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By *ittleMissCali OP Woman
over a year ago
trouble most likely, or creating it :) |
Now showing all the tests you have had as well as the vaccine.
Not checked since the vaccine information went on, but now it shows all the tests you have registered as well as what and when you had your vaccine
And has trial event passport as well as the travel passport. |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke. |
It's been there for quite a while now.
Do double-check the details however they have a batch number error on mine and nobody seems to know who it is that has to correct it.
Remember it may IT, but it's still humans that put in the data. |
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By *ittleMissCali OP Woman
over a year ago
trouble most likely, or creating it :) |
"This is nothing to do with covid and vaccinations. It's cover for a compulsory ID scheme which will track you, and require scanning-in in public premises. I will never download this spyware."
that's not the nhs app... the app that you require to log in with is the nhs covid app.
The nhs app is what your medical details are on. Shows my other vaccinations too..and my hospital appointments etc |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke. |
"This is nothing to do with covid and vaccinations. It's cover for a compulsory ID scheme which will track you, and require scanning-in in public premises. I will never download this spyware. that's not the nhs app... the app that you require to log in with is the nhs covid app.
The nhs app is what your medical details are on. Shows my other vaccinations too..and my hospital appointments etc"
Yup. Two different apps.  |
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By *ynecplCouple
over a year ago
London (till 19th May) |
"This is nothing to do with covid and vaccinations. It's cover for a compulsory ID scheme which will track you, and require scanning-in in public premises. I will never download this spyware."
In which case I assume you don't have Internet banking, pay everything by cash. Don't have a mobile phone or do anything online? Oh wait you are on Fab.
There are far easier ways of tracking your movements than using the NHS covid app. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"This is nothing to do with covid and vaccinations. It's cover for a compulsory ID scheme which will track you, and require scanning-in in public premises. I will never download this spyware.
In which case I assume you don't have Internet banking, pay everything by cash. Don't have a mobile phone or do anything online? Oh wait you are on Fab.
There are far easier ways of tracking your movements than using the NHS covid app."
My thoughts exactly but you beat me to it.  |
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"This is nothing to do with covid and vaccinations. It's cover for a compulsory ID scheme which will track you, and require scanning-in in public premises. I will never download this spyware."
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Its clearly not about tracking people's movements. However this app has everyone's medical details handily all in one place as well as vaccination details. This has never been done before.
This creeping, insidious intrusion into everyones medical details is very useful for governments, insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies. Please people wake up to what is happening |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke. |
"Its clearly not about tracking people's movements. However this app has everyone's medical details handily all in one place as well as vaccination details. This has never been done before.
This creeping, insidious intrusion into everyones medical details is very useful for governments, insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies. Please people wake up to what is happening "
Which you can withdraw from or not sign up to at any time. |
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"Its clearly not about tracking people's movements. However this app has everyone's medical details handily all in one place as well as vaccination details. This has never been done before.
This creeping, insidious intrusion into everyones medical details is very useful for governments, insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies. Please people wake up to what is happening "
Rather than telling us to wake up, which seems unhelpful and condescending (as though we're oblivious and perhaps a bit stupid), why not explain your concerns and present your evidence? |
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"In which case I assume you don't have Internet banking, pay everything by cash. Don't have a mobile phone or do anything online? Oh wait you are on Fab.
There are far easier ways of tracking your movements than using the NHS covid app."
Internet banking is a choice if you want it online or not.
Not paying by cash can soon get you into debt easily its the same for direct debit you can loose track of your outgoing payments.
Mobile phone only works if you are paying for it by credit card or by direct debit, otherwise its just a burner phone you can throw it away.
What you search online is by your own choice not being dumped with adverts.
Yes the nhs app is tracking you as it hasnt provided exactly what that app is doing on your phone unless you have turned it off. |
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What evidence do I need to show? Its before everyone's eyes in clear daylight. The government has developed an app which contains everyones medical history on it and combined it with a travel passport and uk event passport
What more evidence do I need to present. Ask yourself, who gains from such an app and why?
Ask yourself why the general population won't gain from such an app, even if they are up to date on the jabs they are supposed to take.
I realise the app isn't mandatory now, but it wouldn't take much to make it enforceable.
Got to agree i might sound condescending but I'm frustrated by people's lack of concern and think they are sleepwalking into a dangerously authoritarian state in which gradually their long held freedoms are disappearing. The evidence for this is increasing everywhere you look |
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By *ynecplCouple
over a year ago
London (till 19th May) |
"Its clearly not about tracking people's movements. However this app has everyone's medical details handily all in one place as well as vaccination details. This has never been done before.
This creeping, insidious intrusion into everyones medical details is very useful for governments, insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies. Please people wake up to what is happening "
Which amazingly are already in one place on the NHS system which means they already have that data and wished to share your data with the pharmaceutical companies and insurance companies they already could.
Similarly insurance companies if they really want that information could just ask you for it. If you don't provide it they load your premiums or refuse to insure you. |
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By *ittleMissCali OP Woman
over a year ago
trouble most likely, or creating it :) |
"What evidence do I need to show? Its before everyone's eyes in clear daylight. The government has developed an app which contains everyones medical history on it and combined it with a travel passport and uk event passport
What more evidence do I need to present. Ask yourself, who gains from such an app and why?
Ask yourself why the general population won't gain from such an app, even if they are up to date on the jabs they are supposed to take.
I realise the app isn't mandatory now, but it wouldn't take much to make it enforceable.
Got to agree i might sound condescending but I'm frustrated by people's lack of concern and think they are sleepwalking into a dangerously authoritarian state in which gradually their long held freedoms are disappearing. The evidence for this is increasing everywhere you look"
I benefit from it greatly to be fair... it's been great for booking my appointments...and being able to check things.
It does not know where I'm going though. Hence the covid 19 track and trace app is separate from the nhs app. .. I do practically everything online..so I dont worry at all. |
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By *ynecplCouple
over a year ago
London (till 19th May) |
"In which case I assume you don't have Internet banking, pay everything by cash. Don't have a mobile phone or do anything online? Oh wait you are on Fab.
There are far easier ways of tracking your movements than using the NHS covid app.
Internet banking is a choice if you want it online or not.
Not paying by cash can soon get you into debt easily its the same for direct debit you can loose track of your outgoing payments.
Mobile phone only works if you are paying for it by credit card or by direct debit, otherwise its just a burner phone you can throw it away.
What you search online is by your own choice not being dumped with adverts.
Yes the nhs app is tracking you as it hasnt provided exactly what that app is doing on your phone unless you have turned it off."
The point was that there are many other ways of tracking the Government or some other organisations wished |
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"What evidence do I need to show? Its before everyone's eyes in clear daylight. The government has developed an app which contains everyones medical history on it and combined it with a travel passport and uk event passport
What more evidence do I need to present. Ask yourself, who gains from such an app and why?
Ask yourself why the general population won't gain from such an app, even if they are up to date on the jabs they are supposed to take.
I realise the app isn't mandatory now, but it wouldn't take much to make it enforceable.
Got to agree i might sound condescending but I'm frustrated by people's lack of concern and think they are sleepwalking into a dangerously authoritarian state in which gradually their long held freedoms are disappearing. The evidence for this is increasing everywhere you look"
Any evidence at all? An app has been developed which will reduce paperwork, clearly a government aim, and fees for official documents. There's a clear opt out for sharing of anonymised medical information, my medical information isn't on there at all, and robust rules and laws exist around medical privacy.
Looks perfectly logical and reasonable to me, in line with the way culture moves increasingly online.
So... Unless all you're trying to do is claim your intellectual superiority, please give us any evidence at all, not supposition. |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke. |
Make use of APP Permissions . . .
My NHS APP is set to allow: Storage.
and Deny:
Camera
Location
Microphone
Telephone.
You will have to do this manually (ask if you don't know how, will be pleased to show you on Android)
As far as 'sharing permissions with NHS staff' are concerned - each staff member that wishes to share info has to ask you for permission first. So say for example a kidney specialist wants to share your data with a blood specialist they have to ask first, and log why and for how long - this data will available to you - including the When. The Why, and The People, who are using it. |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke. |
"What evidence do I need to show? Its before everyone's eyes in clear daylight. The government has developed an app which contains everyones medical history on it and combined it with a travel passport and uk event passport
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Read my post above and . . .
Who benefits? You do.
Your care decisions will be better and more quickly made.
With regard to travel - you are tracked leaving and entering the country with your passport. The NHS care app does NOT track you - it is a tool for sharing relevant info with medical professionals. You can join it or withdraw from it at any time. |
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By *ddmanMan
over a year ago
Norwich |
In England, you can ring 119 (300 in wales) to get a covid status letter.
It appears to be the least privacy invasive way to do so.
https://covid-status.service.nhsx.nhs.uk/help/privacy-notice/ |
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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago
The South |
"In which case I assume you don't have Internet banking, pay everything by cash. Don't have a mobile phone or do anything online? Oh wait you are on Fab.
There are far easier ways of tracking your movements than using the NHS covid app.
Internet banking is a choice if you want it online or not.
Not paying by cash can soon get you into debt easily its the same for direct debit you can loose track of your outgoing payments.
Mobile phone only works if you are paying for it by credit card or by direct debit, otherwise its just a burner phone you can throw it away.
What you search online is by your own choice not being dumped with adverts.
Yes the nhs app is tracking you as it hasnt provided exactly what that app is doing on your phone unless you have turned it off."
The simple answer, given your choices above, would be to not download the NHS App.
Apart from which, you're very wrong in your interpretation of the information it holds and it's purpose.
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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago
The South |
"Its clearly not about tracking people's movements. However this app has everyone's medical details handily all in one place as well as vaccination details. This has never been done before.
This creeping, insidious intrusion into everyones medical details is very useful for governments, insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies. Please people wake up to what is happening
Which amazingly are already in one place on the NHS system which means they already have that data and wished to share your data with the pharmaceutical companies and insurance companies they already could.
Similarly insurance companies if they really want that information could just ask you for it. If you don't provide it they load your premiums or refuse to insure you. "
Cry shock horror, the NHS wants to store all my medical details on an App, oh the horror, the outrage, the incursion into my private life, they can give it to the government, or big pharma aggggggggghhhhhh!!!!!!!!
Er, they've already got all that info, they've had it for years.
It's an App. It'll sit on your phone.
Where doubtless many other Apps already sit, that you've given away more private data than the NHS one will ever ask for.
Weird logic at play.....
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"Its clearly not about tracking people's movements. However this app has everyone's medical details handily all in one place as well as vaccination details. This has never been done before.
This creeping, insidious intrusion into everyones medical details is very useful for governments, insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies. Please people wake up to what is happening
Which amazingly are already in one place on the NHS system which means they already have that data and wished to share your data with the pharmaceutical companies and insurance companies they already could.
Similarly insurance companies if they really want that information could just ask you for it. If you don't provide it they load your premiums or refuse to insure you.
Cry shock horror, the NHS wants to store all my medical details on an App, oh the horror, the outrage, the incursion into my private life, they can give it to the government, or big pharma aggggggggghhhhhh!!!!!!!!
Er, they've already got all that info, they've had it for years.
It's an App. It'll sit on your phone.
Where doubtless many other Apps already sit, that you've given away more private data than the NHS one will ever ask for.
Weird logic at play.....
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"This is nothing to do with covid and vaccinations. It's cover for a compulsory ID scheme which will track you, and require scanning-in in public premises. I will never download this spyware."
Yet you replied to the comment on a computer? Or mobile phone?
Hate to break it to you but your entire life has already been tracked..you cant escape it so just embrace it  |
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This creeping, insidious intrusion into everyones medical details is very useful for governments, insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies. Please people wake up to what is happening "
People are waking up and they are seeing the advantages outweigh the negatives! |
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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago
The South |
"Its clearly not about tracking people's movements. However this app has everyone's medical details handily all in one place as well as vaccination details. This has never been done before.
This creeping, insidious intrusion into everyones medical details is very useful for governments, insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies. Please people wake up to what is happening
Which amazingly are already in one place on the NHS system which means they already have that data and wished to share your data with the pharmaceutical companies and insurance companies they already could.
Similarly insurance companies if they really want that information could just ask you for it. If you don't provide it they load your premiums or refuse to insure you.
Cry shock horror, the NHS wants to store all my medical details on an App, oh the horror, the outrage, the incursion into my private life, they can give it to the government, or big pharma aggggggggghhhhhh!!!!!!!!
Er, they've already got all that info, they've had it for years.
It's an App. It'll sit on your phone.
Where doubtless many other Apps already sit, that you've given away more private data than the NHS one will ever ask for.
Weird logic at play.....
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Yeah, I gave the NHS all that information voluntarily."
Every time you visit your GP he records the details of your visit on a centralised data system.
I can remember visiting the GP with my late mother when I was much younger. We checked in at reception and were given a folder full of paperwork, every detail of her medical history.
Technical progress went from a paper, hard copy system to computer data storage. This App is simply the next step.
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"Its clearly not about tracking people's movements. However this app has everyone's medical details handily all in one place as well as vaccination details. This has never been done before.
This creeping, insidious intrusion into everyones medical details is very useful for governments, insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies. Please people wake up to what is happening
Rather than telling us to wake up, which seems unhelpful and condescending (as though we're oblivious and perhaps a bit stupid), why not explain your concerns and present your evidence?"
If the cap fits. |
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Every time you visit your GP he records the details of your visit on a centralised data system.
I can remember visiting the GP with my late mother when I was much younger. We checked in at reception and were given a folder full of paperwork, every detail of her medical history.
Technical progress went from a paper, hard copy system to computer data storage. This App is simply the next step.
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Not entirly true
Your gp records onto his own system not onto the direct centralized data system.
Only time it gets near the centrailised system is when a request is made for your area and all records are compiled without your consent.
The alternative where its direct is when your sent to the hospital and you fill out theref orms is it done direct
or have treatment within the hospital. |
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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago
The South |
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Every time you visit your GP he records the details of your visit on a centralised data system.
I can remember visiting the GP with my late mother when I was much younger. We checked in at reception and were given a folder full of paperwork, every detail of her medical history.
Technical progress went from a paper, hard copy system to computer data storage. This App is simply the next step.
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Not entirly true
Your gp records onto his own system not onto the direct centralized data system.
Only time it gets near the centrailised system is when a request is made for your area and all records are compiled without your consent.
The alternative where its direct is when your sent to the hospital and you fill out theref orms is it done direct
or have treatment within the hospital."
Even if that were accurate, and I'm not entirely sure it is, this app is going to do exactly the same.
So what's the problem?
Our specific personal information is protected by GDPR.
So what's the problem?
When I had my Covid vaccine they asked if they could share my information. I asked if that included name, address, age, NI number, NHS registration number?
No, only the relevant medical information.
Crack on son.
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By *ynecplCouple
over a year ago
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Every time you visit your GP he records the details of your visit on a centralised data system.
I can remember visiting the GP with my late mother when I was much younger. We checked in at reception and were given a folder full of paperwork, every detail of her medical history.
Technical progress went from a paper, hard copy system to computer data storage. This App is simply the next step.
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Not entirly true
Your gp records onto his own system not onto the direct centralized data system.
Only time it gets near the centrailised system is when a request is made for your area and all records are compiled without your consent.
The alternative where its direct is when your sent to the hospital and you fill out theref orms is it done direct
or have treatment within the hospital."
Wrong it is a central database system which has for privacy reason be restricted rather like at a lot of work places the folder access is restricted to only those that need access. Thus is the same you give consent and that area of the system becomes visible to the person in question. That is why the app is able to show you all YOUR data and only your data. |
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Every time you visit your GP he records the details of your visit on a centralised data system.
I can remember visiting the GP with my late mother when I was much younger. We checked in at reception and were given a folder full of paperwork, every detail of her medical history.
Technical progress went from a paper, hard copy system to computer data storage. This App is simply the next step.
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Not entirly true
Your gp records onto his own system not onto the direct centralized data system.
Only time it gets near the centrailised system is when a request is made for your area and all records are compiled without your consent.
The alternative where its direct is when your sent to the hospital and you fill out theref orms is it done direct
or have treatment within the hospital."
It may depend on your surgery as the app started rolling out in 2019. My surgery is connected so I can book appointments, get repeat prescriptions and view my entire medical history through the app. If anything happens, appointments etc, it automatically updates. |
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"All I can say is there are some extremely naive people on here. The government and future governments does not have your best interests at heart. "
Didn't say they did or do.
But as they say, that which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
You've provided no evidence |
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I hate to break it those scaremongering. We live in a technological age. As time goes on we are going to progress towards sci-fi style lifestyle. Possibly even the use of fantastic ground breaking means of doing so much in the blink of an eye
This is life! They can track us from space if they're so inclined! We're moving into newer and newer technology advances. If you're concerned about the NHS app now, then may I suggest jumping off s cliff now, because this is only going to become more and more the norm, it will benefit us all |
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"I hate to break it those scaremongering. We live in a technological age. As time goes on we are going to progress towards sci-fi style lifestyle. Possibly even the use of fantastic ground breaking means of doing so much in the blink of an eye
This is life! They can track us from space if they're so inclined! We're moving into newer and newer technology advances. If you're concerned about the NHS app now, then may I suggest jumping off s cliff now, because this is only going to become more and more the norm, it will benefit us all "
Or at least ditch your smart phone and any smart devices. The powers that be can already track us. |
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My god they are off again  if you don't want to use the apps don't bloody use them those of us that want to will still do so no matter what idiotic conspiracy theories you throw out there, your digital presence is already far greater than any of the info contained on these apps, every pic you take contains geo tag info unless turned off and I bet all of you have Facebook, Twitter and Instagram accounts that use location data, telling us to "wake up" is ridiculous we live in an age of technologies and information if you don't want to then opt out of everything and let others be. |
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"Oh crikey, they want information THEY ALREADY HAVE.
*Inserts Munch's Scream emoji...
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I've never known so many people get so offended over fuck all, covid has sent everyone insane  "
I think it has definately pulled them out of the wood work that's for sure what they don't realise is that if the goverment was really that intent on gathering their information everything they are posting would have already been collated and is just making them a bigger target |
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over a year ago
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"In which case I assume you don't have Internet banking, pay everything by cash. Don't have a mobile phone or do anything online? Oh wait you are on Fab.
There are far easier ways of tracking your movements than using the NHS covid app.
Internet banking is a choice if you want it online or not.
Not paying by cash can soon get you into debt easily its the same for direct debit you can loose track of your outgoing payments.
Mobile phone only works if you are paying for it by credit card or by direct debit, otherwise its just a burner phone you can throw it away.
What you search online is by your own choice not being dumped with adverts.
Yes the nhs app is tracking you as it hasnt provided exactly what that app is doing on your phone unless you have turned it off."
The NSH app and the covid app are two completely separate things. |
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Mobile phone only works if you are paying for it by credit card or by direct debit, otherwise its just a burner phone you can throw it away.
What you search online is by your own choice not being dumped with adverts.
Yes the nhs app is tracking you as it hasnt provided exactly what that app is doing on your phone unless you have turned it off.
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Your phone is doing more tracking than anything, unless you keep your data & location switched off all the time... and never give your phone number to anyone.
The Covid App on the other hand is actually "really dumb", it doesn't know where you are or who you are. It only knows if you Bluetooth has been close to someone else's Bluetooth, and that is only checked if a positive test is registered. If you uninstall & reinstall the app, it forgets everything that went before and gets a new "ID" |
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"This is nothing to do with covid and vaccinations. It's cover for a compulsory ID scheme which will track you, and require scanning-in in public premises. I will never download this spyware."
Best bin your phone now.. |
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over a year ago
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"All I can say is there are some extremely naive people on here. The government and future governments does not have your best interests at heart. "
Surely since any government in the UK is set on removing all your rights and freedoms to move toward a totally Orwellian state, you should leave the UK now and go to a country free from this kind of tyranny and oppression? |
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"This is nothing to do with covid and vaccinations. It's cover for a compulsory ID scheme which will track you, and require scanning-in in public premises. I will never download this spyware.
Reputatable suurce for your outrageous allegations or BS? "
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"This is nothing to do with covid and vaccinations. It's cover for a compulsory ID scheme which will track you, and require scanning-in in public premises. I will never download this spyware."
Hmm….. how are you managing life in the 21st Century? |
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over a year ago
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"I love the NHS app.
It was worth downloading, just to make ordering repeat prescriptions a doddle.
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Definitely and all my appointments are in one place. |
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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago
The South |
"This is nothing to do with covid and vaccinations. It's cover for a compulsory ID scheme which will track you, and require scanning-in in public premises. I will never download this spyware.
Hmm….. how are you managing life in the 21st Century? "
Not very well by the sound of things.
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"Mine shows that I'm unvaccinated 
Probably because you've received the same vaccine as everyone else only you're on trial list so your one doesn't count .
Wait.. Is everybody else not on a trial list till 2023?  "
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over a year ago
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Despite being double vaccinated, I’ve been self isolating as directed by the NHS Track and Trace app. This is due to me fastidiously scanning the QR codes whilst out and about and somebody testing positive. If I hadn’t continued to scan the codes I would not have been told to self-isolate.
I have no symptoms and the rapid test was negative. How much longer the NHS Track and Trace app will be used I don’t know. Will clubs use the QR codes? Our privacy will be in jeopardy the way this Government treats data. |
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"Despite being double vaccinated, I’ve been self isolating as directed by the NHS Track and Trace app. This is due to me fastidiously scanning the QR codes whilst out and about and somebody testing positive. If I hadn’t continued to scan the codes I would not have been told to self-isolate.
I have no symptoms and the rapid test was negative. How much longer the NHS Track and Trace app will be used I don’t know. Will clubs use the QR codes? Our privacy will be in jeopardy the way this Government treats data. "
I think they will change it to daily lft testing if in that situation, there are trials going on at present.. |
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"Despite being double vaccinated, I’ve been self isolating as directed by the NHS Track and Trace app. This is due to me fastidiously scanning the QR codes whilst out and about and somebody testing positive. If I hadn’t continued to scan the codes I would not have been told to self-isolate.
I have no symptoms and the rapid test was negative. How much longer the NHS Track and Trace app will be used I don’t know. Will clubs use the QR codes? Our privacy will be in jeopardy the way this Government treats data. "
I think that's a given for all indoor entertainment establishments with the alternative of a register which is retained and handed over when required....the bar code thing will be much easier for a club. |
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"Despite being double vaccinated, I’ve been self isolating as directed by the NHS Track and Trace app. This is due to me fastidiously scanning the QR codes whilst out and about and somebody testing positive. If I hadn’t continued to scan the codes I would not have been told to self-isolate.
I have no symptoms and the rapid test was negative. How much longer the NHS Track and Trace app will be used I don’t know. Will clubs use the QR codes? Our privacy will be in jeopardy the way this Government treats data.
I think that's a given for all indoor entertainment establishments with the alternative of a register which is retained and handed over when required....the bar code thing will be much easier for a club."
We have noticed more and more places are bothering with track and trace. |
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"Despite being double vaccinated, I’ve been self isolating as directed by the NHS Track and Trace app. This is due to me fastidiously scanning the QR codes whilst out and about and somebody testing positive. If I hadn’t continued to scan the codes I would not have been told to self-isolate.
I have no symptoms and the rapid test was negative. How much longer the NHS Track and Trace app will be used I don’t know. Will clubs use the QR codes? Our privacy will be in jeopardy the way this Government treats data.
I think that's a given for all indoor entertainment establishments with the alternative of a register which is retained and handed over when required....the bar code thing will be much easier for a club.
We have noticed more and more places are bothering with track and trace. "
It's been a legal requirement since April |
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By *issusWoman
over a year ago
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"Mine shows that I'm unvaccinated
Probably because you've received the same vaccine as everyone else only you're on trial list so your one doesn't count .
Wait.. Is everybody else not on a trial list till 2023?
Lol"
Deadly serious here. How is your trial for long term side effects more important than anyone elses? Or is there a chance that you have received a placebo? |
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"Despite being double vaccinated, I’ve been self isolating as directed by the NHS Track and Trace app. This is due to me fastidiously scanning the QR codes whilst out and about and somebody testing positive. If I hadn’t continued to scan the codes I would not have been told to self-isolate.
I have no symptoms and the rapid test was negative. How much longer the NHS Track and Trace app will be used I don’t know. Will clubs use the QR codes? Our privacy will be in jeopardy the way this Government treats data.
I think that's a given for all indoor entertainment establishments with the alternative of a register which is retained and handed over when required....the bar code thing will be much easier for a club.
We have noticed more and more places are bothering with track and trace.
It's been a legal requirement since April"
That it might be but we have been to several places in the last month where we have not been asked if we had scaned the code or asked for our details and I know loads of people who have said the same. |
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"Despite being double vaccinated, I’ve been self isolating as directed by the NHS Track and Trace app. This is due to me fastidiously scanning the QR codes whilst out and about and somebody testing positive. If I hadn’t continued to scan the codes I would not have been told to self-isolate.
I have no symptoms and the rapid test was negative. How much longer the NHS Track and Trace app will be used I don’t know. Will clubs use the QR codes? Our privacy will be in jeopardy the way this Government treats data.
I think that's a given for all indoor entertainment establishments with the alternative of a register which is retained and handed over when required....the bar code thing will be much easier for a club.
We have noticed more and more places are bothering with track and trace.
It's been a legal requirement since April"
That should have been not bothering. |
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"Mine shows that I'm unvaccinated
Probably because you've received the same vaccine as everyone else only you're on trial list so your one doesn't count .
Wait.. Is everybody else not on a trial list till 2023?
Lol
Deadly serious here. How is your trial for long term side effects more important than anyone elses? Or is there a chance that you have received a placebo? "
... Because everyone else isn't on a trial? That's some rubbish people made up?
No, the trial does not include placebo, it's the experimental vaccine or an approved vaccine.
I'm monitored regardless because it's a double blinded study. It'd give the game away if they didn't keep testing me if I'd had the control. |
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"Mine shows that I'm unvaccinated
Probably because you've received the same vaccine as everyone else only you're on trial list so your one doesn't count .
Wait.. Is everybody else not on a trial list till 2023?
Lol
Deadly serious here. How is your trial for long term side effects more important than anyone elses? Or is there a chance that you have received a placebo? "
I believe that Swing is taking part in the clinical trial for one of the new, not yet in general usage, vaccines. She's said before about it being in the stage of comparison of effectiveness against the current vaccines, she doesn't get told which one she's been injected with, and the nurses that take regular blood samples from her don't know what she's been given either.
I believe that with these type of trials, all participants get given an id number. There will be doctors who know which vaccine was given to patient number 1036, but they won't know any personal information about patient 1036 (not even their name) only the clinical results.
It's all to keep the trial conclusions as meaningful and impartial as possible. If swing doesn't know what she's been given, and nobody she sees at the clinic knows what she's been given, then the tests and such cannot be biased one way or the other. If she catches covid or not, she won't know if it's because of her vaccine being the trial one and being rubbish/great or being the ordinary one. Likewise with any long term effects she might report. |
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"All I can say is there are some extremely naive people on here. The government and future governments does not have your best interests at heart.
Surely since any government in the UK is set on removing all your rights and freedoms to move toward a totally Orwellian state, you should leave the UK now and go to a country free from this kind of tyranny and oppression?"
Absolutely … why don’t you just fuck off abroad rather than asking for more from your elected representatives!! |
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"Mine shows that I'm unvaccinated
Probably because you've received the same vaccine as everyone else only you're on trial list so your one doesn't count .
Wait.. Is everybody else not on a trial list till 2023?
Lol
Deadly serious here. How is your trial for long term side effects more important than anyone elses? Or is there a chance that you have received a placebo?
... Because everyone else isn't on a trial? That's some rubbish people made up?
No, the trial does not include placebo, it's the experimental vaccine or an approved vaccine.
I'm monitored regardless because it's a double blinded study. It'd give the game away if they didn't keep testing me if I'd had the control."
Some don't want science and high grade evidence Swing, unless they can find something in it, or made up about it, to post nonsense on social media etc.
Most of us are really grateful for those like you that have invested your time and efforts in to making the world a safer place for us all. |
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"Despite being double vaccinated, I’ve been self isolating as directed by the NHS Track and Trace app. This is due to me fastidiously scanning the QR codes whilst out and about and somebody testing positive. If I hadn’t continued to scan the codes I would not have been told to self-isolate.
I have no symptoms and the rapid test was negative. How much longer the NHS Track and Trace app will be used I don’t know. Will clubs use the QR codes? Our privacy will be in jeopardy the way this Government treats data. "
The app can also pick up your proximity with people who test positive and notify you to isolate, when neither of you are at a place using QR code check-in.
Unlike LornaJo and others l, I'm still having to use it at every place I visit and it's disappointing to hear that some places are not bothering  |
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"This is nothing to do with covid and vaccinations. It's cover for a compulsory ID scheme which will track you, and require scanning-in in public premises. I will never download this spyware."
The NHS app is exactly what it says. Nhs the reason it has that info on is it is linked to your GP notes. You covid vaccines and covid tests are automatically added to your medical record when you have them.
You can also check you blood test results and order your repeat medications.
Is is not spyware it is an app to aid nhs services.
It doesn't matter if you download the app or not the info about you and your records is still all online. |
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By *jhj69Couple
over a year ago
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"What evidence do I need to show? Its before everyone's eyes in clear daylight. The government has developed an app which contains everyones medical history on it and combined it with a travel passport and uk event passport
What more evidence do I need to present. Ask yourself, who gains from such an app and why?
Ask yourself why the general population won't gain from such an app, even if they are up to date on the jabs they are supposed to take.
I realise the app isn't mandatory now, but it wouldn't take much to make it enforceable.
Got to agree i might sound condescending but I'm frustrated by people's lack of concern and think they are sleepwalking into a dangerously authoritarian state in which gradually their long held freedoms are disappearing. The evidence for this is increasing everywhere you look"
Of course this would mean that in order for this tracking to successfully work, the government would have to make owning a mobile phone compulsory. |
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"All I can say is there are some extremely naive people on here. The government and future governments does not have your best interests at heart.
Surely since any government in the UK is set on removing all your rights and freedoms to move toward a totally Orwellian state, you should leave the UK now and go to a country free from this kind of tyranny and oppression?
Absolutely … why don’t you just fuck off abroad rather than asking for more from your elected representatives!!"
I haven't seen anyone ask for more from the elected representatives. Just complain that the UK has miraculously morphed into 1984 over the last year.
I tend to work on the basis that if you feel agreived enough to complain about something, you should actually do something about it. The alternative is to not darken everyone else's day with negativity that doesn't have a pay off.
I am a naturally positive person, so maybe I behave differently to others?
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My god there are some tin foil hat types on Fab aren't there
The part I find remarkable is the paranoid replies are all written on digital device's, all of which record your information to a certain degree.
If you're really concerned about the 'government/big brother/Google/5G/aliens' etc then you should have zero network enabled devices in your life. |
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By *jhj69Couple
over a year ago
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"My god there are some tin foil hat types on Fab aren't there
The part I find remarkable is the paranoid replies are all written on digital device's, all of which record your information to a certain degree.
If you're really concerned about the 'government/big brother/Google/5G/aliens' etc then you should have zero network enabled devices in your life."
It’s amazing isn’t it? Some of the nonsense is hilarious. The fact that they think this (or any government) is so nefariously capable but at the same time keep getting caught snogging their mistresses. |
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"My god there are some tin foil hat types on Fab aren't there
The part I find remarkable is the paranoid replies are all written on digital device's, all of which record your information to a certain degree.
If you're really concerned about the 'government/big brother/Google/5G/aliens' etc then you should have zero network enabled devices in your life.
It’s amazing isn’t it? Some of the nonsense is hilarious. The fact that they think this (or any government) is so nefariously capable but at the same time keep getting caught snogging their mistresses. "
I'm not sure whether I like the 'our rights are being stolen and you can't see it' or the 'covid has been exaggerated by all the world governments to keep us afraid and in check' more. I think some people just miss the oppression of the middle ages!
I may be wrong, but aren't there more laws and standards protecting every aspect of our choice and freedom now than at any point in history? |
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By *jhj69Couple
over a year ago
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"My god there are some tin foil hat types on Fab aren't there
The part I find remarkable is the paranoid replies are all written on digital device's, all of which record your information to a certain degree.
If you're really concerned about the 'government/big brother/Google/5G/aliens' etc then you should have zero network enabled devices in your life.
It’s amazing isn’t it? Some of the nonsense is hilarious. The fact that they think this (or any government) is so nefariously capable but at the same time keep getting caught snogging their mistresses.
I'm not sure whether I like the 'our rights are being stolen and you can't see it' or the 'covid has been exaggerated by all the world governments to keep us afraid and in check' more. I think some people just miss the oppression of the middle ages!
I may be wrong, but aren't there more laws and standards protecting every aspect of our choice and freedom now than at any point in history? "
Or even the good old days of the 1960/70’s? Freedom of information and expression is greater now than at any time in history. |
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"My god there are some tin foil hat types on Fab aren't there
The part I find remarkable is the paranoid replies are all written on digital device's, all of which record your information to a certain degree.
If you're really concerned about the 'government/big brother/Google/5G/aliens' etc then you should have zero network enabled devices in your life.
It’s amazing isn’t it? Some of the nonsense is hilarious. The fact that they think this (or any government) is so nefariously capable but at the same time keep getting caught snogging their mistresses.
I'm not sure whether I like the 'our rights are being stolen and you can't see it' or the 'covid has been exaggerated by all the world governments to keep us afraid and in check' more. I think some people just miss the oppression of the middle ages!
I may be wrong, but aren't there more laws and standards protecting every aspect of our choice and freedom now than at any point in history? "
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By *matoMan
over a year ago
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"This is nothing to do with covid and vaccinations. It's cover for a compulsory ID scheme which will track you, and require scanning-in in public premises. I will never download this spyware.
In which case I assume you don't have Internet banking, pay everything by cash. Don't have a mobile phone or do anything online? Oh wait you are on Fab.
There are far easier ways of tracking your movements than using the NHS covid app. My thoughts exactly but you beat me to it. "
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By *jhj69Couple
over a year ago
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"This is nothing to do with covid and vaccinations. It's cover for a compulsory ID scheme which will track you, and require scanning-in in public premises. I will never download this spyware.
In which case I assume you don't have Internet banking, pay everything by cash. Don't have a mobile phone or do anything online? Oh wait you are on Fab.
There are far easier ways of tracking your movements than using the NHS covid app. My thoughts exactly but you beat me to it.
Burglars can easily break the window, so why bother locking the front door?"
Not a particularly good analogy. Everyone needs somewhere to live, you don’t need a mobile phone. But, if you think the NHS app is the gateway to your privacy, then so is all the data the government hold on you. Passport, driving license, council tax etc and then there’s the commercial details such as your credit details kept by Experian et al. To use your analogy, no point worrying about your front door, the government already knows where you live |
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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago
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"This is nothing to do with covid and vaccinations. It's cover for a compulsory ID scheme which will track you, and require scanning-in in public premises. I will never download this spyware.
In which case I assume you don't have Internet banking, pay everything by cash. Don't have a mobile phone or do anything online? Oh wait you are on Fab.
There are far easier ways of tracking your movements than using the NHS covid app. My thoughts exactly but you beat me to it.
Burglars can easily break the window, so why bother locking the front door?
Not a particularly good analogy. Everyone needs somewhere to live, you don’t need a mobile phone. But, if you think the NHS app is the gateway to your privacy, then so is all the data the government hold on you. Passport, driving license, council tax etc and then there’s the commercial details such as your credit details kept by Experian et al. To use your analogy, no point worrying about your front door, the government already knows where you live "
It's a bit silly really, railing against an App that holds information the service provider already has, moaning about something that it doesn't do, when so much more information is already provided through other sources, and freely given away in other ways, every single day.
I'm pretty sure the people moaning about the NHS App have no idea what it does or what it's for.
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"This is nothing to do with covid and vaccinations. It's cover for a compulsory ID scheme which will track you, and require scanning-in in public premises. I will never download this spyware.
In which case I assume you don't have Internet banking, pay everything by cash. Don't have a mobile phone or do anything online? Oh wait you are on Fab.
There are far easier ways of tracking your movements than using the NHS covid app. My thoughts exactly but you beat me to it.
Burglars can easily break the window, so why bother locking the front door?
Not a particularly good analogy. Everyone needs somewhere to live, you don’t need a mobile phone. But, if you think the NHS app is the gateway to your privacy, then so is all the data the government hold on you. Passport, driving license, council tax etc and then there’s the commercial details such as your credit details kept by Experian et al. To use your analogy, no point worrying about your front door, the government already knows where you live
It's a bit silly really, railing against an App that holds information the service provider already has, moaning about something that it doesn't do, when so much more information is already provided through other sources, and freely given away in other ways, every single day.
I'm pretty sure the people moaning about the NHS App have no idea what it does or what it's for.
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"This is nothing to do with covid and vaccinations. It's cover for a compulsory ID scheme which will track you, and require scanning-in in public premises. I will never download this spyware.
In which case I assume you don't have Internet banking, pay everything by cash. Don't have a mobile phone or do anything online? Oh wait you are on Fab.
There are far easier ways of tracking your movements than using the NHS covid app. My thoughts exactly but you beat me to it.
Burglars can easily break the window, so why bother locking the front door?
Not a particularly good analogy. Everyone needs somewhere to live, you don’t need a mobile phone. But, if you think the NHS app is the gateway to your privacy, then so is all the data the government hold on you. Passport, driving license, council tax etc and then there’s the commercial details such as your credit details kept by Experian et al. To use your analogy, no point worrying about your front door, the government already knows where you live
It's a bit silly really, railing against an App that holds information the service provider already has, moaning about something that it doesn't do, when so much more information is already provided through other sources, and freely given away in other ways, every single day.
I'm pretty sure the people moaning about the NHS App have no idea what it does or what it's for.
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Big data is a threat to our lives and their encroachment upon our freedom should be be resisted at all costs
- sent from my iPhone"
If they are worried about the NHS app, imagine how freaked out they will be when they find out the government gateway can give them access to passport, driving licence and tax information….
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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago
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"This is nothing to do with covid and vaccinations. It's cover for a compulsory ID scheme which will track you, and require scanning-in in public premises. I will never download this spyware.
In which case I assume you don't have Internet banking, pay everything by cash. Don't have a mobile phone or do anything online? Oh wait you are on Fab.
There are far easier ways of tracking your movements than using the NHS covid app. My thoughts exactly but you beat me to it.
Burglars can easily break the window, so why bother locking the front door?
Not a particularly good analogy. Everyone needs somewhere to live, you don’t need a mobile phone. But, if you think the NHS app is the gateway to your privacy, then so is all the data the government hold on you. Passport, driving license, council tax etc and then there’s the commercial details such as your credit details kept by Experian et al. To use your analogy, no point worrying about your front door, the government already knows where you live
It's a bit silly really, railing against an App that holds information the service provider already has, moaning about something that it doesn't do, when so much more information is already provided through other sources, and freely given away in other ways, every single day.
I'm pretty sure the people moaning about the NHS App have no idea what it does or what it's for.
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"Our specific personal information is protected by GDPR.
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gdpr dosnt exist in the uk we have dpa instead with a varient of gdpr included which at the moment is classed as:
ref:EU rules UK data protection is ‘adequate’ in boost for business
British data protection standards are “adequate”, the EU has ruled in a long-awaited decision that lets digital information continue to flow between the UK and the bloc. But Brussels warned Boris Johnson’s government the decision could be revoked “immediately” if it sees weakening UK standards.
which the uk government will reduce to sell or use the usa system.
ref:UK government to consider gutting GDPR rules
The taskforce, comprising three senior Conservative MPs, has branded GDPR “prescriptive and inflexible” and has urged Boris Johnson to replace the rules with a new framework for data protection that doesn’t stifle growth and innovation.
Although GDPR applied to British organisations when it came into force in May 2018, the UK passed its own law in the form of the Data Protection Act (DPA) 2018, which mirrored the majority of GDPR but deviated in some areas. For instance, the DPA cites a higher number of lawful bases for processing sensitive data.
The report suggests the data protection status quo benefits tech giants, which are able to afford the compliance burden due to their business models, which involve profiting from processing personal data.
the us is known as third world country for dpa protection on your data
ref:EU vs US: What Are the Differences Between Their Data Privacy Laws?
The Privacy Shield also fails to address the individual privacy rights vouchsafed by the GDPR. The right to be forgotten as well as the mandatory appointment of data protection officers by processors of large quantities of personal information of EU data subjects are only some of the GDPR compliance requirements the EU-US Privacy Shield does not include.
The essential difference between the US and EU when it comes to privacy laws and data protection is their point of focus. The US seems more concerned with integrity of data as a commercial asset, while the EU, with the GDPR, has firmly put individual rights before the interest of businesses. In the EU, it will be companies that will be held liable in the eyes of the law and pay if they fail to protect EU data subjects’ data.
we are uk based so if our data has excaped we have to take that company to court in there country not in our own.
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By *ittleMissCali OP Woman
over a year ago
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"which NHS app is the op refering to? there are two official nhs apps from what i can see."
I did make it clear in the 2nd post of mine that its thr nhs one, not the nhs covid app. As someone mentioned using it to log in.. which is the other app
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"which NHS app is the op refering to? there are two official nhs apps from what i can see.
I did make it clear in the 2nd post of mine that its thr nhs one, not the nhs covid app. As someone mentioned using it to log in.. which is the other app "
so you're saying it's the nhs app by nha digital not the nhs covid 19 app by dept of health and social care? |
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By *ittleMissCali OP Woman
over a year ago
trouble most likely, or creating it :) |
"which NHS app is the op refering to? there are two official nhs apps from what i can see.
I did make it clear in the 2nd post of mine that its thr nhs one, not the nhs covid app. As someone mentioned using it to log in.. which is the other app
so you're saying it's the nhs app by nha digital not the nhs covid 19 app by dept of health and social care?"
yes it's the NHS app.... not the nhs covid app that you use to log in to places with |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"This is nothing to do with covid and vaccinations. It's cover for a compulsory ID scheme which will track you, and require scanning-in in public premises. I will never download this spyware."
well done dome one whos not been brainwashed but people dont listern banging head against wall well done tho mate
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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago
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"This is nothing to do with covid and vaccinations. It's cover for a compulsory ID scheme which will track you, and require scanning-in in public premises. I will never download this spyware.
well done dome one whos not been brainwashed but people dont listern banging head against wall well done tho mate "
How does an App that holds nothing but your medical records enable you to be tracked?
Tracked by whom and why?
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By *ittleMissCali OP Woman
over a year ago
trouble most likely, or creating it :) |
"This is nothing to do with covid and vaccinations. It's cover for a compulsory ID scheme which will track you, and require scanning-in in public premises. I will never download this spyware. well done dome one whos not been brainwashed but people dont listern banging head against wall well done tho mate "
I feel like this when people make comments about something they clearly dont understand. The nhs app does not track your whereabouts, it holds the details that they already have, but just makes it easier for the person to access.
It's been fantastic for keeping on top of my appointments. And today I needed it to prove that I'd had a recent negative covid test. |
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By *matoMan
over a year ago
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"This is nothing to do with covid and vaccinations. It's cover for a compulsory ID scheme which will track you, and require scanning-in in public premises. I will never download this spyware.
In which case I assume you don't have Internet banking, pay everything by cash. Don't have a mobile phone or do anything online? Oh wait you are on Fab.
There are far easier ways of tracking your movements than using the NHS covid app. My thoughts exactly but you beat me to it.
Burglars can easily break the window, so why bother locking the front door?
Not a particularly good analogy. Everyone needs somewhere to live, you don’t need a mobile phone. But, if you think the NHS app is the gateway to your privacy, then so is all the data the government hold on you. Passport, driving license, council tax etc and then there’s the commercial details such as your credit details kept by Experian et al. To use your analogy, no point worrying about your front door, the government already knows where you live "
"the government already knows where you live" ???
Believe or not, but for a sizeable fraction of people present at any time on UK territory, they haven't got a fucking clue. For some people all they know is that they are probably somewhere in UK, for some other they never even knew they are here.
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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago
The South |
"This is nothing to do with covid and vaccinations. It's cover for a compulsory ID scheme which will track you, and require scanning-in in public premises. I will never download this spyware.
In which case I assume you don't have Internet banking, pay everything by cash. Don't have a mobile phone or do anything online? Oh wait you are on Fab.
There are far easier ways of tracking your movements than using the NHS covid app. My thoughts exactly but you beat me to it.
Burglars can easily break the window, so why bother locking the front door?
Not a particularly good analogy. Everyone needs somewhere to live, you don’t need a mobile phone. But, if you think the NHS app is the gateway to your privacy, then so is all the data the government hold on you. Passport, driving license, council tax etc and then there’s the commercial details such as your credit details kept by Experian et al. To use your analogy, no point worrying about your front door, the government already knows where you live
"the government already knows where you live" ???
Believe or not, but for a sizeable fraction of people present at any time on UK territory, they haven't got a fucking clue. For some people all they know is that they are probably somewhere in UK, for some other they never even knew they are here.
Don't underestimate the incompetence of your average pen pusher, and morons above them."
M had an interview for a government related role a few years ago.
Between making the application and the interview, he moved house but didn't tell them.
When they called to confirm his interview he mentioned that he'd moved house.
"Is your new postcode xxx xxx?"
Er, yes........
If the government wants to find you, it will.
This app will not give the government a method of tracking anyone.
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" The nhs app does not track your whereabouts, it holds the details that they already have, but just makes it easier for the person to access. "
have you actually checked what permissions the app requires from you before installing it or did you just click on install? i checked it, and the first permission is
'This app has access to: Location, precise location (GPS and network-based)'
i'm not suggesting anything sinister, but to keep telling the forum that the app does not track you would appear to be incorrect. |
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" The nhs app does not track your whereabouts, it holds the details that they already have, but just makes it easier for the person to access.
have you actually checked what permissions the app requires from you before installing it or did you just click on install? i checked it, and the first permission is
'This app has access to: Location, precise location (GPS and network-based)'
i'm not suggesting anything sinister, but to keep telling the forum that the app does not track you would appear to be incorrect."
You are wrong I am afraid the NHS App doesn't require any permissions, just reinstalled it to check. The NHS covid app, which I assume will be decommissioned shortly, which is a totally different app can track your location. |
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have you actually checked what permissions the app requires from you before installing it or did you just click on install? i checked it, and the first permission is
'This app has access to: Location, precise blah blah"
Err no it doesn't, I just checked
You have either
*Misunderstood what app we're talking
about
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over a year ago
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" The nhs app does not track your whereabouts, it holds the details that they already have, but just makes it easier for the person to access.
have you actually checked what permissions the app requires from you before installing it or did you just click on install? i checked it, and the first permission is
'This app has access to: Location, precise location (GPS and network-based)'
i'm not suggesting anything sinister, but to keep telling the forum that the app does not track you would appear to be incorrect."
no that would be the NHS covid app, not the NHS app. |
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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago
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" The nhs app does not track your whereabouts, it holds the details that they already have, but just makes it easier for the person to access.
have you actually checked what permissions the app requires from you before installing it or did you just click on install? i checked it, and the first permission is
'This app has access to: Location, precise location (GPS and network-based)'
i'm not suggesting anything sinister, but to keep telling the forum that the app does not track you would appear to be incorrect."
The app we are discussing categorically does not track you.
It merely holds your medical information the NHS already has and makes appointments and prescriptions more simple to manage.
Nothing more.
Nothing sinister.
I hope that puts to rest any fears or missunderstanding you may have.
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" The nhs app does not track your whereabouts, it holds the details that they already have, but just makes it easier for the person to access.
have you actually checked what permissions the app requires from you before installing it or did you just click on install? i checked it, and the first permission is
'This app has access to: Location, precise location (GPS and network-based)'
i'm not suggesting anything sinister, but to keep telling the forum that the app does not track you would appear to be incorrect.
The app we are discussing categorically does not track you.
It merely holds your medical information the NHS already has and makes appointments and prescriptions more simple to manage.
Nothing more.
Nothing sinister.
I hope that puts to rest any fears or missunderstanding you may have.
E"
The app doesn't even "hold" your medical Data, it only allows you to view it via an encrypted connection.
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over a year ago
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" The nhs app does not track your whereabouts, it holds the details that they already have, but just makes it easier for the person to access.
have you actually checked what permissions the app requires from you before installing it or did you just click on install? i checked it, and the first permission is
'This app has access to: Location, precise location (GPS and network-based)'
i'm not suggesting anything sinister, but to keep telling the forum that the app does not track you would appear to be incorrect.
The app we are discussing categorically does not track you.
It merely holds your medical information the NHS already has and makes appointments and prescriptions more simple to manage.
Nothing more.
Nothing sinister.
I hope that puts to rest any fears or missunderstanding you may have.
E
The app doesn't even "hold" your medical Data, it only allows you to view it via an encrypted connection.
Cal"
Exactly this, my poor phraseology, thank you.
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i re-checked ... the nhs app by nhs digital demands these permissions ... here is the quote...
This app has access to:
Location
precise location (GPS and network-based)
Phone
read phone status and identity
Photos/Media/Files
read the contents of your USB storage
modify or delete the contents of your USB storage
Storage
read the contents of your USB storage
modify or delete the contents of your USB storage
Camera
take pictures and videos
Microphone
record audio
Device ID & call information
read phone status and identity
Other
receive data from Internet
view network connections
full network access
change your audio settings
control Near Field Communication
control vibration
prevent device from sleeping |
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"i re-checked ... the nhs app by nhs digital demands these permissions ... here is the quote...
This app has access to:
Location
precise location (GPS and network-based)
Phone
read phone status and identity
Photos/Media/Files
read the contents of your USB storage
modify or delete the contents of your USB storage
Storage
read the contents of your USB storage
modify or delete the contents of your USB storage
Camera
take pictures and videos
Microphone
record audio
Device ID & call information
read phone status and identity
Other
receive data from Internet
view network connections
full network access
change your audio settings
control Near Field Communication
control vibration
prevent device from sleeping"
That is the nhs covid app not the nhs app. |
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"i re-checked ... the nhs app by nhs digital demands these permissions ... here is the quote...
This app has access to:
Location
precise location (GPS and network-based)
Phone
read phone status and identity
Photos/Media/Files
read the contents of your USB storage
modify or delete the contents of your USB storage
Storage
read the contents of your USB storage
modify or delete the contents of your USB storage
Camera
take pictures and videos
Microphone
record audio
Device ID & call information
read phone status and identity
Other
receive data from Internet
view network connections
full network access
change your audio settings
control Near Field Communication
control vibration
prevent device from sleeping
That is the nhs covid app not the nhs app."
no it's the permissions demanded by the nhs app by nhs digital .... not the nhs covid-19 app by the department of health and social care |
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People don’t seem to worry too much about what information is gathered from other apps, so why is this one in particular an issue?
Games collect just as much info and have access to the same things. |
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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago
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"i re-checked ... the nhs app by nhs digital demands these permissions ... here is the quote...
This app has access to:
Location
precise location (GPS and network-based)
Phone
read phone status and identity
Photos/Media/Files
read the contents of your USB storage
modify or delete the contents of your USB storage
Storage
read the contents of your USB storage
modify or delete the contents of your USB storage
Camera
take pictures and videos
Microphone
record audio
Device ID & call information
read phone status and identity
Other
receive data from Internet
view network connections
full network access
change your audio settings
control Near Field Communication
control vibration
prevent device from sleeping
That is the nhs covid app not the nhs app.
no it's the permissions demanded by the nhs app by nhs digital .... not the nhs covid-19 app by the department of health and social care "
It wasn't when we both downloaded it.
It wasn't when everyone we know downloaded it.
I think you don't have the app in discussion.
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"i re-checked ... the nhs app by nhs digital demands these permissions ... here is the quote...
This app has access to:
Location
precise location (GPS and network-based)
Phone
read phone status and identity
Photos/Media/Files
read the contents of your USB storage
modify or delete the contents of your USB storage
Storage
read the contents of your USB storage
modify or delete the contents of your USB storage
Camera
take pictures and videos
Microphone
record audio
Device ID & call information
read phone status and identity
Other
receive data from Internet
view network connections
full network access
change your audio settings
control Near Field Communication
control vibration
prevent device from sleeping
That is the nhs covid app not the nhs app.
no it's the permissions demanded by the nhs app by nhs digital .... not the nhs covid-19 app by the department of health and social care
It wasn't when we both downloaded it.
It wasn't when everyone we know downloaded it.
I think you don't have the app in discussion.
E"
i have clarifed with the op on the app in quetion and provided quotes on the permissions cut and pasted from the app itself yet you still argue the toss. if you're happy with giving apps that level of data then fine but to keep insisting that the app does not ask for these permissions when it clearly does is banal. |
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It’s very easy to check on your iOS device the apps that have requested or are using permissions.
Settings ….. Privacy. From here you can view third party apps, such as the “NHS App” that are using Location Services, Bluetooth, Local Network, microphone, camera etc etc ..
If an app is using any of these services there is an option to switch in on/off.
If an app does not use any of the services it will not be listed.
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when downloading any app from playstore etc. then scroll down to permissions prior to downloading and then click on 'view details' and the permissions demanded by the app will be listed ... in the case of the app being discussed those permissions are listed as ...
This app has access to:
Location
precise location (GPS and network-based)
Phone
read phone status and identity
Photos/Media/Files
read the contents of your USB storage
modify or delete the contents of your USB storage
Storage
read the contents of your USB storage
modify or delete the contents of your USB storage
Camera
take pictures and videos
Microphone
record audio
Device ID & call information
read phone status and identity
Other
receive data from Internet
view network connections
full network access
change your audio settings
control Near Field Communication
control vibration
prevent device from sleeping |
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Release notes and data use for the current version of the app, including “ What information we collect about you and how it is used”
https://www.nhs.uk/nhs-app/nhs-app-legal-and-cookies/nhs-app-privacy-policy/privacy-policy/
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permissions demanded for the current version of the app are ...
This app has access to:
Location
precise location (GPS and network-based)
Phone
read phone status and identity
Photos/Media/Files
read the contents of your USB storage
modify or delete the contents of your USB storage
Storage
read the contents of your USB storage
modify or delete the contents of your USB storage
Camera
take pictures and videos
Microphone
record audio
Device ID & call information
read phone status and identity
Other
receive data from Internet
view network connections
full network access
change your audio settings
control Near Field Communication
control vibration
prevent device from sleeping
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over a year ago
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"permissions demanded for the current version of the app are ...
This app has access to:
Location
precise location (GPS and network-based)
Phone
read phone status and identity
Photos/Media/Files
read the contents of your USB storage
modify or delete the contents of your USB storage
Storage
read the contents of your USB storage
modify or delete the contents of your USB storage
Camera
take pictures and videos
Microphone
record audio
Device ID & call information
read phone status and identity
Other
receive data from Internet
view network connections
full network access
change your audio settings
control Near Field Communication
control vibration
prevent device from sleeping
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Funny since it has no permissions at all on my phone, those are optional permissions, you gave them that access, they didn't demand it. |
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"permissions demanded for the current version of the app are ...
This app has access to:
Location
precise location (GPS and network-based)
Phone
read phone status and identity
Photos/Media/Files
read the contents of your USB storage
modify or delete the contents of your USB storage
Storage
read the contents of your USB storage
modify or delete the contents of your USB storage
Camera
take pictures and videos
Microphone
record audio
Device ID & call information
read phone status and identity
Other
receive data from Internet
view network connections
full network access
change your audio settings
control Near Field Communication
control vibration
prevent device from sleeping
Funny since it has no permissions at all on my phone, those are optional permissions, you gave them that access, they didn't demand it. "
it doesn't need to list them on your phone. the app is only required to forwarn you prior to download and installation ... i personally haven't given them any permission as i haven't downloaded the app. i am merely offering correct information. please feel free to download whatever app you like, but it's probably a good idea to be correctly informed before you do so. hope this helps. |
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Appears to be disparity between Android and IOS.
Would be interested to get feedback from someone who has actually downloaded the app to report on the services being used by the app installed on an Android device
Settings app and then Apps & notifications menu. Tap on the app you want to look at (if you can't spot it, tap See all). Tap on Permissions to see everything the app has access to and has used.
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The disparity between Android and iOS appears to rest with the platforms approach to assumed use. iOS favouring an approach which requires the user to grant or reject an app permission if the app requests it. Android requests permission for everything at the point of install, without confirming if the services being permitted will be used by the app.
This would explain why in iOS privacy settings there has never been a request from the NHS App on my device to require me to grant permission to use Location Services (GPS, Bluetooth etc) - the NHS app hasnt required it or doesn’t use it for any of its functions.
An old article, “ Why App Permissions on Androids are so Much Sloppier than iPhones” provides further info, if interested. |
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on ios the permissions demanded are listed as being linked or not being linked to the user. nevertheless the permissions demanded by the app via ios are as follows ....
Analytics
Identifiers
User ID
Usage Data
Product Interaction
Product Personalisation
Identifiers
User ID
App Functionality
Identifiers
User ID
Diagnostics
Other Diagnostic Data
Other Purposes
Health & Fitness
Health
Product Personalisation
Location
Coarse Location
App Functionality
Diagnostics
Crash Data ....
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"Appears to be disparity between Android and IOS.
Would be interested to get feedback from someone who has actually downloaded the app to report on the services being used by the app installed on an Android device
Settings app and then Apps & notifications menu. Tap on the app you want to look at (if you can't spot it, tap See all). Tap on Permissions to see everything the app has access to and has used.
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Samsung Galaxy A21S
Denied;
Location
Microphone
Phone
Ask every time;
Camera
Allowed;
Files and media
Which doesn't concur with W & T's assertions.
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An iOS user is required to accept or reject the use of the service as and when an app first needs to use it.
The difference with Android is when you instal an app you are granting use for these services regardless if the app uses them or not. An app may start using a service without you knowing it - or you go in and manually disable any of the permissions.
This would concur with the assertion that Android has a sloppier approach to user security than iOS .
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"An iOS user is required to accept or reject the use of the service as and when an app first needs to use it.
The difference with Android is when you instal an app you are granting use for these services regardless if the app uses them or not. An app may start using a service without you knowing it - or you go in and manually disable any of the permissions.
This would concur with the assertion that Android has a sloppier approach to user security than iOS .
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While that may be correct and I'm not tekkie enough to confirm or deny, the purpose of the NHS App is not to track your whereabouts, it's merely to access information already held by the NHS.
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I'm on Android and I have denied all permissions.
On the play store it states that it may request access to certain services but you can disable access in the app settings.
So no demanding of anything, they are optional permissions and you can disable them, as I have done.
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"An iOS user is required to accept or reject the use of the service as and when an app first needs to use it.
The difference with Android is when you instal an app you are granting use for these services regardless if the app uses them or not. An app may start using a service without you knowing it - or you go in and manually disable any of the permissions.
This would concur with the assertion that Android has a sloppier approach to user security than iOS .
While that may be correct and I'm not tekkie enough to confirm or deny, the purpose of the NHS App is not to track your whereabouts, it's merely to access information already held by the NHS.
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"I'm on Android and I have denied all permissions.
On the play store it states that it may request access to certain services but you can disable access in the app settings.
So no demanding of anything, they are optional permissions and you can disable them, as I have done.
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"This is nothing to do with covid and vaccinations. It's cover for a compulsory ID scheme which will track you, and require scanning-in in public premises. I will never download this spyware.
In which case I assume you don't have Internet banking, pay everything by cash. Don't have a mobile phone or do anything online? Oh wait you are on Fab.
There are far easier ways of tracking your movements than using the NHS covid app."
True.
You don't even need internet.
Lots of information held by places where you have ordered or purchased clothes, phones, mortgage, gas, electric, passport, holidays, etc
I'd be fine telling people all my details financial, medical but maybe not FAB stuff.
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"This is nothing to do with covid and vaccinations. It's cover for a compulsory ID scheme which will track you, and require scanning-in in public premises. I will never download this spyware."
So you do not have credit cards or debit cards , you pay for everything using cash?
No loyalty cards ?
You use the internet so everything you do on there is stored by google etc and sold on
Social media apps do the same
Mobile phone?
Everything that you do on that is stored |
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"assuming that there is no use of anti-tracking browsers, anti-tracking extensions, cash, vpn's, ad-blocking add-ons, burners, sandboxes, 10 minute emails, encrypted social media etc etc"
But 99.99% are just using their phones how they come... and by the quantity of propaganda that's posted on social media, most of the "wake-up sheeple" brigade are sharing everything. |
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"assuming that there is no use of anti-tracking browsers, anti-tracking extensions, cash, vpn's, ad-blocking add-ons, burners, sandboxes, 10 minute emails, encrypted social media etc etc
But 99.99% are just using their phones how they come... and by the quantity of propaganda that's posted on social media, most of the "wake-up sheeple" brigade are sharing everything. "
And when asked for proof usually say research it yourself, instead of actually providing any proof |
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"But 99.99% are just using their phones how they come... and by the quantity of propaganda that's posted on social media, most of the "wake-up sheeple" brigade are sharing everything. "
i don't doubt it either. it's probably a good reason to keep a modicum of anonymity so as not to be exposed to the sort of nefarious activities of that sort of internet user. it's why this site is the nearest to social media that i ever use.
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