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"Also another thing that hasn't been widely talked about is anybody with a severe mental illness is also covered in group 6 but even a lot of mental health services are not aware of this althogh I am surprised because it is very clearly on the government official list. If you think you fit into one of the categories England 6 I agree you should definitely make sure your GP surgery is aware. " Not sure if it was mental illness but more a severe learning disability. Maybe i am mistaken. | |||
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"Also another thing that hasn't been widely talked about is anybody with a severe mental illness is also covered in group 6 but even a lot of mental health services are not aware of this althogh I am surprised because it is very clearly on the government official list. If you think you fit into one of the categories England 6 I agree you should definitely make sure your GP surgery is aware. Not sure if it was mental illness but more a severe learning disability. Maybe i am mistaken." It's definitely there I checked before I posted, if you look at groups 6 it gives you the option to see what conditions are included and severe mental health conditions is at the bottom. | |||
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"https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccination-care-home-and-healthcare-settings-posters/covid-19-vaccination-first-phase-priority-groups This is the full list here and if anyone has one of these conditions and isn't sure whether their GP is aware it's definitely worth contacting them." As an aside, it really worries me that GPs should need to be told that their patients have these sorts of condition. GPs are the gatekeepers of all medical care in this country and specialist clinics write to them, informing about treatment prescribed or procedures done. I read an article earlier about a lady with Down syndrome (an adult) but her GP did not know and had not advised her to shield. How can a GP not know about a condition that would be diagnosed in childhood and almost certainly cause the person to have ongoing medical needs throughout their life?! I have a poxy heart murmur that I was born with, used to get a flu jab but was told it didn't qualify anymore about 5yrs ago. My GP has my diagnosis of the heart murmur on my records from the 1980s, it's right next to my name when displayed on their computer during consultations and this is a condition that has caused me precisely zero problems in my life. They don't even seem to bother with periodic ECGs anymore. Yet, it's front and centre on my records. | |||
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"https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccination-care-home-and-healthcare-settings-posters/covid-19-vaccination-first-phase-priority-groups This is the full list here and if anyone has one of these conditions and isn't sure whether their GP is aware it's definitely worth contacting them. As an aside, it really worries me that GPs should need to be told that their patients have these sorts of condition. GPs are the gatekeepers of all medical care in this country and specialist clinics write to them, informing about treatment prescribed or procedures done. I read an article earlier about a lady with Down syndrome (an adult) but her GP did not know and had not advised her to shield. How can a GP not know about a condition that would be diagnosed in childhood and almost certainly cause the person to have ongoing medical needs throughout their life?! I have a poxy heart murmur that I was born with, used to get a flu jab but was told it didn't qualify anymore about 5yrs ago. My GP has my diagnosis of the heart murmur on my records from the 1980s, it's right next to my name when displayed on their computer during consultations and this is a condition that has caused me precisely zero problems in my life. They don't even seem to bother with periodic ECGs anymore. Yet, it's front and centre on my records. " Yes unfortunately. I was diagnosed diabetic for 7 years before my surgery managed to put it on my notes so didn't get called for checks and I didn't know i needed to until I moved surgeries.  | |||
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"https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccination-care-home-and-healthcare-settings-posters/covid-19-vaccination-first-phase-priority-groups This is the full list here and if anyone has one of these conditions and isn't sure whether their GP is aware it's definitely worth contacting them. As an aside, it really worries me that GPs should need to be told that their patients have these sorts of condition. GPs are the gatekeepers of all medical care in this country and specialist clinics write to them, informing about treatment prescribed or procedures done. I read an article earlier about a lady with Down syndrome (an adult) but her GP did not know and had not advised her to shield. How can a GP not know about a condition that would be diagnosed in childhood and almost certainly cause the person to have ongoing medical needs throughout their life?! I have a poxy heart murmur that I was born with, used to get a flu jab but was told it didn't qualify anymore about 5yrs ago. My GP has my diagnosis of the heart murmur on my records from the 1980s, it's right next to my name when displayed on their computer during consultations and this is a condition that has caused me precisely zero problems in my life. They don't even seem to bother with periodic ECGs anymore. Yet, it's front and centre on my records. Yes unfortunately. I was diagnosed diabetic for 7 years before my surgery managed to put it on my notes so didn't get called for checks and I didn't know i needed to until I moved surgeries. "But I don't understand how you get a diabetes (or frankly any) diagnosis without the GP either being the disgnoser or the GP being the originator of the referral to the hospital clinic, who then write letters every time you go! What kind of incompetent surgeries are these?! My GP surgery is an absolute pain in the arse to get through to (even prior to Covid) and the inability to get appointments irksome, but they do process all the hospital letters and most of the time, have a GP makes a phone appointment to discuss it. I can't so much as see my gynae surgeon for a 5min check up without a letter being sent about it. | |||
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"https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccination-care-home-and-healthcare-settings-posters/covid-19-vaccination-first-phase-priority-groups This is the full list here and if anyone has one of these conditions and isn't sure whether their GP is aware it's definitely worth contacting them. As an aside, it really worries me that GPs should need to be told that their patients have these sorts of condition. GPs are the gatekeepers of all medical care in this country and specialist clinics write to them, informing about treatment prescribed or procedures done. I read an article earlier about a lady with Down syndrome (an adult) but her GP did not know and had not advised her to shield. How can a GP not know about a condition that would be diagnosed in childhood and almost certainly cause the person to have ongoing medical needs throughout their life?! I have a poxy heart murmur that I was born with, used to get a flu jab but was told it didn't qualify anymore about 5yrs ago. My GP has my diagnosis of the heart murmur on my records from the 1980s, it's right next to my name when displayed on their computer during consultations and this is a condition that has caused me precisely zero problems in my life. They don't even seem to bother with periodic ECGs anymore. Yet, it's front and centre on my records. Yes unfortunately. I was diagnosed diabetic for 7 years before my surgery managed to put it on my notes so didn't get called for checks and I didn't know i needed to until I moved surgeries.
But I don't understand how you get a diabetes (or frankly any) diagnosis without the GP either being the disgnoser or the GP being the originator of the referral to the hospital clinic, who then write letters every time you go! What kind of incompetent surgeries are these?!
My GP surgery is an absolute pain in the arse to get through to (even prior to Covid) and the inability to get appointments irksome, but they do process all the hospital letters and most of the time, have a GP makes a phone appointment to discuss it.
I can't so much as see my gynae surgeon for a 5min check up without a letter being sent about it. "Mine went into special measures which is why I changed. The one I'm with now are much better. | |||
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"BMI of 40!!!! it can't go that high can it??? That's a mad BMI wouldn't of thought covid is even the biggest worry at that sort of number heart disease is most likely what people of that BMI should be worried about. " A BMI of 40 is probably quite common in this country Before I lost weight, at my heaviest I had a BMI of 38 and I was only a size 20 There are a lot of people a lot bigger so it really won't be that uncommon  | |||
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"I've not seen my GP for years. If others are the same then it wouldn't be so unusual that their gp doesn't know about their weight or general health etc." Weight and basic health - I can understand Not knowing someone has Down syndrome, diabetes or other serious health conditions? I find that insane. All of the health conditions on the list for group 6 Covid vaccine priority are the sort that a person will either require hospital diagnosis or are born with (apart from the BMI one) so I'm befuddled about how a GP would be unaware. Also most people with a BMI as high as 40 will have other conditions requiring treatment/medication so it's likely doctors should also be aware. | |||
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"BMI of 40!!!! it can't go that high can it??? That's a mad BMI wouldn't of thought covid is even the biggest worry at that sort of number heart disease is most likely what people of that BMI should be worried about. " mine is currently 45, was a lot higher. And no I have no weight related health issues. No hewett disease, cholesterol is fine, blood pressure fine. | |||
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"I've not seen my GP for years. If others are the same then it wouldn't be so unusual that their gp doesn't know about their weight or general health etc. Weight and basic health - I can understand Not knowing someone has Down syndrome, diabetes or other serious health conditions? I find that insane. All of the health conditions on the list for group 6 Covid vaccine priority are the sort that a person will either require hospital diagnosis or are born with (apart from the BMI one) so I'm befuddled about how a GP would be unaware. Also most people with a BMI as high as 40 will have other conditions requiring treatment/medication so it's likely doctors should also be aware. " downs syndrome is group 4 .. and my daughter was on her medical records with it but not clearly marked down as had to get her details changed so she was eligible for the vaccine. She has had it now though | |||
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"It’s not nasty it’s factual, if your BMI is over 40 don’t just passively tell your GP. Do something about it. We need to hear from people constantly calling people idiots for not following lockdown restrictions but we aren’t allowed to say that other lifestyle choices are unhealthy? Should smokers be prioritised for the vaccine too? " Following the law and being overweight are hardly the same thing and should not be put in the same category. Did anybody mention about casually telling their GP? | |||
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"They are absolutely the same thing. Both are life choices that carry health implications, one significantly higher than the other ( here’s a clue - being obese is much worse for you that seeing your friends and family). The fact the 1 has been made law is totally irrelevant. You can say being overweight doesn’t impact on others but of course it does, most of the time and cost in the NHS goes into treating preventable conditions that are caused by lifestyle choices - mainly overeating and smoking. Personally I don’t think we should be restricted in either way we should be free to be as fat as we want AND we should be able to continue our lives as normal should we chose too. I am merely pointing out the irony of obese people suddenly being worried about their health. " How are they the same thing because if I sneeze on you or near you you are not going to catch my fat are you? 
Following lockdown restrictions and being very overweight are not the same thing and you know that.
So you are making a lot of assumptions that people are not worrying about their weight.
Just accept these people are on the priority list and they should not be shamed or discouraged from contacting their GP to get a jab that could save their lives. | |||
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"I’ve not made any assumptions, if you have made it to a BMI of 40 you should have done something long before then. Please don’t speak on my behalf. I 100% believe they are the same thing because they are. They are lifestyle choices. Of course you can’t catch fat but obesity creates a burden on the NHS that we pay for through taxes. People absolutely shouldn’t feel ashamed but they absolutely should be told to lose weight. " Breaking lockdown laws is not a lifestyle choice.  | |||
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"Let's not shame people for being very overweight. The OP was being helpful so I don't understand why the nasty comments. " Human nature. Some people can only feel relevant if they can put others down in some way: it is what it is. | |||
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"They are absolutely the same thing. Both are life choices that carry health implications, one significantly higher than the other ( here’s a clue - being obese is much worse for you that seeing your friends and family). The fact the 1 has been made law is totally irrelevant. You can say being overweight doesn’t impact on others but of course it does, most of the time and cost in the NHS goes into treating preventable conditions that are caused by lifestyle choices - mainly overeating and smoking. Personally I don’t think we should be restricted in either way we should be free to be as fat as we want AND we should be able to continue our lives as normal should we chose too. I am merely pointing out the irony of obese people suddenly being worried about their health. " I'm not worried.. I've been on that list of people that should be careful from the start, but have volunteered throughout.. perhaps if I had health issues to go with my BMI of 45, ( actually as I've lost some it maybe around 43 now then maybe I would worry... But I have none.. not hidden or otherwise.. and actually I'm relatively healthy apart from my weight. I know I can lose weight if I try but it takes a lot of work and even more to maintain it and food is my stress relief just now... so I'll not worry to much. For many with a high BmI it isn't just a case of losing weight, there are many reasons why.... for me, I would only ever go down to about 12 to 13 stone...that would still be counted as obese. I feel too slim lower than that... and would be a size 12/14 then... in fact at 12 stone I'm nearer a 10/12... my ideal weight for my height is apparently 8st something.. which simply I would look awful at and last time I was anywhere near that weight, I was not healthy. | |||
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"Had a MOT at Doctors when I was 50 , had little bit high cholesterol god did they lay into me to lose weight and eat balanced diet , Iam 5ft 9 and weighed at that time 13 stone , actually was taken back at the telling off I got " my doctor is great... hes obese himself. He may tell me that its suggesting I lose some more weight... but then I'm still even now 5 stone lighter than I was... so while I have no health issues.. he doesn't tell me off. | |||
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"Had a MOT at Doctors when I was 50 , had little bit high cholesterol god did they lay into me to lose weight and eat balanced diet , Iam 5ft 9 and weighed at that time 13 stone , actually was taken back at the telling off I got my doctor is great... hes obese himself. He may tell me that its suggesting I lose some more weight... but then I'm still even now 5 stone lighter than I was... so while I have no health issues.. he doesn't tell me off. " Well the certainly do at my Doctors, it worked thou as cholesterol came down to normal levels , glad they gave me a dressing down | |||
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"Had a MOT at Doctors when I was 50 , had little bit high cholesterol god did they lay into me to lose weight and eat balanced diet , Iam 5ft 9 and weighed at that time 13 stone , actually was taken back at the telling off I got my doctor is great... hes obese himself. He may tell me that its suggesting I lose some more weight... but then I'm still even now 5 stone lighter than I was... so while I have no health issues.. he doesn't tell me off. Well the certainly do at my Doctors, it worked thou as cholesterol came down to normal levels , glad they gave me a dressing down " I think that's why I don't get a telling off.. no issues with cholesterol, no diabetes issues... no heart or lung issues...and I am normally pretty active. Normally spend my summers hiking up volcanoes etc... it's just I also like my food. Put on 5 stone since this time last year... well it was 6 plus but I've lost 1 st 10ln since Christmas | |||
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"Had a MOT at Doctors when I was 50 , had little bit high cholesterol god did they lay into me to lose weight and eat balanced diet , Iam 5ft 9 and weighed at that time 13 stone , actually was taken back at the telling off I got my doctor is great... hes obese himself. He may tell me that its suggesting I lose some more weight... but then I'm still even now 5 stone lighter than I was... so while I have no health issues.. he doesn't tell me off. Well the certainly do at my Doctors, it worked thou as cholesterol came down to normal levels , glad they gave me a dressing down I think that's why I don't get a telling off.. no issues with cholesterol, no diabetes issues... no heart or lung issues...and I am normally pretty active. Normally spend my summers hiking up volcanoes etc... it's just I also like my food. Put on 5 stone since this time last year... well it was 6 plus but I've lost 1 st 10ln since Christmas " you are lucky to be so healthy | |||
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" you are lucky to be so healthy " oh I know... and I do know that if I had any issues I would act. My issues with food is psychological and it's always be a crutch. I initially put on weight as a way to stop something bad that was happening to me...( and it worked) I find it very hard to willingly drop my weight below 14stone... | |||
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"Let's not shame people for being very overweight. The OP was being helpful so I don't understand why the nasty comments. " Thank you Lorna. I was only actually posting this for anyone who was interested. It's a shame that some people need to feel the need to point out the obvious and make others feel bad. | |||
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I can remember being around 10st as a teenager but never been lower than that since starting work.
A 38lb range difference does seem to indicate that more research needs doing on BMI. | |||
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"My BMI is 29 and i am overweight by 8lb. I did lose 10lb just before Christmas but its gone back on. I doubt its all food as i have not particularly changed my diet back to more unhealthy and i have been working in a physical job all through this pandemic with no furlough. My conclusion is that its the lack of going out and just generally walking and cycling as often as i liked. Even shopping for clothes is exercise when your walking around from shop to shop. My ideal weight should be 7st 10lb - 10st 6lb. The last time i was 7st 10lb i was probably aged about 12. .
I can remember being around 10st as a teenager but never been lower than that since starting work.
A 38lb range difference does seem to indicate that more research needs doing on BMI."I can't remember the link but there is one that takes into account other factors. I am a short arse... I'm heavy a good 9 stone over my ideal weight... yet I'm a clothes size 20.... my friend, 3 inches taller than me... 3 stone lighter than me . Is a size 26.... so it isn't always a simple case of weight vs height | |||
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"My BMI is 29 and i am overweight by 8lb. I did lose 10lb just before Christmas but its gone back on. I doubt its all food as i have not particularly changed my diet back to more unhealthy and i have been working in a physical job all through this pandemic with no furlough. My conclusion is that its the lack of going out and just generally walking and cycling as often as i liked. Even shopping for clothes is exercise when your walking around from shop to shop. My ideal weight should be 7st 10lb - 10st 6lb. The last time i was 7st 10lb i was probably aged about 12. .
I can remember being around 10st as a teenager but never been lower than that since starting work.
A 38lb range difference does seem to indicate that more research needs doing on BMI. I can't remember the link but there is one that takes into account other factors. I am a short arse... I'm heavy a good 9 stone over my ideal weight... yet I'm a clothes size 20.... my friend, 3 inches taller than me... 3 stone lighter than me . Is a size 26.... so it isn't always a simple case of weight vs height " | |||
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"Mine is 24.9 but have upped the exercise to get to below 24 as I’m carrying a little excess weight. The GPs shouldn’t have to contact people with this info about vaccines for people with a high BMI. It’s very easy to calculate and people can actually take a bit of responsibility for themselves by working it out and booking a vaccine. " You can't book unless invited, either by your GP or by letter centrally. All the invites are based on medical records, so if someone has a BMI over 40, but the GP is unaware, they won't get an invite and thus can't book. | |||
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"My BMI is 29 and i am overweight by 8lb. I did lose 10lb just before Christmas but its gone back on. I doubt its all food as i have not particularly changed my diet back to more unhealthy and i have been working in a physical job all through this pandemic with no furlough. My conclusion is that its the lack of going out and just generally walking and cycling as often as i liked. Even shopping for clothes is exercise when your walking around from shop to shop. My ideal weight should be 7st 10lb - 10st 6lb. The last time i was 7st 10lb i was probably aged about 12. .
I can remember being around 10st as a teenager but never been lower than that since starting work.
A 38lb range difference does seem to indicate that more research needs doing on BMI. I can't remember the link but there is one that takes into account other factors. I am a short arse... I'm heavy a good 9 stone over my ideal weight... yet I'm a clothes size 20.... my friend, 3 inches taller than me... 3 stone lighter than me . Is a size 26.... so it isn't always a simple case of weight vs height "Dress size would not be a good measure either. I am size 16 though being trans my hip size is a lot smaller than that. My body shape is an inverted triangle. BMI also measures internal fat, the stuff around your organs thats invisible to the outside, that along with a visibly large belly bulge is the most dangerous fat. | |||
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"BMI of 40!!!! it can't go that high can it??? That's a mad BMI wouldn't of thought covid is even the biggest worry at that sort of number heart disease is most likely what people of that BMI should be worried about. "  | |||
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"If you have a BMI of 40 or over Covid is the least of your worries! You're basically a pork scratching!" Ffs | |||
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"So nice to see the shamers out in force, you do realise not everyone can 'just lose weight' " * Of course they can The old excuse of “I can’t do anything about it” Just bury your head in the sand and keep Eating the junk food | |||
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It’s not about judging people or slating people. People just need to take responsibility x | |||
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"So nice to see the shamers out in force, you do realise not everyone can 'just lose weight' * Of course they can The old excuse of “I can’t do anything about it” Just bury your head in the sand and keep Eating the junk food " Really! Lack of education on why people struggle with weight is evident. If it was that simple we would all be slim and fit. | |||
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