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By *usybee73 OP Man
over a year ago
in the sticks |
In the media there are obviously reports of cases and deaths per day/week, but why don't they say the average age of deaths? Or the survival rate?
Asked our local mp about the average age of deaths before the country was put into lockdown, took over a week to get an answer as public health England didn't want to publish for some reason ... |
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By *usybee73 OP Man
over a year ago
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"Do you mean the survival rate of people in hospital with Covid or in the community too ?"
both, you never here any news platform saying any survival rates, which i find worryingly for various reasons, mainly ... why not? give the truth and keep the public informed rather then judgement day scenarios |
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By *usybee73 OP Man
over a year ago
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"Its easily gained information, PHE have updated their statistics up to the 8th November, which splits deaths into region and age, a quick google will suffice "
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19roundup/2020-03-26
6000 deaths from under 65s, which doesnt say about underlying conditions ... but never gets reported on mainstream media, would that effect peoples judgement? |
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Asked our local mp about the average age of deaths before the country was put into lockdown, took over a week to get an answer as public health England didn't want to publish for some reason ..."
Could be that PHE were using their resources on more important things... |
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By *usybee73 OP Man
over a year ago
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Asked our local mp about the average age of deaths before the country was put into lockdown, took over a week to get an answer as public health England didn't want to publish for some reason ...
Could be that PHE were using their resources on more important things..."
as in keeping records of public health  |
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Asked our local mp about the average age of deaths before the country was put into lockdown, took over a week to get an answer as public health England didn't want to publish for some reason ...
Could be that PHE were using their resources on more important things...
as in keeping records of public health "
Or managing an ongoing crisis? Which might take priority? |
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"Seems strange but the symptoms for bubonic plague is identical as Covid what are they hiding??"
Ehhhhhhh???
The ONLY similar symptom between the two is persistent headache.
Other then that I'm sure high fever causing impaired vision, excessive fatigue, swollen lymph nodes, bleeding organs and blackening of infected lymph areas aren't associated in any possible way with covid-19.
Check your history, black death is absolutely nothing similar to covid |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"If you are outside the normal range for road accidents do you still look before crossing the road
Whose more likely to die on the roads? 85 year old or 25 year old Such a great point "
Whats the R value of a RTA? |
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"If you are outside the normal range for road accidents do you still look before crossing the road "
I'm outside the average age for being murdered, I'm safe from murder and society should not worry about murderers. |
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"If you are outside the normal range for road accidents do you still look before crossing the road
I'm outside the average age for being murdered, I'm safe from murder and society should not worry about murderers."
Popcorn out. |
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"If you are outside the normal range for road accidents do you still look before crossing the road
I'm outside the average age for being murdered, I'm safe from murder and society should not worry about murderers.
Popcorn out."
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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago
ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL |
Yes they should say the survival rate of people who have had it. The figures would be more balanced that way and people would have accurate information. By only publishing death rates they are scaring people witless. |
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"If you are outside the normal range for road accidents do you still look before crossing the road
I'm outside the average age for being murdered, I'm safe from murder and society should not worry about murderers.
Popcorn out."
Nothing to see here...just more attempts to deflect from the issue of the fact we are all at risk.
Sad really |
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over a year ago
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"If you are outside the normal range for road accidents do you still look before crossing the road
I'm outside the average age for being murdered, I'm safe from murder and society should not worry about murderers.
Popcorn out."
I'll bet you haven't got popcorn |
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"In the media there are obviously reports of cases and deaths per day/week, but why don't they say the average age of deaths? Or the survival rate?
Asked our local mp about the average age of deaths before the country was put into lockdown, took over a week to get an answer as public health England didn't want to publish for some reason ..."
The data is highly inaccurate, the death figures include people for whom the virus had no bearing on their deaths, but doesn't include others whose death may have been caused by the virus but they'd never had a test.
The new infection figures are more accurate, but not representative due to the ever changing nature of testing. Obviously the more testing done, the more positive results will be found. A more useful measure of the infection rate is the ratio of positive tests to tests done, but that's not a figure that's published.
Cal |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
bournemouth |
"If you are outside the normal range for road accidents do you still look before crossing the road
I'm outside the average age for being murdered, I'm safe from murder and society should not worry about murderers.
Popcorn out.
Nothing to see here...just more attempts to deflect from the issue of the fact we are all at risk.
Sad really "
We are all at risk of dying from the moment we are conceived, we now know where the greatest risk is from covid and for those under 65 it's small, for those in good health and not fat its tiny, it's still there but tiny,in 2016 300 people died of choking but we dont stop eating, everything is relative. |
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"This just another repackaging of it "only affects the old and those with underlying health conditions" wrapped in a inference the statistics are being used to mislead. Same shit, different day."
And dont have the balls to say what they really mean. |
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"This just another repackaging of it "only affects the old and those with underlying health conditions" wrapped in a inference the statistics are being used to mislead. Same shit, different day.
And dont have the balls to say what they really mean."
And when people reply, they say we're inferring it and how dare we think they're mean. |
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"This just another repackaging of it "only affects the old and those with underlying health conditions" wrapped in a inference the statistics are being used to mislead. Same shit, different day.
And dont have the balls to say what they really mean.
And when people reply, they say we're inferring it and how dare we think they're mean."
Exactly.
And its the same posters over and over again
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"This just another repackaging of it "only affects the old and those with underlying health conditions" wrapped in a inference the statistics are being used to mislead. Same shit, different day.
And dont have the balls to say what they really mean.
And when people reply, they say we're inferring it and how dare we think they're mean.
Exactly.
And its the same posters over and over again
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Yes. Reworded in slightly different ways over and over again. Yes, we get what you're saying, no it isn't different after you consult a thesaurus. |
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over a year ago
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"In the media there are obviously reports of cases and deaths per day/week, but why don't they say the average age of deaths? Or the survival rate?
Asked our local mp about the average age of deaths before the country was put into lockdown, took over a week to get an answer as public health England didn't want to publish for some reason ...
The data is highly inaccurate, the death figures include people for whom the virus had no bearing on their deaths, but doesn't include others whose death may have been caused by the virus but they'd never had a test.
The new infection figures are more accurate, but not representative due to the ever changing nature of testing. Obviously the more testing done, the more positive results will be found. A more useful measure of the infection rate is the ratio of positive tests to tests done, but that's not a figure that's published.
Cal"
Yes it is, the coronavirus page on gov.uk has the number of tests processed and the number of positive cases every day. Not in ratio form, but all you need is a calculator |
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"If you are outside the normal range for road accidents do you still look before crossing the road
I'm outside the average age for being murdered, I'm safe from murder and society should not worry about murderers.
Popcorn out.
I'll bet you haven't got popcorn"
I’ll bet you’re wrong, I live in a house with 4 other females we have loads of it. |
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"In the media there are obviously reports of cases and deaths per day/week, but why don't they say the average age of deaths? Or the survival rate?
Asked our local mp about the average age of deaths before the country was put into lockdown, took over a week to get an answer as public health England didn't want to publish for some reason ..."
All well published  |
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"This just another repackaging of it "only affects the old and those with underlying health conditions" wrapped in a inference the statistics are being used to mislead. Same shit, different day.
And dont have the balls to say what they really mean."
Exactly and also they dont seem to care if they get it mildly or non symptomatic and pass it on to elderly ?? |
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"This just another repackaging of it "only affects the old and those with underlying health conditions" wrapped in a inference the statistics are being used to mislead. Same shit, different day.
And dont have the balls to say what they really mean.
Exactly and also they dont seem to care if they get it mildly or non symptomatic and pass it on to elderly ??"
Also they ignore any suggestion that bad things can happen other than dying. Breathing difficulty, lung transplant, long Covid, etc.
They exaggerate or lie about vaccine risk
They exaggerate or lie about testing
They exaggerate or lie about other harms suffered
They ignore the harms of an unchecked raging pandemic
It's almost as if they have an agenda not supported by evidence. Huh. Who knew |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"This just another repackaging of it "only affects the old and those with underlying health conditions" wrapped in a inference the statistics are being used to mislead. Same shit, different day.
And dont have the balls to say what they really mean.
And when people reply, they say we're inferring it and how dare we think they're mean.
Exactly.
And its the same posters over and over again
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Maybe it's just me but it always sounds a bit final solutionish. |
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"This just another repackaging of it "only affects the old and those with underlying health conditions" wrapped in a inference the statistics are being used to mislead. Same shit, different day.
And dont have the balls to say what they really mean.
And when people reply, they say we're inferring it and how dare we think they're mean.
Exactly.
And its the same posters over and over again
Maybe it's just me but it always sounds a bit final solutionish. "
It's not very civilised, at least. I'll be fine so the protections are unnecessary. |
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"This just another repackaging of it "only affects the old and those with underlying health conditions" wrapped in a inference the statistics are being used to mislead. Same shit, different day.
And dont have the balls to say what they really mean.
Exactly and also they dont seem to care if they get it mildly or non symptomatic and pass it on to elderly ??
Also they ignore any suggestion that bad things can happen other than dying. Breathing difficulty, lung transplant, long Covid, etc.
They exaggerate or lie about vaccine risk
They exaggerate or lie about testing
They exaggerate or lie about other harms suffered
They ignore the harms of an unchecked raging pandemic
It's almost as if they have an agenda not supported by evidence. Huh. Who knew "
Usually based around Dave on YouTube who knows it’s all a big conspiracy to make us conform to something, but has no evidence to substantiate his claim, other than other YouTube videos  |
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"This just another repackaging of it "only affects the old and those with underlying health conditions" wrapped in a inference the statistics are being used to mislead. Same shit, different day.
And dont have the balls to say what they really mean.
Exactly and also they dont seem to care if they get it mildly or non symptomatic and pass it on to elderly ??
Also they ignore any suggestion that bad things can happen other than dying. Breathing difficulty, lung transplant, long Covid, etc.
They exaggerate or lie about vaccine risk
They exaggerate or lie about testing
They exaggerate or lie about other harms suffered
They ignore the harms of an unchecked raging pandemic
It's almost as if they have an agenda not supported by evidence. Huh. Who knew
Usually based around Dave on YouTube who knows it’s all a big conspiracy to make us conform to something, but has no evidence to substantiate his claim, other than other YouTube videos "
Experts? Who needs experts? This dude in crusty boxers agrees with me. |
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From the ONS for June only, deaths attributed to covid in the 15-64 age bracket is 8.1% of the total deaths for that age group. 65-74 its 5.3% and 75-84 its 7.6%. You need total deaths by age group to calculate the numbers which are probably in the report too but as a percentage no one is invincible. |
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"In the media there are obviously reports of cases and deaths per day/week, but why don't they say the average age of deaths? Or the survival rate?
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Readily available information on the Office for National Statistics re ages
Overall infection fatality rate is around 99.75% (see Infection fatality rate of COVID-19 inferred from
seroprevalence data by John Ioannidis on the WHO website). Which shows how bizarre the whole hysteria is
Also excellent statistics on the Euromomo website )supported by WHO). I suggest that you check out the z scores by country (Z scores are a standardised mortality). They show very little unusual has been happening for weeks, |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
bournemouth |
"What is the average age of those dying with covid and how many under 60's have died with it ?
Why dont you say what you actually mean?"
Says the man who recently claimed he answered every question, oh dear go on give it a go answer the question you know you want to. |
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"This just another repackaging of it "only affects the old and those with underlying health conditions" wrapped in a inference the statistics are being used to mislead. Same shit, different day.
And dont have the balls to say what they really mean.
Exactly and also they dont seem to care if they get it mildly or non symptomatic and pass it on to elderly ??
Also they ignore any suggestion that bad things can happen other than dying. Breathing difficulty, lung transplant, long Covid, etc.
They exaggerate or lie about vaccine risk
They exaggerate or lie about testing
They exaggerate or lie about other harms suffered
They ignore the harms of an unchecked raging pandemic
It's almost as if they have an agenda not supported by evidence. Huh. Who knew "
... As I was saying |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
bournemouth |
"This just another repackaging of it "only affects the old and those with underlying health conditions" wrapped in a inference the statistics are being used to mislead. Same shit, different day.
And dont have the balls to say what they really mean.
Exactly and also they dont seem to care if they get it mildly or non symptomatic and pass it on to elderly ??
Also they ignore any suggestion that bad things can happen other than dying. Breathing difficulty, lung transplant, long Covid, etc.
They exaggerate or lie about vaccine risk
They exaggerate or lie about testing
They exaggerate or lie about other harms suffered
They ignore the harms of an unchecked raging pandemic
It's almost as if they have an agenda not supported by evidence. Huh. Who knew
... As I was saying "
So what is the average age of those dying with covid and how many under 60's have died with it, simple question |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Should read Overall infection survival rate is around 99.75%! Big difference Apologies
I’m glad you corrected that before Dave on you tube got a chance to see it "
So there is no credible information on YouTube? |
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"This just another repackaging of it "only affects the old and those with underlying health conditions" wrapped in a inference the statistics are being used to mislead. Same shit, different day.
And dont have the balls to say what they really mean.
Exactly and also they dont seem to care if they get it mildly or non symptomatic and pass it on to elderly ??
Also they ignore any suggestion that bad things can happen other than dying. Breathing difficulty, lung transplant, long Covid, etc.
They exaggerate or lie about vaccine risk
They exaggerate or lie about testing
They exaggerate or lie about other harms suffered
They ignore the harms of an unchecked raging pandemic
It's almost as if they have an agenda not supported by evidence. Huh. Who knew
... As I was saying
So what is the average age of those dying with covid and how many under 60's have died with it, simple question"
I don't subscribe to your agenda and am not playing your game. Simple answer. |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"This just another repackaging of it "only affects the old and those with underlying health conditions" wrapped in a inference the statistics are being used to mislead. Same shit, different day.
And dont have the balls to say what they really mean.
Exactly and also they dont seem to care if they get it mildly or non symptomatic and pass it on to elderly ??
Also they ignore any suggestion that bad things can happen other than dying. Breathing difficulty, lung transplant, long Covid, etc.
They exaggerate or lie about vaccine risk
They exaggerate or lie about testing
They exaggerate or lie about other harms suffered
They ignore the harms of an unchecked raging pandemic
It's almost as if they have an agenda not supported by evidence. Huh. Who knew
... As I was saying
So what is the average age of those dying with covid and how many under 60's have died with it, simple question
I don't subscribe to your agenda and am not playing your game. Simple answer."
What agenda ?
It's a very simple FACT the average age is 82, that's a tiny bit higher than normal average of death, the last I saw 2500 under 60's had died with covid and the overwhelming number of those had other issues.
The simple fact is the vast majority of those who die with covid are old, there is no agenda there it's a very simple fact.
Should we take it lightly no of course not, should we take precautions to keep safe the vulnerable absolutely
Should we be overtaken with fear no. |
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"This just another repackaging of it "only affects the old and those with underlying health conditions" wrapped in a inference the statistics are being used to mislead. Same shit, different day.
And dont have the balls to say what they really mean.
Exactly and also they dont seem to care if they get it mildly or non symptomatic and pass it on to elderly ??
Also they ignore any suggestion that bad things can happen other than dying. Breathing difficulty, lung transplant, long Covid, etc.
They exaggerate or lie about vaccine risk
They exaggerate or lie about testing
They exaggerate or lie about other harms suffered
They ignore the harms of an unchecked raging pandemic
It's almost as if they have an agenda not supported by evidence. Huh. Who knew
... As I was saying
So what is the average age of those dying with covid and how many under 60's have died with it, simple question
I don't subscribe to your agenda and am not playing your game. Simple answer.
What agenda ?
It's a very simple FACT the average age is 82, that's a tiny bit higher than normal average of death, the last I saw 2500 under 60's had died with covid and the overwhelming number of those had other issues.
The simple fact is the vast majority of those who die with covid are old, there is no agenda there it's a very simple fact.
Should we take it lightly no of course not, should we take precautions to keep safe the vulnerable absolutely
Should we be overtaken with fear no."
Your agenda was simple, she couldn't answer you.... Simples |
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"Should read Overall infection survival rate is around 99.75%! Big difference Apologies
I’m glad you corrected that before Dave on you tube got a chance to see it
So there is no credible information on YouTube? "
There very well MAYBE, maybe being the point, with out proper reasoning or research it can’t be relied upon. |
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"This just another repackaging of it "only affects the old and those with underlying health conditions" wrapped in a inference the statistics are being used to mislead. Same shit, different day.
And dont have the balls to say what they really mean.
Exactly and also they dont seem to care if they get it mildly or non symptomatic and pass it on to elderly ??
Also they ignore any suggestion that bad things can happen other than dying. Breathing difficulty, lung transplant, long Covid, etc.
They exaggerate or lie about vaccine risk
They exaggerate or lie about testing
They exaggerate or lie about other harms suffered
They ignore the harms of an unchecked raging pandemic
It's almost as if they have an agenda not supported by evidence. Huh. Who knew
... As I was saying
So what is the average age of those dying with covid and how many under 60's have died with it, simple question
I don't subscribe to your agenda and am not playing your game. Simple answer.
What agenda ?
It's a very simple FACT the average age is 82, that's a tiny bit higher than normal average of death, the last I saw 2500 under 60's had died with covid and the overwhelming number of those had other issues.
The simple fact is the vast majority of those who die with covid are old, there is no agenda there it's a very simple fact.
Should we take it lightly no of course not, should we take precautions to keep safe the vulnerable absolutely
Should we be overtaken with fear no."
Ok. What about morbidity?
How do we protect the old and vulnerable without shutting them up forever? Isn't that cruel?
Does shutting people off forever even work?
What about morbidity?
And since not one of you deniers has answered the question even once, I'll repeat it again. What about morbidity? |
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"This just another repackaging of it "only affects the old and those with underlying health conditions" wrapped in a inference the statistics are being used to mislead. Same shit, different day.
And dont have the balls to say what they really mean.
Exactly and also they dont seem to care if they get it mildly or non symptomatic and pass it on to elderly ??
Also they ignore any suggestion that bad things can happen other than dying. Breathing difficulty, lung transplant, long Covid, etc.
They exaggerate or lie about vaccine risk
They exaggerate or lie about testing
They exaggerate or lie about other harms suffered
They ignore the harms of an unchecked raging pandemic
It's almost as if they have an agenda not supported by evidence. Huh. Who knew
... As I was saying
So what is the average age of those dying with covid and how many under 60's have died with it, simple question
I don't subscribe to your agenda and am not playing your game. Simple answer.
What agenda ?
It's a very simple FACT the average age is 82, that's a tiny bit higher than normal average of death, the last I saw 2500 under 60's had died with covid and the overwhelming number of those had other issues.
The simple fact is the vast majority of those who die with covid are old, there is no agenda there it's a very simple fact.
Should we take it lightly no of course not, should we take precautions to keep safe the vulnerable absolutely
Should we be overtaken with fear no.
Your agenda was simple, she couldn't answer you.... Simples"
What about morbidity? |
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"Should read Overall infection survival rate is around 99.75%! Big difference Apologies
I’m glad you corrected that before Dave on you tube got a chance to see it
So there is no credible information on YouTube?
There very well MAYBE, maybe being the point, with out proper reasoning or research it can’t be relied upon."
Are you aware that the CDC have channel on YouTube? Its all about covid and all relevant information,I suppose they're all called dave at the CDC |
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"This just another repackaging of it "only affects the old and those with underlying health conditions" wrapped in a inference the statistics are being used to mislead. Same shit, different day.
And dont have the balls to say what they really mean.
Exactly and also they dont seem to care if they get it mildly or non symptomatic and pass it on to elderly ??
Also they ignore any suggestion that bad things can happen other than dying. Breathing difficulty, lung transplant, long Covid, etc.
They exaggerate or lie about vaccine risk
They exaggerate or lie about testing
They exaggerate or lie about other harms suffered
They ignore the harms of an unchecked raging pandemic
It's almost as if they have an agenda not supported by evidence. Huh. Who knew
... As I was saying
So what is the average age of those dying with covid and how many under 60's have died with it, simple question
I don't subscribe to your agenda and am not playing your game. Simple answer.
What agenda ?
It's a very simple FACT the average age is 82, that's a tiny bit higher than normal average of death, the last I saw 2500 under 60's had died with covid and the overwhelming number of those had other issues.
The simple fact is the vast majority of those who die with covid are old, there is no agenda there it's a very simple fact.
Should we take it lightly no of course not, should we take precautions to keep safe the vulnerable absolutely
Should we be overtaken with fear no.
Your agenda was simple, she couldn't answer you.... Simples
What about morbidity?"
What about it? Why answer a question with a question |
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"Should read Overall infection survival rate is around 99.75%! Big difference Apologies
I’m glad you corrected that before Dave on you tube got a chance to see it
So there is no credible information on YouTube?
There very well MAYBE, maybe being the point, with out proper reasoning or research it can’t be relied upon.
Are you aware that the CDC have channel on YouTube? Its all about covid and all relevant information,I suppose they're all called dave at the CDC"
So all sources on a platform are equally valid?
Or maybe just maybe one can check credentials... |
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"Should read Overall infection survival rate is around 99.75%! Big difference Apologies
I’m glad you corrected that before Dave on you tube got a chance to see it
So there is no credible information on YouTube?
There very well MAYBE, maybe being the point, with out proper reasoning or research it can’t be relied upon.
Are you aware that the CDC have channel on YouTube? Its all about covid and all relevant information,I suppose they're all called dave at the CDC
So all sources on a platform are equally valid?
Or maybe just maybe one can check credentials..."
You want to check the CDCs credentials , your having a laugh you are |
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"This just another repackaging of it "only affects the old and those with underlying health conditions" wrapped in a inference the statistics are being used to mislead. Same shit, different day.
And dont have the balls to say what they really mean.
Exactly and also they dont seem to care if they get it mildly or non symptomatic and pass it on to elderly ??
Also they ignore any suggestion that bad things can happen other than dying. Breathing difficulty, lung transplant, long Covid, etc.
They exaggerate or lie about vaccine risk
They exaggerate or lie about testing
They exaggerate or lie about other harms suffered
They ignore the harms of an unchecked raging pandemic
It's almost as if they have an agenda not supported by evidence. Huh. Who knew
... As I was saying
So what is the average age of those dying with covid and how many under 60's have died with it, simple question
I don't subscribe to your agenda and am not playing your game. Simple answer.
What agenda ?
It's a very simple FACT the average age is 82, that's a tiny bit higher than normal average of death, the last I saw 2500 under 60's had died with covid and the overwhelming number of those had other issues.
The simple fact is the vast majority of those who die with covid are old, there is no agenda there it's a very simple fact.
Should we take it lightly no of course not, should we take precautions to keep safe the vulnerable absolutely
Should we be overtaken with fear no.
Your agenda was simple, she couldn't answer you.... Simples
What about morbidity?
What about it? Why answer a question with a question"
Because without complete data we can't make an adequate risk assessment, and it seems that certain subsets want to make risk evaluation with only a tiny fraction of the potential information and risk available.
I'd hate someone to think Covid only hurts old dears and end up needing a lung transplant. |
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"Should read Overall infection survival rate is around 99.75%! Big difference Apologies
I’m glad you corrected that before Dave on you tube got a chance to see it
So there is no credible information on YouTube?
There very well MAYBE, maybe being the point, with out proper reasoning or research it can’t be relied upon.
Are you aware that the CDC have channel on YouTube? Its all about covid and all relevant information,I suppose they're all called dave at the CDC
So all sources on a platform are equally valid?
Or maybe just maybe one can check credentials..."
I was just about to say that. I’m sure the cdc et al have credible facts, but Dave who just likes followers possibly doesn’t. |
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"Should read Overall infection survival rate is around 99.75%! Big difference Apologies
I’m glad you corrected that before Dave on you tube got a chance to see it
So there is no credible information on YouTube?
There very well MAYBE, maybe being the point, with out proper reasoning or research it can’t be relied upon.
Are you aware that the CDC have channel on YouTube? Its all about covid and all relevant information,I suppose they're all called dave at the CDC
So all sources on a platform are equally valid?
Or maybe just maybe one can check credentials...
You want to check the CDCs credentials , your having a laugh you are"
That's kind of how source evaluation works. It's not "YouTube has good shit I trust ManInPants@MomsBasement" |
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"What is the average age of those dying with covid and how many under 60's have died with it ?
Why dont you say what you actually mean?
Says the man who recently claimed he answered every question, oh dear go on give it a go answer the question you know you want to."
What question?
What are you on about?
I asked you a question |
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"Should read Overall infection survival rate is around 99.75%! Big difference Apologies
I’m glad you corrected that before Dave on you tube got a chance to see it
So there is no credible information on YouTube?
There very well MAYBE, maybe being the point, with out proper reasoning or research it can’t be relied upon.
Are you aware that the CDC have channel on YouTube? Its all about covid and all relevant information,I suppose they're all called dave at the CDC
So all sources on a platform are equally valid?
Or maybe just maybe one can check credentials...
You want to check the CDCs credentials , your having a laugh you are
That's kind of how source evaluation works. It's not "YouTube has good shit I trust ManInPants@MomsBasement""
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"This just another repackaging of it "only affects the old and those with underlying health conditions" wrapped in a inference the statistics are being used to mislead. Same shit, different day.
And dont have the balls to say what they really mean.
Exactly and also they dont seem to care if they get it mildly or non symptomatic and pass it on to elderly ??
Also they ignore any suggestion that bad things can happen other than dying. Breathing difficulty, lung transplant, long Covid, etc.
They exaggerate or lie about vaccine risk
They exaggerate or lie about testing
They exaggerate or lie about other harms suffered
They ignore the harms of an unchecked raging pandemic
It's almost as if they have an agenda not supported by evidence. Huh. Who knew
... As I was saying
So what is the average age of those dying with covid and how many under 60's have died with it, simple question
I don't subscribe to your agenda and am not playing your game. Simple answer.
What agenda ?
It's a very simple FACT the average age is 82, that's a tiny bit higher than normal average of death, the last I saw 2500 under 60's had died with covid and the overwhelming number of those had other issues.
The simple fact is the vast majority of those who die with covid are old, there is no agenda there it's a very simple fact.
Should we take it lightly no of course not, should we take precautions to keep safe the vulnerable absolutely
Should we be overtaken with fear no.
Your agenda was simple, she couldn't answer you.... Simples
What about morbidity?
What about it? Why answer a question with a question
Because without complete data we can't make an adequate risk assessment, and it seems that certain subsets want to make risk evaluation with only a tiny fraction of the potential information and risk available.
I'd hate someone to think Covid only hurts old dears and end up needing a lung transplant."
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"Should read Overall infection survival rate is around 99.75%! Big difference Apologies
I’m glad you corrected that before Dave on you tube got a chance to see it
So there is no credible information on YouTube?
There very well MAYBE, maybe being the point, with out proper reasoning or research it can’t be relied upon.
Are you aware that the CDC have channel on YouTube? Its all about covid and all relevant information,I suppose they're all called dave at the CDC
So all sources on a platform are equally valid?
Or maybe just maybe one can check credentials...
I was just about to say that. I’m sure the cdc et al have credible facts, but Dave who just likes followers possibly doesn’t."
But this is why I didn't answer earlier. The CDC is on YouTube therefore all YouTube videos are public health experts. My question is bulletproof evidence that this is a scamdemic and we're all fine.
Yeah... More likely it's that people don't know how to find good sources or argue honestly. |
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"This just another repackaging of it "only affects the old and those with underlying health conditions" wrapped in a inference the statistics are being used to mislead. Same shit, different day.
And dont have the balls to say what they really mean.
Exactly and also they dont seem to care if they get it mildly or non symptomatic and pass it on to elderly ??
Also they ignore any suggestion that bad things can happen other than dying. Breathing difficulty, lung transplant, long Covid, etc.
They exaggerate or lie about vaccine risk
They exaggerate or lie about testing
They exaggerate or lie about other harms suffered
They ignore the harms of an unchecked raging pandemic
It's almost as if they have an agenda not supported by evidence. Huh. Who knew
... As I was saying
So what is the average age of those dying with covid and how many under 60's have died with it, simple question
I don't subscribe to your agenda and am not playing your game. Simple answer.
What agenda ?
It's a very simple FACT the average age is 82, that's a tiny bit higher than normal average of death, the last I saw 2500 under 60's had died with covid and the overwhelming number of those had other issues.
The simple fact is the vast majority of those who die with covid are old, there is no agenda there it's a very simple fact.
Should we take it lightly no of course not, should we take precautions to keep safe the vulnerable absolutely
Should we be overtaken with fear no.
Your agenda was simple, she couldn't answer you.... Simples
What about morbidity?
What about it? Why answer a question with a question
Because without complete data we can't make an adequate risk assessment, and it seems that certain subsets want to make risk evaluation with only a tiny fraction of the potential information and risk available.
I'd hate someone to think Covid only hurts old dears and end up needing a lung transplant.
Your quick enough to jump into plenty of covid debates, Where's your credentials? "
Not a fucking thing.
I've got sources, though, who do.
Because in the credentials I do have, I learned how to find reliable sources |
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"In the media there are obviously reports of cases and deaths per day/week, but why don't they say the average age of deaths? Or the survival rate?
Asked our local mp about the average age of deaths before the country was put into lockdown, took over a week to get an answer as public health England didn't want to publish for some reason ..."
I’m confused as to what benefit you think there is to publishing the numbers of people who don’t die from an illness on a daily basis?
About 66,000,000 people survived every illness yesterday, in the UK, has that made you feel any better? |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"This just another repackaging of it "only affects the old and those with underlying health conditions" wrapped in a inference the statistics are being used to mislead. Same shit, different day.
And dont have the balls to say what they really mean.
Exactly and also they dont seem to care if they get it mildly or non symptomatic and pass it on to elderly ??
Also they ignore any suggestion that bad things can happen other than dying. Breathing difficulty, lung transplant, long Covid, etc.
They exaggerate or lie about vaccine risk
They exaggerate or lie about testing
They exaggerate or lie about other harms suffered
They ignore the harms of an unchecked raging pandemic
It's almost as if they have an agenda not supported by evidence. Huh. Who knew
... As I was saying
So what is the average age of those dying with covid and how many under 60's have died with it, simple question
I don't subscribe to your agenda and am not playing your game. Simple answer.
What agenda ?
It's a very simple FACT the average age is 82, that's a tiny bit higher than normal average of death, the last I saw 2500 under 60's had died with covid and the overwhelming number of those had other issues.
The simple fact is the vast majority of those who die with covid are old, there is no agenda there it's a very simple fact.
Should we take it lightly no of course not, should we take precautions to keep safe the vulnerable absolutely
Should we be overtaken with fear no.
Ok. What about morbidity?
How do we protect the old and vulnerable without shutting them up forever? Isn't that cruel?
Does shutting people off forever even work?
What about morbidity?
And since not one of you deniers has answered the question even once, I'll repeat it again. What about morbidity?"
Does shutting people up forever work, no of course we cant and mustn't do that, but until we reach herd immunity it's the safest way for them, the more young healthy people catch it and recover the less chance a vulnerable person has in then coming into contact with an infected person, add in the vaccine coming in the next couple of months then it will be safer for them, have you actually asked many older people if they want locking away or would they rather get on with their life and accept that risk.
As for morbidity, what are the numbers who have had issues for more than say 6 months ? Covid is not the only virus or disease that can leave people with symptoms for an extended period, that in no way dismisses their problems. |
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"Should read Overall infection survival rate is around 99.75%! Big difference Apologies
I’m glad you corrected that before Dave on you tube got a chance to see it
So there is no credible information on YouTube?
There very well MAYBE, maybe being the point, with out proper reasoning or research it can’t be relied upon.
Are you aware that the CDC have channel on YouTube? Its all about covid and all relevant information,I suppose they're all called dave at the CDC
So all sources on a platform are equally valid?
Or maybe just maybe one can check credentials...
I was just about to say that. I’m sure the cdc et al have credible facts, but Dave who just likes followers possibly doesn’t."
Just who is dave anyway |
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"This just another repackaging of it "only affects the old and those with underlying health conditions" wrapped in a inference the statistics are being used to mislead. Same shit, different day.
And dont have the balls to say what they really mean.
Exactly and also they dont seem to care if they get it mildly or non symptomatic and pass it on to elderly ??
Also they ignore any suggestion that bad things can happen other than dying. Breathing difficulty, lung transplant, long Covid, etc.
They exaggerate or lie about vaccine risk
They exaggerate or lie about testing
They exaggerate or lie about other harms suffered
They ignore the harms of an unchecked raging pandemic
It's almost as if they have an agenda not supported by evidence. Huh. Who knew
... As I was saying
So what is the average age of those dying with covid and how many under 60's have died with it, simple question
I don't subscribe to your agenda and am not playing your game. Simple answer.
What agenda ?
It's a very simple FACT the average age is 82, that's a tiny bit higher than normal average of death, the last I saw 2500 under 60's had died with covid and the overwhelming number of those had other issues.
The simple fact is the vast majority of those who die with covid are old, there is no agenda there it's a very simple fact.
Should we take it lightly no of course not, should we take precautions to keep safe the vulnerable absolutely
Should we be overtaken with fear no.
Ok. What about morbidity?
How do we protect the old and vulnerable without shutting them up forever? Isn't that cruel?
Does shutting people off forever even work?
What about morbidity?
And since not one of you deniers has answered the question even once, I'll repeat it again. What about morbidity?
Does shutting people up forever work, no of course we cant and mustn't do that, but until we reach herd immunity it's the safest way for them, the more young healthy people catch it and recover the less chance a vulnerable person has in then coming into contact with an infected person, add in the vaccine coming in the next couple of months then it will be safer for them, have you actually asked many older people if they want locking away or would they rather get on with their life and accept that risk.
As for morbidity, what are the numbers who have had issues for more than say 6 months ? Covid is not the only virus or disease that can leave people with symptoms for an extended period, that in no way dismisses their problems. "
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"Should read Overall infection survival rate is around 99.75%! Big difference Apologies
I’m glad you corrected that before Dave on you tube got a chance to see it
So there is no credible information on YouTube?
There very well MAYBE, maybe being the point, with out proper reasoning or research it can’t be relied upon.
Are you aware that the CDC have channel on YouTube? Its all about covid and all relevant information,I suppose they're all called dave at the CDC
So all sources on a platform are equally valid?
Or maybe just maybe one can check credentials...
I was just about to say that. I’m sure the cdc et al have credible facts, but Dave who just likes followers possibly doesn’t.
But this is why I didn't answer earlier. The CDC is on YouTube therefore all YouTube videos are public health experts. My question is bulletproof evidence that this is a scamdemic and we're all fine.
Yeah... More likely it's that people don't know how to find good sources or argue honestly."
That’s it exactly, I know nothing about geology, but I’m sure I could start a you tube channel and start telling people my opinion on it and start to gain a few followers.
If however I wanted to start a channel on my specialism I’d be able to quote peer assessed validated evidence. |
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" have you actually asked many older people if they want locking away or would they rather get on with their life and accept that risk.
"
The ones I deal with regularly in the course of my work are fucking terrified, angry, and feel forgotten. Some of them haven't stepped outside since February and are suffering enormously for it. |
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over a year ago
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"What is the average age of those dying with covid and how many under 60's have died with it ?
Why dont you say what you actually mean?
Says the man who recently claimed he answered every question, oh dear go on give it a go answer the question you know you want to.
What question?
What are you on about?
I asked you a question "
Grow up, you're just making yourself look stupid now, act like an adult or leave it to others to have a discussion |
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"What is the average age of those dying with covid and how many under 60's have died with it ?
Why dont you say what you actually mean?
Says the man who recently claimed he answered every question, oh dear go on give it a go answer the question you know you want to.
What question?
What are you on about?
I asked you a question
Grow up, you're just making yourself look stupid now, act like an adult or leave it to others to have a discussion"
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"Should read Overall infection survival rate is around 99.75%! Big difference Apologies
I’m glad you corrected that before Dave on you tube got a chance to see it
So there is no credible information on YouTube?
There very well MAYBE, maybe being the point, with out proper reasoning or research it can’t be relied upon.
Are you aware that the CDC have channel on YouTube? Its all about covid and all relevant information,I suppose they're all called dave at the CDC
So all sources on a platform are equally valid?
Or maybe just maybe one can check credentials...
I was just about to say that. I’m sure the cdc et al have credible facts, but Dave who just likes followers possibly doesn’t.
But this is why I didn't answer earlier. The CDC is on YouTube therefore all YouTube videos are public health experts. My question is bulletproof evidence that this is a scamdemic and we're all fine.
Yeah... More likely it's that people don't know how to find good sources or argue honestly.
That’s it exactly, I know nothing about geology, but I’m sure I could start a you tube channel and start telling people my opinion on it and start to gain a few followers.
If however I wanted to start a channel on my specialism I’d be able to quote peer assessed validated evidence."
It's like I never just told you that the actual CDC has a channel, not Bob talking about it, the ACTUAL CENTRE FOR DISEASE CENTRE in atlanta, Georgia USA |
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"Should read Overall infection survival rate is around 99.75%! Big difference Apologies
I’m glad you corrected that before Dave on you tube got a chance to see it
So there is no credible information on YouTube?
There very well MAYBE, maybe being the point, with out proper reasoning or research it can’t be relied upon.
Are you aware that the CDC have channel on YouTube? Its all about covid and all relevant information,I suppose they're all called dave at the CDC
So all sources on a platform are equally valid?
Or maybe just maybe one can check credentials...
I was just about to say that. I’m sure the cdc et al have credible facts, but Dave who just likes followers possibly doesn’t.
But this is why I didn't answer earlier. The CDC is on YouTube therefore all YouTube videos are public health experts. My question is bulletproof evidence that this is a scamdemic and we're all fine.
Yeah... More likely it's that people don't know how to find good sources or argue honestly.
That’s it exactly, I know nothing about geology, but I’m sure I could start a you tube channel and start telling people my opinion on it and start to gain a few followers.
If however I wanted to start a channel on my specialism I’d be able to quote peer assessed validated evidence.
It's like I never just told you that the actual CDC has a channel, not Bob talking about it, the ACTUAL CENTRE FOR DISEASE CENTRE in atlanta, Georgia USA"
Uh yeah, and they're like verified and shit.
Bob talking about it isn't.
So CDC on YouTube may be a reasonable source (in some circumstances).
Bob isn't. |
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"Should read Overall infection survival rate is around 99.75%! Big difference Apologies
I’m glad you corrected that before Dave on you tube got a chance to see it
So there is no credible information on YouTube?
There very well MAYBE, maybe being the point, with out proper reasoning or research it can’t be relied upon.
Are you aware that the CDC have channel on YouTube? Its all about covid and all relevant information,I suppose they're all called dave at the CDC
So all sources on a platform are equally valid?
Or maybe just maybe one can check credentials...
I was just about to say that. I’m sure the cdc et al have credible facts, but Dave who just likes followers possibly doesn’t.
But this is why I didn't answer earlier. The CDC is on YouTube therefore all YouTube videos are public health experts. My question is bulletproof evidence that this is a scamdemic and we're all fine.
Yeah... More likely it's that people don't know how to find good sources or argue honestly.
That’s it exactly, I know nothing about geology, but I’m sure I could start a you tube channel and start telling people my opinion on it and start to gain a few followers.
If however I wanted to start a channel on my specialism I’d be able to quote peer assessed validated evidence.
It's like I never just told you that the actual CDC has a channel, not Bob talking about it, the ACTUAL CENTRE FOR DISEASE CENTRE in atlanta, Georgia USA
Uh yeah, and they're like verified and shit.
Bob talking about it isn't.
So CDC on YouTube may be a reasonable source (in some circumstances).
Bob isn't."
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"Should read Overall infection survival rate is around 99.75%! Big difference Apologies
I’m glad you corrected that before Dave on you tube got a chance to see it
So there is no credible information on YouTube?
There very well MAYBE, maybe being the point, with out proper reasoning or research it can’t be relied upon.
Are you aware that the CDC have channel on YouTube? Its all about covid and all relevant information,I suppose they're all called dave at the CDC
So all sources on a platform are equally valid?
Or maybe just maybe one can check credentials...
I was just about to say that. I’m sure the cdc et al have credible facts, but Dave who just likes followers possibly doesn’t.
But this is why I didn't answer earlier. The CDC is on YouTube therefore all YouTube videos are public health experts. My question is bulletproof evidence that this is a scamdemic and we're all fine.
Yeah... More likely it's that people don't know how to find good sources or argue honestly.
That’s it exactly, I know nothing about geology, but I’m sure I could start a you tube channel and start telling people my opinion on it and start to gain a few followers.
If however I wanted to start a channel on my specialism I’d be able to quote peer assessed validated evidence.
It's like I never just told you that the actual CDC has a channel, not Bob talking about it, the ACTUAL CENTRE FOR DISEASE CENTRE in atlanta, Georgia USA
Uh yeah, and they're like verified and shit.
Bob talking about it isn't.
So CDC on YouTube may be a reasonable source (in some circumstances).
Bob isn't.
I just said that "
You seem to be arguing that YouTube is a valid source.
YouTube is a platform which may contain good sources (to a point) |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"Should read Overall infection survival rate is around 99.75%! Big difference Apologies
I’m glad you corrected that before Dave on you tube got a chance to see it
So there is no credible information on YouTube?
There very well MAYBE, maybe being the point, with out proper reasoning or research it can’t be relied upon.
Are you aware that the CDC have channel on YouTube? Its all about covid and all relevant information,I suppose they're all called dave at the CDC
So all sources on a platform are equally valid?
Or maybe just maybe one can check credentials...
I was just about to say that. I’m sure the cdc et al have credible facts, but Dave who just likes followers possibly doesn’t.
But this is why I didn't answer earlier. The CDC is on YouTube therefore all YouTube videos are public health experts. My question is bulletproof evidence that this is a scamdemic and we're all fine.
Yeah... More likely it's that people don't know how to find good sources or argue honestly.
That’s it exactly, I know nothing about geology, but I’m sure I could start a you tube channel and start telling people my opinion on it and start to gain a few followers.
If however I wanted to start a channel on my specialism I’d be able to quote peer assessed validated evidence."
That's not my experience but not going to argue the point over it.
As to your other point, yes antibodies disappear, T cells are believed to stay but early days, as for re infection very few seem to have been shown to have caught the same mutation twice and yes there are a tiny number who seem to have had it worse, but the number is tiny, we can't destroy the economy for a handful of people, a literal handful. It's very possible more will have bad reactions to the vaccine but that won't stop me having it, not to protect me but others. |
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"Should read Overall infection survival rate is around 99.75%! Big difference Apologies
I’m glad you corrected that before Dave on you tube got a chance to see it
So there is no credible information on YouTube?
There very well MAYBE, maybe being the point, with out proper reasoning or research it can’t be relied upon.
Are you aware that the CDC have channel on YouTube? Its all about covid and all relevant information,I suppose they're all called dave at the CDC
So all sources on a platform are equally valid?
Or maybe just maybe one can check credentials...
I was just about to say that. I’m sure the cdc et al have credible facts, but Dave who just likes followers possibly doesn’t.
But this is why I didn't answer earlier. The CDC is on YouTube therefore all YouTube videos are public health experts. My question is bulletproof evidence that this is a scamdemic and we're all fine.
Yeah... More likely it's that people don't know how to find good sources or argue honestly.
That’s it exactly, I know nothing about geology, but I’m sure I could start a you tube channel and start telling people my opinion on it and start to gain a few followers.
If however I wanted to start a channel on my specialism I’d be able to quote peer assessed validated evidence.
It's like I never just told you that the actual CDC has a channel, not Bob talking about it, the ACTUAL CENTRE FOR DISEASE CENTRE in atlanta, Georgia USA
Uh yeah, and they're like verified and shit.
Bob talking about it isn't.
So CDC on YouTube may be a reasonable source (in some circumstances).
Bob isn't.
I just said that
You seem to be arguing that YouTube is a valid source.
YouTube is a platform which may contain good sources (to a point)"
I think I said the same, I didn’t mean to confuse. |
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"Should read Overall infection survival rate is around 99.75%! Big difference Apologies
I’m glad you corrected that before Dave on you tube got a chance to see it
So there is no credible information on YouTube?
There very well MAYBE, maybe being the point, with out proper reasoning or research it can’t be relied upon.
Are you aware that the CDC have channel on YouTube? Its all about covid and all relevant information,I suppose they're all called dave at the CDC
So all sources on a platform are equally valid?
Or maybe just maybe one can check credentials...
I was just about to say that. I’m sure the cdc et al have credible facts, but Dave who just likes followers possibly doesn’t.
But this is why I didn't answer earlier. The CDC is on YouTube therefore all YouTube videos are public health experts. My question is bulletproof evidence that this is a scamdemic and we're all fine.
Yeah... More likely it's that people don't know how to find good sources or argue honestly.
That’s it exactly, I know nothing about geology, but I’m sure I could start a you tube channel and start telling people my opinion on it and start to gain a few followers.
If however I wanted to start a channel on my specialism I’d be able to quote peer assessed validated evidence.
It's like I never just told you that the actual CDC has a channel, not Bob talking about it, the ACTUAL CENTRE FOR DISEASE CENTRE in atlanta, Georgia USA
Uh yeah, and they're like verified and shit.
Bob talking about it isn't.
So CDC on YouTube may be a reasonable source (in some circumstances).
Bob isn't.
I just said that
You seem to be arguing that YouTube is a valid source.
YouTube is a platform which may contain good sources (to a point)"
OK, I actually agree with that, not all YouTube is credible,there is also a podcast on there by Joe biden new covid-19 task force leader |
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"Should read Overall infection survival rate is around 99.75%! Big difference Apologies
I’m glad you corrected that before Dave on you tube got a chance to see it
So there is no credible information on YouTube?
There very well MAYBE, maybe being the point, with out proper reasoning or research it can’t be relied upon.
Are you aware that the CDC have channel on YouTube? Its all about covid and all relevant information,I suppose they're all called dave at the CDC
So all sources on a platform are equally valid?
Or maybe just maybe one can check credentials...
I was just about to say that. I’m sure the cdc et al have credible facts, but Dave who just likes followers possibly doesn’t.
But this is why I didn't answer earlier. The CDC is on YouTube therefore all YouTube videos are public health experts. My question is bulletproof evidence that this is a scamdemic and we're all fine.
Yeah... More likely it's that people don't know how to find good sources or argue honestly.
That’s it exactly, I know nothing about geology, but I’m sure I could start a you tube channel and start telling people my opinion on it and start to gain a few followers.
If however I wanted to start a channel on my specialism I’d be able to quote peer assessed validated evidence.
That's not my experience but not going to argue the point over it.
As to your other point, yes antibodies disappear, T cells are believed to stay but early days, as for re infection very few seem to have been shown to have caught the same mutation twice and yes there are a tiny number who seem to have had it worse, but the number is tiny, we can't destroy the economy for a handful of people, a literal handful. It's very possible more will have bad reactions to the vaccine but that won't stop me having it, not to protect me but others."
I'm certainly not rebuilding the economy until it's much much safer to do so. |
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"Should read Overall infection survival rate is around 99.75%! Big difference Apologies
I’m glad you corrected that before Dave on you tube got a chance to see it
So there is no credible information on YouTube?
There very well MAYBE, maybe being the point, with out proper reasoning or research it can’t be relied upon.
Are you aware that the CDC have channel on YouTube? Its all about covid and all relevant information,I suppose they're all called dave at the CDC
So all sources on a platform are equally valid?
Or maybe just maybe one can check credentials...
I was just about to say that. I’m sure the cdc et al have credible facts, but Dave who just likes followers possibly doesn’t.
But this is why I didn't answer earlier. The CDC is on YouTube therefore all YouTube videos are public health experts. My question is bulletproof evidence that this is a scamdemic and we're all fine.
Yeah... More likely it's that people don't know how to find good sources or argue honestly.
That’s it exactly, I know nothing about geology, but I’m sure I could start a you tube channel and start telling people my opinion on it and start to gain a few followers.
If however I wanted to start a channel on my specialism I’d be able to quote peer assessed validated evidence.
It's like I never just told you that the actual CDC has a channel, not Bob talking about it, the ACTUAL CENTRE FOR DISEASE CENTRE in atlanta, Georgia USA
Uh yeah, and they're like verified and shit.
Bob talking about it isn't.
So CDC on YouTube may be a reasonable source (in some circumstances).
Bob isn't.
I just said that
You seem to be arguing that YouTube is a valid source.
YouTube is a platform which may contain good sources (to a point)
I think I said the same, I didn’t mean to confuse."
We are in agreement then, a lot of YouTube is dogshit but also the right credible info is there if you look |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"Should read Overall infection survival rate is around 99.75%! Big difference Apologies
I’m glad you corrected that before Dave on you tube got a chance to see it
So there is no credible information on YouTube?
There very well MAYBE, maybe being the point, with out proper reasoning or research it can’t be relied upon.
Are you aware that the CDC have channel on YouTube? Its all about covid and all relevant information,I suppose they're all called dave at the CDC
So all sources on a platform are equally valid?
Or maybe just maybe one can check credentials...
I was just about to say that. I’m sure the cdc et al have credible facts, but Dave who just likes followers possibly doesn’t.
But this is why I didn't answer earlier. The CDC is on YouTube therefore all YouTube videos are public health experts. My question is bulletproof evidence that this is a scamdemic and we're all fine.
Yeah... More likely it's that people don't know how to find good sources or argue honestly.
That’s it exactly, I know nothing about geology, but I’m sure I could start a you tube channel and start telling people my opinion on it and start to gain a few followers.
If however I wanted to start a channel on my specialism I’d be able to quote peer assessed validated evidence.
That's not my experience but not going to argue the point over it.
As to your other point, yes antibodies disappear, T cells are believed to stay but early days, as for re infection very few seem to have been shown to have caught the same mutation twice and yes there are a tiny number who seem to have had it worse, but the number is tiny, we can't destroy the economy for a handful of people, a literal handful. It's very possible more will have bad reactions to the vaccine but that won't stop me having it, not to protect me but others.
I'm certainly not rebuilding the economy until it's much much safer to do so."
So who is going to pay for the whole country to.stay at home ? Millions of us have been at work the whole time, I assume you have if you are looking after old people, with out an economy we will end up like syria |
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The details and figures that I'd like to see are the information about after effects on those who survive. From the totality of the media coverage, one would get the impression that covid either (a) kills you stone dead in a really nasty way, or (b) gives you a bit of a cough that goes away after two days then you're totally healthy.
There's some almost throwaway mentions of a few suffering from "long covid" which sounds a bit like it could be a charming hillside somewhere on the welsh borders.
I can fairly easily find the likelihood of me dying if i catch it, and i can calculate for myself the number of people i put at risk if i break quarantine if I've been exposed to it. But really what i want to know is the full range of horrible but non-lethal stuff that could happen to me. I'm pretty sure that dying from it wouldn't be the best experience, but what's my chances of living through and finding I've got lung damage that will leave me gasping for breath through five years until i ultimately succumb to pneumonia? Or getting kidney damage? Is there a chance I'll have 20 years being unable to walk? Might i get brain damage from high temperature & low oxygenation, be alive but have lost the most vital part of my being?
The big silence is almost as if most of the governments around the world are trying to minimise the seriousness, hoping it'll go away, and don't want to draw criticism for their poor handling of a world crisis. |
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"Should read Overall infection survival rate is around 99.75%! Big difference Apologies
I’m glad you corrected that before Dave on you tube got a chance to see it
So there is no credible information on YouTube?
There very well MAYBE, maybe being the point, with out proper reasoning or research it can’t be relied upon.
Are you aware that the CDC have channel on YouTube? Its all about covid and all relevant information,I suppose they're all called dave at the CDC
So all sources on a platform are equally valid?
Or maybe just maybe one can check credentials...
I was just about to say that. I’m sure the cdc et al have credible facts, but Dave who just likes followers possibly doesn’t.
But this is why I didn't answer earlier. The CDC is on YouTube therefore all YouTube videos are public health experts. My question is bulletproof evidence that this is a scamdemic and we're all fine.
Yeah... More likely it's that people don't know how to find good sources or argue honestly.
That’s it exactly, I know nothing about geology, but I’m sure I could start a you tube channel and start telling people my opinion on it and start to gain a few followers.
If however I wanted to start a channel on my specialism I’d be able to quote peer assessed validated evidence.
That's not my experience but not going to argue the point over it.
As to your other point, yes antibodies disappear, T cells are believed to stay but early days, as for re infection very few seem to have been shown to have caught the same mutation twice and yes there are a tiny number who seem to have had it worse, but the number is tiny, we can't destroy the economy for a handful of people, a literal handful. It's very possible more will have bad reactions to the vaccine but that won't stop me having it, not to protect me but others.
I'm certainly not rebuilding the economy until it's much much safer to do so.
So who is going to pay for the whole country to.stay at home ? Millions of us have been at work the whole time, I assume you have if you are looking after old people, with out an economy we will end up like syria"
My work has gone remote to minimise risk.
If we let the disease rip, who's going to pay for the huge disability burden from long Covid, strokes and other known effects that strike all ages, even assuming that reinfection can't happen? |
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"Should read Overall infection survival rate is around 99.75%! Big difference Apologies
I’m glad you corrected that before Dave on you tube got a chance to see it
So there is no credible information on YouTube?
There very well MAYBE, maybe being the point, with out proper reasoning or research it can’t be relied upon.
Are you aware that the CDC have channel on YouTube? Its all about covid and all relevant information,I suppose they're all called dave at the CDC
So all sources on a platform are equally valid?
Or maybe just maybe one can check credentials...
I was just about to say that. I’m sure the cdc et al have credible facts, but Dave who just likes followers possibly doesn’t.
But this is why I didn't answer earlier. The CDC is on YouTube therefore all YouTube videos are public health experts. My question is bulletproof evidence that this is a scamdemic and we're all fine.
Yeah... More likely it's that people don't know how to find good sources or argue honestly.
That’s it exactly, I know nothing about geology, but I’m sure I could start a you tube channel and start telling people my opinion on it and start to gain a few followers.
If however I wanted to start a channel on my specialism I’d be able to quote peer assessed validated evidence.
That's not my experience but not going to argue the point over it.
As to your other point, yes antibodies disappear, T cells are believed to stay but early days, as for re infection very few seem to have been shown to have caught the same mutation twice and yes there are a tiny number who seem to have had it worse, but the number is tiny, we can't destroy the economy for a handful of people, a literal handful. It's very possible more will have bad reactions to the vaccine but that won't stop me having it, not to protect me but others.
I'm certainly not rebuilding the economy until it's much much safer to do so.
So who is going to pay for the whole country to.stay at home ? Millions of us have been at work the whole time, I assume you have if you are looking after old people, with out an economy we will end up like syria
My work has gone remote to minimise risk.
If we let the disease rip, who's going to pay for the huge disability burden from long Covid, strokes and other known effects that strike all ages, even assuming that reinfection can't happen?"
look at Italy again. |
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By *adMerWoman
over a year ago
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" have you actually asked many older people if they want locking away or would they rather get on with their life and accept that risk.
The ones I deal with regularly in the course of my work are fucking terrified, angry, and feel forgotten. Some of them haven't stepped outside since February and are suffering enormously for it."
Yes every single vulnerable person is having a really really hard time. So we should have just forced them to stay indoors all the time and have zero contact while the rest of us just carry on as normal and stay away from them like lepers?!
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"In the media there are obviously reports of cases and deaths per day/week, but why don't they say the average age of deaths? Or the survival rate?
Asked our local mp about the average age of deaths before the country was put into lockdown, took over a week to get an answer as public health England didn't want to publish for some reason ...
The data is highly inaccurate, the death figures include people for whom the virus had no bearing on their deaths, but doesn't include others whose death may have been caused by the virus but they'd never had a test.
The new infection figures are more accurate, but not representative due to the ever changing nature of testing. Obviously the more testing done, the more positive results will be found. A more useful measure of the infection rate is the ratio of positive tests to tests done, but that's not a figure that's published.
Cal
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Yes it is, the coronavirus page on gov.uk has the number of tests processed and the number of positive cases every day. Not in ratio form, but all you need is a calculator "
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
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"Should read Overall infection survival rate is around 99.75%! Big difference Apologies
I’m glad you corrected that before Dave on you tube got a chance to see it
So there is no credible information on YouTube? "
2 issues with utoob. First is there's zero factchecking.
The second is the algorithm it uses to suggest videos.
YT wants to keep you watching for as along as possible. To do this it makes you angry. So you start with a recipe for cupcakes, 5 videos later you're watching videos about the great replacement theory. |
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" have you actually asked many older people if they want locking away or would they rather get on with their life and accept that risk.
The ones I deal with regularly in the course of my work are fucking terrified, angry, and feel forgotten. Some of them haven't stepped outside since February and are suffering enormously for it.
Yes every single vulnerable person is having a really really hard time. So we should have just forced them to stay indoors all the time and have zero contact while the rest of us just carry on as normal and stay away from them like lepers?!
Thank the lord the majority of us are a bit more caring than that"
Yes. You don't lose your humanity after you develop a heart condition or hit 65. You're still a person with worth, value, and needs. |
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" have you actually asked many older people if they want locking away or would they rather get on with their life and accept that risk.
The ones I deal with regularly in the course of my work are fucking terrified, angry, and feel forgotten. Some of them haven't stepped outside since February and are suffering enormously for it.
Yes every single vulnerable person is having a really really hard time. So we should have just forced them to stay indoors all the time and have zero contact while the rest of us just carry on as normal and stay away from them like lepers?!
Thank the lord the majority of us are a bit more caring than that"
That being said, I'm treating everyone like a leper right now.
GTF away from me, potential carrier of Covid (although I hope the smile reaches my eyes when I say "it's not you, it's everyone") |
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"Should read Overall infection survival rate is around 99.75%! Big difference Apologies
I’m glad you corrected that before Dave on you tube got a chance to see it
So there is no credible information on YouTube?
2 issues with utoob. First is there's zero factchecking.
The second is the algorithm it uses to suggest videos.
YT wants to keep you watching for as along as possible. To do this it makes you angry. So you start with a recipe for cupcakes, 5 videos later you're watching videos about the great replacement theory."
Also when you watch one video on a particular subject it fills your recommendations feed with other videos on that subject. If I watch cooking videos I mostly get recommended cooking videos, same with diet/fitness, ASMR etc. I watched like two cat videos last night and today my entire feed is cats. Not complaining though. |
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"Should read Overall infection survival rate is around 99.75%! Big difference Apologies
I’m glad you corrected that before Dave on you tube got a chance to see it
So there is no credible information on YouTube?
2 issues with utoob. First is there's zero factchecking.
The second is the algorithm it uses to suggest videos.
YT wants to keep you watching for as along as possible. To do this it makes you angry. So you start with a recipe for cupcakes, 5 videos later you're watching videos about the great replacement theory.
Also when you watch one video on a particular subject it fills your recommendations feed with other videos on that subject. If I watch cooking videos I mostly get recommended cooking videos, same with diet/fitness, ASMR etc. I watched like two cat videos last night and today my entire feed is cats. Not complaining though."
I hard ignore my related videos |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"If you are outside the normal range for road accidents do you still look before crossing the road
Whose more likely to die on the roads? 85 year old or 25 year old
Google is your friend"
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It's nonsense regarding the 85 and 25 crossing the road. The 25yr old could be d*unk. Or on drugs therefore increase being involved in an accident greatly. It all depends on that individuals circunstances.ie health. Vision. Anxiety etc |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Should read Overall infection survival rate is around 99.75%! Big difference Apologies
I’m glad you corrected that before Dave on you tube got a chance to see it
So there is no credible information on YouTube?
2 issues with utoob. First is there's zero factchecking.
The second is the algorithm it uses to suggest videos.
YT wants to keep you watching for as along as possible. To do this it makes you angry. So you start with a recipe for cupcakes, 5 videos later you're watching videos about the great replacement theory."
Replacing cupcakes? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I think the whole thing comes down to the fact that there are people who think that after a certain point (not a point they have hit yet, obviously) a person’s life is no longer worth anything; and there are people who aren’t cunts. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Should read Overall infection survival rate is around 99.75%! Big difference Apologies
I’m glad you corrected that before Dave on you tube got a chance to see it
So there is no credible information on YouTube?
2 issues with utoob. First is there's zero factchecking.
The second is the algorithm it uses to suggest videos.
YT wants to keep you watching for as along as possible. To do this it makes you angry. So you start with a recipe for cupcakes, 5 videos later you're watching videos about the great replacement theory.
Replacing cupcakes? "
Damn now my fatass wants cupcakes.  |
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By *urtleJRCouple
over a year ago
Ystradgynlais |
"I think the whole thing comes down to the fact that there are people who think that after a certain point a person’s life is no longer worth anything;"
Not true. NICE suggest your life is roughly £20,000 per year. |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
bournemouth |
"I think the whole thing comes down to the fact that there are people who think that after a certain point (not a point they have hit yet, obviously) a person’s life is no longer worth anything; and there are people who aren’t cunts."
Can you name one person on this thread who thinks one single person's life is no longer worth anything ?
All I can see is people who have different opinions, do you everyone who has a different view to you a cunt ? |
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"Well the way I see it the bad orange man knocked it out in a week and he's a hamplanet who eats nothing but cheeseburgers..."
He had every treatment including a fuckton of expensive experimental shit thrown at him. You or I won't get that. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Yes they should say the survival rate of people who have had it. The figures would be more balanced that way and people would have accurate information. By only publishing death rates they are scaring people witless. "
i dont think its about scaring people witless but i do think its a conscious decision to avoid people becoming complacent because you need everyone to pull in the same direction and if not as risk people dont comply they will spread it to the at risk people |
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"I think the whole thing comes down to the fact that there are people who think that after a certain point (not a point they have hit yet, obviously) a person’s life is no longer worth anything; and there are people who aren’t cunts.
Can you name one person on this thread who thinks one single person's life is no longer worth anything ?
All I can see is people who have different opinions, do you everyone who has a different view to you a cunt ? "
I said there are people who think some people’s lives are worth less than others and there are people who aren’t cunts.
Perhaps you should reflect on why you feel offended by what I said. |
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over a year ago
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"In the media there are obviously reports of cases and deaths per day/week, but why don't they say the average age of deaths? Or the survival rate?
Asked our local mp about the average age of deaths before the country was put into lockdown, took over a week to get an answer as public health England didn't want to publish for some reason ...
The data is highly inaccurate, the death figures include people for whom the virus had no bearing on their deaths, but doesn't include others whose death may have been caused by the virus but they'd never had a test.
The new infection figures are more accurate, but not representative due to the ever changing nature of testing. Obviously the more testing done, the more positive results will be found. A more useful measure of the infection rate is the ratio of positive tests to tests done, but that's not a figure that's published.
Cal"
even that method is flawed because the population of tests is targeted rather than random sample , it used to be people in hospital, then it was only symptoms, then it was all students and core workers households, now it will be all of liverpool .., difficult to track any trends when the goalposts keep moving |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
bournemouth |
"I think the whole thing comes down to the fact that there are people who think that after a certain point (not a point they have hit yet, obviously) a person’s life is no longer worth anything; and there are people who aren’t cunts.
Can you name one person on this thread who thinks one single person's life is no longer worth anything ?
All I can see is people who have different opinions, do you everyone who has a different view to you a cunt ?
I said there are people who think some people’s lives are worth less than others and there are people who aren’t cunts.
Perhaps you should reflect on why you feel offended by what I said."
Who are these people who have claimed what you say they have.
who said I was offended ? |
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over a year ago
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"Should read Overall infection survival rate is around 99.75%! Big difference Apologies
I’m glad you corrected that before Dave on you tube got a chance to see it
So there is no credible information on YouTube?
There very well MAYBE, maybe being the point, with out proper reasoning or research it can’t be relied upon.
Are you aware that the CDC have channel on YouTube? Its all about covid and all relevant information,I suppose they're all called dave at the CDC
So all sources on a platform are equally valid?
Or maybe just maybe one can check credentials...
I was just about to say that. I’m sure the cdc et al have credible facts, but Dave who just likes followers possibly doesn’t.
Just who is dave anyway"
i am dave and so’s my wife .... oh wait .... thats brian  |
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"I think the whole thing comes down to the fact that there are people who think that after a certain point (not a point they have hit yet, obviously) a person’s life is no longer worth anything; and there are people who aren’t cunts."
But they wont admit to it
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Top and bottom of it all, follow the rules, protect the vulnerable and we get through all this. Try to break off into fragments based on opinions we won’t.
Good luck everyone I’ll follow the sheeple and do as I’m told to help protect those more vulnerable. |
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"Top and bottom of it all, follow the rules, protect the vulnerable and we get through all this. Try to break off into fragments based on opinions we won’t.
Good luck everyone I’ll follow the sheeple and do as I’m told to help protect those more vulnerable."
If us sheeple stick together the wolves are less likely to get us |
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over a year ago
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"So what is the UK tipping point ? Lockdowns vs economy vs each other ?"
No, the vast majority of people agree with lockdown, don’t take what you see on this forum as being representative. |
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"I think the whole thing comes down to the fact that there are people who think that after a certain point (not a point they have hit yet, obviously) a person’s life is no longer worth anything; and there are people who aren’t cunts.
Can you name one person on this thread who thinks one single person's life is no longer worth anything ?
All I can see is people who have different opinions, do you everyone who has a different view to you a cunt ?
I said there are people who think some people’s lives are worth less than others and there are people who aren’t cunts.
Perhaps you should reflect on why you feel offended by what I said.
Who are these people who have claimed what you say they have.
who said I was offended ? "
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"Top and bottom of it all, follow the rules, protect the vulnerable and we get through all this. Try to break off into fragments based on opinions we won’t.
Good luck everyone I’ll follow the sheeple and do as I’m told to help protect those more vulnerable.
If us sheeple stick together the wolves are less likely to get us "
Exactly, the wolves only really can get the odd stray one or the weak ones on the edge. Strength comes in number.
An example, I couldn’t roll a crashed car back on its wheels alone, however if enough other people helped me we could. |
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"So what is the UK tipping point ? Lockdowns vs economy vs each other ?
No, the vast majority of people agree with lockdown, don’t take what you see on this forum as being representative."
The survey's I've heard about suggest it's 70%+ agreeing with protecting people |
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"So what is the UK tipping point ? Lockdowns vs economy vs each other ?
No, the vast majority of people agree with lockdown, don’t take what you see on this forum as being representative.
The survey's I've heard about suggest it's 70%+ agreeing with protecting people"
Was that on YouTube/wiki or Google? |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
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"I think the whole thing comes down to the fact that there are people who think that after a certain point (not a point they have hit yet, obviously) a person’s life is no longer worth anything; and there are people who aren’t cunts.
But they wont admit to it
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They often lack awareness. |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"I think the whole thing comes down to the fact that there are people who think that after a certain point (not a point they have hit yet, obviously) a person’s life is no longer worth anything; and there are people who aren’t cunts.
Can you name one person on this thread who thinks one single person's life is no longer worth anything ?
All I can see is people who have different opinions, do you everyone who has a different view to you a cunt ?
I said there are people who think some people’s lives are worth less than others and there are people who aren’t cunts.
Perhaps you should reflect on why you feel offended by what I said.
Who are these people who have claimed what you say they have.
who said I was offended ?
You’re definitely not acting like someone who is offended, no sired, definitely not."
So you cant name one person then but think anyone who disagrees with your view is a cunt, sounds like you're the one who is offended by other opinions .
How exactly am I acting like I'm offended have I called you or anyone names for disagreeing with me, |
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"I think the whole thing comes down to the fact that there are people who think that after a certain point (not a point they have hit yet, obviously) a person’s life is no longer worth anything; and there are people who aren’t cunts.
Can you name one person on this thread who thinks one single person's life is no longer worth anything ?
All I can see is people who have different opinions, do you everyone who has a different view to you a cunt ?
I said there are people who think some people’s lives are worth less than others and there are people who aren’t cunts.
Perhaps you should reflect on why you feel offended by what I said.
Who are these people who have claimed what you say they have.
who said I was offended ?
You’re definitely not acting like someone who is offended, no sired, definitely not.
So you cant name one person then but think anyone who disagrees with your view is a cunt, sounds like you're the one who is offended by other opinions .
How exactly am I acting like I'm offended have I called you or anyone names for disagreeing with me, "
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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago
The South |
"Should read Overall infection survival rate is around 99.75%! Big difference Apologies
I’m glad you corrected that before Dave on you tube got a chance to see it
So there is no credible information on YouTube?
There very well MAYBE, maybe being the point, with out proper reasoning or research it can’t be relied upon.
Are you aware that the CDC have channel on YouTube? Its all about covid and all relevant information,I suppose they're all called dave at the CDC"
What do you think the D in CDC stands for.......
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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago
The South |
"I think the whole thing comes down to the fact that there are people who think that after a certain point (not a point they have hit yet, obviously) a person’s life is no longer worth anything; and there are people who aren’t cunts.
Can you name one person on this thread who thinks one single person's life is no longer worth anything ?
All I can see is people who have different opinions, do you everyone who has a different view to you a cunt ?
I said there are people who think some people’s lives are worth less than others and there are people who aren’t cunts.
Perhaps you should reflect on why you feel offended by what I said.
Who are these people who have claimed what you say they have.
who said I was offended ?
You’re definitely not acting like someone who is offended, no sired, definitely not.
So you cant name one person then but think anyone who disagrees with your view is a cunt, sounds like you're the one who is offended by other opinions .
How exactly am I acting like I'm offended have I called you or anyone names for disagreeing with me, "
I know the answer to this one.
By beligerently going on and on and fucking on about not being offended.
What do I win?
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By *oggoneMan
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Derry |
"I think the whole thing comes down to the fact that there are people who think that after a certain point (not a point they have hit yet, obviously) a person’s life is no longer worth anything; and there are people who aren’t cunts.
Can you name one person on this thread who thinks one single person's life is no longer worth anything ?
All I can see is people who have different opinions, do you everyone who has a different view to you a cunt ?
I said there are people who think some people’s lives are worth less than others and there are people who aren’t cunts.
Perhaps you should reflect on why you feel offended by what I said.
Who are these people who have claimed what you say they have.
who said I was offended ?
You’re definitely not acting like someone who is offended, no sired, definitely not.
So you cant name one person then but think anyone who disagrees with your view is a cunt, sounds like you're the one who is offended by other opinions .
How exactly am I acting like I'm offended have I called you or anyone names for disagreeing with me,
Nope, not offended, not in the slightest."
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"In the media there are obviously reports of cases and deaths per day/week, but why don't they say the average age of deaths? Or the survival rate?
Asked our local mp about the average age of deaths before the country was put into lockdown, took over a week to get an answer as public health England didn't want to publish for some reason ..."
Because if 98% of the population decide they don’t need to take Covid seriously they other 2% are fked |
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