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"So sorry to hear that. Absolutely horrendous. Anyone trying to downplay the seriousness of the pandemic, or giving credence to any conspiracy, needs to take a minute to get out of their own selfish heads and recognise the tragic cost of this horrible situation. " Absolutely. I get people are scared and don't want to believe this virus is a problem however as you said it puts lives at risks. | |||
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"Sorry to hear this OP Where on earth were they going to be'brainwashed'?" They associate with various weirdos online and there was a physical meeting in Warrington on 15th January, apparently. My Grandad was perfectly well on 15th January because I spoke to him. My Uncle spoke to him on Sunday 17th and he was also fine. By mid week, he started with mild symptoms and now this morning he is ill enough to need hospital treatment. | |||
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"Sorry to hear this OP Where on earth were they going to be'brainwashed'? They associate with various weirdos online and there was a physical meeting in Warrington on 15th January, apparently. My Grandad was perfectly well on 15th January because I spoke to him. My Uncle spoke to him on Sunday 17th and he was also fine. By mid week, he started with mild symptoms and now this morning he is ill enough to need hospital treatment." I hope someone reports and/or sues these weirdoes. | |||
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"Sorry to hear this OP Where on earth were they going to be'brainwashed'? They associate with various weirdos online and there was a physical meeting in Warrington on 15th January, apparently. My Grandad was perfectly well on 15th January because I spoke to him. My Uncle spoke to him on Sunday 17th and he was also fine. By mid week, he started with mild symptoms and now this morning he is ill enough to need hospital treatment. I hope someone reports and/or sues these weirdoes." Absolutely! | |||
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" Among all this, my mother continues to deny Covid exists and continues to spout her tripe and bile into the world. I don't understand how she can. " Me neither, does she not believe he has it? | |||
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" Among all this, my mother continues to deny Covid exists and continues to spout her tripe and bile into the world. I don't understand how she can. Me neither, does she not believe he has it?" I've read reports of Covid patients in US high dependency care screaming abuse at the people caring for them because they were being included in this conspiracy disease. In some cases dying of a disease they were adamant didn't exist. | |||
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" Among all this, my mother continues to deny Covid exists and continues to spout her tripe and bile into the world. I don't understand how she can. Me neither, does she not believe he has it?" No. She's just text me saying they both have viral pneumonia. When I replied to say, yes, they both have Covid, her reply was (verbatim) "They have pneumonia. Covid is a psyop. Won't you wake up." | |||
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"It's happened. I suppose it was inevitable. My conspiracy theorist mother and her husband, who live with my Grandad (age 89), went to a "training session" aka brain washing meeting on 15th January. Today, my Grandad has been admitted to hospital with Covid, on oxygen, IV antibiotics etc. My conspiracy theorist stepfather is also in hospital with Covid (he is 73). My mother and stepfather have both refused to wear masks throughout, claiming false exemption and have continued to fraternise with other members of their lunatic fringe. And now, they've done it. They've given my Grandad Covid and guess what? Today was his first appointment for the vaccine. He lives in a rural area and the area has been left far behind on the vaccine schedule. For comparison, my Dad received 2x doses of the Pfizer vaccine by 11th January. If my Grandad had the same, maybe he'd not have been ill at all, or more mildly. He has heart failure, kidney problems and so is a classic case for bad Covid. I just hope that his iron constitution, combined with the hard work of the doctors and nurses allow him to pull through. My stepfather on the other hand? Well, I won't say what I think. Among all this, my mother continues to deny Covid exists and continues to spout her tripe and bile into the world. I don't understand how she can. I'm just so angry "Unbalievable you have my deepest sympathy.It is hard to believe | |||
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" Among all this, my mother continues to deny Covid exists and continues to spout her tripe and bile into the world. I don't understand how she can. Me neither, does she not believe he has it? No. She's just text me saying they both have viral pneumonia. When I replied to say, yes, they both have Covid, her reply was (verbatim) "They have pneumonia. Covid is a psyop. Won't you wake up."" 
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" Among all this, my mother continues to deny Covid exists and continues to spout her tripe and bile into the world. I don't understand how she can. Me neither, does she not believe he has it? No. She's just text me saying they both have viral pneumonia. When I replied to say, yes, they both have Covid, her reply was (verbatim) "They have pneumonia. Covid is a psyop. Won't you wake up."" WOW! I'm so sorry and you must be livid. She really has been indoctrinated hasn't she.  | |||
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"Im sorry to hear about your grandad. I've always thought that people who didn't believe covid was real would soon change their minds when a relative became ill. This is obviously not always the case, she has been taken in by some very strange people! " She'll deny it even when they are both in wooden boxes. Nothing will change her mind. Anyone who thinks conspiracy theorists can be talked around - well, many cannot. | |||
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"Im sorry to hear about your grandad. I've always thought that people who didn't believe covid was real would soon change their minds when a relative became ill. This is obviously not always the case, she has been taken in by some very strange people! She'll deny it even when they are both in wooden boxes. Nothing will change her mind. Anyone who thinks conspiracy theorists can be talked around - well, many cannot." This is very sad and feel for you so much . You are a lovely person. Anyone who has your love is extremely lucky x | |||
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" Among all this, my mother continues to deny Covid exists and continues to spout her tripe and bile into the world. I don't understand how she can. Me neither, does she not believe he has it? No. She's just text me saying they both have viral pneumonia. When I replied to say, yes, they both have Covid, her reply was (verbatim) "They have pneumonia. Covid is a psyop. Won't you wake up."" Even for a layperson that would be frustrating and annoying given an elderly loved one is in hospital, for someone who has a professional scientific background I can't begin to imagine the angst.. Fingers crossed your Grandfather is ok.. | |||
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"And now an email with a link to a video about how it's not real yadda yadda. This, when her husband and father are in hospital with it. Beggars belief. Oh, and she wants to Skype at the weekend........ Errrrr no." I'd put myself up for adoption if I was you  | |||
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"And now an email with a link to a video about how it's not real yadda yadda. This, when her husband and father are in hospital with it. Beggars belief. Oh, and she wants to Skype at the weekend........ Errrrr no." I just... I'm so sorry | |||
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"It's happened. I suppose it was inevitable. My conspiracy theorist mother and her husband, who live with my Grandad (age 89), went to a "training session" aka brain washing meeting on 15th January. Today, my Grandad has been admitted to hospital with Covid, on oxygen, IV antibiotics etc. My conspiracy theorist stepfather is also in hospital with Covid (he is 73). My mother and stepfather have both refused to wear masks throughout, claiming false exemption and have continued to fraternise with other members of their lunatic fringe. And now, they've done it. They've given my Grandad Covid and guess what? Today was his first appointment for the vaccine. He lives in a rural area and the area has been left far behind on the vaccine schedule. For comparison, my Dad received 2x doses of the Pfizer vaccine by 11th January. If my Grandad had the same, maybe he'd not have been ill at all, or more mildly. He has heart failure, kidney problems and so is a classic case for bad Covid. I just hope that his iron constitution, combined with the hard work of the doctors and nurses allow him to pull through. My stepfather on the other hand? Well, I won't say what I think. Among all this, my mother continues to deny Covid exists and continues to spout her tripe and bile into the world. I don't understand how she can. I'm just so angry "When they dont believe, they dont believe no matter what. Hope everyone pulls through safely. | |||
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"And now an email with a link to a video about how it's not real yadda yadda. This, when her husband and father are in hospital with it. Beggars belief. Oh, and she wants to Skype at the weekend........ Errrrr no." I've said this before, I think they're just scared and in denial, they can't handle the truth so create and believe stories they think makes sense. Even in the face of it, the denial continues, it's how their minds deal with it. | |||
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" Among all this, my mother continues to deny Covid exists and continues to spout her tripe and bile into the world. I don't understand how she can. Me neither, does she not believe he has it? No. She's just text me saying they both have viral pneumonia. When I replied to say, yes, they both have Covid, her reply was (verbatim) "They have pneumonia. Covid is a psyop. Won't you wake up."" Why not just go along with what she says? Sometimes it's easier. Make the mmmmm hmmmm noises as though you agree, wait a beat, then change the subject. They are both ill and probably getting wonderful care in hospital. What she thinks doesn't matter anymore. X | |||
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"Sorry to hear this OP Where on earth were they going to be'brainwashed'? They associate with various weirdos online and there was a physical meeting in Warrington on 15th January, apparently. My Grandad was perfectly well on 15th January because I spoke to him. My Uncle spoke to him on Sunday 17th and he was also fine. By mid week, he started with mild symptoms and now this morning he is ill enough to need hospital treatment." Surely it's against the rules to have a physical meeting...I hope and pray that your lovely Grandad pulls through {{hugs}} xx | |||
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"And now an email with a link to a video about how it's not real yadda yadda. This, when her husband and father are in hospital with it. Beggars belief. Oh, and she wants to Skype at the weekend........ Errrrr no. I've said this before, I think they're just scared and in denial, they can't handle the truth so create and believe stories they think makes sense. Even in the face of it, the denial continues, it's how their minds deal with it. " Agreed. But it still does enormous harm. | |||
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"And now an email with a link to a video about how it's not real yadda yadda. This, when her husband and father are in hospital with it. Beggars belief. Oh, and she wants to Skype at the weekend........ Errrrr no. I've said this before, I think they're just scared and in denial, they can't handle the truth so create and believe stories they think makes sense. Even in the face of it, the denial continues, it's how their minds deal with it. Agreed. But it still does enormous harm." Definitely. And social media helps it spread to more and more. | |||
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"And now an email with a link to a video about how it's not real yadda yadda. This, when her husband and father are in hospital with it. Beggars belief. Oh, and she wants to Skype at the weekend........ Errrrr no. I've said this before, I think they're just scared and in denial, they can't handle the truth so create and believe stories they think makes sense. Even in the face of it, the denial continues, it's how their minds deal with it. Agreed. But it still does enormous harm. Definitely. And social media helps it spread to more and more. " Careless talk costs lives. Never a truer word Im so very sorry OP. Sending hugs and prayers | |||
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I'm gonna take a shower, gather my thoughts and have a little cry.
I can't begin to imagine how ragey/frustrated/helpless/worried you must be feeling | |||
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"I've only just seen this...
I'm gonna take a shower, gather my thoughts and have a little cry.
I can't begin to imagine how ragey/frustrated/helpless/worried you must be feeling "Thank you Peachy. I've just pushed 5 miles in the hope of clearing my head. About to call the hospital after I've changed my mucky clothes and see how he is. | |||
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"It's happened. I suppose it was inevitable. My conspiracy theorist mother and her husband, who live with my Grandad (age 89), went to a "training session" aka brain washing meeting on 15th January. Today, my Grandad has been admitted to hospital with Covid, on oxygen, IV antibiotics etc. My conspiracy theorist stepfather is also in hospital with Covid (he is 73). My mother and stepfather have both refused to wear masks throughout, claiming false exemption and have continued to fraternise with other members of their lunatic fringe. And now, they've done it. They've given my Grandad Covid and guess what? Today was his first appointment for the vaccine. He lives in a rural area and the area has been left far behind on the vaccine schedule. For comparison, my Dad received 2x doses of the Pfizer vaccine by 11th January. If my Grandad had the same, maybe he'd not have been ill at all, or more mildly. He has heart failure, kidney problems and so is a classic case for bad Covid. I just hope that his iron constitution, combined with the hard work of the doctors and nurses allow him to pull through. My stepfather on the other hand? Well, I won't say what I think. Among all this, my mother continues to deny Covid exists and continues to spout her tripe and bile into the world. I don't understand how she can. I'm just so angry "I totally get this is a family member & it hurts to lose someone, that affects everyone. Passing a virus on be it covid or otherwise was always the case, we just did it blindly because no testing was done, at any point could anyone of us have passed it onto a vulnerable person & result in death, people die, look at all the other things you mentioned that he has wrong with him, his body is giving up because it is old. It's part of nature as unfortunate as that maybe. | |||
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"It's happened. I suppose it was inevitable. My conspiracy theorist mother and her husband, who live with my Grandad (age 89), went to a "training session" aka brain washing meeting on 15th January. Today, my Grandad has been admitted to hospital with Covid, on oxygen, IV antibiotics etc. My conspiracy theorist stepfather is also in hospital with Covid (he is 73). My mother and stepfather have both refused to wear masks throughout, claiming false exemption and have continued to fraternise with other members of their lunatic fringe. And now, they've done it. They've given my Grandad Covid and guess what? Today was his first appointment for the vaccine. He lives in a rural area and the area has been left far behind on the vaccine schedule. For comparison, my Dad received 2x doses of the Pfizer vaccine by 11th January. If my Grandad had the same, maybe he'd not have been ill at all, or more mildly. He has heart failure, kidney problems and so is a classic case for bad Covid. I just hope that his iron constitution, combined with the hard work of the doctors and nurses allow him to pull through. My stepfather on the other hand? Well, I won't say what I think. Among all this, my mother continues to deny Covid exists and continues to spout her tripe and bile into the world. I don't understand how she can. I'm just so angry
I totally get this is a family member & it hurts to lose someone, that affects everyone.
Passing a virus on be it covid or otherwise was always the case, we just did it blindly because no testing was done, at any point could anyone of us have passed it onto a vulnerable person & result in death, people die, look at all the other things you mentioned that he has wrong with him, his body is giving up because it is old. It's part of nature as unfortunate as that maybe. "No, if my mother and her husband had done what the rules say - stayed home, worn masks in the supermarket and not attended conspiracy theorist meeting groups (probably in someone's front room) then my Grandad would not have contracted Covid. I'm fully aware of the circle of life and that he will die one day. But to deliberately put him at risk just before he was about to receive the vaccine, FFS, makes their behaviour unforgivable. This is not the first time their conspiracy theories have caused serious harm to family members but this is perhaps the worst. | |||
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"Hmm, in a way they are kind of right as it is a varient of the flu virus BUT if there's a strain of flu/covid going around thats more dangerous, remember swine flu and norovirus sensible to protect yourself, hence hands, and space. The more you socialise the chance you have of picking up, common sense will tell you that. Hope they make a recovery, and can think of there actions. Hugs to you " It is not a variant of flu. It's an entirely different family of viruses. The two are utterly unconnected. Nor is it Norovirus or anything else. His infection with it, seeing as he has not left the house since November, has been entirely avoidable and if his final moments are gasping for air in s hospital ward, with only medical staff able to comfort him through PPE, I shall never forgive my mother and stepfather. I honestly couldn't care less what happens to him. | |||
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"Hmm, in a way they are kind of right as it is a varient of the flu virus BUT if there's a strain of flu/covid going around thats more dangerous, remember swine flu and norovirus sensible to protect yourself, hence hands, and space. The more you socialise the chance you have of picking up, common sense will tell you that. Hope they make a recovery, and can think of there actions. Hugs to you It is not a variant of flu. It's an entirely different family of viruses. The two are utterly unconnected. Nor is it Norovirus or anything else. His infection with it, seeing as he has not left the house since November, has been entirely avoidable and if his final moments are gasping for air in s hospital ward, with only medical staff able to comfort him through PPE, I shall never forgive my mother and stepfather. I honestly couldn't care less what happens to him." Thats really horrid to see and can't blame you for being upset as well as being angry. Inbox always open if you want to rant | |||
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"Good news of a sort. I've just spoken to the ward and they think he's doing well, under the circumstances. His infection markers are improving, he's still on O2 with sats a bit too low but is sat up, talking. He spoke to me briefly and he said they're looking after him well. He's incredibly tough and so hopefully, he'll battle his way through. He is also very cross with my mother. " A sigh of relief for now. If it's his house I'd bloody kick her out if I were him. | |||
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"Good news of a sort. I've just spoken to the ward and they think he's doing well, under the circumstances. His infection markers are improving, he's still on O2 with sats a bit too low but is sat up, talking. He spoke to me briefly and he said they're looking after him well. He's incredibly tough and so hopefully, he'll battle his way through. He is also very cross with my mother. A sigh of relief for now. If it's his house I'd bloody kick her out if I were him." He's tried. They're otherwise homeless, hence why they moved in (by stealth). My uncle has asked them to leave (again) and was met with abuse, per usual. It's something we will have to deal with. | |||
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"Good news of a sort. I've just spoken to the ward and they think he's doing well, under the circumstances. His infection markers are improving, he's still on O2 with sats a bit too low but is sat up, talking. He spoke to me briefly and he said they're looking after him well. He's incredibly tough and so hopefully, he'll battle his way through. He is also very cross with my mother. "  he’s hoping it all keeps moving in the right direction | |||
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"Good news of a sort. I've just spoken to the ward and they think he's doing well, under the circumstances. His infection markers are improving, he's still on O2 with sats a bit too low but is sat up, talking. He spoke to me briefly and he said they're looking after him well. He's incredibly tough and so hopefully, he'll battle his way through. He is also very cross with my mother. "  | |||
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"Good news of a sort. I've just spoken to the ward and they think he's doing well, under the circumstances. His infection markers are improving, he's still on O2 with sats a bit too low but is sat up, talking. He spoke to me briefly and he said they're looking after him well. He's incredibly tough and so hopefully, he'll battle his way through. He is also very cross with my mother. " Really great to hear that he is improving. I cannot begin to imagine being in the situation you are in with your mother and stepfather and can only hope that they turn their ideas around. | |||
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"Good news of a sort. I've just spoken to the ward and they think he's doing well, under the circumstances. His infection markers are improving, he's still on O2 with sats a bit too low but is sat up, talking. He spoke to me briefly and he said they're looking after him well. He's incredibly tough and so hopefully, he'll battle his way through. He is also very cross with my mother. A sigh of relief for now. If it's his house I'd bloody kick her out if I were him. He's tried. They're otherwise homeless, hence why they moved in (by stealth). My uncle has asked them to leave (again) and was met with abuse, per usual. It's something we will have to deal with." I hope they get the fuck out after putting him in hospital | |||
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"Awful to hear. It highlights the importance of good education as well as - in my opinion - restrictions on the rampage of dangerous activities, including wilfully and dangerously misleading others "
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" I've said this before, I think they're just scared and in denial, they can't handle the truth so create and believe stories they think makes sense. Even in the face of it, the denial continues, it's how their minds deal with it. " This. Spot on. I'm sorry for the OP and hope her GF pulls through, along with the rest of the family. By all account rationalising them out of a position they didn't rationalise themselves in to isn't going to work. What clearly worked on them to get them in to an entrenched mindset was FUD. Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt. Since those tools worked to get them in to the mindset, they will work to get them out of it. Great care and subtlety is needed in wielding these tools. Don't attack the believers of the message. Undermine the prophets of the message. Leave a trail of breadcrumbs for them to follow and come to their own conclusions of their own accord. There are many great resources on "deprogramming" folks who have lived in cults, including tales of ex-cult members who have said what worked for them. This group of deniers is dangerous, and demonstrably so. Find out about the Ring Leader and their control and command structure. Look for weaknesses, target them and exploit them and undermine them. Search newspapers for their names. Look for misdemeanours and criminal activity. Ask friends, acquaintances. Build a profile. Befriend people on the periphery. Listen. Learn. I would not advise getting too close. Keep it all at a distance. A lot of research can be done without even their knowledge. This is not a deep-cover infil exercise. Leave that to the movies or the professionals. If a paper says "Mr X (Ringleader) was done for ABC, scrapbook it. That's verifiable. If person Y says Mr X also did 123, verify it elsewhere with additional correlation from other sources. When you have enough information, plan a strategy for drip feeding it. Don't dump the whole lot in one go, it will clearly be a character assassination and fall flat on its face. Plant seeds of doubt. Water them. Watch them grow. Cultivate them. Prune them, Encourage the most promising shoots. Remove the dead wood. Measure and gauge reaction. See what piques interest or they ignore. Nurture, tend, develop. Yes, it's a lot of work. But then so is "converting" people to a belief that is not in their best interests. You are essentially "counter-converting" with the same tools (FUD) the radicalisers are using and have used to undermine your family's trust in you. It's not going to be easy, and you may not even have the energy or the will, which is fair enough. But if you do, know that there are tools and organisations who can help. I wish you all the best. | |||
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"Good news of a sort. I've just spoken to the ward and they think he's doing well, under the circumstances. His infection markers are improving, he's still on O2 with sats a bit too low but is sat up, talking. He spoke to me briefly and he said they're looking after him well. He's incredibly tough and so hopefully, he'll battle his way through. He is also very cross with my mother. " If your grandfather wants them out what you and your uncle ned to do is gather there shit up dump it out the front in bags and change the locks.sounds harsh yea but from reading some of your posts itsthe only way your gona get them out of his house because the pair of them sound like they cant be reasoned with.yea it will cause bad feeling between your family but by the sounds of it that bad feelingis already there.difficult situation i know butsome people wont listen to reason | |||
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"Great quote about the vaccine from Arnold Schwazenegger here: https://images.app.goo.gl/scpCJWLWG4UmL6rX6 " Great quote. Agree with it all. And if it gets real bad, get to the chopper. | |||
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"It's happened. I suppose it was inevitable. My conspiracy theorist mother and her husband, who live with my Grandad (age 89), went to a "training session" aka brain washing meeting on 15th January. Today, my Grandad has been admitted to hospital with Covid, on oxygen, IV antibiotics etc. My conspiracy theorist stepfather is also in hospital with Covid (he is 73). My mother and stepfather have both refused to wear masks throughout, claiming false exemption and have continued to fraternise with other members of their lunatic fringe. And now, they've done it. They've given my Grandad Covid and guess what? Today was his first appointment for the vaccine. He lives in a rural area and the area has been left far behind on the vaccine schedule. For comparison, my Dad received 2x doses of the Pfizer vaccine by 11th January. If my Grandad had the same, maybe he'd not have been ill at all, or more mildly. He has heart failure, kidney problems and so is a classic case for bad Covid. I just hope that his iron constitution, combined with the hard work of the doctors and nurses allow him to pull through. My stepfather on the other hand? Well, I won't say what I think. Among all this, my mother continues to deny Covid exists and continues to spout her tripe and bile into the world. I don't understand how she can. I'm just so angry "I feel so sorry for you, and know how you feel. My uncle has generally down played the virus, he tested positive 3 weeks ago, and is still ill. His wife and brother have it. his wife went to hospital was released and went back yesterday. My uncle probably should be in hospital as his breath is supposedly getting shorter. I just don't know what to say, can't really say "told you so" to somebody I love who could be potentially extremely ill.. and has been so fucking ignorant. I'm just angry. Stupidity is the main reason we're struggling in this country to contain covid. | |||
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"Best wishes to you and yours OP. Really hope everyone pulls through, especially Grandad. Without wanting to cause any more family disharmony, the fact that grandad lives with your mum and she's shown such wilful disregard for his health and wellbeing is a clear safeguarding issue. Have you thought about speaking to your local adult social care team about your concerns? Also, and apologies if this has already been mentioned, what does Grandad think about Covid-19? Sending you big virtual hugs. " Oh my Grandad is perfectly realistic and sensible. He knows Covid exists. He reads his newspaper every day and has his tablet computer where he reads things online and he's perfectly able to discern truth from bollocks. He might not have had a proper formal education (he joined the Army at 14) but he's very intelligent and well read. I discussed exactly the safeguarding issue with the hospital last night and my uncle (who Grandad has ensured is next of kin) and I will be trying to resolve the issue before he goes home. The problem is my uncle lives on the South coast and my Grandad in Cumbria. I am physically disabled and not able to support him on my own anymore. He needs help with household tasks like cooking now, because he hasn't got the stamina to stand and do those things. He's always refused the idea of external carers going in but he might have to rethink that. | |||
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"Thank you everyone for your message here and in private. I'm waiting on tenterhooks for my uncle to provide an update (we're taking "shifts" on ringing the hospital) but I know that the fact no-one has called me overnight is good news. " Best wishes, my lovely x | |||
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"Best wishes to you and yours OP. Really hope everyone pulls through, especially Grandad. Without wanting to cause any more family disharmony, the fact that grandad lives with your mum and she's shown such wilful disregard for his health and wellbeing is a clear safeguarding issue. Have you thought about speaking to your local adult social care team about your concerns? Also, and apologies if this has already been mentioned, what does Grandad think about Covid-19? Sending you big virtual hugs. Oh my Grandad is perfectly realistic and sensible. He knows Covid exists. He reads his newspaper every day and has his tablet computer where he reads things online and he's perfectly able to discern truth from bollocks. He might not have had a proper formal education (he joined the Army at 14) but he's very intelligent and well read. I discussed exactly the safeguarding issue with the hospital last night and my uncle (who Grandad has ensured is next of kin) and I will be trying to resolve the issue before he goes home. The problem is my uncle lives on the South coast and my Grandad in Cumbria. I am physically disabled and not able to support him on my own anymore. He needs help with household tasks like cooking now, because he hasn't got the stamina to stand and do those things. He's always refused the idea of external carers going in but he might have to rethink that." I really hope things get sorted for you and glad you were able to speak to the hospital staff about your concerns. I wonder if this situation might be a bit of a shock to the system for grandad and he's more open to help from other sources going forward? I get frustrated enough with anti vaccine / covid deniers on social media, so God only knows how it must be for you in the real world. Stay strong, you're doing the best you can under extremely challenging circumstances! X | |||
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"Great quote about the vaccine from Arnold Schwazenegger here: https://images.app.goo.gl/scpCJWLWG4UmL6rX6 " Brilliant | |||
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"Best wishes to you and yours OP. Really hope everyone pulls through, especially Grandad. Without wanting to cause any more family disharmony, the fact that grandad lives with your mum and she's shown such wilful disregard for his health and wellbeing is a clear safeguarding issue. Have you thought about speaking to your local adult social care team about your concerns? Also, and apologies if this has already been mentioned, what does Grandad think about Covid-19? Sending you big virtual hugs. Oh my Grandad is perfectly realistic and sensible. He knows Covid exists. He reads his newspaper every day and has his tablet computer where he reads things online and he's perfectly able to discern truth from bollocks. He might not have had a proper formal education (he joined the Army at 14) but he's very intelligent and well read. I discussed exactly the safeguarding issue with the hospital last night and my uncle (who Grandad has ensured is next of kin) and I will be trying to resolve the issue before he goes home. The problem is my uncle lives on the South coast and my Grandad in Cumbria. I am physically disabled and not able to support him on my own anymore. He needs help with household tasks like cooking now, because he hasn't got the stamina to stand and do those things. He's always refused the idea of external carers going in but he might have to rethink that. I really hope things get sorted for you and glad you were able to speak to the hospital staff about your concerns. I wonder if this situation might be a bit of a shock to the system for grandad and he's more open to help from other sources going forward? I get frustrated enough with anti vaccine / covid deniers on social media, so God only knows how it must be for you in the real world. Stay strong, you're doing the best you can under extremely challenging circumstances! X" I fully agree with this it may also be worth contacting adult social services to see what support he could be offered when he goes home. X | |||
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"OP I can't begin to understand what you're goung through. My family are doing everything they can ti keep safe and my gran has recently had her first Covid jab. I'm pleased that you are already speaking to the hospital social work team about safeguarding yoyr grandad. It's really important that some action is taken to remove your mum and her husband (if he pulls through) from his house. There will be support available for them being made homeless and I would be happy to offer advice on this via pm if that helpsin any way. Take care xxx" Thank you, Guenevere. I might well ask you, theirs is a long, long story | |||
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"OP I can't begin to understand what you're goung through. My family are doing everything they can ti keep safe and my gran has recently had her first Covid jab. I'm pleased that you are already speaking to the hospital social work team about safeguarding yoyr grandad. It's really important that some action is taken to remove your mum and her husband (if he pulls through) from his house. There will be support available for them being made homeless and I would be happy to offer advice on this via pm if that helpsin any way. Take care xxx Thank you, Guenevere. I might well ask you, theirs is a long, long story "That's very often the case 
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"Latest update via my uncle is positive. In the words of the nurse who spoke to him "he is defying medical knowledge". He's spent a bit of time off oxygen today and what he's still having is a low flow. They're going to try and stop that entirely over the next few days. He's been walking with a frame (prior to this, he walked unaided in the house). All good. My mother refuses to tell us how my stepfather is. He was taken to a different ward in the same hospital. I suspect that might be ICU and I suspect he is in a worse state than Grandad. My mother's blinkers stop her seeing what's happening in front of her face. Also good news is we are allowed to drop things off for him at the hospital reception so I'll be taking him some bits tomorrow. Nothing can be taken in from his house, where my mother is supposed to be isolating." Are you close to your stepfather? Good news about your grandad. Hope your mother is isolating, whether she has symptoms or not. | |||
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"Latest update via my uncle is positive. In the words of the nurse who spoke to him "he is defying medical knowledge". He's spent a bit of time off oxygen today and what he's still having is a low flow. They're going to try and stop that entirely over the next few days. He's been walking with a frame (prior to this, he walked unaided in the house). All good. My mother refuses to tell us how my stepfather is. He was taken to a different ward in the same hospital. I suspect that might be ICU and I suspect he is in a worse state than Grandad. My mother's blinkers stop her seeing what's happening in front of her face. Also good news is we are allowed to drop things off for him at the hospital reception so I'll be taking him some bits tomorrow. Nothing can be taken in from his house, where my mother is supposed to be isolating. Are you close to your stepfather? Good news about your grandad. Hope your mother is isolating, whether she has symptoms or not. " No, I am not close to my stepfather really. He is also a conspiracy theorist and has become an unpleasant person in the past years. I tolerated him as a youth, although I did throw a yoghurt at him once (justified). I don't know what my mother is doing, but I'm fairly confident that if she thinks she needs to go to ASDA, she will. She doesn't listen to figures in authority telling her to do anything. | |||
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"Latest update via my uncle is positive. In the words of the nurse who spoke to him "he is defying medical knowledge". He's spent a bit of time off oxygen today and what he's still having is a low flow. They're going to try and stop that entirely over the next few days. He's been walking with a frame (prior to this, he walked unaided in the house). All good. My mother refuses to tell us how my stepfather is. He was taken to a different ward in the same hospital. I suspect that might be ICU and I suspect he is in a worse state than Grandad. My mother's blinkers stop her seeing what's happening in front of her face. Also good news is we are allowed to drop things off for him at the hospital reception so I'll be taking him some bits tomorrow. Nothing can be taken in from his house, where my mother is supposed to be isolating. Are you close to your stepfather? Good news about your grandad. Hope your mother is isolating, whether she has symptoms or not. No, I am not close to my stepfather really. He is also a conspiracy theorist and has become an unpleasant person in the past years. I tolerated him as a youth, although I did throw a yoghurt at him once (justified). I don't know what my mother is doing, but I'm fairly confident that if she thinks she needs to go to ASDA, she will. She doesn't listen to figures in authority telling her to do anything. " XXX | |||
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" Among all this, my mother continues to deny Covid exists and continues to spout her tripe and bile into the world. I don't understand how she can. Me neither, does she not believe he has it? No. She's just text me saying they both have viral pneumonia. When I replied to say, yes, they both have Covid, her reply was (verbatim) "They have pneumonia. Covid is a psyop. Won't you wake up."" Sadly it is your mother that’s has fallen for the psyop rather than reality. It’s very sad | |||
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"Latest update via my uncle is positive. In the words of the nurse who spoke to him "he is defying medical knowledge". He's spent a bit of time off oxygen today and what he's still having is a low flow. They're going to try and stop that entirely over the next few days. He's been walking with a frame (prior to this, he walked unaided in the house). All good. My mother refuses to tell us how my stepfather is. He was taken to a different ward in the same hospital. I suspect that might be ICU and I suspect he is in a worse state than Grandad. My mother's blinkers stop her seeing what's happening in front of her face. Also good news is we are allowed to drop things off for him at the hospital reception so I'll be taking him some bits tomorrow. Nothing can be taken in from his house, where my mother is supposed to be isolating." If she isn’t isolating send the builders round tonight with instructions to brick up the windows and doors... | |||
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"My mother has refused to put a bag of items together for Grandad, for a family friend who lives locally to deliver. She says she'll deliver herself or no one will. She also thinks she'll be collecting my stepfather by car if he's released (apparently he's recovering fairly well, apart from the diabetes). She's bonkers." Presume she has no symptoms yet then. Or if she has she's probably not admitting it. | |||
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"My mother has refused to put a bag of items together for Grandad, for a family friend who lives locally to deliver. She says she'll deliver herself or no one will. She also thinks she'll be collecting my stepfather by car if he's released (apparently he's recovering fairly well, apart from the diabetes). She's bonkers." | |||
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"My mother has refused to put a bag of items together for Grandad, for a family friend who lives locally to deliver. She says she'll deliver herself or no one will. She also thinks she'll be collecting my stepfather by car if he's released (apparently he's recovering fairly well, apart from the diabetes). She's bonkers. Presume she has no symptoms yet then. Or if she has she's probably not admitting it. "She wouldn't admit either way, I'm sure. | |||
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"My mother has refused to put a bag of items together for Grandad, for a family friend who lives locally to deliver. She says she'll deliver herself or no one will. She also thinks she'll be collecting my stepfather by car if he's released (apparently he's recovering fairly well, apart from the diabetes). She's bonkers." As awful as it may sound it sounds like she needs reporting for not self isolating. | |||
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"My mother has refused to put a bag of items together for Grandad, for a family friend who lives locally to deliver. She says she'll deliver herself or no one will. She also thinks she'll be collecting my stepfather by car if he's released (apparently he's recovering fairly well, apart from the diabetes). She's bonkers. As awful as it may sound it sounds like she needs reporting for not self isolating. "I've no evidence that's she's NOT self isolated yet. Only that she said if she wouldn't be allowed to go and take the things, then she wouldn't leave them in the porch for someone else to take. I've not personally spoken to her at all. That info came from my uncle who DID speak to her and got a load of abuse on the phone. | |||
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"My mother has refused to put a bag of items together for Grandad, for a family friend who lives locally to deliver. She says she'll deliver herself or no one will. She also thinks she'll be collecting my stepfather by car if he's released (apparently he's recovering fairly well, apart from the diabetes). She's bonkers." When my mum was in hospital recently we were only allowed to take a bag to the hospital reception (it took 48 hours to reach her but that's another story). On the day she was discharged a nurse on her ward tested positive for covid. In had to argue with the hospital to get ambulance transport for her because they wanted me to take her home in my car. I don't think the hospital will be that bothered if your mum picks your step father up or takes a bag for your grandad. | |||
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"My mother has refused to put a bag of items together for Grandad, for a family friend who lives locally to deliver. She says she'll deliver herself or no one will. She also thinks she'll be collecting my stepfather by car if he's released (apparently he's recovering fairly well, apart from the diabetes). She's bonkers. As awful as it may sound it sounds like she needs reporting for not self isolating.
I've no evidence that's she's NOT self isolated yet. Only that she said if she wouldn't be allowed to go and take the things, then she wouldn't leave them in the porch for someone else to take. I've not personally spoken to her at all. That info came from my uncle who DID speak to her and got a load of abuse on the phone."I'd be in a right mind to report her for... something. I wish I knew what | |||
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"My mother has refused to put a bag of items together for Grandad, for a family friend who lives locally to deliver. She says she'll deliver herself or no one will. She also thinks she'll be collecting my stepfather by car if he's released (apparently he's recovering fairly well, apart from the diabetes). She's bonkers. When my mum was in hospital recently we were only allowed to take a bag to the hospital reception (it took 48 hours to reach her but that's another story). On the day she was discharged a nurse on her ward tested positive for covid. In had to argue with the hospital to get ambulance transport for her because they wanted me to take her home in my car. I don't think the hospital will be that bothered if your mum picks your step father up or takes a bag for your grandad." My mother is supposed to be isolating, having been in contact with Covid positive people in the past 48hrs. She should be going nowhere because she lives in the same house as my Grandad and her husband, who are Covid patients. I'm told by the nurse I can drop off a bag/package at main hospital reception with his personal details attached and it will be "rapidly" conveyed. | |||
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"My mother has refused to put a bag of items together for Grandad, for a family friend who lives locally to deliver. She says she'll deliver herself or no one will. She also thinks she'll be collecting my stepfather by car if he's released (apparently he's recovering fairly well, apart from the diabetes). She's bonkers. When my mum was in hospital recently we were only allowed to take a bag to the hospital reception (it took 48 hours to reach her but that's another story). On the day she was discharged a nurse on her ward tested positive for covid. In had to argue with the hospital to get ambulance transport for her because they wanted me to take her home in my car. I don't think the hospital will be that bothered if your mum picks your step father up or takes a bag for your grandad. My mother is supposed to be isolating, having been in contact with Covid positive people in the past 48hrs. She should be going nowhere because she lives in the same house as my Grandad and her husband, who are Covid patients. I'm told by the nurse I can drop off a bag/package at main hospital reception with his personal details attached and it will be "rapidly" conveyed." My mother has had to isolate after being on a ward where a nurse tested positive. The hospital still thought it was ok for me to take her home in my car. I do see your point but my recent experience of this situation has shown up a couple of flaws in the system. Still it's a different hospital, I hope your grandad gets his bag, your step father gets home and your mum has a road to Damascus moment | |||
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"My mother has refused to put a bag of items together for Grandad, for a family friend who lives locally to deliver. She says she'll deliver herself or no one will. She also thinks she'll be collecting my stepfather by car if he's released (apparently he's recovering fairly well, apart from the diabetes). She's bonkers. When my mum was in hospital recently we were only allowed to take a bag to the hospital reception (it took 48 hours to reach her but that's another story). On the day she was discharged a nurse on her ward tested positive for covid. In had to argue with the hospital to get ambulance transport for her because they wanted me to take her home in my car. I don't think the hospital will be that bothered if your mum picks your step father up or takes a bag for your grandad. My mother is supposed to be isolating, having been in contact with Covid positive people in the past 48hrs. She should be going nowhere because she lives in the same house as my Grandad and her husband, who are Covid patients. I'm told by the nurse I can drop off a bag/package at main hospital reception with his personal details attached and it will be "rapidly" conveyed. My mother has had to isolate after being on a ward where a nurse tested positive. The hospital still thought it was ok for me to take her home in my car. I do see your point but my recent experience of this situation has shown up a couple of flaws in the system. Still it's a different hospital, I hope your grandad gets his bag, your step father gets home and your mum has a road to Damascus moment "She's been told by hospital staff that she is to stay at home, not to come to the hospital and can only send items from his house if they're brought by someone else (who doesn't go inside). There's more chance of Jesus himself walking among us than any Damascene moments | |||
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"My mother has refused to put a bag of items together for Grandad, for a family friend who lives locally to deliver. She says she'll deliver herself or no one will. She also thinks she'll be collecting my stepfather by car if he's released (apparently he's recovering fairly well, apart from the diabetes). She's bonkers. When my mum was in hospital recently we were only allowed to take a bag to the hospital reception (it took 48 hours to reach her but that's another story). On the day she was discharged a nurse on her ward tested positive for covid. In had to argue with the hospital to get ambulance transport for her because they wanted me to take her home in my car. I don't think the hospital will be that bothered if your mum picks your step father up or takes a bag for your grandad. My mother is supposed to be isolating, having been in contact with Covid positive people in the past 48hrs. She should be going nowhere because she lives in the same house as my Grandad and her husband, who are Covid patients. I'm told by the nurse I can drop off a bag/package at main hospital reception with his personal details attached and it will be "rapidly" conveyed. My mother has had to isolate after being on a ward where a nurse tested positive. The hospital still thought it was ok for me to take her home in my car. I do see your point but my recent experience of this situation has shown up a couple of flaws in the system. Still it's a different hospital, I hope your grandad gets his bag, your step father gets home and your mum has a road to Damascus moment
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"Quick update. I got a call at 05:45 because he suddenly deteriorated. I got in the car as advised and drove the hour up to the hospital. I've been with him, in full PPE, since about 07:00. Just come outside for a cup of tea. He's certainly made of stern stuff. They thought he'd die early this morning from the phone call, but he's pushing on. And I'm on one flat wheelchair wheel just for good measure. " Best wishes to you all. X | |||
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"Quick update. I got a call at 05:45 because he suddenly deteriorated. I got in the car as advised and drove the hour up to the hospital. I've been with him, in full PPE, since about 07:00. Just come outside for a cup of tea. He's certainly made of stern stuff. They thought he'd die early this morning from the phone call, but he's pushing on. And I'm on one flat wheelchair wheel just for good measure. " Fingers crossed for good fortune.. | |||
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"Quick update. I got a call at 05:45 because he suddenly deteriorated. I got in the car as advised and drove the hour up to the hospital. I've been with him, in full PPE, since about 07:00. Just come outside for a cup of tea. He's certainly made of stern stuff. They thought he'd die early this morning from the phone call, but he's pushing on. And I'm on one flat wheelchair wheel just for good measure. " Oh mate | |||
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"Quick update. I got a call at 05:45 because he suddenly deteriorated. I got in the car as advised and drove the hour up to the hospital. I've been with him, in full PPE, since about 07:00. Just come outside for a cup of tea. He's certainly made of stern stuff. They thought he'd die early this morning from the phone call, but he's pushing on. And I'm on one flat wheelchair wheel just for good measure. " I'm sorry lovely. Wishing you all the best. Xx | |||
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"Shitest news of 21 so far and we've never even met. The whole community on here is routing for Grandad! Big hugs x" Very true x | |||
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"Shitest news of 21 so far and we've never even met. The whole community on here is routing for Grandad! Big hugs x" Agreed x | |||
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"Sorry i've posted on the wrong thread, i've asked for it to be removed, please can others ask too x You only need to ask once, it makes no difference how many people ask "That's not my experience of Fab
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"Further update. Whatever vibes you're sending, it's working. I left the hospital at 13:15 because he was peaceful, breathing less laboured and had been sleeping for 2hrs without being agitated or whatever. He's being trying to talk with me (only lack of breath stopping him). He's looked at pics of his Great Grandchildren and all the rest so despite the night shift thinking he was about to meet his maker, my Grandad has other plans. Well aware it could go either way now but if he goes, it'll be with one heck of a fight. I'm proud to be cut from such tough cloth. Thank you for all the PMs which I've seen but not replied to, I'll try to later." Hoping no update is good news. Take care. | |||
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"For everyone's information, my Grandad passed away earlier this evening. I'm dealing with his affairs at the hospital. Thanks for all the PMs and messages of support from everyone." Oh angel, I'm so so sorry
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"For everyone's information, my Grandad passed away earlier this evening. I'm dealing with his affairs at the hospital. Thanks for all the PMs and messages of support from everyone." xxxxxxxxxxxxx | |||
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"For everyone's information, my Grandad passed away earlier this evening. I'm dealing with his affairs at the hospital. Thanks for all the PMs and messages of support from everyone." Im so very sorry xx | |||
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"For everyone's information, my Grandad passed away earlier this evening. I'm dealing with his affairs at the hospital. Thanks for all the PMs and messages of support from everyone." Oh im so very sorry. Xx | |||
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"For everyone's information, my Grandad passed away earlier this evening. I'm dealing with his affairs at the hospital. Thanks for all the PMs and messages of support from everyone." Oh sweetheart..so sorry to hear you've lost your lovely Grandad..xx | |||
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"I’m so sorry to hear of your loss, my deepest condolences to you and your family. The life of the dead is placed on the memories of the living. The love you gave in life keeps people alive beyond their time. Anyone who was given love will always live on in another's heart." Thats lovely. X | |||
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"For everyone's information, my Grandad passed away earlier this evening. I'm dealing with his affairs at the hospital. Thanks for all the PMs and messages of support from everyone." Just read the thread. My sincere condolences .. | |||
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"I finished the last of my Highland Park 25 year old last night. For Grandad and for all the 100,000. And for all the more than 2 million across the world." Love this | |||
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"For everyone's information, my Grandad passed away earlier this evening. I'm dealing with his affairs at the hospital. Thanks for all the PMs and messages of support from everyone." My sincere thoughts and condolences. Sorry for your loss. | |||
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"I finished the last of my Highland Park 25 year old last night. For Grandad and for all the 100,000. And for all the more than 2 million across the world." You've given me an idea for the last of the Glenmorangie tonight.. | |||
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"Has your brother been in touch with her? Maybe you could call her doctor and see what they suggest? Perhaps s/he assessed her over the phone. Don't feel guilty, no matter what you do it will always be wrong or not enough. Look after yourself and reminisce the good times while writing about your grandad. xx
Or tell me to fuck off and shout at me. Sometimes it helps to just scream. I mean that, scream at me if it helps. "Yes, my brother has been in touch and he was told to mind his own business too. He's equally exasperated. I also don't know which doctors she's using. I doubt she registered with the one in the area Grandad lives, I think she's been commuting back here but I'm not sure. | |||
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"I have no words. I'm sorry" I cant add to this. Xx | |||
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"Has your brother been in touch with her? Maybe you could call her doctor and see what they suggest? Perhaps s/he assessed her over the phone. Don't feel guilty, no matter what you do it will always be wrong or not enough. Look after yourself and reminisce the good times while writing about your grandad. xx
Or tell me to fuck off and shout at me. Sometimes it helps to just scream. I mean that, scream at me if it helps.
Yes, my brother has been in touch and he was told to mind his own business too. He's equally exasperated. I also don't know which doctors she's using. I doubt she registered with the one in the area Grandad lives, I think she's been commuting back here but I'm not sure."I don't know but it sounds to me your mum is a capable of looking after herself or making rational decisions. Could it be worth contacting the mental health services? I don't know but could she be lacking capacity? | |||
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"Has your brother been in touch with her? Maybe you could call her doctor and see what they suggest? Perhaps s/he assessed her over the phone. Don't feel guilty, no matter what you do it will always be wrong or not enough. Look after yourself and reminisce the good times while writing about your grandad. xx
Or tell me to fuck off and shout at me. Sometimes it helps to just scream. I mean that, scream at me if it helps.
Yes, my brother has been in touch and he was told to mind his own business too. He's equally exasperated. I also don't know which doctors she's using. I doubt she registered with the one in the area Grandad lives, I think she's been commuting back here but I'm not sure.
I don't know but it sounds to me your mum is a capable of looking after herself or making rational decisions.
Could it be worth contacting the mental health services?
I don't know but could she be lacking capacity?"She's almost certainly got some sort of mental health problem, I think narcissistic personality disorder. I personally think she lacks capacity but that's only my personal opinion. | |||
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"Has your brother been in touch with her? Maybe you could call her doctor and see what they suggest? Perhaps s/he assessed her over the phone. Don't feel guilty, no matter what you do it will always be wrong or not enough. Look after yourself and reminisce the good times while writing about your grandad. xx
Or tell me to fuck off and shout at me. Sometimes it helps to just scream. I mean that, scream at me if it helps.
Yes, my brother has been in touch and he was told to mind his own business too. He's equally exasperated. I also don't know which doctors she's using. I doubt she registered with the one in the area Grandad lives, I think she's been commuting back here but I'm not sure.
I don't know but it sounds to me your mum is a capable of looking after herself or making rational decisions.
Could it be worth contacting the mental health services?
I don't know but could she be lacking capacity?
She's almost certainly got some sort of mental health problem, I think narcissistic personality disorder. I personally think she lacks capacity but that's only my personal opinion."Could be worth making a phone call then maybe. It's just a really shit situation am I am so sorry for you. | |||
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"So sorry to hear about your grandad my grandma is currently in hospital fighting I'm going to see her tomorrow once again I'm sorry for your loss I hope your mother now see what is so very cruelly real xx" I hope your Grandma pulls through, best wishes to you and your family | |||
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"So sorry to hear about your grandad my grandma is currently in hospital fighting I'm going to see her tomorrow once again I'm sorry for your loss I hope your mother now see what is so very cruelly real xx" Sorry to hear about your Grandma, my lovely...xxx | |||
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"So sorry to hear about your grandad my grandma is currently in hospital fighting I'm going to see her tomorrow once again I'm sorry for your loss I hope your mother now see what is so very cruelly real xx I hope your Grandma pulls through, best wishes to you and your family "Thanks when I spoke with the hospital they said she was very very ill but stable xx | |||
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"So sorry to hear about your grandad my grandma is currently in hospital fighting I'm going to see her tomorrow once again I'm sorry for your loss I hope your mother now see what is so very cruelly real xx" I hope your grandma improves xxx | |||
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"It's happened. I suppose it was inevitable. My conspiracy theorist mother and her husband, who live with my Grandad (age 89), went to a "training session" aka brain washing meeting on 15th January. Today, my Grandad has been admitted to hospital with Covid, on oxygen, IV antibiotics etc. My conspiracy theorist stepfather is also in hospital with Covid (he is 73). My mother and stepfather have both refused to wear masks throughout, claiming false exemption and have continued to fraternise with other members of their lunatic fringe. And now, they've done it. They've given my Grandad Covid and guess what? Today was his first appointment for the vaccine. He lives in a rural area and the area has been left far behind on the vaccine schedule. For comparison, my Dad received 2x doses of the Pfizer vaccine by 11th January. If my Grandad had the same, maybe he'd not have been ill at all, or more mildly. He has heart failure, kidney problems and so is a classic case for bad Covid. I just hope that his iron constitution, combined with the hard work of the doctors and nurses allow him to pull through. My stepfather on the other hand? Well, I won't say what I think. Among all this, my mother continues to deny Covid exists and continues to spout her tripe and bile into the world. I don't understand how she can. I'm just so angry "I am originally from the North West and have family up there with similar denial issues - unfortunately it does take them having a bad dose of covid to see the light | |||
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