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over a year ago
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I'm interested to know where this strain originated from. Perhaps the UK found it due to the type of random testing we do, but we seem to be getting the blame.
Though how any 'blame' can be assigned to a virus that mutates, I'm not sure. |
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"I'm interested to know where this strain originated from. Perhaps the UK found it due to the type of random testing we do, but we seem to be getting the blame.
Though how any 'blame' can be assigned to a virus that mutates, I'm not sure. "
Report in the times said it could be that it mutated inside a person with a very low or compromised immune system then off it went..
It's like trying to blame the wind though in this situation.. |
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"I'm interested to know where this strain originated from. Perhaps the UK found it due to the type of random testing we do, but we seem to be getting the blame.
Though how any 'blame' can be assigned to a virus that mutates, I'm not sure. "
It keeps mutating as the virus infects different people, that’s what it needs to survive! So the more people it infects the more chances it has to slightly change on order to survive and spread. Also, the Chinese strain apparently is in Asia only now anyway and it’s much weaker/not as contagious as the one in Europe. Read a good article about the different steams around the world |
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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago
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I don't think that there is a conspiracy of blame going on - but perhaps we were just looking at the right moment.
The Virus mutates all the time. They are saying that this one 'hit on' a greater viral load to enable it to spread easier.
Actually it doesn't spread easier to begin with, but it has a better chance of infecting the host because of the greater viral load. If it infects the host 'then' it is more likely to be passed on.
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"I'm interested to know where this strain originated from. Perhaps the UK found it due to the type of random testing we do, but we seem to be getting the blame.
Though how any 'blame' can be assigned to a virus that mutates, I'm not sure. "
Ahhh so equal to all the idiots blaming China then ..... yea exactly. |
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"I'm interested to know where this strain originated from. Perhaps the UK found it due to the type of random testing we do, but we seem to be getting the blame.
Though how any 'blame' can be assigned to a virus that mutates, I'm not sure.
Ahhh so equal to all the idiots blaming China then ..... yea exactly. "
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"I'm interested to know where this strain originated from. Perhaps the UK found it due to the type of random testing we do, but we seem to be getting the blame.
Though how any 'blame' can be assigned to a virus that mutates, I'm not sure. "
Typical of the UK germany had an explosion in infections a couple of weeks ago.I am 100% it did not start here,we just opened are big mouths being honest.Same with death numbers we are more honest and the sad knockers lap it up |
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"I'm interested to know where this strain originated from. Perhaps the UK found it due to the type of random testing we do, but we seem to be getting the blame.
Though how any 'blame' can be assigned to a virus that mutates, I'm not sure. Typical of the UK germany had an explosion in infections a couple of weeks ago.I am 100% it did not start here,we just opened are big mouths being honest.Same with death numbers we are more honest and the sad knockers lap it up"
Outstanding |
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"195 countries on the globe.
Uk 7th highest for covid
I really don't think many other countries are coming clean with their actual figures. "
What makes you doubt Germany, NZ Australia, Spain? Just need to face the facts Bojo has arsed it up from day 1 |
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"So this time we are being punished for being too good at testing 
Ha that’s a laugh.... too good? Not a chance Possibly you are a discrace to this nation"
Possibly the people saying Bojo letting thousands die needlessly and STILL standing up for him are a disgrace to this nation. I’d prefer to be on the side of the people than elitist twats in No 10 tbh. |
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"I'm interested to know where this strain originated from. Perhaps the UK found it due to the type of random testing we do, but we seem to be getting the blame.
Though how any 'blame' can be assigned to a virus that mutates, I'm not sure. Typical of the UK germany had an explosion in infections a couple of weeks ago.I am 100% it did not start here,we just opened are big mouths being honest.Same with death numbers we are more honest and the sad knockers lap it up
Outstanding "
Seriously is ... Stockholm syndrome? |
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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago
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"195 countries on the globe.
Uk 7th highest for covid
I really don't think many other countries are coming clean with their actual figures.
What makes you doubt Germany, NZ Australia, Spain? Just need to face the facts Bojo has arsed it up from day 1 "
When I say 'Germany, NZ Australia, Spain' you will see it in the words I write. As you can see I didn't.
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"195 countries on the globe.
Uk 7th highest for covid
I really don't think many other countries are coming clean with their actual figures.
What makes you doubt Germany, NZ Australia, Spain? Just need to face the facts Bojo has arsed it up from day 1
When I say 'Germany, NZ Australia, Spain' you will see it in the words I write. As you can see I didn't.
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You said not many other countries are coming clean with the figures? So you mean all the others apart from the ones I mentioned? |
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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago
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"195 countries on the globe.
Uk 7th highest for covid
I really don't think many other countries are coming clean with their actual figures.
What makes you doubt Germany, NZ Australia, Spain? Just need to face the facts Bojo has arsed it up from day 1
When I say 'Germany, NZ Australia, Spain' you will see it in the words I write. As you can see I didn't.
You said not many other countries are coming clean with the figures? So you mean all the others apart from the ones I mentioned? "
No I didn't I actually said
"I really don't think many other countries are coming clean with their actual figures".
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"195 countries on the globe.
Uk 7th highest for covid "
Oh but WE are an island
Oh but WE are densely populated
Oh but WE are being honest no one else is
Oh but WE are doing more tests
Can’t think of anymore excuses atm .... |
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"195 countries on the globe.
Uk 7th highest for covid
I really don't think many other countries are coming clean with their actual figures.
What makes you doubt Germany, NZ Australia, Spain? Just need to face the facts Bojo has arsed it up from day 1
When I say 'Germany, NZ Australia, Spain' you will see it in the words I write. As you can see I didn't.
You said not many other countries are coming clean with the figures? So you mean all the others apart from the ones I mentioned?
No I didn't I actually said
"I really don't think many other countries are coming clean with their actual figures".
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Yes ... so name the ones you think are lying. |
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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago
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"195 countries on the globe.
Uk 7th highest for covid
I really don't think many other countries are coming clean with their actual figures.
What makes you doubt Germany, NZ Australia, Spain? Just need to face the facts Bojo has arsed it up from day 1
When I say 'Germany, NZ Australia, Spain' you will see it in the words I write. As you can see I didn't.
You said not many other countries are coming clean with the figures? So you mean all the others apart from the ones I mentioned?
No I didn't I actually said
"I really don't think many other countries are coming clean with their actual figures".
Yes ... so name the ones you think are lying. "
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/52311014
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"195 countries on the globe.
Uk 7th highest for covid
I really don't think many other countries are coming clean with their actual figures.
What makes you doubt Germany, NZ Australia, Spain? Just need to face the facts Bojo has arsed it up from day 1
When I say 'Germany, NZ Australia, Spain' you will see it in the words I write. As you can see I didn't.
You said not many other countries are coming clean with the figures? So you mean all the others apart from the ones I mentioned?
No I didn't I actually said
"I really don't think many other countries are coming clean with their actual figures".
Yes ... so name the ones you think are lying.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/52311014
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All that says is China isn’t counting which we all know abs that others. I don’t understand why that article proves your comment? |
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"Russia. China. Belarus. Brazil. Chile. Columbia. India. Bangladesh. Iran. for a start I cant post the other links here. Go find them yourself.
Not hard to find at all."
Ahhh so not the countries I listed whom are doing amazingly better than we are and are more comparable to our economy/wealth etc .... ok |
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"195 countries on the globe.
Uk 7th highest for covid
What's your point?
You've just posted the equivalent of "my postman wears grey trousers".
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I think he was saying that we have done really really badly ... are we the fifth richest country or something? Trump has done worse admittedly but hey that would be even worse if even he had done better is keeping his vulnerable alive. |
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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago
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"Russia. China. Belarus. Brazil. Chile. Columbia. India. Bangladesh. Iran. for a start I cant post the other links here. Go find them yourself.
Not hard to find at all.
Ahhh so not the countries I listed whom are doing amazingly better than we are and are more comparable to our economy/wealth etc .... ok"
hahaha nice dodge.
But my post - that you answered said:
"I really don't think many other countries are coming clean with their actual figures".
Not:
'How well or badly we are doing against the list you wrote'.
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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago
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Anyway . . .
Back to OP . . .
See. It is already all over Europe
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-new-strain-found-in-denmark-netherlands-and-australia-says-who-12169262
And has been for a while.
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Uk 2,049,147 cases; 1.7 million (83.3%) since end of July lockdown
Increased testing aside UK has failed
Pandemic budget cut by 40% amidst a decade of austerity
Track and trace failure
Daily lies on PPE - NHS staff had to publicly crowdfund
£16 million of faulty test kits purchased
Lost the EU memo to join other 27 countries in January to bulk purchase medical supplies
Cummings, Jenrick and now Elwood putting two fingers up to lockdown restrictions while 11.000 people have been fined.
‘I visited a hospital ward with covid patients and shook hands with everyone’
Boris Johnson 3rd March
Now a unique UK strain, can’t blame China for that. |
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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago
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"Uk 2,049,147 cases; 1.7 million (83.3%) since end of July lockdown
Increased testing aside UK has failed
Pandemic budget cut by 40% amidst a decade of austerity
Track and trace failure
Daily lies on PPE - NHS staff had to publicly crowdfund
£16 million of faulty test kits purchased
Lost the EU memo to join other 27 countries in January to bulk purchase medical supplies
Cummings, Jenrick and now Elwood putting two fingers up to lockdown restrictions while 11.000 people have been fined.
‘I visited a hospital ward with covid patients and shook hands with everyone’
Boris Johnson 3rd March
Now a unique UK strain, can’t blame China for that. "
Correct. No one is to blame for the mutated strain.
Because that's what viruses do, mutate.
Although you could blame the originators of C19 virus of course, without that, there would be no virus to mutate.
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"I'm interested to know where this strain originated from. Perhaps the UK found it due to the type of random testing we do, but we seem to be getting the blame.
Though how any 'blame' can be assigned to a virus that mutates, I'm not sure. Typical of the UK germany had an explosion in infections a couple of weeks ago.I am 100% it did not start here,we just opened are big mouths being honest.Same with death numbers we are more honest and the sad knockers lap it up"
The genome of the variant's details are shared globally, in a fully transparent process. It's a collaborative effort between nations of the world and has been the case for months.
Having London and the South East go from Tier 2 to the new Tier 4 in less than a week, whilst proclaiming an emergency is of course something that our neighbours need to be responsive to. It's what good leaders do for their citizens, when they are also facing a severe crisis. |
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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago
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The genome of the variant's details are shared globally, in a fully transparent process. It's a collaborative effort between nations of the world and has been the case for months.
Having London and the South East go from Tier 2 to the new Tier 4 in less than a week, whilst proclaiming an emergency is of course something that our neighbours need to be responsive to. It's what good leaders do for their citizens, when they are also facing a severe crisis. "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm interested to know where this strain originated from. Perhaps the UK found it due to the type of random testing we do, but we seem to be getting the blame.
Though how any 'blame' can be assigned to a virus that mutates, I'm not sure. "
mutations happen in infected people. more infected people, more mutations.  |
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"I'm interested to know where this strain originated from. Perhaps the UK found it due to the type of random testing we do, but we seem to be getting the blame.
Though how any 'blame' can be assigned to a virus that mutates, I'm not sure. "
It is a bit like asking who farted. The minute you alert people to anything, you are the culprit. |
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"I'm interested to know where this strain originated from. Perhaps the UK found it due to the type of random testing we do, but we seem to be getting the blame.
Though how any 'blame' can be assigned to a virus that mutates, I'm not sure.
It keeps mutating as the virus infects different people, that’s what it needs to survive! So the more people it infects the more chances it has to slightly change on order to survive and spread. Also, the Chinese strain apparently is in Asia only now anyway and it’s much weaker/not as contagious as the one in Europe. Read a good article about the different steams around the world "
Part of me wants to send this new strain back to China, just to see how they like it. As all this started there in the first place. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm interested to know where this strain originated from. Perhaps the UK found it due to the type of random testing we do, but we seem to be getting the blame.
Though how any 'blame' can be assigned to a virus that mutates, I'm not sure.
It is a bit like asking who farted. The minute you alert people to anything, you are the culprit."
LMAO! To be fair that’s true, I mean everyone had the same reaction back in Feb when the first cases were reported in Italy |
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Rather than blaming anyone else. Some people. Quite a large minority are choosing to spread this. To get on planes. To break quarantine, to break social distancing and so on. If you're blaming anyone. Blame the people who are choosing to spread this. Nobody else is doing this to us. We are doing this all to eachother. |
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"Rather than blaming anyone else. Some people. Quite a large minority are choosing to spread this. To get on planes. To break quarantine, to break social distancing and so on. If you're blaming anyone. Blame the people who are choosing to spread this. Nobody else is doing this to us. We are doing this all to eachother. "
I mean if the virus is still going around it is because people are not testing, breaking quarantine rules etc
That’s true |
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"Rather than blaming anyone else. Some people. Quite a large minority are choosing to spread this. To get on planes. To break quarantine, to break social distancing and so on. If you're blaming anyone. Blame the people who are choosing to spread this. Nobody else is doing this to us. We are doing this all to eachother.
I mean if the virus is still going around it is because people are not testing, breaking quarantine rules etc
That’s true "
Being asymptomatic an individual wouldn’t know to get tested or indeed be in quarantine, so they wouldn’t be breaking any rules.
Somethings just aren’t so clear cut black & white. |
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"Rather than blaming anyone else. Some people. Quite a large minority are choosing to spread this. To get on planes. To break quarantine, to break social distancing and so on. If you're blaming anyone. Blame the people who are choosing to spread this. Nobody else is doing this to us. We are doing this all to eachother. "
To a large extent but kids are still in school it's impossible to keep a primary school covid safe, it would involve every pupil being followed round by someone in a full hazard suit, retail has been open, pubs have been open my parents personal carers still have to go from home to home. Now we have a new strain that has been found to be prevalent and easily spread among the young and schools we're obliged to remain open under threat of legal action. I'm of the opinion that it isn't only those who aren't quarantining or observing social distancing who are responsible. |
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"Rather than blaming anyone else. Some people. Quite a large minority are choosing to spread this. To get on planes. To break quarantine, to break social distancing and so on. If you're blaming anyone. Blame the people who are choosing to spread this. Nobody else is doing this to us. We are doing this all to eachother.
I mean if the virus is still going around it is because people are not testing, breaking quarantine rules etc
That’s true
Being asymptomatic an individual wouldn’t know to get tested or indeed be in quarantine, so they wouldn’t be breaking any rules.
Somethings just aren’t so clear cut black & white. "
Very true. Those very people who are criticising the covidiot rule breakers could be spreading it around their local supermarket. |
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"Rather than blaming anyone else. Some people. Quite a large minority are choosing to spread this. To get on planes. To break quarantine, to break social distancing and so on. If you're blaming anyone. Blame the people who are choosing to spread this. Nobody else is doing this to us. We are doing this all to eachother.
To a large extent but kids are still in school it's impossible to keep a primary school covid safe, it would involve every pupil being followed round by someone in a full hazard suit, retail has been open, pubs have been open my parents personal carers still have to go from home to home. Now we have a new strain that has been found to be prevalent and easily spread among the young and schools we're obliged to remain open under threat of legal action. I'm of the opinion that it isn't only those who aren't quarantining or observing social distancing who are responsible. "
How else do you think it spreads if not from close contact? |
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"Rather than blaming anyone else. Some people. Quite a large minority are choosing to spread this. To get on planes. To break quarantine, to break social distancing and so on. If you're blaming anyone. Blame the people who are choosing to spread this. Nobody else is doing this to us. We are doing this all to eachother.
I mean if the virus is still going around it is because people are not testing, breaking quarantine rules etc
That’s true
Being asymptomatic an individual wouldn’t know to get tested or indeed be in quarantine, so they wouldn’t be breaking any rules.
Somethings just aren’t so clear cut black & white.
Very true. Those very people who are criticising the covidiot rule breakers could be spreading it around their local supermarket."
Not if they maintain good distance. Lidl was empty at 9 last night. Now there are no guarantees but I think there is a lower risk of me spreading anything in a supermarket with 20 people in than one with 200 people in. |
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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago
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"I'm interested to know where this strain originated from. Perhaps the UK found it due to the type of random testing we do, but we seem to be getting the blame.
Though how any 'blame' can be assigned to a virus that mutates, I'm not sure. Typical of the UK germany had an explosion in infections a couple of weeks ago.I am 100% it did not start here,we just opened are big mouths being honest.Same with death numbers we are more honest and the sad knockers lap it up"
This 100% There are still countries using different criteria so their figures against others are meaningless.
Yet people still use them to stick the knife in the U.K. Get everyone reporting the same data & then see where we are.
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"Rather than blaming anyone else. Some people. Quite a large minority are choosing to spread this. To get on planes. To break quarantine, to break social distancing and so on. If you're blaming anyone. Blame the people who are choosing to spread this. Nobody else is doing this to us. We are doing this all to eachother.
To a large extent but kids are still in school it's impossible to keep a primary school covid safe, it would involve every pupil being followed round by someone in a full hazard suit, retail has been open, pubs have been open my parents personal carers still have to go from home to home. Now we have a new strain that has been found to be prevalent and easily spread among the young and schools we're obliged to remain open under threat of legal action. I'm of the opinion that it isn't only those who aren't quarantining or observing social distancing who are responsible.
How else do you think it spreads if not from close contact? "
How long does it live on hard surfaces? |
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"Rather than blaming anyone else. Some people. Quite a large minority are choosing to spread this. To get on planes. To break quarantine, to break social distancing and so on. If you're blaming anyone. Blame the people who are choosing to spread this. Nobody else is doing this to us. We are doing this all to eachother.
To a large extent but kids are still in school it's impossible to keep a primary school covid safe, it would involve every pupil being followed round by someone in a full hazard suit, retail has been open, pubs have been open my parents personal carers still have to go from home to home. Now we have a new strain that has been found to be prevalent and easily spread among the young and schools we're obliged to remain open under threat of legal action. I'm of the opinion that it isn't only those who aren't quarantining or observing social distancing who are responsible.
How else do you think it spreads if not from close contact?
How long does it live on hard surfaces? "
I don't know, but isn't that why we sanitise hands before, during or after? I personally don't go around touching lots of hard surfaces but on the occasions I do... I make sure to sanitise as soon as I can and not touch my face. So unless it's absorbed through the hands, in my case its quite low risk. |
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"Rather than blaming anyone else. Some people. Quite a large minority are choosing to spread this. To get on planes. To break quarantine, to break social distancing and so on. If you're blaming anyone. Blame the people who are choosing to spread this. Nobody else is doing this to us. We are doing this all to eachother.
To a large extent but kids are still in school it's impossible to keep a primary school covid safe, it would involve every pupil being followed round by someone in a full hazard suit, retail has been open, pubs have been open my parents personal carers still have to go from home to home. Now we have a new strain that has been found to be prevalent and easily spread among the young and schools we're obliged to remain open under threat of legal action. I'm of the opinion that it isn't only those who aren't quarantining or observing social distancing who are responsible.
How else do you think it spreads if not from close contact?
How long does it live on hard surfaces?
I don't know, but isn't that why we sanitise hands before, during or after? I personally don't go around touching lots of hard surfaces but on the occasions I do... I make sure to sanitise as soon as I can and not touch my face. So unless it's absorbed through the hands, in my case its quite low risk. "
We could go round in circles all day but my point really is that is isn't "just" the people who aren't observing social distancing etc to blame. |
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"Rather than blaming anyone else. Some people. Quite a large minority are choosing to spread this. To get on planes. To break quarantine, to break social distancing and so on. If you're blaming anyone. Blame the people who are choosing to spread this. Nobody else is doing this to us. We are doing this all to eachother.
To a large extent but kids are still in school it's impossible to keep a primary school covid safe, it would involve every pupil being followed round by someone in a full hazard suit, retail has been open, pubs have been open my parents personal carers still have to go from home to home. Now we have a new strain that has been found to be prevalent and easily spread among the young and schools we're obliged to remain open under threat of legal action. I'm of the opinion that it isn't only those who aren't quarantining or observing social distancing who are responsible.
How else do you think it spreads if not from close contact?
How long does it live on hard surfaces?
I don't know, but isn't that why we sanitise hands before, during or after? I personally don't go around touching lots of hard surfaces but on the occasions I do... I make sure to sanitise as soon as I can and not touch my face. So unless it's absorbed through the hands, in my case its quite low risk. "
Well clearly not everyone is living up to your high standards. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-new-strain-found-in-denmark-netherlands-and-australia-says-who-12169262
And has been for a while."
Well since the uk government have known this strain has been out there for 3 months... but didn’t talk it in a single press conference till Saturday.... 3 months of brits travelling around the world.... of course it will be in other places |
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"Rather than blaming anyone else. Some people. Quite a large minority are choosing to spread this. To get on planes. To break quarantine, to break social distancing and so on. If you're blaming anyone. Blame the people who are choosing to spread this. Nobody else is doing this to us. We are doing this all to eachother. "
Think you will find its a small Minority deliberating spreading it, they reckon upto one in three can show no symptoms, that makes up your large minority, most probably blissfully unaware they are even infected, going about thier daily lives mainly within the parameters set out in the guidelines |
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"Isnt it a given that a virus mutates to make transmission easier for itself. Not new news I suspect. "
And in some cases viruses actually screw up and mutate themselves into a much less deadly strain, which is one of the things we should all hope eventually happens |
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"Isnt it a given that a virus mutates to make transmission easier for itself. Not new news I suspect. "
Not always the case, but mutations that are conserved are more likely to be ones that help the pathogen perpetuate itself. The first SARS epidemic/pandemic burnt itself out because the virus was too efficient at killing its host. Haemorrhagic fevers like Ebola are much the same in that they also either kill the host or render it incapacitated and the outbreak dies down. The reason the epidemic of Ebola in Sierra Leone/Liberia in 2013-2016 was so concerning was the comparatively low fatality rate (for Ebola), at around 40%. Ebola is more typically above 70/80% fatal so it's concerning that it's evolving to allow humans to survive long enough to spread it further. But it's entirely logical from the evolutionary perspective. |
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"Isnt it a given that a virus mutates to make transmission easier for itself. Not new news I suspect.
And in some cases viruses actually screw up and mutate themselves into a much less deadly strain, which is one of the things we should all hope eventually happens"
This isn't a good thing. That's exactly what a coronavirus has done. This SARS virus is very closely related to the one from 2003 that had s very high fatality rate in East Asia. Covid-19 is what happens when viruses evolve to become less fatal. |
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So the mutation definitely originated from the UK? Or was it found there but originated in another country?
Are other countries doing the same level of genomic surveillance as the UK? |
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"Isnt it a given that a virus mutates to make transmission easier for itself. Not new news I suspect.
And in some cases viruses actually screw up and mutate themselves into a much less deadly strain, which is one of the things we should all hope eventually happens
This isn't a good thing. That's exactly what a coronavirus has done. This SARS virus is very closely related to the one from 2003 that had s very high fatality rate in East Asia. Covid-19 is what happens when viruses evolve to become less fatal."
Why is it not a good thing? |
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"195 countries on the globe.
Uk 7th highest for covid "
In order to try and make it a level playing field, you have to use figures of per million of population, then the UK is 20th in Europe and 47th in the world, for number of cases.
As for reporting many countries are trying to hide the correct figures for economic reasons |
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"https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-new-strain-found-in-denmark-netherlands-and-australia-says-who-12169262
And has been for a while.
Well since the uk government have known this strain has been out there for 3 months... but didn’t talk it in a single press conference till Saturday.... 3 months of brits travelling around the world.... of course it will be in other places "
This mutation was known about in March and was in the EU in June, the UK is not responsible alone for it's spread |
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"195 countries on the globe.
Uk 7th highest for covid
Oh but WE are an island
Oh but WE are densely populated
Oh but WE are being honest no one else is
Oh but WE are doing more tests
Can’t think of anymore excuses atm .... "
We don't comply |
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"195 countries on the globe.
Uk 7th highest for covid
Oh but WE are an island
Oh but WE are densely populated
Oh but WE are being honest no one else is
Oh but WE are doing more tests
Can’t think of anymore excuses atm ....
We don't comply"
With what? |
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"Rather than blaming anyone else. Some people. Quite a large minority are choosing to spread this. To get on planes. To break quarantine, to break social distancing and so on. If you're blaming anyone. Blame the people who are choosing to spread this. Nobody else is doing this to us. We are doing this all to eachother.
To a large extent but kids are still in school it's impossible to keep a primary school covid safe, it would involve every pupil being followed round by someone in a full hazard suit, retail has been open, pubs have been open my parents personal carers still have to go from home to home. Now we have a new strain that has been found to be prevalent and easily spread among the young and schools we're obliged to remain open under threat of legal action. I'm of the opinion that it isn't only those who aren't quarantining or observing social distancing who are responsible.
How else do you think it spreads if not from close contact?
How long does it live on hard surfaces?
I don't know, but isn't that why we sanitise hands before, during or after? I personally don't go around touching lots of hard surfaces but on the occasions I do... I make sure to sanitise as soon as I can and not touch my face. So unless it's absorbed through the hands, in my case its quite low risk.
We could go round in circles all day but my point really is that is isn't "just" the people who aren't observing social distancing etc to blame. "
We're still a little short on information about this new strain to be able to conclude too much. It may be that the current preventative measures aren't sufficient, for example. At 1 extreme, complete isolation of everybody from others should stop transmission. We've grasped its mutation types and some of the implications from these, especially related to how they can facilitate infection.
Not knowing how these many mutations occurred and have spread through different populations doesn't help us too much. I'm assuming that 1 or 2 people are the key source of the mutations but for it to be present in several countries suggests they or their contacts undertook interested travel. It's probably right that further travel limits are imposed, whilst each country does its best to reduce infection levels. Certainly, more research is underway on it, so we'll probably be in a much stronger position to manage this better in a few weeks. |
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"Rather than blaming anyone else. Some people. Quite a large minority are choosing to spread this. To get on planes. To break quarantine, to break social distancing and so on. If you're blaming anyone. Blame the people who are choosing to spread this. Nobody else is doing this to us. We are doing this all to eachother.
To a large extent but kids are still in school it's impossible to keep a primary school covid safe, it would involve every pupil being followed round by someone in a full hazard suit, retail has been open, pubs have been open my parents personal carers still have to go from home to home. Now we have a new strain that has been found to be prevalent and easily spread among the young and schools we're obliged to remain open under threat of legal action. I'm of the opinion that it isn't only those who aren't quarantining or observing social distancing who are responsible.
How else do you think it spreads if not from close contact?
How long does it live on hard surfaces?
I don't know, but isn't that why we sanitise hands before, during or after? I personally don't go around touching lots of hard surfaces but on the occasions I do... I make sure to sanitise as soon as I can and not touch my face. So unless it's absorbed through the hands, in my case its quite low risk.
We could go round in circles all day but my point really is that is isn't "just" the people who aren't observing social distancing etc to blame.
We're still a little short on information about this new strain to be able to conclude too much. It may be that the current preventative measures aren't sufficient, for example. At 1 extreme, complete isolation of everybody from others should stop transmission. We've grasped its mutation types and some of the implications from these, especially related to how they can facilitate infection.
Not knowing how these many mutations occurred and have spread through different populations doesn't help us too much. I'm assuming that 1 or 2 people are the key source of the mutations but for it to be present in several countries suggests they or their contacts undertook interested travel. It's probably right that further travel limits are imposed, whilst each country does its best to reduce infection levels. Certainly, more research is underway on it, so we'll probably be in a much stronger position to manage this better in a few weeks. "
Stop that! Posting sensible thoughts... |
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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago
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Everyone saying we are third, fifth whatever highest needs to stop watching/reading shit.
Pretty sure no ones gone around the world & said
“Right then so Edna in Bognor , Sven in Stockholm & Waylon in Miami know where they stand every country in the world will use the same criteria to record Population V Infections V Deaths”.
Four months ago if you were let out of a German hospital with a negative result after suffering Covid & dropped dead 48hrs later you were not recorded as a Covid death it was your underlying health issue.
Batting around figures that don’t use the same criteria to record them is pretty much a waste of time.
But it does give some a stick to hit the Government with or a spoon to stir the shit.
Had a call from a mate yesterday
“Did you know it’s up to xyz in our county?”
“No it’s not”
“Why isn’t it?”
“Because it’s xyz per 100,00 people”
“So?”
“Well seeing as only 73,000 people live in our county it’s not xyz it’s uvw just over a quarter less”.
“Oh”.
The devil is in the detail as they say.
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"Everyone saying we are third, fifth whatever highest needs to stop watching/reading shit.
Pretty sure no ones gone around the world & said
“Right then so Edna in Bognor , Sven in Stockholm & Waylon in Miami know where they stand every country in the world will use the same criteria to record Population V Infections V Deaths”.
Four months ago if you were let out of a German hospital with a negative result after suffering Covid & dropped dead 48hrs later you were not recorded as a Covid death it was your underlying health issue.
Batting around figures that don’t use the same criteria to record them is pretty much a waste of time.
But it does give some a stick to hit the Government with or a spoon to stir the shit.
Had a call from a mate yesterday
“Did you know it’s up to xyz in our county?”
“No it’s not”
“Why isn’t it?”
“Because it’s xyz per 100,00 people”
“So?”
“Well seeing as only 73,000 people live in our county it’s not xyz it’s uvw just over a quarter less”.
“Oh”.
The devil is in the detail as they say.
S
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"Isnt it a given that a virus mutates to make transmission easier for itself. Not new news I suspect.
And in some cases viruses actually screw up and mutate themselves into a much less deadly strain, which is one of the things we should all hope eventually happens
This isn't a good thing. That's exactly what a coronavirus has done. This SARS virus is very closely related to the one from 2003 that had s very high fatality rate in East Asia. Covid-19 is what happens when viruses evolve to become less fatal.
Why is it not a good thing?"
Because it infects more people, therefore greater morbidity (and we don't know the long term consequences of having Covid). Bizarrely, a more lethal virus that caused greater mortality per 100,000 would probably not have spread around the world so much and would probably have burnt itself out without having caused the deaths of as many people overall. Yes, the case fatality rate would be higher, but there would be far fewer cases in total. |
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"https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-new-strain-found-in-denmark-netherlands-and-australia-says-who-12169262
And has been for a while.
Well since the uk government have known this strain has been out there for 3 months... but didn’t talk it in a single press conference till Saturday.... 3 months of brits travelling around the world.... of course it will be in other places
This mutation was known about in March and was in the EU in June, the UK is not responsible alone for it's spread"
The variant strain currently causing concern includes many mutations in a new combination. The origins have been phylogenetically traced back to September. Can you supply evidence this variant was known about in March, please? |
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"https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-new-strain-found-in-denmark-netherlands-and-australia-says-who-12169262
And has been for a while.
Well since the uk government have known this strain has been out there for 3 months... but didn’t talk it in a single press conference till Saturday.... 3 months of brits travelling around the world.... of course it will be in other places
This mutation was known about in March and was in the EU in June, the UK is not responsible alone for it's spread
The variant strain currently causing concern includes many mutations in a new combination. The origins have been phylogenetically traced back to September. Can you supply evidence this variant was known about in March, please?"
The link i did provide was to a Nova.bg article in which a Bulgarian professor announced on morning TV, "This mutation had been in Bulgaria since June" |
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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago
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"Everyone saying we are third, fifth whatever highest needs to stop watching/reading shit.
Pretty sure no ones gone around the world & said
“Right then so Edna in Bognor , Sven in Stockholm & Waylon in Miami know where they stand every country in the world will use the same criteria to record Population V Infections V Deaths”.
Four months ago if you were let out of a German hospital with a negative result after suffering Covid & dropped dead 48hrs later you were not recorded as a Covid death it was your underlying health issue.
Batting around figures that don’t use the same criteria to record them is pretty much a waste of time.
But it does give some a stick to hit the Government with or a spoon to stir the shit.
Had a call from a mate yesterday
“Did you know it’s up to xyz in our county?”
“No it’s not”
“Why isn’t it?”
“Because it’s xyz per 100,00 people”
“So?”
“Well seeing as only 73,000 people live in our county it’s not xyz it’s uvw just over a quarter less”.
“Oh”.
The devil is in the detail as they say.
S
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Yes, they need to read less and people should also start to question things more, which many dont do. |
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"Everyone saying we are third, fifth whatever highest needs to stop watching/reading shit.
Pretty sure no ones gone around the world & said
“Right then so Edna in Bognor , Sven in Stockholm & Waylon in Miami know where they stand every country in the world will use the same criteria to record Population V Infections V Deaths”.
Four months ago if you were let out of a German hospital with a negative result after suffering Covid & dropped dead 48hrs later you were not recorded as a Covid death it was your underlying health issue.
Batting around figures that don’t use the same criteria to record them is pretty much a waste of time.
But it does give some a stick to hit the Government with or a spoon to stir the shit.
Had a call from a mate yesterday
“Did you know it’s up to xyz in our county?”
“No it’s not”
“Why isn’t it?”
“Because it’s xyz per 100,00 people”
“So?”
“Well seeing as only 73,000 people live in our county it’s not xyz it’s uvw just over a quarter less”.
“Oh”.
The devil is in the detail as they say.
S
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Getting the right data from the appropriate sources, then using it for beneficial means, cuts all of that - if it ever happens - out. We can cut sensationalist goading out, by the use of meaningful evidence, which those types may have limited scope for. |
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"So this time we are being punished for being too good at testing "
No we are being punished because Matt Wankcock announced to the world the new strain was ‘out of control’ !
Retard of the highest order ! |
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By *ustooCouple
over a year ago
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We shouldn’t announce to the world what’s happening in the UK let’s just get on with it and fix it, we are the leaders with a vaccine and an even better one coming soon, the Chinese where it all started are keeping quiet along with many other countries that are not telling the truth what’s going on in their countries where it’s even worse |
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By *dnlawCouple
over a year ago
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"Uk 2,049,147 cases; 1.7 million (83.3%) since end of July lockdown
Increased testing aside UK has failed
Pandemic budget cut by 40% amidst a decade of austerity
Track and trace failure
Daily lies on PPE - NHS staff had to publicly crowdfund
£16 million of faulty test kits purchased
Lost the EU memo to join other 27 countries in January to bulk purchase medical supplies
Cummings, Jenrick and now Elwood putting two fingers up to lockdown restrictions while 11.000 people have been fined.
‘I visited a hospital ward with covid patients and shook hands with everyone’
Boris Johnson 3rd March
Now a unique UK strain, can’t blame China for that.
Correct. No one is to blame for the mutated strain.
Because that's what viruses do, mutate.
Although you could blame the originators of C19 virus of course, without that, there would be no virus to mutate.
E"
The virus mutated from an animal host to a human viable version, possibly via 1 or now said to be several intermediary animal hosts pangolin etc. So it has been constantly mutating, but somewhere along the way, China & then UK & then S Africa have identified these 3 distinct strains whether due to diligence, better testing or by chance.
Ironic that these 3 countries are now being blamed.
We know that the 1st wave cases in UK originated from the continent, possibly Spain or Italy; the Chinese variant mainly dispersed in Asia & seemingly less virulent. |
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By *dnlawCouple
over a year ago
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"I'm interested to know where this strain originated from. Perhaps the UK found it due to the type of random testing we do, but we seem to be getting the blame.
Though how any 'blame' can be assigned to a virus that mutates, I'm not sure. "
Exactly.
Where a strain is identified doesn't necessarily mean it originated from there, but merely identified there firstly.
A case of blaming & punishing those (ie. the country) who have been the most diligent, in this case us in UK. Similar reason why it is impossible to determine exact origin in the first place, as there are myriad reports of covid like illnesses in Europe even in oct-nov last year. |
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According to wiki there are 7 different strains of covid , 4 that give mild symptoms and 3 that can be severe.
The mild 4 cause the common cold so I am assuming there are lots of mutations of these as you can catch the cold again and again. Like the flu mutates every year , the reason that you have to have a flu jab yearly?
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"Just goes to show that the main reason that other countries don’t come right out and say there’s a problem is what happened to the U.K. when they informed everyone else of a new variant  "
Did I miss something? What happened to the UK? Do you mean preventing travel to stop it spreading? Isn't that what should have happened? It's bizarre that we encourage the virus to spread globally with air travel and in the same breath prevent people from seeing their neighbours. |
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"Russia. China. Belarus. Brazil. Chile. Columbia. India. Bangladesh. Iran."
These arent countries who's governments were ever really associated as "having their shit together" though |
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"Russia. China. Belarus. Brazil. Chile. Columbia. India. Bangladesh. Iran.
These arent countries who's governments were ever really associated as "having their shit together" though"
And you think ours have ??
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"Russia. China. Belarus. Brazil. Chile. Columbia. India. Bangladesh. Iran.
These arent countries who's governments were ever really associated as "having their shit together" though
And you think ours have ??
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No my point is that saying well these countries have hidden their figures and we're not doing as badly as them is not really a comparison in the UKs favour |
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By *dnlawCouple
over a year ago
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"Russia. China. Belarus. Brazil. Chile. Columbia. India. Bangladesh. Iran.
These arent countries who's governments were ever really associated as "having their shit together" though
And you think ours have ??
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"Russia. China. Belarus. Brazil. Chile. Columbia. India. Bangladesh. Iran.
These arent countries who's governments were ever really associated as "having their shit together" though
And you think ours have ??
No my point is that saying well these countries have hidden their figures and we're not doing as badly as them is not really a comparison in the UKs favour "
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