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"Great news...another positive step" it is great news... my 15 year old can't wait x | |||
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"Great news...another positive step it is great news... my 15 year old can't wait x" They're doing studies down to six months old  | |||
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"Great news...another positive step it is great news... my 15 year old can't wait x They're doing studies down to six months old "My daughter applied to be part of the trials but didn't get accepted | |||
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"The EMA has approved the Pfizer vaccine in 12-15 year olds. Let's hope the UK follows suit, given the high rates in kids in some areas." How many are in hospital or died before we pump more drugs into people who have no say in the matter. | |||
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"Approved? Don’t you mean authorised for emergency use? " I mean jabs will be going in shoulders  | |||
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"Hmm , I think mods should look at your statement " If you feel that way then you know where the report button is. I had thought that nitpicking people's posts was discouraged on here, and insisting upon an technical legal definition when the gist of the thread is quite clear would seem to me to fall under that. | |||
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"Great news...another positive step it is great news... my 15 year old can't wait x They're doing studies down to six months old "The fact people are OK with this shows government's and media have down an excellent job off spreading the fear factor... | |||
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"Great news...another positive step it is great news... my 15 year old can't wait x They're doing studies down to six months old The fact people are OK with this shows government's and media have down an excellent job off spreading the fear factor..."I'm not afraid. I'm delighted. Science is progressing and we're all better off. A lot of European kids are going to be jabbed soon American kids are already | |||
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"Great news...another positive step it is great news... my 15 year old can't wait x They're doing studies down to six months old The fact people are OK with this shows government's and media have down an excellent job off spreading the fear factor..."No fear. My 15 Yr old is comparatively well-informed, offered to be in trials and will have no hesitation in taking up the offer of vaccination. | |||
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"Great news...another positive step it is great news... my 15 year old can't wait x They're doing studies down to six months old The fact people are OK with this shows government's and media have down an excellent job off spreading the fear factor..."The fact that some think that emergency use now is the same as in depth tests that can’t be completed for another 2 years shows they just don’t know what they are ok with | |||
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"Great news...another positive step it is great news... my 15 year old can't wait x They're doing studies down to six months old The fact people are OK with this shows government's and media have down an excellent job off spreading the fear factor...
The fact that some think that emergency use now is the same as in depth tests that can’t be completed for another 2 years shows they just don’t know what they are ok with"Or your not understanding that only those that originally took part in the trials are in trials till 2023 | |||
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"I wonder if the OP has children, none of my kids will be getting any sort of jab, If it’s for a condition That is not life threatening to them. I don’t understand the need to give artificial drugs to children as young as six month old, it’s far from natural and seems massively unnecessary, How many kids have actually died from this, if so what age range because I haven’t seen anything reported" Goodness, I thought we were allowed to share news here. I do not have children, but if I did I would be front of the queue to get them vaccinated. I'm also fully vaccinated, have had vaccines outside the schedule where I grew up, am on a Covid vaccine trial, and have a close relative who suffered lifelong complications from a vaccine injury. | |||
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"I wonder if the OP has children, none of my kids will be getting any sort of jab, If it’s for a condition That is not life threatening to them. I don’t understand the need to give artificial drugs to children as young as six month old, it’s far from natural and seems massively unnecessary, How many kids have actually died from this, if so what age range because I haven’t seen anything reported" My kids will be having it. I would hope my grandkids too. If we can eradicate this via vaccination as we did small pox it's going to be worth it. The vaccine is much safer than catching covid ..and while it's a small risk . If it mutates when all the adults are vaccinated it could leave the children very vulnerable. | |||
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"Why would you hope the UK follow suit, if you don’t have kids of your own? I bet most parents wouldn’t be happy with their children being vaccinated." Because I care about children | |||
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"I wonder if the OP has children, none of my kids will be getting any sort of jab, If it’s for a condition That is not life threatening to them. I don’t understand the need to give artificial drugs to children as young as six month old, it’s far from natural and seems massively unnecessary, How many kids have actually died from this, if so what age range because I haven’t seen anything reported" I personally know of three previoysly healthy teenagers completely debilitated by Long Covoid. If I can protect my son from that with a jab, I'm all for it. | |||
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"Smallpox has never been eradicated. There is no cure for smallpox, but vaccination can be used very effectively to prevent infection from developing if given during a period of up to four days after a person has been exposed to the virus. This is the strategy that was used to eradicate the disease during the 20th century Sounds nothing like a vaccination for Covid. " Err... Smallpox was declared eradicated before I was born  | |||
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"Why would you hope the UK follow suit, if you don’t have kids of your own? I bet most parents wouldn’t be happy with their children being vaccinated." I dont know any parent not waiting for kids to be allowed the vaccine personally | |||
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"Smallpox has never been eradicated. There is no cure for smallpox, but vaccination can be used very effectively to prevent infection from developing if given during a period of up to four days after a person has been exposed to the virus. This is the strategy that was used to eradicate the disease during the 20th century Sounds nothing like a vaccination for Covid. Err... Smallpox was declared eradicated before I was born "Yes eradicated in Uk Still cases of Smallpox in South America, Asia and Africa | |||
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"Smallpox has never been eradicated. There is no cure for smallpox, but vaccination can be used very effectively to prevent infection from developing if given during a period of up to four days after a person has been exposed to the virus. This is the strategy that was used to eradicate the disease during the 20th century Sounds nothing like a vaccination for Covid. Err... Smallpox was declared eradicated before I was born
Yes eradicated in Uk
Still cases of Smallpox in South America, Asia and Africa"From the Centers of Disease Control site on smallpox (not sure if I can link US government sites): "Thanks to the success of vaccination, the last natural outbreak of smallpox in the United States occurred in 1949. In 1980, the World Health Assembly declared smallpox eradicated (eliminated), and no cases of naturally occurring smallpox have happened since." | |||
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"Great news...another positive step it is great news... my 15 year old can't wait x They're doing studies down to six months old The fact people are OK with this shows government's and media have down an excellent job off spreading the fear factor..."Or perhaps proved pretty much conclusively that the system works to one degree or another maybe? | |||
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"I have no idea what smallpox has to do with protecting European teenagers against Covid "my fault I brought it up as a how mass vaccination can be a good thing for all... bit just those that the illness will directly impact | |||
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"Great news...another positive step it is great news... my 15 year old can't wait x They're doing studies down to six months old "Six month old | |||
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"Great news...another positive step it is great news... my 15 year old can't wait x They're doing studies down to six months old
Six month old "Yup
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"Great news...another positive step it is great news... my 15 year old can't wait x They're doing studies down to six months old
Six month old
Yup
Brilliant, isn't it "No it’s not. You don’t even have kids so I don’t know why you are so gleeful about babies as young as 6 months having the vaccine. | |||
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"Why would you hope the UK follow suit, if you don’t have kids of your own? I bet most parents wouldn’t be happy with their children being vaccinated. Because I care about children "Laughable. | |||
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"Great news...another positive step it is great news... my 15 year old can't wait x They're doing studies down to six months old
Six month old
Yup
Brilliant, isn't it "No it's absolute insanity. The Lancet have per review data showing the pfizer vaccines effectiveness and it's far far lower than all the claims by pfizer and the govement. Weight that up against the odds of a child actually getting sick from covid, and the reports of adverse and serious adverse reactions to the vaccine. Choosing to vaccinate a 6 month old child should be criminal | |||
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"Great news...another positive step it is great news... my 15 year old can't wait x They're doing studies down to six months old
Six month old
Yup
Brilliant, isn't it
No it’s not.
You don’t even have kids so I don’t know why you are so gleeful about babies as young as 6 months having the vaccine.
"Because I care about children. I'm allowed an opinion, last I checked. Sorry if that upsets you. | |||
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"Great news...another positive step it is great news... my 15 year old can't wait x They're doing studies down to six months old
Six month old
Yup
Brilliant, isn't it
No it’s not.
You don’t even have kids so I don’t know why you are so gleeful about babies as young as 6 months having the vaccine.
Because I care about children.
I'm allowed an opinion, last I checked. Sorry if that upsets you."Who said it upsets me? Because I think what you say is laughable and a joke doesn’t mean I’m upset. | |||
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"Great news...another positive step it is great news... my 15 year old can't wait x They're doing studies down to six months old
Six month old
Yup
Brilliant, isn't it
No it’s not.
You don’t even have kids so I don’t know why you are so gleeful about babies as young as 6 months having the vaccine.
Because I care about children.
I'm allowed an opinion, last I checked. Sorry if that upsets you."We're all welcome to our own opinions. My opinion is I'd do anything to keep away from you and people like you personally | |||
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"Great news...another positive step it is great news... my 15 year old can't wait x They're doing studies down to six months old
Six month old
Yup
Brilliant, isn't it
No it’s not.
You don’t even have kids so I don’t know why you are so gleeful about babies as young as 6 months having the vaccine.
Because I care about children.
I'm allowed an opinion, last I checked. Sorry if that upsets you.
We're all welcome to our own opinions. My opinion is I'd do anything to keep away from you and people like you personally"Me too. It’s alright for the women that doesn’t even have kids so no personal experience of being a parent or how it feels to be jumping for joy that they want to vaccinate them and as young as 6 months. | |||
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"Great news...another positive step it is great news... my 15 year old can't wait x They're doing studies down to six months old
Six month old
Yup
Brilliant, isn't it
No it's absolute insanity.
The Lancet have per review data showing the pfizer vaccines effectiveness and it's far far lower than all the claims by pfizer and the govement.
Weight that up against the odds of a child actually getting sick from covid, and the reports of adverse and serious adverse reactions to the vaccine.
Choosing to vaccinate a 6 month old child should be criminal " | |||
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"Great news...another positive step it is great news... my 15 year old can't wait x They're doing studies down to six months old
Six month old
Yup
Brilliant, isn't it "Injecting a 6 month old baby with a covid vaccine. You brilliant isn't it quote shows you are not a parent. 6 month
Struggling to get my head around why someone would think its ok. | |||
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"Great news...another positive step it is great news... my 15 year old can't wait x They're doing studies down to six months old
Six month old
Yup
Brilliant, isn't it
Injecting a 6 month old baby with a covid vaccine.
You brilliant isn't it quote shows you are not a parent.
6 month
Struggling to get my head around why someone would think its ok."Because I would want the very best in preventative medical care for my child? My goodness, how monstrous
I'm not a parent because I choose not to be, but ta | |||
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"I want my son jabbed ASAP. He is in a high risk category and he would be very ill if he were to get covid - instant hospital type thing. " I hope he's ok | |||
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"Great news...another positive step it is great news... my 15 year old can't wait x They're doing studies down to six months old
Six month old
Yup
Brilliant, isn't it
Injecting a 6 month old baby with a covid vaccine.
You brilliant isn't it quote shows you are not a parent.
6 month
Struggling to get my head around why someone would think its ok.
Because I would want the very best in preventative medical care for my child?
My goodness, how monstrous
I'm not a parent because I choose not to be, but ta "It's the fact that you are not a parent that you think it's ok . What if the baby has an adverse reaction. A 6 month old baby can't say how it is feeling. I am all for vaccination But not for a 6 month old. | |||
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"Great news...another positive step it is great news... my 15 year old can't wait x They're doing studies down to six months old
Six month old
Yup
Brilliant, isn't it
Injecting a 6 month old baby with a covid vaccine.
You brilliant isn't it quote shows you are not a parent.
6 month
Struggling to get my head around why someone would think its ok.
Because I would want the very best in preventative medical care for my child?
My goodness, how monstrous
I'm not a parent because I choose not to be, but ta "Like you said you don’t have kids so you don’t know how you would feel. Making up a imaginary child in your head that you would vaccinate is completely different to actually having a child.  | |||
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"Great news...another positive step it is great news... my 15 year old can't wait x They're doing studies down to six months old
Six month old
Yup
Brilliant, isn't it
Injecting a 6 month old baby with a covid vaccine.
You brilliant isn't it quote shows you are not a parent.
6 month
Struggling to get my head around why someone would think its ok.
Because I would want the very best in preventative medical care for my child?
My goodness, how monstrous
I'm not a parent because I choose not to be, but ta
It's the fact that you are not a parent that you think it's ok .
What if the baby has an adverse reaction.
A 6 month old baby can't say how it is feeling.
I am all for vaccination
But not for a 6 month old."You deal with adverse reactions the way you deal with any illness in any non verbal child or person who cannot communicate clearly. You look for signs. The same as you would with the standard UK vaccination schedule, which (if Google is correct) starts at two months old | |||
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"Great news...another positive step it is great news... my 15 year old can't wait x They're doing studies down to six months old
Six month old
Yup
Brilliant, isn't it
Injecting a 6 month old baby with a covid vaccine.
You brilliant isn't it quote shows you are not a parent.
6 month
Struggling to get my head around why someone would think its ok.
Because I would want the very best in preventative medical care for my child?
My goodness, how monstrous
I'm not a parent because I choose not to be, but ta
Like you said you don’t have kids so you don’t know how you would feel. Making up a imaginary child in your head that you would vaccinate is completely different to actually having a child.
"So I'm not allowed an opinion? I am delighted that studies are being done, that they have been done, that they will be done, and that in time babies will be vaccinated. I'm sorry if you dislike my opinion or find it invalid, but I have as much right to it as you do to yours. | |||
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"Hmm , I think mods should look at your statement If you feel that way then you know where the report button is. I had thought that nitpicking people's posts was discouraged on here" Questioning what people post is not nit picking. | |||
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"Great news...another positive step it is great news... my 15 year old can't wait x They're doing studies down to six months old
Six month old
Yup
Brilliant, isn't it
Injecting a 6 month old baby with a covid vaccine.
You brilliant isn't it quote shows you are not a parent.
6 month
Struggling to get my head around why someone would think its ok.
Because I would want the very best in preventative medical care for my child?
My goodness, how monstrous
I'm not a parent because I choose not to be, but ta
Like you said you don’t have kids so you don’t know how you would feel. Making up a imaginary child in your head that you would vaccinate is completely different to actually having a child.
So I'm not allowed an opinion?
I am delighted that studies are being done, that they have been done, that they will be done, and that in time babies will be vaccinated.
I'm sorry if you dislike my opinion or find it invalid, but I have as much right to it as you do to yours."Of course you’re delighted. It’s you. | |||
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"Great news...another positive step it is great news... my 15 year old can't wait x They're doing studies down to six months old
Six month old
Yup
Brilliant, isn't it
Injecting a 6 month old baby with a covid vaccine.
You brilliant isn't it quote shows you are not a parent.
6 month
Struggling to get my head around why someone would think its ok.
Because I would want the very best in preventative medical care for my child?
My goodness, how monstrous
I'm not a parent because I choose not to be, but ta
Like you said you don’t have kids so you don’t know how you would feel. Making up a imaginary child in your head that you would vaccinate is completely different to actually having a child.
So I'm not allowed an opinion?
I am delighted that studies are being done, that they have been done, that they will be done, and that in time babies will be vaccinated.
I'm sorry if you dislike my opinion or find it invalid, but I have as much right to it as you do to yours.
Of course you’re delighted. It’s you. "Ok | |||
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"Great news...another positive step it is great news... my 15 year old can't wait x They're doing studies down to six months old
Six month old
Yup
Brilliant, isn't it
Injecting a 6 month old baby with a covid vaccine.
You brilliant isn't it quote shows you are not a parent.
6 month
Struggling to get my head around why someone would think its ok.
Because I would want the very best in preventative medical care for my child?
My goodness, how monstrous
I'm not a parent because I choose not to be, but ta
Like you said you don’t have kids so you don’t know how you would feel. Making up a imaginary child in your head that you would vaccinate is completely different to actually having a child.
So I'm not allowed an opinion?
"Yes and people are allowed to challenge it. What I think they are getting at is, when you have kids your mindset changes totally so your view is coming from a different place | |||
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"Great news...another positive step it is great news... my 15 year old can't wait x They're doing studies down to six months old
Six month old
Yup
Brilliant, isn't it
Injecting a 6 month old baby with a covid vaccine.
You brilliant isn't it quote shows you are not a parent.
6 month
Struggling to get my head around why someone would think its ok.
Because I would want the very best in preventative medical care for my child?
My goodness, how monstrous
I'm not a parent because I choose not to be, but ta
Like you said you don’t have kids so you don’t know how you would feel. Making up a imaginary child in your head that you would vaccinate is completely different to actually having a child.
So I'm not allowed an opinion?
Yes and people are allowed to challenge it. What I think they are getting at is, when you have kids your mindset changes totally so your view is coming from a different place"Fair. I cannot imagine anything other than "I hope my child doesn't catch anything vaccine preventable before I can have them vaccinated". Heard too many horrific stories of babies dying of whooping cough for that | |||
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"Great news...another positive step it is great news... my 15 year old can't wait x They're doing studies down to six months old
Six month old
Yup
Brilliant, isn't it
Injecting a 6 month old baby with a covid vaccine.
You brilliant isn't it quote shows you are not a parent.
6 month
Struggling to get my head around why someone would think its ok.
Because I would want the very best in preventative medical care for my child?
My goodness, how monstrous
I'm not a parent because I choose not to be, but ta
Like you said you don’t have kids so you don’t know how you would feel. Making up a imaginary child in your head that you would vaccinate is completely different to actually having a child.
So I'm not allowed an opinion?
Yes and people are allowed to challenge it. What I think they are getting at is, when you have kids your mindset changes totally so your view is coming from a different place
Fair.
I cannot imagine anything other than "I hope my child doesn't catch anything vaccine preventable before I can have them vaccinated". Heard too many horrific stories of babies dying of whooping cough for that "For me I wouldn't and didn't think like that, I weighed up the potential downside as well as the positive before making a decision as as much as you wouldn't want them catching something that may harm them, you have to think the thing you are giving them may harm them too. It isn't black and white being a parent | |||
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"EMA who are they the FDA approve vaccines and none of theses have been approved because as the FDA have stated they may never approve gene therapy They have also stated they will only approve them when they have been proven safe and effective and will only do so when they are happy to give it to there own family members all of the info is out there if you spending just a little time looking " The European Medicines Agency approve drugs for the European Union. The Food and Drugs Administration approve drugs in the United States of America. | |||
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"Great news...another positive step it is great news... my 15 year old can't wait x They're doing studies down to six months old
Six month old
Yup
Brilliant, isn't it
Injecting a 6 month old baby with a covid vaccine.
You brilliant isn't it quote shows you are not a parent.
6 month
Struggling to get my head around why someone would think its ok.
Because I would want the very best in preventative medical care for my child?
My goodness, how monstrous
I'm not a parent because I choose not to be, but ta
Like you said you don’t have kids so you don’t know how you would feel. Making up a imaginary child in your head that you would vaccinate is completely different to actually having a child.
So I'm not allowed an opinion?
Yes and people are allowed to challenge it. What I think they are getting at is, when you have kids your mindset changes totally so your view is coming from a different place
Fair.
I cannot imagine anything other than "I hope my child doesn't catch anything vaccine preventable before I can have them vaccinated". Heard too many horrific stories of babies dying of whooping cough for that
For me I wouldn't and didn't think like that, I weighed up the potential downside as well as the positive before making a decision as as much as you wouldn't want them catching something that may harm them, you have to think the thing you are giving them may harm them too.
It isn't black and white being a parent "Sure. But I can only say what I know. My opinion stands. | |||
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"Great news...another positive step it is great news... my 15 year old can't wait x They're doing studies down to six months old
Six month old
Yup
Brilliant, isn't it
Injecting a 6 month old baby with a covid vaccine.
You brilliant isn't it quote shows you are not a parent.
6 month
Struggling to get my head around why someone would think its ok.
Because I would want the very best in preventative medical care for my child?
My goodness, how monstrous
I'm not a parent because I choose not to be, but ta
Like you said you don’t have kids so you don’t know how you would feel. Making up a imaginary child in your head that you would vaccinate is completely different to actually having a child.
So I'm not allowed an opinion?
Yes and people are allowed to challenge it. What I think they are getting at is, when you have kids your mindset changes totally so your view is coming from a different place
Fair.
I cannot imagine anything other than "I hope my child doesn't catch anything vaccine preventable before I can have them vaccinated". Heard too many horrific stories of babies dying of whooping cough for that
For me I wouldn't and didn't think like that, I weighed up the potential downside as well as the positive before making a decision as as much as you wouldn't want them catching something that may harm them, you have to think the thing you are giving them may harm them too.
It isn't black and white being a parent " | |||
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"Great news...another positive step it is great news... my 15 year old can't wait x They're doing studies down to six months old
Six month old
Yup
Brilliant, isn't it
Injecting a 6 month old baby with a covid vaccine.
You brilliant isn't it quote shows you are not a parent.
6 month
Struggling to get my head around why someone would think its ok.
Because I would want the very best in preventative medical care for my child?
My goodness, how monstrous
I'm not a parent because I choose not to be, but ta
Like you said you don’t have kids so you don’t know how you would feel. Making up a imaginary child in your head that you would vaccinate is completely different to actually having a child.
So I'm not allowed an opinion?
Yes and people are allowed to challenge it. What I think they are getting at is, when you have kids your mindset changes totally so your view is coming from a different place
Fair.
I cannot imagine anything other than "I hope my child doesn't catch anything vaccine preventable before I can have them vaccinated". Heard too many horrific stories of babies dying of whooping cough for that
For me I wouldn't and didn't think like that, I weighed up the potential downside as well as the positive before making a decision as as much as you wouldn't want them catching something that may harm them, you have to think the thing you are giving them may harm them too.
It isn't black and white being a parent
Sure. But I can only say what I know. My opinion stands."But you don’t know because you don’t have children. | |||
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"EMA who are they the FDA approve vaccines and none of theses have been approved because as the FDA have stated they may never approve gene therapy They have also stated they will only approve them when they have been proven safe and effective and will only do so when they are happy to give it to there own family members all of the info is out there if you spending just a little time looking The European Medicines Agency approve drugs for the European Union. The Food and Drugs Administration approve drugs in the United States of America." I think the only approval that matters is the approval of the parents. | |||
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"Great news...another positive step it is great news... my 15 year old can't wait x They're doing studies down to six months old
Six month old
Yup
Brilliant, isn't it
Injecting a 6 month old baby with a covid vaccine.
You brilliant isn't it quote shows you are not a parent.
6 month
Struggling to get my head around why someone would think its ok.
Because I would want the very best in preventative medical care for my child?
My goodness, how monstrous
I'm not a parent because I choose not to be, but ta
Like you said you don’t have kids so you don’t know how you would feel. Making up a imaginary child in your head that you would vaccinate is completely different to actually having a child.
So I'm not allowed an opinion?
Yes and people are allowed to challenge it. What I think they are getting at is, when you have kids your mindset changes totally so your view is coming from a different place
Fair.
I cannot imagine anything other than "I hope my child doesn't catch anything vaccine preventable before I can have them vaccinated". Heard too many horrific stories of babies dying of whooping cough for that
For me I wouldn't and didn't think like that, I weighed up the potential downside as well as the positive before making a decision as as much as you wouldn't want them catching something that may harm them, you have to think the thing you are giving them may harm them too.
It isn't black and white being a parent
Sure. But I can only say what I know. My opinion stands.
But you don’t know because you don’t have children. "Nope. I don't know. My *opinion* is that if I had a child, I would fiercely protect him or her from as young as possible from every vaccine preventable disease possible. My *opinion* is that my love would be fierce and defensive and that I would use every tool in my arsenal. My *opinion* is that I would continue to trust the medical establishment. My *opinion* is that my love would be in the form of full vaccination or over the schedule. And thus, I am delighted that the options are being studied. | |||
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" But I can only say what I know. My opinion stands." That is the point, you don't actually know what you would do as you are not a parent.Your mindset changes totally if/ when you become one | |||
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"Great news...another positive step it is great news... my 15 year old can't wait x They're doing studies down to six months old
Six month old
Yup
Brilliant, isn't it
Injecting a 6 month old baby with a covid vaccine.
You brilliant isn't it quote shows you are not a parent.
6 month
Struggling to get my head around why someone would think its ok.
Because I would want the very best in preventative medical care for my child?
My goodness, how monstrous
I'm not a parent because I choose not to be, but ta
Like you said you don’t have kids so you don’t know how you would feel. Making up a imaginary child in your head that you would vaccinate is completely different to actually having a child.
So I'm not allowed an opinion?
Yes and people are allowed to challenge it. What I think they are getting at is, when you have kids your mindset changes totally so your view is coming from a different place
Fair.
I cannot imagine anything other than "I hope my child doesn't catch anything vaccine preventable before I can have them vaccinated". Heard too many horrific stories of babies dying of whooping cough for that
For me I wouldn't and didn't think like that, I weighed up the potential downside as well as the positive before making a decision as as much as you wouldn't want them catching something that may harm them, you have to think the thing you are giving them may harm them too.
It isn't black and white being a parent
Sure. But I can only say what I know. My opinion stands.
But you don’t know because you don’t have children.
Nope. I don't know.
My *opinion* is that if I had a child, I would fiercely protect him or her from as young as possible from every vaccine preventable disease possible. My *opinion* is that my love would be fierce and defensive and that I would use every tool in my arsenal. My *opinion* is that I would continue to trust the medical establishment.
My *opinion* is that my love would be in the form of full vaccination or over the schedule.
And thus, I am delighted that the options are being studied."Your *opinion* on vaccination and children means jack shit because you don’t have kids. | |||
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" But I can only say what I know. My opinion stands. That is the point, you don't actually know what you would do as you are not a parent.Your mindset changes totally if/ when you become one" Agreed....as a parent the slightest sniff of a problem with the vaccine has my alarm bells ringing. | |||
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"Great news...another positive step it is great news... my 15 year old can't wait x They're doing studies down to six months old
Six month old
Yup
Brilliant, isn't it
Injecting a 6 month old baby with a covid vaccine.
You brilliant isn't it quote shows you are not a parent.
6 month
Struggling to get my head around why someone would think its ok.
Because I would want the very best in preventative medical care for my child?
My goodness, how monstrous
I'm not a parent because I choose not to be, but ta
Like you said you don’t have kids so you don’t know how you would feel. Making up a imaginary child in your head that you would vaccinate is completely different to actually having a child.
So I'm not allowed an opinion?
Yes and people are allowed to challenge it. What I think they are getting at is, when you have kids your mindset changes totally so your view is coming from a different place
Fair.
I cannot imagine anything other than "I hope my child doesn't catch anything vaccine preventable before I can have them vaccinated". Heard too many horrific stories of babies dying of whooping cough for that
For me I wouldn't and didn't think like that, I weighed up the potential downside as well as the positive before making a decision as as much as you wouldn't want them catching something that may harm them, you have to think the thing you are giving them may harm them too.
It isn't black and white being a parent
Sure. But I can only say what I know. My opinion stands.
But you don’t know because you don’t have children.
Nope. I don't know.
My *opinion* is that if I had a child, I would fiercely protect him or her from as young as possible from every vaccine preventable disease possible. My *opinion* is that my love would be fierce and defensive and that I would use every tool in my arsenal. My *opinion* is that I would continue to trust the medical establishment.
My *opinion* is that my love would be in the form of full vaccination or over the schedule.
And thus, I am delighted that the options are being studied.
Your *opinion* on vaccination and children means jack shit because you don’t have kids. "And yet, here I am, over the moon that teenagers will be protected and hopefully children will follow | |||
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" But I can only say what I know. My opinion stands. That is the point, you don't actually know what you would do as you are not a parent.Your mindset changes totally if/ when you become one Agreed....as a parent the slightest sniff of a problem with the vaccine has my alarm bells ringing." You parents have a tough decision now and I am glad I don't have to make it. The Gov kept sending children into school saying they don't pass it around and are safe , now they may get a vaccine...seems contradictory for me | |||
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"Approved for emergency use,trials still ongoing. Absolute disgraceful. This is setting a dangerous presidence. " Considering teens and children are hardly affected at all, absolutely. Give them something experimental they don't need whilst going through puberty. Very scientific. | |||
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" But I can only say what I know. My opinion stands. That is the point, you don't actually know what you would do as you are not a parent.Your mindset changes totally if/ when you become one Agreed....as a parent the slightest sniff of a problem with the vaccine has my alarm bells ringing. You parents have a tough decision now and I am glad I don't have to make it. The Gov kept sending children into school saying they don't pass it around and are safe , now they may get a vaccine...seems contradictory for me" the govmnt also said they were throwing a ring of steel around care homes .... cant entirely believe our contradictory and unappolagetic governmemt, but im more inclined to believe the muliple multi national medical agencies around the world that say the benefit of vaccines outweighs the risk of vaccination. | |||
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" But I can only say what I know. My opinion stands. That is the point, you don't actually know what you would do as you are not a parent.Your mindset changes totally if/ when you become one Agreed....as a parent the slightest sniff of a problem with the vaccine has my alarm bells ringing. You parents have a tough decision now and I am glad I don't have to make it. The Gov kept sending children into school saying they don't pass it around and are safe , now they may get a vaccine...seems contradictory for me the govmnt also said they were throwing a ring of steel around care homes .... cant entirely believe our contradictory and unappolagetic governmemt, but im more inclined to believe the muliple multi national medical agencies around the world that say the benefit of vaccines outweighs the risk of vaccination." Quite. I ignore the government. I listen to the MHRA, FDA, EMA, TGA, and others | |||
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"EMA who are they the FDA approve vaccines and none of theses have been approved because as the FDA have stated they may never approve gene therapy They have also stated they will only approve them when they have been proven safe and effective and will only do so when they are happy to give it to there own family members all of the info is out there if you spending just a little time looking The European Medicines Agency approve drugs for the European Union. The Food and Drugs Administration approve drugs in the United States of America." Yes I did forget about them so on what grounds have they approved it fully or emergency use | |||
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"EMA who are they the FDA approve vaccines and none of theses have been approved because as the FDA have stated they may never approve gene therapy They have also stated they will only approve them when they have been proven safe and effective and will only do so when they are happy to give it to there own family members all of the info is out there if you spending just a little time looking The European Medicines Agency approve drugs for the European Union. The Food and Drugs Administration approve drugs in the United States of America. Yes I did forget about them so on what grounds have they approved it fully or emergency use " I'm sure they've documented their reasoning. I skimmed a news story. | |||
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" But I can only say what I know. My opinion stands. That is the point, you don't actually know what you would do as you are not a parent.Your mindset changes totally if/ when you become one Agreed....as a parent the slightest sniff of a problem with the vaccine has my alarm bells ringing. You parents have a tough decision now and I am glad I don't have to make it. The Gov kept sending children into school saying they don't pass it around and are safe , now they may get a vaccine...seems contradictory for me the govmnt also said they were throwing a ring of steel around care homes .... cant entirely believe our contradictory and unappolagetic governmemt, but im more inclined to believe the muliple multi national medical agencies around the world that say the benefit of vaccines outweighs the risk of vaccination." My second comment was an add on to what I was thinking, I am guessing any parent would be looking at evidence from the experts before making their decision. | |||
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"AS A PARENT, I'm keen to do whatever it takes to keep my kids safe from a scientifically backed perspective. Claiming that someone without kids couldn't possibly understand the way a parent feels... Utter bilge, and really offensive. To think it is one thing, to have the arrogance to believe it is a self evident fact... Ick. Yes, I have to turn off the radio when I hear news stories about child abuse, but it didn't make me lose my brain. All my children had standard vaccinations, and if this joins the recommendations, so be it." Well it’s my opinion and I stand by it. I don’t really care if you find it offensive to be honest. As a non parent you can’t understand it from a parents point of view because you are not one. | |||
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"AS A PARENT, I'm keen to do whatever it takes to keep my kids safe from a scientifically backed perspective. Claiming that someone without kids couldn't possibly understand the way a parent feels... Utter bilge, and really offensive. To think it is one thing, to have the arrogance to believe it is a self evident fact... Ick. Yes, I have to turn off the radio when I hear news stories about child abuse, but it didn't make me lose my brain. All my children had standard vaccinations, and if this joins the recommendations, so be it. Well it’s my opinion and I stand by it. I don’t really care if you find it offensive to be honest. As a non parent you can’t understand it from a parents point of view because you are not one. " Me? A non parent? The one who started his post with "AS A PARENT"? That me? | |||
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"AS A PARENT, I'm keen to do whatever it takes to keep my kids safe from a scientifically backed perspective. Claiming that someone without kids couldn't possibly understand the way a parent feels... Utter bilge, and really offensive. To think it is one thing, to have the arrogance to believe it is a self evident fact... Ick. Yes, I have to turn off the radio when I hear news stories about child abuse, but it didn't make me lose my brain. All my children had standard vaccinations, and if this joins the recommendations, so be it. Well it’s my opinion and I stand by it. I don’t really care if you find it offensive to be honest. As a non parent you can’t understand it from a parents point of view because you are not one. Me? A non parent? The one who started his post with "AS A PARENT"? That me? " No, the end was a general statement. Not about you although I can see how it could be read that way. | |||
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"This terrifies me. It is pure insanity" Society has been vaccinating children for a long time, yes it's a new vaccine but at some point if this virus lingers as long as it looks like there may be a mutation that affects the young badly.. Then what? | |||
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"This terrifies me. It is pure insanity Society has been vaccinating children for a long time, yes it's a new vaccine but at some point if this virus lingers as long as it looks like there may be a mutation that affects the young badly.. Then what?" I do not know to be honest but I would never sacrifice my children, especially not babies | |||
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"This terrifies me. It is pure insanity Society has been vaccinating children for a long time, yes it's a new vaccine but at some point if this virus lingers as long as it looks like there may be a mutation that affects the young badly.. Then what? I do not know to be honest but I would never sacrifice my children, especially not babies " I don't think anyone is talking about sacrificing anyone, kids routinely get vaccinated.. I did, ours did and theirs have been.. | |||
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" But I can only say what I know. My opinion stands. That is the point, you don't actually know what you would do as you are not a parent.Your mindset changes totally if/ when you become one Agreed....as a parent the slightest sniff of a problem with the vaccine has my alarm bells ringing. You parents have a tough decision now and I am glad I don't have to make it. The Gov kept sending children into school saying they don't pass it around and are safe , now they may get a vaccine...seems contradictory for me the govmnt also said they were throwing a ring of steel around care homes .... cant entirely believe our contradictory and unappolagetic governmemt, but im more inclined to believe the muliple multi national medical agencies around the world that say the benefit of vaccines outweighs the risk of vaccination. Quite. I ignore the government. I listen to the MHRA, FDA, EMA, TGA, and others " So why on earth would you think it’s been approved?? | |||
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"The EMA has approved the Pfizer vaccine in 12-15 year olds. Let's hope the UK follows suit, given the high rates in kids in some areas." Good news.
Parents can choose whether to vaccinate their kids or not.
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" But I can only say what I know. My opinion stands. That is the point, you don't actually know what you would do as you are not a parent.Your mindset changes totally if/ when you become one Agreed....as a parent the slightest sniff of a problem with the vaccine has my alarm bells ringing. You parents have a tough decision now and I am glad I don't have to make it. The Gov kept sending children into school saying they don't pass it around and are safe , now they may get a vaccine...seems contradictory for me the govmnt also said they were throwing a ring of steel around care homes .... cant entirely believe our contradictory and unappolagetic governmemt, but im more inclined to believe the muliple multi national medical agencies around the world that say the benefit of vaccines outweighs the risk of vaccination. Quite. I ignore the government. I listen to the MHRA, FDA, EMA, TGA, and others So why on earth would you think it’s been approved??" Because it has. Under emergency use, yes, but a technicality. Teenagers will be protected if they or their parents so choose | |||
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"This terrifies me. It is pure insanity Society has been vaccinating children for a long time, yes it's a new vaccine but at some point if this virus lingers as long as it looks like there may be a mutation that affects the young badly.. Then what? I do not know to be honest but I would never sacrifice my children, especially not babies I don't think anyone is talking about sacrificing anyone, kids routinely get vaccinated.. I did, ours d id and theirs have been.. " Mine have been too but this vaccine is too new for me to trust | |||
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"This terrifies me. It is pure insanity Society has been vaccinating children for a long time, yes it's a new vaccine but at some point if this virus lingers as long as it looks like there may be a mutation that affects the young badly.. Then what? I do not know to be honest but I would never sacrifice my children, especially not babies I don't think anyone is talking about sacrificing anyone, kids routinely get vaccinated.. I did, ours d id and theirs have been.. Mine have been too but this vaccine is too new for me to trust " Personal choice.. | |||
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" But I can only say what I know. My opinion stands. That is the point, you don't actually know what you would do as you are not a parent.Your mindset changes totally if/ when you become one Agreed....as a parent the slightest sniff of a problem with the vaccine has my alarm bells ringing. You parents have a tough decision now and I am glad I don't have to make it. The Gov kept sending children into school saying they don't pass it around and are safe , now they may get a vaccine...seems contradictory for me the govmnt also said they were throwing a ring of steel around care homes .... cant entirely believe our contradictory and unappolagetic governmemt, but im more inclined to believe the muliple multi national medical agencies around the world that say the benefit of vaccines outweighs the risk of vaccination. Quite. I ignore the government. I listen to the MHRA, FDA, EMA, TGA, and others So why on earth would you think it’s been approved?? Because it has. Under emergency use, yes, but a technicality. Teenagers will be protected if they or their parents so choose " | |||
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"The EMA has approved the Pfizer vaccine in 12-15 year olds. Let's hope the UK follows suit, given the high rates in kids in some areas. Good news.
Parents can choose whether to vaccinate their kids or not.
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"I think the thread title is misleading people, it’s easy to check that the vaccine has not been approved , to say that the remaining 2 years of in depth testing before approval is a technicality is just reckless, I think the mods should remove it, I have reported" Oh stop being a pedandtic plank, I did go and check (EMA website) and yup it has been approved and I quote "First COVID-19 vaccine approved for children aged 12 to 15 in EU" so which part of that sentence is misleading? Also reported on multiple international news and information sites using the same if not identical terminoligy. What checks are you making that informs you so well facebook? | |||
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"If you read it it says conditional marketing approval, on condition of further test results being available " And still approved ... of course there are still further test results to be done, Covid hasnt been a thing that long but something had to be done to prevent millions (just in the the UK) from dying. The testing that hasd been done to-date is positive, every death due to a vaccine side effect is of course horrendous, people die every day from medicine side effects, but it really does boil down to a numbers game, those who get vaccinated and help stop Covid v those who sadly react badly to the vaccine. The longer Covid runs wild the more chace it has to mutate, I do wonder what peoples thought process would be if it was the very young who were most vulnerable and not the very old. | |||
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"If one parent wants their child to be vaccinated and one doesn't, what is the outcome ?" A hell of an argument | |||
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"If one parent wants their child to be vaccinated and one doesn't, what is the outcome ?" Not sure where my book on medical law is right now, but 12-15 in this country seems to be well into Gillick competency - that is, the child can choose for themselves because the medical practitioners have assessed that they are competent to make their own decisions. | |||
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"If one parent wants their child to be vaccinated and one doesn't, what is the outcome ? Not sure where my book on medical law is right now, but 12-15 in this country seems to be well into Gillick competency - that is, the child can choose for themselves because the medical practitioners have assessed that they are competent to make their own decisions. From what age ?" Can't remember off the top of my head, but I think it's a child by child assessment. | |||
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"Thanks for the info _naswingdress. You are always so knowledgeable" No worries | |||
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"The EMA has approved the Pfizer vaccine in 12-15 year olds. Let's hope the UK follows suit, given the high rates in kids in some areas. Good news.
Parents can choose whether to vaccinate their kids or not.
Not sure why some people think vaccination is mandatory.
Who thought that?"People on this thread seem to think it. They are getting annoyed at the OP saying she is pleased that children under 16 can be vaccinated. It's not mandatory, it's just her opinion. So unsure why they are so annoyed at her. | |||
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"The EMA has approved the Pfizer vaccine in 12-15 year olds. Let's hope the UK follows suit, given the high rates in kids in some areas. Good news.
Parents can choose whether to vaccinate their kids or not.
Not sure why some people think vaccination is mandatory.
Who thought that?
People on this thread seem to think it. They are getting annoyed at the OP saying she is pleased that children under 16 can be vaccinated.
It's not mandatory, it's just her opinion. So unsure why they are so annoyed at her. "Being "annoyed" or saying they don't want their children having it doesn't translate to people saying it is mandatory. | |||
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"I wonder what benefit exactly there is in jabbing 12 to 15 year old kids? How many have been hospitalised, died or have long covid? I'm far from convinced it's necessary or beneficial. " Deaths, hospitalisations, and long Covid have happened. I think I heard 500 paediatric deaths in the US or something? Ending the pandemic would be useful, too. | |||
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"Our governent state that you can still get it you still infect others without having any symptoms you still have to social distance and Wear a mask so exactly what protection is everyone talking about ?????" A reduction in severity if you do catch it, hopefully keeping you out of hospital and potentially saving your life. | |||
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"I wonder what benefit exactly there is in jabbing 12 to 15 year old kids? How many have been hospitalised, died or have long covid? I'm far from convinced it's necessary or beneficial. Deaths, hospitalisations, and long Covid have happened. I think I heard 500 paediatric deaths in the US or something? Ending the pandemic would be useful, too." For me the benefit would be that it does help reduce transmission and catching it.. also their are many teens living with vulnerable people. And this would help further. As to if I think 6 months is a but far. Well I've not seen enough evidence either way. However my daughter in law had her vaccine a few weeks ago.. and gave birth recently... so I'm sure some immunity must have crossed over... For all that I love the logging on and looking at information online.. in some ways I feel that there is too much out their...and its hard to pick the whole truth from all the information and misinformation. I barely read the news and have been relying mostly on medical journals and reviews | |||
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"Our governent state that you can still get it you still infect others without having any symptoms you still have to social distance and Wear a mask so exactly what protection is everyone talking about ?????" reduced severity and it does lower the risk of catching and transmitting. Just not 100%... so till enough of us are protected we have to keep following the rules. | |||
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"I wonder what benefit exactly there is in jabbing 12 to 15 year old kids? How many have been hospitalised, died or have long covid? I'm far from convinced it's necessary or beneficial. Deaths, hospitalisations, and long Covid have happened. I think I heard 500 paediatric deaths in the US or something? Ending the pandemic would be useful, too. For me the benefit would be that it does help reduce transmission and catching it.. also their are many teens living with vulnerable people. And this would help further. As to if I think 6 months is a but far. Well I've not seen enough evidence either way. However my daughter in law had her vaccine a few weeks ago.. and gave birth recently... so I'm sure some immunity must have crossed over... For all that I love the logging on and looking at information online.. in some ways I feel that there is too much out their...and its hard to pick the whole truth from all the information and misinformation. I barely read the news and have been relying mostly on medical journals and reviews " Yeah, I've been relying largely on public health experts and virologists. I only turn on the media to find out if laws have changed I might need to follow. I don't know what age will be approved, but they're investigating. Ultimately I trust the medical establishment - and, failing that, the medical establishments of many countries - to determine something with a favourable risk/benefit ratio. (Or in my case jump on a clinical trial. YOLO) | |||
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"I wonder what benefit exactly there is in jabbing 12 to 15 year old kids? How many have been hospitalised, died or have long covid? I'm far from convinced it's necessary or beneficial. Deaths, hospitalisations, and long Covid have happened. I think I heard 500 paediatric deaths in the US or something? Ending the pandemic would be useful, too." Like I said. How many 12 to 15s.? Lets see the science... There are so many mixed messages now. My kids are old enough to make there own choices. If they were in that age group I'd need a lot more scientific evidence that they were at risk, that there is benefit in them having it, and risks and Consequences of them having it. I personally feel this is just noise to make it seem a good thing. It's going to be October / November earliest before all adults are done... Then booster jabs for winter... Just not seeing why how or when... Sceptic over here.! | |||
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"I wonder what benefit exactly there is in jabbing 12 to 15 year old kids? How many have been hospitalised, died or have long covid? I'm far from convinced it's necessary or beneficial. Deaths, hospitalisations, and long Covid have happened. I think I heard 500 paediatric deaths in the US or something? Ending the pandemic would be useful, too. Like I said. How many 12 to 15s.? Lets see the science... There are so many mixed messages now. My kids are old enough to make there own choices. If they were in that age group I'd need a lot more scientific evidence that they were at risk, that there is benefit in them having it, and risks and Consequences of them having it. I personally feel this is just noise to make it seem a good thing. It's going to be October / November earliest before all adults are done... Then booster jabs for winter... Just not seeing why how or when... Sceptic over here.! " I don't know. I'm glad it's an option. Plus, it's not just about the person getting the vaccine. I've had the MMR jab however many times (got a bonus one before I left for the UK given the high rates of measles here at the time). Rubella is incredibly mild except for unborn babies, I gather. And yet - I've had that part of that jab several times. I do my bit to protect against birth defects, even as I carry on through life doubling up on birth control. | |||
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"I wonder what benefit exactly there is in jabbing 12 to 15 year old kids? How many have been hospitalised, died or have long covid? I'm far from convinced it's necessary or beneficial. Deaths, hospitalisations, and long Covid have happened. I think I heard 500 paediatric deaths in the US or something? Ending the pandemic would be useful, too. Like I said. How many 12 to 15s.? Lets see the science... There are so many mixed messages now. My kids are old enough to make there own choices. If they were in that age group I'd need a lot more scientific evidence that they were at risk, that there is benefit in them having it, and risks and Consequences of them having it. I personally feel this is just noise to make it seem a good thing. It's going to be October / November earliest before all adults are done... Then booster jabs for winter... Just not seeing why how or when... Sceptic over here.! I don't know. I'm glad it's an option. Plus, it's not just about the person getting the vaccine. I've had the MMR jab however many times (got a bonus one before I left for the UK given the high rates of measles here at the time). Rubella is incredibly mild except for unborn babies, I gather. And yet - I've had that part of that jab several times. I do my bit to protect against birth defects, even as I carry on through life doubling up on birth control." Yeah...but no... But... I kind of think of it as... Would you give a kid a nurofen if they have no need? I think, like most things in this pandemic, it just needs solid incontrovertible evidence and better communication. Make the case and let parents decide. | |||
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"I wonder what benefit exactly there is in jabbing 12 to 15 year old kids? How many have been hospitalised, died or have long covid? I'm far from convinced it's necessary or beneficial. Deaths, hospitalisations, and long Covid have happened. I think I heard 500 paediatric deaths in the US or something? Ending the pandemic would be useful, too. Like I said. How many 12 to 15s.? Lets see the science... There are so many mixed messages now. My kids are old enough to make there own choices. If they were in that age group I'd need a lot more scientific evidence that they were at risk, that there is benefit in them having it, and risks and Consequences of them having it. I personally feel this is just noise to make it seem a good thing. It's going to be October / November earliest before all adults are done... Then booster jabs for winter... Just not seeing why how or when... Sceptic over here.! I don't know. I'm glad it's an option. Plus, it's not just about the person getting the vaccine. I've had the MMR jab however many times (got a bonus one before I left for the UK given the high rates of measles here at the time). Rubella is incredibly mild except for unborn babies, I gather. And yet - I've had that part of that jab several times. I do my bit to protect against birth defects, even as I carry on through life doubling up on birth control. Yeah...but no... But... I kind of think of it as... Would you give a kid a nurofen if they have no need? I think, like most things in this pandemic, it just needs solid incontrovertible evidence and better communication. Make the case and let parents decide. " Why would I as a woman who does not and will not have children need to stop the spread of rubella, which is only a problem in pregnancy? I have no skin in the game. (Fortunately I don't think like that) Bits and pieces I hear from the science communicators include long Covid causing lasting cognitive and athletic decline in younger teenagers (this is from my memory and I doubt that, for privacy reasons, they're "real" rather than typical cases). Source will be This Week in Virology clinical updates, which ones I can't remember. Off the top of my head again. Ultimately the evidence would need to be stacked up for the regulators - risk versus benefit. That's how any of this works. Then yes, it would be the decision of parents. | |||
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"Our governent state that you can still get it you still infect others without having any symptoms you still have to social distance and Wear a mask so exactly what protection is everyone talking about ????? A reduction in severity if you do catch it, hopefully keeping you out of hospital and potentially saving your life." Oh OK just wondering why people have still caught it weeks after the second dose | |||
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"Great news...another positive step it is great news... my 15 year old can't wait x They're doing studies down to six months old
Six month old
Yup
Brilliant, isn't it
Injecting a 6 month old baby with a covid vaccine.
You brilliant isn't it quote shows you are not a parent.
6 month
Struggling to get my head around why someone would think its ok.
Because I would want the very best in preventative medical care for my child?
My goodness, how monstrous
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"I wonder what benefit exactly there is in jabbing 12 to 15 year old kids? How many have been hospitalised, died or have long covid? I'm far from convinced it's necessary or beneficial. Deaths, hospitalisations, and long Covid have happened. I think I heard 500 paediatric deaths in the US or something? Ending the pandemic would be useful, too. Like I said. How many 12 to 15s.? Lets see the science... There are so many mixed messages now. My kids are old enough to make there own choices. If they were in that age group I'd need a lot more scientific evidence that they were at risk, that there is benefit in them having it, and risks and Consequences of them having it. I personally feel this is just noise to make it seem a good thing. It's going to be October / November earliest before all adults are done... Then booster jabs for winter... Just not seeing why how or when... Sceptic over here.! I don't know. I'm glad it's an option. Plus, it's not just about the person getting the vaccine. I've had the MMR jab however many times (got a bonus one before I left for the UK given the high rates of measles here at the time). Rubella is incredibly mild except for unborn babies, I gather. And yet - I've had that part of that jab several times. I do my bit to protect against birth defects, even as I carry on through life doubling up on birth control. Yeah...but no... But... I kind of think of it as... Would you give a kid a nurofen if they have no need? I think, like most things in this pandemic, it just needs solid incontrovertible evidence and better communication. Make the case and let parents decide. Why would I as a woman who does not and will not have children need to stop the spread of rubella, which is only a problem in pregnancy? I have no skin in the game. (Fortunately I don't think like that) Bits and pieces I hear from the science communicators include long Covid causing lasting cognitive and athletic decline in younger teenagers (this is from my memory and I doubt that, for privacy reasons, they're "real" rather than typical cases). Source will be This Week in Virology clinical updates, which ones I can't remember. Off the top of my head again. Ultimately the evidence would need to be stacked up for the regulators - risk versus benefit. That's how any of this works. Then yes, it would be the decision of parents." I know of 2 people with long covid... One a man 60 had it in jan and is still suffering emotional and cognitive issues. The other a 20 year old who got it in October. And is suffering emotional and cognitive issues. It's a scary thing. | |||
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"I wonder what benefit exactly there is in jabbing 12 to 15 year old kids? How many have been hospitalised, died or have long covid? I'm far from convinced it's necessary or beneficial. Deaths, hospitalisations, and long Covid have happened. I think I heard 500 paediatric deaths in the US or something? Ending the pandemic would be useful, too. Like I said. How many 12 to 15s.? Lets see the science... There are so many mixed messages now. My kids are old enough to make there own choices. If they were in that age group I'd need a lot more scientific evidence that they were at risk, that there is benefit in them having it, and risks and Consequences of them having it. I personally feel this is just noise to make it seem a good thing. It's going to be October / November earliest before all adults are done... Then booster jabs for winter... Just not seeing why how or when... Sceptic over here.! I don't know. I'm glad it's an option. Plus, it's not just about the person getting the vaccine. I've had the MMR jab however many times (got a bonus one before I left for the UK given the high rates of measles here at the time). Rubella is incredibly mild except for unborn babies, I gather. And yet - I've had that part of that jab several times. I do my bit to protect against birth defects, even as I carry on through life doubling up on birth control. Yeah...but no... But... I kind of think of it as... Would you give a kid a nurofen if they have no need? I think, like most things in this pandemic, it just needs solid incontrovertible evidence and better communication. Make the case and let parents decide. Why would I as a woman who does not and will not have children need to stop the spread of rubella, which is only a problem in pregnancy? I have no skin in the game. (Fortunately I don't think like that) Bits and pieces I hear from the science communicators include long Covid causing lasting cognitive and athletic decline in younger teenagers (this is from my memory and I doubt that, for privacy reasons, they're "real" rather than typical cases). Source will be This Week in Virology clinical updates, which ones I can't remember. Off the top of my head again. Ultimately the evidence would need to be stacked up for the regulators - risk versus benefit. That's how any of this works. Then yes, it would be the decision of parents. I know of 2 people with long covid... One a man 60 had it in jan and is still suffering emotional and cognitive issues. The other a 20 year old who got it in October. And is suffering emotional and cognitive issues. It's a scary thing. " It is. And to protect people from it is important. | |||
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"I’m very pro vaccine but I’m not convinced we should be giving the vaccines to our under 30s until the rest of the world catch up. The vaccines come with a negligible risk but the risk of Covid to the under 30s is negligible too, perhaps even less. The right thing to do is get the worlds vulnerable population vaccinated first. I don’t buy the mutations argument, we are just as much at risk from vaccine evading mutations that arise elsewhere in the world as those that might arise in our own young ones. " There's certainly that to be said, but I don't think vaccine nationalism is going anywhere anytime soon. | |||
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"I wonder if the OP has children, none of my kids will be getting any sort of jab, If it’s for a condition That is not life threatening to them. I don’t understand the need to give artificial drugs to children as young as six month old, it’s far from natural and seems massively unnecessary, How many kids have actually died from this, if so what age range because I haven’t seen anything reported My kids will be having it. I would hope my grandkids too. If we can eradicate this via vaccination as we did small pox it's going to be worth it. The vaccine is much safer than catching covid ..and while it's a small risk . If it mutates when all the adults are vaccinated it could leave the children very vulnerable. " Erm if it mutates chances are it won't matter who's vaccinated as well it's mutated to a different strain.... | |||
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"I wonder if the OP has children, none of my kids will be getting any sort of jab, If it’s for a condition That is not life threatening to them. I don’t understand the need to give artificial drugs to children as young as six month old, it’s far from natural and seems massively unnecessary, How many kids have actually died from this, if so what age range because I haven’t seen anything reported My kids will be having it. I would hope my grandkids too. If we can eradicate this via vaccination as we did small pox it's going to be worth it. The vaccine is much safer than catching covid ..and while it's a small risk . If it mutates when all the adults are vaccinated it could leave the children very vulnerable. Erm if it mutates chances are it won't matter who's vaccinated as well it's mutated to a different strain...." So far variants are largely still targeted by vaccines. It's believed that there's limits to how much these viruses can meaningfully mutate and/or that they mutate slower than influenza viruses | |||
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"I wonder if the OP has children, none of my kids will be getting any sort of jab, If it’s for a condition That is not life threatening to them. I don’t understand the need to give artificial drugs to children as young as six month old, it’s far from natural and seems massively unnecessary, How many kids have actually died from this, if so what age range because I haven’t seen anything reported My kids will be having it. I would hope my grandkids too. If we can eradicate this via vaccination as we did small pox it's going to be worth it. The vaccine is much safer than catching covid ..and while it's a small risk . If it mutates when all the adults are vaccinated it could leave the children very vulnerable. Erm if it mutates chances are it won't matter who's vaccinated as well it's mutated to a different strain.... So far variants are largely still targeted by vaccines. It's believed that there's limits to how much these viruses can meaningfully mutate and/or that they mutate slower than influenza viruses" Using the flu as an example that's why vulnerable people only need to be vaccinated every few years.... Oh wait that's wrong! | |||
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"I wonder if the OP has children, none of my kids will be getting any sort of jab, If it’s for a condition That is not life threatening to them. I don’t understand the need to give artificial drugs to children as young as six month old, it’s far from natural and seems massively unnecessary, How many kids have actually died from this, if so what age range because I haven’t seen anything reported My kids will be having it. I would hope my grandkids too. If we can eradicate this via vaccination as we did small pox it's going to be worth it. The vaccine is much safer than catching covid ..and while it's a small risk . If it mutates when all the adults are vaccinated it could leave the children very vulnerable. Erm if it mutates chances are it won't matter who's vaccinated as well it's mutated to a different strain.... So far variants are largely still targeted by vaccines. It's believed that there's limits to how much these viruses can meaningfully mutate and/or that they mutate slower than influenza viruses Using the flu as an example that's why vulnerable people only need to be vaccinated every few years.... Oh wait that's wrong! " Flu is believed to have higher antigenic drift than Covid | |||
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"I wonder if the OP has children, none of my kids will be getting any sort of jab, If it’s for a condition That is not life threatening to them. I don’t understand the need to give artificial drugs to children as young as six month old, it’s far from natural and seems massively unnecessary, How many kids have actually died from this, if so what age range because I haven’t seen anything reported My kids will be having it. I would hope my grandkids too. If we can eradicate this via vaccination as we did small pox it's going to be worth it. The vaccine is much safer than catching covid ..and while it's a small risk . If it mutates when all the adults are vaccinated it could leave the children very vulnerable. Erm if it mutates chances are it won't matter who's vaccinated as well it's mutated to a different strain.... So far variants are largely still targeted by vaccines. It's believed that there's limits to how much these viruses can meaningfully mutate and/or that they mutate slower than influenza viruses Using the flu as an example that's why vulnerable people only need to be vaccinated every few years.... Oh wait that's wrong! Flu is believed to have higher antigenic drift than Covid "Yes but Covid does mutate hence it being around for years. Just this is a particularly bad variant. We might have one or 2 small mutations until one much worse evolves. | |||
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"I wonder what benefit exactly there is in jabbing 12 to 15 year old kids? How many have been hospitalised, died or have long covid? I'm far from convinced it's necessary or beneficial. " surely being jabbed before the opportunity for exposure is the beneficial part? much like the point of the hpv vaccine going to teenagers before they are exposed to it naturally in life via sex? | |||
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"Great news...another positive step it is great news... my 15 year old can't wait x They're doing studies down to six months old
Six month old
Yup
Brilliant, isn't it
No it’s not.
You don’t even have kids so I don’t know why you are so gleeful about babies as young as 6 months having the vaccine.
Because I care about children.
I'm allowed an opinion, last I checked. Sorry if that upsets you.
We're all welcome to our own opinions. My opinion is I'd do anything to keep away from you and people like you personally
Me too.
It’s alright for the women that doesn’t even have kids so no personal experience of being a parent or how it feels to be jumping for joy that they want to vaccinate them and as young as 6 months. "You are aware children as young as 2 months have vaccines in the UK right? | |||
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"I wonder if the OP has children, none of my kids will be getting any sort of jab, If it’s for a condition That is not life threatening to them. I don’t understand the need to give artificial drugs to children as young as six month old, it’s far from natural and seems massively unnecessary, How many kids have actually died from this, if so what age range because I haven’t seen anything reported My kids will be having it. I would hope my grandkids too. If we can eradicate this via vaccination as we did small pox it's going to be worth it. The vaccine is much safer than catching covid ..and while it's a small risk . If it mutates when all the adults are vaccinated it could leave the children very vulnerable. " Both my children have said if they can have it they want it x | |||
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"Great news...another positive step it is great news... my 15 year old can't wait x They're doing studies down to six months old
Six month old
Yup
Brilliant, isn't it
No it’s not.
You don’t even have kids so I don’t know why you are so gleeful about babies as young as 6 months having the vaccine.
Because I care about children.
I'm allowed an opinion, last I checked. Sorry if that upsets you.
We're all welcome to our own opinions. My opinion is I'd do anything to keep away from you and people like you personally
Me too.
It’s alright for the women that doesn’t even have kids so no personal experience of being a parent or how it feels to be jumping for joy that they want to vaccinate them and as young as 6 months.
You are aware children as young as 2 months have vaccines in the UK right?"Clearly as I have children of my own and live in the U.K. | |||
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"Babies already have vaccines at 6 months and under, so you people acting horrified need to keep up. " Errrrrrr think it took 10 to 15 yrs to develop them with plenty of clinical trials and control groups ... not 10 months and tested on 20 ferrets that the majority died .... dear me | |||
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"Babies already have vaccines at 6 months and under, so you people acting horrified need to keep up. Errrrrrr think it took 10 to 15 yrs to develop them with plenty of clinical trials and control groups ... not 10 months and tested on 20 ferrets that the majority died .... dear me " Indeed. They are also to vaccinate against diseases that are a risk to the child. Unlike Covid 19. I've had both my jabs, but would not be giving a Covid Jab to a child too young to decide for themselves. My youngest is 16 and would have one and that's fine. My eldest is 20 and has already had both his. Both had all their childhood vaccines on schedule. I'm not anti-vax at all. But this IS experimental, more so for those pre-puberty. The fact that it's only approved for emergency use is a technicality as the pandemic is classed as an emergency situation. It just means there is no comeback on the regulators if it is later found to cause issues. | |||
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"Only a parent could understand the fear and horror with this The fear and horror of... The choice being offered to people?" If you have a very much loved relative. Gran, cousin, someone a bit frail. Say they are at risk of a virus that is killing some people but having little effect on others. Say there is a vaccine that causes serious effects with some people and protects others. The risk is unknown with vaccine or virus in this hypothetical situation. How would you make the decision for what they should do? | |||
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"Only a parent could understand the fear and horror with this The fear and horror of... The choice being offered to people?" So by definition, no pre-teen should have one as they cannot make that choice themselves. It's governments role to protect those too young to make decisions. That includes from parents that have been stirred up into a frenzy of fear by the media for the past 15 months. | |||
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"Only a parent could understand the fear and horror with this The fear and horror of... The choice being offered to people? So by definition, no pre-teen should have one as they cannot make that choice themselves. It's governments role to protect those too young to make decisions. That includes from parents that have been stirred up into a frenzy of fear by the media for the past 15 months." I mean, if a government exists that disapproves of the vaccines, then they might do that. | |||
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"Only a parent could understand the fear and horror with this The fear and horror of... The choice being offered to people? If you have a very much loved relative. Gran, cousin, someone a bit frail. Say they are at risk of a virus that is killing some people but having little effect on others. Say there is a vaccine that causes serious effects with some people and protects others. The risk is unknown with vaccine or virus in this hypothetical situation. How would you make the decision for what they should do? " With someone elderly of frail, it's an easy decision based on probability. In these cases, the chance of a bad outcome from Covid are higher than the chance of a bad outcome from vaccinations, even factoring in the unknowns. With children, especially younger ones, there is practically no risk from Covid. And a higher unknown risk from the vaccine. | |||
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"Only a parent could understand the fear and horror with this The fear and horror of... The choice being offered to people? If you have a very much loved relative. Gran, cousin, someone a bit frail. Say they are at risk of a virus that is killing some people but having little effect on others. Say there is a vaccine that causes serious effects with some people and protects others. The risk is unknown with vaccine or virus in this hypothetical situation. How would you make the decision for what they should do? " I'd ask the experts and follow the science. I'd follow relevant science communicators. I'd look at the numbers. ... It's exactly what I've done. | |||
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"Only a parent could understand the fear and horror with this The fear and horror of... The choice being offered to people? If you have a very much loved relative. Gran, cousin, someone a bit frail. Say they are at risk of a virus that is killing some people but having little effect on others. Say there is a vaccine that causes serious effects with some people and protects others. The risk is unknown with vaccine or virus in this hypothetical situation. How would you make the decision for what they should do? I'd ask the experts and follow the science. I'd follow relevant science communicators. I'd look at the numbers. ... It's exactly what I've done. Does science ever evolve? As in they think A one day, but months later they find out it's B? At the start of last year they didn't know much about covid. They have discovered new things about it in the last 18 months. They used to think smoking was cool and safe. They discovered anaesthesia and people having operations now don't have the same experience as 100 years ago." It does evolve, but from base line. The people I rely most on didn't think Covid would be a big deal - they changed their mind. They weren't sure it was logistically possible to get vaccines this quickly - the data exists and speaks for itself Things have been tested, evolved, we now know more - fomite transmission has gone way down; transmission risk from the fully vaccinated is now believed to be negligible But some things don't seem to change much - no vaccine (ever) has caused side effects which *began* after two months, which means that we have over a year of data from Pfizer volunteers. The science has been well scrutinised. A lot of it is open access, a lot of it has been broken down in more accessible ways for the public. I continue to look into the science, and, actually, I remain the go to for my vulnerable relative (made vulnerable by a flu vaccine when I was a toddler), as well as those I serve in my community. It's a responsibility I take seriously. | |||
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"Only a parent could understand the fear and horror with this The fear and horror of... The choice being offered to people? If you have a very much loved relative. Gran, cousin, someone a bit frail. Say they are at risk of a virus that is killing some people but having little effect on others. Say there is a vaccine that causes serious effects with some people and protects others. The risk is unknown with vaccine or virus in this hypothetical situation. How would you make the decision for what they should do? I'd ask the experts and follow the science. I'd follow relevant science communicators. I'd look at the numbers. ... It's exactly what I've done. Does science ever evolve? As in they think A one day, but months later they find out it's B? At the start of last year they didn't know much about covid. They have discovered new things about it in the last 18 months. They used to think smoking was cool and safe. They discovered anaesthesia and people having operations now don't have the same experience as 100 years ago. It does evolve, but from base line. The people I rely most on didn't think Covid would be a big deal - they changed their mind. They weren't sure it was logistically possible to get vaccines this quickly - the data exists and speaks for itself Things have been tested, evolved, we now know more - fomite transmission has gone way down; transmission risk from the fully vaccinated is now believed to be negligible *** But some things don't seem to change much - no vaccine (ever) has caused side effects which *began* after two months, which means that we have over a year of data from Pfizer volunteers. *** The science has been well scrutinised. A lot of it is open access, a lot of it has been broken down in more accessible ways for the public. I continue to look into the science, and, actually, I remain the go to for my vulnerable relative (made vulnerable by a flu vaccine when I was a toddler), as well as those I serve in my community. It's a responsibility I take seriously." Sorry if it seems like I'm being arsey, it's not intentional. I'm interested and also trying to see if you can see it from other people's viewpoints.
*** Is that true?
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"Babies already have vaccines at 6 months and under, so you people acting horrified need to keep up. Errrrrrr think it took 10 to 15 yrs to develop them with plenty of clinical trials and control groups ... not 10 months and tested on 20 ferrets that the majority died .... dear me " Complete and utter BS | |||
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"Only a parent could understand the fear and horror with this The fear and horror of... The choice being offered to people? If you have a very much loved relative. Gran, cousin, someone a bit frail. Say they are at risk of a virus that is killing some people but having little effect on others. Say there is a vaccine that causes serious effects with some people and protects others. The risk is unknown with vaccine or virus in this hypothetical situation. How would you make the decision for what they should do? I'd ask the experts and follow the science. I'd follow relevant science communicators. I'd look at the numbers. ... It's exactly what I've done. Does science ever evolve? As in they think A one day, but months later they find out it's B? At the start of last year they didn't know much about covid. They have discovered new things about it in the last 18 months. They used to think smoking was cool and safe. They discovered anaesthesia and people having operations now don't have the same experience as 100 years ago. It does evolve, but from base line. The people I rely most on didn't think Covid would be a big deal - they changed their mind. They weren't sure it was logistically possible to get vaccines this quickly - the data exists and speaks for itself Things have been tested, evolved, we now know more - fomite transmission has gone way down; transmission risk from the fully vaccinated is now believed to be negligible *** But some things don't seem to change much - no vaccine (ever) has caused side effects which *began* after two months, which means that we have over a year of data from Pfizer volunteers. *** The science has been well scrutinised. A lot of it is open access, a lot of it has been broken down in more accessible ways for the public. I continue to look into the science, and, actually, I remain the go to for my vulnerable relative (made vulnerable by a flu vaccine when I was a toddler), as well as those I serve in my community. It's a responsibility I take seriously. Sorry if it seems like I'm being arsey, it's not intentional. I'm interested and also trying to see if you can see it from other people's viewpoints.
*** Is that true?
Sorry about your relative. You do have experience of issues with vaccines. So you understand more than many people as you have experienced it. "I do, of course I do. And I've been dogpiled for saying it's available - and yes, despite my experience which has been 30+ years of my relative's medical fragility (I don't remember them fit and well), I would get my hypothetical children vaccinated. It's also why I signed up to a clinical trial with only months of data on only 150 people - to protect that relative, or others like them. I've quite literally put my body on the line for them. And not because it's a traditional vaccine - I've tried to get on vaccine trials for close to a year now. I don't care what type it is, I want to help. The best science available says that this is overwhelmingly safe across the population, and probably, even in children, safer than Covid. It's the only reason why authorities would approve it that makes any rational sense. Which is not blind faith on my part, I've been reading papers and listening to science communicators for over a year now. Unfortunately the fact that I know a thing or two about research, the research method, critical thinking etc, and I'm familiar with a lot of the stories that "the great mavericks" peddle - it's construed as being one of the sheep, sucking up to the BBC and believing the Tories. Do I hell | |||
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"Only a parent could understand the fear and horror with this The fear and horror of... The choice being offered to people? If you have a very much loved relative. Gran, cousin, someone a bit frail. Say they are at risk of a virus that is killing some people but having little effect on others. Say there is a vaccine that causes serious effects with some people and protects others. The risk is unknown with vaccine or virus in this hypothetical situation. How would you make the decision for what they should do? I'd ask the experts and follow the science. I'd follow relevant science communicators. I'd look at the numbers. ... It's exactly what I've done. Does science ever evolve? As in they think A one day, but months later they find out it's B? At the start of last year they didn't know much about covid. They have discovered new things about it in the last 18 months. They used to think smoking was cool and safe. They discovered anaesthesia and people having operations now don't have the same experience as 100 years ago. It does evolve, but from base line. The people I rely most on didn't think Covid would be a big deal - they changed their mind. They weren't sure it was logistically possible to get vaccines this quickly - the data exists and speaks for itself Things have been tested, evolved, we now know more - fomite transmission has gone way down; transmission risk from the fully vaccinated is now believed to be negligible *** But some things don't seem to change much - no vaccine (ever) has caused side effects which *began* after two months, which means that we have over a year of data from Pfizer volunteers. *** The science has been well scrutinised. A lot of it is open access, a lot of it has been broken down in more accessible ways for the public. I continue to look into the science, and, actually, I remain the go to for my vulnerable relative (made vulnerable by a flu vaccine when I was a toddler), as well as those I serve in my community. It's a responsibility I take seriously. Sorry if it seems like I'm being arsey, it's not intentional. I'm interested and also trying to see if you can see it from other people's viewpoints.
*** Is that true?
Sorry about your relative. You do have experience of issues with vaccines. So you understand more than many people as you have experienced it.
I do, of course I do. And I've been dogpiled for saying it's available - and yes, despite my experience which has been 30+ years of my relative's medical fragility (I don't remember them fit and well), I would get my hypothetical children vaccinated. It's also why I signed up to a clinical trial with only months of data on only 150 people - to protect that relative, or others like them. I've quite literally put my body on the line for them. And not because it's a traditional vaccine - I've tried to get on vaccine trials for close to a year now. I don't care what type it is, I want to help.
The best science available says that this is overwhelmingly safe across the population, and probably, even in children, safer than Covid. It's the only reason why authorities would approve it that makes any rational sense. Which is not blind faith on my part, I've been reading papers and listening to science communicators for over a year now.
Unfortunately the fact that I know a thing or two about research, the research method, critical thinking etc, and I'm familiar with a lot of the stories that "the great mavericks" peddle - it's construed as being one of the sheep, sucking up to the BBC and believing the Tories. Do I hell "I sometimes wonder how many people shouting about wanting 'evidence' will actually put themselves forward for clinical trials!! Probably not many. They want someone else to take the risk. 
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"*** I heard the claim on This Week in Virology, the episode where they interviewed Paul Offit. Paul Offit is on the approval board for the Covid vaccines and has been involved in the invention of some - he's an impressive vaccine expert. If I recall correctly he actually said six weeks, but I have since heard two months, so I've softened what I said. Ultimately it's about, who do you trust, what do you trust? I think the burden of evidence - that there's a scientific consensus, by and large, that multiple approval bodies are coming to similar conclusions - is pretty overwhelming." I agree about who can you trust. I think that's the issue though. The government have been pretty shit about some things and lied about others. Scientists may or may not lie but they learn new things all the time. So even if they know A now, they may discover B in a few weeks. I think many people are just plain scared. They feel damned if they do and damned if they don't. Like someone said the other day, like we are in a thunderstorm wondering if we will be the one hit by lightning. | |||
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"*** I heard the claim on This Week in Virology, the episode where they interviewed Paul Offit. Paul Offit is on the approval board for the Covid vaccines and has been involved in the invention of some - he's an impressive vaccine expert. If I recall correctly he actually said six weeks, but I have since heard two months, so I've softened what I said. Ultimately it's about, who do you trust, what do you trust? I think the burden of evidence - that there's a scientific consensus, by and large, that multiple approval bodies are coming to similar conclusions - is pretty overwhelming. I agree about who can you trust. I think that's the issue though. The government have been pretty shit about some things and lied about others. Scientists may or may not lie but they learn new things all the time. So even if they know A now, they may discover B in a few weeks. I think many people are just plain scared. They feel damned if they do and damned if they don't. Like someone said the other day, like we are in a thunderstorm wondering if we will be the one hit by lightning. " I'm scared too, and if Boris told me that grass was green, I'd ask for a test on my colour blindness at my next eye test. I took my fear, in March last year, and went down a rabbit hole. My training is in history for Christ's sake, in February last year I couldn't have told you what a receptor binding domain was (is it related to historical reception? I jest). I began with a simple Google search. "Best public health university UK" Who are the people who know wtf is going on, and what are they saying? How do I protect myself and those I love? (And then, as I say, I fell down a rabbit hole) At all times I try to follow the best science I can access, to make the most informed decisions I can. Risk mitigation, responsibility. Trust in authority is at an all time low. I totally get that. But ultimately - who are the people best equipped to get us through this? Who are the people who know the most about infectious disease, public health? I turn to them. | |||
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