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The numbers are coming down... but why?

By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

On the Press conferences they have started showing graphs only from October last year. They say the vaccinations are bringing the infection and death rates down massively.

But is this true? Have any of our Fab Virus Experts* checked the data from last March to now?

The infection and death rates reduce during lockdowns anyway.....

* I mean this in an endearing way, not the sarcastic way it's usually used.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Lol. On Indy Sage today they had graphs noting infection rates this week, last week, and September, by area. There are one or two about at September level, but most are way above it.

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By *ools and the brainCouple over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

I think it's more important to be looking at the number of cases requiring hospital admission that's just as if not more important.

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By *ellhungvweMan over a year ago

Cheltenham

You can always check the source data yourself rather than relying on the TV: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

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By *ornyJ3000Man over a year ago

Leicestershire

40% of adults in the uk have had their first Covid jab now, 1 million have had both, so it should be coming down!

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By *hagTonightMan over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

I havent checked it, but couldnt also one of the reasons why it goes down, is cos flu activity peaks between december and february, but activity can last as late as may.

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By *j48Man over a year ago

Wigan

"I think it's more important to be looking at the number of cases requiring hospital admission that's just as if not more important.

Interesting - so "cases" bandied about on every news update since December are cases of people requiring hosptal admission? I doubt that very much.. It's positive cases, identifed by a test that, at best, returns an accuracy rate of 53%

Time to take hold of this for ourselves.. Back to normal... Now.

Enough is enough

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By *oixosMan over a year ago

London

"I think it's more important to be looking at the number of cases requiring hospital admission that's just as if not more important.

Time to take hold of this for ourselves.. Back to normal... Now.

Enough is enough"

Exactly you still got people out here trying to quote the PCR test like its not already been deemed as unsuitable to be used as a diagnosis tool, even in the Lancet (considering that it gets loads of money thrown at by big pharma) have published something about pcr testing, it doesn’t fit the gold standard

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By *losernow69Man over a year ago

Melksham

Its dropping because winter is coming to an end.

Just like when flu cases used to be recorded, they dropped away at the end of winter.

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By *oixosMan over a year ago

London

"Its dropping because winter is coming to an end.

Just like when flu cases used to be recorded, they dropped away at the end of winter.

And probably due to reducing the cycles on the PCR tests (even though they shouldn’t even be used for that )

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"40% of adults in the uk have had their first Covid jab now, 1 million have had both, so it should be coming down! "

Definitely. Lockdown plus vaccination will be playing a role. Let's hope the strategies are working and we begin to see light at the end of the tunnel as we gradually and safely move forward.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"40% of adults in the uk have had their first Covid jab now, 1 million have had both, so it should be coming down! "

Is it coming down because we are in lockdown?

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By *ssexSwitchMan over a year ago

hornchurch

"40% of adults in the uk have had their first Covid jab now, 1 million have had both, so it should be coming down!

Is it coming down because we are in lockdown?"

Statistically speaking lockdowns have been shown to have no discernible impact on the rate of transmission. We have plenty of data from other counties and us states that did lockdown vs those that didn’t.

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By *lik and PaulCouple over a year ago

Flagrante

"40% of adults in the uk have had their first Covid jab now, 1 million have had both, so it should be coming down! "

Getting mine today

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"40% of adults in the uk have had their first Covid jab now, 1 million have had both, so it should be coming down!

Is it coming down because we are in lockdown?

Which statistics? Do you really think lock down would be put in place of it didn't slow transmission? There is loads of data to show lock downs work...

If you compare groups that have had the vaccine and those that didn't (but both gollevthe same lock down rules) there is a bigger reduction on cases etc on those that have had the vaccine. Showing it's working.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"40% of adults in the uk have had their first Covid jab now, 1 million have had both, so it should be coming down!

Is it coming down because we are in lockdown?

Which statistics? Do you really think lock down would be put in place of it didn't slow transmission? There is loads of data to show lock downs work...

This is the information that I'm looking for. Thank you.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This is the information that I'm looking for. Thank you.

You probably wanted less typos though haha

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By *reyyaMan over a year ago

North Yorkshire

Maybe some deaths that would have been recorded as from Covid-19 are being reported as deaths from flu. Thus flu deaths show an increase and Covid-19 deaths decrease.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Maybe some deaths that would have been recorded as from Covid-19 are being reported as deaths from flu. Thus flu deaths show an increase and Covid-19 deaths decrease. "

Nope. From a quick Google search, there doesn't appear to have been ANY flu deaths this winter. This is an incredible statistic.

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By *ichaelangelaCouple over a year ago

notts

"40% of adults in the uk have had their first Covid jab now, 1 million have had both, so it should be coming down!

Is it coming down because we are in lockdown?

Well I know it was back in 1665 when the local village rector of Eyam put the village in lockdown, but it worked, look it up for yourself on wikipedia

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By * and M lookingCouple over a year ago

Worcester

"Maybe some deaths that would have been recorded as from Covid-19 are being reported as deaths from flu. Thus flu deaths show an increase and Covid-19 deaths decrease.

Nope. From a quick Google search, there doesn't appear to have been ANY flu deaths this winter. This is an incredible statistic."

Yes NHS England have reported not having a single flu admission this winter.

Maybe this face mask and keeping away from the grandchildren thing actually works.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"40% of adults in the uk have had their first Covid jab now, 1 million have had both, so it should be coming down!

Definitely. Lockdown plus vaccination will be playing a role. Let's hope the strategies are working and we begin to see light at the end of the tunnel as we gradually and safely move forward."

And we're starting to emerge from winter. We saw a big dip in numbers last summer only to go up again as we went into autumn/ winter. We can expect to see numbers rise again at the end of this year but hopefully not on the scale we've seen.

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By *andR510Couple over a year ago

St Neots/Wisbech

Seasonality and harvesting have been the two most overlooked topics throughout this pandemic.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Maybe some deaths that would have been recorded as from Covid-19 are being reported as deaths from flu. Thus flu deaths show an increase and Covid-19 deaths decrease.

Nope. From a quick Google search, there doesn't appear to have been ANY flu deaths this winter. This is an incredible statistic.

Yes NHS England have reported not having a single flu admission this winter.

Maybe this face mask and keeping away from the grandchildren thing actually works.

Also hand sanitizer everywhere!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Seasonality and harvesting have been the two most overlooked topics throughout this pandemic.

Harvesting what?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"40% of adults in the uk have had their first Covid jab now, 1 million have had both, so it should be coming down!

Is it coming down because we are in lockdown?

That's possibly why. National lockdowns have the greatest effect because of travel patterns and differences between areas in how strict they are. New Zealand was a great example. And the national approach in the UK has had a major effect.

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By *reyyaMan over a year ago

North Yorkshire

"40% of adults in the uk have had their first Covid jab now, 1 million have had both, so it should be coming down!

Is it coming down because we are in lockdown?

Are you saying that the approach taken by New Zealand towards Covid-19 has helped bring down UK numbers?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"40% of adults in the uk have had their first Covid jab now, 1 million have had both, so it should be coming down!

Is it coming down because we are in lockdown?

Well I know it was back in 1665 when the local village rector of Eyam put the village in lockdown, but it worked, look it up for yourself on wikipedia"

I'm not disputing what you're saying, the information about it in the great plague program was very interesting.... But I would question the value of using Wikipedia as a source example

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And probably due to reducing the cycles on the PCR tests (even though they shouldn’t even be used for that ) "

Absolutely guarantee that you don't know what "reducing the cycles" means

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

And probably due to reducing the cycles on the PCR tests (even though they shouldn’t even be used for that )

Absolutely guarantee that you don't know what "reducing the cycles" means

Yeah, the virologists are slamming that bullshit argument.

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By *oixosMan over a year ago

London

And probably due to reducing the cycles on the PCR tests (even though they shouldn’t even be used for that )

Absolutely guarantee that you don't know what "reducing the cycles" means

That’s beside the point they shouldn’t have even been used from the start

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS over a year ago

Stockport

And probably due to reducing the cycles on the PCR tests (even though they shouldn’t even be used for that )

Absolutely guarantee that you don't know what "reducing the cycles" means

Er... Racing bike, mountain bike, touring bike, granny bike. BMX, chopper. Raleigh, Dawes, Sunbeam...

Though TBH I'm not exactly sure how using less bicycles makes the test better. Is it that the samples get to the lab faster if they go by car instead?

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By *oixosMan over a year ago

London

And probably due to reducing the cycles on the PCR tests (even though they shouldn’t even be used for that )

Absolutely guarantee that you don't know what "reducing the cycles" means

Yeah, the virologists are slamming that bullshit argument."

Lol Virologists can slam “that bullshit argument” There shouldn’t even be an “argument” they never should have been used in the 1st place

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Lol Virologists can slam “that bullshit argument” There shouldn’t even be an “argument” they never should have been used in the 1st place "

Are you suggesting there is no virus to detect via RT PCR? I'm assuming you're not a molecular biologist.

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

"40% of adults in the uk have had their first Covid jab now, 1 million have had both, so it should be coming down!

Is it coming down because we are in lockdown?

Yeah sorry mate.. Calling bullshit on that. If you can site some of your statistics from any meaningful source I will gladly be proved wrong.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Lol Virologists can slam “that bullshit argument” There shouldn’t even be an “argument” they never should have been used in the 1st place

Are you suggesting there is no virus to detect via RT PCR? I'm assuming you're not a molecular biologist. "

The argument is being made.

Germ theory denialists are having fun during all of this, sweet baby Jesus

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"40% of adults in the uk have had their first Covid jab now, 1 million have had both, so it should be coming down!

Is it coming down because we are in lockdown?

Yeah sorry mate.. Calling bullshit on that. If you can site some of your statistics from any meaningful source I will gladly be proved wrong. "

Calling "do your research sheeple" now

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

"On the Press conferences they have started showing graphs only from October last year. They say the vaccinations are bringing the infection and death rates down massively.

But is this true? Have any of our Fab Virus Experts* checked the data from last March to now?

The infection and death rates reduce during lockdowns anyway.....

* I mean this in an endearing way, not the sarcastic way it's usually used.

I'm the first to stick up for the "authorities" but feel there is something fishy or disingenuous going on. Our infection rates, death rates and hospitalisation rates are still ludicrously high.

We have been in a form of lock down for months which has reduced spread as it would do. With over 21m of our oldest and most vulnerable people vaccinated and with 4m people having tested positive, I feel there is something askew with so many requiring hospital and so many still dying within 28 days of a positive test.

I'm not an Enough is enough and all that stuff tub thumper but think there is more to the high infection rates than we are hearing.

Just as an example... We are still getting more than double the infections every single day as new Zealand have had in total for the last 12 months.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"On the Press conferences they have started showing graphs only from October last year. They say the vaccinations are bringing the infection and death rates down massively.

But is this true? Have any of our Fab Virus Experts* checked the data from last March to now?

The infection and death rates reduce during lockdowns anyway.....

* I mean this in an endearing way, not the sarcastic way it's usually used.

I'm the first to stick up for the "authorities" but feel there is something fishy or disingenuous going on. Our infection rates, death rates and hospitalisation rates are still ludicrously high.

I'm not an Enough is enough and all that stuff tub thumper but think there is more to the high infection rates than we are hearing.

Just as an example... We are still getting more than double the infections every single day as new Zealand have had in total for the last 12 months. "

I agree. Something doesn't feel right.

Perhaps it will change towards the end of March. Over 21 million vaccinated as of yesterday. 3 weeks for vaccine to kick in.

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

"On the Press conferences they have started showing graphs only from October last year. They say the vaccinations are bringing the infection and death rates down massively.

But is this true? Have any of our Fab Virus Experts* checked the data from last March to now?

The infection and death rates reduce during lockdowns anyway.....

* I mean this in an endearing way, not the sarcastic way it's usually used.

I'm the first to stick up for the "authorities" but feel there is something fishy or disingenuous going on. Our infection rates, death rates and hospitalisation rates are still ludicrously high.

I'm not an Enough is enough and all that stuff tub thumper but think there is more to the high infection rates than we are hearing.

Just as an example... We are still getting more than double the infections every single day as new Zealand have had in total for the last 12 months.

I agree. Something doesn't feel right.

Perhaps it will change towards the end of March. Over 21 million vaccinated as of yesterday. 3 weeks for vaccine to kick in. "

Not convinced... Let's pick a random date... Say... 6 weeks ago... And let's say as we have been told over 90 % of deaths are in over 80s...and let's say 6 weeks ago we had vaccinated the majority of over 80s so will have had time to be effective....given the interrogative nature of our press and public i'm somewhat surprised there hasn't been more about it.

Yes our rates are lower than they were... But they are still way way too high.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

No need to post any of that, for someone thats trying to come across like he knows what he’s talking about, you’re completely missing the point, you haven’t really been paying attention, have you now sweetheart ?

You'd never heard of PCR before an algorithm popped some conspiracy nonsense into your various social media threads. You've been had, sunshine.

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By *eenoseMan over a year ago

Wigan

Anyone can post stats, since when have govts ever been straight with us

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"On the Press conferences they have started showing graphs only from October last year. They say the vaccinations are bringing the infection and death rates down massively.

But is this true? Have any of our Fab Virus Experts* checked the data from last March to now?

The infection and death rates reduce during lockdowns anyway.....

* I mean this in an endearing way, not the sarcastic way it's usually used.

I'm the first to stick up for the "authorities" but feel there is something fishy or disingenuous going on. Our infection rates, death rates and hospitalisation rates are still ludicrously high.

I'm not an Enough is enough and all that stuff tub thumper but think there is more to the high infection rates than we are hearing.

Just as an example... We are still getting more than double the infections every single day as new Zealand have had in total for the last 12 months.

I agree. Something doesn't feel right.

Perhaps it will change towards the end of March. Over 21 million vaccinated as of yesterday. 3 weeks for vaccine to kick in.

Yes our rates are lower than they were... But they are still way way too high. "

I wonder about the Imperial REACT study. We shall see.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"On the Press conferences they have started showing graphs only from October last year. They say the vaccinations are bringing the infection and death rates down massively.

But is this true? Have any of our Fab Virus Experts* checked the data from last March to now?

The infection and death rates reduce during lockdowns anyway.....

* I mean this in an endearing way, not the sarcastic way it's usually used.

I'm the first to stick up for the "authorities" but feel there is something fishy or disingenuous going on. Our infection rates, death rates and hospitalisation rates are still ludicrously high.

I'm not an Enough is enough and all that stuff tub thumper but think there is more to the high infection rates than we are hearing.

Just as an example... We are still getting more than double the infections every single day as new Zealand have had in total for the last 12 months.

I agree. Something doesn't feel right.

Perhaps it will change towards the end of March. Over 21 million vaccinated as of yesterday. 3 weeks for vaccine to kick in.

Yes our rates are lower than they were... But they are still way way too high. "

They had graphs at a press conference the other week that showed X was reducing in the over 80's faster than age groups not yet vaccinated. I can't remember if X was infections or hospitalisations though.

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By *allySlinkyWoman over a year ago

Leeds

I wonder about the Imperial REACT study. "

Why isn't a new report metric ?

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I wonder about the Imperial REACT study.

Why isn't a new report metric ? "

Lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I’ll just leave you experts to it "

Cheers mate, appreciate it. Personal incredulity isn't a great position to argue from. That and Dunning-Kruger effect have totally done you.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And you’re still missing the point here, shall I repeat it again for you, It should have never been used in the 1st place, without that bogus “test” you never would have had the high number of “cases” due to the high false positive rare to justify the lockdowns and you claim to be intelligent? Just make sure you get vaccine moosh and “do your bit” "

You're missing the point that the method is entirely valid. Unequivocally.

Do you know how we monitor viral loads in HIV patients? RT-PCR.

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By *oixosMan over a year ago

London

You're missing the point that the method is entirely valid. Unequivocally.

Do you know how we monitor viral loads in HIV patients? RT-PCR.

Ok mate, I know this, my ex works in an hiv clinic, doing secondary prevention but that’s still not the point here, it’s all well and good if used correctly but with Covid that hasn’t been the case, has it ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Do you know how we monitor viral loads in HIV patients? RT-PCR.

What a way to undermine your argument.

Last time but very slowly - reverse transcription polymerase chain reaction is a valid technique to detect viruses. This includes SARS-CoV2.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Do you know how we monitor viral loads in HIV patients? RT-PCR.

What a way to undermine your argument.

Last time but very slowly - reverse transcription polymerase chain reaction is a valid technique to detect viruses. This includes SARS-CoV2."

Ah, but you see, the inventor of PCR tests said something which has been taken wildly out of context, therefore take that sheeple.

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By *ad NannaWoman over a year ago

East London

I thought it meant the death rate of people being admitted to ICU/ITU was coming down.

I'm a div at times.

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By *arakiss12TV/TS over a year ago

Bedford

The logical answer is the virus is running out of hosts, if you brought back the poor people who died things would be alot worse or better depending on how well they isolated. But numbers would definitely be higher and there would be more people to vaccinate.

The virus is relying on mutation to survive apparently the number of variants is quite high compared to this time last year as you would expect.

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By *reyyaMan over a year ago

North Yorkshire

"Maybe some deaths that would have been recorded as from Covid-19 are being reported as deaths from flu. Thus flu deaths show an increase and Covid-19 deaths decrease. "

So it makes it look like the vaccine is reducing the number of deaths from Covid-19.

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By *iercedyvonneTV/TS over a year ago

Glasgow

"Seasonality and harvesting have been the two most overlooked topics throughout this pandemic.

Harvesting what?"

People.

Harvesting is a medical term.

Fact is that the vast majority who have died were going to die soon anyway. 1 year on average of life lost.

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By *losernow69Man over a year ago

Melksham

"Maybe some deaths that would have been recorded as from Covid-19 are being reported as deaths from flu. Thus flu deaths show an increase and Covid-19 deaths decrease. "

Where are you getting this information?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

"Seasonality and harvesting have been the two most overlooked topics throughout this pandemic.

Harvesting what?

People.

Harvesting is a medical term.

Fact is that the vast majority who have died were going to die soon anyway. 1 year on average of life lost."

There's never a precise date given for death by natural causes etc, so the average 1 year of life lost may be far from the truth and helps to ignore that some people have lost decades from their lives. Each of these people are individuals and loved - every day of their lives was precious. Worse, that so many lost their lives alone, without contact, words or compassion with loved ones.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

You're missing the point that the method is entirely valid. Unequivocally.

Do you know how we monitor viral loads in HIV patients? RT-PCR.

The PCR testing has been held up as the gold standard, with Sars-Cov-2 testing. Occasionally people post something about it being misused but the research evidence seems to strongly support its use. I've intercepted your message exchange with someone else, so may have missed something within the dialogue.

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

"Seasonality and harvesting have been the two most overlooked topics throughout this pandemic.

Harvesting what?

People.

Harvesting is a medical term.

Fact is that the vast majority who have died were going to die soon anyway. 1 year on average of life lost."

It's not just the timing of the death... Its the nature of it. I'd have rather my mum hadn't been tortured, being unable to gasp for breath, body wracked every minute of the day and night for 3 weeks with fear and pain. But still she was old so fuck her right?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"40% of adults in the uk have had their first Covid jab now, 1 million have had both, so it should be coming down!

Is it coming down because we are in lockdown?

Is it ok to call BS on that. Each time we (or anyone else) locked down...cases fell. If you don't go out much. If many shops and schools are closed then transmission goes down.

Schools have just reopened fully...cases will host up again...or at least the current fall in numbers will stall.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So last week a report came out in Spain and it said 100% the vaccines were bring down infection rates. This was based on infections in care homes.

The report said it took infection rates by 97%

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"40% of adults in the uk have had their first Covid jab now, 1 million have had both, so it should be coming down!

Is it coming down because we are in lockdown?

Is it ok to call BS on that. Each time we (or anyone else) locked down...cases fell. If you don't go out much. If many shops and schools are closed then transmission goes down.

Schools have just reopened fully...cases will host up again...or at least the current fall in numbers will stall. "

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By *eeleyWoman over a year ago

Dudley

Lockdowns work, the vaccine is working. That's pretty much the long and short of it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Lockdowns work, the vaccine is working. That's pretty much the long and short of it. "

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By *mmabluTV/TS over a year ago

upton wirral

"On the Press conferences they have started showing graphs only from October last year. They say the vaccinations are bringing the infection and death rates down massively.

But is this true? Have any of our Fab Virus Experts* checked the data from last March to now?

The infection and death rates reduce during lockdowns anyway.....

* I mean this in an endearing way, not the sarcastic way it's usually used.

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Why do some allways want to disagree with the facts?I am sure it is a mixture of many reasons but working that is what matters.

I think the biggest thing that could wreck things is people going abroad for holidays and people from other countries coming hear.For me keep borders closed for another 12 months yes not economic sense in the short run but long term a great idea I think

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By *losernow69Man over a year ago

Melksham

"On the Press conferences they have started showing graphs only from October last year. They say the vaccinations are bringing the infection and death rates down massively.

But is this true? Have any of our Fab Virus Experts* checked the data from last March to now?

The infection and death rates reduce during lockdowns anyway.....

* I mean this in an endearing way, not the sarcastic way it's usually used.

Why do some allways want to disagree with the facts?I am sure it is a mixture of many reasons but working that is what matters.

Not sure what facts you are talking about or your source for these facts.

If its the BBC, they stopped making factual programs years ago. Now they produce opinion/narrative based propaganda for the masses.

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By *eardsandboobsCouple over a year ago

market rasen

"Its dropping because winter is coming to an end.

Just like when flu cases used to be recorded, they dropped away at the end of winter.

So why did they go up from last March ? And why are European countries (warmer) now seeing a new spike ?

The old flu argument should be long buried by now.

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By *losernow69Man over a year ago

Melksham

"Its dropping because winter is coming to an end.

Just like when flu cases used to be recorded, they dropped away at the end of winter.

So why did they go up from last March ? And why are European countries (warmer) now seeing a new spike ?

The old flu argument should be long buried by now. "

The WHO (not the band), show on their graph that there have been no flu cases worldwide since last June.

That is not just putting it to bed, that's dropping it down an old mine shaft and sealing it over.

No flu anymore, fucking marvelous, one less thing to worry about next winter.

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By *eardsandboobsCouple over a year ago

market rasen

"Its dropping because winter is coming to an end.

Just like when flu cases used to be recorded, they dropped away at the end of winter.

So why did they go up from last March ? And why are European countries (warmer) now seeing a new spike ?

The old flu argument should be long buried by now.

The WHO (not the band), show on their graph that there have been no flu cases worldwide since last June.

That is not just putting it to bed, that's dropping it down an old mine shaft and sealing it over.

No flu anymore, fucking marvelous, one less thing to worry about next winter."

Nearly 17,000 people died in England from the flu or pneumonia in 2020, 2500 died in the first 7 weeks of this year from flu or pneumonia. All on the ONS page which can’t be linked . So it hasn’t gone away. It’s just less prevalent.

Reality is that most of the people that die from flu each year are again in care homes. The people that were at risk to die from flu this year or last year have more than likely already succumbed to covid. We will never know.

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By *losernow69Man over a year ago

Melksham

"Its dropping because winter is coming to an end.

Just like when flu cases used to be recorded, they dropped away at the end of winter.

So why did they go up from last March ? And why are European countries (warmer) now seeing a new spike ?

The old flu argument should be long buried by now.

The WHO (not the band), show on their graph that there have been no flu cases worldwide since last June.

That is not just putting it to bed, that's dropping it down an old mine shaft and sealing it over.

No flu anymore, fucking marvelous, one less thing to worry about next winter.

We will never know as they don't want us to know.

ONS is a great resource.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Its dropping because winter is coming to an end.

Just like when flu cases used to be recorded, they dropped away at the end of winter.

So why did they go up from last March ? And why are European countries (warmer) now seeing a new spike ?

The old flu argument should be long buried by now.

The WHO (not the band), show on their graph that there have been no flu cases worldwide since last June.

That is not just putting it to bed, that's dropping it down an old mine shaft and sealing it over.

No flu anymore, fucking marvelous, one less thing to worry about next winter.

Funny how the data doesn't support the nonsense.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"On the Press conferences they have started showing graphs only from October last year. They say the vaccinations are bringing the infection and death rates down massively.

But is this true? Have any of our Fab Virus Experts* checked the data from last March to now?

The infection and death rates reduce during lockdowns anyway.....

* I mean this in an endearing way, not the sarcastic way it's usually used.

Why do some allways want to disagree with the facts?I am sure it is a mixture of many reasons but working that is what matters.

Who is disagreeing?

I'm asking for facts.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

"Its dropping because winter is coming to an end.

Just like when flu cases used to be recorded, they dropped away at the end of winter.

So why did they go up from last March ? And why are European countries (warmer) now seeing a new spike ?

The old flu argument should be long buried by now.

The WHO (not the band), show on their graph that there have been no flu cases worldwide since last June.

That is not just putting it to bed, that's dropping it down an old mine shaft and sealing it over.

No flu anymore, fucking marvelous, one less thing to worry about next winter.

We will never know as they don't want us to know.

ONS is a great resource."

We will never see the evidence for nonsense, though there's credible evidence for the reality that we have. Perhaps you could start putting your attention on the wealth of evidence that is helpful?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

"Its dropping because winter is coming to an end.

Just like when flu cases used to be recorded, they dropped away at the end of winter.

So why did they go up from last March ? And why are European countries (warmer) now seeing a new spike ?

The old flu argument should be long buried by now.

The WHO (not the band), show on their graph that there have been no flu cases worldwide since last June.

That is not just putting it to bed, that's dropping it down an old mine shaft and sealing it over.

No flu anymore, fucking marvelous, one less thing to worry about next winter."

That's more nonsense. Flu still exists, it's just that our measures that work against Sars-Cov-2 transmission also work against flu, so they've driven the numbers down. No fantasy magic or hidden agendas etc. Spreading good will, not alarm or viruses, is a worthy pursuit

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

"Its dropping because winter is coming to an end.

Just like when flu cases used to be recorded, they dropped away at the end of winter.

So why did they go up from last March ? And why are European countries (warmer) now seeing a new spike ?

The old flu argument should be long buried by now.

The WHO (not the band), show on their graph that there have been no flu cases worldwide since last June.

That is not just putting it to bed, that's dropping it down an old mine shaft and sealing it over.

No flu anymore, fucking marvelous, one less thing to worry about next winter.

Funny how the data doesn't support the nonsense."

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By *uma69Man over a year ago

stockport

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By *an hjCouple over a year ago

Stowmarket

I don't know if each individual precaution is having much affect, but combined, they seem to be, the numbers are coming down, whatever the reason, and to me that is good news.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Easter eggs came out in the shops after Christmas and the infection rates have been dropping since that time.

Statistics show it's Easter eggs.

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

"Easter eggs came out in the shops after Christmas and the infection rates have been dropping since that time.

Statistics show it's Easter eggs.

The hidden link has been found.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Thankfully the many memes of the debunked comments that flooded Facebook etc, that tried to detract from the accepted evidence supporting PCR testing for the SARS-Cov-2 genetic material are now discredited.

As the Public Health England, NHS and all reputable scientific journals attest, PCR testing is amongst the best testing that we have, outside of live virus culture. "

Agreed

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By *mmabluTV/TS over a year ago

upton wirral

"On the Press conferences they have started showing graphs only from October last year. They say the vaccinations are bringing the infection and death rates down massively.

But is this true? Have any of our Fab Virus Experts* checked the data from last March to now?

The infection and death rates reduce during lockdowns anyway.....

* I mean this in an endearing way, not the sarcastic way it's usually used.

Why do some allways want to disagree with the facts?I am sure it is a mixture of many reasons but working that is what matters.

Not sure what facts you are talking about or your source for these facts.

If its the BBC, they stopped making factual programs years ago. Now they produce opinion/narrative based propaganda for the masses. "
Well it is at the end of the day opinion and interpratation of the facts.I give my assessments not some other persons.

As for the BBC it has many factual programmes if you disagree fine but they are mostly on the ball

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By *mmabluTV/TS over a year ago

upton wirral

"Easter eggs came out in the shops after Christmas and the infection rates have been dropping since that time.

Statistics show it's Easter eggs.

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By *andL2014Couple over a year ago

Kettering

I stopped reading this thread when I got to someone saying "Statistically speaking lockdowns have been shown to have no discernible impact on the rate of transmission."

Are people really that stupid?? Seriously? I genuinely despair of the human race at times

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"On the Press conferences they have started showing graphs only from October last year. They say the vaccinations are bringing the infection and death rates down massively.

But is this true? Have any of our Fab Virus Experts* checked the data from last March to now?

The infection and death rates reduce during lockdowns anyway.....

* I mean this in an endearing way, not the sarcastic way it's usually used.

I'm the first to stick up for the "authorities" but feel there is something fishy or disingenuous going on. Our infection rates, death rates and hospitalisation rates are still ludicrously high.

I'm not an Enough is enough and all that stuff tub thumper but think there is more to the high infection rates than we are hearing.

Just as an example... We are still getting more than double the infections every single day as new Zealand have had in total for the last 12 months. "

Came on here to say pretty much this. 100-200 deaths a day plus 4-6K infections. The vaccine was meant to protect against serious illness and death. I'd like to know how many people have caught covid and subsequently died after being vaccinated. Sorry if that sounds heartless but I feel someone somewhere isn't being honest here.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

"On the Press conferences they have started showing graphs only from October last year. They say the vaccinations are bringing the infection and death rates down massively.

But is this true? Have any of our Fab Virus Experts* checked the data from last March to now?

The infection and death rates reduce during lockdowns anyway.....

* I mean this in an endearing way, not the sarcastic way it's usually used.

I'm the first to stick up for the "authorities" but feel there is something fishy or disingenuous going on. Our infection rates, death rates and hospitalisation rates are still ludicrously high.

I'm not an Enough is enough and all that stuff tub thumper but think there is more to the high infection rates than we are hearing.

Just as an example... We are still getting more than double the infections every single day as new Zealand have had in total for the last 12 months.

Have you seen false data published?

Were you tracking the numbers of people vaccinated, the dates of vaccinations and the delayed likely development of immunity dates, with the daily infection and death dates?

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By *ovebjsMan over a year ago

Bristol

Everyone does everything right but it only takes one fox in the henhouse to kick it off again and we know that there are always someone who will just go out do just that.

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By *had0wMan over a year ago

Southampton

"Its dropping because winter is coming to an end.

Just like when flu cases used to be recorded, they dropped away at the end of winter.

They're not flu cases now... they're covid

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By *had0wMan over a year ago

Southampton

"On the Press conferences they have started showing graphs only from October last year. They say the vaccinations are bringing the infection and death rates down massively.

But is this true? Have any of our Fab Virus Experts* checked the data from last March to now?

The infection and death rates reduce during lockdowns anyway.....

* I mean this in an endearing way, not the sarcastic way it's usually used.

I'm the first to stick up for the "authorities" but feel there is something fishy or disingenuous going on. Our infection rates, death rates and hospitalisation rates are still ludicrously high.

I'm not an Enough is enough and all that stuff tub thumper but think there is more to the high infection rates than we are hearing.

Just as an example... We are still getting more than double the infections every single day as new Zealand have had in total for the last 12 months.

Have you seen false data published?

Were you tracking the numbers of people vaccinated, the dates of vaccinations and the delayed likely development of immunity dates, with the daily infection and death dates? "

You see false data published EVERY day.... it's called the media, and government....

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By *ungblackbullMan over a year ago

scotland

"On the Press conferences they have started showing graphs only from October last year. They say the vaccinations are bringing the infection and death rates down massively.

But is this true? Have any of our Fab Virus Experts* checked the data from last March to now?

The infection and death rates reduce during lockdowns anyway.....

* I mean this in an endearing way, not the sarcastic way it's usually used.

I'm the first to stick up for the "authorities" but feel there is something fishy or disingenuous going on. Our infection rates, death rates and hospitalisation rates are still ludicrously high.

I'm not an Enough is enough and all that stuff tub thumper but think there is more to the high infection rates than we are hearing.

Just as an example... We are still getting more than double the infections every single day as new Zealand have had in total for the last 12 months.

You would need context though with that stat.

Total covid deaths by 2 age groups

14097 in 45-64 group (few vaccinated )

60020 in 85+ group (almost all vaccinated)

In the last week

447 45-64

1237 85+

So, from this, we can see that the proportion of deaths in the older vaccinated group has dropped compared to the partially vaccinated group.

Vaccinated people are still dying with covid BUT please remember that the vaccine reduces transmission AND there is the covid deniers argument that many people who are recorded as a covid death were already close to death.

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By *had0wMan over a year ago

Southampton

"On the Press conferences they have started showing graphs only from October last year. They say the vaccinations are bringing the infection and death rates down massively.

But is this true? Have any of our Fab Virus Experts* checked the data from last March to now?

The infection and death rates reduce during lockdowns anyway.....

* I mean this in an endearing way, not the sarcastic way it's usually used.

I'm the first to stick up for the "authorities" but feel there is something fishy or disingenuous going on. Our infection rates, death rates and hospitalisation rates are still ludicrously high.

I'm not an Enough is enough and all that stuff tub thumper but think there is more to the high infection rates than we are hearing.

Just as an example... We are still getting more than double the infections every single day as new Zealand have had in total for the last 12 months.

You would need context though with that stat.

Total covid deaths by 2 age groups

14097 in 45-64 group (few vaccinated )

60020 in 85+ group (almost all vaccinated)

In the last week

447 45-64

1237 85+

So, from this, we can see that the proportion of deaths in the older vaccinated group has dropped compared to the partially vaccinated group.

Covid deniers? Lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Running the pcr (it's not a test according to its inventor) less cycles.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Running the pcr (it's not a test according to its inventor) less cycles."

Two myths in one short sentence. Cute.

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By *had0wMan over a year ago

Southampton

"Running the pcr (it's not a test according to its inventor) less cycles.

Two myths in one short sentence. Cute."

Not a myth.. widely known yet widely ignored... do your research

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Running the pcr (it's not a test according to its inventor) less cycles.

Two myths in one short sentence. Cute.

Not a myth.. widely known yet widely ignored... do your research"

Have done, thank you. Used quality sources, it's why I know it's bullshit.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"On the Press conferences they have started showing graphs only from October last year. They say the vaccinations are bringing the infection and death rates down massively.

But is this true? Have any of our Fab Virus Experts* checked the data from last March to now?

The infection and death rates reduce during lockdowns anyway.....

* I mean this in an endearing way, not the sarcastic way it's usually used.

I'm the first to stick up for the "authorities" but feel there is something fishy or disingenuous going on. Our infection rates, death rates and hospitalisation rates are still ludicrously high.

I'm not an Enough is enough and all that stuff tub thumper but think there is more to the high infection rates than we are hearing.

Just as an example... We are still getting more than double the infections every single day as new Zealand have had in total for the last 12 months.

Have you seen false data published?

Were you tracking the numbers of people vaccinated, the dates of vaccinations and the delayed likely development of immunity dates, with the daily infection and death dates?

You see false data published EVERY day.... it's called the media, and government...."

Precisely and when you actually break it down there is no Covid vaccine, not a vaccine in a traditional sense it is a gene therapy it does NOT provide immunity against Covid 19 nor does it prevent the spread of the disease, it does not reach the CDC of definition of a vaccine - fact.

It does not provide immunity or the spread of the disease.

Never been tested on animals or human - you that do have the jab are the guinea pigs!!!

Untested and unproven gene therapy.

ONE of the best Dr's to explain this is in very simple terms is Steven F. Hotze, MD

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By *ovebjsMan over a year ago

Bristol

"On the Press conferences they have started showing graphs only from October last year. They say the vaccinations are bringing the infection and death rates down massively.

But is this true? Have any of our Fab Virus Experts* checked the data from last March to now?

The infection and death rates reduce during lockdowns anyway.....

* I mean this in an endearing way, not the sarcastic way it's usually used.

I'm the first to stick up for the "authorities" but feel there is something fishy or disingenuous going on. Our infection rates, death rates and hospitalisation rates are still ludicrously high.

I'm not an Enough is enough and all that stuff tub thumper but think there is more to the high infection rates than we are hearing.

Just as an example... We are still getting more than double the infections every single day as new Zealand have had in total for the last 12 months.

Have you seen false data published?

Were you tracking the numbers of people vaccinated, the dates of vaccinations and the delayed likely development of immunity dates, with the daily infection and death dates?

You see false data published EVERY day.... it's called the media, and government....

It does not provide immunity or the spread of the disease.

Never been tested on animals or human - you that do have the jab are the guinea pigs!!!

Untested and unproven gene therapy.

ONE of the best Dr's to explain this is in very simple terms is Steven F. Hotze, MD"

And we have another one

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"On the Press conferences they have started showing graphs only from October last year. They say the vaccinations are bringing the infection and death rates down massively.

But is this true? Have any of our Fab Virus Experts* checked the data from last March to now?

The infection and death rates reduce during lockdowns anyway.....

* I mean this in an endearing way, not the sarcastic way it's usually used.

I'm the first to stick up for the "authorities" but feel there is something fishy or disingenuous going on. Our infection rates, death rates and hospitalisation rates are still ludicrously high.

I'm not an Enough is enough and all that stuff tub thumper but think there is more to the high infection rates than we are hearing.

Just as an example... We are still getting more than double the infections every single day as new Zealand have had in total for the last 12 months.

Have you seen false data published?

Were you tracking the numbers of people vaccinated, the dates of vaccinations and the delayed likely development of immunity dates, with the daily infection and death dates?

You see false data published EVERY day.... it's called the media, and government....

It does not provide immunity or the spread of the disease.

Never been tested on animals or human - you that do have the jab are the guinea pigs!!!

Untested and unproven gene therapy.

ONE of the best Dr's to explain this is in very simple terms is Steven F. Hotze, MD"

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By *ornLordMan over a year ago

Wiltshire and London

"On the Press conferences they have started showing graphs only from October last year. They say the vaccinations are bringing the infection and death rates down massively.

But is this true? Have any of our Fab Virus Experts* checked the data from last March to now?

The infection and death rates reduce during lockdowns anyway.....

* I mean this in an endearing way, not the sarcastic way it's usually used.

I'm the first to stick up for the "authorities" but feel there is something fishy or disingenuous going on. Our infection rates, death rates and hospitalisation rates are still ludicrously high.

I'm not an Enough is enough and all that stuff tub thumper but think there is more to the high infection rates than we are hearing.

Just as an example... We are still getting more than double the infections every single day as new Zealand have had in total for the last 12 months.

Have you seen false data published?

Were you tracking the numbers of people vaccinated, the dates of vaccinations and the delayed likely development of immunity dates, with the daily infection and death dates?

You see false data published EVERY day.... it's called the media, and government....

It does not provide immunity or the spread of the disease.

Never been tested on animals or human - you that do have the jab are the guinea pigs!!!

Untested and unproven gene therapy.

ONE of the best Dr's to explain this is in very simple terms is Steven F. Hotze, MD

And we have another one

Indeed

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

"On the Press conferences they have started showing graphs only from October last year. They say the vaccinations are bringing the infection and death rates down massively.

But is this true? Have any of our Fab Virus Experts* checked the data from last March to now?

The infection and death rates reduce during lockdowns anyway.....

* I mean this in an endearing way, not the sarcastic way it's usually used.

I'm the first to stick up for the "authorities" but feel there is something fishy or disingenuous going on. Our infection rates, death rates and hospitalisation rates are still ludicrously high.

I'm not an Enough is enough and all that stuff tub thumper but think there is more to the high infection rates than we are hearing.

Just as an example... We are still getting more than double the infections every single day as new Zealand have had in total for the last 12 months.

Have you seen false data published?

Were you tracking the numbers of people vaccinated, the dates of vaccinations and the delayed likely development of immunity dates, with the daily infection and death dates? "

I look everyday.. (sad I know but ever hopeful of a positive movement).

The vaccine takes (depending on your vaccine and source) somewhere between 2 to 4 weeks to develop its effectiveness. We have been injecting since what? 2nd week of Dec?

In the same was as infections are a pretty good indication of hospital admissions in 2 to 4 weeks time... And admissions are a pretty good indication of deaths in 2 to 4 weeks after that. When we lock down... It takes 2 to 3 weeks for infections to start dropping and then 2 to 4 weeks for admissions to drop and 2 to 4 weeks for deaths to drop. There are patterns.

In the same way that the rate of decrease has pretty much flattened out now with infections and actually increased slightly yesterday.. Day on day and week on week... Anyway you count it.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"On the Press conferences they have started showing graphs only from October last year. They say the vaccinations are bringing the infection and death rates down massively.

But is this true? Have any of our Fab Virus Experts* checked the data from last March to now?

The infection and death rates reduce during lockdowns anyway.....

* I mean this in an endearing way, not the sarcastic way it's usually used.

I'm the first to stick up for the "authorities" but feel there is something fishy or disingenuous going on. Our infection rates, death rates and hospitalisation rates are still ludicrously high.

I'm not an Enough is enough and all that stuff tub thumper but think there is more to the high infection rates than we are hearing.

Just as an example... We are still getting more than double the infections every single day as new Zealand have had in total for the last 12 months.

Have you seen false data published?

Were you tracking the numbers of people vaccinated, the dates of vaccinations and the delayed likely development of immunity dates, with the daily infection and death dates?

You see false data published EVERY day.... it's called the media, and government....

It does not provide immunity or the spread of the disease.

Never been tested on animals or human - you that do have the jab are the guinea pigs!!!

Untested and unproven gene therapy.

ONE of the best Dr's to explain this is in very simple terms is Steven F. Hotze, MD"

It's spelled 'Dr Seuss'.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

there must be some middle ground between lockdown zealots and covidiots/deniers /anti vaxxers..

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By *usty kayWoman over a year ago

Burnham

I love these posts, best way to see who I would avoid meeting!

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By *ob198XaMan over a year ago

teleford

"On the Press conferences they have started showing graphs only from October last year. They say the vaccinations are bringing the infection and death rates down massively.

But is this true? Have any of our Fab Virus Experts* checked the data from last March to now?

The infection and death rates reduce during lockdowns anyway.....

* I mean this in an endearing way, not the sarcastic way it's usually used.

I'm the first to stick up for the "authorities" but feel there is something fishy or disingenuous going on. Our infection rates, death rates and hospitalisation rates are still ludicrously high.

I'm not an Enough is enough and all that stuff tub thumper but think there is more to the high infection rates than we are hearing.

Just as an example... We are still getting more than double the infections every single day as new Zealand have had in total for the last 12 months.

Cases and deaths clearly falling fastest in the groups that have been prioritised for vaccination. What more do you need to know

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By *lamourpussyCouple over a year ago

Warwick

"On the Press conferences they have started showing graphs only from October last year. They say the vaccinations are bringing the infection and death rates down massively.

But is this true? Have any of our Fab Virus Experts* checked the data from last March to now?

The infection and death rates reduce during lockdowns anyway.....

* I mean this in an endearing way, not the sarcastic way it's usually used.

I'm the first to stick up for the "authorities" but feel there is something fishy or disingenuous going on. Our infection rates, death rates and hospitalisation rates are still ludicrously high.

I'm not an Enough is enough and all that stuff tub thumper but think there is more to the high infection rates than we are hearing.

Just as an example... We are still getting more than double the infections every single day as new Zealand have had in total for the last 12 months.

Cases and deaths clearly falling fastest in the groups that have been prioritised for vaccination. What more do you need to know"

I agree we should see the numbers, however what I do know is that a friend who is an A &E consultant working on a Covid ward in Birmingham says that they have far more new cases in the 50 and below age groups now and as far as he is aware the number of vaccinated patients who have subsequently died from Covid is very small and tends to be those with significant underlying conditions.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"On the Press conferences they have started showing graphs only from October last year. They say the vaccinations are bringing the infection and death rates down massively.

But is this true? Have any of our Fab Virus Experts* checked the data from last March to now?

The infection and death rates reduce during lockdowns anyway.....

* I mean this in an endearing way, not the sarcastic way it's usually used.

I'm the first to stick up for the "authorities" but feel there is something fishy or disingenuous going on. Our infection rates, death rates and hospitalisation rates are still ludicrously high.

I'm not an Enough is enough and all that stuff tub thumper but think there is more to the high infection rates than we are hearing.

Just as an example... We are still getting more than double the infections every single day as new Zealand have had in total for the last 12 months.

Have you seen false data published?

Were you tracking the numbers of people vaccinated, the dates of vaccinations and the delayed likely development of immunity dates, with the daily infection and death dates? "

Yes I'd like to see all that data. Interesting stay for you all though. Currently 8,000 people in hospital with covid. 1,000 on Mechanical beds.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"On the Press conferences they have started showing graphs only from October last year. They say the vaccinations are bringing the infection and death rates down massively.

But is this true? Have any of our Fab Virus Experts* checked the data from last March to now?

The infection and death rates reduce during lockdowns anyway.....

* I mean this in an endearing way, not the sarcastic way it's usually used.

I'm the first to stick up for the "authorities" but feel there is something fishy or disingenuous going on. Our infection rates, death rates and hospitalisation rates are still ludicrously high.

I'm not an Enough is enough and all that stuff tub thumper but think there is more to the high infection rates than we are hearing.

Just as an example... We are still getting more than double the infections every single day as new Zealand have had in total for the last 12 months.

You would need context though with that stat.

Total covid deaths by 2 age groups

14097 in 45-64 group (few vaccinated )

60020 in 85+ group (almost all vaccinated)

In the last week

447 45-64

1237 85+

So, from this, we can see that the proportion of deaths in the older vaccinated group has dropped compared to the partially vaccinated group.

This gives some interesting context then. So the vaccine is having an impact but maybe not as high as we had first been led to believe. The amount of people in hospital and on mechanical beds is promising though. Its something to keep an eye on.