives in fear of. Or do we accept its here to stay and crack on.
As predicted. The replies are more concerned with the fact I don't match the opinions of others.
Why would that bother everyone?
What happened to answering the original question.
I've already stated, I'm not aggressive or passive aggressive about it all. I'm open to a change of opinion. When I'm shown the proven, scientific, verified, evidence.
Please. I want to see evidence from sources other than main stream media "
You want to see evidence from somewhere other than main media. Try reading actual peer reviewed scientific papers from reputable universities. But please bear in mind, these sorts of papers are not always written for the layman, they ofteb assume a certain level of prior knowledge of the field about which they are written. So I would also suggest some of the open universities online courses. |
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"You're 100% satisfied, in your OP, that it's rebranded flu.
Then you concede it's a different class of virus to the flu.
Now you're saying no one has given you any evidence.
Ok.
Your clutching at straws now. You are follow the popular opinion without any facts to back yourself up.
I've already said I didn't write my statement correctly.
For the hard of learning.
Coronavirus is a virus that exits in many forms. Common cold etc.
Some are dormant and yet to be discovered.
Flu is not a coronavirus.
However.
Given that up to 600000 people a year, die from flu. That's out of 1 billion people.
Coronavirus that causes covid19 is still pretty close to the flu mortality rate.
All I'm asking is.
Is it really something to spend the rest of our lives in fear of. Or do we accept its here to stay and crack on.
As predicted. The replies are more concerned with the fact I don't match the opinions of others.
Why would that bother everyone?
What happened to answering the original question.
I've already stated, I'm not aggressive or passive aggressive about it all. I'm open to a change of opinion. When I'm shown the proven, scientific, verified, evidence.
Please. I want to see evidence from sources other than main stream media
What would the fatality figures be in the world hadn’t locked down."
To hazard a guess. Based on my personal opinion (not necessarily fact). Pretty much the same as last year. Probably less than 2017 to 2018.
Did you know that up until the UK locked down, we were actually less "all deaths" than the previous year.?
Lockdown equalled a huge spike in deaths. Combine that with false death certificates claiming covid.
Those that needed essential treatment, died because they were scared to go to hospital, and you have huge numbers.
The charts are out there.
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"Given that covid is simply a new nasty form of flu. Don't you think we should all just crack on with life. As we do every year.
This is a question about whether we get on with life or not, because covid19 is here to stay.
Just like all the previous strains of coronavirus. It's not a debate about whether it's to be feared about or not.
Personally. I know it's a nasty strain. I m 100 percent satisfied, its pretty much flu re branded.
Can't live our lives in fear.
What will be will be
Well if you say it is then I'm sure it is Dr....?? Sorry I missed your name....
I'm not a doctor. Never professed to be. Im asking a simple question in a search for the truth. So far the only evidence I've seen. Supports my opinion (even though my opinion has nothing to do with the question I asked)
You mean the article that you linked to at the WHO that actually doesn't support what you said?
So you couldn't see the nap that showed zero flu related deaths from January to July this year. Globally? (aside from the areas they couldn't gather data)
I probably missed it just like the bit you have overlooked where it specifically stated that the Covid precautions have distorted the results for flu data at this time.
And where is your EVIDENCE to back that up. Sounds like a hypothesis to me.
You do know that when they do computer simulations. They can put an infinite amount of variables that will end up with different results. Is that science Fact or is it manipulated to attain a wanted result.
That I'm afraid is a hard fact. "
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The evidence is in the link you posted trying to back up your own point. Either you regard the report as credible as you think it backs up your argument (I maintain this is you misinterpreting the results), or it is not credible, in which case you posted "evidence" that discredited your own argument. You can't have it both ways. |
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"You're 100% satisfied, in your OP, that it's rebranded flu.
Then you concede it's a different class of virus to the flu.
Now you're saying no one has given you any evidence.
Ok.
Your clutching at straws now. You are follow the popular opinion without any facts to back yourself up.
I've already said I didn't write my statement correctly.
For the hard of learning.
Coronavirus is a virus that exits in many forms. Common cold etc.
Some are dormant and yet to be discovered.
Flu is not a coronavirus.
However.
Given that up to 600000 people a year, die from flu. That's out of 1 billion people.
Coronavirus that causes covid19 is still pretty close to the flu mortality rate.
All I'm asking is.
Is it really something to spend the rest of our lives in fear of. Or do we accept its here to stay and crack on.
As predicted. The replies are more concerned with the fact I don't match the opinions of others.
Why would that bother everyone?
What happened to answering the original question.
I've already stated, I'm not aggressive or passive aggressive about it all. I'm open to a change of opinion. When I'm shown the proven, scientific, verified, evidence.
Please. I want to see evidence from sources other than main stream media
What would the fatality figures be in the world hadn’t locked down.
To hazard a guess. Based on my personal opinion (not necessarily fact). Pretty much the same as last year. Probably less than 2017 to 2018.
Did you know that up until the UK locked down, we were actually less "all deaths" than the previous year.?
Lockdown equalled a huge spike in deaths. Combine that with false death certificates claiming covid.
Those that needed essential treatment, died because they were scared to go to hospital, and you have huge numbers.
The charts are out there.
You make up your own mind "
You do agree that people get sick before they die.
So those infected before lockdown died during it. That’s not exactly surprising is it ? |
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over a year ago
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All that for a virus that is pretty much on par with the flu mortality rate. Albeit ever so slightly higher?
The reason there are not as many deaths as what there could have been is because most of us were on lock down not spreading it
It isn't flu
I just said Id made a typo saying its flu. Sorry but don't you think that's a little too coincidental. If you die from a flu related illness. Surely it still gets recorded. With that in mind why has nobody up until July. Died from a flu related illness.
Still waiting to be proved wrong in my opinion. I'd be lacking in braincells if I didn't continuously question what exudes from a government that really couldn't give two tosses whether you live or die. "
I was just pointing out to you that Covid is not flu. |
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"You're 100% satisfied, in your OP, that it's rebranded flu.
Then you concede it's a different class of virus to the flu.
Now you're saying no one has given you any evidence.
Ok.
Your clutching at straws now. You are follow the popular opinion without any facts to back yourself up.
I've already said I didn't write my statement correctly.
For the hard of learning.
Coronavirus is a virus that exits in many forms. Common cold etc.
Some are dormant and yet to be discovered.
Flu is not a coronavirus.
However.
Given that up to 600000 people a year, die from flu. That's out of 1 billion people.
Coronavirus that causes covid19 is still pretty close to the flu mortality rate.
All I'm asking is.
Is it really something to spend the rest of our lives in fear of. Or do we accept its here to stay and crack on.
As predicted. The replies are more concerned with the fact I don't match the opinions of others.
Why would that bother everyone?
What happened to answering the original question.
I've already stated, I'm not aggressive or passive aggressive about it all. I'm open to a change of opinion. When I'm shown the proven, scientific, verified, evidence.
Please. I want to see evidence from sources other than main stream media
You want to see evidence from somewhere other than main media. Try reading actual peer reviewed scientific papers from reputable universities. But please bear in mind, these sorts of papers are not always written for the layman, they ofteb assume a certain level of prior knowledge of the field about which they are written. So I would also suggest some of the open universities online courses. "
OK. Can you explain why the independent newspaper claimed that Canada had isolated and achieved the gold standard in the coronavirus recognition. That was march.
In July. Under the freedom of information act. The Canadian government were asked to provide such research.
The reply was. We have no data on the sequencing, isolation blah blah blah of coronavirus SARSCOV2.
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"
All that for a virus that is pretty much on par with the flu mortality rate. Albeit ever so slightly higher?
The reason there are not as many deaths as what there could have been is because most of us were on lock down not spreading it
It isn't flu
I just said Id made a typo saying its flu. Sorry but don't you think that's a little too coincidental. If you die from a flu related illness. Surely it still gets recorded. With that in mind why has nobody up until July. Died from a flu related illness.
Still waiting to be proved wrong in my opinion. I'd be lacking in braincells if I didn't continuously question what exudes from a government that really couldn't give two tosses whether you live or die.
I was just pointing out to you that Covid is not flu. "
No covid is a "disease" coronavirus is the virus. The strain of which is called SarsCov2 |
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All that for a virus that is pretty much on par with the flu mortality rate. Albeit ever so slightly higher?
The reason there are not as many deaths as what there could have been is because most of us were on lock down not spreading it
It isn't flu
I just said Id made a typo saying its flu. Sorry but don't you think that's a little too coincidental. If you die from a flu related illness. Surely it still gets recorded. With that in mind why has nobody up until July. Died from a flu related illness.
Still waiting to be proved wrong in my opinion. I'd be lacking in braincells if I didn't continuously question what exudes from a government that really couldn't give two tosses whether you live or die.
I was just pointing out to you that Covid is not flu.
No covid is a "disease" coronavirus is the virus. The strain of which is called SarsCov2 "
And in the OP you said it's just another flu. Which is what Rugby corrected. |
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"You're 100% satisfied, in your OP, that it's rebranded flu.
Then you concede it's a different class of virus to the flu.
Now you're saying no one has given you any evidence.
Ok.
Your clutching at straws now. You are follow the popular opinion without any facts to back yourself up.
I've already said I didn't write my statement correctly.
For the hard of learning.
Coronavirus is a virus that exits in many forms. Common cold etc.
Some are dormant and yet to be discovered.
Flu is not a coronavirus.
However.
Given that up to 600000 people a year, die from flu. That's out of 1 billion people.
Coronavirus that causes covid19 is still pretty close to the flu mortality rate.
All I'm asking is.
Is it really something to spend the rest of our lives in fear of. Or do we accept its here to stay and crack on.
As predicted. The replies are more concerned with the fact I don't match the opinions of others.
Why would that bother everyone?
What happened to answering the original question.
I've already stated, I'm not aggressive or passive aggressive about it all. I'm open to a change of opinion. When I'm shown the proven, scientific, verified, evidence.
Please. I want to see evidence from sources other than main stream media
You want to see evidence from somewhere other than main media. Try reading actual peer reviewed scientific papers from reputable universities. But please bear in mind, these sorts of papers are not always written for the layman, they ofteb assume a certain level of prior knowledge of the field about which they are written. So I would also suggest some of the open universities online courses.
OK. Can you explain why the independent newspaper claimed that Canada had isolated and achieved the gold standard in the coronavirus recognition. That was march.
In July. Under the freedom of information act. The Canadian government were asked to provide such research.
The reply was. We have no data on the sequencing, isolation blah blah blah of coronavirus SARSCOV2.
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"I'm certainly satisfied, OP, that you're pushing an agenda and you're unhappy that people are vaguely scientifically literate."
No agenda. Just a simple question that has still not been answered.
Social warriors dismissing an opinion without any evidence (still) to sustain their opinions.
Just waiting for it to get personal. That's the usual go too when losing a debate .
Still open to sensible debate though. My opinion can be changed when presented with reasonable and respectful argument. |
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"
All that for a virus that is pretty much on par with the flu mortality rate. Albeit ever so slightly higher?
The reason there are not as many deaths as what there could have been is because most of us were on lock down not spreading it
It isn't flu
I just said Id made a typo saying its flu. Sorry but don't you think that's a little too coincidental. If you die from a flu related illness. Surely it still gets recorded. With that in mind why has nobody up until July. Died from a flu related illness.
Still waiting to be proved wrong in my opinion. I'd be lacking in braincells if I didn't continuously question what exudes from a government that really couldn't give two tosses whether you live or die.
I was just pointing out to you that Covid is not flu.
No covid is a "disease" coronavirus is the virus. The strain of which is called SarsCov2
And in the OP you said it's just another flu. Which is what Rugby corrected. "
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"Given that covid is simply a new nasty form of flu. Don't you think we should all just crack on with life. As we do every year.
This is a question about whether we get on with life or not, because covid19 is here to stay.
Just like all the previous strains of coronavirus. It's not a debate about whether it's to be feared about or not.
Personally. I know it's a nasty strain. I m 100 percent satisfied, its pretty much flu re branded.
Can't live our lives in fear.
What will be will be "
it will eventually phase out, just like past pandemics, heard immunity will kick in as it will separate the strong from the weak, there will eventually be no hosts as the virus would have infected majority or people eventually killing hosts off or providing immunity to those who survive thru antibodies and t-cells. Just my opinion. I wish a vaccine would be the answer but unfortunately i just cant see it. My advice would be go about a normal life as possible be cautious, keep to social distancing and wash your hands. Including after a poo (you know who you are) |
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By *ugby 123Couple
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"I'm certainly satisfied, OP, that you're pushing an agenda and you're unhappy that people are vaguely scientifically literate.
No agenda. Just a simple question that has still not been answered.
Social warriors dismissing an opinion without any evidence (still) to sustain their opinions.
Just waiting for it to get personal. That's the usual go too when losing a debate .
Still open to sensible debate though. My opinion can be changed when presented with reasonable and respectful argument. "
You are the one being personal by calling people social warriors for answering your posts. It seems to be a trend tonight on posts, accusing people of one thing then doing the same yourself
Lets keep it to an adult debate please, if people don't agree with what you have written it isn't the end of the world
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"I'm certainly satisfied, OP, that you're pushing an agenda and you're unhappy that people are vaguely scientifically literate.
No agenda. Just a simple question that has still not been answered.
Social warriors dismissing an opinion without any evidence (still) to sustain their opinions.
Just waiting for it to get personal. That's the usual go too when losing a debate .
Still open to sensible debate though. My opinion can be changed when presented with reasonable and respectful argument. "
Can you restate your questions please, given your OP has been thoroughly discredited?
SARS-COVID-2, which causes Covid-19, is a corona virus. Influenza is not.
Influenza deaths may be found by searching the website of the Office of National Statistics. These are difficult to disambiguate from other respiratory deaths due to data collection methods, but attempts have been made through freedom of information acts. Forum rules mean I cannot link these here, but they can be found on the ONS site if you search for influenza.
What else would you like to know? |
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Additionally, if statistics turn you on, look for
"Is the lockdown important to prevent the COVID-9 pandemic? Effects on psychology, environment and economy-perspective"
First author Abdulkadir Atalan
On the NIH website.
You'll notice I'm not using a single media source in answering you. |
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"The regular flu does not put fit health young people with no underlying health conditions in intensive care fighting for their lives! "
Probably sums up the misconception better than anything.
Covid-19 hardly affects young people at all. A child under 14 has more chance of being killed by lightening. It affects mostly the very old with co-morbidities.
Whereas flu can seriously affect the young. The 1918 flu pandemic killed millions of healthy 20- to 40-year-olds.
As an aside, if people are so concerned about deaths from CV19 why are they still using their cars and shopping on line etc. when air pollution kills more than CV19 each year (which does dis-proportionally affect children with their less developed lungs). Are they somehow lesser deaths?
People seem to have lost the ability to assess risk and think for themselves. |
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"Dumbed down I have plenty of sources that contradict the numbers. Not to mention scientific facts that Id be happy to share.
Do you?
I work in an ICU, I read, I listen so yes... I think I do,
Shoot, blows us all away with your insight x
Absolutely happy to. Obviously working in ICU means you are a specialist in the field of virology. I suppose I'll have to go first "
Why would it make me that? When did I ever suggest that?
What it would make me however is able to gauge first hand the impact of covid-19 compared to day... the flu.
Anyway, you did the drumroll and then failed to go first as you said... can you post your point and insightful evidence please? |
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"You can link to Gov sites"
Thank you.
Most recent result at a cursory glance, but shows that influenza deaths and Covid-19 deaths are not one and the same.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/deathsfrominfluenzabyagegroupin2020 |
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"The regular flu does not put fit health young people with no underlying health conditions in intensive care fighting for their lives!
Probably sums up the misconception better than anything.
Covid-19 hardly affects young people at all. A child under 14 has more chance of being killed by lightening. It affects mostly the very old with co-morbidities.
Whereas flu can seriously affect the young. The 1918 flu pandemic killed millions of healthy 20- to 40-year-olds.
As an aside, if people are so concerned about deaths from CV19 why are they still using their cars and shopping on line etc. when air pollution kills more than CV19 each year (which does dis-proportionally affect children with their less developed lungs). Are they somehow lesser deaths?
People seem to have lost the ability to assess risk and think for themselves."
Because this risk is additional with less resources for coping with it than risks we've had for years.
It would seem that you're not very good at understanding risk, either. |
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"I'm certainly satisfied, OP, that you're pushing an agenda and you're unhappy that people are vaguely scientifically literate.
No agenda. Just a simple question that has still not been answered.
Social warriors dismissing an opinion without any evidence (still) to sustain their opinions.
Just waiting for it to get personal. That's the usual go too when losing a debate .
Still open to sensible debate though. My opinion can be changed when presented with reasonable and respectful argument.
Can you restate your questions please, given your OP has been thoroughly discredited?
SARS-COVID-2, which causes Covid-19, is a corona virus. Influenza is not.
Influenza deaths may be found by searching the website of the Office of National Statistics. These are difficult to disambiguate from other respiratory deaths due to data collection methods, but attempts have been made through freedom of information acts. Forum rules mean I cannot link these here, but they can be found on the ONS site if you search for influenza.
What else would you like to know?"
You can read my question at the beginning.
I'd like to see your evidence that proves my opinion wrong. Seeing as that's all everyone seems bothered about.
Why can't you post links yet I could?
As for the ONS. Run by the government BTW.
I'm sure you will be able to explain why the UK doesn't have any covid recovery data. Seeing that pretty much every country does.
So far. Nobody has altered my opinion. Still waiting. But I think I'll give up and get on with life. Thanks for not answering my original question |
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So you want to know why Covid isn't just a flu, you want no media sources, you want actual evidence.
When presented with statistics and hard data answering your questions you ask for your OP to be answered. Which it was several times
And you declare the sources invalid.
Then declared you've won.
I mean ok. I'm not going to kink shame you if it turns you on, but I live in the real world. |
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By *oxy_minxWoman
over a year ago
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"Given that covid is simply a new nasty form of flu. Don't you think we should all just crack on with life. As we do every year.
This is a question about whether we get on with life or not, because covid19 is here to stay.
Just like all the previous strains of coronavirus. It's not a debate about whether it's to be feared about or not.
Personally. I know it's a nasty strain. I m 100 percent satisfied, its pretty much flu re branded.
Can't live our lives in fear.
What will be will be "
If you feel as strongly as you obviously do going by this thread, then go and do whatever you want to, none of us will stop you!
Don't wear a mask, don't socially distance and stop washing your hands that was not in your usual routine, see if we care 
When you come upon opposition that makes others uncomfortable, then willingly accept the consequences, just don't complain about it afterwards |
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"Given that covid is simply a new nasty form of flu. Don't you think we should all just crack on with life. As we do every year.
This is a question about whether we get on with life or not, because covid19 is here to stay.
Just like all the previous strains of coronavirus. It's not a debate about whether it's to be feared about or not.
Personally. I know it's a nasty strain. I m 100 percent satisfied, its pretty much flu re branded.
Can't live our lives in fear.
What will be will be "
We are fairly well versed on dealing with flu though and çan identify the strains and plan ahead. This has been a new thing that we have no defences against as yet so whilst we build those defences either in the form of vaccines or immunity it seems only wise to be more precautious. It would be nice in the future for flu to be given the samè sort of importance though for the elderly and vulnerable, there is probably a lot more we can do to prevent its spread and death rate rather than just having the complacency around it that we do, the same complacency that some would alrèady have with this coronavirus. If it brings it into focus a bit more for us to wash our hands, and not breathe all over people I dont see a problem. |
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"Given that covid is simply a new nasty form of flu. Don't you think we should all just crack on with life. As we do every year.
This is a question about whether we get on with life or not, because covid19 is here to stay.
Just like all the previous strains of coronavirus. It's not a debate about whether it's to be feared about or not.
Personally. I know it's a nasty strain. I m 100 percent satisfied, its pretty much flu re branded.
Can't live our lives in fear.
What will be will be "
In answer to your question,no , I don't think we should crack on as we have already had proof that just cracking on with our lives causes this virus to get out of control,which results in many deaths in people of all ages.
I think it's absolutely no hardship to any human being to wash their hands more frequently,wear a mask and socially distance from others if it means we keep control of the virus whilst hoping progress can be made with better treatment or a vaccine.
My mum is 80 this year, it won't be long before her life ends anyway but I would really like to have her around for as long as possible,so in order for that to happen,she takes precautions,has flu jabs, gets regular check ups and takes any prescribed medicine to enable her to live a full life.
I'm sure many of us have friends of family that we value having in our lives and so to think of totally ignorant arseholes that won't put themselves out and just follow the guidelines,which,by the way,are recommended by people whose knowledge far outweighs yours or mine, makes me fucking sick.
I'm so tired of reading stupid comments from people that want to act like spoilt children,moaning about the inconvenience that this virus has caused and not wanting to just do as they are told.
So,as I said, no, follow the guidelines,protect yourself and others,take it seriously and then,maybe one day we can all crack on,but that time isn't now. |
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"Given that everything the OP has said is based on false premises... no.
Exactly. WHO have NOT said no deaths from flu this year. Don't know where the OPs source is from...but it's a lie. Pure and simple.
Hahaha you'll find it with the simplest of Google searches.
Try the world health organisations website to begin with.
It's right there for you to see. "
Check out the ONS site, the flu figures are there for the UK. I doubt theres zero deaths but I'm not concerned enough to check. I seem to recall in March people quoting moren deaths from flu than Covid.
Not saying your wrong but I'm kinda dubious that you are right and every government on the planet is wrong, but hey ...
Any idea who's going to play you in the movie when the world sees sense ? |
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By *oxy_minxWoman
over a year ago
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"Given that covid is simply a new nasty form of flu. Don't you think we should all just crack on with life. As we do every year.
This is a question about whether we get on with life or not, because covid19 is here to stay.
Just like all the previous strains of coronavirus. It's not a debate about whether it's to be feared about or not.
Personally. I know it's a nasty strain. I m 100 percent satisfied, its pretty much flu re branded.
Can't live our lives in fear.
What will be will be "
Maybe I should have just mentioned all the arseholes that raced to the bars including SFA Footballers that had rules to oblige with but ignore and then caused further lockdowns in our areas!
All because the local men fancied a pint! Or wanted to be the big celebratory about town! What have they done? Put the whole city in fucking jeopardy again, well done them! Hope they are proud, and I hope that satisfies your theories that is is all a total heap of shit! |
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"Given that everything the OP has said is based on false premises... no.
Exactly. WHO have NOT said no deaths from flu this year. Don't know where the OPs source is from...but it's a lie. Pure and simple.
Hahaha you'll find it with the simplest of Google searches.
Try the world health organisations website to begin with.
It's right there for you to see.
Check out the ONS site, the flu figures are there for the UK. I doubt theres zero deaths but I'm not concerned enough to check. I seem to recall in March people quoting moren deaths from flu than Covid.
Not saying your wrong but I'm kinda dubious that you are right and every government on the planet is wrong, but hey ...
Any idea who's going to play you in the movie when the world sees sense ?"
He rejected the ONS above as an invalid source |
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over a year ago
London |
"Given that everything the OP has said is based on false premises... no.
Exactly. WHO have NOT said no deaths from flu this year. Don't know where the OPs source is from...but it's a lie. Pure and simple.
Hahaha you'll find it with the simplest of Google searches.
Try the world health organisations website to begin with.
It's right there for you to see.
Check out the ONS site, the flu figures are there for the UK. I doubt theres zero deaths but I'm not concerned enough to check. I seem to recall in March people quoting moren deaths from flu than Covid.
Not saying your wrong but I'm kinda dubious that you are right and every government on the planet is wrong, but hey ...
Any idea who's going to play you in the movie when the world sees sense ?
He rejected the ONS above as an invalid source"
**..He rejected the ONS above as an invalid source..**
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Yeh, he asked for evidence but doesn't want you to provide evidence from the ONS or mainstream media.
Seems like he is not prepared to learn anything. Even the premise of his original statement is flawed when he refers to covid as 'simply a new nasty form of flu' |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Maybe we should just file covid under “a light sneeze” and crack on?
Meanwhile global warming is a glorious summer and obesity is a jolly restaurant meal."
Suicidal, a little bit glum? |
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"You're 100% satisfied, in your OP, that it's rebranded flu.
Then you concede it's a different class of virus to the flu.
Now you're saying no one has given you any evidence.
Ok.
Your clutching at straws now. You are follow the popular opinion without any facts to back yourself up.
I've already said I didn't write my statement correctly.
For the hard of learning.
Coronavirus is a virus that exits in many forms. Common cold etc.
Some are dormant and yet to be discovered.
Flu is not a coronavirus.
However.
Given that up to 600000 people a year, die from flu. That's out of 1 billion people.
Coronavirus that causes covid19 is still pretty close to the flu mortality rate.
All I'm asking is.
Is it really something to spend the rest of our lives in fear of. Or do we accept its here to stay and crack on.
As predicted. The replies are more concerned with the fact I don't match the opinions of others.
Why would that bother everyone?
What happened to answering the original question.
I've already stated, I'm not aggressive or passive aggressive about it all. I'm open to a change of opinion. When I'm shown the proven, scientific, verified, evidence.
Please. I want to see evidence from sources other than main stream media "
So from your figures stated above, on average 0.6 million die from flu out of 1000 million cases over the whole year, with no lockdown. The WHO figures today state 0.74 million have died from Covid out of 20 million cases and that's in 6 months, with lockdown. So it looks like the mortality rate (deaths divided by cases) is 50 times worse than flu and that is with lockdown measures as well. Yeah looks the same to me  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The regular flu does not put fit health young people with no underlying health conditions in intensive care fighting for their lives!
So given that according to the WHO.
There have been no recorded deaths from flu this year.
Considering there's up to 600 thousand deaths a year caused by flu.
Why are there non
My other point is. Its a scientific Fact that this coronavirus is here to stay.
Do we continue in this vein. Or get on with life?
Evidence to back up my points on request.
Evidence against. Absolutely welcome.
Please keep it civil. Don't insult or mock an opinion. Debate like intelligent, grown up, oooman beens "
I get your point OP things aren’t going back to normal anytime soon so we expected to sit around and rough it out ! Wer at this wat ? 5 months now ! Look I’m still pretty much living my life as normal but still using precautions masks washing hands no kissing dogs etc  |
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By *etsomeMan
over a year ago
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"You're 100% satisfied, in your OP, that it's rebranded flu.
Then you concede it's a different class of virus to the flu.
Now you're saying no one has given you any evidence.
Ok.
Your clutching at straws now. You are follow the popular opinion without any facts to back yourself up.
I've already said I didn't write my statement correctly.
For the hard of learning.
Coronavirus is a virus that exits in many forms. Common cold etc.
Some are dormant and yet to be discovered.
Flu is not a coronavirus.
However.
Given that up to 600000 people a year, die from flu. That's out of 1 billion people.
Coronavirus that causes covid19 is still pretty close to the flu mortality rate.
All I'm asking is.
Is it really something to spend the rest of our lives in fear of. Or do we accept its here to stay and crack on.
As predicted. The replies are more concerned with the fact I don't match the opinions of others.
Why would that bother everyone?
What happened to answering the original question.
I've already stated, I'm not aggressive or passive aggressive about it all. I'm open to a change of opinion. When I'm shown the proven, scientific, verified, evidence.
Please. I want to see evidence from sources other than main stream media
So from your figures stated above, on average 0.6 million die from flu out of 1000 million cases over the whole year, with no lockdown. The WHO figures today state 0.74 million have died from Covid out of 20 million cases and that's in 6 months, with lockdown. So it looks like the mortality rate (deaths divided by cases) is 50 times worse than flu and that is with lockdown measures as well. Yeah looks the same to me "
Sweden? |
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"You're 100% satisfied, in your OP, that it's rebranded flu.
Then you concede it's a different class of virus to the flu.
Now you're saying no one has given you any evidence.
Ok.
Your clutching at straws now. You are follow the popular opinion without any facts to back yourself up.
I've already said I didn't write my statement correctly.
For the hard of learning.
Coronavirus is a virus that exits in many forms. Common cold etc.
Some are dormant and yet to be discovered.
Flu is not a coronavirus.
However.
Given that up to 600000 people a year, die from flu. That's out of 1 billion people.
Coronavirus that causes covid19 is still pretty close to the flu mortality rate.
All I'm asking is.
Is it really something to spend the rest of our lives in fear of. Or do we accept its here to stay and crack on.
As predicted. The replies are more concerned with the fact I don't match the opinions of others.
Why would that bother everyone?
What happened to answering the original question.
I've already stated, I'm not aggressive or passive aggressive about it all. I'm open to a change of opinion. When I'm shown the proven, scientific, verified, evidence.
Please. I want to see evidence from sources other than main stream media
So from your figures stated above, on average 0.6 million die from flu out of 1000 million cases over the whole year, with no lockdown. The WHO figures today state 0.74 million have died from Covid out of 20 million cases and that's in 6 months, with lockdown. So it looks like the mortality rate (deaths divided by cases) is 50 times worse than flu and that is with lockdown measures as well. Yeah looks the same to me
Sweden? "
i wasnt saying the whole world has been in lockdown but a large number of countries have been in lockdown as we still get a 50 times worse mortality rate.
But yes, let's go back to Sweden. Sweden have had 83,000 cases and 5700 deaths. Let's ratio that up to 20 million to compare. The ratios number of deaths equals 1,373,000. So double the number of deaths and hence Sweden gives a mortality rate 100 times worse than flu. This is a country with a population well spread out. Thanks for confirming that it would be worse without lockdown |
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"More Swedish people live in towns than British people do - so this thing about swedes spread out is amyth"
I bow down to your population distribution knowledge. I'm sure it's right. But thanks again for pointing out Sweden would be worse. |
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By *D835Man
over a year ago
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"The countries that have locked down hard like new zealand are still in the position Sweden was in 5 months ago. They are effectively waiting for a vaccine that may never come"
Sweden has a far higher death rate per million compared to New Zealand.
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By *etsomeMan
over a year ago
birmingham |
"The countries that have locked down hard like new zealand are still in the position Sweden was in 5 months ago. They are effectively waiting for a vaccine that may never come
Sweden has a far higher death rate per million compared to New Zealand.
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At the present time yes - but the swedes are free |
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"The countries that have locked down hard like new zealand are still in the position Sweden was in 5 months ago. They are effectively waiting for a vaccine that may never come
Sweden has a far higher death rate per million compared to New Zealand.
At the present time yes - but the swedes are free"
Free from what. Being protected from disease?
Pass. |
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"The countries that have locked down hard like new zealand are still in the position Sweden was in 5 months ago. They are effectively waiting for a vaccine that may never come
Sweden has a far higher death rate per million compared to New Zealand.
At the present time yes - but the swedes are free"
Well if really so convinced that you're being enslaved, you've always got the option of going to Sweden and being free... |
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By *etsomeMan
over a year ago
birmingham |
"The countries that have locked down hard like new zealand are still in the position Sweden was in 5 months ago. They are effectively waiting for a vaccine that may never come
Sweden has a far higher death rate per million compared to New Zealand.
At the present time yes - but the swedes are free
Well if really so convinced that you're being enslaved, you've always got the option of going to Sweden and being free... "
I dont believe i have any god given right to live in another country just because they are handling the bat soup flu better than anyone else |
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By *etsomeMan
over a year ago
birmingham |
"The countries that have locked down hard like new zealand are still in the position Sweden was in 5 months ago. They are effectively waiting for a vaccine that may never come
Sweden has a far higher death rate per million compared to New Zealand.
At the present time yes - but the swedes are free
Free from what. Being protected from disease?
Pass."
https://youtu.be/aGDV69QeDE4
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By *etsomeMan
over a year ago
birmingham |
"The countries that have locked down hard like new zealand are still in the position Sweden was in 5 months ago. They are effectively waiting for a vaccine that may never come
Sweden has a far higher death rate per million compared to New Zealand.
At the present time yes - but the swedes are free
Free from what. Being protected from disease?
Pass."
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. |
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"The countries that have locked down hard like new zealand are still in the position Sweden was in 5 months ago. They are effectively waiting for a vaccine that may never come
Sweden has a far higher death rate per million compared to New Zealand.
At the present time yes - but the swedes are free
Free from what. Being protected from disease?
Pass.
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Very good, you know a quote. More or less. Do you know what it means?
Can you adequately articulate why it applies here? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The countries that have locked down hard like new zealand are still in the position Sweden was in 5 months ago. They are effectively waiting for a vaccine that may never come
Sweden has a far higher death rate per million compared to New Zealand.
At the present time yes - but the swedes are free
Free from what. Being protected from disease?
Pass.
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
If we are quoting...
“ Whoever saves one life saves the world entire.” |
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By *etsomeMan
over a year ago
birmingham |
"The countries that have locked down hard like new zealand are still in the position Sweden was in 5 months ago. They are effectively waiting for a vaccine that may never come
Sweden has a far higher death rate per million compared to New Zealand.
At the present time yes - but the swedes are free
Free from what. Being protected from disease?
Pass.
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
If we are quoting...
“ Whoever saves one life saves the world entire.”"
Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster |
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"https://www.who.int/influenza/surveillance_monitoring/updates/latest_update_GIP_surveillance/en/
Not sure if I'm allowed to post links.
Please remove whith my apologies if so "
An extract from the report on the above link:
"In the temperate zone of the northern hemisphere, influenza activity remained at inter-seasonal levels." |
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"https://www.who.int/influenza/surveillance_monitoring/updates/latest_update_GIP_surveillance/en/
Not sure if I'm allowed to post links.
Please remove whith my apologies if so
An extract from the report on the above link:
"In the temperate zone of the northern hemisphere,
influenza activity remained at inter-seasonal levels.""
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"The countries that have locked down hard like new zealand are still in the position Sweden was in 5 months ago. They are effectively waiting for a vaccine that may never come
Sweden has a far higher death rate per million compared to New Zealand.
At the present time yes - but the swedes are free
Well if really so convinced that you're being enslaved, you've always got the option of going to Sweden and being free...
I dont believe i have any god given right to live in another country just because they are handling the bat soup flu better than anyone else"
Just shown above that they are double the mortality rate when compared to world average |
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"The countries that have locked down hard like new zealand are still in the position Sweden was in 5 months ago. They are effectively waiting for a vaccine that may never come
Sweden has a far higher death rate per million compared to New Zealand.
At the present time yes - but the swedes are free
Free from what. Being protected from disease?
Pass.
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
If we are quoting...
“ Whoever saves one life saves the world entire.”
Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster"
Taking precautions to prevent disease. Roar |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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So. It's obvious I shouldn't have expressed an opinion. Plenty of folk telling me I'm wrong and rolling their eyes, despite providing zero scientific, peer reviewed facts that counter my opinion, so I'll repeat the original question.
In simpler terms.
Do we get on with life. Seeing as this strain is here to stay.
Or
Do we continue to live in fear. Destroying businesses, jobs, educations. Not to mention relinquish our basic human freedoms every time it rears its ugly head.
That's all I ever asked.
Also I didn't realise that being called a social warrior was such a derogatory thing to say.
But then, social warriors would likely think that anyway |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
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"So. It's obvious I shouldn't have expressed an opinion. Plenty of folk telling me I'm wrong and rolling their eyes, despite providing zero scientific, peer reviewed facts that counter my opinion, so I'll repeat the original question.
In simpler terms.
Do we get on with life. Seeing as this strain is here to stay.
Or
Do we continue to live in fear. Destroying businesses, jobs, educations. Not to mention relinquish our basic human freedoms every time it rears its ugly head.
That's all I ever asked.
Also I didn't realise that being called a social warrior was such a derogatory thing to say.
But then, social warriors would likely think that anyway "
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"The countries that have locked down hard like new zealand are still in the position Sweden was in 5 months ago. They are effectively waiting for a vaccine that may never come
Sweden has a far higher death rate per million compared to New Zealand.
At the present time yes - but the swedes are free"
Swedes have common sense |
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