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Germany have some issues with belief - (France are not that far behind either?
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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago
atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke. |
Oxford vaccine doses going unused in Germany as health minister tells public it is 'safe and effective'
Fewer than one-tenth of the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine doses delivered to Germany have been administered in the first few days of the roll-out as people have been hesitant to have the jab, according to Bloomberg.
It follows clashes between the EU and the drugmaker over whether countries in the union would get their first share of doses, and Germany's decision not to give the vaccine to anyone over 65.
Media reports about strong side effects of the vaccine also appear to have made people hesitant to take up the vaccine.
But AstraZeneca has said it has not seen reports of unexpected reactions and German health authorities have said the same.
The slow take-up has prompted health minister Jens Spahn to say the vaccine is "safe and effective" and he wouldn't hesitate to get it himself.
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By *lansmanMan
over a year ago
Sheffield |
"I'm confused why their media would report on bad side effects when it's not the case.
That makes no sense.  "
Its the same with the uk media too ... clickbait articles.
Covid was politicised from the beginning.. this is just a continuation with Germany. |
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over a year ago
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"I'm confused why their media would report on bad side effects when it's not the case.
That makes no sense.
Its the same with the uk media too ... clickbait articles.
Covid was politicised from the beginning.. this is just a continuation with Germany. "
This is different though.
This has serious implications and most sensible media wouldn't report in this manner.
This isn't some dodgy Russian or Chinese News station here, it's the German media.
It must just be one daft newspaper, I can't imagine a lot of them running a story like this to scare off the public from vaccination. |
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Beginning to get on my nerves people complaining they are at higher risk of catching Covid so should be shielding and yet at the same time don't want the vaccine.
It's fine by me. Ultimately it's personal choice and I would actually defend that above all else.
Noone should be made to have it. Wait for a year or two to see how many of us have turned into three headed zombies.
However once the vaccine program has reached all NHS / care workers / anyone else dealing with vulnerable people, then these workers should either have to take the vaccine, or must prove to their employer daily that you are Covid free (by taking a test at your own expense).
Anyone else -well its personal choice.
If we are then left with higher mortality rates amongst non-takers so be it. Natural selection will prevail.
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Oxford vaccine doses going unused in Germany as health minister tells public it is 'safe and effective'
Fewer than one-tenth of the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine doses delivered to Germany have been administered in the first few days of the roll-out as people have been hesitant to have the jab, according to Bloomberg.
It follows clashes between the EU and the drugmaker over whether countries in the union would get their first share of doses, and Germany's decision not to give the vaccine to anyone over 65.
Media reports about strong side effects of the vaccine also appear to have made people hesitant to take up the vaccine.
But AstraZeneca has said it has not seen reports of unexpected reactions and German health authorities have said the same.
The slow take-up has prompted health minister Jens Spahn to say the vaccine is "safe and effective" and he wouldn't hesitate to get it himself.
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This will be the same Germany and France who kicked off a diplomatic dick measuring contest to force az to deliver doses from the UK to the eu less than 3 weeks ago. Sehr schoen |
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By *lansmanMan
over a year ago
Sheffield |
"I'm confused why their media would report on bad side effects when it's not the case.
That makes no sense.
Its the same with the uk media too ... clickbait articles.
Covid was politicised from the beginning.. this is just a continuation with Germany.
This is different though.
This has serious implications and most sensible media wouldn't report in this manner.
This isn't some dodgy Russian or Chinese News station here, it's the German media.
It must just be one daft newspaper, I can't imagine a lot of them running a story like this to scare off the public from vaccination."
There have been articles in the G misrepresenting the benifits of vaccines, nothing different here.
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By *itty9899Man
over a year ago
Craggy Island |
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Oxford vaccine doses going unused in Germany as health minister tells public it is 'safe and effective'
Fewer than one-tenth of the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine doses delivered to Germany have been administered in the first few days of the roll-out as people have been hesitant to have the jab, according to Bloomberg.
It follows clashes between the EU and the drugmaker over whether countries in the union would get their first share of doses, and Germany's decision not to give the vaccine to anyone over 65.
Media reports about strong side effects of the vaccine also appear to have made people hesitant to take up the vaccine.
But AstraZeneca has said it has not seen reports of unexpected reactions and German health authorities have said the same.
The slow take-up has prompted health minister Jens Spahn to say the vaccine is "safe and effective" and he wouldn't hesitate to get it himself.
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Well, that the EU for we're best of out of it. To many chiefs not enough Indians. When countries would rather trust a unelected official to run a vaccine program instead of their own prime minister or presidents it their own fault. |
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"I'm confused why their media would report on bad side effects when it's not the case.
That makes no sense.
Not really. There's huge anti brit sentiment being stoked by media and politicians. "
A post attacking Germany them complaining about anti British attitudes. |
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Oxford vaccine doses going unused in Germany as health minister tells public it is 'safe and effective'
Fewer than one-tenth of the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine doses delivered to Germany have been administered in the first few days of the roll-out as people have been hesitant to have the jab, according to Bloomberg.
It follows clashes between the EU and the drugmaker over whether countries in the union would get their first share of doses, and Germany's decision not to give the vaccine to anyone over 65.
Media reports about strong side effects of the vaccine also appear to have made people hesitant to take up the vaccine.
But AstraZeneca has said it has not seen reports of unexpected reactions and German health authorities have said the same.
The slow take-up has prompted health minister Jens Spahn to say the vaccine is "safe and effective" and he wouldn't hesitate to get it himself.
Well, that the EU for we're best of out of it. To many chiefs not enough Indians. When countries would rather trust a unelected official to run a vaccine program instead of their own prime minister or presidents it their own fault. "
How is a Prime Minister or President automatically qualified to run a vaccine programme?! I'd suggest medical experts, appointed on merit, by competitive application, are the best qualified. We have presidents and PMs in some countries promoting juice cleanses or saying incantations instead of promoting vaccines or even acknowledging Covid exists. |
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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago
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"Presumably people are aware that we have issues in our own country with people not taking the vaccine?
God forbid it's not another anti eu thread."
It may come as news to you lionel but not everything is about Brexit. |
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"Presumably people are aware that we have issues in our own country with people not taking the vaccine?
God forbid it's not another anti eu thread."
Of course. Does that preclude discussing issues with other countries? Or are we only allowed to do that for issues that we are 100 % successful with? |
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"Presumably people are aware that we have issues in our own country with people not taking the vaccine?
God forbid it's not another anti eu thread.
It may come as news to you lionel but not everything is about Brexit."
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"Presumably people are aware that we have issues in our own country with people not taking the vaccine?
God forbid it's not another anti eu thread.
Of course. Does that preclude discussing issues with other countries? Or are we only allowed to do that for issues that we are 100 % successful with? "
Not at all
But perhaps look at our own issues 1st |
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"Presumably people are aware that we have issues in our own country with people not taking the vaccine?
God forbid it's not another anti eu thread.
Of course. Does that preclude discussing issues with other countries? Or are we only allowed to do that for issues that we are 100 % successful with?
Not at all
But perhaps look at our own issues 1st"
boris has made many mistakes but no one can deny how much of a success the vaccine program has been in this country! |
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"Presumably people are aware that we have issues in our own country with people not taking the vaccine?
God forbid it's not another anti eu thread.
Of course. Does that preclude discussing issues with other countries? Or are we only allowed to do that for issues that we are 100 % successful with?
Not at all
But perhaps look at our own issues 1stboris has made many mistakes but no one can deny how much of a success the vaccine program has been in this country!"
Yep the nhs has been magnificent |
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By *JCouple
over a year ago
Teesside |
"A lot of it has got to do with people believing fake news "
Exactly I fear fake news will be one of the biggest threats of this coming decade. Humanity especially in the west needs to really start looking at doing something about it because its quite frankly its getting ridiculous.
When a number of your family, colleagues and friends start to take about the fake news as if its factual, correct then you start to grasp the scale of the problem.
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By *lansmanMan
over a year ago
Sheffield |
"Presumably people are aware that we have issues in our own country with people not taking the vaccine?
God forbid it's not another anti eu thread.
Of course. Does that preclude discussing issues with other countries? Or are we only allowed to do that for issues that we are 100 % successful with?
Not at all
But perhaps look at our own issues 1stboris has made many mistakes but no one can deny how much of a success the vaccine program has been in this country!
Yep the nhs has been magnificent "
Except for the high number of people who caught covid in hospital .. see how you can spin things ? |
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"Presumably people are aware that we have issues in our own country with people not taking the vaccine?
God forbid it's not another anti eu thread.
Of course. Does that preclude discussing issues with other countries? Or are we only allowed to do that for issues that we are 100 % successful with?
Not at all
But perhaps look at our own issues 1stboris has made many mistakes but no one can deny how much of a success the vaccine program has been in this country!
Yep the nhs has been magnificent
Except for the high number of people who caught covid in hospital .. see how you can spin things ?"
The people who caught it when they went into hospital? |
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By *lansmanMan
over a year ago
Sheffield |
"Presumably people are aware that we have issues in our own country with people not taking the vaccine?
God forbid it's not another anti eu thread.
Of course. Does that preclude discussing issues with other countries? Or are we only allowed to do that for issues that we are 100 % successful with?
Not at all
But perhaps look at our own issues 1stboris has made many mistakes but no one can deny how much of a success the vaccine program has been in this country!
Yep the nhs has been magnificent
Except for the high number of people who caught covid in hospital .. see how you can spin things ?
The people who caught it when they went into hospital?"
an article in the uk press this week mentioned a high number , 30,000 or so. |
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"Presumably people are aware that we have issues in our own country with people not taking the vaccine?
God forbid it's not another anti eu thread.
Of course. Does that preclude discussing issues with other countries? Or are we only allowed to do that for issues that we are 100 % successful with?
Not at all
But perhaps look at our own issues 1stboris has made many mistakes but no one can deny how much of a success the vaccine program has been in this country!
Yep the nhs has been magnificent "
So we've discussed our vaccine program and agreed that so far it's going very well.
German electioneering seems to be having an impact on rolling out the vaccine.
This from politico...
Some EU officials and diplomats say the European Commission, under its German president, Ursula von der Leyen, is paying too much attention to pressure from Germany and being rushed into bad decisions. They also express concern that the EU is taking a public beating because it suits some German politicians to attack Brussels.
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"Presumably people are aware that we have issues in our own country with people not taking the vaccine?
God forbid it's not another anti eu thread.
Of course. Does that preclude discussing issues with other countries? Or are we only allowed to do that for issues that we are 100 % successful with?
Not at all
But perhaps look at our own issues 1stboris has made many mistakes but no one can deny how much of a success the vaccine program has been in this country!
Yep the nhs has been magnificent
Except for the high number of people who caught covid in hospital .. see how you can spin things ?
The people who caught it when they went into hospital?an article in the uk press this week mentioned a high number , 30,000 or so. "
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"Presumably people are aware that we have issues in our own country with people not taking the vaccine?
God forbid it's not another anti eu thread.
Of course. Does that preclude discussing issues with other countries? Or are we only allowed to do that for issues that we are 100 % successful with?
Not at all
But perhaps look at our own issues 1stboris has made many mistakes but no one can deny how much of a success the vaccine program has been in this country!
Yep the nhs has been magnificent
Except for the high number of people who caught covid in hospital .. see how you can spin things ?
The people who caught it when they went into hospital?an article in the uk press this week mentioned a high number , 30,000 or so.
Got a link?"
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"Presumably people are aware that we have issues in our own country with people not taking the vaccine?
God forbid it's not another anti eu thread.
Of course. Does that preclude discussing issues with other countries? Or are we only allowed to do that for issues that we are 100 % successful with?
Not at all
But perhaps look at our own issues 1stboris has made many mistakes but no one can deny how much of a success the vaccine program has been in this country!
Yep the nhs has been magnificent
So we've discussed our vaccine program and agreed that so far it's going very well.
German electioneering seems to be having an impact on rolling out the vaccine.
This from politico...
Some EU officials and diplomats say the European Commission, under its German president, Ursula von der Leyen, is paying too much attention to pressure from Germany and being rushed into bad decisions. They also express concern that the EU is taking a public beating because it suits some German politicians to attack Brussels.
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I think there are issues here around care homes and certain groups are reluctant to have it.
I dont know what's happening in Europe because there is that much bullshit flying around it's hard to know what to believe.
It would probably be too idealistic to think that there would be some cooperation in getting through it. |
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"Presumably people are aware that we have issues in our own country with people not taking the vaccine?
God forbid it's not another anti eu thread.
Of course. Does that preclude discussing issues with other countries? Or are we only allowed to do that for issues that we are 100 % successful with?
Not at all
But perhaps look at our own issues 1stboris has made many mistakes but no one can deny how much of a success the vaccine program has been in this country!
Yep the nhs has been magnificent
Except for the high number of people who caught covid in hospital .. see how you can spin things ?
The people who caught it when they went into hospital?an article in the uk press this week mentioned a high number , 30,000 or so.
Got a link?
you put a link up, you get a min 24 hours ban..."
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By *lansmanMan
over a year ago
Sheffield |
"Presumably people are aware that we have issues in our own country with people not taking the vaccine?
God forbid it's not another anti eu thread.
Of course. Does that preclude discussing issues with other countries? Or are we only allowed to do that for issues that we are 100 % successful with?
Not at all
But perhaps look at our own issues 1stboris has made many mistakes but no one can deny how much of a success the vaccine program has been in this country!
Yep the nhs has been magnificent
Except for the high number of people who caught covid in hospital .. see how you can spin things ?
The people who caught it when they went into hospital?an article in the uk press this week mentioned a high number , 30,000 or so.
Got a link?"
https://www.hsj.co.uk/coronavirus/over-450-people-a-day-caught-covid-in-hospitals-during-january/7029404.article |
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"Presumably people are aware that we have issues in our own country with people not taking the vaccine?
God forbid it's not another anti eu thread.
Of course. Does that preclude discussing issues with other countries? Or are we only allowed to do that for issues that we are 100 % successful with?
Not at all
But perhaps look at our own issues 1stboris has made many mistakes but no one can deny how much of a success the vaccine program has been in this country!
Yep the nhs has been magnificent
So we've discussed our vaccine program and agreed that so far it's going very well.
German electioneering seems to be having an impact on rolling out the vaccine.
This from politico...
Some EU officials and diplomats say the European Commission, under its German president, Ursula von der Leyen, is paying too much attention to pressure from Germany and being rushed into bad decisions. They also express concern that the EU is taking a public beating because it suits some German politicians to attack Brussels.
I think there are issues here around care homes and certain groups are reluctant to have it.
I dont know what's happening in Europe because there is that much bullshit flying around it's hard to know what to believe.
It would probably be too idealistic to think that there would be some cooperation in getting through it."
Well we agree that cooperation being much more effective than competing with eachother. |
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By *lansmanMan
over a year ago
Sheffield |
"Presumably people are aware that we have issues in our own country with people not taking the vaccine?
God forbid it's not another anti eu thread.
Of course. Does that preclude discussing issues with other countries? Or are we only allowed to do that for issues that we are 100 % successful with?
Not at all
But perhaps look at our own issues 1stboris has made many mistakes but no one can deny how much of a success the vaccine program has been in this country!
Yep the nhs has been magnificent
Except for the high number of people who caught covid in hospital .. see how you can spin things ?
The people who caught it when they went into hospital?an article in the uk press this week mentioned a high number , 30,000 or so.
Got a link?"
In fact just Google " caught covid in hospital "
Hospitals are dangerous places.. |
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"Presumably people are aware that we have issues in our own country with people not taking the vaccine?
God forbid it's not another anti eu thread.
Of course. Does that preclude discussing issues with other countries? Or are we only allowed to do that for issues that we are 100 % successful with?
Not at all
But perhaps look at our own issues 1stboris has made many mistakes but no one can deny how much of a success the vaccine program has been in this country!
Yep the nhs has been magnificent
Except for the high number of people who caught covid in hospital .. see how you can spin things ?
The people who caught it when they went into hospital?an article in the uk press this week mentioned a high number , 30,000 or so.
Got a link?
https://www.hsj.co.uk/coronavirus/over-450-people-a-day-caught-covid-in-hospitals-during-january/7029404.article"
I suppose hospitals are drivers for it..I goess ..but you would have thought they would be able to contain it more? |
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"Presumably people are aware that we have issues in our own country with people not taking the vaccine?
God forbid it's not another anti eu thread.
Of course. Does that preclude discussing issues with other countries? Or are we only allowed to do that for issues that we are 100 % successful with?
Not at all
But perhaps look at our own issues 1stboris has made many mistakes but no one can deny how much of a success the vaccine program has been in this country!
Yep the nhs has been magnificent
So we've discussed our vaccine program and agreed that so far it's going very well.
German electioneering seems to be having an impact on rolling out the vaccine.
This from politico...
Some EU officials and diplomats say the European Commission, under its German president, Ursula von der Leyen, is paying too much attention to pressure from Germany and being rushed into bad decisions. They also express concern that the EU is taking a public beating because it suits some German politicians to attack Brussels.
I think there are issues here around care homes and certain groups are reluctant to have it.
I dont know what's happening in Europe because there is that much bullshit flying around it's hard to know what to believe.
It would probably be too idealistic to think that there would be some cooperation in getting through it.
Well we agree that cooperation being much more effective than competing with eachother. "
There has been precous little of that. |
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By *lansmanMan
over a year ago
Sheffield |
"Presumably people are aware that we have issues in our own country with people not taking the vaccine?
God forbid it's not another anti eu thread.
Of course. Does that preclude discussing issues with other countries? Or are we only allowed to do that for issues that we are 100 % successful with?
Not at all
But perhaps look at our own issues 1stboris has made many mistakes but no one can deny how much of a success the vaccine program has been in this country!
Yep the nhs has been magnificent
Except for the high number of people who caught covid in hospital .. see how you can spin things ?
The people who caught it when they went into hospital?an article in the uk press this week mentioned a high number , 30,000 or so.
Got a link?
https://www.hsj.co.uk/coronavirus/over-450-people-a-day-caught-covid-in-hospitals-during-january/7029404.article
I suppose hospitals are drivers for it..I goess ..but you would have thought they would be able to contain it more?"
It was an unknown entity in the early days, plus getting overwhelmed doesnt help. |
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"Presumably people are aware that we have issues in our own country with people not taking the vaccine?
God forbid it's not another anti eu thread.
Of course. Does that preclude discussing issues with other countries? Or are we only allowed to do that for issues that we are 100 % successful with?
Not at all
But perhaps look at our own issues 1stboris has made many mistakes but no one can deny how much of a success the vaccine program has been in this country!
Yep the nhs has been magnificent
Except for the high number of people who caught covid in hospital .. see how you can spin things ?
The people who caught it when they went into hospital?an article in the uk press this week mentioned a high number , 30,000 or so.
Got a link?
https://www.hsj.co.uk/coronavirus/over-450-people-a-day-caught-covid-in-hospitals-during-january/7029404.article
I suppose hospitals are drivers for it..I goess ..but you would have thought they would be able to contain it more?
It was an unknown entity in the early days, plus getting overwhelmed doesnt help."
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By *ioloCouple
over a year ago
Basingstoke |
The Europeans never wanted the AstraZeneca. The company’s initial cock-up was a very bad PR in societies already circumspect towards vaccines. They didn’t forget yet the swine flu vaccine either. On top of that is AZ efficacy, try to persuade the Germans or French to go for anything else other than very best. Do not forget that Phizer is a German vaccine, they call it just BioNtech. |
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By *ax777Man
over a year ago
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According to the Ourworldindata website, a survey of Germans who said they would take a Covid 19 vaccine if it was available to them ( 31 Dec 2020), only 41% said they would so. That figure is way higher though than a French survey this week, in which only 30% of French people said they would take a vaccine if available. The corresponding UK figure was 71%. |
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"According to the Ourworldindata website, a survey of Germans who said they would take a Covid 19 vaccine if it was available to them ( 31 Dec 2020), only 41% said they would so. That figure is way higher though than a French survey this week, in which only 30% of French people said they would take a vaccine if available. The corresponding UK figure was 71%."
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By *lansmanMan
over a year ago
Sheffield |
"According to the Ourworldindata website, a survey of Germans who said they would take a Covid 19 vaccine if it was available to them ( 31 Dec 2020), only 41% said they would so. That figure is way higher though than a French survey this week, in which only 30% of French people said they would take a vaccine if available. The corresponding UK figure was 71%.
Wowsers "
And to think , we won't be truly be able to move on until the rest of the world is vaccinated.. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"The Europeans never wanted the AstraZeneca. The company’s initial cock-up was a very bad PR in societies already circumspect towards vaccines. They didn’t forget yet the swine flu vaccine either. On top of that is AZ efficacy, try to persuade the Germans or French to go for anything else other than very best. Do not forget that Phizer is a German vaccine, they call it just BioNtech."
They do not want it because it is basically British,they would be the same if we where still in EU Europeans do not like us exept when we give them money remowners should realise this fact.
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"Presumably people are aware that we have issues in our own country with people not taking the vaccine?
God forbid it's not another anti eu thread.
Of course. Does that preclude discussing issues with other countries? Or are we only allowed to do that for issues that we are 100 % successful with?
Not at all
But perhaps look at our own issues 1stboris has made many mistakes but no one can deny how much of a success the vaccine program has been in this country!
Yep the nhs has been magnificent
Except for the high number of people who caught covid in hospital .. see how you can spin things ?
The people who caught it when they went into hospital?an article in the uk press this week mentioned a high number , 30,000 or so.
Got a link?
https://www.hsj.co.uk/coronavirus/over-450-people-a-day-caught-covid-in-hospitals-during-january/7029404.article"
Waiting to see if you get a 24 hour ban as well for posting a link!.. mine was a warning that the Virus hadn't been isolated.. maybe yours won't count. |
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"Presumably people are aware that we have issues in our own country with people not taking the vaccine?
God forbid it's not another anti eu thread.
Of course. Does that preclude discussing issues with other countries? Or are we only allowed to do that for issues that we are 100 % successful with?
Not at all
But perhaps look at our own issues 1stboris has made many mistakes but no one can deny how much of a success the vaccine program has been in this country!
Yep the nhs has been magnificent
Except for the high number of people who caught covid in hospital .. see how you can spin things ?
The people who caught it when they went into hospital?an article in the uk press this week mentioned a high number , 30,000 or so.
Got a link?
you put a link up, you get a min 24 hours ban..."
Links to reputable news organisations are permitted. It's worth reviewing site and forum terms |
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So they would trust the Russian or Chinese one then? And let’s face it, the French have always hung on to the Germans coat tails ... let em get on with it ....
Germany might wake up and smell the coffee some day and realise they are the bank of Europe now... but the French will have their grubby fingers in the till when the Germans ain’t looking |
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"Presumably people are aware that we have issues in our own country with people not taking the vaccine?
God forbid it's not another anti eu thread.
Of course. Does that preclude discussing issues with other countries? Or are we only allowed to do that for issues that we are 100 % successful with?
Not at all
But perhaps look at our own issues 1stboris has made many mistakes but no one can deny how much of a success the vaccine program has been in this country!
Yep the nhs has been magnificent
Except for the high number of people who caught covid in hospital .. see how you can spin things ?
The people who caught it when they went into hospital?an article in the uk press this week mentioned a high number , 30,000 or so.
Got a link?
https://www.hsj.co.uk/coronavirus/over-450-people-a-day-caught-covid-in-hospitals-during-january/7029404.article
Waiting to see if you get a 24 hour ban as well for posting a link!.. mine was a warning that the Virus hadn't been isolated.. maybe yours won't count."
That virus isolation meme you just mention, that had flooded fbook and other social sites etc, was 1 of those mad misdirections, that didn't grasp the science and reality of viruses. Bacteria are isolated and that process has existed since the late 1800s - Viruses hadn't been identified at that date, so the unique properties of viruses weren't known about and thus the 1800s validation criteria for bacteria are not relevant to, and are impossible for viruses. I'm not referring to your post of the past, just to the theme that some antivaxers elsewhere, had flooded social sites with. They're discredited of course. |
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"Presumably people are aware that we have issues in our own country with people not taking the vaccine?
God forbid it's not another anti eu thread.
Of course. Does that preclude discussing issues with other countries? Or are we only allowed to do that for issues that we are 100 % successful with?
Not at all
But perhaps look at our own issues 1stboris has made many mistakes but no one can deny how much of a success the vaccine program has been in this country!
Yep the nhs has been magnificent
Except for the high number of people who caught covid in hospital .. see how you can spin things ?
The people who caught it when they went into hospital?an article in the uk press this week mentioned a high number , 30,000 or so.
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https://www.hsj.co.uk/coronavirus/over-450-people-a-day-caught-covid-in-hospitals-during-january/7029404.article
I suppose hospitals are drivers for it..I goess ..but you would have thought they would be able to contain it more?
It was an unknown entity in the early days, plus getting overwhelmed doesnt help."
Not that unknown. How do you stop spreading an airborne and surface contact disease? Ask your gran she'll tell you. Wash your hands... Adopt even basic hygiene standards. Wash your uniform. Don't cough over eachother. Isolate the infection rather than spread it. None of that is rocket science and is mostly down to individuals. |
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The french and Germans never said the AZ vaccine was unsafe, just that it's efficacy was unproven in the over 65s. If you have a Pfizer vaccine that is shown to work in over 65s and an Oxford one that hasn't yet been shown to work in the over 65s then it makes sense to vaccinate the over 65s with the Pfizer one.
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By *lansmanMan
over a year ago
Sheffield |
"Presumably people are aware that we have issues in our own country with people not taking the vaccine?
God forbid it's not another anti eu thread.
Of course. Does that preclude discussing issues with other countries? Or are we only allowed to do that for issues that we are 100 % successful with?
Not at all
But perhaps look at our own issues 1stboris has made many mistakes but no one can deny how much of a success the vaccine program has been in this country!
Yep the nhs has been magnificent
Except for the high number of people who caught covid in hospital .. see how you can spin things ?
The people who caught it when they went into hospital?an article in the uk press this week mentioned a high number , 30,000 or so.
Got a link?
https://www.hsj.co.uk/coronavirus/over-450-people-a-day-caught-covid-in-hospitals-during-january/7029404.article
I suppose hospitals are drivers for it..I goess ..but you would have thought they would be able to contain it more?
It was an unknown entity in the early days, plus getting overwhelmed doesnt help.
Not that unknown. How do you stop spreading an airborne and surface contact disease? Ask your gran she'll tell you. Wash your hands... Adopt even basic hygiene standards. Wash your uniform. Don't cough over eachother. Isolate the infection rather than spread it. None of that is rocket science and is mostly down to individuals. "
True enough. I was trying to be kind to the NHS.
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"The french and Germans never said the AZ vaccine was unsafe, just that it's efficacy was unproven in the over 65s. If you have a Pfizer vaccine that is shown to work in over 65s and an Oxford one that hasn't yet been shown to work in the over 65s then it makes sense to vaccinate the over 65s with the Pfizer one.
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True enough. But then if you are prioritising over 70s and vulnerable as the first to receive the vaccine, and you are saying only the Pfizer vaccine is proven in those age groups... You don't really need to kickoff about az not providing plentiful doses. Unless the eu policy has become a country by country affair and they can each choose which vaccines they roll out in each country. |
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"Presumably people are aware that we have issues in our own country with people not taking the vaccine?
God forbid it's not another anti eu thread.
Of course. Does that preclude discussing issues with other countries? Or are we only allowed to do that for issues that we are 100 % successful with?
Not at all
But perhaps look at our own issues 1stboris has made many mistakes but no one can deny how much of a success the vaccine program has been in this country!
Yep the nhs has been magnificent
Except for the high number of people who caught covid in hospital .. see how you can spin things ?
The people who caught it when they went into hospital?an article in the uk press this week mentioned a high number , 30,000 or so.
Got a link?
https://www.hsj.co.uk/coronavirus/over-450-people-a-day-caught-covid-in-hospitals-during-january/7029404.article
I suppose hospitals are drivers for it..I goess ..but you would have thought they would be able to contain it more?
It was an unknown entity in the early days, plus getting overwhelmed doesnt help.
Not that unknown. How do you stop spreading an airborne and surface contact disease? Ask your gran she'll tell you. Wash your hands... Adopt even basic hygiene standards. Wash your uniform. Don't cough over eachother. Isolate the infection rather than spread it. None of that is rocket science and is mostly down to individuals.
True enough. I was trying to be kind to the NHS.
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And in some cases it deserves kindness but not in all cases.
Sadly the only thing we are allowed to say about the nhs is to worship at its alter. We aren't allowed to debate its short comings. And before the years of neglect is thrown in there. It costs no money to adopt the most simple of hygiene and isolation measures. For example travelling to and from work in uniform. |
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By *lansmanMan
over a year ago
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"Presumably people are aware that we have issues in our own country with people not taking the vaccine?
God forbid it's not another anti eu thread.
Of course. Does that preclude discussing issues with other countries? Or are we only allowed to do that for issues that we are 100 % successful with?
Not at all
But perhaps look at our own issues 1stboris has made many mistakes but no one can deny how much of a success the vaccine program has been in this country!
Yep the nhs has been magnificent
Except for the high number of people who caught covid in hospital .. see how you can spin things ?
The people who caught it when they went into hospital?an article in the uk press this week mentioned a high number , 30,000 or so.
Got a link?
https://www.hsj.co.uk/coronavirus/over-450-people-a-day-caught-covid-in-hospitals-during-january/7029404.article
I suppose hospitals are drivers for it..I goess ..but you would have thought they would be able to contain it more?
It was an unknown entity in the early days, plus getting overwhelmed doesnt help.
Not that unknown. How do you stop spreading an airborne and surface contact disease? Ask your gran she'll tell you. Wash your hands... Adopt even basic hygiene standards. Wash your uniform. Don't cough over eachother. Isolate the infection rather than spread it. None of that is rocket science and is mostly down to individuals.
True enough. I was trying to be kind to the NHS.
And in some cases it deserves kindness but not in all cases.
Sadly the only thing we are allowed to say about the nhs is to worship at its alter. We aren't allowed to debate its short comings. And before the years of neglect is thrown in there. It costs no money to adopt the most simple of hygiene and isolation measures. For example travelling to and from work in uniform. "
With you 100 % .. a good article in the guardian today about it |
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"Irish front line workers are unhappy they are being offered Astra, as it protection is only 60-70% compared to 95% for Pfizer & Moderna.
Certainly if I was front line I would be expecting the best protection available"
Have Pfizer and modern delivered supplies? Ie is it even an option at the moment? |
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"Irish front line workers are unhappy they are being offered Astra, as it protection is only 60-70% compared to 95% for Pfizer & Moderna.
Certainly if I was front line I would be expecting the best protection available"
Do the same healthcare workers accept the annual flu jab? Many of those can be less than 70% efficacious. In 2019, it was only about 40-50%... |
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"Irish front line workers are unhappy they are being offered Astra, as it protection is only 60-70% compared to 95% for Pfizer & Moderna.
Certainly if I was front line I would be expecting the best protection available
Do the same healthcare workers accept the annual flu jab? Many of those can be less than 70% efficacious. In 2019, it was only about 40-50%..."
Do people get a choice of flu jab supplier? |
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"Irish front line workers are unhappy they are being offered Astra, as it protection is only 60-70% compared to 95% for Pfizer & Moderna.
Certainly if I was front line I would be expecting the best protection available
Do the same healthcare workers accept the annual flu jab? Many of those can be less than 70% efficacious. In 2019, it was only about 40-50%...
Do people get a choice of flu jab supplier? "
Not in the UK/NHS, no. Unknown in ROI. |
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"Irish front line workers are unhappy they are being offered Astra, as it protection is only 60-70% compared to 95% for Pfizer & Moderna.
Certainly if I was front line I would be expecting the best protection available
Do the same healthcare workers accept the annual flu jab? Many of those can be less than 70% efficacious. In 2019, it was only about 40-50%...
Do people get a choice of flu jab supplier?
Not in the UK/NHS, no. Unknown in ROI."
So is it not a question... Do you want 60% protection or no protection? I'm not seeing the issue. |
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"Irish front line workers are unhappy they are being offered Astra, as it protection is only 60-70% compared to 95% for Pfizer & Moderna.
Certainly if I was front line I would be expecting the best protection available
Do the same healthcare workers accept the annual flu jab? Many of those can be less than 70% efficacious. In 2019, it was only about 40-50%...
Do people get a choice of flu jab supplier?
Not in the UK/NHS, no. Unknown in ROI.
So is it not a question... Do you want 60% protection or no protection? I'm not seeing the issue. "
My point being we (the general public) have never really known much/anything about the efficacy rate of various vaccines, yet I doubt many people have been concerned about that when taking a vaccine (or not). The data has always been there in scientific papers but they haven't routinely been publicised in the mass media. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
upton wirral |
"Irish front line workers are unhappy they are being offered Astra, as it protection is only 60-70% compared to 95% for Pfizer & Moderna.
Certainly if I was front line I would be expecting the best protection available
Do the same healthcare workers accept the annual flu jab? Many of those can be less than 70% efficacious. In 2019, it was only about 40-50%...
Do people get a choice of flu jab supplier? "
They do not get a choice of covid vaccine supplier either,you get what they have that day |
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"Irish front line workers are unhappy they are being offered Astra, as it protection is only 60-70% compared to 95% for Pfizer & Moderna.
Certainly if I was front line I would be expecting the best protection available
Do the same healthcare workers accept the annual flu jab? Many of those can be less than 70% efficacious. In 2019, it was only about 40-50%...
Do people get a choice of flu jab supplier?
Not in the UK/NHS, no. Unknown in ROI.
So is it not a question... Do you want 60% protection or no protection? I'm not seeing the issue.
My point being we (the general public) have never really known much/anything about the efficacy rate of various vaccines, yet I doubt many people have been concerned about that when taking a vaccine (or not). The data has always been there in scientific papers but they haven't routinely been publicised in the mass media. "
Does it not seem to be a thing of what someone wants compared to what they can have? I want a 10 inch cock but I'll just have to make do with this 12 incher |
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"Irish front line workers are unhappy they are being offered Astra, as it protection is only 60-70% compared to 95% for Pfizer & Moderna.
Certainly if I was front line I would be expecting the best protection available
Do the same healthcare workers accept the annual flu jab? Many of those can be less than 70% efficacious. In 2019, it was only about 40-50%...
Do people get a choice of flu jab supplier?
Not in the UK/NHS, no. Unknown in ROI.
So is it not a question... Do you want 60% protection or no protection? I'm not seeing the issue.
My point being we (the general public) have never really known much/anything about the efficacy rate of various vaccines, yet I doubt many people have been concerned about that when taking a vaccine (or not). The data has always been there in scientific papers but they haven't routinely been publicised in the mass media.
Does it not seem to be a thing of what someone wants compared to what they can have? I want a 10 inch cock but I'll just have to make do with this 12 incher"
But both do the job perfectly well, no?! |
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"Irish front line workers are unhappy they are being offered Astra, as it protection is only 60-70% compared to 95% for Pfizer & Moderna.
Certainly if I was front line I would be expecting the best protection available
Do the same healthcare workers accept the annual flu jab? Many of those can be less than 70% efficacious. In 2019, it was only about 40-50%...
Do people get a choice of flu jab supplier?
Not in the UK/NHS, no. Unknown in ROI.
So is it not a question... Do you want 60% protection or no protection? I'm not seeing the issue.
My point being we (the general public) have never really known much/anything about the efficacy rate of various vaccines, yet I doubt many people have been concerned about that when taking a vaccine (or not). The data has always been there in scientific papers but they haven't routinely been publicised in the mass media.
Does it not seem to be a thing of what someone wants compared to what they can have? I want a 10 inch cock but I'll just have to make do with this 12 incher
But both do the job perfectly well, no?! "
It only performs 67% of the time... But after two goes within 4 weeks it guarantees satisfaction. |
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"Irish front line workers are unhappy they are being offered Astra, as it protection is only 60-70% compared to 95% for Pfizer & Moderna.
Certainly if I was front line I would be expecting the best protection available
Do the same healthcare workers accept the annual flu jab? Many of those can be less than 70% efficacious. In 2019, it was only about 40-50%...
Do people get a choice of flu jab supplier?
Not in the UK/NHS, no. Unknown in ROI.
So is it not a question... Do you want 60% protection or no protection? I'm not seeing the issue.
My point being we (the general public) have never really known much/anything about the efficacy rate of various vaccines, yet I doubt many people have been concerned about that when taking a vaccine (or not). The data has always been there in scientific papers but they haven't routinely been publicised in the mass media.
Does it not seem to be a thing of what someone wants compared to what they can have? I want a 10 inch cock but I'll just have to make do with this 12 incher
But both do the job perfectly well, no?!
It only performs 67% of the time... But after two goes within 4 weeks it guarantees satisfaction. "
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
Bristol |
"Irish front line workers are unhappy they are being offered Astra, as it protection is only 60-70% compared to 95% for Pfizer & Moderna.
Certainly if I was front line I would be expecting the best protection available"
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By *reyyaMan
over a year ago
North Yorkshire |
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Oxford vaccine doses going unused in Germany as health minister tells public it is 'safe and effective'
Fewer than one-tenth of the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine doses delivered to Germany have been administered in the first few days of the roll-out as people have been hesitant to have the jab, according to Bloomberg.
It follows clashes between the EU and the drugmaker over whether countries in the union would get their first share of doses, and Germany's decision not to give the vaccine to anyone over 65.
Media reports about strong side effects of the vaccine also appear to have made people hesitant to take up the vaccine.
But AstraZeneca has said it has not seen reports of unexpected reactions and German health authorities have said the same.
The slow take-up has prompted health minister Jens Spahn to say the vaccine is "safe and effective" and he wouldn't hesitate to get it himself.
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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago
The South |
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Oxford vaccine doses going unused in Germany as health minister tells public it is 'safe and effective'
Fewer than one-tenth of the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine doses delivered to Germany have been administered in the first few days of the roll-out as people have been hesitant to have the jab, according to Bloomberg.
It follows clashes between the EU and the drugmaker over whether countries in the union would get their first share of doses, and Germany's decision not to give the vaccine to anyone over 65.
Media reports about strong side effects of the vaccine also appear to have made people hesitant to take up the vaccine.
But AstraZeneca has said it has not seen reports of unexpected reactions and German health authorities have said the same.
The slow take-up has prompted health minister Jens Spahn to say the vaccine is "safe and effective" and he wouldn't hesitate to get it himself.
So, why doesn't he, get it...?"
Maybe, just maybe, he's waiting his turn and not pulling rank.
Too hard to comprehend perhaps?
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By *andy 1Couple
over a year ago
northeast |
"Presumably people are aware that we have issues in our own country with people not taking the vaccine?
God forbid it's not another anti eu thread.
It may come as news to you lionel but not everything is about Brexit."
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"Presumably people are aware that we have issues in our own country with people not taking the vaccine?
God forbid it's not another anti eu thread.
It may come as news to you lionel but not everything is about Brexit. "
What intrigues me is people put blind trust in the food they buy, the clothes they wear, the lip filler injected or even their breast implants, but when a life saving vaccine comes along so many are suddenly medical research experts casting their opinions and voice like they are an established authority |
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By *andy 1Couple
over a year ago
northeast |
"Irish front line workers are unhappy they are being offered Astra, as it protection is only 60-70% compared to 95% for Pfizer & Moderna.
Certainly if I was front line I would be expecting the best protection available
Do the same healthcare workers accept the annual flu jab? Many of those can be less than 70% efficacious. In 2019, it was only about 40-50%...
Do people get a choice of flu jab supplier?
Not in the UK/NHS, no. Unknown in ROI.
So is it not a question... Do you want 60% protection or no protection? I'm not seeing the issue.
My point being we (the general public) have never really known much/anything about the efficacy rate of various vaccines, yet I doubt many people have been concerned about that when taking a vaccine (or not). The data has always been there in scientific papers but they haven't routinely been publicised in the mass media.
Does it not seem to be a thing of what someone wants compared to what they can have? I want a 10 inch cock but I'll just have to make do with this 12 incher"
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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago
The South |
"Irish front line workers are unhappy they are being offered Astra, as it protection is only 60-70% compared to 95% for Pfizer & Moderna.
Certainly if I was front line I would be expecting the best protection available
Do the same healthcare workers accept the annual flu jab? Many of those can be less than 70% efficacious. In 2019, it was only about 40-50%...
Do people get a choice of flu jab supplier?
Not in the UK/NHS, no. Unknown in ROI.
So is it not a question... Do you want 60% protection or no protection? I'm not seeing the issue.
My point being we (the general public) have never really known much/anything about the efficacy rate of various vaccines, yet I doubt many people have been concerned about that when taking a vaccine (or not). The data has always been there in scientific papers but they haven't routinely been publicised in the mass media.
Does it not seem to be a thing of what someone wants compared to what they can have? I want a 10 inch cock but I'll just have to make do with this 12 incher"
12 incher?
To paraphrase Tom Cruise "show me the inches, show me the inches!!!!"
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"Irish front line workers are unhappy they are being offered Astra, as it protection is only 60-70% compared to 95% for Pfizer & Moderna.
Certainly if I was front line I would be expecting the best protection available
Do the same healthcare workers accept the annual flu jab? Many of those can be less than 70% efficacious. In 2019, it was only about 40-50%...
Do people get a choice of flu jab supplier?
Not in the UK/NHS, no. Unknown in ROI.
So is it not a question... Do you want 60% protection or no protection? I'm not seeing the issue.
My point being we (the general public) have never really known much/anything about the efficacy rate of various vaccines, yet I doubt many people have been concerned about that when taking a vaccine (or not). The data has always been there in scientific papers but they haven't routinely been publicised in the mass media.
Does it not seem to be a thing of what someone wants compared to what they can have? I want a 10 inch cock but I'll just have to make do with this 12 incher
12 incher?
To paraphrase Tom Cruise "show me the inches, show me the inches!!!!"
E"
Tom cruise is short but taller than 12 inches surely |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Irish front line workers are unhappy they are being offered Astra, as it protection is only 60-70% compared to 95% for Pfizer & Moderna.
Certainly if I was front line I would be expecting the best protection available
Do the same healthcare workers accept the annual flu jab? Many of those can be less than 70% efficacious. In 2019, it was only about 40-50%...
Do people get a choice of flu jab supplier?
Not in the UK/NHS, no. Unknown in ROI.
So is it not a question... Do you want 60% protection or no protection? I'm not seeing the issue.
My point being we (the general public) have never really known much/anything about the efficacy rate of various vaccines, yet I doubt many people have been concerned about that when taking a vaccine (or not). The data has always been there in scientific papers but they haven't routinely been publicised in the mass media.
Does it not seem to be a thing of what someone wants compared to what they can have? I want a 10 inch cock but I'll just have to make do with this 12 incher
12 incher?
To paraphrase Tom Cruise "show me the inches, show me the inches!!!!"
E
Tom cruise is short but taller than 12 inches surely"
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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago
The South |
"Irish front line workers are unhappy they are being offered Astra, as it protection is only 60-70% compared to 95% for Pfizer & Moderna.
Certainly if I was front line I would be expecting the best protection available
Do the same healthcare workers accept the annual flu jab? Many of those can be less than 70% efficacious. In 2019, it was only about 40-50%...
Do people get a choice of flu jab supplier?
Not in the UK/NHS, no. Unknown in ROI.
So is it not a question... Do you want 60% protection or no protection? I'm not seeing the issue.
My point being we (the general public) have never really known much/anything about the efficacy rate of various vaccines, yet I doubt many people have been concerned about that when taking a vaccine (or not). The data has always been there in scientific papers but they haven't routinely been publicised in the mass media.
Does it not seem to be a thing of what someone wants compared to what they can have? I want a 10 inch cock but I'll just have to make do with this 12 incher
12 incher?
To paraphrase Tom Cruise "show me the inches, show me the inches!!!!"
E
Tom cruise is short but taller than 12 inches surely"
Stop calling me Surely..... 
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"Irish front line workers are unhappy they are being offered Astra, as it protection is only 60-70% compared to 95% for Pfizer & Moderna.
Certainly if I was front line I would be expecting the best protection available
Do the same healthcare workers accept the annual flu jab? Many of those can be less than 70% efficacious. In 2019, it was only about 40-50%...
Do people get a choice of flu jab supplier?
Not in the UK/NHS, no. Unknown in ROI.
So is it not a question... Do you want 60% protection or no protection? I'm not seeing the issue.
My point being we (the general public) have never really known much/anything about the efficacy rate of various vaccines, yet I doubt many people have been concerned about that when taking a vaccine (or not). The data has always been there in scientific papers but they haven't routinely been publicised in the mass media.
Does it not seem to be a thing of what someone wants compared to what they can have? I want a 10 inch cock but I'll just have to make do with this 12 incher
12 incher?
To paraphrase Tom Cruise "show me the inches, show me the inches!!!!"
E
Tom cruise is short but taller than 12 inches surely
Stop calling me Surely.....
E"
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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago
The South |
"Irish front line workers are unhappy they are being offered Astra, as it protection is only 60-70% compared to 95% for Pfizer & Moderna.
Certainly if I was front line I would be expecting the best protection available
Do the same healthcare workers accept the annual flu jab? Many of those can be less than 70% efficacious. In 2019, it was only about 40-50%...
Do people get a choice of flu jab supplier?
Not in the UK/NHS, no. Unknown in ROI.
So is it not a question... Do you want 60% protection or no protection? I'm not seeing the issue.
My point being we (the general public) have never really known much/anything about the efficacy rate of various vaccines, yet I doubt many people have been concerned about that when taking a vaccine (or not). The data has always been there in scientific papers but they haven't routinely been publicised in the mass media.
Does it not seem to be a thing of what someone wants compared to what they can have? I want a 10 inch cock but I'll just have to make do with this 12 incher
12 incher?
To paraphrase Tom Cruise "show me the inches, show me the inches!!!!"
E
Tom cruise is short but taller than 12 inches surely
Stop calling me Surely.....
E
Ever seen a grown man naked? "
Do you like films about gladiators?
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"I'm confused why their media would report on bad side effects when it's not the case.
That makes no sense. "
It was used in hospitals, fire and ambulance services. Between 25% and just under 50% called in sick afterwards due to side effects.... which unsurprisingly caused some rota issues. Hence employers are reorganising vaccination schedules... happens with Biontech too ...just fewer numbers... |
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
Bristol |
"I'm confused why their media would report on bad side effects when it's not the case.
That makes no sense.
It was used in hospitals, fire and ambulance services. Between 25% and just under 50% called in sick afterwards due to side effects.... which unsurprisingly caused some rota issues. Hence employers are reorganising vaccination schedules... happens with Biontech too ...just fewer numbers..."
The same thing happens with the flu vaccine some people sale right through and some have mild to severe short term side effects.
I had a flu vaccine some weeks ago the same time as a colleague I had no side effects and she had medium ones.
Last weekend I had the COVID jab and was uncomfortable for a couple of days and feeling under the weather but that was it.
Some get hit a bit harder but again short term  |
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