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Has the pandemic altered your beliefs in God ... Part 2
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"No as I think it is all rubbish. If god reallycan sit back and watch children die of cancer and other things he does not deserve my worship anyway!" if there is a God. and God created everything, then watching people including children die, is nothing. Think of it like this, you make a lego scene, later you disassemble it and put all the pieces in a box until you want to use it later. Thats the way i see it (Mr). At the same time, of there is a God then God also created thos virus, or allowed the possibility for it to exist, therefore it is part of Gods will. | |||
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".Or maybe God is the defendant and not the case? As the defendant in a Court of Law god would need to be there to be questioned by both defence and prosecution." I find God Not Guilty of existing | |||
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"No as I think it is all rubbish. If god reallycan sit back and watch children die of cancer and other things he does not deserve my worship anyway!" Ever read The Bible? | |||
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" Ever read The Bible?" Yes, there's some fucking nasty shit in there. | |||
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" Ever read The Bible? Yes, there's some fucking nasty shit in there. " There are also answers to most of the questions that are asked on here. All we say, is that if someone needs to ask the question it appears to be clear they haven't tried to find the answer. We like to hunt ourselves for answers to the questions we want want to know. | |||
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" Ever read The Bible? Yes, there's some fucking nasty shit in there. There are also answers to most of the questions that are asked on here. All we say, is that if someone needs to ask the question it appears to be clear they haven't tried to find the answer. We like to hunt ourselves for answers to the questions we want want to know." That's called a deepity, it sounds deep but is really utterly meaningless. | |||
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"This is a new one! Never expected to see a discussion about God on a swinger site! I note it was “God” not “religion” which would be a different conversation. Genuine question to practising Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus on this site - how do you reconcile being a swinger with your religion? " 
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"This is a new one! Never expected to see a discussion about God on a swinger site! I note it was “God” not “religion” which would be a different conversation. Genuine question to practising Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus on this site - how do you reconcile being a swinger with your religion?
I'd also like to hear the answers to that one..."Ever heard the phrase... “To err is human, to forgive is devine”  | |||
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"No as I think it is all rubbish. If god reallycan sit back and watch children die of cancer and other things he does not deserve my worship anyway! Ever read The Bible?" Enid Blyton wrote more believable stories. The bible is a book of fairy tales where people with a vested interest in retaining the status quo have an "answer" and formulate a question to fit their "answer". The bible, like god, like religion, is just pure hokum. | |||
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" Ever read The Bible? Yes, there's some fucking nasty shit in there. There are also answers to most of the questions that are asked on here. All we say, is that if someone needs to ask the question it appears to be clear they haven't tried to find the answer. We like to hunt ourselves for answers to the questions we want want to know. That's called a deepity, it sounds deep but is really utterly meaningless. " Spoken by a guy who hasn't read it. Or are we wrong?? | |||
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"No as I think it is all rubbish. If god reallycan sit back and watch children die of cancer and other things he does not deserve my worship anyway! Ever read The Bible? Enid Blyton wrote more believable stories. The bible is a book of fairy tales where people with a vested interest in retaining the status quo have an "answer" and formulate a question to fit their "answer". The bible, like god, like religion, is just pure hokum. " In your educated opinion. You missed that bit. | |||
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"Does God exist .... no Can I prove he doesn’t exist ....no but can I prove that fairies, goblins, elves and orcs exist.... no But it doesn’t mean that they do." You can’t prove gravity exists You can’t prove love exists... So what is your point? | |||
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"There are absolutely no answers to anything in any bible. Surely people have grown out of infantile fairy stories by now?" Why are people who don't believe anything so critical of people who do. Is it fear? Jealousy of people that have a faith? Very rarely do you see people of faith belittling people who have no faith. Strange that..... | |||
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"Does God exist .... no Can I prove he doesn’t exist ....no but can I prove that fairies, goblins, elves and orcs exist.... no But it doesn’t mean that they do. You can’t prove gravity exists You can’t prove love exists... So what is your point?" An open minded sensible reply. | |||
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"This is a new one! Never expected to see a discussion about God on a swinger site! I note it was “God” not “religion” which would be a different conversation. Genuine question to practising Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus on this site - how do you reconcile being a swinger with your religion? " Abraham, Sarah and Hagar the first swinging mff approved by God that started 3 religions https://www.uua.org/re/tapestry/multigenerational/hebrewscriptures/workshop5/sarah-hagar-abraham | |||
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"Does God exist .... no Can I prove he doesn’t exist ....no but can I prove that fairies, goblins, elves and orcs exist.... no But it doesn’t mean that they do. You can’t prove gravity exists You can’t prove love exists... So what is your point?" Yes you can prove gravity exits it’s fundamental part of physics and can be proven. love is an emotion an emotions can be measured objectively by pupil dilation (eye tracking), skin conductance (EDA/GSR), brain activity (EEG, fMRI), heart rate (ECG), and facial expressions. God is belief in a supernatural being which you can’t prove any existence or evidence of. | |||
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"Does God exist .... no Can I prove he doesn’t exist ....no but can I prove that fairies, goblins, elves and orcs exist.... no But it doesn’t mean that they do. You can’t prove gravity exists You can’t prove love exists... So what is your point? Yes you can prove gravity exits it’s fundamental part of physics and can be proven. love is an emotion an emotions can be measured objectively by pupil dilation (eye tracking), skin conductance (EDA/GSR), brain activity (EEG, fMRI), heart rate (ECG), and facial expressions. God is belief in a supernatural being which you can’t prove any existence or evidence of. " Would you know what the evidence looks like though? | |||
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"The very idea that a person looks to any God for salvation and deliverance, whilst ignoring the fact that the same God could have also prevented the problem, is its own contradiction. Capricious and nasty, not to mention sick in the head to inflict misery on the creatures of his/her/its creation." The question is; Is it God inflicting misery on his creation? | |||
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"The very idea that a person looks to any God for salvation and deliverance, whilst ignoring the fact that the same God could have also prevented the problem, is its own contradiction. Capricious and nasty, not to mention sick in the head to inflict misery on the creatures of his/her/its creation. The question is; Is it God inflicting misery on his creation? " If he is truly omnipotent and omnipresent then the simple answer is yes. Not only has he allowed it, but also been aware of the forthcoming problem and let it spiral into death and death and misery. “I am with you and will watch over you wherever you go.I will not leave you until I have done what I have promised you.” Genesis 28:15 Well that's a crock right there. | |||
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"The very idea that a person looks to any God for salvation and deliverance, whilst ignoring the fact that the same God could have also prevented the problem, is its own contradiction. Capricious and nasty, not to mention sick in the head to inflict misery on the creatures of his/her/its creation." It's not that I disagree with your point, but the few deer that need to be culled so that the majority thrive would probably say the same thing. They just aren't aware of the "big picture". | |||
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"The very idea that a person looks to any God for salvation and deliverance, whilst ignoring the fact that the same God could have also prevented the problem, is its own contradiction. Capricious and nasty, not to mention sick in the head to inflict misery on the creatures of his/her/its creation. It's not that I disagree with your point, but the few deer that need to be culled so that the majority thrive would probably say the same thing. They just aren't aware of the "big picture"." But surely the deer wouldn't culled with cancer or a virus that kills you slowly and painfully ? | |||
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"The very idea that a person looks to any God for salvation and deliverance, whilst ignoring the fact that the same God could have also prevented the problem, is its own contradiction. Capricious and nasty, not to mention sick in the head to inflict misery on the creatures of his/her/its creation. It's not that I disagree with your point, but the few deer that need to be culled so that the majority thrive would probably say the same thing. They just aren't aware of the "big picture". But surely the deer wouldn't culled with cancer or a virus that kills you slowly and painfully ? " Nor would humans be shot by trained marksmen, but death is still death. | |||
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"The very idea that a person looks to any God for salvation and deliverance, whilst ignoring the fact that the same God could have also prevented the problem, is its own contradiction. Capricious and nasty, not to mention sick in the head to inflict misery on the creatures of his/her/its creation. It's not that I disagree with your point, but the few deer that need to be culled so that the majority thrive would probably say the same thing. They just aren't aware of the "big picture". But surely the deer wouldn't culled with cancer or a virus that kills you slowly and painfully ? Nor would humans be shot by trained marksmen, but death is still death." So it begs the question, where is this kind and loving God to step in and provide humane solutions to replace cruelty ? As the creator its surely within his remit ? | |||
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"Does God exist .... no Can I prove he doesn’t exist ....no but can I prove that fairies, goblins, elves and orcs exist.... no But it doesn’t mean that they do. You can’t prove gravity exists You can’t prove love exists... So what is your point? Yes you can prove gravity exits it’s fundamental part of physics and can be proven. love is an emotion an emotions can be measured objectively by pupil dilation (eye tracking), skin conductance (EDA/GSR), brain activity (EEG, fMRI), heart rate (ECG), and facial expressions. God is belief in a supernatural being which you can’t prove any existence or evidence of. " What you have described is evidence not proof. You can prove 2+2=4 You cant prove the above you can only provide evidence | |||
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"Does God exist .... no Can I prove he doesn’t exist ....no but can I prove that fairies, goblins, elves and orcs exist.... no But it doesn’t mean that they do. You can’t prove gravity exists You can’t prove love exists... So what is your point? Yes you can prove gravity exits it’s fundamental part of physics and can be proven. love is an emotion an emotions can be measured objectively by pupil dilation (eye tracking), skin conductance (EDA/GSR), brain activity (EEG, fMRI), heart rate (ECG), and facial expressions. God is belief in a supernatural being which you can’t prove any existence or evidence of. What you have described is evidence not proof. You can prove 2+2=4 You cant prove the above you can only provide evidence " Mr tickle exists, I saw him at a kids party and there's a book about him. Just provided evidence and proof, now let's see the god squad do that. | |||
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"The very idea that a person looks to any God for salvation and deliverance, whilst ignoring the fact that the same God could have also prevented the problem, is its own contradiction. Capricious and nasty, not to mention sick in the head to inflict misery on the creatures of his/her/its creation. It's not that I disagree with your point, but the few deer that need to be culled so that the majority thrive would probably say the same thing. They just aren't aware of the "big picture". But surely the deer wouldn't culled with cancer or a virus that kills you slowly and painfully ? Nor would humans be shot by trained marksmen, but death is still death. So it begs the question, where is this kind and loving God to step in and provide humane solutions to replace cruelty ? As the creator its surely within his remit ? " What happened when he came down to tell us? | |||
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"Does God exist .... no Can I prove he doesn’t exist ....no but can I prove that fairies, goblins, elves and orcs exist.... no But it doesn’t mean that they do. You can’t prove gravity exists You can’t prove love exists... So what is your point? Yes you can prove gravity exits it’s fundamental part of physics and can be proven. love is an emotion an emotions can be measured objectively by pupil dilation (eye tracking), skin conductance (EDA/GSR), brain activity (EEG, fMRI), heart rate (ECG), and facial expressions. God is belief in a supernatural being which you can’t prove any existence or evidence of. What you have described is evidence not proof. You can prove 2+2=4 You cant prove the above you can only provide evidence Mr tickle exists, I saw him at a kids party and there's a book about him. Just provided evidence and proof, now let's see the god squad do that. " I would but:- Abraham is long dead and the burning bush got put out the Gurdwara Panja Sahib (boulder with handprint of Guru Nanak) is under travel restrictions You can proove Mr Tickles with your own eyes, fine, but you never met Napoleon or Atila the Hun, did they not exist because you didn't see them? | |||
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" Ever read The Bible? Yes, there's some fucking nasty shit in there. There are also answers to most of the questions that are asked on here. All we say, is that if someone needs to ask the question it appears to be clear they haven't tried to find the answer. We like to hunt ourselves for answers to the questions we want want to know. That's called a deepity, it sounds deep but is really utterly meaningless. Spoken by a guy who hasn't read it. Or are we wrong??" I bet I know it better than you. | |||
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" Ever read The Bible? Yes, there's some fucking nasty shit in there. There are also answers to most of the questions that are asked on here. All we say, is that if someone needs to ask the question it appears to be clear they haven't tried to find the answer. We like to hunt ourselves for answers to the questions we want want to know. That's called a deepity, it sounds deep but is really utterly meaningless. Spoken by a guy who hasn't read it. Or are we wrong?? I bet I know it better than you. " The genocide, the inc@st, the consent to own another person as property. A loving god wouldn't accept a human sacrifice. | |||
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" Ever read The Bible? Yes, there's some fucking nasty shit in there. There are also answers to most of the questions that are asked on here. All we say, is that if someone needs to ask the question it appears to be clear they haven't tried to find the answer. We like to hunt ourselves for answers to the questions we want want to know. That's called a deepity, it sounds deep but is really utterly meaningless. Spoken by a guy who hasn't read it. Or are we wrong?? I bet I know it better than you. " Believe me. You don't. | |||
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"Does God exist .... no Can I prove he doesn’t exist ....no but can I prove that fairies, goblins, elves and orcs exist.... no But it doesn’t mean that they do. You can’t prove gravity exists You can’t prove love exists... So what is your point? Yes you can prove gravity exits it’s fundamental part of physics and can be proven. love is an emotion an emotions can be measured objectively by pupil dilation (eye tracking), skin conductance (EDA/GSR), brain activity (EEG, fMRI), heart rate (ECG), and facial expressions. God is belief in a supernatural being which you can’t prove any existence or evidence of. What you have described is evidence not proof. You can prove 2+2=4 You cant prove the above you can only provide evidence " Proof is a fact that demonstrates something to be real or true. Proof requires evidence, but not all evidence constitute. So far I have never seen or had any evidence demonstrated for the existence of a God. Though I would be interested in hearing your verified evidence contrary to non-existence. | |||
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"Does God exist .... no Can I prove he doesn’t exist ....no but can I prove that fairies, goblins, elves and orcs exist.... no But it doesn’t mean that they do. You can’t prove gravity exists You can’t prove love exists... So what is your point? Yes you can prove gravity exits it’s fundamental part of physics and can be proven. love is an emotion an emotions can be measured objectively by pupil dilation (eye tracking), skin conductance (EDA/GSR), brain activity (EEG, fMRI), heart rate (ECG), and facial expressions. God is belief in a supernatural being which you can’t prove any existence or evidence of. What you have described is evidence not proof. You can prove 2+2=4 You cant prove the above you can only provide evidence Proof is a fact that demonstrates something to be real or true. Proof requires evidence, but not all evidence constitute. So far I have never seen or had any evidence demonstrated for the existence of a God. Though I would be interested in hearing your verified evidence contrary to non-existence. " The fact is no-one can prove anything either way. | |||
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"Does God exist .... no Can I prove he doesn’t exist ....no but can I prove that fairies, goblins, elves and orcs exist.... no But it doesn’t mean that they do. You can’t prove gravity exists You can’t prove love exists... So what is your point? Yes you can prove gravity exits it’s fundamental part of physics and can be proven. love is an emotion an emotions can be measured objectively by pupil dilation (eye tracking), skin conductance (EDA/GSR), brain activity (EEG, fMRI), heart rate (ECG), and facial expressions. God is belief in a supernatural being which you can’t prove any existence or evidence of. What you have described is evidence not proof. You can prove 2+2=4 You cant prove the above you can only provide evidence Proof is a fact that demonstrates something to be real or true. Proof requires evidence, but not all evidence constitute. So far I have never seen or had any evidence demonstrated for the existence of a God. Though I would be interested in hearing your verified evidence contrary to non-existence. The fact is no-one can prove anything either way." Oddly, I agree with this. | |||
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"Does God exist .... no Can I prove he doesn’t exist ....no but can I prove that fairies, goblins, elves and orcs exist.... no But it doesn’t mean that they do. You can’t prove gravity exists You can’t prove love exists... So what is your point? Yes you can prove gravity exits it’s fundamental part of physics and can be proven. love is an emotion an emotions can be measured objectively by pupil dilation (eye tracking), skin conductance (EDA/GSR), brain activity (EEG, fMRI), heart rate (ECG), and facial expressions. God is belief in a supernatural being which you can’t prove any existence or evidence of. " Proof” implies that there is no room for error. So please prove to me gravity exists. What you have said about love hasn't proved love exists at all. | |||
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"Does God exist .... no Can I prove he doesn’t exist ....no but can I prove that fairies, goblins, elves and orcs exist.... no But it doesn’t mean that they do. You can’t prove gravity exists You can’t prove love exists... So what is your point? Yes you can prove gravity exits it’s fundamental part of physics and can be proven. love is an emotion an emotions can be measured objectively by pupil dilation (eye tracking), skin conductance (EDA/GSR), brain activity (EEG, fMRI), heart rate (ECG), and facial expressions. God is belief in a supernatural being which you can’t prove any existence or evidence of. What you have described is evidence not proof. You can prove 2+2=4 You cant prove the above you can only provide evidence Proof is a fact that demonstrates something to be real or true. Proof requires evidence, but not all evidence constitute. So far I have never seen or had any evidence demonstrated for the existence of a God. Though I would be interested in hearing your verified evidence contrary to non-existence. The fact is no-one can prove anything either way. Oddly, I agree with this. " Absolutely spot on Tell you what we don't get though. Why do people have to knock other people's beliefs? | |||
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"Does God exist .... no Can I prove he doesn’t exist ....no but can I prove that fairies, goblins, elves and orcs exist.... no But it doesn’t mean that they do. You can’t prove gravity exists You can’t prove love exists... So what is your point? Yes you can prove gravity exits it’s fundamental part of physics and can be proven. love is an emotion an emotions can be measured objectively by pupil dilation (eye tracking), skin conductance (EDA/GSR), brain activity (EEG, fMRI), heart rate (ECG), and facial expressions. God is belief in a supernatural being which you can’t prove any existence or evidence of. What you have described is evidence not proof. You can prove 2+2=4 You cant prove the above you can only provide evidence Proof is a fact that demonstrates something to be real or true. Proof requires evidence, but not all evidence constitute. So far I have never seen or had any evidence demonstrated for the existence of a God. Though I would be interested in hearing your verified evidence contrary to non-existence. The fact is no-one can prove anything either way. Oddly, I agree with this. Absolutely spot on Tell you what we don't get though. Why do people have to knock other people's beliefs? " I'll knock anyone who wants to impose their belief upon me, either by legislation or proselytising. | |||
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"Who is trying to impose it on anyone? " Have I criticised you? I've criticised a book and a character in that book. | |||
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"The very idea that a person looks to any God for salvation and deliverance, whilst ignoring the fact that the same God could have also prevented the problem, is its own contradiction. Capricious and nasty, not to mention sick in the head to inflict misery on the creatures of his/her/its creation. It's not that I disagree with your point, but the few deer that need to be culled so that the majority thrive would probably say the same thing. They just aren't aware of the "big picture". But surely the deer wouldn't culled with cancer or a virus that kills you slowly and painfully ? Nor would humans be shot by trained marksmen, but death is still death. So it begs the question, where is this kind and loving God to step in and provide humane solutions to replace cruelty ? As the creator its surely within his remit ? What happened when he came down to tell us?" When was that then ? Are you referring to solomons visit ? | |||
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"Who is trying to impose it on anyone? Have I criticised you? I've criticised a book and a character in that book. " Very touchy. Have we accused you of something? Strange... | |||
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"The very idea that a person looks to any God for salvation and deliverance, whilst ignoring the fact that the same God could have also prevented the problem, is its own contradiction. Capricious and nasty, not to mention sick in the head to inflict misery on the creatures of his/her/its creation. It's not that I disagree with your point, but the few deer that need to be culled so that the majority thrive would probably say the same thing. They just aren't aware of the "big picture". But surely the deer wouldn't culled with cancer or a virus that kills you slowly and painfully ? Nor would humans be shot by trained marksmen, but death is still death. So it begs the question, where is this kind and loving God to step in and provide humane solutions to replace cruelty ? As the creator its surely within his remit ? What happened when he came down to tell us? When was that then ? Are you referring to solomons visit ?" No. | |||
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"Who is trying to impose it on anyone? Have I criticised you? I've criticised a book and a character in that book. Very touchy. Have we accused you of something? Strange..." Good to know that your religion doesn't inform your views on laws | |||
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"Who is trying to impose it on anyone? Have I criticised you? I've criticised a book and a character in that book. Very touchy. Have we accused you of something? Strange... Good to know that your religion doesn't inform your views on laws "Ouch. We have hit a nerve, haven't we?? | |||
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"Who is trying to impose it on anyone? Have I criticised you? I've criticised a book and a character in that book. Very touchy. Have we accused you of something? Strange... Good to know that your religion doesn't inform your views on laws
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"Who is trying to impose it on anyone? Have I criticised you? I've criticised a book and a character in that book. Very touchy. Have we accused you of something? Strange... Good to know that your religion doesn't inform your views on laws
Ouch.
We have hit a nerve, haven't we??
Er... no. Not really. "Of course not. Funny. Do you believe in Karma ? | |||
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"Who is trying to impose it on anyone? Have I criticised you? I've criticised a book and a character in that book. Very touchy. Have we accused you of something? Strange... Good to know that your religion doesn't inform your views on laws
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Of course not.
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"Who is trying to impose it on anyone? Have I criticised you? I've criticised a book and a character in that book. Very touchy. Have we accused you of something? Strange... Good to know that your religion doesn't inform your views on laws
Ouch.
We have hit a nerve, haven't we??
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Of course not.
Funny.
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"Who is trying to impose it on anyone? Have I criticised you? I've criticised a book and a character in that book. Very touchy. Have we accused you of something? Strange... Good to know that your religion doesn't inform your views on laws
Ouch.
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Er... no. Not really.
Of course not.
Funny.
Do you believe in Karma ?
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"Does God exist .... no Can I prove he doesn’t exist ....no but can I prove that fairies, goblins, elves and orcs exist.... no But it doesn’t mean that they do. You can’t prove gravity exists You can’t prove love exists... So what is your point? Yes you can prove gravity exits it’s fundamental part of physics and can be proven. love is an emotion an emotions can be measured objectively by pupil dilation (eye tracking), skin conductance (EDA/GSR), brain activity (EEG, fMRI), heart rate (ECG), and facial expressions. God is belief in a supernatural being which you can’t prove any existence or evidence of. What you have described is evidence not proof. You can prove 2+2=4 You cant prove the above you can only provide evidence Mr tickle exists, I saw him at a kids party and there's a book about him. Just provided evidence and proof, now let's see the god squad do that. I would but:- Abraham is long dead and the burning bush got put out the Gurdwara Panja Sahib (boulder with handprint of Guru Nanak) is under travel restrictions You can proove Mr Tickles with your own eyes, fine, but you never met Napoleon or Atila the Hun, did they not exist because you didn't see them?" I believe that Tutankhamen exists and he died 1300 years before Christmas. Why do I believe it? Because there's plenty of historical and scientific evidence preserved and documented. The Egyptians religious beliefs were very similar and predate the Bible by a considerable amount of time, yet you choose God over Amun Ra ? Considering Jesus was such an important figure, it's strange how we cant find any actual proof he even existed. | |||
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"Does God exist .... no Can I prove he doesn’t exist ....no but can I prove that fairies, goblins, elves and orcs exist.... no But it doesn’t mean that they do. You can’t prove gravity exists You can’t prove love exists... So what is your point? Yes you can prove gravity exits it’s fundamental part of physics and can be proven. love is an emotion an emotions can be measured objectively by pupil dilation (eye tracking), skin conductance (EDA/GSR), brain activity (EEG, fMRI), heart rate (ECG), and facial expressions. God is belief in a supernatural being which you can’t prove any existence or evidence of. What you have described is evidence not proof. You can prove 2+2=4 You cant prove the above you can only provide evidence Mr tickle exists, I saw him at a kids party and there's a book about him. Just provided evidence and proof, now let's see the god squad do that. I would but:- Abraham is long dead and the burning bush got put out the Gurdwara Panja Sahib (boulder with handprint of Guru Nanak) is under travel restrictions You can proove Mr Tickles with your own eyes, fine, but you never met Napoleon or Atila the Hun, did they not exist because you didn't see them? I believe that Tutankhamen exists and he died 1300 years before Christmas. Why do I believe it? Because there's plenty of historical and scientific evidence preserved and documented. The Egyptians religious beliefs were very similar and predate the Bible by a considerable amount of time, yet you choose God over Amun Ra ? Considering Jesus was such an important figure, it's strange how we cant find any actual proof he even existed. " What proof would you find acceptable? | |||
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"Who is trying to impose it on anyone? Have I criticised you? I've criticised a book and a character in that book. Very touchy. Have we accused you of something? Strange... Good to know that your religion doesn't inform your views on laws
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Of course not.
Funny.
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Just as well isn't it?
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"Does God exist .... no Can I prove he doesn’t exist ....no but can I prove that fairies, goblins, elves and orcs exist.... no But it doesn’t mean that they do. You can’t prove gravity exists You can’t prove love exists... So what is your point? Yes you can prove gravity exits it’s fundamental part of physics and can be proven. love is an emotion an emotions can be measured objectively by pupil dilation (eye tracking), skin conductance (EDA/GSR), brain activity (EEG, fMRI), heart rate (ECG), and facial expressions. God is belief in a supernatural being which you can’t prove any existence or evidence of. What you have described is evidence not proof. You can prove 2+2=4 You cant prove the above you can only provide evidence Mr tickle exists, I saw him at a kids party and there's a book about him. Just provided evidence and proof, now let's see the god squad do that. I would but:- Abraham is long dead and the burning bush got put out the Gurdwara Panja Sahib (boulder with handprint of Guru Nanak) is under travel restrictions You can proove Mr Tickles with your own eyes, fine, but you never met Napoleon or Atila the Hun, did they not exist because you didn't see them? I believe that Tutankhamen exists and he died 1300 years before Christmas. Why do I believe it? Because there's plenty of historical and scientific evidence preserved and documented. The Egyptians religious beliefs were very similar and predate the Bible by a considerable amount of time, yet you choose God over Amun Ra ? Considering Jesus was such an important figure, it's strange how we cant find any actual proof he even existed. " Can't we? | |||
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"Does God exist .... no Can I prove he doesn’t exist ....no but can I prove that fairies, goblins, elves and orcs exist.... no But it doesn’t mean that they do. You can’t prove gravity exists You can’t prove love exists... So what is your point? Yes you can prove gravity exits it’s fundamental part of physics and can be proven. love is an emotion an emotions can be measured objectively by pupil dilation (eye tracking), skin conductance (EDA/GSR), brain activity (EEG, fMRI), heart rate (ECG), and facial expressions. God is belief in a supernatural being which you can’t prove any existence or evidence of. What you have described is evidence not proof. You can prove 2+2=4 You cant prove the above you can only provide evidence Mr tickle exists, I saw him at a kids party and there's a book about him. Just provided evidence and proof, now let's see the god squad do that. I would but:- Abraham is long dead and the burning bush got put out the Gurdwara Panja Sahib (boulder with handprint of Guru Nanak) is under travel restrictions You can proove Mr Tickles with your own eyes, fine, but you never met Napoleon or Atila the Hun, did they not exist because you didn't see them? I believe that Tutankhamen exists and he died 1300 years before Christmas. Why do I believe it? Because there's plenty of historical and scientific evidence preserved and documented. The Egyptians religious beliefs were very similar and predate the Bible by a considerable amount of time, yet you choose God over Amun Ra ? Considering Jesus was such an important figure, it's strange how we cant find any actual proof he even existed. What proof would you find acceptable?" Certainly not a book that has been put together and fashioned Into so many different versions. , but let's say the cup that Christ offered at the last supper. That would give carbon dating and dna for a starter. Perhaps even a few drawings of him, we know how much the Romans loved their art so should be no real shortage of them. | |||
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"Does God exist .... no Can I prove he doesn’t exist ....no but can I prove that fairies, goblins, elves and orcs exist.... no But it doesn’t mean that they do. You can’t prove gravity exists You can’t prove love exists... So what is your point? Yes you can prove gravity exits it’s fundamental part of physics and can be proven. love is an emotion an emotions can be measured objectively by pupil dilation (eye tracking), skin conductance (EDA/GSR), brain activity (EEG, fMRI), heart rate (ECG), and facial expressions. God is belief in a supernatural being which you can’t prove any existence or evidence of. What you have described is evidence not proof. You can prove 2+2=4 You cant prove the above you can only provide evidence Mr tickle exists, I saw him at a kids party and there's a book about him. Just provided evidence and proof, now let's see the god squad do that. I would but:- Abraham is long dead and the burning bush got put out the Gurdwara Panja Sahib (boulder with handprint of Guru Nanak) is under travel restrictions You can proove Mr Tickles with your own eyes, fine, but you never met Napoleon or Atila the Hun, did they not exist because you didn't see them? I believe that Tutankhamen exists and he died 1300 years before Christmas. Why do I believe it? Because there's plenty of historical and scientific evidence preserved and documented. The Egyptians religious beliefs were very similar and predate the Bible by a considerable amount of time, yet you choose God over Amun Ra ? Considering Jesus was such an important figure, it's strange how we cant find any actual proof he even existed. Can't we?" Where is it then? ( please say Turing shroud) | |||
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"What about ancient papers that refer to him?" Theres ancient papers that refer to horus, osirus, even the book of the dead is better preserved and more legible than the dead Sea scrolls, and it has pictures. | |||
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"What about ancient papers that refer to him? Theres ancient papers that refer to horus, osirus, even the book of the dead is better preserved and more legible than the dead Sea scrolls, and it has pictures. " You are closed minded aren't you? No problem. | |||
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"What about ancient papers that refer to him? Theres ancient papers that refer to horus, osirus, even the book of the dead is better preserved and more legible than the dead Sea scrolls, and it has pictures. You are closed minded aren't you? No problem. " Surprised you didn't offer up the ecumenical question to finish with. This is why I abandoned the church years ago. I studied systematic theology for two years, so your closed minded theory is nothing I haven't heard before. Amusing really that my mind (regarding religion) is undoubtedly more open than yours. Like you say though..... no problem. | |||
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".Or maybe God is the defendant and not the case? As the defendant in a Court of Law god would need to be there to be questioned by both defence and prosecution." There is no fid at all. This clinging to a non existent diet is holding you back? | |||
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"This is a new one! Never expected to see a discussion about God on a swinger site! I note it was “God” not “religion” which would be a different conversation. Genuine question to practising Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus on this site - how do you reconcile being a swinger with your religion? " Easy, I am a Catholic....I go to confession!  | |||
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"The very idea that a person looks to any God for salvation and deliverance, whilst ignoring the fact that the same God could have also prevented the problem, is its own contradiction. Capricious and nasty, not to mention sick in the head to inflict misery on the creatures of his/her/its creation." If you are a Christian you have go accept that the world isn't perfect because humans chose to have Knowledge (and hence free will with it) of the world and it's pain and suffering. (Adam and Eve). Also, as for the lack of historical evidence for Jesus existence, possibly this is because he spent his life being a revolutionary and only became famous after his death? At the time of his life the only people we really know about are those who were well known in their lifetime (Emporors and Leaders for example) | |||
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"Just imagine though This bloke Jesus (evidence is there to support his existence) managed to spread his teachings across the world and inspire men and women to believe. All without easy access to a pen and paper, a telephone, a newspaper, the Internet, Facebook or Twitter. Considering he was a Jew and Christianity didn't exist at the time he died, he managed to start off something pretty spectacular if you ask me. Believe in it or not, you've got to give the lad and his mates some credit for creating the religion as we know it today. The UK is a Christian country, hundreds of thousand of people have fought for us, that's why we have a cross on our flag, it's not because it looks nice. Our laws our based on Christianity, they are across the world in civilised countries. Bare that in mind when you take the piss, imagine what life would be like without Christianity influencing the world as we know it. " Without taking the piss and respecting people's choice of whatever deity suits them or not etc, we are if one wants to attribute such things more a pagan country than Christian surely.. Acknowledging that the concept of country didn't really feature then.. | |||
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"The very idea that a person looks to any God for salvation and deliverance, whilst ignoring the fact that the same God could have also prevented the problem, is its own contradiction. Capricious and nasty, not to mention sick in the head to inflict misery on the creatures of his/her/its creation. If you are a Christian you have go accept that the world isn't perfect because humans chose to have Knowledge (and hence free will with it) of the world and it's pain and suffering. (Adam and Eve). Also, as for the lack of historical evidence for Jesus existence, possibly this is because he spent his life being a revolutionary and only became famous after his death? At the time of his life the only people we really know about are those who were well known in their lifetime (Emporors and Leaders for example) " Hmm... yet we can find out plenty about Joseph of aramathia. Damn those cursed Flavians. | |||
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"I find it strange that these posts quickly draw those who don't believe in something yet demonstrate a deep hatred in their replies towards those who may believe. Misotheism is very evident in many in here. Why does it matter so much for them to show this hate and contempt and feel it's ok? It's not ok. If this same attitude was leveled at a black man/woman or at a gay man/woman few would accept it. So many people here are genuinely nasty and sadly don't think it's wrong. The OP asked a personal question, I think everyone would do good to show respect for their opinion, you may be different by why attack someone who has a different one from yourself. All it shows is what you're like inside and maybe need to go away and deal with that before it eats you up even more." It’s insecurity , lives built on sand.... | |||
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"I find it strange that these posts quickly draw those who don't believe in something yet demonstrate a deep hatred in their replies towards those who may believe. Misotheism is very evident in many in here. Why does it matter so much for them to show this hate and contempt and feel it's ok? It's not ok. If this same attitude was leveled at a black man/woman or at a gay man/woman few would accept it. So many people here are genuinely nasty and sadly don't think it's wrong. The OP asked a personal question, I think everyone would do good to show respect for their opinion, you may be different by why attack someone who has a different one from yourself. All it shows is what you're like inside and maybe need to go away and deal with that before it eats you up even more." Hence why religious discrimination and harassment is a crime under the Equality Act 2010 and will potentially get you dismissed at work for taking the piss. | |||
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"I find it strange that these posts quickly draw those who don't believe in something yet demonstrate a deep hatred in their replies towards those who may believe. Misotheism is very evident in many in here. Why does it matter so much for them to show this hate and contempt and feel it's ok? It's not ok. If this same attitude was leveled at a black man/woman or at a gay man/woman few would accept it. So many people here are genuinely nasty and sadly don't think it's wrong. The OP asked a personal question, I think everyone would do good to show respect for their opinion, you may be different by why attack someone who has a different one from yourself. All it shows is what you're like inside and maybe need to go away and deal with that before it eats you up even more." I guess you get people taking it too far on all sides... There are chapters in the bible calling for people like us to be stoned to death after all
I'll have a guess that the quran might say something similar.
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"The irony to many of those who don't believe in the existence of God is they still have this hatred towards him and blame him for all the evil and issues, why he doesn't exist. Or is it you won't blame yourself abd people for the same evils as they are the ones causing it." A very fair comment. If people do not believe then go for it. Free will is a gift we all have. But why all the anger and venom?? And all from people who don't believe. It truly amazes us. | |||
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"I find it strange that these posts quickly draw those who don't believe in something yet demonstrate a deep hatred in their replies towards those who may believe. Misotheism is very evident in many in here. Why does it matter so much for them to show this hate and contempt and feel it's ok? It's not ok. If this same attitude was leveled at a black man/woman or at a gay man/woman few would accept it. So many people here are genuinely nasty and sadly don't think it's wrong. The OP asked a personal question, I think everyone would do good to show respect for their opinion, you may be different by why attack someone who has a different one from yourself. All it shows is what you're like inside and maybe need to go away and deal with that before it eats you up even more." Well said. | |||
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"A thing invented by man to control the general population and profit from it, what is there to believe?" Plenty if you believe in it, nothing if you don't, it really is that simple We'll find out who picked the right horse when we die, I'm hoping I'm right and there is something else at the end other than a hot furnace or deep hole. | |||
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"A thing invented by man to control the general population and profit from it, what is there to believe? Plenty if you believe in it, nothing if you don't, it really is that simple We'll find out who picked the right horse when we die, I'm hoping I'm right and there is something else at the end other than a hot furnace or deep hole. " Simple but decent comment. Curious that all the heated comments are coming from people who do not believe in God, isn't it?? | |||
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"A thing invented by man to control the general population and profit from it, what is there to believe? Plenty if you believe in it, nothing if you don't, it really is that simple We'll find out who picked the right horse when we die, I'm hoping I'm right and there is something else at the end other than a hot furnace or deep hole. Simple but decent comment. Curious that all the heated comments are coming from people who do not believe in God, isn't it??" It's another example of the intolerance of the tolerant. People can believe or not but why some are so vociferous in their disbelief is strange , why does it matter to them if others believe. | |||
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"A thing invented by man to control the general population and profit from it, what is there to believe? Plenty if you believe in it, nothing if you don't, it really is that simple We'll find out who picked the right horse when we die, I'm hoping I'm right and there is something else at the end other than a hot furnace or deep hole. " So the thread evolved into a discussion on “religion” as opposed to “god” and as such I am curious. You are a Christian. May I ask what denomination? Also, as a follower of a set of Christian doctrines - how do you reconcile that with bring someone looking to have sex with other men’s wives? To be clear - I am not criticising or being judgemental. We are swingers and enjoy having sex with people we are not married to but we do not have that as a contradiction with our religious beliefs! | |||
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"A thing invented by man to control the general population and profit from it, what is there to believe? Plenty if you believe in it, nothing if you don't, it really is that simple We'll find out who picked the right horse when we die, I'm hoping I'm right and there is something else at the end other than a hot furnace or deep hole. Simple but decent comment. Curious that all the heated comments are coming from people who do not believe in God, isn't it??" Maybe there's more to this than many want to admit. Could it be that we think we're far greater than what we actually are, think we know far more than we do in an attempt to hide our weakness and lack of knowledge, we are quick and vigorously deny that which we don't want to acknowledge? Maybe there's more truth in it than we want to admit, scared if we acknowledge something as the consequences could be difficult to face? It's the same in all walks of life I find. | |||
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"A thing invented by man to control the general population and profit from it, what is there to believe? Plenty if you believe in it, nothing if you don't, it really is that simple We'll find out who picked the right horse when we die, I'm hoping I'm right and there is something else at the end other than a hot furnace or deep hole. So the thread evolved into a discussion on “religion” as opposed to “god” and as such I am curious. You are a Christian. May I ask what denomination? Also, as a follower of a set of Christian doctrines - how do you reconcile that with bring someone looking to have sex with other men’s wives? To be clear - I am not criticising or being judgemental. We are swingers and enjoy having sex with people we are not married to but we do not have that as a contradiction with our religious beliefs! " It would seem you're trying to out them and maybe others going by your previous comments. It not easy to separate God and religion, it's a bit like talking about travel and not cars or visa versa. | |||
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"A thing invented by man to control the general population and profit from it, what is there to believe? Plenty if you believe in it, nothing if you don't, it really is that simple We'll find out who picked the right horse when we die, I'm hoping I'm right and there is something else at the end other than a hot furnace or deep hole. So the thread evolved into a discussion on “religion” as opposed to “god” and as such I am curious. You are a Christian. May I ask what denomination? Also, as a follower of a set of Christian doctrines - how do you reconcile that with bring someone looking to have sex with other men’s wives? To be clear - I am not criticising or being judgemental. We are swingers and enjoy having sex with people we are not married to but we do not have that as a contradiction with our religious beliefs! It would seem you're trying to out them and maybe others going by your previous comments. It not easy to separate God and religion, it's a bit like talking about travel and not cars or visa versa." Absolutely not just genuinely interested as swinging and christian doctrine beliefs appear to be mutually exclusive to me. Not everyone is aggressive on social media or has an agenda. Some are genuinely inquisitive. There is a huge irony of anyone who enjoys the swinging lifestyle being judgemental or intolerant. | |||
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"A thing invented by man to control the general population and profit from it, what is there to believe? Plenty if you believe in it, nothing if you don't, it really is that simple We'll find out who picked the right horse when we die, I'm hoping I'm right and there is something else at the end other than a hot furnace or deep hole. Simple but decent comment. Curious that all the heated comments are coming from people who do not believe in God, isn't it??" There's no place for abuse of others and certainly here everyone must abide by Fab site and forum rules. Some people may have come from backgrounds where some religious practitioners affected them badly, so their historical experience includes elements that have a lot of pain. We've seen religious groups operations such as those who raised children very brutally, where unmarried mothers weren't truly given the love they deserved, their offspring put into sewars. The recent comments have included the lack of any records from the time of the supposed life of Jesus, about him. It's reasonable for people to seek corroboration of something that was remarkable, particularly when those who wrote of the biographical information didn't meet the person but got their information another way than first hand experience. Obviously the Romans who incorporated the religion into their own orthodoxy, had great power to ensure that the religion was as watertight and powerful as they found possible, so the great might of the Romans could, as well as does today, still endure. The history of religions are very interesting. | |||
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"I'm Catholic, so is my wife, but we are not particularly good ones, just your average ones who try their best to be decent people whilst fucking it up here and there. I sleep easy with my conscience, where I don't there is the confessional booth to "wash away my sins" That's the beauty of being a Catholic, however bear in mind you do have to actually own up to what you have done wrong, and that is not easy - hence why many Catholics swerve confession for long periods of time. Regards swinging, if it's not cheating it is perfectly acceptable in my (far from expert) opinion " Thanks for your honest answer. Would love to be a fly on the wall in that confessional to see Priests reaction. I like the “not cheating rationale”. Be great if society as a whole could also see that as acceptable (though perhaps part of the appeal of swinging IS the taboo nature of it) | |||
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" Ever read The Bible? Yes, there's some fucking nasty shit in there. There are also answers to most of the questions that are asked on here. All we say, is that if someone needs to ask the question it appears to be clear they haven't tried to find the answer. We like to hunt ourselves for answers to the questions we want want to know. That's called a deepity, it sounds deep but is really utterly meaningless. " Haha, fantastic reply. | |||
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" ...... There is a huge irony of anyone who enjoys the swinging lifestyle being judgemental or intolerant. As I said may you are trying to out them. If not why your search?" 1. Allaboutthelady appears to have been happy to answer my question. 2. Life is about the discovery of new knowledge and experiences. 3. How can we ever hope to understand other people and issues if we don’t ask questions about them? 4. It would appear to me, as someone who does to follow any religious doctrine, that being a swinger would not be a comfortable fit so I am genuinely interested how those who do/are reconcile that. 5. As I said, not everyone has an evil agenda! | |||
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" Ever read The Bible? Yes, there's some fucking nasty shit in there. There are also answers to most of the questions that are asked on here. All we say, is that if someone needs to ask the question it appears to be clear they haven't tried to find the answer. We like to hunt ourselves for answers to the questions we want want to know. That's called a deepity, it sounds deep but is really utterly meaningless. Haha, fantastic reply. "It's a great reply, especially seeing that this interpretation is not the only meaning of deepity. | |||
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" ...... There is a huge irony of anyone who enjoys the swinging lifestyle being judgemental or intolerant. As I said may you are trying to out them. If not why your search? 1. Allaboutthelady appears to have been happy to answer my question. 2. Life is about the discovery of new knowledge and experiences. 3. How can we ever hope to understand other people and issues if we don’t ask questions about them? 4. It would appear to me, as someone who does to follow any religious doctrine, that being a swinger would not be a comfortable fit so I am genuinely interested how those who do/are reconcile that. 5. As I said, not everyone has an evil agenda!" Always happy to share my thoughts, however odd they may be | |||
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" ...... There is a huge irony of anyone who enjoys the swinging lifestyle being judgemental or intolerant. As I said may you are trying to out them. If not why your search? 1. Allaboutthelady appears to have been happy to answer my question. 2. Life is about the discovery of new knowledge and experiences. 3. How can we ever hope to understand other people and issues if we don’t ask questions about them? 4. It would appear to me, as someone who does to follow any religious doctrine, that being a swinger would not be a comfortable fit so I am genuinely interested how those who do/are reconcile that. 5. As I said, not everyone has an evil agenda!" I didn't say you had an evil agenda. Most tend to have agendas and your first comment seemed to come across that way, hence why I asked. It's good that you don't, few others seem to as I'd noted by many responses in here and it's way few will be open to answer your question in this environment. I wish it were different and then people who have little or no knowledge on something could learn more. It's not about agreeing but about understanding others and being tolerant to differences of opinion. Forums have a long way to go in this. | |||
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"The irony to many of those who don't believe in the existence of God is they still have this hatred towards him and blame him for all the evil and issues, why he doesn't exist. Or is it you won't blame yourself abd people for the same evils as they are the ones causing it." Personally speaking, I don't have a hatred for God, how can I hate something that I don't believe exists ? You can question people's beliefs if they are spouting alagoric passages from a book with no foundation,the church did the same to Salman Rushden as I recall and the ayatollah Khomeini imposed a fatwâ upon him. By all means follow your beliefs and faith, but its also the believers calling the rest of us 'closed minded' that are provoking a response, ironically not turning the other cheek. | |||
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" Ever read The Bible? Yes, there's some fucking nasty shit in there. There are also answers to most of the questions that are asked on here. All we say, is that if someone needs to ask the question it appears to be clear they haven't tried to find the answer. We like to hunt ourselves for answers to the questions we want want to know." I just use Google | |||
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"I'm Catholic, so is my wife, but we are not particularly good ones, just your average ones who try their best to be decent people whilst fucking it up here and there. I sleep easy with my conscience, where I don't there is the confessional booth to "wash away my sins" That's the beauty of being a Catholic, however bear in mind you do have to actually own up to what you have done wrong, and that is not easy - hence why many Catholics swerve confession for long periods of time. Regards swinging, if it's not cheating it is perfectly acceptable in my (far from expert) opinion Thanks for your honest answer. Would love to be a fly on the wall in that confessional to see Priests reaction. I like the “not cheating rationale”. Be great if society as a whole could also see that as acceptable (though perhaps part of the appeal of swinging IS the taboo nature of it)" Im both Catholic and Muslim because of my parents raising me in such a way. The phrase that allows me to swing is... “To err is human, to forgive is devine” So let us err away, only god knows what is in your heart | |||
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"Clearly can’t speak for others but I can understand why some ppl may want to believe in God. It means that “this” isn’t it. That there is more than what we see. It is often about having a coping mechanism to confront our finite mortality. Personally I err between atheist and agnostic. I would LIKE there to be something more when this life ends otherwise it all becomes a bit nihilist but logic and science tells me there isn’t. However, I do not and won’t subscribe to any religious doctrine as they are societal constructs designed (for the most part) to perpetuate the power and control of the patriarchy. " Very eloquently put, I agree with everything you say! My response to religion is much more blunt..... it’s a load of bollocks. | |||
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"I find it mad that in the modern world we live in that people still believe in God, science has proven /disproved almost everything about there been a god yet people still believe and even kill in the name of god " What has science actually disproved about there being no God. Have they proved The Big Bang Theory yet? Can it be actually proved? | |||
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"I find it strange that these posts quickly draw those who don't believe in something yet demonstrate a deep hatred in their replies towards those who may believe. Misotheism is very evident in many in here. Why does it matter so much for them to show this hate and contempt and feel it's ok? It's not ok. If this same attitude was leveled at a black man/woman or at a gay man/woman few would accept it. So many people here are genuinely nasty and sadly don't think it's wrong. The OP asked a personal question, I think everyone would do good to show respect for their opinion, you may be different by why attack someone who has a different one from yourself. All it shows is what you're like inside and maybe need to go away and deal with that before it eats you up even more. I guess you get people taking it too far on all sides... There are chapters in the bible calling for people like us to be stoned to death after all
I'll have a guess that the quran might say something similar.
It has changed my belief in no way whatsoever, nor has it changed my view on Father Christmas or the tooth fairy. "There's also a very important bit in the New Testament which states that "He who is without sin cast the first stone" it's also a policy of most branches of Christianity that we should hate the sin but love the sinner. The key cornerstones of modern Christianity are the values of acceptance and forgiveness. | |||
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"Here is my belief system laid bare. Science’s big bang - was created by a load of stuff flying around in space, that stuff was created by something, somewhere, somehow. It didn’t just appear. You can RCA and science it all to death, but you will never get to the root cause. Even if it boils down to 1 atom of carbon and 1 atom of hydrogen, something created them. That is why I have never given it up, as boring and as nuts as some of it is, I’ve picked my horse for the race, if I win, I move to the next level in the game, if I lose I get nothing. Personally I prefer gambling with the chance of winning something. Time for a Stella" I'll have a Stella with you. Never ever argued with anyone about their faith. It is personal and totally understand. Don't mock or try to convert anyone, I just accept that we believe in different things. Not the same on here though is it? | |||
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"Here is my belief system laid bare. Science’s big bang - was created by a load of stuff flying around in space, that stuff was created by something, somewhere, somehow. It didn’t just appear. You can RCA and science it all to death, but you will never get to the root cause. Even if it boils down to 1 atom of carbon and 1 atom of hydrogen, something created them. That is why I have never given it up, as boring and as nuts as some of it is, I’ve picked my horse for the race, if I win, I move to the next level in the game, if I lose I get nothing. Personally I prefer gambling with the chance of winning something. Time for a Stella I'll have a Stella with you. Never ever argued with anyone about their faith. It is personal and totally understand. Don't mock or try to convert anyone, I just accept that we believe in different things. Not the same on here though is it? " Except where you call people closed minded eh ? | |||
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"Here is my belief system laid bare. Science’s big bang - was created by a load of stuff flying around in space, that stuff was created by something, somewhere, somehow. It didn’t just appear. You can RCA and science it all to death, but you will never get to the root cause. Even if it boils down to 1 atom of carbon and 1 atom of hydrogen, something created them. That is why I have never given it up, as boring and as nuts as some of it is, I’ve picked my horse for the race, if I win, I move to the next level in the game, if I lose I get nothing. Personally I prefer gambling with the chance of winning something. Time for a Stella I'll have a Stella with you. Never ever argued with anyone about their faith. It is personal and totally understand. Don't mock or try to convert anyone, I just accept that we believe in different things. Not the same on here though is it? Except where you call people closed minded eh ? " Yes. I call people that. Look back. The ones who want to stamp their beliefs on anyone else. I haven't argued that anyone's belief is wrong. You have though. | |||
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"Here is my belief system laid bare. Science’s big bang - was created by a load of stuff flying around in space, that stuff was created by something, somewhere, somehow. It didn’t just appear. You can RCA and science it all to death, but you will never get to the root cause. Even if it boils down to 1 atom of carbon and 1 atom of hydrogen, something created them. That is why I have never given it up, as boring and as nuts as some of it is, I’ve picked my horse for the race, if I win, I move to the next level in the game, if I lose I get nothing. Personally I prefer gambling with the chance of winning something. Time for a Stella I'll have a Stella with you. Never ever argued with anyone about their faith. It is personal and totally understand. Don't mock or try to convert anyone, I just accept that we believe in different things. Not the same on here though is it? " Being a Catholic, I’ve got skin like a rhino, it must be a bit like being a Man Utd fan
I’m happy to turn the other cheek on here, half the stuff people say on any forum wouldn’t be said if they were looking you in the eye with other people present. It’s easy to hide behind a keyboard, so don’t let it upset you.
I enjoy a healthy debate and don’t mind sharing my thoughts as I did earlier with the _irldn (the cracking arse avatar). Genuine questions get genuine answers.
We are all individuals with opinions that differ across any debate, be it religion, politics, sport or Covid. I supppose it’s when the respect disappears is where the upset starts.
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"Here is my belief system laid bare. Science’s big bang - was created by a load of stuff flying around in space, that stuff was created by something, somewhere, somehow. It didn’t just appear. You can RCA and science it all to death, but you will never get to the root cause. Even if it boils down to 1 atom of carbon and 1 atom of hydrogen, something created them. That is why I have never given it up, as boring and as nuts as some of it is, I’ve picked my horse for the race, if I win, I move to the next level in the game, if I lose I get nothing. Personally I prefer gambling with the chance of winning something. Time for a Stella I'll have a Stella with you. Never ever argued with anyone about their faith. It is personal and totally understand. Don't mock or try to convert anyone, I just accept that we believe in different things. Not the same on here though is it? Except where you call people closed minded eh ? Yes. I call people that. Look back. The ones who want to stamp their beliefs on anyone else. I haven't argued that anyone's belief is wrong. You have though." Oh the irony  | |||
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"I enjoy a healthy debate and don’t mind sharing my thoughts as I did earlier with the _irldn (the cracking arse avatar). Genuine questions get genuine answers. " “Cracking arse avatar” lol thanks 
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"Here is my belief system laid bare. Science’s big bang - was created by a load of stuff flying around in space, that stuff was created by something, somewhere, somehow. It didn’t just appear. You can RCA and science it all to death, but you will never get to the root cause. Even if it boils down to 1 atom of carbon and 1 atom of hydrogen, something created them. That is why I have never given it up, as boring and as nuts as some of it is, I’ve picked my horse for the race, if I win, I move to the next level in the game, if I lose I get nothing. Personally I prefer gambling with the chance of winning something. Time for a Stella I'll have a Stella with you. Never ever argued with anyone about their faith. It is personal and totally understand. Don't mock or try to convert anyone, I just accept that we believe in different things. Not the same on here though is it? Except where you call people closed minded eh ? Yes. I call people that. Look back. The ones who want to stamp their beliefs on anyone else. I haven't argued that anyone's belief is wrong. You have though. Oh the irony "So hypocritical. Enjoy your narrow-minded view. We bet you never like to lose, do you? | |||
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"Here is my belief system laid bare. Science’s big bang - was created by a load of stuff flying around in space, that stuff was created by something, somewhere, somehow. It didn’t just appear. You can RCA and science it all to death, but you will never get to the root cause. Even if it boils down to 1 atom of carbon and 1 atom of hydrogen, something created them. That is why I have never given it up, as boring and as nuts as some of it is, I’ve picked my horse for the race, if I win, I move to the next level in the game, if I lose I get nothing. Personally I prefer gambling with the chance of winning something. Time for a Stella I'll have a Stella with you. Never ever argued with anyone about their faith. It is personal and totally understand. Don't mock or try to convert anyone, I just accept that we believe in different things. Not the same on here though is it? Except where you call people closed minded eh ? Yes. I call people that. Look back. The ones who want to stamp their beliefs on anyone else. I haven't argued that anyone's belief is wrong. You have though. Oh the irony
So hypocritical.
Enjoy your narrow-minded view.
We bet you never like to lose, do you? "Not to people who have a pointless and uneducated narrative. I've lived on both sides of the debate, studied it and accomplished from it. You just blindly follow and castigate in a cliché dogmatic manner. Enjoy your faith, embrace it and I sincerely hope you find comfort in it. | |||
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"I find it mad that in the modern world we live in that people still believe in God, science has proven /disproved almost everything about there been a god yet people still believe and even kill in the name of god What has science actually disproved about there being no God. Have they proved The Big Bang Theory yet? Can it be actually proved? well evolution put abit of a spanner in the works for the whole god created man." Not necessarily - a god could have created the process of evolution. | |||
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"Here is my belief system laid bare. Science’s big bang - was created by a load of stuff flying around in space, that stuff was created by something, somewhere, somehow. It didn’t just appear. You can RCA and science it all to death, but you will never get to the root cause. Even if it boils down to 1 atom of carbon and 1 atom of hydrogen, something created them. That is why I have never given it up, as boring and as nuts as some of it is, I’ve picked my horse for the race, if I win, I move to the next level in the game, if I lose I get nothing. Personally I prefer gambling with the chance of winning something. Time for a Stella I'll have a Stella with you. Never ever argued with anyone about their faith. It is personal and totally understand. Don't mock or try to convert anyone, I just accept that we believe in different things. Not the same on here though is it? Except where you call people closed minded eh ? Yes. I call people that. Look back. The ones who want to stamp their beliefs on anyone else. I haven't argued that anyone's belief is wrong. You have though. Oh the irony
So hypocritical.
Enjoy your narrow-minded view.
We bet you never like to lose, do you?
Not to people who have a pointless and uneducated narrative.
I've lived on both sides of the debate, studied it and accomplished from it. You just blindly follow and castigate in a cliché dogmatic manner.
Enjoy your faith, embrace it and I sincerely hope you find comfort in it. "I have studied theology. Far more educated than you ever will be. So clever that you can tell my faith even though I haven't mentioned it. Hilarious And I can smell bullshit a mile off. Sad. Very sad. | |||
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"I believe in god... that’s my beliefs! Everyone is allowed to there own opinions...... That doesn’t make me wrong or another person wrong! X " We agree totally. But clearly there are people on here who think you cannot have your own opinion. | |||
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"Here is my belief system laid bare. Science’s big bang - was created by a load of stuff flying around in space, that stuff was created by something, somewhere, somehow. It didn’t just appear. You can RCA and science it all to death, but you will never get to the root cause. Even if it boils down to 1 atom of carbon and 1 atom of hydrogen, something created them. That is why I have never given it up, as boring and as nuts as some of it is, I’ve picked my horse for the race, if I win, I move to the next level in the game, if I lose I get nothing. Personally I prefer gambling with the chance of winning something. Time for a Stella I'll have a Stella with you. Never ever argued with anyone about their faith. It is personal and totally understand. Don't mock or try to convert anyone, I just accept that we believe in different things. Not the same on here though is it? Except where you call people closed minded eh ? Yes. I call people that. Look back. The ones who want to stamp their beliefs on anyone else. I haven't argued that anyone's belief is wrong. You have though. Oh the irony
So hypocritical.
Enjoy your narrow-minded view.
We bet you never like to lose, do you?
Not to people who have a pointless and uneducated narrative.
I've lived on both sides of the debate, studied it and accomplished from it. You just blindly follow and castigate in a cliché dogmatic manner.
Enjoy your faith, embrace it and I sincerely hope you find comfort in it.
I have studied theology. Far more educated than you ever will be.
So clever that you can tell my faith even though I haven't mentioned it. Hilarious
And I can smell bullshit a mile off.
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"I find it mad that in the modern world we live in that people still believe in God, science has proven /disproved almost everything about there been a god yet people still believe and even kill in the name of god " Sorry but I think you'll find this is not fact. All science is merely the current best model. Science is, by definition, in constant flux,it's fluid. You can never have 100% proof of anything. There will always be doubt. | |||
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"I find it mad that in the modern world we live in that people still believe in God, science has proven /disproved almost everything about there been a god yet people still believe and even kill in the name of god What has science actually disproved about there being no God. Have they proved The Big Bang Theory yet? Can it be actually proved? well evolution put abit of a spanner in the works for the whole god created man. Not necessarily - a god could have created the process of evolution." The thing about evolution is that it's based upon one assumption after another to creat a theory. This is the way science works. Evolution is not as widely accepted at high levels of science as many would think. There is a lot of silencing going on when certain assumptions are shown to no longer be correct. It's difficult to replace them and their doubt creates a big issue when something so big is bassed upon them. This is the same with many aspects of science. | |||
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"Here is my belief system laid bare. Science’s big bang - was created by a load of stuff flying around in space, that stuff was created by something, somewhere, somehow. It didn’t just appear. You can RCA and science it all to death, but you will never get to the root cause. Even if it boils down to 1 atom of carbon and 1 atom of hydrogen, something created them. That is why I have never given it up, as boring and as nuts as some of it is, I’ve picked my horse for the race, if I win, I move to the next level in the game, if I lose I get nothing. Personally I prefer gambling with the chance of winning something. Time for a Stella I'll have a Stella with you. Never ever argued with anyone about their faith. It is personal and totally understand. Don't mock or try to convert anyone, I just accept that we believe in different things. Not the same on here though is it? Except where you call people closed minded eh ? Yes. I call people that. Look back. The ones who want to stamp their beliefs on anyone else. I haven't argued that anyone's belief is wrong. You have though. Oh the irony
So hypocritical.
Enjoy your narrow-minded view.
We bet you never like to lose, do you?
Not to people who have a pointless and uneducated narrative.
I've lived on both sides of the debate, studied it and accomplished from it. You just blindly follow and castigate in a cliché dogmatic manner.
Enjoy your faith, embrace it and I sincerely hope you find comfort in it.
I have studied theology. Far more educated than you ever will be.
So clever that you can tell my faith even though I haven't mentioned it. Hilarious
And I can smell bullshit a mile off.
Sad. Very sad.
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"Does God exist .... no Can I prove he doesn’t exist ....no but can I prove that fairies, goblins, elves and orcs exist.... no But it doesn’t mean that they do. You can’t prove gravity exists You can’t prove love exists... So what is your point? Yes you can prove gravity exits it’s fundamental part of physics and can be proven. love is an emotion an emotions can be measured objectively by pupil dilation (eye tracking), skin conductance (EDA/GSR), brain activity (EEG, fMRI), heart rate (ECG), and facial expressions. God is belief in a supernatural being which you can’t prove any existence or evidence of. What you have described is evidence not proof. You can prove 2+2=4 You cant prove the above you can only provide evidence Mr tickle exists, I saw him at a kids party and there's a book about him. Just provided evidence and proof, now let's see the god squad do that. I would but:- Abraham is long dead and the burning bush got put out the Gurdwara Panja Sahib (boulder with handprint of Guru Nanak) is under travel restrictions You can proove Mr Tickles with your own eyes, fine, but you never met Napoleon or Atila the Hun, did they not exist because you didn't see them? I believe that Tutankhamen exists and he died 1300 years before Christmas. Why do I believe it? Because there's plenty of historical and scientific evidence preserved and documented. The Egyptians religious beliefs were very similar and predate the Bible by a considerable amount of time, yet you choose God over Amun Ra ? Considering Jesus was such an important figure, it's strange how we cant find any actual proof he even existed. What proof would you find acceptable? Certainly not a book that has been put together and fashioned Into so many different versions. , but let's say the cup that Christ offered at the last supper. That would give carbon dating and dna for a starter. Perhaps even a few drawings of him, we know how much the Romans loved their art so should be no real shortage of them. " To field this, no the bible isn't definitive proof that Jesus, son of a god, existed. There are, however, written accounts of the man's life. At the time, of course, written accounts were all that was available to scholars and high-borns. The first Christian writings to talk about Jesus are the epistles of St Paul, and scholars agree that the earliest of these letters were written within 25 years of Jesus’s death at the very latest, while the detailed biographical accounts of Jesus in the New Testament gospels date from around 40 years after he died. These all appeared within the lifetimes of numerous eyewitnesses, and provide descriptions that comport with the culture and geography of first-century Palestine. Secondly, there are many cups and artefacts from that period in museums. You could no more prove that cup was used by Jesus than by Pontius Pilate. Thirdly, why would the Romans commission a picture of him? Art materials in those days were scarce and expensive - Jesus was a common criminal to the Romans, so why waste their money? None of this proves that Jesus, the son of a god existed but historical evidence shows the high likelihood that a Rabbi called Jesus existed. Beyond that, is belief and faith. | |||
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"Does God exist .... no Can I prove he doesn’t exist ....no but can I prove that fairies, goblins, elves and orcs exist.... no But it doesn’t mean that they do. You can’t prove gravity exists You can’t prove love exists... So what is your point? Yes you can prove gravity exits it’s fundamental part of physics and can be proven. love is an emotion an emotions can be measured objectively by pupil dilation (eye tracking), skin conductance (EDA/GSR), brain activity (EEG, fMRI), heart rate (ECG), and facial expressions. God is belief in a supernatural being which you can’t prove any existence or evidence of. What you have described is evidence not proof. You can prove 2+2=4 You cant prove the above you can only provide evidence Mr tickle exists, I saw him at a kids party and there's a book about him. Just provided evidence and proof, now let's see the god squad do that. I would but:- Abraham is long dead and the burning bush got put out the Gurdwara Panja Sahib (boulder with handprint of Guru Nanak) is under travel restrictions You can proove Mr Tickles with your own eyes, fine, but you never met Napoleon or Atila the Hun, did they not exist because you didn't see them? I believe that Tutankhamen exists and he died 1300 years before Christmas. Why do I believe it? Because there's plenty of historical and scientific evidence preserved and documented. The Egyptians religious beliefs were very similar and predate the Bible by a considerable amount of time, yet you choose God over Amun Ra ? Considering Jesus was such an important figure, it's strange how we cant find any actual proof he even existed. What proof would you find acceptable? Certainly not a book that has been put together and fashioned Into so many different versions. , but let's say the cup that Christ offered at the last supper. That would give carbon dating and dna for a starter. Perhaps even a few drawings of him, we know how much the Romans loved their art so should be no real shortage of them. To field this, no the bible isn't definitive proof that Jesus, son of a god, existed. There are, however, written accounts of the man's life. At the time, of course, written accounts were all that was available to scholars and high-borns. The first Christian writings to talk about Jesus are the epistles of St Paul, and scholars agree that the earliest of these letters were written within 25 years of Jesus’s death at the very latest, while the detailed biographical accounts of Jesus in the New Testament gospels date from around 40 years after he died. These all appeared within the lifetimes of numerous eyewitnesses, and provide descriptions that comport with the culture and geography of first-century Palestine. Secondly, there are many cups and artefacts from that period in museums. You could no more prove that cup was used by Jesus than by Pontius Pilate. Thirdly, why would the Romans commission a picture of him? Art materials in those days were scarce and expensive - Jesus was a common criminal to the Romans, so why waste their money? None of this proves that Jesus, the son of a god existed but historical evidence shows the high likelihood that a Rabbi called Jesus existed. Beyond that, is belief and faith. " Interesting reading. | |||
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"I find it mad that in the modern world we live in that people still believe in God, science has proven /disproved almost everything about there been a god yet people still believe and even kill in the name of god What has science actually disproved about there being no God. Have they proved The Big Bang Theory yet? Can it be actually proved? well evolution put abit of a spanner in the works for the whole god created man. Is evolution then a fact? " Yes. | |||
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