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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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just been watching the Welsh minister talking about lifting restrictions..
from next week.. i think.. you can go into someone else's garden.. walk through someone's house to go to garden but can't use the toilet. This is the margins that drive people mad
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The answer is obvious... Plant pumpkins, they reckon urine is excellent to get them to grow big. So when your friends visit they can help water the pumpkins and abide by the rules at the same time  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"just been watching the Welsh minister talking about lifting restrictions..
from next week.. i think.. you can go into someone else's garden.. walk through someone's house to go to garden but can't use the toilet. This is the margins that drive people mad
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Just have a wee in the bushes  |
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"just been watching the Welsh minister talking about lifting restrictions..
from next week.. i think.. you can go into someone else's garden.. walk through someone's house to go to garden but can't use the toilet. This is the margins that drive people mad
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Shows Mentality of some politicians absolute control freaks , type of people you wouldn’t want as friends |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"so you cant use a toilet... bizarre rule, i mean ok you can have a wee in the bushes but what if you need a number 2"
Shit in the roses, assuming it has the same effect as horse shit  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Walking through a house does not usually involve touching anything apart from possibly door handles.
It is also minimal time spent in an enclosed space.
Going to the toilet involves more time indoors, touching many surfaces. Likely to involve also stopping to chat to people inside the house because people are sociable.
It is unlikely that people will wear face masks in a friend's house or social distance. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Walking through a house does not usually involve touching anything apart from possibly door handles.
It is also minimal time spent in an enclosed space.
Going to the toilet involves more time indoors, touching many surfaces. Likely to involve also stopping to chat to people inside the house because people are sociable.
It is unlikely that people will wear face masks in a friend's house or social distance."
I struggle to understand how people don't get this |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Walking through a house does not usually involve touching anything apart from possibly door handles.
It is also minimal time spent in an enclosed space.
Going to the toilet involves more time indoors, touching many surfaces. Likely to involve also stopping to chat to people inside the house because people are sociable.
It is unlikely that people will wear face masks in a friend's house or social distance.
I struggle to understand how people don't get this"
Don't worry, I do "get it". Was just making light of the situation with my comments about shitting in the roses etc. Sorry if I offended anyone  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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On the toilet note though, all our local supermarket toilets are open, with nothing available for you to clean surfaces before or after each individual use.   |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"On the toilet note though, all our local supermarket toilets are open, with nothing available for you to clean surfaces before or after each individual use. "
Very good point!
Same round here. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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let's face it if you're going to invite someone to have access to your house /garden a high percentage of people will let them use loo.. especially as you can wash your hands after the journey!!
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"On the toilet note though, all our local supermarket toilets are open, with nothing available for you to clean surfaces before or after each individual use.
Very good point!
Same round here."
When the gym was open, every piece of equipment, every shower and toilet cubible had a bottle of spray and dispoable towels to be wiped between people
Don't get why shop toilets can't /don't have to do this |
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Is it different than any other outdoor mixing, you go to the park, for a walk, sit on a bench and have a catch, no toilet facilities available there.
So same rules currently apply to gardens. I personally don’t see the confusion. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"let's face it if you're going to invite someone to have access to your house /garden a high percentage of people will let them use loo.. especially as you can wash your hands after the journey!!
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It's not exactly a rule they can enforce is it? |
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"let's face it if you're going to invite someone to have access to your house /garden a high percentage of people will let them use loo.. especially as you can wash your hands after the journey!!
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What about the surfaces they might touch on the way, are you going to follow and wipe each part they touch and then go in and wipe down the bathroom ? |
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The toilet rule is partly a practical one to reduce potential transmission and partly a psychological one to remind you that you're not safe from infection just because they're your friends. It also encourages you to not spend too much time with them.
Supermarket toilets are setup to be as hygienic and easy to sanitise as possible. Typically with touch-free soap and hand dryers. They're also generally cleaned regularly throughout the day.
Your friends house might not be so easy to sanitise between visits and you probably have one towel to dry everyone's hands on and touched a few door knobs going there and back. And given that you've probably hugged your friend or at least come within 2m of them, or accepted a mug from their hands, the exposure risk soon adds up.
It's tough going but we are getting there. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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you can also socially distance in the bathroom and usually well ventilated. as of 29th stay at home is lifted..so people will need toilet access also people who have had to work through this have been sharing bathrooms anyway and most households i know have numerous wipes and towels |
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"The toilet rule is partly a practical one to reduce potential transmission and partly a psychological one to remind you that you're not safe from infection just because they're your friends. It also encourages you to not spend too much time with them.
Supermarket toilets are setup to be as hygienic and easy to sanitise as possible. Typically with touch-free soap and hand dryers. They're also generally cleaned regularly throughout the day.
Your friends house might not be so easy to sanitise between visits and you probably have one towel to dry everyone's hands on and touched a few door knobs going there and back. And given that you've probably hugged your friend or at least come within 2m of them, or accepted a mug from their hands, the exposure risk soon adds up.
It's tough going but we are getting there. "
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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some of the supermarket loos I've had to use recently have been awful including one where there was no light in the men's toilet if there had not been any one using ladies at the same time |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The toilet rule is partly a practical one to reduce potential transmission and partly a psychological one to remind you that you're not safe from infection just because they're your friends. It also encourages you to not spend too much time with them.
Supermarket toilets are setup to be as hygienic and easy to sanitise as possible. Typically with touch-free soap and hand dryers. They're also generally cleaned regularly throughout the day.
Your friends house might not be so easy to sanitise between visits and you probably have one towel to dry everyone's hands on and touched a few door knobs going there and back. And given that you've probably hugged your friend or at least come within 2m of them, or accepted a mug from their hands, the exposure risk soon adds up.
It's tough going but we are getting there. "
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"Is it different than any other outdoor mixing, you go to the park, for a walk, sit on a bench and have a catch, no toilet facilities available there.
So same rules currently apply to gardens. I personally don’t see the confusion. "
Me neither
If you used a toilet in someone's house you are likely to touch lots of things on the way there, if you have Covid you may have left it on the said things...doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the logic of the rule |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"The toilet rule is partly a practical one to reduce potential transmission and partly a psychological one to remind you that you're not safe from infection just because they're your friends. It also encourages you to not spend too much time with them.
Supermarket toilets are setup to be as hygienic and easy to sanitise as possible. Typically with touch-free soap and hand dryers. They're also generally cleaned regularly throughout the day.
Your friends house might not be so easy to sanitise between visits and you probably have one towel to dry everyone's hands on and touched a few door knobs going there and back. And given that you've probably hugged your friend or at least come within 2m of them, or accepted a mug from their hands, the exposure risk soon adds up.
It's tough going but we are getting there. "
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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You know last year when they were opening up and people where saying WTF at some of the decisions ( me included ) when you sit and think about it you end up saying arrhhh yes as it does make sense.
Maybe so all of us who don't get it straight away, maybe they should add an explanation of why when telling people what rules there are. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"In Scotland you can use the toilet in England we're not even allowed in the garden"
Sorry, I don't even know why I found that so funny.
Is anyone actually taking any notice of this at all? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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there are countless professions like plumbers, builders, gas technicians and washing machine repairmen and the like that have been in and out pf peoples houses through the pandemic... bet they've all bed using people's loos |
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"The answer is obvious... Plant pumpkins, they reckon urine is excellent to get them to grow big. So when your friends visit they can help water the pumpkins and abide by the rules at the same time "
What about a big dump, are they any good? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The toilet rule is partly a practical one to reduce potential transmission and partly a psychological one to remind you that you're not safe from infection just because they're your friends. It also encourages you to not spend too much time with them.
Supermarket toilets are setup to be as hygienic and easy to sanitise as possible. Typically with touch-free soap and hand dryers. They're also generally cleaned regularly throughout the day.
Your friends house might not be so easy to sanitise between visits and you probably have one towel to dry everyone's hands on and touched a few door knobs going there and back. And given that you've probably hugged your friend or at least come within 2m of them, or accepted a mug from their hands, the exposure risk soon adds up.
It's tough going but we are getting there. "
It is easier to ensure a private toilet in someone's home is sanitised between each person, supermarkets are not providing equipment to allow people to clean thr toilet, sink etc before after themselves. The gym toilets had this in place in each cubicle. Seems to be beyond supermarkets, and they aren't getting cleaned between each person, like someone could easily do in their own house, should a visitor need to use the toilet etc |
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Again with the stay local. So can only travel 5 miles . Cant visit family outside that range to even go in their garden yet i can travel upto 250miles a day for work and visit 20-30 sites . Oh and travel more than 5 miles to a garden centre . Time dripford went |
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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago
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All these guidelines by each government is based on vulnerability which is not never mentioned so don't automatically think because government has said it's ok it's ok to follow use your own common knowledge just by number of deaths and be safe and act carefully remember it's your loved ones or friends which means nothing what's so ever to the government but means more to you it's not over as people are still dying might be less but this could also change and increase no matter if the NHS are able to control the pressure of those who have caught the virus..
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"Well I think Mark Drakeford has done a pretty good job even though I wont be voting for him in May "
Same here! He's always been pretty transparent with the WA decisions on covid and he doesn't make flashy promises that he knows he can't keep. He's very cautious about everything, which can be frustrating, but we've felt pretty safe with him, Kirsty and Vaughan in charge. Shame he's not running again for FM but he must be exhausted from the last 12 months. |
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By *reyyaMan
over a year ago
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"just been watching the Welsh minister talking about lifting restrictions..
from next week.. i think.. you can go into someone else's garden.. walk through someone's house to go to garden but can't use the toilet. This is the margins that drive people mad
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How would they know? |
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"just been watching the Welsh minister talking about lifting restrictions..
from next week.. i think.. you can go into someone else's garden.. walk through someone's house to go to garden but can't use the toilet. This is the margins that drive people mad
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How would they know?"
Perhaps they would know if the people who have had the vaccine use the toilet because of the microchip that is in the it |
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"just been watching the Welsh minister talking about lifting restrictions..
from next week.. i think.. you can go into someone else's garden.. walk through someone's house to go to garden but can't use the toilet. This is the margins that drive people mad
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How would they know?"
They don't. They expect people to obey the law. Like with many other laws where breaches aren't always detected |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Bring back the outside toilet .....
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Though DFL’s obviously think thats what Herne Bay and Whitstable beaches are."
you've just made me think of my long dead Nana the only person i knew stillwith an outside lavvy growing up
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By (user no longer on site)
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"just been watching the Welsh minister talking about lifting restrictions..
from next week.. i think.. you can go into someone else's garden.. walk through someone's house to go to garden but can't use the toilet. This is the margins that drive people mad
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How would they know?
They don't. They expect people to obey the law. Like with many other laws where breaches aren't always detected "
I would imagine if people in Wales have company in their gardens who wish to use the toilet, it isn't going to be a great chore for them to give the toilet and sink a quick sanitise before and after the visitor goes in and for them to use kitchen roll to dry their hands as opposed to a communal towel. This is a risk that is easilly mitigated by some simple steps |
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"just been watching the Welsh minister talking about lifting restrictions..
from next week.. i think.. you can go into someone else's garden.. walk through someone's house to go to garden but can't use the toilet. This is the margins that drive people mad
d
How would they know?
They don't. They expect people to obey the law. Like with many other laws where breaches aren't always detected
I would imagine if people in Wales have company in their gardens who wish to use the toilet, it isn't going to be a great chore for them to give the toilet and sink a quick sanitise before and after the visitor goes in and for them to use kitchen roll to dry their hands as opposed to a communal towel. This is a risk that is easilly mitigated by some simple steps "
I get that, but there's a theme through this section of "this can't be enforced (any of it), we'll just forge documents, etc".
The laws exist for a reason, and apply to other things. Why is it an acceptable or even conceivable argument to go "well, guess I'm gonna go do crime"? |
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"Bring back the outside toilet .....
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Though DFL’s obviously think thats what Herne Bay and Whitstable beaches are.
you've just made me think of my long dead Nana the only person i knew stillwith an outside lavvy growing up
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Thats what triggered the post, both my sets of grandparents had outside loo’s.
Using it in the winter was not one of life’s luxuries |
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"just been watching the Welsh minister talking about lifting restrictions..
from next week.. i think.. you can go into someone else's garden.. walk through someone's house to go to garden but can't use the toilet. This is the margins that drive people mad
d
How would they know?
They don't. They expect people to obey the law. Like with many other laws where breaches aren't always detected
I would imagine if people in Wales have company in their gardens who wish to use the toilet, it isn't going to be a great chore for them to give the toilet and sink a quick sanitise before and after the visitor goes in and for them to use kitchen roll to dry their hands as opposed to a communal towel. This is a risk that is easilly mitigated by some simple steps "
eek no not common sense.. you don't say
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"just been watching the Welsh minister talking about lifting restrictions..
from next week.. i think.. you can go into someone else's garden.. walk through someone's house to go to garden but can't use the toilet. This is the margins that drive people mad
d
How would they know?
They don't. They expect people to obey the law. Like with many other laws where breaches aren't always detected
I would imagine if people in Wales have company in their gardens who wish to use the toilet, it isn't going to be a great chore for them to give the toilet and sink a quick sanitise before and after the visitor goes in and for them to use kitchen roll to dry their hands as opposed to a communal towel. This is a risk that is easilly mitigated by some simple steps
eek no not common sense.. you don't say
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I don't think common sense has worked well here, do you?
Why does the rule exist? Will encourage spending time indoors, which will increase likelihood of transmission. Will increase length of visits. May reduce social distancing.
There's very clear rationale, balancing the need to socialise with the very real risk that remains.
We're so close to getting through this damn mess. So close. Why can't we just stick to the rules and get our lives back? |
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"just been watching the Welsh minister talking about lifting restrictions..
from next week.. i think.. you can go into someone else's garden.. walk through someone's house to go to garden but can't use the toilet. This is the margins that drive people mad
d
How would they know?
They don't. They expect people to obey the law. Like with many other laws where breaches aren't always detected
I would imagine if people in Wales have company in their gardens who wish to use the toilet, it isn't going to be a great chore for them to give the toilet and sink a quick sanitise before and after the visitor goes in and for them to use kitchen roll to dry their hands as opposed to a communal towel. This is a risk that is easilly mitigated by some simple steps
eek no not common sense.. you don't say
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You'd think wouldn't you? |
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My only issue with the toilet thing is that they remain open in supermarkets with no extra measures in place to allow us to sanitise before and after ourselves, with 100s of people passing through. Yes they may be cleaned regularly through the day, but between several customers not between every one. This is, however, easilly achievable in private toilets in people's homes. In the grand scheme of things it doesn't really matter to me, I don't like many people so am in no rush to have anyone from outside my existing bubble in my home or garden. Just that if toilets in peoples homes are such a risk for transmission then god help those in supermarkets |
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"My only issue with the toilet thing is that they remain open in supermarkets with no extra measures in place to allow us to sanitise before and after ourselves, with 100s of people passing through. Yes they may be cleaned regularly through the day, but between several customers not between every one. This is, however, easilly achievable in private toilets in people's homes. In the grand scheme of things it doesn't really matter to me, I don't like many people so am in no rush to have anyone from outside my existing bubble in my home or garden. Just that if toilets in peoples homes are such a risk for transmission then god help those in supermarkets "
I get it. I think consistency would be a fine thing, but *shrug*
I suspect in supermarkets you're more likely to socially distance, would be the answer, but I get that it's not perfect. |
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"My only issue with the toilet thing is that they remain open in supermarkets with no extra measures in place to allow us to sanitise before and after ourselves, with 100s of people passing through. Yes they may be cleaned regularly through the day, but between several customers not between every one. This is, however, easilly achievable in private toilets in people's homes. In the grand scheme of things it doesn't really matter to me, I don't like many people so am in no rush to have anyone from outside my existing bubble in my home or garden. Just that if toilets in peoples homes are such a risk for transmission then god help those in supermarkets
I get it. I think consistency would be a fine thing, but *shrug*
I suspect in supermarkets you're more likely to socially distance, would be the answer, but I get that it's not perfect."
you are much more likely to socially distance in someone else's bathroom than in a packed aisle at lidl!!
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