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"The person I know who has not and will not be taking the vaccination is happy to take the consequences" I think that is more acceptable. I would like to know if there will be special guidance for those who are exempt on medical grounds. There is a big difference between cant and won't. | |||
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"The person I know who has not and will not be taking the vaccination is happy to take the consequences I think that is more acceptable. I would like to know if there will be special guidance for those who are exempt on medical grounds. There is a big difference between cant and won't. " I don't know. This person won't be having it due to genuine needle phobia. | |||
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"The person I know who has not and will not be taking the vaccination is happy to take the consequences I think that is more acceptable. I would like to know if there will be special guidance for those who are exempt on medical grounds. There is a big difference between cant and won't. " In terms of virus transmission and risk to others there is precisely no difference whatsoever. | |||
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"The person I know who has not and will not be taking the vaccination is happy to take the consequences I think that is more acceptable. I would like to know if there will be special guidance for those who are exempt on medical grounds. There is a big difference between cant and won't. In terms of virus transmission and risk to others there is precisely no difference whatsoever." But in the eyes of the law there is now a difference. | |||
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"Blimey what about the percentage of people who will catch covid and spread it whilst being double vaccinated "I think it is because there is growing evidence that people who have been double vaccinated shed much less of the virus if any. | |||
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"The person I know who has not and will not be taking the vaccination is happy to take the consequences I think that is more acceptable. I would like to know if there will be special guidance for those who are exempt on medical grounds. There is a big difference between cant and won't. I don't know. This person won't be having it due to genuine needle phobia. " Thats a tricky one. I wonder if there will be another form the vaccination could take for example the flu vaccine can be given in nasal spray form. | |||
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"The person I know who has not and will not be taking the vaccination is happy to take the consequences I think that is more acceptable. I would like to know if there will be special guidance for those who are exempt on medical grounds. There is a big difference between cant and won't. I don't know. This person won't be having it due to genuine needle phobia. Thats a tricky one. I wonder if there will be another form the vaccination could take for example the flu vaccine can be given in nasal spray form." No idea. I think it would help if there was . Genuine phobias are a life affecting condition | |||
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"The person I know who has not and will not be taking the vaccination is happy to take the consequences I think that is more acceptable. I would like to know if there will be special guidance for those who are exempt on medical grounds. There is a big difference between cant and won't. I don't know. This person won't be having it due to genuine needle phobia. Thats a tricky one. I wonder if there will be another form the vaccination could take for example the flu vaccine can be given in nasal spray form. No idea. I think it would help if there was . Genuine phobias are a life affecting condition" Totally agree. | |||
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" I wonder if there will be another form the vaccination could take for example the flu vaccine can be given in nasal spray form." The only nasal spray available in the UK is for children. It is a live attenuated virus. Not suitable for over 50s' anyway.. | |||
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"Blimey what about the percentage of people who will catch covid and spread it whilst being double vaccinated " | |||
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"Blimey what about the percentage of people who will catch covid and spread it whilst being double vaccinated "A much lower chance, and those already vaccinated will be unlikely to suffer from serious disease or die. People that choose not to be vaccinated are putting themselves and others at risk, it's not the vaccinated people that will be spreading covid like wildfire, the current data confirms that vaccination reduces transmission, serious illness and death. | |||
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"The person I know who has not and will not be taking the vaccination is happy to take the consequences I think that is more acceptable. I would like to know if there will be special guidance for those who are exempt on medical grounds. There is a big difference between cant and won't. I don't know. This person won't be having it due to genuine needle phobia. " I have needle phobia on my records been in prison because I wouldn't take a blood sample honestly I've had both jabs had a horrible experience with it definitely won't be getting a booster. | |||
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"The person I know who has not and will not be taking the vaccination is happy to take the consequences I think that is more acceptable. I would like to know if there will be special guidance for those who are exempt on medical grounds. There is a big difference between cant and won't. I don't know. This person won't be having it due to genuine needle phobia. Thats a tricky one. I wonder if there will be another form the vaccination could take for example the flu vaccine can be given in nasal spray form. No idea. I think it would help if there was . Genuine phobias are a life affecting condition" I have had both my jabs. Have a massive needle phobia. Not had an injection for about 30 years before these, had courses of cbt with no luck. The first injection I didn't even feel and had to ask the nurse if she had done. The 2nd I felt but not painful at all. I managed it through a combination of wanting to keep my elderly relatives safer and not want to end up like my cousin in his 30s who is still disabled through covid over a year later. I hope you can overcome it. | |||
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"The person I know who has not and will not be taking the vaccination is happy to take the consequences I think that is more acceptable. I would like to know if there will be special guidance for those who are exempt on medical grounds. There is a big difference between cant and won't. I don't know. This person won't be having it due to genuine needle phobia. Thats a tricky one. I wonder if there will be another form the vaccination could take for example the flu vaccine can be given in nasal spray form. No idea. I think it would help if there was . Genuine phobias are a life affecting condition I have had both my jabs. Have a massive needle phobia. Not had an injection for about 30 years before these, had courses of cbt with no luck. The first injection I didn't even feel and had to ask the nurse if she had done. The 2nd I felt but not painful at all. I managed it through a combination of wanting to keep my elderly relatives safer and not want to end up like my cousin in his 30s who is still disabled through covid over a year later. I hope you can overcome it." neither of us has needle phobia and we're both fully vaccinated including both covid vaccs. Tis is someone we know | |||
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"The ones not being vaccinated don't have track and trace silly.... " im double jabbed and dont have track and trace enough crap on my phone dont need yet another app | |||
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"The ones not being vaccinated don't have track and trace silly.... im double jabbed and dont have track and trace enough crap on my phone dont need yet another app" same | |||
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"The person I know who has not and will not be taking the vaccination is happy to take the consequences I think that is more acceptable. I would like to know if there will be special guidance for those who are exempt on medical grounds. There is a big difference between cant and won't. In terms of virus transmission and risk to others there is precisely no difference whatsoever." yes even eith 2 jabs thou can still Catch it Spread it do wots point of risking a jab that could give you serious blood clots i know someone who got clot and are now blind | |||
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"The person I know who has not and will not be taking the vaccination is happy to take the consequences I think that is more acceptable. I would like to know if there will be special guidance for those who are exempt on medical grounds. There is a big difference between cant and won't. In terms of virus transmission and risk to others there is precisely no difference whatsoever. yes even eith 2 jabs thou can still Catch it Spread it do wots point of risking a jab that could give you serious blood clots i know someone who got clot and are now blind " Its quite obvious as to why the vaccination is useful because cases of rising exponentially how weather hospital rates are not following suit. Yes hospital admissions are rising but not at the rate they were in previous spikes, therefore the vaccine is clearly doing its job. | |||
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"The person I know who has not and will not be taking the vaccination is happy to take the consequences I think that is more acceptable. I would like to know if there will be special guidance for those who are exempt on medical grounds. There is a big difference between cant and won't. In terms of virus transmission and risk to others there is precisely no difference whatsoever. yes even eith 2 jabs thou can still Catch it Spread it do wots point of risking a jab that could give you serious blood clots i know someone who got clot and are now blind " there is a minimal risk of blood clots... but if you dont understand the advantage of taking the vaccine after months then I think you have already made up your mind. However your post is wrong as there is reduced chances of catching it and transmitting it if you have the vaccine... your also going to be much less likely to get seriously ill. The vaccine is working well. | |||
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"One of my friends on here didn't want to get the vaccine but he's changed his mind now x" Was it the endless freebies on offer or the guilt trip from friends/family? or maybe fear porn on the TV? | |||
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"It's not the self isolation thing that will make me change my mind, it's the prediction of 100,000 infections a day by the summer that might do! A 100,000 but they think it's ok to do away with all restrictions, mental...." Its because it doesn't matter if there is a 100,000 infections a day as long as the hospital admissions are very low and the more people that are vaccinated the lower that number will be. | |||
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"It's not the self isolation thing that will make me change my mind, it's the prediction of 100,000 infections a day by the summer that might do! A 100,000 but they think it's ok to do away with all restrictions, mental.... Its because it doesn't matter if there is a 100,000 infections a day as long as the hospital admissions are very low and the more people that are vaccinated the lower that number will be. " All they haveto do is start using lateral flow tests in hospitals and bobs your uncle deaths increase | |||
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"It's not the self isolation thing that will make me change my mind, it's the prediction of 100,000 infections a day by the summer that might do! A 100,000 but they think it's ok to do away with all restrictions, mental...." Some would say they are thinking those who didn't take vaccinate (via choice) have made their choice. Clearly those folk feel they will cope with covid fine without been vaccinated. The latest hospital data could be used to argue that's not often the case with most in hospital due to covid now are of working age and not vacinated. One thing is for sure covid is gonna rip through the country like wildfire this summer through to winter. I for one am glad I'm doubled jabbed to face it. KJ | |||
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"It's not the self isolation thing that will make me change my mind, it's the prediction of 100,000 infections a day by the summer that might do! A 100,000 but they think it's ok to do away with all restrictions, mental.... Its because it doesn't matter if there is a 100,000 infections a day as long as the hospital admissions are very low and the more people that are vaccinated the lower that number will be. All they haveto do is start using lateral flow tests in hospitals and bobs your uncle deaths increase" How do lateral flow test increase deaths? Lateral flows don't even count on the national infection numbers me thinks you are a bit confused. | |||
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"The person I know who has not and will not be taking the vaccination is happy to take the consequences I think that is more acceptable. I would like to know if there will be special guidance for those who are exempt on medical grounds. There is a big difference between cant and won't. In terms of virus transmission and risk to others there is precisely no difference whatsoever." Those who are vaccinated and have a good immune response are less infectious and thus a danger to others. There is a clear difference. | |||
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"Blimey what about the percentage of people who will catch covid and spread it whilst being double vaccinated
I think it is because there is growing evidence that people who have been double vaccinated shed much less of the virus if any."Yes but not 100%, news have advised this morning that because of that percentage if you get pinged you are not to self isolate but take an immediate pcr test instead, to stop unknown spreading and catch the unsymptomatics. | |||
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"Blimey what about the percentage of people who will catch covid and spread it whilst being double vaccinated
I think it is because there is growing evidence that people who have been double vaccinated shed much less of the virus if any.
Yes but not 100%, news have advised this morning that because of that percentage if you get pinged you are not to self isolate but take an immediate pcr test instead, to stop unknown spreading and catch the unsymptomatics."Which would have been the most logical step all along. | |||
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"No you are wrong. My cousin had both jabs and still got covid. Was still very sick, although not admitted to hospital, and still passed it throughout the household so it doesn't stop anything. Seems a waste of time to me. " Surely you have to consider that without the jabs your cousin would still probably have caught Covid then been admitted to hospital and passed away. It may have stopped Covid going the household or it could have been more virulent possibly making everyone a lot more ill, hospitalised and even dead. Problem with sliding doors theory is that you are dealing with what has happened rather than what may have and that impairs (logically) looking at what may have happened | |||
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"The person I know who has not and will not be taking the vaccination is happy to take the consequences I think that is more acceptable. I would like to know if there will be special guidance for those who are exempt on medical grounds. There is a big difference between cant and won't. " Unfortunately,I dont think that is going to happen. I actually went over the top with precautions when this first started in the first wave,as I was caring for someone vulnerable,masks, gloves,isolation the lot, but still managed to get C19, I have always had good physical health so although my immune system fought against the waves of attack for three weeks and won, it found my vulnerable spot as I had struggled with depression all my life,but c19 actually left me feeling better than I ever have. So, no, Im never going to have the jab, because I now have natural immunity,and am less likely to pass it on than those jabbed. Yes, im suffering the co-ersion and stigma, in fact a few weeks ago I was even threatened to be struck off my gps list if I didnt comply,but even if I have to wear a yellow star,the jabbed have to understand not everyone is a conspiracy theorist and some have genuine medical reasons for not joining in with the experiment. | |||
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"The person I know who has not and will not be taking the vaccination is happy to take the consequences I think that is more acceptable. I would like to know if there will be special guidance for those who are exempt on medical grounds. There is a big difference between cant and won't. " not w big difference at all. Some people can’t take it for medical reasons some people won’t take it as they are not comfortable taking it. Simple as that. No one should be bullied in to it or discriminated against for their choice either. Have it if you want it don’t have it if you don’t want it it’s a life choice. | |||
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"Blimey what about the percentage of people who will catch covid and spread it whilst being double vaccinated
A much lower chance, and those already vaccinated will be unlikely to suffer from serious disease or die.
People that choose not to be vaccinated are putting themselves and others at risk, it's not the vaccinated people that will be spreading covid like wildfire, the current data confirms that vaccination reduces transmission, serious illness and death. "surely they are only putting themselves and other unvaccinated people at risk and not those that are vaccinated. Just saying. | |||
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"The person I know who has not and will not be taking the vaccination is happy to take the consequences I think that is more acceptable. I would like to know if there will be special guidance for those who are exempt on medical grounds. There is a big difference between cant and won't. I don't know. This person won't be having it due to genuine needle phobia. " G has terrible needle phobia even of other people getting vaccinations and blood tests but she has gone for her first vaccine today. M | |||
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"Blimey what about the percentage of people who will catch covid and spread it whilst being double vaccinated
A much lower chance, and those already vaccinated will be unlikely to suffer from serious disease or die.
People that choose not to be vaccinated are putting themselves and others at risk, it's not the vaccinated people that will be spreading covid like wildfire, the current data confirms that vaccination reduces transmission, serious illness and death. surely they are only putting themselves and other unvaccinated people at risk and not those that are vaccinated. Just saying. "That's not how vaccines work. Some people can't have the vaccine due to medical issues, those of us that can have the vaccine, protect those that CAN'T, not those that just don't want to. | |||
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"Not all people who don’t want / can’t have the vaccine are anti vaccers. Some just would like to see proven results and real test period before they accept the unknown been injected into their bodies. " | |||
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"The person I know who has not and will not be taking the vaccination is happy to take the consequences I think that is more acceptable. I would like to know if there will be special guidance for those who are exempt on medical grounds. There is a big difference between cant and won't. I don't know. This person won't be having it due to genuine needle phobia. " I have needle phobia when I got COVID I was hospitalised and I was having blood taken 4-5 times a day and given injections left right and centre I had 8 different cannulas with stuff pumped in constantly. They left blood pooring down my hand every time and I hate blood too! I’ve had my first vaccine and it was over in seconds. I will never get over that awful experience needle phobia or not I’d advise anyone to get it! | |||
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"The person I know who has not and will not be taking the vaccination is happy to take the consequences I think that is more acceptable. I would like to know if there will be special guidance for those who are exempt on medical grounds. There is a big difference between cant and won't. I don't know. This person won't be having it due to genuine needle phobia. G has terrible needle phobia even of other people getting vaccinations and blood tests but she has gone for her first vaccine today. M" Nipple piercing tells a different story... | |||
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"The person I know who has not and will not be taking the vaccination is happy to take the consequences I think that is more acceptable. I would like to know if there will be special guidance for those who are exempt on medical grounds. There is a big difference between cant and won't. I don't know. This person won't be having it due to genuine needle phobia. G has terrible needle phobia even of other people getting vaccinations and blood tests but she has gone for her first vaccine today. M" Good for her. | |||
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"The person I know who has not and will not be taking the vaccination is happy to take the consequences I think that is more acceptable. I would like to know if there will be special guidance for those who are exempt on medical grounds. There is a big difference between cant and won't. I don't know. This person won't be having it due to genuine needle phobia. I have needle phobia when I got COVID I was hospitalised and I was having blood taken 4-5 times a day and given injections left right and centre I had 8 different cannulas with stuff pumped in constantly. They left blood pooring down my hand every time and I hate blood too! I’ve had my first vaccine and it was over in seconds. I will never get over that awful experience needle phobia or not I’d advise anyone to get it! " I think most people would advise anyone who was able to, to get the vaccination. This person's phobia is to the extent that they actually refused potentially life saving treatment in a and e. | |||
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"The person I know who has not and will not be taking the vaccination is happy to take the consequences I think that is more acceptable. I would like to know if there will be special guidance for those who are exempt on medical grounds. There is a big difference between cant and won't. I don't know. This person won't be having it due to genuine needle phobia. I have needle phobia when I got COVID I was hospitalised and I was having blood taken 4-5 times a day and given injections left right and centre I had 8 different cannulas with stuff pumped in constantly. They left blood pooring down my hand every time and I hate blood too! I’ve had my first vaccine and it was over in seconds. I will never get over that awful experience needle phobia or not I’d advise anyone to get it! I think most people would advise anyone who was able to, to get the vaccination. This person's phobia is to the extent that they actually refused potentially life saving treatment in a and e. " I wouldn’t have advised anyone to until I saw what COVID can do to you actually. | |||
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"After the news today that only those under 18 or double vaccinated by more than 2 weeks after 9th August will not have to self isolate if in close contact with a person who has tested positive for covid. Are you know more likely to want to accept the vaccine or happy to take the consequences?" You are aware that it's everyone who suffers the consequences if we end up with such high cases it's back to lockdown with limited access no events no pubs no clubs and no flying abroad | |||
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"Blimey what about the percentage of people who will catch covid and spread it whilst being double vaccinated
A much lower chance, and those already vaccinated will be unlikely to suffer from serious disease or die.
People that choose not to be vaccinated are putting themselves and others at risk, it's not the vaccinated people that will be spreading covid like wildfire, the current data confirms that vaccination reduces transmission, serious illness and death. surely they are only putting themselves and other unvaccinated people at risk and not those that are vaccinated. Just saying.
That's not how vaccines work. Some people can't have the vaccine due to medical issues, those of us that can have the vaccine, protect those that CAN'T, not those that just don't want to. "erm no freedom of choice is a great thing | |||
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"After the news today that only those under 18 or double vaccinated by more than 2 weeks after 9th August will not have to self isolate if in close contact with a person who has tested positive for covid. Are you know more likely to want to accept the vaccine or happy to take the consequences? You are aware that it's everyone who suffers the consequences if we end up with such high cases it's back to lockdown with limited access no events no pubs no clubs and no flying abroad" you do know that’s happening in winter anyway don’t you and it’s due to the previous lockdowns and non exposure to flu | |||
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"Blimey what about the percentage of people who will catch covid and spread it whilst being double vaccinated
A much lower chance, and those already vaccinated will be unlikely to suffer from serious disease or die.
People that choose not to be vaccinated are putting themselves and others at risk, it's not the vaccinated people that will be spreading covid like wildfire, the current data confirms that vaccination reduces transmission, serious illness and death. surely they are only putting themselves and other unvaccinated people at risk and not those that are vaccinated. Just saying.
That's not how vaccines work. Some people can't have the vaccine due to medical issues, those of us that can have the vaccine, protect those that CAN'T, not those that just don't want to. erm no freedom of choice is a great thing "Ermm yes, that's how vaccines work, just because you don't want to have it, that doesn't make the whole point of vaccines moot. 
Honestly, don't have it if you don't want to, but don't pretend you're doing it for any other reason than pure stubbornness and as a way to stick your fingers up at the government. | |||
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"Blimey what about the percentage of people who will catch covid and spread it whilst being double vaccinated
A much lower chance, and those already vaccinated will be unlikely to suffer from serious disease or die.
People that choose not to be vaccinated are putting themselves and others at risk, it's not the vaccinated people that will be spreading covid like wildfire, the current data confirms that vaccination reduces transmission, serious illness and death. surely they are only putting themselves and other unvaccinated people at risk and not those that are vaccinated. Just saying.
That's not how vaccines work. Some people can't have the vaccine due to medical issues, those of us that can have the vaccine, protect those that CAN'T, not those that just don't want to. erm no freedom of choice is a great thing
Ermm yes, that's how vaccines work, just because you don't want to have it, that doesn't make the whole point of vaccines moot.
Honestly, don't have it if you don't want to, but don't pretend you're doing it for any other reason than pure stubbornness and as a way to stick your fingers up at the government. "no that is not the point at all. Many people don’t want them because they don’t trust them as yet and that’s perfectly understandable. Most of them don’t care if people have them or not they just don’t like the bullying tactics that are being used to get people to have them. If enough people have it it matters not if a few don’t so why should they be harassed. I also like your assumptions that I have not had one or both jabs as yet. | |||
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"Blimey what about the percentage of people who will catch covid and spread it whilst being double vaccinated
A much lower chance, and those already vaccinated will be unlikely to suffer from serious disease or die.
People that choose not to be vaccinated are putting themselves and others at risk, it's not the vaccinated people that will be spreading covid like wildfire, the current data confirms that vaccination reduces transmission, serious illness and death. surely they are only putting themselves and other unvaccinated people at risk and not those that are vaccinated. Just saying.
That's not how vaccines work. Some people can't have the vaccine due to medical issues, those of us that can have the vaccine, protect those that CAN'T, not those that just don't want to. erm no freedom of choice is a great thing
Ermm yes, that's how vaccines work, just because you don't want to have it, that doesn't make the whole point of vaccines moot.
Honestly, don't have it if you don't want to, but don't pretend you're doing it for any other reason than pure stubbornness and as a way to stick your fingers up at the government. no that is not the point at all. Many people don’t want them because they don’t trust them as yet and that’s perfectly understandable. Most of them don’t care if people have them or not they just don’t like the bullying tactics that are being used to get people to have them. If enough people have it it matters not if a few don’t so why should they be harassed. I also like your assumptions that I have not had one or both jabs as yet. "Well, what else am I supposed to assume? Yes, if enough people have it, herd immunity kicks in and those that can't have it are protected, exactly the point of vaccines.  | |||
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"Blimey what about the percentage of people who will catch covid and spread it whilst being double vaccinated
A much lower chance, and those already vaccinated will be unlikely to suffer from serious disease or die.
People that choose not to be vaccinated are putting themselves and others at risk, it's not the vaccinated people that will be spreading covid like wildfire, the current data confirms that vaccination reduces transmission, serious illness and death. surely they are only putting themselves and other unvaccinated people at risk and not those that are vaccinated. Just saying.
That's not how vaccines work. Some people can't have the vaccine due to medical issues, those of us that can have the vaccine, protect those that CAN'T, not those that just don't want to. erm no freedom of choice is a great thing
Ermm yes, that's how vaccines work, just because you don't want to have it, that doesn't make the whole point of vaccines moot.
Honestly, don't have it if you don't want to, but don't pretend you're doing it for any other reason than pure stubbornness and as a way to stick your fingers up at the government. no that is not the point at all. Many people don’t want them because they don’t trust them as yet and that’s perfectly understandable. Most of them don’t care if people have them or not they just don’t like the bullying tactics that are being used to get people to have them. If enough people have it it matters not if a few don’t so why should they be harassed. I also like your assumptions that I have not had one or both jabs as yet.
Well, what else am I supposed to assume?
Yes, if enough people have it, herd immunity kicks in and those that can't have it are protected, exactly the point of vaccines. "I believe in people’s freedom of choice. I do not agree with creating a devide. What are we doing for all those people who have lost loved ones if a direct result of taking the vaccine. So we have allowed the goverment to decide one persons life is actually worth more that another. Most of those people who died having had the vaccine would not have died from covid. Let people choose and stop the scare mongering. What next we all have Tom travel on different buses, go to different schools, queue separately in supermarkets because of our beliefs??? | |||
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"I’m not having it and no not an anti vac just pro choice ... 1. I have allergies 2. I shall wait till the trial is over " yep sensible decision. Ignore the covidians  | |||
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"The person I know who has not and will not be taking the vaccination is happy to take the consequences I think that is more acceptable. I would like to know if there will be special guidance for those who are exempt on medical grounds. There is a big difference between cant and won't. I don't know. This person won't be having it due to genuine needle phobia. G has terrible needle phobia even of other people getting vaccinations and blood tests but she has gone for her first vaccine today. M Nipple piercing tells a different story... " Not at all she hates the thought of needles coming at her and the time it took to get the piercing done she really wanted it but hated it being done but loves the results | |||
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"I'm double Pfizered, last jab 5 weeks ago. Currently ill with Covid so not having to isolate doesn't make sense to me " Double jabbed and ill with covid ? Dear me , its becoming all too familiar My neighbour has had covid twice , once before jab now after 2 Jabs and this time a lot sicker Now she wishes she would have kept her natural immunity. | |||
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"I’m not having it and no not an anti vac just pro choice ... 1. I have allergies 2. I shall wait till the trial is over " Holy shit , this just makes too much sense. You on the right forum? :D | |||
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"The person I know who has not and will not be taking the vaccination is happy to take the consequences I think that is more acceptable. I would like to know if there will be special guidance for those who are exempt on medical grounds. There is a big difference between cant and won't. I don't know. This person won't be having it due to genuine needle phobia. G has terrible needle phobia even of other people getting vaccinations and blood tests but she has gone for her first vaccine today. M Nipple piercing tells a different story... Not at all she hates the thought of needles coming at her and the time it took to get the piercing done she really wanted it but hated it being done but loves the results" I'm scared of needles too. Even the thought of getting a piercing or a tattoo anywhere in my body turns my guts. Only injections I have ever received were my vaccines when I was tiny, two genuine medical injections when I was ill in my childhood (both times I screamed and kicked paramedics to get away from them) and dental numbing ones after getting a substantial amount of numbing gel before. Not a chance in this world I would ever let a needle get anywhere near my skin for my own vanity. I became a blood donor to somewhat fight that fear, but it just made it worse. So you see.... there's just some who feel uncomfortable around needles and there's people who genuinely have phobias. Those two aren't the same in any way and should never be compared. | |||
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"The person I know who has not and will not be taking the vaccination is happy to take the consequences I think that is more acceptable. I would like to know if there will be special guidance for those who are exempt on medical grounds. There is a big difference between cant and won't. I don't know. This person won't be having it due to genuine needle phobia. G has terrible needle phobia even of other people getting vaccinations and blood tests but she has gone for her first vaccine today. M Nipple piercing tells a different story... Not at all she hates the thought of needles coming at her and the time it took to get the piercing done she really wanted it but hated it being done but loves the results I'm scared of needles too. Even the thought of getting a piercing or a tattoo anywhere in my body turns my guts. Only injections I have ever received were my vaccines when I was tiny, two genuine medical injections when I was ill in my childhood (both times I screamed and kicked paramedics to get away from them) and dental numbing ones after getting a substantial amount of numbing gel before. Not a chance in this world I would ever let a needle get anywhere near my skin for my own vanity. I became a blood donor to somewhat fight that fear, but it just made it worse. So you see.... there's just some who feel uncomfortable around needles and there's people who genuinely have phobias. Those two aren't the same in any way and should never be compared. " You’re welcome to your opinion however you seem to be quite dismissive in saying that unless someone feels like you they can’t have a phobia of needles and we’ll have to disagree on that as I’ve seen it firsthand with G, have a good evening | |||
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"After the news today that only those under 18 or double vaccinated by more than 2 weeks after 9th August will not have to self isolate if in close contact with a person who has tested positive for covid. Are you know more likely to want to accept the vaccine or happy to take the consequences? You are aware that it's everyone who suffers the consequences if we end up with such high cases it's back to lockdown with limited access no events no pubs no clubs and no flying abroad" Yes of course but I'm double vaccinated so iv done my bit. Its those that won't take it for whatever reason that then moan about discrimination that I have difficulty with. | |||
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"The person I know who has not and will not be taking the vaccination is happy to take the consequences I think that is more acceptable. I would like to know if there will be special guidance for those who are exempt on medical grounds. There is a big difference between cant and won't. I don't know. This person won't be having it due to genuine needle phobia. " Out of interest, if this person you speak of was bitten by a snake and was told if they do not have the antidote injected in the next 5 minutes, then they will die, would they still have the phobia against needles?? | |||
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"I'm double Pfizered, last jab 5 weeks ago. Currently ill with Covid so not having to isolate doesn't make sense to me Exactly, where all new infections coming from...from vaccinated people " Are they? Or are they coming from unvaccinated people and spreading to people that have been vaccinated!!! | |||
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"After the news today that only those under 18 or double vaccinated by more than 2 weeks after 9th August will not have to self isolate if in close contact with a person who has tested positive for covid. Are you know more likely to want to accept the vaccine or happy to take the consequences? You are aware that it's everyone who suffers the consequences if we end up with such high cases it's back to lockdown with limited access no events no pubs no clubs and no flying abroad Yes of course but I'm double vaccinated so iv done my bit. Its those that won't take it for whatever reason that then moan about discrimination that I have difficulty with. " blimey should we just luck every one up who wants a choice | |||
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"For many reasons it would be the consequence " And that is not an issue if people want to make a choice and and face the consequences thats not a problem because there are so many people that say I will wait till loads of others have had it and untill the trial is over. People who decided to take the vaccine made a choice even though it had potential consequences and it just feels those that for whatever reason don't want it want everyone else to make all the sacrifices and then they will ride on their coat tails. | |||
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"After the news today that only those under 18 or double vaccinated by more than 2 weeks after 9th August will not have to self isolate if in close contact with a person who has tested positive for covid. Are you know more likely to want to accept the vaccine or happy to take the consequences? You are aware that it's everyone who suffers the consequences if we end up with such high cases it's back to lockdown with limited access no events no pubs no clubs and no flying abroad Yes of course but I'm double vaccinated so iv done my bit. Its those that won't take it for whatever reason that then moan about discrimination that I have difficulty with. blimey should we just luck every one up who wants a choice " No one has said that however every single choice that we make in life has a consequence this is no different. | |||
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"I'm double Pfizered, last jab 5 weeks ago. Currently ill with Covid so not having to isolate doesn't make sense to me Exactly, where all new infections coming from...from vaccinated people " Untrue, the majority of cases are in people who aren't fully vaccinated but why let the facts get in the way of anti-vax nonsense? | |||
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"I'm double Pfizered, last jab 5 weeks ago. Currently ill with Covid so not having to isolate doesn't make sense to me Exactly, where all new infections coming from...from vaccinated people Untrue, the majority of cases are in people who aren't fully vaccinated but why let the facts get in the way of anti-vax nonsense? " I dont necessarily think that someone holes that view was an anti-vaxer. However I guess it is easy to believe that it doesn't matter whether you have or not to justify their decision. | |||
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"After the news today that only those under 18 or double vaccinated by more than 2 weeks after 9th August will not have to self isolate if in close contact with a person who has tested positive for covid. Are you know more likely to want to accept the vaccine or happy to take the consequences? You are aware that it's everyone who suffers the consequences if we end up with such high cases it's back to lockdown with limited access no events no pubs no clubs and no flying abroad you do know that’s happening in winter anyway don’t you and it’s due to the previous lockdowns and non exposure to flu " Forget about winter it'll happen long before then lockdown prevented spread less people in contact with others basically clock is ticking and as before the government doesn't give a toss hence most of the MP against the decision that the government has decided. | |||
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"I'm double Pfizered, last jab 5 weeks ago. Currently ill with Covid so not having to isolate doesn't make sense to me " They are not saying that vaccinated people won't have to isolate, they're saying that they will only need to isolate if they also have a positive test. | |||
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"After the news today that only those under 18 or double vaccinated by more than 2 weeks after 9th August will not have to self isolate if in close contact with a person who has tested positive for covid. Are you know more likely to want to accept the vaccine or happy to take the consequences?" No way too risky have heard about blood clots thought like was anti vax but friend of mine went blind after it blood clot behind eye do Nooooooo | |||
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"The person I know who has not and will not be taking the vaccination is happy to take the consequences I think that is more acceptable. I would like to know if there will be special guidance for those who are exempt on medical grounds. There is a big difference between cant and won't. I don't know. This person won't be having it due to genuine needle phobia. Thats a tricky one. I wonder if there will be another form the vaccination could take for example the flu vaccine can be given in nasal spray form." Under development I believe | |||
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"After the news today that only those under 18 or double vaccinated by more than 2 weeks after 9th August will not have to self isolate if in close contact with a person who has tested positive for covid. Are you know more likely to want to accept the vaccine or happy to take the consequences?No way too risky have heard about blood clots thought like was anti vax but friend of mine went blind after it blood clot behind eye do Nooooooo" But then it's all so way to risky to catch covid without any protection. To flip what you said I know loads of people have had both vaccinations And had no problems, I also know several people who have had covid and are still unwell months on. | |||
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"The person I know who has not and will not be taking the vaccination is happy to take the consequences I think that is more acceptable. I would like to know if there will be special guidance for those who are exempt on medical grounds. There is a big difference between cant and won't. I don't know. This person won't be having it due to genuine needle phobia. Thats a tricky one. I wonder if there will be another form the vaccination could take for example the flu vaccine can be given in nasal spray form. Under development I believe" Do you know if that will just be for children like the flu vaccine? | |||
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"After the news today that only those under 18 or double vaccinated by more than 2 weeks after 9th August will not have to self isolate if in close contact with a person who has tested positive for covid. Are you know more likely to want to accept the vaccine or happy to take the consequences?No way too risky have heard about blood clots thought like was anti vax but friend of mine went blind after it blood clot behind eye do Nooooooo" You're more likely to get a blood clot from covid. | |||
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"I'm double Pfizered, last jab 5 weeks ago. Currently ill with Covid so not having to isolate doesn't make sense to me Exactly, where all new infections coming from...from vaccinated people Untrue, the majority of cases are in people who aren't fully vaccinated but why let the facts get in the way of anti-vax nonsense? I dont necessarily think that someone holes that view was an anti-vaxer. However I guess it is easy to believe that it doesn't matter whether you have or not to justify their decision. " The problem is that these stories originate from anti vaxxers, then people repeat them as fact, hence anti vax nonsense, it all stems from the same place. Also, if anyone has anything to say to me, say it in the thread, I'm not interested in private little rants. | |||
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"I'm double Pfizered, last jab 5 weeks ago. Currently ill with Covid so not having to isolate doesn't make sense to me Exactly, where all new infections coming from...from vaccinated people Untrue, the majority of cases are in people who aren't fully vaccinated but why let the facts get in the way of anti-vax nonsense? I dont necessarily think that someone holes that view was an anti-vaxer. However I guess it is easy to believe that it doesn't matter whether you have or not to justify their decision. The problem is that these stories originate from anti vaxxers, then people repeat them as fact, hence anti vax nonsense, it all stems from the same place. Also, if anyone has anything to say to me, say it in the thread, I'm not interested in private little rants. " Yeah I guess so. I just think that I completely understand some people might be hesitant to take the vaccine and therefore not an anti-vax however I still think people need to except that their choice whilst I have every right to make it still has consequences like all of our choices do. | |||
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"I'm double Pfizered, last jab 5 weeks ago. Currently ill with Covid so not having to isolate doesn't make sense to me Exactly, where all new infections coming from...from vaccinated people Untrue, the majority of cases are in people who aren't fully vaccinated but why let the facts get in the way of anti-vax nonsense? I dont necessarily think that someone holes that view was an anti-vaxer. However I guess it is easy to believe that it doesn't matter whether you have or not to justify their decision. The problem is that these stories originate from anti vaxxers, then people repeat them as fact, hence anti vax nonsense, it all stems from the same place. Also, if anyone has anything to say to me, say it in the thread, I'm not interested in private little rants. " We have disagreed on non Covid matters Keeley in the past. However I find all your posts on Covid spot on. I just don't know where you find all your energy to counter post any of the bull shit. I try not to get involved as there is so much to counter argue against. I really respect you for doing it though. | |||
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"I'm double Pfizered, last jab 5 weeks ago. Currently ill with Covid so not having to isolate doesn't make sense to me Exactly, where all new infections coming from...from vaccinated people Untrue, the majority of cases are in people who aren't fully vaccinated but why let the facts get in the way of anti-vax nonsense? I dont necessarily think that someone holes that view was an anti-vaxer. However I guess it is easy to believe that it doesn't matter whether you have or not to justify their decision. The problem is that these stories originate from anti vaxxers, then people repeat them as fact, hence anti vax nonsense, it all stems from the same place. Also, if anyone has anything to say to me, say it in the thread, I'm not interested in private little rants. We have disagreed on non Covid matters Keeley in the past. However I find all your posts on Covid spot on. I just don't know where you find all your energy to counter post any of the bull shit. I try not to get involved as there is so much to counter argue against. I really respect you for doing it though." Haha, I disagree with alot of people on alot of subjects, I'm actually a decent person at heart though, I'm just opinionated and not afraid to say what I think 
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"Regardless of if the 19th goes ahead as planned or not, we was always going to be full lockdown from Oct/ Nov So prepare as its coming The vaxed will say its because of the anti vax etc but most people catching covid or a huge chunk are already vaxxed. The lockdown was always going to happen as the government are authoritarian zealots. Once we handed over so much power to these people it was enivetable. We will never ever get infront of the new variants, your September jab will be from a variant long gone. But people here should really stop screeching at those that don't want the jab. Just have your jabs, infact have multiple jabs, double or triple mask and stop whining. If you believe in the jab so much then be happy , mask up everywhere and get on with it" | |||
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"I’ve been double jabbed, been super careful, limited contact with people all through lockdown. Everyone I know has been double jabbed apart from 1 person who I saw at the weekend. Said person also refuses to wear a mask. It looks like she picked up Covid some time last week and ive then picked it up from her at the weekend. My daily lateral flow tests are still showing negative (1 a day since Monday) despite positive PCR test taken Tuesday. I had a PCR test Monday that was negative. I’m not really poorly yet and if I hadn’t been in contact with someone confirmed I wouldn’t have thought I had it. I only tested because I’m paranoid and can get a bit obsessive/compulsive about these things. Very worrying because if this had happened in a months time I would be free to roam despite having contact with a confirmed case and could have spread my undetected Covid around. Most people aren’t as paranoid as me so likely wouldn’t test. I can see us being back in lockdown within weeks of them lifting the restrictions. I thought the easing was a great idea until I got it, but now I see how easily it’ll spread and it makes me a bit terrified tbh. " is it possible your first test was wrong? | |||
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"After the news today that only those under 18 or double vaccinated by more than 2 weeks after 9th August will not have to self isolate if in close contact with a person who has tested positive for covid. Are you know more likely to want to accept the vaccine or happy to take the consequences?No way too risky have heard about blood clots thought like was anti vax but friend of mine went blind after it blood clot behind eye do Nooooooo You're more likely to get a blood clot from covid. " big difference is you stand a chance of getting covid but you might not, you might get it and not be that I’ll you might not even get yet. Yet there is still a real risk you could be very ill from a jab and you want to force everyone to have it??? | |||
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"I’ve been double jabbed, been super careful, limited contact with people all through lockdown. Everyone I know has been double jabbed apart from 1 person who I saw at the weekend. Said person also refuses to wear a mask. It looks like she picked up Covid some time last week and ive then picked it up from her at the weekend. My daily lateral flow tests are still showing negative (1 a day since Monday) despite positive PCR test taken Tuesday. I had a PCR test Monday that was negative. I’m not really poorly yet and if I hadn’t been in contact with someone confirmed I wouldn’t have thought I had it. I only tested because I’m paranoid and can get a bit obsessive/compulsive about these things. Very worrying because if this had happened in a months time I would be free to roam despite having contact with a confirmed case and could have spread my undetected Covid around. Most people aren’t as paranoid as me so likely wouldn’t test. I can see us being back in lockdown within weeks of them lifting the restrictions. I thought the easing was a great idea until I got it, but now I see how easily it’ll spread and it makes me a bit terrified tbh. is it possible your first test was wrong? " I don’t think so, I think more likely it just took a few days to show up. They don’t recommend you get tested straight after exposure because it takes a while to show. I got a test straight away in case I was positive but asymptomatic and spreading without knowing. | |||
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"If you have both vaccines, there is LESS chance of you getting Covid. And LESS chance you will die if you do. And LESS chance you will spread the virus. Not no chance but, across the population, those “less chances” add up to a massive reduction in deaths (as the stats show). It’s like wearing your seatbelt in your car - there’s LESS chance you’ll die in a car crash, not no chance. Sometimes your seatbelt will, as a side effect, break your ribs as it prevents you from exiting your car through your windscreen. Seatbelts are still awesome though. A final though about the “needle-phobics”… I wonder how many will suddenly find their needle-phobia overcomeable when they’re in intensive care dying of Covid and in desperate need of intra-venous medication. I bet suddenly needles are tolerable. Must be appalling for the needle-phobe and their family to think that two tiny injections, a couple of months before, could have prevented such catastrophic illness. " i should imagine a needdlephobe in intensive care will be so out of the game they wont even know there being stuck with a needle | |||
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"One thing I'd never do is track and trace this goes beyond privacy just like when people have set their device for other apps I never share my life I act secure" yet this is almost as important as vaccines. My daughter in law had been out last week and she did track and trace. They contacted her..and she tested.. turns out she is positive so isolating now .. if she hadn't done track and trace she wouldn't have known till later | |||
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"Had Covid 19 confirmed in February that offers the same if not more protection as any vaccine and the reinfection rate of Covid 19 is that low they don’t like putting the official stat out last time I looked on public health England link was something like 57 confirmed cases from March 2020 to may 2021 " Ssshhhhh..... You're not supposed to say things like that here or you'll be jumped on by the fear fanatics. | |||
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"After the news today that only those under 18 or double vaccinated by more than 2 weeks after 9th August will not have to self isolate if in close contact with a person who has tested positive for covid. Are you know more likely to want to accept the vaccine or happy to take the consequences?No way too risky have heard about blood clots thought like was anti vax but friend of mine went blind after it blood clot behind eye do Nooooooo You're more likely to get a blood clot from covid. big difference is you stand a chance of getting covid but you might not, you might get it and not be that I’ll you might not even get yet. Yet there is still a real risk you could be very ill from a jab and you want to force everyone to have it???" That literally makes no sense, many millions of people have had the jab with no serious side effects at all. The risk of getting a blood clot from a vaccine is miniscule, far smaller than the risk of catching covid, and smaller still than the risk of getting a blood clot from covid. | |||
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"Regardless of if the 19th goes ahead as planned or not, we was always going to be full lockdown from Oct/ Nov So prepare as its coming The vaxed will say its because of the anti vax etc but most people catching covid or a huge chunk are already vaxxed. The lockdown was always going to happen as the government are authoritarian zealots. Once we handed over so much power to these people it was enivetable. We will never ever get infront of the new variants, your September jab will be from a variant long gone. But people here should really stop screeching at those that don't want the jab. Just have your jabs, infact have multiple jabs, double or triple mask and stop whining. If you believe in the jab so much then be happy , mask up everywhere and get on with it" Think you got wrong goverment. They will do a ything to avoid lockdiwn you are talking uk | |||
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"I’ve been double jabbed, been super careful, limited contact with people all through lockdown. Everyone I know has been double jabbed apart from 1 person who I saw at the weekend. Said person also refuses to wear a mask. It looks like she picked up Covid some time last week and ive then picked it up from her at the weekend. My daily lateral flow tests are still showing negative (1 a day since Monday) despite positive PCR test taken Tuesday. I had a PCR test Monday that was negative. I’m not really poorly yet and if I hadn’t been in contact with someone confirmed I wouldn’t have thought I had it. I only tested because I’m paranoid and can get a bit obsessive/compulsive about these things. Very worrying because if this had happened in a months time I would be free to roam despite having contact with a confirmed case and could have spread my undetected Covid around. Most people aren’t as paranoid as me so likely wouldn’t test. I can see us being back in lockdown within weeks of them lifting the restrictions. I thought the easing was a great idea until I got it, but now I see how easily it’ll spread and it makes me a bit terrified tbh. is it possible your first test was wrong? I don’t think so, I think more likely it just took a few days to show up. They don’t recommend you get tested straight after exposure because it takes a while to show. I got a test straight away in case I was positive but asymptomatic and spreading without knowing. " Hope you feeling better now | |||
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"For me personally I will never have this injection regrdless of what they offer. Those that do thats your choice. I have not read any of the comments so not aimed at anyone. But having a dig at those that have made their choice, either way, why? Whats the point. " I have done my own research to be able reach the conclusion that its not for me and its not safe. The risks of it far out way than the reputed risk of sars | |||
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"No you are wrong. My cousin had both jabs and still got covid. Was still very sick, although not admitted to hospital, and still passed it throughout the household so it doesn't stop anything. Seems a waste of time to me. " Some people just seem to lack any ability to comprehend what is repeated over and over and over and.... Noone ever said having two jabs will stop you catching Covid. As with most jabs (for all sorts of infectious diseases), the jab primes your body's immune system so that, as and when you do encounter the virus, hopfully your body will be able to fight it quickly, and reduce the impact. Sometimes it will be very effective at this and you won't even know you have caught it and other times not quite so. Be thankfull your cousin HAD been vaccinated as without it the consequences may have been much worse. If you do catch the virus (having been vaccinated), it's obvious that there is the chance you can pass it on, so no surprise there. But if the vaccine is working for you, hopefully you will not get as sick & are therefore less likely to be passing around a heavy viral load, so the risk of passing it on is reduced by having had the vaccine. To state "Seems a waste of time to me" is plain nonesense but heyho.... the last time I was in the US I was handed a flyer purporting to prove the Earth was actually flat and that the moon landings had never happened..... | |||
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"No you are wrong. My cousin had both jabs and still got covid. Was still very sick, although not admitted to hospital, and still passed it throughout the household so it doesn't stop anything. Seems a waste of time to me. Some people just seem to lack any ability to comprehend what is repeated over and over and over and.... Noone ever said having two jabs will stop you catching Covid. As with most jabs (for all sorts of infectious diseases), the jab primes your body's immune system so that, as and when you do encounter the virus, hopfully your body will be able to fight it quickly, and reduce the impact. Sometimes it will be very effective at this and you won't even know you have caught it and other times not quite so. Be thankfull your cousin HAD been vaccinated as without it the consequences may have been much worse. If you do catch the virus (having been vaccinated), it's obvious that there is the chance you can pass it on, so no surprise there. But if the vaccine is working for you, hopefully you will not get as sick & are therefore less likely to be passing around a heavy viral load, so the risk of passing it on is reduced by having had the vaccine. To state "Seems a waste of time to me" is plain nonesense but heyho.... the last time I was in the US I was handed a flyer purporting to prove the Earth was actually flat and that the moon landings had never happened....." I agree how many times Been told Also breakthrough cases, ig googled explains this. Worrying people don't seem to have the intelligence to understand what you have shared | |||
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"One of my friends on here didn't want to get the vaccine but he's changed his mind now x Was it the endless freebies on offer or the guilt trip from friends/family? or maybe fear porn on the TV?" missing ourt here "endless freebies" all I got was a sticker. | |||
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"For me personally I will never have this injection regrdless of what they offer. Those that do thats your choice. I have not read any of the comments so not aimed at anyone. But having a dig at those that have made their choice, either way, why? Whats the point. I have done my own research to be able reach the conclusion that its not for me and its not safe. The risks of it far out way than the reputed risk of sars" What qualifications and experience do you have in this field to decide it isn't safe? | |||
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"For me personally I will never have this injection regrdless of what they offer. Those that do thats your choice. I have not read any of the comments so not aimed at anyone. But having a dig at those that have made their choice, either way, why? Whats the point. " Actually most of the people making the date of those that are saying peoples are silly to have the vaccine as it is an experimental drug. My post was more about if people would change their mind now that their choice looks like it's going to have consequences. | |||
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"For me personally I will never have this injection regrdless of what they offer. Those that do thats your choice. I have not read any of the comments so not aimed at anyone. But having a dig at those that have made their choice, either way, why? Whats the point. I have done my own research to be able reach the conclusion that its not for me and its not safe. The risks of it far out way than the reputed risk of sars What qualifications and experience do you have in this field to decide it isn't safe? " What qualifications do I need to decide if somethings safe for me or not? | |||
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"For me personally I will never have this injection regrdless of what they offer. Those that do thats your choice. I have not read any of the comments so not aimed at anyone. But having a dig at those that have made their choice, either way, why? Whats the point. I have done my own research to be able reach the conclusion that its not for me and its not safe. The risks of it far out way than the reputed risk of sars What qualifications and experience do you have in this field to decide it isn't safe? What qualifications do I need to decide if somethings safe for me or not? " Some sort of medical degree I would guess! I tend to go by real world evidence rather than just deciding something isn't safe. You cannot just state something isn't safe because you dont think it is when there is very little evidence to suggest that for the vast majority of the population it is perfectly safe to take. | |||
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"For me personally I will never have this injection regrdless of what they offer. Those that do thats your choice. I have not read any of the comments so not aimed at anyone. But having a dig at those that have made their choice, either way, why? Whats the point. I have done my own research to be able reach the conclusion that its not for me and its not safe. The risks of it far out way than the reputed risk of sars What qualifications and experience do you have in this field to decide it isn't safe? What qualifications do I need to decide if somethings safe for me or not? Some sort of medical degree I would guess! I tend to go by real world evidence rather than just deciding something isn't safe. You cannot just state something isn't safe because you dont think it is when there is very little evidence to suggest that for the vast majority of the population it is perfectly safe to take." | |||
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"For me personally I will never have this injection regrdless of what they offer. Those that do thats your choice. I have not read any of the comments so not aimed at anyone. But having a dig at those that have made their choice, either way, why? Whats the point. I have done my own research to be able reach the conclusion that its not for me and its not safe. The risks of it far out way than the reputed risk of sars What qualifications and experience do you have in this field to decide it isn't safe? What qualifications do I need to decide if somethings safe for me or not? Some sort of medical degree I would guess! I tend to go by real world evidence rather than just deciding something isn't safe. You cannot just state something isn't safe because you dont think it is when there is very little evidence to suggest that for the vast majority of the population it is perfectly safe to take." Like i said in my op. Its your choice to have it or not. | |||
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"For me personally I will never have this injection regrdless of what they offer. Those that do thats your choice. I have not read any of the comments so not aimed at anyone. But having a dig at those that have made their choice, either way, why? Whats the point. I have done my own research to be able reach the conclusion that its not for me and its not safe. The risks of it far out way than the reputed risk of sars What qualifications and experience do you have in this field to decide it isn't safe? What qualifications do I need to decide if somethings safe for me or not? " Well, when the majority of scientific evidence points towards the safety of the vaccines, just deciding it's not safe 'because you can', seems abit silly. | |||
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"For me personally I will never have this injection regrdless of what they offer. Those that do thats your choice. I have not read any of the comments so not aimed at anyone. But having a dig at those that have made their choice, either way, why? Whats the point. I have done my own research to be able reach the conclusion that its not for me and its not safe. The risks of it far out way than the reputed risk of sars What qualifications and experience do you have in this field to decide it isn't safe? What qualifications do I need to decide if somethings safe for me or not? Some sort of medical degree I would guess! I tend to go by real world evidence rather than just deciding something isn't safe. You cannot just state something isn't safe because you dont think it is when there is very little evidence to suggest that for the vast majority of the population it is perfectly safe to take. Like i said in my op. Its your choice to have it or not." Yes it is and is not my place to tell you to have it and I haven't. it is also not your place to tell others that despite evidence pointing in the other direction that it is not safe! | |||
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"I'm double Pfizered, last jab 5 weeks ago. Currently ill with Covid so not having to isolate doesn't make sense to me Exactly, where all new infections coming from...from vaccinated people Are they? Or are they coming from unvaccinated people and spreading to people that have been vaccinated!!!" Another uneducated covidian...New variants either came from abroad i.e India, Brazil or as a reslt of lockdown i.e. Kent Variant....NOT I REPEAT NOT YOUR NEIGHBOUR OR THE LADY DOWN THE ROAD | |||
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"I'm double Pfizered, last jab 5 weeks ago. Currently ill with Covid so not having to isolate doesn't make sense to me Exactly, where all new infections coming from...from vaccinated people Are they? Or are they coming from unvaccinated people and spreading to people that have been vaccinated!!! Another uneducated covidian...New variants either came from abroad i.e India, Brazil or as a reslt of lockdown i.e. Kent Variant....NOT I REPEAT NOT YOUR NEIGHBOUR OR THE LADY DOWN THE ROAD "Don't call me uneducated! It doesn't matter where they came from you said people who are vaccinated or passing it on to unvaccinated people you have no I do if that is true or not. Please refrain from making assumptions and please remember its possible for you to disagree with me without throwing insults around. That would be much appreciated. | |||
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"I'm double Pfizered, last jab 5 weeks ago. Currently ill with Covid so not having to isolate doesn't make sense to me Exactly, where all new infections coming from...from vaccinated people Are they? Or are they coming from unvaccinated people and spreading to people that have been vaccinated!!! Another uneducated covidian...New variants either came from abroad i.e India, Brazil or as a reslt of lockdown i.e. Kent Variant....NOT I REPEAT NOT YOUR NEIGHBOUR OR THE LADY DOWN THE ROAD "So all new variants come from abroad except the Kent variant which was caused by lock down! Also it could well come from my neighbour or the lady down the road if she's been abroad or to Kent don't you think? | |||
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"I'm double Pfizered, last jab 5 weeks ago. Currently ill with Covid so not having to isolate doesn't make sense to me Exactly, where all new infections coming from...from vaccinated people Are they? Or are they coming from unvaccinated people and spreading to people that have been vaccinated!!! Another uneducated covidian...New variants either came from abroad i.e India, Brazil or as a reslt of lockdown i.e. Kent Variant....NOT I REPEAT NOT YOUR NEIGHBOUR OR THE LADY DOWN THE ROAD
So all new variants come from abroad except the Kent variant which was caused by lock down!
Also it could well come from my neighbour or the lady down the road if she's been abroad or to Kent don't you think?"I wouldn't bother trying to have a conversation with him, it's like watching paint dry. | |||
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"The ones not being vaccinated don't have track and trace silly.... im double jabbed and dont have track and trace enough crap on my phone dont need yet another app" Is it heavier when you have more apps on it? Asking for a really stupid friend. | |||
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"For me personally I will never have this injection regrdless of what they offer. Those that do thats your choice. I have not read any of the comments so not aimed at anyone. But having a dig at those that have made their choice, either way, why? Whats the point. I have done my own research to be able reach the conclusion that its not for me and its not safe. The risks of it far out way than the reputed risk of sars What qualifications and experience do you have in this field to decide it isn't safe? What qualifications do I need to decide if somethings safe for me or not? Some sort of medical degree I would guess! I tend to go by real world evidence rather than just deciding something isn't safe. You cannot just state something isn't safe because you dont think it is when there is very little evidence to suggest that for the vast majority of the population it is perfectly safe to take. Like i said in my op. Its your choice to have it or not. Yes it is and is not my place to tell you to have it and I haven't. it is also not your place to tell others that despite evidence pointing in the other direction that it is not safe!" If you read my post again you will see I actually said "for me" | |||
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"Other countries are bribing people with rewards to have it. I hope we don’t start to do that too " Why not? | |||
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"Other countries are bribing people with rewards to have it. I hope we don’t start to do that too Why not? " Why would anyone need to be bribed? It’s morally wrong to try to press gang people with bribes | |||
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"Anyone not getting bored of these covid19 threads if people are going to get the vaccine will and if not they wouldn't these threads aren't going to do any miracles" I am not bored but I wish opinions were more evenly matched | |||
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"Anyone not getting bored of these covid19 threads if people are going to get the vaccine will and if not they wouldn't these threads aren't going to do any miracles" No but I was genuinely interested to see if the new self isolation rules would change anyones mind. I know 2 people who were absolutely adamant that they wouldnt have the vaccine under any circumstances, Then when they found out that the cruise company they normally booked with would only except bookings from fully vaccinated people they soon changed their mind so I was just curious. | |||
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"Other countries are bribing people with rewards to have it. I hope we don’t start to do that too Why not? Why would anyone need to be bribed? It’s morally wrong to try to press gang people with bribes " No is and morally wrong at all. We use Insensitives to encourage people to do things all the time. | |||
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"Anyone not getting bored of these covid19 threads if people are going to get the vaccine will and if not they wouldn't these threads aren't going to do any miracles I am not bored but I wish opinions were more evenly matched" You my dear are looking for a miracle | |||
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"Anyone not getting bored of these covid19 threads if people are going to get the vaccine will and if not they wouldn't these threads aren't going to do any miracles I am not bored but I wish opinions were more evenly matched" But that is never going to happen because the majority of the adult population have had at least one if not both vaccinations so more people are going to say I have had the vaccine than not so it will never be even. | |||
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"Other countries are bribing people with rewards to have it. I hope we don’t start to do that too Why not? Why would anyone need to be bribed? It’s morally wrong to try to press gang people with bribes No is and morally wrong at all. We use Insensitives to encourage people to do things all the time. " People would not need incentives if they trusted the vaccine was safe. It would seem like a desperate move to bribe people to take something they are unsure of. That is my opinion and I am not here for an argument | |||
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"Anyone not getting bored of these covid19 threads if people are going to get the vaccine will and if not they wouldn't these threads aren't going to do any miracles No but I was genuinely interested to see if the new self isolation rules would change anyones mind. I know 2 people who were absolutely adamant that they wouldnt have the vaccine under any circumstances, Then when they found out that the cruise company they normally booked with would only except bookings from fully vaccinated people they soon changed their mind so I was just curious. " Yes but between number of members on here and the wider population who are against this isn't going to improve anything if you are aware how huge the scale of people which is several times over amount of members on fab | |||
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"Other countries are bribing people with rewards to have it. I hope we don’t start to do that too Why not? Why would anyone need to be bribed? It’s morally wrong to try to press gang people with bribes No is and morally wrong at all. We use Insensitives to encourage people to do things all the time. People would not need incentives if they trusted the vaccine was safe. It would seem like a desperate move to bribe people to take something they are unsure of. That is my opinion and I am not here for an argument " OK I'm not sure why you are being defensive because I'm not having an argumen am asking questions and responding to your posts! It is not bribing people it is using incentives and I just find it would take years that people want to take all the benefits but none of the risks. If you dont want to take the vaccine that is your choice but it is also my choice to have had the vaccine and to be annoyed that people that refuse then moan that there are consequences. | |||
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"Anyone not getting bored of these covid19 threads if people are going to get the vaccine will and if not they wouldn't these threads aren't going to do any miracles No but I was genuinely interested to see if the new self isolation rules would change anyones mind. I know 2 people who were absolutely adamant that they wouldnt have the vaccine under any circumstances, Then when they found out that the cruise company they normally booked with would only except bookings from fully vaccinated people they soon changed their mind so I was just curious. Yes but between number of members on here and the wider population who are against this isn't going to improve anything if you are aware how huge the scale of people which is several times over amount of members on fab" It has been reported on the news today that there has been an increase in people booking vaccines that have previously refused so obviously lots have changed their mind. | |||
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"Other countries are bribing people with rewards to have it. I hope we don’t start to do that too Why not? Why would anyone need to be bribed? It’s morally wrong to try to press gang people with bribes No is and morally wrong at all. We use Insensitives to encourage people to do things all the time. People would not need incentives if they trusted the vaccine was safe. It would seem like a desperate move to bribe people to take something they are unsure of. That is my opinion and I am not here for an argument OK I'm not sure why you are being defensive because I'm not having an argumen am asking questions and responding to your posts! It is not bribing people it is using incentives and I just find it would take years that people want to take all the benefits but none of the risks. If you dont want to take the vaccine that is your choice but it is also my choice to have had the vaccine and to be annoyed that people that refuse then moan that there are consequences." I am too scared to have it because of allergies and previous reactions and the doctor refers me to google and won’t give any advice. I wouldn’t want to be bribed to take it and risk my life. Sorry I’m not good with words | |||
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"Other countries are bribing people with rewards to have it. I hope we don’t start to do that too Why not? Why would anyone need to be bribed? It’s morally wrong to try to press gang people with bribes No is and morally wrong at all. We use Insensitives to encourage people to do things all the time. People would not need incentives if they trusted the vaccine was safe. It would seem like a desperate move to bribe people to take something they are unsure of. That is my opinion and I am not here for an argument OK I'm not sure why you are being defensive because I'm not having an argumen am asking questions and responding to your posts! It is not bribing people it is using incentives and I just find it would take years that people want to take all the benefits but none of the risks. If you dont want to take the vaccine that is your choice but it is also my choice to have had the vaccine and to be annoyed that people that refuse then moan that there are consequences." Totally agree | |||
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"Other countries are bribing people with rewards to have it. I hope we don’t start to do that too Why not? Why would anyone need to be bribed? It’s morally wrong to try to press gang people with bribes No is and morally wrong at all. We use Insensitives to encourage people to do things all the time. People would not need incentives if they trusted the vaccine was safe. It would seem like a desperate move to bribe people to take something they are unsure of. That is my opinion and I am not here for an argument OK I'm not sure why you are being defensive because I'm not having an argumen am asking questions and responding to your posts! It is not bribing people it is using incentives and I just find it would take years that people want to take all the benefits but none of the risks. If you dont want to take the vaccine that is your choice but it is also my choice to have had the vaccine and to be annoyed that people that refuse then moan that there are consequences. I am too scared to have it because of allergies and previous reactions and the doctor refers me to google and won’t give any advice. I wouldn’t want to be bribed to take it and risk my life. Sorry I’m not good with words " I think it's really bad that your doctor wont advise you further. When I was concerned about my disabled daughter having her vaccine. My doctor gave me 2 telephone consultations and gave me some things to go and read x | |||
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"Other countries are bribing people with rewards to have it. I hope we don’t start to do that too Why not? Why would anyone need to be bribed? It’s morally wrong to try to press gang people with bribes No is and morally wrong at all. We use Insensitives to encourage people to do things all the time. People would not need incentives if they trusted the vaccine was safe. It would seem like a desperate move to bribe people to take something they are unsure of. That is my opinion and I am not here for an argument OK I'm not sure why you are being defensive because I'm not having an argumen am asking questions and responding to your posts! It is not bribing people it is using incentives and I just find it would take years that people want to take all the benefits but none of the risks. If you dont want to take the vaccine that is your choice but it is also my choice to have had the vaccine and to be annoyed that people that refuse then moan that there are consequences. I am too scared to have it because of allergies and previous reactions and the doctor refers me to google and won’t give any advice. I wouldn’t want to be bribed to take it and risk my life. Sorry I’m not good with words " I do understand because the majority of people the dont want to take the vaccine are simply scared. However It is still a choice and there are now going to be consequences. Also you are not being bribed you are being incentivised there is a huge difference. There are incentives for many things and this is no different. Absolutely no medication is 100% safe. | |||
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"Other countries are bribing people with rewards to have it. I hope we don’t start to do that too Why not? Why would anyone need to be bribed? It’s morally wrong to try to press gang people with bribes No is and morally wrong at all. We use Insensitives to encourage people to do things all the time. People would not need incentives if they trusted the vaccine was safe. It would seem like a desperate move to bribe people to take something they are unsure of. That is my opinion and I am not here for an argument OK I'm not sure why you are being defensive because I'm not having an argumen am asking questions and responding to your posts! It is not bribing people it is using incentives and I just find it would take years that people want to take all the benefits but none of the risks. If you dont want to take the vaccine that is your choice but it is also my choice to have had the vaccine and to be annoyed that people that refuse then moan that there are consequences. I am too scared to have it because of allergies and previous reactions and the doctor refers me to google and won’t give any advice. I wouldn’t want to be bribed to take it and risk my life. Sorry I’m not good with words I think it's really bad that your doctor wont advise you further. When I was concerned about my disabled daughter having her vaccine. My doctor gave me 2 telephone consultations and gave me some things to go and read x" . He honestly won’t talk about it. I have to take whatever consequences there are in the future | |||
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"Other countries are bribing people with rewards to have it. I hope we don’t start to do that too Why not? Why would anyone need to be bribed? It’s morally wrong to try to press gang people with bribes No is and morally wrong at all. We use Insensitives to encourage people to do things all the time. People would not need incentives if they trusted the vaccine was safe. It would seem like a desperate move to bribe people to take something they are unsure of. That is my opinion and I am not here for an argument OK I'm not sure why you are being defensive because I'm not having an argumen am asking questions and responding to your posts! It is not bribing people it is using incentives and I just find it would take years that people want to take all the benefits but none of the risks. If you dont want to take the vaccine that is your choice but it is also my choice to have had the vaccine and to be annoyed that people that refuse then moan that there are consequences. I am too scared to have it because of allergies and previous reactions and the doctor refers me to google and won’t give any advice. I wouldn’t want to be bribed to take it and risk my life. Sorry I’m not good with words " Is there another GP at your surgery you can discuss it with ? | |||
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"Other countries are bribing people with rewards to have it. I hope we don’t start to do that too Why not? Why would anyone need to be bribed? It’s morally wrong to try to press gang people with bribes No is and morally wrong at all. We use Insensitives to encourage people to do things all the time. People would not need incentives if they trusted the vaccine was safe. It would seem like a desperate move to bribe people to take something they are unsure of. That is my opinion and I am not here for an argument OK I'm not sure why you are being defensive because I'm not having an argumen am asking questions and responding to your posts! It is not bribing people it is using incentives and I just find it would take years that people want to take all the benefits but none of the risks. If you dont want to take the vaccine that is your choice but it is also my choice to have had the vaccine and to be annoyed that people that refuse then moan that there are consequences. I am too scared to have it because of allergies and previous reactions and the doctor refers me to google and won’t give any advice. I wouldn’t want to be bribed to take it and risk my life. Sorry I’m not good with words I think it's really bad that your doctor wont advise you further. When I was concerned about my disabled daughter having her vaccine. My doctor gave me 2 telephone consultations and gave me some things to go and read x" I agree with this. | |||
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"Other countries are bribing people with rewards to have it. I hope we don’t start to do that too Why not? Why would anyone need to be bribed? It’s morally wrong to try to press gang people with bribes No is and morally wrong at all. We use Insensitives to encourage people to do things all the time. People would not need incentives if they trusted the vaccine was safe. It would seem like a desperate move to bribe people to take something they are unsure of. That is my opinion and I am not here for an argument OK I'm not sure why you are being defensive because I'm not having an argumen am asking questions and responding to your posts! It is not bribing people it is using incentives and I just find it would take years that people want to take all the benefits but none of the risks. If you dont want to take the vaccine that is your choice but it is also my choice to have had the vaccine and to be annoyed that people that refuse then moan that there are consequences. I am too scared to have it because of allergies and previous reactions and the doctor refers me to google and won’t give any advice. I wouldn’t want to be bribed to take it and risk my life. Sorry I’m not good with words Is there another GP at your surgery you can discuss it with ? " There is only one more there so I am not sure | |||
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"Other countries are bribing people with rewards to have it. I hope we don’t start to do that too Why not? Why would anyone need to be bribed? It’s morally wrong to try to press gang people with bribes No is and morally wrong at all. We use Insensitives to encourage people to do things all the time. People would not need incentives if they trusted the vaccine was safe. It would seem like a desperate move to bribe people to take something they are unsure of. That is my opinion and I am not here for an argument OK I'm not sure why you are being defensive because I'm not having an argumen am asking questions and responding to your posts! It is not bribing people it is using incentives and I just find it would take years that people want to take all the benefits but none of the risks. If you dont want to take the vaccine that is your choice but it is also my choice to have had the vaccine and to be annoyed that people that refuse then moan that there are consequences. I am too scared to have it because of allergies and previous reactions and the doctor refers me to google and won’t give any advice. I wouldn’t want to be bribed to take it and risk my life. Sorry I’m not good with words Is there another GP at your surgery you can discuss it with ? There is only one more there so I am not sure " I would ask or if you ring 119 they are very happy to give advice and information. It might be that in your case they advise you dont have it or maybe advise which of the 3 are more suitable for you. | |||
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"Other countries are bribing people with rewards to have it. I hope we don’t start to do that too Why not? Why would anyone need to be bribed? It’s morally wrong to try to press gang people with bribes No is and morally wrong at all. We use Insensitives to encourage people to do things all the time. People would not need incentives if they trusted the vaccine was safe. It would seem like a desperate move to bribe people to take something they are unsure of. That is my opinion and I am not here for an argument OK I'm not sure why you are being defensive because I'm not having an argumen am asking questions and responding to your posts! It is not bribing people it is using incentives and I just find it would take years that people want to take all the benefits but none of the risks. If you dont want to take the vaccine that is your choice but it is also my choice to have had the vaccine and to be annoyed that people that refuse then moan that there are consequences. I am too scared to have it because of allergies and previous reactions and the doctor refers me to google and won’t give any advice. I wouldn’t want to be bribed to take it and risk my life. Sorry I’m not good with words Is there another GP at your surgery you can discuss it with ? There is only one more there so I am not sure I would ask or if you ring 119 they are very happy to give advice and information. It might be that in your case they advise you dont have it or maybe advise which of the 3 are more suitable for you. " I will give it a try tomorrow | |||
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"Other countries are bribing people with rewards to have it. I hope we don’t start to do that too Why not? Why would anyone need to be bribed? It’s morally wrong to try to press gang people with bribes No is and morally wrong at all. We use Insensitives to encourage people to do things all the time. People would not need incentives if they trusted the vaccine was safe. It would seem like a desperate move to bribe people to take something they are unsure of. That is my opinion and I am not here for an argument OK I'm not sure why you are being defensive because I'm not having an argumen am asking questions and responding to your posts! It is not bribing people it is using incentives and I just find it would take years that people want to take all the benefits but none of the risks. If you dont want to take the vaccine that is your choice but it is also my choice to have had the vaccine and to be annoyed that people that refuse then moan that there are consequences. I am too scared to have it because of allergies and previous reactions and the doctor refers me to google and won’t give any advice. I wouldn’t want to be bribed to take it and risk my life. Sorry I’m not good with words Is there another GP at your surgery you can discuss it with ? There is only one more there so I am not sure I would ask or if you ring 119 they are very happy to give advice and information. It might be that in your case they advise you dont have it or maybe advise which of the 3 are more suitable for you. I will give it a try tomorrow " At least then you can possibly make more of an informed decision. I think it is ridiculous that your doctor wont advise on this but there will be somebody that can. | |||
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"Other countries are bribing people with rewards to have it. I hope we don’t start to do that too Why not? Why would anyone need to be bribed? It’s morally wrong to try to press gang people with bribes No is and morally wrong at all. We use Insensitives to encourage people to do things all the time. People would not need incentives if they trusted the vaccine was safe. It would seem like a desperate move to bribe people to take something they are unsure of. That is my opinion and I am not here for an argument OK I'm not sure why you are being defensive because I'm not having an argumen am asking questions and responding to your posts! It is not bribing people it is using incentives and I just find it would take years that people want to take all the benefits but none of the risks. If you dont want to take the vaccine that is your choice but it is also my choice to have had the vaccine and to be annoyed that people that refuse then moan that there are consequences. I am too scared to have it because of allergies and previous reactions and the doctor refers me to google and won’t give any advice. I wouldn’t want to be bribed to take it and risk my life. Sorry I’m not good with words Is there another GP at your surgery you can discuss it with ? There is only one more there so I am not sure " I would see if you could have a chat with them instead. Just pointing you to google is not helpful. I hope you get a solution or some answers to your queries. | |||
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"I'm double Pfizered, last jab 5 weeks ago. Currently ill with Covid so not having to isolate doesn't make sense to me Exactly, where all new infections coming from...from vaccinated people Are they? Or are they coming from unvaccinated people and spreading to people that have been vaccinated!!! Another uneducated covidian...New variants either came from abroad i.e India, Brazil or as a reslt of lockdown i.e. Kent Variant....NOT I REPEAT NOT YOUR NEIGHBOUR OR THE LADY DOWN THE ROAD
So all new variants come from abroad except the Kent variant which was caused by lock down!
Also it could well come from my neighbour or the lady down the road if she's been abroad or to Kent don't you think?"This is why i said uneducated because you clearly are uneducated on epidemiology.....vaccinated people can catch and pass covid just as a unvaccinated person. So yes it is correct to say that new variants are from abroad or as a result of vaccines/lockdowns.....coronoaviruses have been mutating for years t didnt just pop up at Sars cov2...remember Sars cov1? no vaccine was made then....but illlet you live in bissful ignorance that they managed to find a vaccine that somehow will evade all future mutations looooool  | |||
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"Thing I find very difficult to understand we are in a global pandemic and people are more concerned about going on holiday each country has the virus and most likely a different breed of the virus so say for example vaccinated or not you end up bring something back oh it's ok it's part of duty free this alone shows how thick a majority of the population is no different from those who were stock piling at beginning of pandemic if people decide to go should remain there until it's totally gone around the globe or just through them in prison" compleatly gone lol this is never going to be completly gone | |||
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"One of my friends on here didn't want to get the vaccine but he's changed his mind now x Was it the endless freebies on offer or the guilt trip from friends/family? or maybe fear porn on the TV?" | |||
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"The person I know who has not and will not be taking the vaccination is happy to take the consequences I think that is more acceptable. I would like to know if there will be special guidance for those who are exempt on medical grounds. There is a big difference between cant and won't. Unfortunately,I dont think that is going to happen. I actually went over the top with precautions when this first started in the first wave,as I was caring for someone vulnerable,masks, gloves,isolation the lot, but still managed to get C19, I have always had good physical health so although my immune system fought against the waves of attack for three weeks and won, it found my vulnerable spot as I had struggled with depression all my life,but c19 actually left me feeling better than I ever have. So, no, Im never going to have the jab, because I now have natural immunity,and am less likely to pass it on than those jabbed. Yes, im suffering the co-ersion and stigma, in fact a few weeks ago I was even threatened to be struck off my gps list if I didnt comply,but even if I have to wear a yellow star,the jabbed have to understand not everyone is a conspiracy theorist and some have genuine medical reasons for not joining in with the experiment." | |||
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"After the news today that only those under 18 or double vaccinated by more than 2 weeks after 9th August will not have to self isolate if in close contact with a person who has tested positive for covid. Are you know more likely to want to accept the vaccine or happy to take the consequences?No way too risky have heard about blood clots thought like was anti vax but friend of mine went blind after it blood clot behind eye do Nooooooo But then it's all so way to risky to catch covid without any protection. To flip what you said I know loads of people have had both vaccinations And had no problems, I also know several people who have had covid and are still unwell months on. " yes and this has happened for the last 100 odd yrs, for anyone who had the Flu, thousands of people suffered very long term side effects every year if, unhealthy, unfit, had underlying issues etc, etc, it has just been rebranded "long covid" this isn't a new thing! we all used to know...back in the "olden day's like 1½yr ago" heaps of folk that had serious flu, we kept back from them obviously! and more than often if unfit, older etc you heard that they're not keeping great now! sound familiar?? rebranded. and I personally can say my very good friend is 80% blind after the 2xjag age 57 zero eyesight problem beforeand happened within 1 mth. they are all EXPERIMENTAL until 2023 and Non Animal tested and non FDA approved, they are released on Emergency reasons??? eh? I'll wait.. | |||
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