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... variants are more likely to happen with more transmission. Vaccines reduce transmission. Our odds improve, and less people get sick and develop disabilities or die.
Or, you know, if it's less than 100% perfect and a guarantee of no Covid, world peace, and a bigger dick, it's obviously worthless, because that's how everything works, right?
Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. |
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By *had0w OP Man
over a year ago
Southampton |
"... variants are more likely to happen with more transmission. Vaccines reduce transmission. Our odds improve, and less people get sick and develop disabilities or die.
Or, you know, if it's less than 100% perfect and a guarantee of no Covid, world peace, and a bigger dick, it's obviously worthless, because that's how everything works, right?
Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good."
You mean variants from other countries when we're in a lockdown.... explain that then |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"... variants are more likely to happen with more transmission. Vaccines reduce transmission. Our odds improve, and less people get sick and develop disabilities or die.
Or, you know, if it's less than 100% perfect and a guarantee of no Covid, world peace, and a bigger dick, it's obviously worthless, because that's how everything works, right?
Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
You mean variants from other countries when we're in a lockdown.... explain that then"
How long have you got? Hope you're sitting comfortably....
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By *lan157Man
over a year ago
a village near Haywards Heath in East Sussex |
"So lockdown finishes and cases rise and another new variant.... vaccines must be really worth having. Ready for a third lockdown?"
Why OP would you suggest a vaccine which reduces your chances,and those you care about, from dying, from covid is not worth having? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So lockdown finishes and cases rise and another new variant.... vaccines must be really worth having. Ready for a third lockdown?"
I am op, I believe it will be in September. |
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"... variants are more likely to happen with more transmission. Vaccines reduce transmission. Our odds improve, and less people get sick and develop disabilities or die.
Or, you know, if it's less than 100% perfect and a guarantee of no Covid, world peace, and a bigger dick, it's obviously worthless, because that's how everything works, right?
Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
You mean variants from other countries when we're in a lockdown.... explain that then"
... People flying in.
Hope that helps. |
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There will not be more lockdowns. As we are going to have to learn to live with covid. If there are outbreaks in areas you may see local quarantine, restrictions and mass testing. But the uk could not afford or handle another national lockdown . People are already becoming restless and the forums and polls tell you more and more poeple think we should now just get on with our lives.this has been the worst 18mths of our lives and hopefully we will not experience this again in our lifetimes. But nature can be a bitch. |
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By *had0w OP Man
over a year ago
Southampton |
"So lockdown finishes and cases rise and another new variant.... vaccines must be really worth having. Ready for a third lockdown?
Why OP would you suggest a vaccine which reduces your chances,and those you care about, from dying, from covid is not worth having? "
Cos it's not proven to do anything. |
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"So lockdown finishes and cases rise and another new variant.... vaccines must be really worth having. Ready for a third lockdown?
Why OP would you suggest a vaccine which reduces your chances,and those you care about, from dying, from covid is not worth having?
Cos it's not proven to do anything. "
That's cute. |
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By *had0w OP Man
over a year ago
Southampton |
"... variants are more likely to happen with more transmission. Vaccines reduce transmission. Our odds improve, and less people get sick and develop disabilities or die.
Or, you know, if it's less than 100% perfect and a guarantee of no Covid, world peace, and a bigger dick, it's obviously worthless, because that's how everything works, right?
Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
You mean variants from other countries when we're in a lockdown.... explain that then
... People flying in.
Hope that helps."
Lockdown... no one in or out... |
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"... variants are more likely to happen with more transmission. Vaccines reduce transmission. Our odds improve, and less people get sick and develop disabilities or die.
Or, you know, if it's less than 100% perfect and a guarantee of no Covid, world peace, and a bigger dick, it's obviously worthless, because that's how everything works, right?
Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
You mean variants from other countries when we're in a lockdown.... explain that then
... People flying in.
Hope that helps.
Lockdown... no one in or out..."
... Is that actually happening?  |
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By *had0w OP Man
over a year ago
Southampton |
"... variants are more likely to happen with more transmission. Vaccines reduce transmission. Our odds improve, and less people get sick and develop disabilities or die.
Or, you know, if it's less than 100% perfect and a guarantee of no Covid, world peace, and a bigger dick, it's obviously worthless, because that's how everything works, right?
Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
You mean variants from other countries when we're in a lockdown.... explain that then
... People flying in.
Hope that helps.
Lockdown... no one in or out...
... Is that actually happening? "
It was meant to.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"... variants are more likely to happen with more transmission. Vaccines reduce transmission. Our odds improve, and less people get sick and develop disabilities or die.
Or, you know, if it's less than 100% perfect and a guarantee of no Covid, world peace, and a bigger dick, it's obviously worthless, because that's how everything works, right?
Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
You mean variants from other countries when we're in a lockdown.... explain that then
... People flying in.
Hope that helps.
Lockdown... no one in or out..."
Your naivety is endearing, OP. |
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You've not referenced the huge reduction in infections over this lockdown period, nor the other positive changes. Are you cherry picking some odd bits of info from just here and there, to suit your agenda OP? What's your plan? |
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"... variants are more likely to happen with more transmission. Vaccines reduce transmission. Our odds improve, and less people get sick and develop disabilities or die.
Or, you know, if it's less than 100% perfect and a guarantee of no Covid, world peace, and a bigger dick, it's obviously worthless, because that's how everything works, right?
Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
You mean variants from other countries when we're in a lockdown.... explain that then
... People flying in.
Hope that helps.
Lockdown... no one in or out..."
People in the UK are not permitted to travel except for specific exceptional circumstances. There is no block for general incoming travellers, except for a minority of countries, including enforced Hotel quarantine. |
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"... variants are more likely to happen with more transmission. Vaccines reduce transmission. Our odds improve, and less people get sick and develop disabilities or die.
Or, you know, if it's less than 100% perfect and a guarantee of no Covid, world peace, and a bigger dick, it's obviously worthless, because that's how everything works, right?
Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
You mean variants from other countries when we're in a lockdown.... explain that then
... People flying in.
Hope that helps.
Lockdown... no one in or out...
... Is that actually happening?
It was meant to.."
The UK government website says that that's not what's happening.
So what I'm gathering is that lockdown means no one in or out according to you, and because that's not happening (even though it was never the rule), lockdown doesn't work.
And the vaccines don't work because lockdown as defined by you isn't doing what you think it should, and you disregard all evidence.
Is that right? |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
Dudley |
"So lockdown finishes and cases rise and another new variant.... vaccines must be really worth having. Ready for a third lockdown?
Why OP would you suggest a vaccine which reduces your chances,and those you care about, from dying, from covid is not worth having?
Cos it's not proven to do anything. "
Explain the massive reduction in hospitalisations and deaths then.
Either you're trolling or you're just someone that has a completely negative outlook on everything and should probably go and live in an igloo in the middle of nowhere. |
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"So lockdown finishes and cases rise and another new variant.... vaccines must be really worth having. Ready for a third lockdown?
Why OP would you suggest a vaccine which reduces your chances,and those you care about, from dying, from covid is not worth having?
Cos it's not proven to do anything. "
You understand the scientific method OP? 
And you understand the processes of how the MHRA approves vaccines and medicines OP?
Perhaps you could detail your understanding, so that we can grasp how little, or more, you have some inkling about! This isn't the arena for a very in depth education format, starting from ground zero. You may be better elsewhere, if these things aren't your strengths.  |
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"So lockdown finishes and cases rise and another new variant.... vaccines must be really worth having. Ready for a third lockdown?
Why OP would you suggest a vaccine which reduces your chances,and those you care about, from dying, from covid is not worth having?
Cos it's not proven to do anything.
Explain the massive reduction in hospitalisations and deaths then.
Either you're trolling or you're just someone that has a completely negative outlook on everything and should probably go and live in an igloo in the middle of nowhere. "
And studies pending on reduction in transmission. And studies published on neutralising antibodies. And other things besides.
Nope, people magically fly in although forbidden (according to the OP not the government) or a fairy magics variants into the UK, therefore the vaccine (which is largely unrelated to travel) is worthless.
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"Cases were always going to rise as schools returned and restrictions are eased.
Crucially, hospitalisations are going down. That's the key. "
100% - Exactly that. There are some miserable doomsayers around aint there?! |
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"Cases were always going to rise as schools returned and restrictions are eased.
Crucially, hospitalisations are going down. That's the key.
100% - Exactly that. There are some miserable doomsayers around aint there?!"
We owe it to each other to keep spirits lifted, so twisting the reality to doom is not helping others. |
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By *aekaeWoman
over a year ago
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"So lockdown finishes and cases rise and another new variant.... vaccines must be really worth having. Ready for a third lockdown?"
I could give you an answer, but I doubt you'd read, acknowledge or understand it. Instead I'll ask a question of you.
The smallpox vaccine was invented in 1796 by English physician Edward Jenner.
The world has delivered literally billions of vaccines since there invention in 1796.
Since 1796 literally hundreds of diseases have been totally wiped out by vaccines.
We are at the very height of medical research, knowledge and understanding right now in 2021; we've literally never know so much about medicine as we do right now.
So why do you think vaccines aren't worth having?
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"So lockdown finishes and cases rise and another new variant.... vaccines must be really worth having. Ready for a third lockdown?
I could give you an answer, but I doubt you'd read, acknowledge or understand it. Instead I'll ask a question of you.
The smallpox vaccine was invented in 1796 by English physician Edward Jenner.
The world has delivered literally billions of vaccines since there invention in 1796.
Since 1796 literally hundreds of diseases have been totally wiped out by vaccines.
We are at the very height of medical research, knowledge and understanding right now in 2021; we've literally never know so much about medicine as we do right now.
So why do you think vaccines aren't worth having?
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Probably because someone on facebook told them.  |
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"So lockdown finishes and cases rise and another new variant.... vaccines must be really worth having. Ready for a third lockdown?
Why OP would you suggest a vaccine which reduces your chances,and those you care about, from dying, from covid is not worth having?
Cos it's not proven to do anything. "
Am sure that there will be an early learning or Jack and Jill book out soon to explain it to you. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"On this evenings briefing they stated that evidence now shows those who have received their first jab reduce their ability to transmit the virus by 30%."
Yes this is very promising news indeed.
I'm assuming that goes up with the second jab but I guess we won't know for a while yet. |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
Dudley |
"On this evenings briefing they stated that evidence now shows those who have received their first jab reduce their ability to transmit the virus by 30%.
Yes this is very promising news indeed.
I'm assuming that goes up with the second jab but I guess we won't know for a while yet. "
I don't see how people are still trying to make this negative, this has been a seriously huge achievement for the UK and I'm looking forward to getting some kind of normality back when the time is right. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"... variants are more likely to happen with more transmission. Vaccines reduce transmission. Our odds improve, and less people get sick and develop disabilities or die.
Or, you know, if it's less than 100% perfect and a guarantee of no Covid, world peace, and a bigger dick, it's obviously worthless, because that's how everything works, right?
Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
You mean variants from other countries when we're in a lockdown.... explain that then
How long have you got? Hope you're sitting comfortably....
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Or the not so long version. Our borders are still open |
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"So lockdown finishes and cases rise and another new variant.... vaccines must be really worth having. Ready for a third lockdown?
I could give you an answer, but I doubt you'd read, acknowledge or understand it. Instead I'll ask a question of you.
The smallpox vaccine was invented in 1796 by English physician Edward Jenner.
The world has delivered literally billions of vaccines since there invention in 1796.
Since 1796 literally hundreds of diseases have been totally wiped out by vaccines.
We are at the very height of medical research, knowledge and understanding right now in 2021; we've literally never know so much about medicine as we do right now.
So why do you think vaccines aren't worth having?
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Could you tell me a few of the hundreds of diseases that have been wiped out since 1796? |
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"So lockdown finishes and cases rise and another new variant.... vaccines must be really worth having. Ready for a third lockdown?Grow up
If you are wrong, will you say sorry?"
We can focus on the OP, as he disappeared after the corrections to the BS. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Could you tell me a few of the hundreds of diseases that have been wiped out since 1796?"
I mean, they gave you a starting point in their comment. Perhaps you should read a few reviews indexed on PubMed. |
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"... variants are more likely to happen with more transmission. Vaccines reduce transmission. Our odds improve, and less people get sick and develop disabilities or die.
Or, you know, if it's less than 100% perfect and a guarantee of no Covid, world peace, and a bigger dick, it's obviously worthless, because that's how everything works, right?
Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
You mean variants from other countries when we're in a lockdown.... explain that then
... People flying in.
Hope that helps.
Lockdown... no one in or out...
... Is that actually happening?
It was meant to.."
Still flights in and out today from Heathrow and besides viruses mutate to survive hence there will be variants |
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By *aekaeWoman
over a year ago
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"So lockdown finishes and cases rise and another new variant.... vaccines must be really worth having. Ready for a third lockdown?
I could give you an answer, but I doubt you'd read, acknowledge or understand it. Instead I'll ask a question of you.
The smallpox vaccine was invented in 1796 by English physician Edward Jenner.
The world has delivered literally billions of vaccines since there invention in 1796.
Since 1796 literally hundreds of diseases have been totally wiped out by vaccines.
We are at the very height of medical research, knowledge and understanding right now in 2021; we've literally never know so much about medicine as we do right now.
So why do you think vaccines aren't worth having?
Could you tell me a few of the hundreds of diseases that have been wiped out since 1796?"
You're serious?
Surely not.
Polio, Tetanus, flu, Hepatitis B, Tepatitis A, Rubella, HIB, Measles, Whooping Cough, Pneumococcal Disease, Rotavirus, Mumps, Smallpox.
To name but a few, all wiped out by vaccines.
Any other stupid questions you'd like answering? |
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over a year ago
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"So lockdown finishes and cases rise and another new variant.... vaccines must be really worth having. Ready for a third lockdown?
I could give you an answer, but I doubt you'd read, acknowledge or understand it. Instead I'll ask a question of you.
The smallpox vaccine was invented in 1796 by English physician Edward Jenner.
The world has delivered literally billions of vaccines since there invention in 1796.
Since 1796 literally hundreds of diseases have been totally wiped out by vaccines.
We are at the very height of medical research, knowledge and understanding right now in 2021; we've literally never know so much about medicine as we do right now.
So why do you think vaccines aren't worth having?
Could you tell me a few of the hundreds of diseases that have been wiped out since 1796?
You're serious?
Surely not.
Polio, Tetanus, flu, Hepatitis B, Tepatitis A, Rubella, HIB, Measles, Whooping Cough, Pneumococcal Disease, Rotavirus, Mumps, Smallpox.
To name but a few, all wiped out by vaccines.
Any other stupid questions you'd like answering?"
Sorry but flu, tetanus, measles, mumps, whopping cough have absolutely not been whiped out.
Infact none of the above have.
Yes the spread and infection rate have massively reduced but hardly wiped out are they. |
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By *aekaeWoman
over a year ago
Between a cock and a soft place |
"So lockdown finishes and cases rise and another new variant.... vaccines must be really worth having. Ready for a third lockdown?
I could give you an answer, but I doubt you'd read, acknowledge or understand it. Instead I'll ask a question of you.
The smallpox vaccine was invented in 1796 by English physician Edward Jenner.
The world has delivered literally billions of vaccines since there invention in 1796.
Since 1796 literally hundreds of diseases have been totally wiped out by vaccines.
We are at the very height of medical research, knowledge and understanding right now in 2021; we've literally never know so much about medicine as we do right now.
So why do you think vaccines aren't worth having?
Could you tell me a few of the hundreds of diseases that have been wiped out since 1796?
You're serious?
Surely not.
Polio, Tetanus, flu, Hepatitis B, Tepatitis A, Rubella, HIB, Measles, Whooping Cough, Pneumococcal Disease, Rotavirus, Mumps, Smallpox.
To name but a few, all wiped out by vaccines.
Any other stupid questions you'd like answering?
Sorry but flu, tetanus, measles, mumps, whopping cough have absolutely not been whiped out.
Infact none of the above have.
Yes the spread and infection rate have massively reduced but hardly wiped out are they. "
You get my point though? |
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over a year ago
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"So lockdown finishes and cases rise and another new variant.... vaccines must be really worth having. Ready for a third lockdown?
I could give you an answer, but I doubt you'd read, acknowledge or understand it. Instead I'll ask a question of you.
The smallpox vaccine was invented in 1796 by English physician Edward Jenner.
The world has delivered literally billions of vaccines since there invention in 1796.
Since 1796 literally hundreds of diseases have been totally wiped out by vaccines.
We are at the very height of medical research, knowledge and understanding right now in 2021; we've literally never know so much about medicine as we do right now.
So why do you think vaccines aren't worth having?
Could you tell me a few of the hundreds of diseases that have been wiped out since 1796?
You're serious?
Surely not.
Polio, Tetanus, flu, Hepatitis B, Tepatitis A, Rubella, HIB, Measles, Whooping Cough, Pneumococcal Disease, Rotavirus, Mumps, Smallpox.
To name but a few, all wiped out by vaccines.
Any other stupid questions you'd like answering?
Sorry but flu, tetanus, measles, mumps, whopping cough have absolutely not been whiped out.
Infact none of the above have.
Yes the spread and infection rate have massively reduced but hardly wiped out are they.
You get my point though? "
Not really no because your statement was false.
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By *aekaeWoman
over a year ago
Between a cock and a soft place |
"So lockdown finishes and cases rise and another new variant.... vaccines must be really worth having. Ready for a third lockdown?
I could give you an answer, but I doubt you'd read, acknowledge or understand it. Instead I'll ask a question of you.
The smallpox vaccine was invented in 1796 by English physician Edward Jenner.
The world has delivered literally billions of vaccines since there invention in 1796.
Since 1796 literally hundreds of diseases have been totally wiped out by vaccines.
We are at the very height of medical research, knowledge and understanding right now in 2021; we've literally never know so much about medicine as we do right now.
So why do you think vaccines aren't worth having?
Could you tell me a few of the hundreds of diseases that have been wiped out since 1796?
You're serious?
Surely not.
Polio, Tetanus, flu, Hepatitis B, Tepatitis A, Rubella, HIB, Measles, Whooping Cough, Pneumococcal Disease, Rotavirus, Mumps, Smallpox.
To name but a few, all wiped out by vaccines.
Any other stupid questions you'd like answering?
Sorry but flu, tetanus, measles, mumps, whopping cough have absolutely not been whiped out.
Infact none of the above have.
Yes the spread and infection rate have massively reduced but hardly wiped out are they.
You get my point though?
Not really no because your statement was false.
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I'll rephrase for the sake of making the point that vaccines serve a valid purpose vs the idiot who thinks they do nothing and are pointless.
"Things we've virtually forgotten about because of vaccines".
Happier now?
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over a year ago
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"So lockdown finishes and cases rise and another new variant.... vaccines must be really worth having. Ready for a third lockdown?
I could give you an answer, but I doubt you'd read, acknowledge or understand it. Instead I'll ask a question of you.
The smallpox vaccine was invented in 1796 by English physician Edward Jenner.
The world has delivered literally billions of vaccines since there invention in 1796.
Since 1796 literally hundreds of diseases have been totally wiped out by vaccines.
We are at the very height of medical research, knowledge and understanding right now in 2021; we've literally never know so much about medicine as we do right now.
So why do you think vaccines aren't worth having?
Could you tell me a few of the hundreds of diseases that have been wiped out since 1796?
You're serious?
Surely not.
Polio, Tetanus, flu, Hepatitis B, Tepatitis A, Rubella, HIB, Measles, Whooping Cough, Pneumococcal Disease, Rotavirus, Mumps, Smallpox.
To name but a few, all wiped out by vaccines.
Any other stupid questions you'd like answering?
Sorry but flu, tetanus, measles, mumps, whopping cough have absolutely not been whiped out.
Infact none of the above have.
Yes the spread and infection rate have massively reduced but hardly wiped out are they.
You get my point though?
Not really no because your statement was false.
I'll rephrase for the sake of making the point that vaccines serve a valid purpose vs the idiot who thinks they do nothing and are pointless.
"Things we've virtually forgotten about because of vaccines".
Happier now?
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No I am not happier because you have put a false statement out there then called someone else an idiot for doing the same thing.
Its perfectly possible to get a point across without being rude. |
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"Cases were always going to rise as schools returned and restrictions are eased.
Crucially, hospitalisations are going down. That's the key. Its all too much for some to understand. "
Agreed it really should not be that difficult for everyone to understand surely ???  |
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over a year ago
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"So lockdown finishes and cases rise and another new variant.... vaccines must be really worth having. Ready for a third lockdown?"
Quite the optimist aren’t you. Yes vaccines are worth having - they prime our immune system to the type of virus (bearing in mind our bodies have never encountered it before and that’s why it’s so deadly). Rising cases won’t matter if vaccines have significantly reduced death and serious illness. Even knew variants won’t be able to completely escape immunity and although you might get mildly ill they will not lead to significant death rates any more |
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"So lockdown finishes and cases rise and another new variant.... vaccines must be really worth having. Ready for a third lockdown?
Quite the optimist aren’t you. Yes vaccines are worth having - they prime our immune system to the type of virus (bearing in mind our bodies have never encountered it before and that’s why it’s so deadly). Rising cases won’t matter if vaccines have significantly reduced death and serious illness. Even knew variants won’t be able to completely escape immunity and although you might get mildly ill they will not lead to significant death rates any more"
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"Cases were always going to rise as schools returned and restrictions are eased.
Crucially, hospitalisations are going down. That's the key. Its all too much for some to understand.
Agreed it really should not be that difficult for everyone to understand surely ??? "
Exactly and why the government have between a 3 and 5 week between each proposed stage in the lifting of lockdown because we know infections will go up and know that 2 to 4 weeks later we see hospital admissions go up so we make the vaccine is doing its thing and people aren't getting really ill. |
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"Cases were always going to rise as schools returned and restrictions are eased.
Crucially, hospitalisations are going down. That's the key. Its all too much for some to understand.
Agreed it really should not be that difficult for everyone to understand surely ??? Exactly and why the government have between a 3 and 5 week between each proposed stage in the lifting of lockdown because we know infections will go up and know that 2 to 4 weeks later we see hospital admissions go up so we make the vaccine is doing its thing and people aren't getting really ill."
A good page to check is this government one
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare |
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"So lockdown finishes and cases rise and another new variant.... vaccines must be really worth having. Ready for a third lockdown?
Why OP would you suggest a vaccine which reduces your chances,and those you care about, from dying, from covid is not worth having? "
Because they are stupid!! Only explanation |
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