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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

I woke this morning to the headlines that the MET police were coming under pressure and disgust, for the way they handled the vigil at Clapham Common.

I find this difficult to understand for a few reasons:

1) The vigil had been deemed an illegal gathering under the COVID19 rules, and was announced as that in plenty of time.

2) The police reacted in exactly the same manner as they would with any similar sized illegal gathering.

It raises a couple of points, should the police have somehow reacted differently because it was a female illegal gathering? If they did they would surely be disrespecting the constant call for equality of women. Also, what exactly constitutes an acceptable level of antendees to an illegal gathering, 10, 20, 50, 100?

The event leading to this vigil is tragic, every life taken is tragic, but in the current climate such gatherings are irresponsible and should quite rightly be dealt with by police action regardless of gender. The original organisers of this vigil themselves made it perfectly clear the gathering was cancelled following a court decision, and called on people to hold a virtual vigil at home. So no, I do not agree with the pressure the MET are coming under, the gathering was illegal, and was dealt with correctly in the same manner any illegal gathering should be dealt with, irrespective of gender.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

2) The police reacted in exactly the same manner as they would with any similar sized illegal gathering.

There is no simple answer.

If you go back and look at the black lives matter protests, the police allowed them so it's not true to say the police acted in the same way. I'm not sure but I suspect the BLM protests didn't ask the police before hand, so there never was an opportunity for the police to ban it.

The human rights act still allows for the right to protest, so it's not as clear saying gatherings to protest are illegal regardless.

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By *ussymufferMan over a year ago

Lanarkshire

Look at the scenes last weekend in Glasgow and all over Scotland with rangers fans police Scotland standing about doing nothing about it in a pandemic they are no better than the met police

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

2) The police reacted in exactly the same manner as they would with any similar sized illegal gathering.

There is no simple answer.

The human rights act still allows for the right to protest, so it's not as clear saying gatherings to protest are illegal regardless. "

Maybe, but they were fully aware the vigil had been cancelled by law, but chose to ignore that and the organisers request and went ahead with it knowing it was an illegal gathering undar COVID restrictions. So how can they complain about being mistreated?

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By *ackandtheunicornCouple over a year ago

liverpool

It seems they went for an easy target. There weren't many there compared to other protests such as blm or anti lockdown protest. So it was much easier to intimidate the protesters.

Personally I think all protests should be allowed regardless of the covid situation.

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By *queegeeMan over a year ago

northampton

I personally think, we all have to act responsibly in these unprecedented times we live in so as to safeguard the sacrifices that we have all made

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

In my opinion the police were put in a very difficult situation, dammed if they do dammed if they don’t , I dare say a majority of the public there were there for genuine reason(s) then possibly a minority out to cause trouble , there is still a lockdown in place , having to deal with all the media hype & band wagon riding along with the blame train

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By *leaserforPleasureTV/TS over a year ago

Whitstable

Difficult for the police to handle this as the alleged perpetrator in the Sarah Everard murder is a serving police officer.

They (police) were in a no win situation.

Do nothing and “outrage of xxxx” kicks up about it.

Do something and “outrage of zzzz” kicks up about it.

I notice that the police presence was predominately male officers though there were some female officers there. Perhaps if the Met had more female officers on duty and Cressida Dick and her deputy and attended as well it may have defused things somewhat.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"It seems they went for an easy target. There weren't many there compared to other protests such as blm or anti lockdown protest. So it was much easier to intimidate the protesters.

Personally I think all protests should be allowed regardless of the covid situation."

I fully agree with a persons right to protest - in normal times. I do not agree with a persons rights to protest illegally however.

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By *eavenscentitCouple over a year ago

barnstaple

The met should be put under pressure, they are failing to protect over half of the population - women and, people of colour.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"The met should be put under pressure, they are failing to protect over half of the population - women and, people of colour."

Interesting, is it the MET failing to protect these... Or the people carrying out the acts failing to protect these?

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman over a year ago

On a mooch

2) The police reacted in exactly the same manner as they would with any similar sized illegal gathering.

There is no simple answer.

The human rights act still allows for the right to protest, so it's not as clear saying gatherings to protest are illegal regardless. "

It didn’t become illegal until 14 September for groups of 6 and above to gather outside, before then it was guidelines.

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By *ovebjsMan over a year ago

Bristol

If there were not the rules in place at the moment there would have been no problem but people just had to break the rules yet again!!

They were supposed to be having a doorstep vigil but no they just had to go anyway forcing the actions that followed.

I wonder who kicked off first ? A bit of a no brainier really is it.

The police always tell you to move on in the first instance and how many times do we see people just push back until they are forced to take a firmer stance and then it just escalated.

If the protesters had not ignored the the ruling the this would not have happened.

100% on the protesters

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

Was the police response appropriate to the circumstances? No. It certainly wasn't right to treat people so appallingly harshly, when they were fully peaceful, it was individuals who were mourning the loss of someone and probably all of them have experienced significant badly life-altering behaviour from men, through their lives. They should not have been manhandled but could have been supervised at distance, to ensure their wellbeing, if there was a need for the presence of more than a couple of police staff there. Other cities didn't need to have police behave in the same style, they let peaceful individuals continue without aggressive restraint.

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman over a year ago

trouble most likely, or creating it :)

I think the police did the right thing. All of those there in my eyes should have been fined.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

No one & I mean no has the right to spit in a police officer’s face & think they can still be above the law . ( walks out of room )

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By *ovebjsMan over a year ago

Bristol

"Was the police response appropriate to the circumstances? No. It certainly wasn't right to treat people so appallingly harshly, when they were fully peaceful, it was individuals who were mourning the loss of someone and probably all of them have experienced significant badly life-altering behaviour from men, through their lives. They should not have been manhandled but could have been supervised at distance, to ensure their wellbeing, if there was a need for the presence of more than a couple of police staff there. Other cities didn't need to have police behave in the same style, they let peaceful individuals continue without aggressive restraint. "

Supervised at a distance? They were told not to attend

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By *estivalMan over a year ago

borehamwood

Its not like the old bill just steamed in and started arresting people they were asked numerous times to disperse and chose not to so they were forced to move.ive no doubt if it had been an anti lockdown protest the talking heads on t.vwould be saying how irresponsible they were fir gathering during covid.dont get me wrong it was disgusting what happend to the girl who was murdered but these people were warned before hand that it was an illegal gathering.if they hadnt been there they wouldnt have been manhandled.wana count themselves lucky it was normal coppers clearing them and not the t.s.g

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By *en_Dover79Man over a year ago

Oswaldtwistle

onto a loser asking the british public to be sensible from the off...

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By *ovebjsMan over a year ago

Bristol

"Its not like the old bill just steamed in and started arresting people they were asked numerous times to disperse and chose not to so they were forced to move.ive no doubt if it had been an anti lockdown protest the talking heads on t.vwould be saying how irresponsible they were fir gathering during covid.dont get me wrong it was disgusting what happend to the girl who was murdered but these people were warned before hand that it was an illegal gathering.if they hadnt been there they wouldnt have been manhandled.wana count themselves lucky it was normal coppers clearing them and not the t.s.g"

Indeed if this had been in another country they would have been given a lot harder time

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

The fundamental problem with this viewpoint is that probably 99% of people ignoring rules/laws/restrictions for whatever reason can probably cite something in their lives that caused them to do so. Does that make them above the law... No.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I find it very interesting that this happened yesterday because tomorrow A bill is being debated that gives the police the right to disrupt and disperse even peaceful protests even after covid restrictions so we just need to bear this mind.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I find it very interesting that this happened yesterday because tomorrow A bill is being debated that gives the police the right to disrupt and disperse even peaceful protests even after covid restrictions so we just need to bear this mind."

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By *mmabluTV/TS over a year ago

upton wirral

"I woke this morning to the headlines that the MET police were coming under pressure and disgust, for the way they handled the vigil at Clapham Common.

I find this difficult to understand for a few reasons:

1) The vigil had been deemed an illegal gathering under the COVID19 rules, and was announced as that in plenty of time.

2) The police reacted in exactly the same manner as they would with any similar sized illegal gathering.

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I agree 100%

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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Along the way the law has changed/ been tweaked to stop protests/ vigils happening, from what little bit of footage I saw the police were speaking to the woman , I am assuming asking them to disperse, they didn't so they were arrested.

We can't have one rule for one and one for another, no matter what the gathering is for.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Along the way the law has changed/ been tweaked to stop protests/ vigils happening, from what little bit of footage I saw the police were speaking to the woman , I am assuming asking them to disperse, they didn't so they were arrested.

We can't have one rule for one and one for another, no matter what the gathering is for."

But this is the problem it seems like we do. New years eve hundreds of people gathered outside hospitals in London drinking and shouting covid is fake and the police just stood and watched.

Have been anti lock down protests since the new law in September banning gatherings of 6 and making illegal and the police only arrested those that got violent.

So I can see why people think this was heavy handed.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

We can't have one rule for one and one for another, no matter what the gathering is for."

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

"We can't have one rule for one and one for another"

it's a shame members of government and various celebrities disagree

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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PS one girl who was arrested has called for people ( on a video on social media )to meet at another place on Monday.

The police can't win....they have to do as asked, get slagged off for it and have to mix with a load of people (very closely too) who may have covid.

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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"We can't have one rule for one and one for another

it's a shame members of government and various celebrities disagree"

A different subject altogether

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By *reyyaMan over a year ago

North Yorkshire

2) The police reacted in exactly the same manner as they would with any similar sized illegal gathering.

There is no simple answer.

The human rights act still allows for the right to protest, so it's not as clear saying gatherings to protest are illegal regardless. "

The vigil was peaceable. Until the police moved in and assaulted the people mainly women.

We have the right to protest.

The Met police do not decide our rights.

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By *F65Man over a year ago

Ventnor

I’m shocked at the amount of people that seemingly enjoy and encourage this subjugation

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

"We can't have one rule for one and one for another

it's a shame members of government and various celebrities disagree

A different subject altogether"

i disagree ... it's exactly the same concept and the two are inseperable

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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We can't have one rule for one and one for another, no matter what the gathering is for.

But this is the problem it seems like we do. New years eve hundreds of people gathered outside hospitals in London drinking and shouting covid is fake and the police just stood and watched.

Have been anti lock down protests since the new law in September banning gatherings of 6 and making illegal and the police only arrested those that got violent.

So I can see why people think this was heavy handed."

This is the bit were they won't win, you say they only got active when someone got violent, that means they were left for a while to their protest. Last night they only arrested people after asking them to disperse, the people were left alone for hours...both your scenario and last nights seem consistent at least

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By *ictoriaathomeTV/TS over a year ago

Huddersfield

I haven't seen all the footage but had read reports of the 'events'. The loss of any life is tragic no question. We live in a difficult time and as a result of the Covid restrictions are in place to help save the spread of the virus.

The vigil had been told not to happen by the courts, gatherings are not supposed to be happening so yes the police were correct to ask the people to move on. They didn't so the police moved in. As mentioned earlier other protests have been allowed to go ahead without interruption from the police, Liverpool fans, Rangers fans, BLM protests. These by rights should have been stopped, maybe crowd sizes was an issue I don't know.

Its everybody's responsibility to keep everybody else safe by not holding gatherings. When it's all finished and we have no more Covid, gather as much as you want!!

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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"We can't have one rule for one and one for another

it's a shame members of government and various celebrities disagree

A different subject altogether

i disagree ... it's exactly the same concept and the two are inseperable"

It isn't to this subject matter, maybe start a thread on it

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

"We can't have one rule for one and one for another

it's a shame members of government and various celebrities disagree

A different subject altogether

i disagree ... it's exactly the same concept and the two are inseperable

It isn't to this subject matter, maybe start a thread on it

again i disagree, the two are inseparable

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By *F65Man over a year ago

Ventnor

I wonder if they had approached the Duchess of Cambridge when she visited and told her it was illegal what would have happened, I bet they would not have handcuffed her with a knee in the back

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

2) The police reacted in exactly the same manner as they would with any similar sized illegal gathering.

There is no simple answer.

The human rights act still allows for the right to protest, so it's not as clear saying gatherings to protest are illegal regardless.

The vigil was peaceable. Until the police moved in and assaulted the people mainly women.

We have the right to protest.

The Met police do not decide our rights. "

Indirectly they do, via the laws/rules/restrictions set down in parliament. If you choose to ignore a direct ruling not to gather then you also have to accept the consequences.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

"I wonder if they had approached the Duchess of Cambridge when she visited and told her it was illegal what would have happened, I bet they would not have handcuffed her with a knee in the back"

this is partly what i am alluding to

... she wore no mask either

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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"In my opinion the police were put in a very difficult situation, dammed if they do dammed if they don’t , I dare say a majority of the public there were there for genuine reason(s) then possibly a minority out to cause trouble , there is still a lockdown in place , having to deal with all the media hype & band wagon riding along with the blame train "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I wonder if they had approached the Duchess of Cambridge when she visited and told her it was illegal what would have happened, I bet they would not have handcuffed her with a knee in the back"

This is very true, She was escorted there by police protection officers.

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By *entGent75Man over a year ago

Dartford

The vigil in my view was an irresponsible gathering despite tragic circumstances. It is also disrespectful where limits are in place for the number of people who can attend funerals and alternative streeming via Zoom etc has been required. The attendees of this vigil went in the knowledge that Covid remains a factor, that it is insensitive to others who can not do the same to mourn family and friends who have died but seek to cry out about the injustice to their human rights when they have ignored the message from Police to move on. They had a choice about whether to attend and whether to move on. If they seek any respect they should start showing some.

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By *ictoriaathomeTV/TS over a year ago

Huddersfield

"The vigil in my view was an irresponsible gathering despite tragic circumstances. It is also disrespectful where limits are in place for the number of people who can attend funerals and alternative streeming via Zoom etc has been required. The attendees of this vigil went in the knowledge that Covid remains a factor, that it is insensitive to others who can not do the same to mourn family and friends who have died but seek to cry out about the injustice to their human rights when they have ignored the message from Police to move on. They had a choice about whether to attend and whether to move on. If they seek any respect they should start showing some. "

100%

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By *reyyaMan over a year ago

North Yorkshire

"I wonder if they had approached the Duchess of Cambridge when she visited and told her it was illegal what would have happened, I bet they would not have handcuffed her with a knee in the back"

One rule for one and one for another

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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O o O oo

I lit a candle and put it in the window as asked

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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"I wonder if they had approached the Duchess of Cambridge when she visited and told her it was illegal what would have happened, I bet they would not have handcuffed her with a knee in the back

One rule for one and one for another"

Not really, there were lots of people all day that the police didn't go near. They turned a blind eye to lots of people milling. Hours later when crowds were getting bigger and not dispersing they decided to ask people to go home.

Why not say what really happened

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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O o O oo

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By *JCouple over a year ago

Teesside

"I wonder if they had approached the Duchess of Cambridge when she visited and told her it was illegal what would have happened, I bet they would not have handcuffed her with a knee in the back

this is partly what i am alluding to

... she wore no mask either"

I can't even find a news report of that imagine if Megan had done (whilst an active royal) the press would have battered her.

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By *mmabluTV/TS over a year ago

upton wirral

"PS one girl who was arrested has called for people ( on a video on social media )to meet at another place on Monday.

The police can't win....they have to do as asked, get slagged off for it and have to mix with a load of people (very closely too) who may have covid."
Why should these protestors be treated differently to kids going to ravs etc?Fine them all and make them pay

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By *F65Man over a year ago

Ventnor

"I wonder if they had approached the Duchess of Cambridge when she visited and told her it was illegal what would have happened, I bet they would not have handcuffed her with a knee in the back

this is partly what i am alluding to

... she wore no mask either

I can't even find a news report of that imagine if Megan had done (whilst an active royal) the press would have battered her.

KJ "

Just Google it, loads of articles and pictures.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

"I wonder if they had approached the Duchess of Cambridge when she visited and told her it was illegal what would have happened, I bet they would not have handcuffed her with a knee in the back

this is partly what i am alluding to

... she wore no mask either

I can't even find a news report of that imagine if Megan had done (whilst an active royal) the press would have battered her.

KJ "

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/video/2021/mar/13/kate-duchess-of-cambridge-pays-respects-to-sarah-everard-in-london-video

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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"I wonder if they had approached the Duchess of Cambridge when she visited and told her it was illegal what would have happened, I bet they would not have handcuffed her with a knee in the back

this is partly what i am alluding to

... she wore no mask either"

Why didn't you say that instead of being vague and I wouldn't have asked you to start another thread

Me personally didn't think anyone should be out at a vigil or protest while we are fighting Covid and I really don't think it was a good idea for the future Queen to be doing the same

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

i wasn't being vague, but clearly my assumption that people who were commenting had read or watched the news this morning was erroneous.

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By *ovebjsMan over a year ago

Bristol

She was outside so mask not needed and she was there just to lay flowers and left was there minutes discreetly.

A bit of a non story really as was a personal thing

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By *ovebjsMan over a year ago

Bristol

"I wonder if they had approached the Duchess of Cambridge when she visited and told her it was illegal what would have happened, I bet they would not have handcuffed her with a knee in the back

this is partly what i am alluding to

... she wore no mask either

Why didn't you say that instead of being vague and I wouldn't have asked you to start another thread

Me personally didn't think anyone should be out at a vigil or protest while we are fighting Covid and I really don't think it was a good idea for the future Queen to be doing the same"

She was not at the vigil

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I wonder if they had approached the Duchess of Cambridge when she visited and told her it was illegal what would have happened, I bet they would not have handcuffed her with a knee in the back

this is partly what i am alluding to

... she wore no mask either

I can't even find a news report of that imagine if Megan had done (whilst an active royal) the press would have battered her.

KJ "

A quick Google comes up with several articles and photos and it's been all over the BBC News and sky news this morning so you don't even have to look that hard to find it.

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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"I wonder if they had approached the Duchess of Cambridge when she visited and told her it was illegal what would have happened, I bet they would not have handcuffed her with a knee in the back

this is partly what i am alluding to

... she wore no mask either

Why didn't you say that instead of being vague and I wouldn't have asked you to start another thread

Me personally didn't think anyone should be out at a vigil or protest while we are fighting Covid and I really don't think it was a good idea for the future Queen to be doing the same

She was not at the vigil "

How did she lay the flowers that you said she laid if she wasn't there?

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By *reyyaMan over a year ago

North Yorkshire

We have the right to protest

The Met police do not decide our rights

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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They may not decide the rules but they enforce them if needed

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By *estivalMan over a year ago

borehamwood

"We have the right to protest

The Met police do not decide our rights "

Not at the momment you dont.hope all the people complaining about the police this morning complain just as hard wen the start battering anti lockdown protesters or will that be ok because you dont agree with there protest.by the way im not an anti lockdown nutter.just pointing out you cant have one law for one group because there cause is good and another law for people because there cause is a bit shit.either everyone cane gather now or no one can

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We have the right to protest

The Met police do not decide our rights

But that's the point the anti lockdown protesters were able to gather.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

"We have the right to protest

The Met police do not decide our rights

But that's the point the anti lockdown protesters were able to gather."

and so were the protesters yesterday though ... despite the met policing methods.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I wonder if they had approached the Duchess of Cambridge when she visited and told her it was illegal what would have happened, I bet they would not have handcuffed her with a knee in the back

this is partly what i am alluding to

... she wore no mask either

Why didn't you say that instead of being vague and I wouldn't have asked you to start another thread

Me personally didn't think anyone should be out at a vigil or protest while we are fighting Covid and I really don't think it was a good idea for the future Queen to be doing the same

She was not at the vigil

How did she lay the flowers that you said she laid if she wasn't there?"

as far as i understand the vigil was organised for the evening and she passed through and laid flowers during the day

if there is a concert in a park on Monday and i walked through the park on sunday should i claim to have attended the concert?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"The Met police do not decide our rights "

Good luck with that argument in court.

"Sorry M'Lord, but I contend the Met arresting me for stealing the car was unjust, they don't decide my rights to not taking something that isn't mine".

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By *00STERMan over a year ago

nearby

The whole situation has been hijacked by militant groups, there were placards there showing the letters ACAB (all cops are bastards) they were were there for one reason only, to cause trouble. Now there was probably people there for the original intended reason but this was going to end this way, all the people there broke the law, went against the family’s wishes. Those rent a mob types that were there have caused this not the police. There was a perfectly peaceful and respectful alternative done my most people around the country with the door step vigil. The police to not pin people down and arrest them without good reason normally resisting arrest. Break the law - get arrested it’s really quite simple. This whole event undermines the original message from this horrid tragedy.

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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"I wonder if they had approached the Duchess of Cambridge when she visited and told her it was illegal what would have happened, I bet they would not have handcuffed her with a knee in the back

this is partly what i am alluding to

... she wore no mask either

Why didn't you say that instead of being vague and I wouldn't have asked you to start another thread

Me personally didn't think anyone should be out at a vigil or protest while we are fighting Covid and I really don't think it was a good idea for the future Queen to be doing the same

She was not at the vigil

How did she lay the flowers that you said she laid if she wasn't there?

as far as i understand the vigil was organised for the evening and she passed through and laid flowers during the day

if there is a concert in a park on Monday and i walked through the park on sunday should i claim to have attended the concert? "

One day there will be a discussion on here without people being facetious

The vigil wasn't organised at all, the vigil was cancelled by the organisers, it ended up an impromptu vigil later on in the night. I used the word vigil or protest as it was a gathering of people...I will change those words to gathering now so the point is not lost

Lots of people gathered to place flowers, hardly any social distanced, the future Queen did the same thing

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

realistically there is no difference between the gathering of hundreds of protesters wether it's during daylight, twilight or nightfall, regardless of their social status they are protesting.

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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Agreed

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

"The whole situation has been hijacked by militant groups, there were placards there showing the letters ACAB (all cops are bastards)"

hardly surprising when the prime suspect in the murder of another woman is a serving constable who has sworn an oath to protect the person he has allegedly murdered.

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By *entGent75Man over a year ago

Dartford

"We have the right to protest

The Met police do not decide our rights

We also have the right to life. So i think that life comes higher than the right to protest at the moment.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"The whole situation has been hijacked by militant groups, there were placards there showing the letters ACAB (all cops are bastards)

hardly surprising when the prime suspect in the murder of another woman is a serving constable who has sworn an oath to protect the person he has allegedly murdered."

Think this has digressed onto becoming a different topic as usual. The OP is about the right or wrong of the gathering going ahead and were the Met right in intervening.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

"We also have the right to life. So i think that life comes higher than the right to protest at the moment. "

perhaps hold onto that thought when you consider sarah everards family's loss at the hands of a serving met officer.

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By *entGent75Man over a year ago

Dartford

"We also have the right to life. So i think that life comes higher than the right to protest at the moment.

perhaps hold onto that thought when you consider sarah everards family's loss at the hands of a serving met officer."

Two wrongs don't make a right.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

"We also have the right to life. So i think that life comes higher than the right to protest at the moment.

perhaps hold onto that thought when you consider sarah everards family's loss at the hands of a serving met officer.

Two wrongs don't make a right. "

and nobody has implied it is so

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By *estivalMan over a year ago

borehamwood

"We also have the right to life. So i think that life comes higher than the right to protest at the moment.

perhaps hold onto that thought when you consider sarah everards family's loss at the hands of a serving met officer."

Perhaps those at clapham common last night shoud of paid attention to her family also.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

"We also have the right to life. So i think that life comes higher than the right to protest at the moment.

perhaps hold onto that thought when you consider sarah everards family's loss at the hands of a serving met officer.

Perhaps those at clapham common last night shoud of paid attention to her family also."

quite probably

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The whole situation has been hijacked by militant groups, there were placards there showing the letters ACAB (all cops are bastards)

hardly surprising when the prime suspect in the murder of another woman is a serving constable who has sworn an oath to protect the person he has allegedly murdered."

All ? Did we have all nurses and all doctors when Bev Allott and Harold Shipman were killing people. Is the unarmed cop who was stabbed to death outside parliament and the cops who ran towards danger when extremists were murdering people they bastards to ?

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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I think the sentiment to the poor woman has now been lost altogether

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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"The whole situation has been hijacked by militant groups, there were placards there showing the letters ACAB (all cops are bastards)

hardly surprising when the prime suspect in the murder of another woman is a serving constable who has sworn an oath to protect the person he has allegedly murdered."

It is one person , not the whole police force

I did see a picture with people in a crowd with the whole gimp mask type thing on and placards but I assumed they could have been old pics resurrected, maybe not then

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

"The whole situation has been hijacked by militant groups, there were placards there showing the letters ACAB (all cops are bastards)

hardly surprising when the prime suspect in the murder of another woman is a serving constable who has sworn an oath to protect the person he has allegedly murdered.

you have confused me with the person holding the placard in question. maybe ask them instead.

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman over a year ago

trouble most likely, or creating it :)

"The whole situation has been hijacked by militant groups, there were placards there showing the letters ACAB (all cops are bastards)

hardly surprising when the prime suspect in the murder of another woman is a serving constable who has sworn an oath to protect the person he has allegedly murdered.

Think this has digressed onto becoming a different topic as usual. The OP is about the right or wrong of the gathering going ahead and were the Met right in intervening."
I think they were right to interfere and dont think that people should have been there.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The whole situation has been hijacked by militant groups, there were placards there showing the letters ACAB (all cops are bastards)

hardly surprising when the prime suspect in the murder of another woman is a serving constable who has sworn an oath to protect the person he has allegedly murdered.

you have confused me with the person holding the placard in question. maybe ask them instead."

I am confused with you finding it hardly surprising

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I wonder if they had approached the Duchess of Cambridge when she visited and told her it was illegal what would have happened, I bet they would not have handcuffed her with a knee in the back

this is partly what i am alluding to

... she wore no mask either

Why didn't you say that instead of being vague and I wouldn't have asked you to start another thread

Me personally didn't think anyone should be out at a vigil or protest while we are fighting Covid and I really don't think it was a good idea for the future Queen to be doing the same

She was not at the vigil

How did she lay the flowers that you said she laid if she wasn't there?

as far as i understand the vigil was organised for the evening and she passed through and laid flowers during the day

if there is a concert in a park on Monday and i walked through the park on sunday should i claim to have attended the concert?

One day there will be a discussion on here without people being facetious

Lots of people gathered to place flowers, hardly any social distanced, the future Queen did the same thing"

its nothing to do with being facetious , your original point was vague and wether that was on purpose to make a point only you will know but details matter

the official vigil was arranged for the evening, it was then cancelled , the “impromtu” vigil then took place in the evening at the same time as the official one had been planned

arriving at the same spot during the day (not as part of a group) to quietly lay some flowers only stay a few minutes and then leave is hardly attending an illegal protest

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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"We also have the right to life. So i think that life comes higher than the right to protest at the moment.

perhaps hold onto that thought when you consider sarah everards family's loss at the hands of a serving met officer.

Perhaps those at clapham common last night shoud of paid attention to her family also."

I did wonder about this, do we know what the family thought about it?

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman over a year ago

On a mooch

"The whole situation has been hijacked by militant groups, there were placards there showing the letters ACAB (all cops are bastards)

hardly surprising when the prime suspect in the murder of another woman is a serving constable who has sworn an oath to protect the person he has allegedly murdered."

One person does not relate to the whole force, just like one vile person does not define one gender or race.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

"The whole situation has been hijacked by militant groups, there were placards there showing the letters ACAB (all cops are bastards)

hardly surprising when the prime suspect in the murder of another woman is a serving constable who has sworn an oath to protect the person he has allegedly murdered.

It is one person , not the whole police force

I did see a picture with people in a crowd with the whole gimp mask type thing on and placards but I assumed they could have been old pics resurrected, maybe not then"

contextually, it appears the protest is regarding the safety of women in general and the escalation of incidents around the country where police officers have exploited the vulnerability of female victims of crime & women who are in custody for committing crime, where the officers have sexually assualted their victims without facing justice. the murder of sarah everard is seen as the culmination of these events and has triggered mass protests as a result. it appears that there have been small protests in other towns and cities.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We also have the right to life. So i think that life comes higher than the right to protest at the moment.

perhaps hold onto that thought when you consider sarah everards family's loss at the hands of a serving met officer.

Perhaps those at clapham common last night shoud of paid attention to her family also.

I did wonder about this, do we know what the family thought about it?"

they asked people not to go , its a shame for the family because they are grieving a loved one, and their loved one has now become the face of a movement - while it had the potential to be positive its probably just going to make it more difficult for them to move on

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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"I wonder if they had approached the Duchess of Cambridge when she visited and told her it was illegal what would have happened, I bet they would not have handcuffed her with a knee in the back

this is partly what i am alluding to

... she wore no mask either

Why didn't you say that instead of being vague and I wouldn't have asked you to start another thread

Me personally didn't think anyone should be out at a vigil or protest while we are fighting Covid and I really don't think it was a good idea for the future Queen to be doing the same

She was not at the vigil

How did she lay the flowers that you said she laid if she wasn't there?

as far as i understand the vigil was organised for the evening and she passed through and laid flowers during the day

if there is a concert in a park on Monday and i walked through the park on sunday should i claim to have attended the concert?

One day there will be a discussion on here without people being facetious

Lots of people gathered to place flowers, hardly any social distanced, the future Queen did the same thing

its nothing to do with being facetious , your original point was vague and wether that was on purpose to make a point only you will know but details matter

the official vigil was arranged for the evening, it was then cancelled , the “impromtu” vigil then took place in the evening at the same time as the official one had been planned

arriving at the same spot during the day (not as part of a group) to quietly lay some flowers only stay a few minutes and then leave is hardly attending an illegal protest "

" there is a concert in a park on Monday and i walked through the park on sunday should i claim to have attended the concert?" This is hardly the same scenario so it will take the discussion away from what people are talking about.

I will again rephrase for you.

"Me personally didn't think anyone should be out at a vigil or protest or gathering while we are fighting Covid and I really don't think it was a good idea for the future Queen to be doing the same"

Once she saw and others saw how many people were there maybe they should have gone a different time instead otherwise you are all in a gathering and for some where there to stay all day in that gathering

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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"We also have the right to life. So i think that life comes higher than the right to protest at the moment.

perhaps hold onto that thought when you consider sarah everards family's loss at the hands of a serving met officer.

Perhaps those at clapham common last night shoud of paid attention to her family also.

I did wonder about this, do we know what the family thought about it?

In which case that is so wrong, people should have gone with their wishes otherwise it just looks like people are only out for their own agendas

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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O o O oo

"The whole situation has been hijacked by militant groups, there were placards there showing the letters ACAB (all cops are bastards)

hardly surprising when the prime suspect in the murder of another woman is a serving constable who has sworn an oath to protect the person he has allegedly murdered.

It is one person , not the whole police force

I did see a picture with people in a crowd with the whole gimp mask type thing on and placards but I assumed they could have been old pics resurrected, maybe not then

Seriously? I must be a mushroom at the minute as I thought it was about a vigil for a poor woman who has been murdered. No wonder the family didn't want it happening

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We also have the right to life. So i think that life comes higher than the right to protest at the moment.

perhaps hold onto that thought when you consider sarah everards family's loss at the hands of a serving met officer.

Perhaps those at clapham common last night shoud of paid attention to her family also.

I did wonder about this, do we know what the family thought about it?

In which case that is so wrong, people should have gone with their wishes otherwise it just looks like people are only out for their own agendas"

i think if the family ask for sarah to be disassociated from the movement then people should respectfully do that , however the “own agenda” for the most part is the safety of women which is don’t think is an inappropriate agenda to want to discuss/ protest for

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

"Seriously? I must be a mushroom at the minute as I thought it was about a vigil for a poor woman who has been murdered. No wonder the family didn't want it happening"

perhaps you hadn't noticed over the decades that not everybody who turns out to a mass protest is exactly on message with everyone else who turned out.

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By *ovebjsMan over a year ago

Bristol

"I wonder if they had approached the Duchess of Cambridge when she visited and told her it was illegal what would have happened, I bet they would not have handcuffed her with a knee in the back

this is partly what i am alluding to

... she wore no mask either

Why didn't you say that instead of being vague and I wouldn't have asked you to start another thread

Me personally didn't think anyone should be out at a vigil or protest while we are fighting Covid and I really don't think it was a good idea for the future Queen to be doing the same

She was not at the vigil

How did she lay the flowers that you said she laid if she wasn't there?"

I said she was not at the vigil she she laid flowers and left

she as not at the vigil where it all kicked off because people would not respect the rules in place

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By *eanoCoolMan over a year ago

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