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"I'm going to seek medical advice on getting the second as I've had a bad reaction to the first. I've basically had 3 weeks of headaches, muscle aches, fatigue, decreased appetite and stomach cramps. Although there is apparently less side effects with the second, being a single Mum, I can't risk being poorly like that again. " Exactly the same. I really suffered from the first the first two weeks after were really bad the third a little better but now on week 5 and wouldn't say I'm 10p percent over it yet. Loads saying the second one doesn't give as much side effects...but same as you say its hard when you have responsibilities! X | |||
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"Still one of the safest vaccines the world has seen and compared to surgery, flying and other medications, its a no brainer. Strange how the 2 countries on the planet that can develop some of the nastiest biological and chemical weapons use the same vaccine technology. Moderna and Michigan says it all, I had the PB jab, and wish I had the AZ one, not convinced the PB vaccine is going to be that good. " The Pfizer-BioNTech is a very good and efficacious vaccine, it's showing very high efficacy over the periods studied and still good efficacy against the newer variants. | |||
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"So europe and USA seem to pulling back on the OX AZ jab. Do you feel safe getting the first or 2nd jab (respectively)? What on earth went wrong?" Perfectly happy having 2nd jab tomorrow. The stats have it at 1 in a million chance of getting blood clots. Probably more to die from them.. stop this endless scare mongering. | |||
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"So europe and USA seem to pulling back on the OX AZ jab. Do you feel safe getting the first or 2nd jab (respectively)? What on earth went wrong?" You seem to be over reacting, will have our second az jab with no qualms.. What do you think has gone 'wrong'? | |||
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 ill be taking my second jab without the slightest concern.
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"There are incredibly low risks of such associations or possible side effects and much lower fatal effects. These events happen without the vaccine and they may not be caused by it. We've got little to obsess over except the virus, so it becomes a big thing. It's not all 'gone wrong', we're just hyper conscious, following media attention "  | |||
"Odd that Europe didn't negotiate sufficient supply of the az jab quickly enough, spat their dummy when az couldn't meet their demands (and the promises they'd made their populations) considered banning its export, then all of a sudden "ahh, well, the reason we haven't met our vaccination targets is that, erm, checks notes, the az vaccination is potentially unsafe. Yes, that's it, unsafe..." give me a break ill be taking my second jab without the slightest concern.
"There does seem to be an element of truth in this, and now Germany are looking at the Sputnik vaccine.. | |||
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"200 people a year die from taking paracetamol, there are risks with whatever we put in our bodies, I'd quite happily have the Az vaccine " Same | |||
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"I'm amazed some people are brave enough to leave their houses, 19 people out of 30 million plus who have had the AZ vaccine have died, the risk is minuscule compared to most things. I had the AZ three weeks ago and the second coming in late May,not worried in the least Grow up folks, " People are very bad at calculating risk. Leaving the house is just leaving the house. No fanfare. There's been a lot of attention around the side effects. So it's like, the person shouting loudest wins. Leaving the house = no shouting, safe. Vaccine = scary news coverage, dangerous. | |||
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"Just a question If az has been given to millions of people and a few cases of side effects found Why would governments recommend giving different vaccines that haven’t been given to millions as a safer option?? There could be much more serious side effects become a reality with these new vaccines once given to the populations ????" All recommended vaccines in Europe have gone through clinical trials. Clinical trials will pick up the vast majority of side effects. The clotting is one that was too rare to pick up. The vaccines approved in Europe are at least as safe as we thought the Oxford vaccine to be when the Oxford trials were approved. | |||
"Just a question If az has been given to millions of people and a few cases of side effects found Why would governments recommend giving different vaccines that haven’t been given to millions as a safer option?? There could be much more serious side effects become a reality with these new vaccines once given to the populations ???? All recommended vaccines in Europe have gone through clinical trials. Clinical trials will pick up the vast majority of side effects. The clotting is one that was too rare to pick up. The vaccines approved in Europe are at least as safe as we thought the Oxford vaccine to be when the Oxford trials were approved." That’s my point There could be much more serious side effects that could pop up I’ve had az Az tested on millions these new ones arnt they’ve been lab tested ect but not put out to millions so how can somebody seriously say these are safer Doesn’t make sense | |||
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"Apparently the risk of clots from the pill is higher, than that of the AZ" I agree minimal risk I think I’d rather the devil you know than an unknown | |||
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"Just a question If az has been given to millions of people and a few cases of side effects found Why would governments recommend giving different vaccines that haven’t been given to millions as a safer option?? There could be much more serious side effects become a reality with these new vaccines once given to the populations ???? All recommended vaccines in Europe have gone through clinical trials. Clinical trials will pick up the vast majority of side effects. The clotting is one that was too rare to pick up. The vaccines approved in Europe are at least as safe as we thought the Oxford vaccine to be when the Oxford trials were approved. That’s my point There could be much more serious side effects that could pop up I’ve had az Az tested on millions these new ones arnt they’ve been lab tested ect but not put out to millions so how can somebody seriously say these are safer Doesn’t make sense " When the MHRA approved the Oxford vaccine, it was to a certain benchmark of safety. All the ones that the MHRA approve will be to the same level We find out more as we jab more people - but anything that we find out about will be rare. Trust the MHRA. | |||
"I'm going to seek medical advice on getting the second as I've had a bad reaction to the first. I've basically had 3 weeks of headaches, muscle aches, fatigue, decreased appetite and stomach cramps. Although there is apparently less side effects with the second, being a single Mum, I can't risk being poorly like that again. " Oh my god I’m glad I’m not the only one. I was proper poorly and my arm has only just eased. I have started to feel quite nervous about the 2nd. Unfortunately I didn’t have the decreased appetite but aches, headache, just being exhausted. V x | |||
"Apparently the risk of clots from the pill is higher, than that of the AZ" Pill....risk of blood clots: 5-12 in 10,000 AZ risk: 3 in 1,000,000. Massively safer to get the jab than to be on the pill. Says a lot about attitudes to women's health.  | |||
"I'm going to seek medical advice on getting the second as I've had a bad reaction to the first. I've basically had 3 weeks of headaches, muscle aches, fatigue, decreased appetite and stomach cramps. Although there is apparently less side effects with the second, being a single Mum, I can't risk being poorly like that again. Oh my god I’m glad I’m not the only one. I was proper poorly and my arm has only just eased. I have started to feel quite nervous about the 2nd. Unfortunately I didn’t have the decreased appetite but aches, headache, just being exhausted. V x " I think it's good to remind yourself that it's ok to ask the doctor about these things. We want the jabs out and herd immunity reached - but you have a good reason to ask. | |||
" Massively safer to get the jab than to be on the pill. Says a lot about attitudes to women's health. "I'm sorry but what does it say exactly? | |||
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"Just a question If az has been given to millions of people and a few cases of side effects found Why would governments recommend giving different vaccines that haven’t been given to millions as a safer option?? There could be much more serious side effects become a reality with these new vaccines once given to the populations ???? All recommended vaccines in Europe have gone through clinical trials. Clinical trials will pick up the vast majority of side effects. The clotting is one that was too rare to pick up. The vaccines approved in Europe are at least as safe as we thought the Oxford vaccine to be when the Oxford trials were approved. That’s my point There could be much more serious side effects that could pop up I’ve had az Az tested on millions these new ones arnt they’ve been lab tested ect but not put out to millions so how can somebody seriously say these are safer Doesn’t make sense When the MHRA approved the Oxford vaccine, it was to a certain benchmark of safety. All the ones that the MHRA approve will be to the same level We find out more as we jab more people - but anything that we find out about will be rare. Trust the MHRA." I do wonder about the ability for some noisy people to think a bit. So we have a new virus ripping it's way around the world and a vaccine or some form of medication that helps reduce its spread and danger would seem to be a good thing. Surprisingly as it's a new infection, the vaccine and its impact on the infection will be new. And it's tested to the best that it can be tested in the circumstances. And yet some folk come out with... "but it's not been volume tested on millions and millions of people yet... So its not safe" I wonder how a new vaccine for a new infection is supposed to get from being new.... To being tested on millions and millions of people? And how it's supposed to establish long term patterns? | |||
" I do wonder about the ability for some noisy people to think a bit. So we have a new virus ripping it's way around the world and a vaccine or some form of medication that helps reduce its spread and danger would seem to be a good thing. Surprisingly as it's a new infection, the vaccine and its impact on the infection will be new. And it's tested to the best that it can be tested in the circumstances. And yet some folk come out with... "but it's not been volume tested on millions and millions of people yet... So its not safe" I wonder how a new vaccine for a new infection is supposed to get from being new.... To being tested on millions and millions of people? And how it's supposed to establish long term patterns? " It's scary, and I think in some ways the information overload makes it worse. I think most people just don't consider it. They just carry on with their lives. But everything has risk. I'm sitting in my chair at home. There's a (hopefully) tiny risk my building might collapse or my chair might break. I don't think about it. We have bodies to assess the risk of furniture design and building structure. I entrust my life, effectively, to those. We all entrust our lives to various safety authorities - clean water, food, buildings, furniture, cars, medicines. This is just another one of these. They've done the numbers, through human trials, to calculate the common to moderately rare risks. All approved vaccines, we know that. They will be overwhelmingly safe in the vast majority of people. | |||
"Just a question If az has been given to millions of people and a few cases of side effects found Why would governments recommend giving different vaccines that haven’t been given to millions as a safer option?? There could be much more serious side effects become a reality with these new vaccines once given to the populations ???? All recommended vaccines in Europe have gone through clinical trials. Clinical trials will pick up the vast majority of side effects. The clotting is one that was too rare to pick up. The vaccines approved in Europe are at least as safe as we thought the Oxford vaccine to be when the Oxford trials were approved. That’s my point There could be much more serious side effects that could pop up I’ve had az Az tested on millions these new ones arnt they’ve been lab tested ect but not put out to millions so how can somebody seriously say these are safer Doesn’t make sense When the MHRA approved the Oxford vaccine, it was to a certain benchmark of safety. All the ones that the MHRA approve will be to the same level We find out more as we jab more people - but anything that we find out about will be rare. Trust the MHRA. I do wonder about the ability for some noisy people to think a bit. So we have a new virus ripping it's way around the world and a vaccine or some form of medication that helps reduce its spread and danger would seem to be a good thing. Surprisingly as it's a new infection, the vaccine and its impact on the infection will be new. And it's tested to the best that it can be tested in the circumstances. And yet some folk come out with... "but it's not been volume tested on millions and millions of people yet... So its not safe" I wonder how a new vaccine for a new infection is supposed to get from being new.... To being tested on millions and millions of people? And how it's supposed to establish long term patterns? " I’m not against the new vaccines I’m simply saying how can anyone say take this new one as it’s safer Simply not possible Better the devil u know | |||
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" I’m not against the new vaccines I’m simply saying how can anyone say take this new one as it’s safer Simply not possible Better the devil u know" We don't know, but we have alternatives which have been around as long as the Oxford one (Pfizer and Moderna). And in some cases - particularly under 30s - the risk of the Oxford side effect may outweigh the benefit of preventing ICU admission or death. These are complicated questions, but we keep looking to do better, and all approved vaccines have a very high benchmark for safety. | |||
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" Massively safer to get the jab than to be on the pill. Says a lot about attitudes to women's health.
I'm sorry but what does it say exactly?
"That it's ok to commonly prescribe a drug to women that carries with it huge risks to their health. | |||
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"Stick it in me. (The 2nd jab that is) " Give it to me baby, uh huh, uh huh | |||
" Massively safer to get the jab than to be on the pill. Says a lot about attitudes to women's health.
I'm sorry but what does it say exactly?
That it's ok to commonly prescribe a drug to women that carries with it huge risks to their health. "And that it's societally normal, even encouraged to take them | |||
" Massively safer to get the jab than to be on the pill. Says a lot about attitudes to women's health.
I'm sorry but what does it say exactly?
That it's ok to commonly prescribe a drug to women that carries with it huge risks to their health.
And that it's societally normal, even encouraged to take them "At the risk of being labelled 'woke', it was because of the issues known then that I had the snip some 28 years ago.. Just didn't seem fair that one of us was having chemicals in them when there was an alternative.. | |||
"So europe and USA seem to pulling back on the OX AZ jab. Do you feel safe getting the first or 2nd jab (respectively)? What on earth went wrong?" Happy to have mine,the pill is more dangerous loads of ladies and teenage girls taking that and not bothered. It is the EU poison I am beginning to think we are at war with them | |||
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" Massively safer to get the jab than to be on the pill. Says a lot about attitudes to women's health.
I'm sorry but what does it say exactly?
That it's ok to commonly prescribe a drug to women that carries with it huge risks to their health.
And that it's societally normal, even encouraged to take them
At the risk of being labelled 'woke', it was because of the issues known then that I had the snip some 28 years ago..
Just didn't seem fair that one of us was having chemicals in them when there was an alternative.."Oh how terribly modern of you 
My brother has been refused the snip because he's only 32. He has two children and does not want more....  | |||
" Massively safer to get the jab than to be on the pill. Says a lot about attitudes to women's health.
I'm sorry but what does it say exactly?
That it's ok to commonly prescribe a drug to women that carries with it huge risks to their health.
And that it's societally normal, even encouraged to take them
At the risk of being labelled 'woke', it was because of the issues known then that I had the snip some 28 years ago..
Just didn't seem fair that one of us was having chemicals in them when there was an alternative..
Oh how terribly modern of you
My brother has been refused the snip because he's only 32. He has two children and does not want more.... "I've been refused permanent birth control because I might change my miiiind | |||
"Perfectly happy to get my second jab. There’s other commonly accepted treatments with a higher, or similar, risk to health (including blood clots) that we don’t question. The question to answer is what is better for you, not to have it, or accept the risk and get better protection against what could kill you, or affect your health for life. This isn’t just about the COVID-19 vaccination, it’s about every vaccine that’s out there. MMR, Polio BGC, they’re all there to protect us. The treatment with the largest number of side effects - the pill. All accepted because of the protection it provides, or is perceived to provide. All I am saying is, be careful what you wish for." | |||
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" Massively safer to get the jab than to be on the pill. Says a lot about attitudes to women's health.
I'm sorry but what does it say exactly?
That it's ok to commonly prescribe a drug to women that carries with it huge risks to their health. "Hahaha exactly funny how now side effects are a thing for men too there are a a big hoo hah | |||
"So europe and USA seem to pulling back on the OX AZ jab. Do you feel safe getting the first or 2nd jab (respectively)? What on earth went wrong?" Nothing went wrong. It’s politics. There are billions of pounds to be made from removing AstraZeneca from the race. Not to mention it provides Europe with a convenient excuse for their slow rollout. | |||
"So europe and USA seem to pulling back on the OX AZ jab. Do you feel safe getting the first or 2nd jab (respectively)? What on earth went wrong? Nothing went wrong. It’s politics. There are billions of pounds to be made from removing AstraZeneca from the race. Not to mention it provides Europe with a convenient excuse for their slow rollout." Nail on the head. Europe cannot allow any benifit from brexit . Its in its own interest. | |||
" Massively safer to get the jab than to be on the pill. Says a lot about attitudes to women's health.
I'm sorry but what does it say exactly?
That it's ok to commonly prescribe a drug to women that carries with it huge risks to their health.
Hahaha exactly funny how now side effects are a thing for men too there are a a big hoo hah "I was under the impression that it has been mainly females under 30 who have suffered blood clots. | |||
" That it's ok to commonly prescribe a drug to women that carries with it huge risks to their health. " But that negative statement 1. Assumes the drug is somehow intentionally harmful to women or at the very least can not be made safer (unlikely) 2. There's no alternative and there is, most women don't have to be on the pill, they choose to. I found it on add statement if I'm honest. I cannot imagine there are many health professionals that think 'ah what the heck, it's only a woman, let's prescribe some unsafe drugs' when you ask. | |||
"I'm amazed some people are brave enough to leave their houses, 19 people out of 30 million plus who have had the AZ vaccine have died, the risk is minuscule compared to most things. I had the AZ three weeks ago and the second coming in late May,not worried in the least Grow up folks, " I think this is very patronising, people are allowed to be wary of anything they put into their own bodies no matter what the odds are. It doesn't mean you are scared of life itself | |||
" Massively safer to get the jab than to be on the pill. Says a lot about attitudes to women's health.
I'm sorry but what does it say exactly?
That it's ok to commonly prescribe a drug to women that carries with it huge risks to their health.
Hahaha exactly funny how now side effects are a thing for men too there are a a big hoo hah
I was under the impression that it has been mainly females under 30 who have suffered blood clots."Three under 30's have died so it seems out of 79 cases | |||
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" That it's ok to commonly prescribe a drug to women that carries with it huge risks to their health. But that negative statement 1. Assumes the drug is somehow intentionally harmful to women or at the very least can not be made safer (unlikely) 2. There's no alternative and there is, most women don't have to be on the pill, they choose to. I found it on add statement if I'm honest. I cannot imagine there are many health professionals that think 'ah what the heck, it's only a woman, let's prescribe some unsafe drugs' when you ask." The sad fact is, health issues that affect females only are under investigated. | |||
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" That it's ok to commonly prescribe a drug to women that carries with it huge risks to their health. But that negative statement 1. Assumes the drug is somehow intentionally harmful to women or at the very least can not be made safer (unlikely) 2. There's no alternative and there is, most women don't have to be on the pill, they choose to. I found it on add statement if I'm honest. I cannot imagine there are many health professionals that think 'ah what the heck, it's only a woman, let's prescribe some unsafe drugs' when you ask." The point we're trying to make is that medical professionals deem the contraceptive pill to be an appropriate medical intervention for the vast majority of women of all ages, as young as 14 maybe, sometimes to control menstruation. If they're happy to recommend a medication that carries a massively higher risk of blood clots than the Oxford-AZ vaccine, then I think that's very significant. | |||
" That it's ok to commonly prescribe a drug to women that carries with it huge risks to their health. But that negative statement 1. Assumes the drug is somehow intentionally harmful to women or at the very least can not be made safer (unlikely) 2. There's no alternative and there is, most women don't have to be on the pill, they choose to. I found it on add statement if I'm honest. I cannot imagine there are many health professionals that think 'ah what the heck, it's only a woman, let's prescribe some unsafe drugs' when you ask. The point we're trying to make is that medical professionals deem the contraceptive pill to be an appropriate medical intervention for the vast majority of women of all ages, as young as 14 maybe, sometimes to control menstruation. If they're happy to recommend a medication that carries a massively higher risk of blood clots than the Oxford-AZ vaccine, then I think that's very significant." I was briefly on the pill (for gynae not birth control reasons) when I was twelve. | |||
" That it's ok to commonly prescribe a drug to women that carries with it huge risks to their health. But that negative statement 1. Assumes the drug is somehow intentionally harmful to women or at the very least can not be made safer (unlikely) 2. There's no alternative and there is, most women don't have to be on the pill, they choose to. I found it on add statement if I'm honest. I cannot imagine there are many health professionals that think 'ah what the heck, it's only a woman, let's prescribe some unsafe drugs' when you ask. The sad fact is, health issues that affect females only are under investigated. " It's a sad but true fact. | |||
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"Ok no discussing what's going on in your mailboxes please, just block or report if needed" Again, stop mentioning what's going on in your mailbox, report the person if you think it needs reporting | |||
"Odd that Europe didn't negotiate sufficient supply of the az jab quickly enough, spat their dummy when az couldn't meet their demands (and the promises they'd made their populations) considered banning its export, then all of a sudden "ahh, well, the reason we haven't met our vaccination targets is that, erm, checks notes, the az vaccination is potentially unsafe. Yes, that's it, unsafe..." give me a break ill be taking my second jab without the slightest concern.
"Also it should be more widely reported that over 6000 lives have already been saved by vaccination. | |||
"had the first jab no probs and perfectly happy to get 2nd next week all drugs have possible side effects" | |||
"I'm going to seek medical advice on getting the second as I've had a bad reaction to the first. I've basically had 3 weeks of headaches, muscle aches, fatigue, decreased appetite and stomach cramps. Although there is apparently less side effects with the second, being a single Mum, I can't risk being poorly like that again. " Presumably you can't risk being ill with Covid either. I had a reaction to my first jab but just got on with life. Hundreds of thousands of people in this country with Covid have not had that luxury. Get the jab everyone and we'll be back to normality sooner | |||
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"All the "vaccines" are still in the trial period. No surprise there are being such dangerous reactions. Under a foi act public health Scotland admitted there had been over 2200 deaths (up to 26 February ) within 28 days of receiving the experimental injection. " Pre pandemic data: "There were 12,253 births and 13,652 deaths registered in Scotland between 1 April and 30 June 2019, according to provisional figures released today by National Records of Scotland." That's 13,652 deaths in Scotland in April, May and June 2019, equating to 4,550 deaths per month. It's blindly obvious that in any given month, people will die, including those who had a vaccine. There's no evidence that the vaccine CAUSED the deaths of the people you mentioned. | |||
" Massively safer to get the jab than to be on the pill. Says a lot about attitudes to women's health.
I'm sorry but what does it say exactly?
That it's ok to commonly prescribe a drug to women that carries with it huge risks to their health.
And that it's societally normal, even encouraged to take them
At the risk of being labelled 'woke', it was because of the issues known then that I had the snip some 28 years ago..
Just didn't seem fair that one of us was having chemicals in them when there was an alternative..
Oh how terribly modern of you
My brother has been refused the snip because he's only 32. He has two children and does not want more.... "Seems strange, I was 31.. | |||
"All the "vaccines" are still in the trial period. No surprise there are being such dangerous reactions. Under a foi act public health Scotland admitted there had been over 2200 deaths (up to 26 February ) within 28 days of receiving the experimental injection. " We are now in april, But keep going  | |||
"Apparently the risk of clots from the pill is higher, than that of the AZ" No apparently. Massively so. Chance of blood clot from vaccine - 0.0004% Chance of blood clot from the pill - 1% And doctors are happy to hand the pill out like smarties. | |||
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"All the "vaccines" are still in the trial period. No surprise there are being such dangerous reactions. Under a foi act public health Scotland admitted there had been over 2200 deaths (up to 26 February ) within 28 days of receiving the experimental injection. We are now in april, But keep going "Exactly we are in April, therefore the death toll will be much higher. | |||
"All the "vaccines" are still in the trial period. No surprise there are being such dangerous reactions. Under a foi act public health Scotland admitted there had been over 2200 deaths (up to 26 February ) within 28 days of receiving the experimental injection. Pre pandemic data: "There were 12,253 births and 13,652 deaths registered in Scotland between 1 April and 30 June 2019, according to provisional figures released today by National Records of Scotland." That's 13,652 deaths in Scotland in April, May and June 2019, equating to 4,550 deaths per month. It's blindly obvious that in any given month, people will die, including those who had a vaccine. There's no evidence that the vaccine CAUSED the deaths of the people you mentioned." Simply using the same death count of covid , 28 days after a positive result. It was 3 months remember. | |||
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"I'm amazed some people are brave enough to leave their houses, 19 people out of 30 million plus who have had the AZ vaccine have died, the risk is minuscule compared to most things. I had the AZ three weeks ago and the second coming in late May,not worried in the least Grow up folks, People are very bad at calculating risk. Leaving the house is just leaving the house. No fanfare. There's been a lot of attention around the side effects. So it's like, the person shouting loudest wins. Leaving the house = no shouting, safe. Vaccine = scary news coverage, dangerous." i partly understand this, but they don’t actually need to calculate the risk, its done for them 19 of 30 million at the moment | |||
"Just a question If az has been given to millions of people and a few cases of side effects found Why would governments recommend giving different vaccines that haven’t been given to millions as a safer option?? There could be much more serious side effects become a reality with these new vaccines once given to the populations ???? All recommended vaccines in Europe have gone through clinical trials. Clinical trials will pick up the vast majority of side effects. The clotting is one that was too rare to pick up. The vaccines approved in Europe are at least as safe as we thought the Oxford vaccine to be when the Oxford trials were approved. That’s my point There could be much more serious side effects that could pop up I’ve had az Az tested on millions these new ones arnt they’ve been lab tested ect but not put out to millions so how can somebody seriously say these are safer Doesn’t make sense When the MHRA approved the Oxford vaccine, it was to a certain benchmark of safety. All the ones that the MHRA approve will be to the same level We find out more as we jab more people - but anything that we find out about will be rare. Trust the MHRA. I do wonder about the ability for some noisy people to think a bit. So we have a new virus ripping it's way around the world and a vaccine or some form of medication that helps reduce its spread and danger would seem to be a good thing. Surprisingly as it's a new infection, the vaccine and its impact on the infection will be new. And it's tested to the best that it can be tested in the circumstances. And yet some folk come out with... "but it's not been volume tested on millions and millions of people yet... So its not safe" I wonder how a new vaccine for a new infection is supposed to get from being new.... To being tested on millions and millions of people? And how it's supposed to establish long term patterns? " i didn’t read it like that, i just read it as we have used AZ on so many people that even with finding out about the rare side effects after lab tests we have much more data on it than the other vaccines, we could potentially start to see other rare issues with the other vaccines when they get scaled up to similar numbers so is it better the devil you already know was my interpretation of what he said anyway | |||
"Just a question If az has been given to millions of people and a few cases of side effects found Why would governments recommend giving different vaccines that haven’t been given to millions as a safer option?? There could be much more serious side effects become a reality with these new vaccines once given to the populations ???? All recommended vaccines in Europe have gone through clinical trials. Clinical trials will pick up the vast majority of side effects. The clotting is one that was too rare to pick up. The vaccines approved in Europe are at least as safe as we thought the Oxford vaccine to be when the Oxford trials were approved. That’s my point There could be much more serious side effects that could pop up I’ve had az Az tested on millions these new ones arnt they’ve been lab tested ect but not put out to millions so how can somebody seriously say these are safer Doesn’t make sense When the MHRA approved the Oxford vaccine, it was to a certain benchmark of safety. All the ones that the MHRA approve will be to the same level We find out more as we jab more people - but anything that we find out about will be rare. Trust the MHRA. I do wonder about the ability for some noisy people to think a bit. So we have a new virus ripping it's way around the world and a vaccine or some form of medication that helps reduce its spread and danger would seem to be a good thing. Surprisingly as it's a new infection, the vaccine and its impact on the infection will be new. And it's tested to the best that it can be tested in the circumstances. And yet some folk come out with... "but it's not been volume tested on millions and millions of people yet... So its not safe" I wonder how a new vaccine for a new infection is supposed to get from being new.... To being tested on millions and millions of people? And how it's supposed to establish long term patterns? I’m not against the new vaccines I’m simply saying how can anyone say take this new one as it’s safer Simply not possible Better the devil u know" oh i should have read further before posting  | |||
" Massively safer to get the jab than to be on the pill. Says a lot about attitudes to women's health.
I'm sorry but what does it say exactly?
That it's ok to commonly prescribe a drug to women that carries with it huge risks to their health.
And that it's societally normal, even encouraged to take them "and they even prescribe it not for specifically for contraceptive use - bit of acne oh here - have the pill, periods heavy -here have the pill , still spotting with the other hormonal contraception we gave you - just chuck the pill in there in top of it | |||
"So europe and USA seem to pulling back on the OX AZ jab. Do you feel safe getting the first or 2nd jab (respectively)? What on earth went wrong?" Totally and totally, it’s just all over reaction. | |||
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"I'm amazed some people are brave enough to leave their houses, 19 people out of 30 million plus who have had the AZ vaccine have died, the risk is minuscule compared to most things. I had the AZ three weeks ago and the second coming in late May,not worried in the least Grow up folks, People are very bad at calculating risk. Leaving the house is just leaving the house. No fanfare. There's been a lot of attention around the side effects. So it's like, the person shouting loudest wins. Leaving the house = no shouting, safe. Vaccine = scary news coverage, dangerous. i partly understand this, but they don’t actually need to calculate the risk, its done for them 19 of 30 million at the moment " No. But the fanfare of the vaccine risk seems a lot bigger than the much bigger risks we take for granted. | |||
"All the "vaccines" are still in the trial period. No surprise there are being such dangerous reactions. Under a foi act public health Scotland admitted there had been over 2200 deaths (up to 26 February ) within 28 days of receiving the experimental injection. Pre pandemic data: "There were 12,253 births and 13,652 deaths registered in Scotland between 1 April and 30 June 2019, according to provisional figures released today by National Records of Scotland." That's 13,652 deaths in Scotland in April, May and June 2019, equating to 4,550 deaths per month. It's blindly obvious that in any given month, people will die, including those who had a vaccine. There's no evidence that the vaccine CAUSED the deaths of the people you mentioned. Simply using the same death count of covid , 28 days after a positive result. It was 3 months remember. " Because the deaths and Covid were causally linked! Hardly anyone has died due a direct effect of having vaccine... | |||
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"Mods - someone is lurking on this thread, sending unpleasant messages to people who have commented. It's been reported, but it really does need to stop." I am not sure how many times I need to say it but I will repeat it again "Ok no discussing what's going on in your mailboxes please, just block or report if needed" The reason for this is, mods on the forum cannot deal with reports and 2 you shouldn't be discussing this on the forum Please stop | |||
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"I'll be getting the astra on 27th. I am worried about side effects, especially coz I have a brain vessel defect I'm worried about a clot. " Speak to your doctor about your specific pre-existing conditions and they can advise and find out more information for you. Please don't feel you have to just turn up on the day, you can take advice ahead of time. | |||
"I'll be getting the astra on 27th. I am worried about side effects, especially coz I have a brain vessel defect I'm worried about a clot. Speak to your doctor about your specific pre-existing conditions and they can advise and find out more information for you. Please don't feel you have to just turn up on the day, you can take advice ahead of time." I might do that then, though I imagine they'll just say the risk is low. | |||
"I'll be getting the astra on 27th. I am worried about side effects, especially coz I have a brain vessel defect I'm worried about a clot. Speak to your doctor about your specific pre-existing conditions and they can advise and find out more information for you. Please don't feel you have to just turn up on the day, you can take advice ahead of time. I might do that then, though I imagine they'll just say the risk is low. " If there is any kind of patient advocate group for the condition you have (eg the equivalent of Diabetes UK or Asthma UK etc), you might also find more tailored information from somewhere like that. Doctors are aware patients may have concerns about the vaccines and I think are keen to offer sensible advice. | |||
"I'll be getting the astra on 27th. I am worried about side effects, especially coz I have a brain vessel defect I'm worried about a clot. Speak to your doctor about your specific pre-existing conditions and they can advise and find out more information for you. Please don't feel you have to just turn up on the day, you can take advice ahead of time. I might do that then, though I imagine they'll just say the risk is low. If there is any kind of patient advocate group for the condition you have (eg the equivalent of Diabetes UK or Asthma UK etc), you might also find more tailored information from somewhere like that. Doctors are aware patients may have concerns about the vaccines and I think are keen to offer sensible advice. " Thank you, I've looked and no I can't find anything on the official medical site. I'll ring docs in the morning. | |||
"I'll be getting the astra on 27th. I am worried about side effects, especially coz I have a brain vessel defect I'm worried about a clot. Speak to your doctor about your specific pre-existing conditions and they can advise and find out more information for you. Please don't feel you have to just turn up on the day, you can take advice ahead of time. I might do that then, though I imagine they'll just say the risk is low. If there is any kind of patient advocate group for the condition you have (eg the equivalent of Diabetes UK or Asthma UK etc), you might also find more tailored information from somewhere like that. Doctors are aware patients may have concerns about the vaccines and I think are keen to offer sensible advice. Thank you, I've looked and no I can't find anything on the official medical site. I'll ring docs in the morning. " I volunteer as a vaccinator and unfortunately we can't offer specific advice about various medical conditions, so you'd definitely be best talking things through with your own doc, who has your records etc. Hope you find it a useful conversation | |||
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"I’ve had clots in the past and have still had both AZ vaccines and would do again. It’s all hype probably pushed by the other drugs companies. There is far more chance of getting a clot from the contraceptive pill which millions of women take every single day!!" Yeah I think that's what the doctor will say. | |||
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"Interestingly the chance of developing a blood clot with the contraceptive pill is about 250 times greater than the AZ vaccine. " My worry is the combination of the 2 potentially increasing the odds by quite a lot. That's how my cousin had her stroke (she's also a smoker and on meds for crohn's disease though) x | |||
"Interestingly the chance of developing a blood clot with the contraceptive pill is about 250 times greater than the AZ vaccine. " I won't take the pill. I'm choosing not to inject myself for the sake of covid either. | |||
"Interestingly the chance of developing a blood clot with the contraceptive pill is about 250 times greater than the AZ vaccine. My worry is the combination of the 2 potentially increasing the odds by quite a lot. That's how my cousin had her stroke (she's also a smoker and on meds for crohn's disease though) x" If you don't mind me asking, for clarity, did the stroke happen after having a vaccine? | |||
"Interestingly the chance of developing a blood clot with the contraceptive pill is about 250 times greater than the AZ vaccine. My worry is the combination of the 2 potentially increasing the odds by quite a lot. That's how my cousin had her stroke (she's also a smoker and on meds for crohn's disease though) x If you don't mind me asking, for clarity, did the stroke happen after having a vaccine?" Yeah it did. Wasn't severe thankfully, so she'll be ok. Could be not related to the vaccine at all, could be the last drop on top of pill, smoking and meds, I'm not sure. That's why I'd like to know about the other people who had blood clots. Had a few links sent over, thanks for those. It's not just the pill that's the concern though, since they stopped giving AZ to guys under 30 (or under 60 in some other countries) as well x | |||
"I'll be getting the astra on 27th. I am worried about side effects, especially coz I have a brain vessel defect I'm worried about a clot. Speak to your doctor about your specific pre-existing conditions and they can advise and find out more information for you. Please don't feel you have to just turn up on the day, you can take advice ahead of time." "Ask your doctor" is always a good answer for this sort of stuff, I feel. | |||
"Interestingly the chance of developing a blood clot with the contraceptive pill is about 250 times greater than the AZ vaccine. My worry is the combination of the 2 potentially increasing the odds by quite a lot. That's how my cousin had her stroke (she's also a smoker and on meds for crohn's disease though) x If you don't mind me asking, for clarity, did the stroke happen after having a vaccine? Yeah it did. Wasn't severe thankfully, so she'll be ok. Could be not related to the vaccine at all, could be the last drop on top of pill, smoking and meds, I'm not sure. That's why I'd like to know about the other people who had blood clots. Had a few links sent over, thanks for those. It's not just the pill that's the concern though, since they stopped giving AZ to guys under 30 (or under 60 in some other countries) as well x " Glad to hear she will be okay. My understanding is that the decision to offer alternative vaccine types to the U30s is nothing to do with the risk related to the Pill etc. That statistic is being used for comparison, as a risk most people understand. The decision was purely based on the benefit vs risk assessment, which shows that the risk of using the AZ vaccine, vs the risk of harm from Covid infection in any person U30 wasn't sufficiently in favour of the vaccine. There was still a slight benefit to using the vaccine, but relative to other vaccine types and also relative to other age groups, the benefit was fairly small. There's a good infographic which explains here: BBC News - Covid: Under-30s offered alternative to Oxford-AstraZeneca jab https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56665517 | |||
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"I’ve had clots in the past and have still had both AZ vaccines and would do again. It’s all hype probably pushed by the other drugs companies. " It isn't, it is from data collected after people getting the jab | |||
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"Interestingly the chance of developing a blood clot with the contraceptive pill is about 250 times greater than the AZ vaccine. My worry is the combination of the 2 potentially increasing the odds by quite a lot. That's how my cousin had her stroke (she's also a smoker and on meds for crohn's disease though) x If you don't mind me asking, for clarity, did the stroke happen after having a vaccine? Yeah it did. Wasn't severe thankfully, so she'll be ok. Could be not related to the vaccine at all, could be the last drop on top of pill, smoking and meds, I'm not sure. That's why I'd like to know about the other people who had blood clots. Had a few links sent over, thanks for those. It's not just the pill that's the concern though, since they stopped giving AZ to guys under 30 (or under 60 in some other countries) as well x Glad to hear she will be okay. My understanding is that the decision to offer alternative vaccine types to the U30s is nothing to do with the risk related to the Pill etc. That statistic is being used for comparison, as a risk most people understand. The decision was purely based on the benefit vs risk assessment, which shows that the risk of using the AZ vaccine, vs the risk of harm from Covid infection in any person U30 wasn't sufficiently in favour of the vaccine. There was still a slight benefit to using the vaccine, but relative to other vaccine types and also relative to other age groups, the benefit was fairly small. There's a good infographic which explains here: BBC News - Covid: Under-30s offered alternative to Oxford-AstraZeneca jab https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56665517" Thanks x | |||
"I'll be getting the astra on 27th. I am worried about side effects, especially coz I have a brain vessel defect I'm worried about a clot. Speak to your doctor about your specific pre-existing conditions and they can advise and find out more information for you. Please don't feel you have to just turn up on the day, you can take advice ahead of time. I might do that then, though I imagine they'll just say the risk is low. If there is any kind of patient advocate group for the condition you have (eg the equivalent of Diabetes UK or Asthma UK etc), you might also find more tailored information from somewhere like that. Doctors are aware patients may have concerns about the vaccines and I think are keen to offer sensible advice. " I think it very much depends on your surgery.... Mine are useless and getting past the acd and then the receptionist and then the online form is a task in itself. Why make something simple when we can make it as complicated as can be! | |||
" I think it very much depends on your surgery.... Mine are useless and getting past the acd and then the receptionist and then the online form is a task in itself. Why make something simple when we can make it as complicated as can be! " Ours is shut altogether or passed off to other people if you need anything. A big notice on the website says don't ring up about any concerns with the vaccine or about the jab itself as they are too busy on the phone....I am guessing batting off patients | |||
"Had my first dose of the AZ Never felt a thing, no side effects no sore arm or any thing Happy to take the second " Same here! | |||
"Interestingly the chance of developing a blood clot with the contraceptive pill is about 250 times greater than the AZ vaccine. My worry is the combination of the 2 potentially increasing the odds by quite a lot. That's how my cousin had her stroke (she's also a smoker and on meds for crohn's disease though) x If you don't mind me asking, for clarity, did the stroke happen after having a vaccine? Yeah it did. Wasn't severe thankfully, so she'll be ok. Could be not related to the vaccine at all, could be the last drop on top of pill, smoking and meds, I'm not sure. That's why I'd like to know about the other people who had blood clots. Had a few links sent over, thanks for those. It's not just the pill that's the concern though, since they stopped giving AZ to guys under 30 (or under 60 in some other countries) as well x " Because they have very little supply left due to cocking up the orders....? One wonders? | |||
"Interestingly the chance of developing a blood clot with the contraceptive pill is about 250 times greater than the AZ vaccine. My worry is the combination of the 2 potentially increasing the odds by quite a lot. That's how my cousin had her stroke (she's also a smoker and on meds for crohn's disease though) x If you don't mind me asking, for clarity, did the stroke happen after having a vaccine? Yeah it did. Wasn't severe thankfully, so she'll be ok. Could be not related to the vaccine at all, could be the last drop on top of pill, smoking and meds, I'm not sure. That's why I'd like to know about the other people who had blood clots. Had a few links sent over, thanks for those. It's not just the pill that's the concern though, since they stopped giving AZ to guys under 30 (or under 60 in some other countries) as well x Because they have very little supply left due to cocking up the orders....? One wonders?" The Moderna vaccine is coming on stream this coming week, so there should be plenty of vaccines for first doses and they're keeping the other ones as priority for second doses at the moment. | |||
"Interestingly the chance of developing a blood clot with the contraceptive pill is about 250 times greater than the AZ vaccine. My worry is the combination of the 2 potentially increasing the odds by quite a lot. That's how my cousin had her stroke (she's also a smoker and on meds for crohn's disease though) x If you don't mind me asking, for clarity, did the stroke happen after having a vaccine? Yeah it did. Wasn't severe thankfully, so she'll be ok. Could be not related to the vaccine at all, could be the last drop on top of pill, smoking and meds, I'm not sure. That's why I'd like to know about the other people who had blood clots. Had a few links sent over, thanks for those. It's not just the pill that's the concern though, since they stopped giving AZ to guys under 30 (or under 60 in some other countries) as well x Because they have very little supply left due to cocking up the orders....? One wonders?" Don't think anyone would expect the government to magically make over 100 million vaccines appear overnight | |||
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