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"BBC interview Cummings says Boris Johnson resisted lockdowns as ‘only over 80’s were dying’ Will he be giving evidence is there is ever a covid enquiry for the 150,000 that have covid on their death certificates. " Nothing will come of it. | |||
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"BBC interview Cummings says Boris Johnson resisted lockdowns as ‘only over 80’s were dying’ Will he be giving evidence is there is ever a covid enquiry for the 150,000 that have covid on their death certificates. " He said that weeks ago | |||
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"BBC interview Cummings says Boris Johnson resisted lockdowns as ‘only over 80’s were dying’ Will he be giving evidence is there is ever a covid enquiry for the 150,000 that have covid on their death certificates. Missed that. But the interview went live on bbc 44 minutes ago. He said that weeks ago" | |||
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"BBC interview Cummings says Boris Johnson resisted lockdowns as ‘only over 80’s were dying’ Will he be giving evidence is there is ever a covid enquiry for the 150,000 that have covid on their death certificates. Missed that. But the interview went live on bbc 44 minutes ago. He said that weeks ago" It was mentioned before he gave that interview at parliament. People dont care. | |||
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"150000 with or of covid.. My local hospital in answer to a FOI request replied te following. Since march 2020 until April 2021 only 22 died of covid and had no other underlying illness. Ask you local hospital Trust the same question " And the reason anyone would be inflating covid numbers is....? Cue conspiracy theory bollocks! | |||
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"Cummings as boris advisor gives reasons for trip to Barnard castle = Cummings isn’t to be believed. Cummings accuses Boris = Cummings is to be believed." You realise there is actually proof that he did this? | |||
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"Cummings as boris advisor gives reasons for trip to Barnard castle = Cummings isn’t to be believed. Cummings accuses Boris = Cummings is to be believed. You realise there is actually proof that he did this?" No I haven’t seen this, can you point me in the direction. | |||
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"Cummings as boris advisor gives reasons for trip to Barnard castle = Cummings isn’t to be believed. Cummings accuses Boris = Cummings is to be believed. You realise there is actually proof that he did this? No I haven’t seen this, can you point me in the direction." https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57854811 | |||
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"Cummings as boris advisor gives reasons for trip to Barnard castle = Cummings isn’t to be believed. Cummings accuses Boris = Cummings is to be believed. You realise there is actually proof that he did this? No I haven’t seen this, can you point me in the direction. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57854811" Fair enough  | |||
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"BBC interview Cummings says Boris Johnson resisted lockdowns as ‘only over 80’s were dying’ Will he be giving evidence is there is ever a covid enquiry for the 150,000 that have covid on their death certificates. " Cummings who was BoJo's chief advisor at the time. Great guy. Let's believe everything he says because he's trustworthy and not bitter at all.  | |||
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"BBC interview Cummings says Boris Johnson resisted lockdowns as ‘only over 80’s were dying’ Will he be giving evidence is there is ever a covid enquiry for the 150,000 that have covid on their death certificates. Cummings who was BoJo's chief advisor at the time. Great guy. Let's believe everything he says because he's trustworthy and not bitter at all. "Again. In case you missed it. The bbc has seen proof he has said it. | |||
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"BBC interview Cummings says Boris Johnson resisted lockdowns as ‘only over 80’s were dying’ Will he be giving evidence is there is ever a covid enquiry for the 150,000 that have covid on their death certificates. Cummings who was BoJo's chief advisor at the time. Great guy. Let's believe everything he says because he's trustworthy and not bitter at all. "It's a quandary, one is a serial liar with more than one loss of a job for that and the other has admitted he lied over Barnard castle and is intent in putting the knife in.. Neither are trustworthy imo but there's no way the BBC already on the defensive with this government would report this without seeing the evidence.. It looks shitty, poor judgement and further adds to what many believe being Boris did not take it seriously enough initially, then failed to learn the lessons of the first lockdown and has dithered and taken too long to act.. | |||
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"The BBC sees proof that the pm was prepared to let a virus RIP through the over 80s and the default setting is too defend him. Words fail me." Where are people defending him on this thread? E | |||
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"The BBC sees proof that the pm was prepared to let a virus RIP through the over 80s and the default setting is too defend him. Words fail me. Where are people defending him on this thread? E" The 2 who are saying that the story is false. | |||
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"The BBC sees proof that the pm was prepared to let a virus RIP through the over 80s and the default setting is too defend him. Words fail me." Clever use of rip/R.I.P. Lionel | |||
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"The BBC sees proof that the pm was prepared to let a virus RIP through the over 80s and the default setting is too defend him. Words fail me. Where are people defending him on this thread? E" I think it's by implication - Cummings is untrustworthy therefore... | |||
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"The BBC sees proof that the pm was prepared to let a virus RIP through the over 80s and the default setting is too defend him. Words fail me. Where are people defending him on this thread? E The 2 who are saying that the story is false." I can't see where anyone's said it's false, I'll have another read through.
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"BBC interview Cummings says Boris Johnson resisted lockdowns as ‘only over 80’s were dying’ Will he be giving evidence is there is ever a covid enquiry for the 150,000 that have covid on their death certificates. Cummings who was BoJo's chief advisor at the time. Great guy. Let's believe everything he says because he's trustworthy and not bitter at all.
It's a quandary, one is a serial liar with more than one loss of a job for that and the other has admitted he lied over Barnard castle and is intent in putting the knife in..
Neither are trustworthy imo but there's no way the BBC already on the defensive with this government would report this without seeing the evidence..
It looks shitty, poor judgement and further adds to what many believe being Boris did not take it seriously enough initially, then failed to learn the lessons of the first lockdown and has dithered and taken too long to act.."This. ^ E | |||
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"The BBC sees proof that the pm was prepared to let a virus RIP through the over 80s and the default setting is too defend him. Words fail me. Where are people defending him on this thread? E The 2 who are saying that the story is false. I can't see where anyone's said it's false, I'll have another read through.
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"The BBC sees proof that the pm was prepared to let a virus RIP through the over 80s and the default setting is too defend him. Words fail me. Where are people defending him on this thread? E I think it's by implication - Cummings is untrustworthy therefore..." Ahhh, I see how this works now. Thanks.
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"BBC interview Cummings says Boris Johnson resisted lockdowns as ‘only over 80’s were dying’ Will he be giving evidence is there is ever a covid enquiry for the 150,000 that have covid on their death certificates. Cummings who was BoJo's chief advisor at the time. Great guy. Let's believe everything he says because he's trustworthy and not bitter at all.
Again.
In case you missed it.
The bbc has seen proof he has said it."So? Presumably Cummings said it too, as his advisor. BoJo doesn't 'run the country' on his own....... | |||
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"The BBC sees proof that the pm was prepared to let a virus RIP through the over 80s and the default setting is too defend him. Words fail me. Where are people defending him on this thread? E The 2 who are saying that the story is false. I can't see where anyone's said it's false, I'll have another read through.
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2 people have said he cant be trusted.
I think the implication is pretty clear."For gods sake Lionel don’t do jury service. Not unless the defendant is a left wing union member. | |||
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"BBC interview Cummings says Boris Johnson resisted lockdowns as ‘only over 80’s were dying’ Will he be giving evidence is there is ever a covid enquiry for the 150,000 that have covid on their death certificates. Cummings who was BoJo's chief advisor at the time. Great guy. Let's believe everything he says because he's trustworthy and not bitter at all.
Again.
In case you missed it.
The bbc has seen proof he has said it.
So?
Presumably Cummings said it too, as his advisor.
BoJo doesn't 'run the country' on his own......."
Outstanding
A pm is on record saying he is happy to let over 80s die and it's still not his responsibility
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"The BBC sees proof that the pm was prepared to let a virus RIP through the over 80s and the default setting is too defend him. Words fail me. Where are people defending him on this thread? E The 2 who are saying that the story is false. I can't see where anyone's said it's false, I'll have another read through.
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2 people have said he cant be trusted.
I think the implication is pretty clear."Gotcha..... It was implied. When you stated "The 2 who are saying that the story is false" I thought someone had actually said "it's false". That's what I was looking for, my bad, sorry. E | |||
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"The BBC sees proof that the pm was prepared to let a virus RIP through the over 80s and the default setting is too defend him. Words fail me. Where are people defending him on this thread? E I think it's by implication - Cummings is untrustworthy therefore... Ahhh, I see how this works now. Thanks.
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"The BBC sees proof that the pm was prepared to let a virus RIP through the over 80s and the default setting is too defend him. Words fail me. Where are people defending him on this thread? E The 2 who are saying that the story is false. I can't see where anyone's said it's false, I'll have another read through.
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2 people have said he cant be trusted.
I think the implication is pretty clear.
For gods sake Lionel don’t do jury service. Not unless the defendant is a left wing union member."You just cost me a cup of tea. It's all over my keyboard now.
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"The BBC sees proof that the pm was prepared to let a virus RIP through the over 80s and the default setting is too defend him. Words fail me. Where are people defending him on this thread? E I think it's by implication - Cummings is untrustworthy therefore... Ahhh, I see how this works now. Thanks.
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Yes when someone alleges something and they are called a liar,it generally means they are not believed
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"You cannot possibly believe a word that comes out of his mouth. Anything he does or doesn’t know will be manipulated and twisted to suit. Ultimately, if what he is saying is all true then he’s as bad for not doing anything about it. " | |||
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"#notacult" Did you spell that correctly? 
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"#notacult Did you spell that correctly?
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"#notacult Did you spell that correctly?
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"Babs, we don't use that word to we.
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"Cummings as boris advisor gives reasons for trip to Barnard castle = Cummings isn’t to be believed. Cummings accuses Boris = Cummings is to be believed." Cummings as boris advisor gives reasons for trip to Barnard castle = Cummings isn’t to be believed but defended by Tory MP's at the time Cummings accuses Boris = Cummings is to be believed unless you are a Tory MP who now say he is a liar Swings and roundabouts | |||
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"Well here is one over 80 year old who the Virus has not ripped through...............yet "Good for you I'm sure the families of the ones who have will be chuffed | |||
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"So regardless of the infighting on these threads and regardless of whether Johnson or Cummings is the bigger cunt... We have a PM who was prepared to allow citizens of the UK to be collateral damage because they are/were old! In what fucking world is that ok?" It's ok He made it up apparently Despite having the messages on his phone. | |||
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"BBC interview Cummings says Boris Johnson resisted lockdowns as ‘only over 80’s were dying’ Will he be giving evidence is there is ever a covid enquiry for the 150,000 that have covid on their death certificates. Cummings who was BoJo's chief advisor at the time. Great guy. Let's believe everything he says because he's trustworthy and not bitter at all. "Whether what he is saying is true or not I think he sounds like a bitter dumped ex. The way he speaks about it is sometimes childlike too, but he said this missss | |||
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"So regardless of the infighting on these threads and regardless of whether Johnson or Cummings is the bigger cunt... We have a PM who was prepared to allow citizens of the UK to be collateral damage because they are/were old! In what fucking world is that ok?" I think it's a question, do we believe him. I don't trust either of them, never have. Cummings is a liar but might be telling the truth. Extrinsic evidence suggests that what he's saying is in keeping with how the government has behaved. | |||
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"So regardless of the infighting on these threads and regardless of whether Johnson or Cummings is the bigger cunt... We have a PM who was prepared to allow citizens of the UK to be collateral damage because they are/were old! In what fucking world is that ok? I think it's a question, do we believe him. I don't trust either of them, never have. Cummings is a liar but might be telling the truth. Extrinsic evidence suggests that what he's saying is in keeping with how the government has behaved." If its true, it's an unbelievably callous thing to say. So the perfect topic to turn it into a joke. | |||
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"So regardless of the infighting on these threads and regardless of whether Johnson or Cummings is the bigger cunt... We have a PM who was prepared to allow citizens of the UK to be collateral damage because they are/were old! In what fucking world is that ok?" Amazing really | |||
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"So regardless of the infighting on these threads and regardless of whether Johnson or Cummings is the bigger cunt... We have a PM who was prepared to allow citizens of the UK to be collateral damage because they are/were old! In what fucking world is that ok? I think it's a question, do we believe him. I don't trust either of them, never have. Cummings is a liar but might be telling the truth. Extrinsic evidence suggests that what he's saying is in keeping with how the government has behaved." Much as a fool Boris is, I really can't see anyone saying, fuck it let 'em die". Anecdotal evidence on past performance suggests it may be. But please don't let it be so. Surely no one, no matter how much of an arse could be that cold. The thought that someone could have makes we weep. 
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"So regardless of the infighting on these threads and regardless of whether Johnson or Cummings is the bigger cunt... We have a PM who was prepared to allow citizens of the UK to be collateral damage because they are/were old! In what fucking world is that ok? I think it's a question, do we believe him. I don't trust either of them, never have. Cummings is a liar but might be telling the truth. Extrinsic evidence suggests that what he's saying is in keeping with how the government has behaved. Much as a fool Boris is, I really can't see anyone saying, fuck it let 'em die". Anecdotal evidence on past performance suggests it may be. But please don't let it be so. Surely no one, no matter how much of an arse could be that cold. The thought that someone could have makes we weep.
E"I'm really not sure how many times I can say this..before it sinks in...it is on record. Read the link. | |||
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"So regardless of the infighting on these threads and regardless of whether Johnson or Cummings is the bigger cunt... We have a PM who was prepared to allow citizens of the UK to be collateral damage because they are/were old! In what fucking world is that ok? I think it's a question, do we believe him. I don't trust either of them, never have. Cummings is a liar but might be telling the truth. Extrinsic evidence suggests that what he's saying is in keeping with how the government has behaved. Much as a fool Boris is, I really can't see anyone saying, fuck it let 'em die". Anecdotal evidence on past performance suggests it may be. But please don't let it be so. Surely no one, no matter how much of an arse could be that cold. The thought that someone could have makes we weep.
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I'm really not sure how many times I can say this..before it sinks in...it is on record.
Read the link."No. No I won't. I can't bare the thought that someone actually coldy made that decision. It's too heart breaking to consider. I know how much you despise the Torys, so you'll doubtless revel in it. Me, I have more compassion for humanity than political point scoring on this one. Sorry Lionel, I can't come out to play at this party. E | |||
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"Well here is one over 80 year old who the Virus has not ripped through...............yet
Good for you
I'm sure the families of the ones who have will be chuffed
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"So regardless of the infighting on these threads and regardless of whether Johnson or Cummings is the bigger cunt... We have a PM who was prepared to allow citizens of the UK to be collateral damage because they are/were old! In what fucking world is that ok? I think it's a question, do we believe him. I don't trust either of them, never have. Cummings is a liar but might be telling the truth. Extrinsic evidence suggests that what he's saying is in keeping with how the government has behaved. Much as a fool Boris is, I really can't see anyone saying, fuck it let 'em die". Anecdotal evidence on past performance suggests it may be. But please don't let it be so. Surely no one, no matter how much of an arse could be that cold. The thought that someone could have makes we weep.
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I'm really not sure how many times I can say this..before it sinks in...it is on record.
Read the link.
No. No I won't. I can't bare the thought that someone actually coldy made that decision.
It's too heart breaking to consider.
I know how much you despise the Torys, so you'll doubtless revel in it.
Me, I have more compassion for humanity than political point scoring on this one.
Sorry Lionel, I can't come out to play at this party.
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"Well here is one over 80 year old who the Virus has not ripped through...............yet
Good for you
I'm sure the families of the ones who have will be chuffed
Two of my Sisters in Law have died from Covid and I am certainly not chuffed.
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" No. No I won't. I can't bare the thought that someone actually coldy made that decision. It's too heart breaking to consider. I know how much you despise the Torys, so you'll doubtless revel in it. Me, I have more compassion for humanity than political point scoring on this one. Sorry Lionel, I can't come out to play at this party. E" Surely it isn't political to say that someone is a cold fish if they don't care about the people they are meant to be trying to protect in a pandemic Maybe people would just think this is horrendous and not revel in peoples potential deaths, whatever colour they voted for. | |||
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"Well here is one over 80 year old who the Virus has not ripped through...............yet
Good for you
I'm sure the families of the ones who have will be chuffed
Two of my Sisters in Law have died from Covid and I am certainly not chuffed.
Then I'd suggest you re read your post.
The smiley emoji was a bit if a give away."I think he may have just saying he was over 80 and still alive, nothing malicious | |||
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"#notacult Did you spell that correctly?
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Babs, we don't use that word to we.
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"So regardless of the infighting on these threads and regardless of whether Johnson or Cummings is the bigger cunt... We have a PM who was prepared to allow citizens of the UK to be collateral damage because they are/were old! In what fucking world is that ok? I think it's a question, do we believe him. I don't trust either of them, never have. Cummings is a liar but might be telling the truth. Extrinsic evidence suggests that what he's saying is in keeping with how the government has behaved. Much as a fool Boris is, I really can't see anyone saying, fuck it let 'em die". Anecdotal evidence on past performance suggests it may be. But please don't let it be so. Surely no one, no matter how much of an arse could be that cold. The thought that someone could have makes we weep.
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I'm really not sure how many times I can say this..before it sinks in...it is on record.
Read the link.
No. No I won't. I can't bare the thought that someone actually coldy made that decision.
It's too heart breaking to consider.
I know how much you despise the Torys, so you'll doubtless revel in it.
Me, I have more compassion for humanity than political point scoring on this one.
Sorry Lionel, I can't come out to play at this party.
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"Well here is one over 80 year old who the Virus has not ripped through...............yet
Good for you
I'm sure the families of the ones who have will be chuffed
Two of my Sisters in Law have died from Covid and I am certainly not chuffed.
Then I'd suggest you re read your post.
The smiley emoji was a bit if a give away.
I think he may have just saying he was over 80 and still alive, nothing malicious"It didnt really come across that way tbh. | |||
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"Cummings as boris advisor gives reasons for trip to Barnard castle = Cummings isn’t to be believed. Cummings accuses Boris = Cummings is to be believed." He presented the written evidence directly from Johnson. The UK decided to do its best to be world leaders again. We were atrocious last year, because he can't take decisions, thus subjecting the country to much longer restrictions and costs to the economy and everyone's well-being, not to mention the tens of thousands of avoidable deaths, his indecision caused. We are currently no 3 in the world, for infections and the growth is phenomenal. But some people get a 'freedom' day and are happy.  | |||
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"Boris can say we did this etc but it's on a text from his phone, it's atrocious that it was even thought by any politician of whatever hue.. Let alone a PM in the midst of a pandemic.. " Fully ties in with his bodies piled high in the streets comments. | |||
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"For the ones who say the BBC has proof that Boris said a particular thing, I'd ask, why haven't we seen the proof? I'd also like to point out this exert from the article and highlight the words 'allegedly' and 'reportedly'. Surely if they have the evidence you guys say then those words needn't be used. "In a WhatsApp message sent on 15 October, shared with the BBC, Mr Johnson appears to have described himself as "slightly rocked by some of the data on Covid fatalities". The "median age" for those dying was between 81 and 82 for men and 85 for women, the prime minister allegedly wrote, adding: "That is above life expectancy. So get Covid and Live longer. "Hardly anyone under 60 goes into hospital... and of those virtually all survive. And I no longer buy all this NHS overwhelmed stuff. Folks I think we may need to recalibrate... There are max 3m in this country aged over 80." He reportedly went on to write: "It shows we don't go for nationwide lockdown." Isn't it funny how people read things."
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"For the ones who say the BBC has proof that Boris said a particular thing, I'd ask, why haven't we seen the proof? I'd also like to point out this exert from the article and highlight the words 'allegedly' and 'reportedly'. Surely if they have the evidence you guys say then those words needn't be used. "In a WhatsApp message sent on 15 October, shared with the BBC, Mr Johnson appears to have described himself as "slightly rocked by some of the data on Covid fatalities". The "median age" for those dying was between 81 and 82 for men and 85 for women, the prime minister allegedly wrote, adding: "That is above life expectancy. So get Covid and Live longer. "Hardly anyone under 60 goes into hospital... and of those virtually all survive. And I no longer buy all this NHS overwhelmed stuff. Folks I think we may need to recalibrate... There are max 3m in this country aged over 80." He reportedly went on to write: "It shows we don't go for nationwide lockdown." Isn't it funny how people read things.
Superb "It's absolutely not superb Lionel. Why haven't we seen the proof? And why do they use the words allegedly and reportedly? If we can see the proof I'm more than happy to condemn him. Until then, this is still just a bitter ex-employee | |||
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"For the ones who say the BBC has proof that Boris said a particular thing, I'd ask, why haven't we seen the proof? I'd also like to point out this exert from the article and highlight the words 'allegedly' and 'reportedly'. Surely if they have the evidence you guys say then those words needn't be used. "In a WhatsApp message sent on 15 October, shared with the BBC, Mr Johnson appears to have described himself as "slightly rocked by some of the data on Covid fatalities". The "median age" for those dying was between 81 and 82 for men and 85 for women, the prime minister allegedly wrote, adding: "That is above life expectancy. So get Covid and Live longer. "Hardly anyone under 60 goes into hospital... and of those virtually all survive. And I no longer buy all this NHS overwhelmed stuff. Folks I think we may need to recalibrate... There are max 3m in this country aged over 80." He reportedly went on to write: "It shows we don't go for nationwide lockdown." Isn't it funny how people read things.
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It's absolutely not superb Lionel. Why haven't we seen the proof? And why do they use the words allegedly and reportedly?
If we can see the proof I'm more than happy to condemn him. Until then, this is still just a bitter ex-employee"Good point. I wont believe it till I see the actual phone myself. | |||
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"For the ones who say the BBC has proof that Boris said a particular thing, I'd ask, why haven't we seen the proof? I'd also like to point out this exert from the article and highlight the words 'allegedly' and 'reportedly'. Surely if they have the evidence you guys say then those words needn't be used. "In a WhatsApp message sent on 15 October, shared with the BBC, Mr Johnson appears to have described himself as "slightly rocked by some of the data on Covid fatalities". The "median age" for those dying was between 81 and 82 for men and 85 for women, the prime minister allegedly wrote, adding: "That is above life expectancy. So get Covid and Live longer. "Hardly anyone under 60 goes into hospital... and of those virtually all survive. And I no longer buy all this NHS overwhelmed stuff. Folks I think we may need to recalibrate... There are max 3m in this country aged over 80." He reportedly went on to write: "It shows we don't go for nationwide lockdown." Isn't it funny how people read things.
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It's absolutely not superb Lionel. Why haven't we seen the proof? And why do they use the words allegedly and reportedly?
If we can see the proof I'm more than happy to condemn him. Until then, this is still just a bitter ex-employee
Good point.
I wont believe it till I see the actual phone myself."We don't need to see the phone though, do we? We need to see screenshots. Are you telling me Laura Kuensberg didn't take copies of the evidence? | |||
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"For the ones who say the BBC has proof that Boris said a particular thing, I'd ask, why haven't we seen the proof? I'd also like to point out this exert from the article and highlight the words 'allegedly' and 'reportedly'. Surely if they have the evidence you guys say then those words needn't be used. "In a WhatsApp message sent on 15 October, shared with the BBC, Mr Johnson appears to have described himself as "slightly rocked by some of the data on Covid fatalities". The "median age" for those dying was between 81 and 82 for men and 85 for women, the prime minister allegedly wrote, adding: "That is above life expectancy. So get Covid and Live longer. "Hardly anyone under 60 goes into hospital... and of those virtually all survive. And I no longer buy all this NHS overwhelmed stuff. Folks I think we may need to recalibrate... There are max 3m in this country aged over 80." He reportedly went on to write: "It shows we don't go for nationwide lockdown." Isn't it funny how people read things.
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It's absolutely not superb Lionel. Why haven't we seen the proof? And why do they use the words allegedly and reportedly?
If we can see the proof I'm more than happy to condemn him. Until then, this is still just a bitter ex-employee
Good point.
I wont believe it till I see the actual phone myself.
We don't need to see the phone though, do we?
We need to see screenshots. Are you telling me Laura Kuensberg didn't take copies of the evidence?"So to clarify A national broadcaster who very rarely criticises the gmnt,have verified they have seen Said messages but you refuse to believe them till you have seen them yourself? | |||
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"For the ones who say the BBC has proof that Boris said a particular thing, I'd ask, why haven't we seen the proof? I'd also like to point out this exert from the article and highlight the words 'allegedly' and 'reportedly'. Surely if they have the evidence you guys say then those words needn't be used. "In a WhatsApp message sent on 15 October, shared with the BBC, Mr Johnson appears to have described himself as "slightly rocked by some of the data on Covid fatalities". The "median age" for those dying was between 81 and 82 for men and 85 for women, the prime minister allegedly wrote, adding: "That is above life expectancy. So get Covid and Live longer. "Hardly anyone under 60 goes into hospital... and of those virtually all survive. And I no longer buy all this NHS overwhelmed stuff. Folks I think we may need to recalibrate... There are max 3m in this country aged over 80." He reportedly went on to write: "It shows we don't go for nationwide lockdown." Isn't it funny how people read things.
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It's absolutely not superb Lionel. Why haven't we seen the proof? And why do they use the words allegedly and reportedly?
If we can see the proof I'm more than happy to condemn him. Until then, this is still just a bitter ex-employee
Good point.
I wont believe it till I see the actual phone myself.
We don't need to see the phone though, do we?
We need to see screenshots. Are you telling me Laura Kuensberg didn't take copies of the evidence?
So to clarify
A national broadcaster who very rarely criticises the gmnt,have verified they have seen Said messages but you refuse to believe them till you have seen them yourself?"OK, let's say she has seen them. Why does she use the words 'allegedly' and 'reportedly' directly before those specific quotes? But confirms 'shared with the BBC' before the first quote? | |||
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"It is funny how people read things. Lionel read what I wrote and decided I was one of two people who believed boris. He then goes full on #notacult. Of course I never actually wrote I believed Boris I just pointed out how Cummings credibility can suddenly shift when it suits someone’s political leanings. I didn’t trust or rate Cummings when he was on the pro brexit team, I didn’t trust or rate him when he was government advisor during the early days of this pandemic and I certainly don’t trust someone who alters his blog to try to claim they predicted an outcome during the pandemic. Do I trust and believe Boris, why would I, he has a history of lying. Am I part of the Boris cult, hardly I’ve been a member or supporter of the Labour Party since I was 16." The fact that you instantly dismissed what he said,despite the link saying other wise,was a bit of a give away tbh. | |||
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"It is funny how people read things. Lionel read what I wrote and decided I was one of two people who believed boris. He then goes full on #notacult. Of course I never actually wrote I believed Boris I just pointed out how Cummings credibility can suddenly shift when it suits someone’s political leanings. I didn’t trust or rate Cummings when he was on the pro brexit team, I didn’t trust or rate him when he was government advisor during the early days of this pandemic and I certainly don’t trust someone who alters his blog to try to claim they predicted an outcome during the pandemic. Do I trust and believe Boris, why would I, he has a history of lying. Am I part of the Boris cult, hardly I’ve been a member or supporter of the Labour Party since I was 16." Don't worry, I'll be the third one to join your cult. Even though, I haven't said I believe Boris either | |||
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"Well here is one over 80 year old who the Virus has not ripped through...............yet "Good on you mate. You have the energy and positivity that puts others to shame. Sorry to hear about your Sisters in law. | |||
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"For the ones who say the BBC has proof that Boris said a particular thing, I'd ask, why haven't we seen the proof? I'd also like to point out this exert from the article and highlight the words 'allegedly' and 'reportedly'. Surely if they have the evidence you guys say then those words needn't be used. "In a WhatsApp message sent on 15 October, shared with the BBC, Mr Johnson appears to have described himself as "slightly rocked by some of the data on Covid fatalities". The "median age" for those dying was between 81 and 82 for men and 85 for women, the prime minister allegedly wrote, adding: "That is above life expectancy. So get Covid and Live longer. "Hardly anyone under 60 goes into hospital... and of those virtually all survive. And I no longer buy all this NHS overwhelmed stuff. Folks I think we may need to recalibrate... There are max 3m in this country aged over 80." He reportedly went on to write: "It shows we don't go for nationwide lockdown." Isn't it funny how people read things.
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It's absolutely not superb Lionel. Why haven't we seen the proof? And why do they use the words allegedly and reportedly?
If we can see the proof I'm more than happy to condemn him. Until then, this is still just a bitter ex-employee
Good point.
I wont believe it till I see the actual phone myself.
We don't need to see the phone though, do we?
We need to see screenshots. Are you telling me Laura Kuensberg didn't take copies of the evidence?
So to clarify
A national broadcaster who very rarely criticises the gmnt,have verified they have seen Said messages but you refuse to believe them till you have seen them yourself?
OK, let's say she has seen them.
Why does she use the words 'allegedly' and 'reportedly' directly before those specific quotes?
But confirms 'shared with the BBC' before the first quote?
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"It is funny how people read things. Lionel read what I wrote and decided I was one of two people who believed boris. He then goes full on #notacult. Of course I never actually wrote I believed Boris I just pointed out how Cummings credibility can suddenly shift when it suits someone’s political leanings. I didn’t trust or rate Cummings when he was on the pro brexit team, I didn’t trust or rate him when he was government advisor during the early days of this pandemic and I certainly don’t trust someone who alters his blog to try to claim they predicted an outcome during the pandemic. Do I trust and believe Boris, why would I, he has a history of lying. Am I part of the Boris cult, hardly I’ve been a member or supporter of the Labour Party since I was 16. The fact that you instantly dismissed what he said,despite the link saying other wise,was a bit of a give away tbh." You gave me the link after my post. Go on Lionel it’s ok I’ll accept your apology I’m gracious that way. | |||
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"It is funny how people read things. Lionel read what I wrote and decided I was one of two people who believed boris. He then goes full on #notacult. Of course I never actually wrote I believed Boris I just pointed out how Cummings credibility can suddenly shift when it suits someone’s political leanings. I didn’t trust or rate Cummings when he was on the pro brexit team, I didn’t trust or rate him when he was government advisor during the early days of this pandemic and I certainly don’t trust someone who alters his blog to try to claim they predicted an outcome during the pandemic. Do I trust and believe Boris, why would I, he has a history of lying. Am I part of the Boris cult, hardly I’ve been a member or supporter of the Labour Party since I was 16. Don't worry, I'll be the third one to join your cult. Even though, I haven't said I believe Boris either "
So someone makes a claim.. he is instantly called a liar..but this doesnt shed any doubt shed on his allegations.
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"For the ones who say the BBC has proof that Boris said a particular thing, I'd ask, why haven't we seen the proof? I'd also like to point out this exert from the article and highlight the words 'allegedly' and 'reportedly'. Surely if they have the evidence you guys say then those words needn't be used. "In a WhatsApp message sent on 15 October, shared with the BBC, Mr Johnson appears to have described himself as "slightly rocked by some of the data on Covid fatalities". The "median age" for those dying was between 81 and 82 for men and 85 for women, the prime minister allegedly wrote, adding: "That is above life expectancy. So get Covid and Live longer. "Hardly anyone under 60 goes into hospital... and of those virtually all survive. And I no longer buy all this NHS overwhelmed stuff. Folks I think we may need to recalibrate... There are max 3m in this country aged over 80." He reportedly went on to write: "It shows we don't go for nationwide lockdown." Isn't it funny how people read things.
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It's absolutely not superb Lionel. Why haven't we seen the proof? And why do they use the words allegedly and reportedly?
If we can see the proof I'm more than happy to condemn him. Until then, this is still just a bitter ex-employee
Good point.
I wont believe it till I see the actual phone myself.
We don't need to see the phone though, do we?
We need to see screenshots. Are you telling me Laura Kuensberg didn't take copies of the evidence?
So to clarify
A national broadcaster who very rarely criticises the gmnt,have verified they have seen Said messages but you refuse to believe them till you have seen them yourself?
OK, let's say she has seen them.
Why does she use the words 'allegedly' and 'reportedly' directly before those specific quotes?
But confirms 'shared with the BBC' before the first quote?
I think I'll leave it there..I really camt be arsed arguing with you that the earth is indeed flat.
But you keep it up.
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"It is funny how people read things. Lionel read what I wrote and decided I was one of two people who believed boris. He then goes full on #notacult. Of course I never actually wrote I believed Boris I just pointed out how Cummings credibility can suddenly shift when it suits someone’s political leanings. I didn’t trust or rate Cummings when he was on the pro brexit team, I didn’t trust or rate him when he was government advisor during the early days of this pandemic and I certainly don’t trust someone who alters his blog to try to claim they predicted an outcome during the pandemic. Do I trust and believe Boris, why would I, he has a history of lying. Am I part of the Boris cult, hardly I’ve been a member or supporter of the Labour Party since I was 16. The fact that you instantly dismissed what he said,despite the link saying other wise,was a bit of a give away tbh. You gave me the link after my post. Go on Lionel it’s ok I’ll accept your apology I’m gracious that way." Fair enough I apologise
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"For the ones who say the BBC has proof that Boris said a particular thing, I'd ask, why haven't we seen the proof? I'd also like to point out this exert from the article and highlight the words 'allegedly' and 'reportedly'. Surely if they have the evidence you guys say then those words needn't be used. "In a WhatsApp message sent on 15 October, shared with the BBC, Mr Johnson appears to have described himself as "slightly rocked by some of the data on Covid fatalities". The "median age" for those dying was between 81 and 82 for men and 85 for women, the prime minister allegedly wrote, adding: "That is above life expectancy. So get Covid and Live longer. "Hardly anyone under 60 goes into hospital... and of those virtually all survive. And I no longer buy all this NHS overwhelmed stuff. Folks I think we may need to recalibrate... There are max 3m in this country aged over 80." He reportedly went on to write: "It shows we don't go for nationwide lockdown." Isn't it funny how people read things.
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It's absolutely not superb Lionel. Why haven't we seen the proof? And why do they use the words allegedly and reportedly?
If we can see the proof I'm more than happy to condemn him. Until then, this is still just a bitter ex-employee
Good point.
I wont believe it till I see the actual phone myself.
We don't need to see the phone though, do we?
We need to see screenshots. Are you telling me Laura Kuensberg didn't take copies of the evidence?
So to clarify
A national broadcaster who very rarely criticises the gmnt,have verified they have seen Said messages but you refuse to believe them till you have seen them yourself?
OK, let's say she has seen them.
Why does she use the words 'allegedly' and 'reportedly' directly before those specific quotes?
But confirms 'shared with the BBC' before the first quote?
I think I'll leave it there..I really camt be arsed arguing with you that the earth is indeed flat.
But you keep it up.
You mean you'll leave it there because you have no plausible answer for me queries "No I can't be arsed arguing with someone who has been told the bbc has proof,but still wont believe it. | |||
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"For the ones who say the BBC has proof that Boris said a particular thing, I'd ask, why haven't we seen the proof? I'd also like to point out this exert from the article and highlight the words 'allegedly' and 'reportedly'. Surely if they have the evidence you guys say then those words needn't be used. "In a WhatsApp message sent on 15 October, shared with the BBC, Mr Johnson appears to have described himself as "slightly rocked by some of the data on Covid fatalities". The "median age" for those dying was between 81 and 82 for men and 85 for women, the prime minister allegedly wrote, adding: "That is above life expectancy. So get Covid and Live longer. "Hardly anyone under 60 goes into hospital... and of those virtually all survive. And I no longer buy all this NHS overwhelmed stuff. Folks I think we may need to recalibrate... There are max 3m in this country aged over 80." He reportedly went on to write: "It shows we don't go for nationwide lockdown." Isn't it funny how people read things.
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It's absolutely not superb Lionel. Why haven't we seen the proof? And why do they use the words allegedly and reportedly?
If we can see the proof I'm more than happy to condemn him. Until then, this is still just a bitter ex-employee
Good point.
I wont believe it till I see the actual phone myself.
We don't need to see the phone though, do we?
We need to see screenshots. Are you telling me Laura Kuensberg didn't take copies of the evidence?
So to clarify
A national broadcaster who very rarely criticises the gmnt,have verified they have seen Said messages but you refuse to believe them till you have seen them yourself?
OK, let's say she has seen them.
Why does she use the words 'allegedly' and 'reportedly' directly before those specific quotes?
But confirms 'shared with the BBC' before the first quote?
I think I'll leave it there..I really camt be arsed arguing with you that the earth is indeed flat.
But you keep it up.
You mean you'll leave it there because you have no plausible answer for me queries
No I can't be arsed arguing with someone who has been told the bbc has proof,but still wont believe it.
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"150000 with or of covid.. My local hospital in answer to a FOI request replied te following. Since march 2020 until April 2021 only 22 died of covid and had no other underlying illness. Ask you local hospital Trust the same question " See.. I hate when people say stuff like this because it’s is grossly misleading.. Because covid isn’t a one factor illness.. it fucks up your body so parts of your body kick in.. your heart, your lungs, your liver, your kidneys ect ect It’s a bit like saying people don’t die from HIV… but people die from the flu or even colds because the virus weakened their bodies enough! | |||
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"BBC interview Cummings says Boris Johnson resisted lockdowns as ‘only over 80’s were dying’ Will he be giving evidence is there is ever a covid enquiry for the 150,000 that have covid on their death certificates. " Cummings has launched a subscription based blog. All these so-called leaks by him are an attempt to drive traffic to his blog and generate cash. He comes across as a scorned lover. | |||
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"150000 with or of covid.. My local hospital in answer to a FOI request replied te following. Since march 2020 until April 2021 only 22 died of covid and had no other underlying illness. Ask you local hospital Trust the same question See.. I hate when people say stuff like this because it’s is grossly misleading.. Because covid isn’t a one factor illness.. it fucks up your body so parts of your body kick in.. your heart, your lungs, your liver, your kidneys ect ect It’s a bit like saying people don’t die from HIV… but people die from the flu or even colds because the virus weakened their bodies enough!" Spot on. | |||
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"150000 with or of covid.. My local hospital in answer to a FOI request replied te following. Since march 2020 until April 2021 only 22 died of covid and had no other underlying illness. Ask you local hospital Trust the same question See.. I hate when people say stuff like this because it’s is grossly misleading.. Because covid isn’t a one factor illness.. it fucks up your body so parts of your body kick in.. your heart, your lungs, your liver, your kidneys ect ect It’s a bit like saying people don’t die from HIV… but people die from the flu or even colds because the virus weakened their bodies enough!" Agreed here Fabio, Flu & Colds weaken the body enough for this to occur. In all likelihood, if there was no flu or cold present anyone who dies at that time wouldn't have, same as Covid. | |||
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"150000 with or of covid.. My local hospital in answer to a FOI request replied te following. Since march 2020 until April 2021 only 22 died of covid and had no other underlying illness. Ask you local hospital Trust the same question " This | |||
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"150000 with or of covid.. My local hospital in answer to a FOI request replied te following. Since march 2020 until April 2021 only 22 died of covid and had no other underlying illness. Ask you local hospital Trust the same question See.. I hate when people say stuff like this because it’s is grossly misleading.. Because covid isn’t a one factor illness.. it fucks up your body so parts of your body kick in.. your heart, your lungs, your liver, your kidneys ect ect It’s a bit like saying people don’t die from HIV… but people die from the flu or even colds because the virus weakened their bodies enough!" It's not a distinction we make with any other illness. I wonder why  | |||
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"The BBC sees proof that the pm was prepared to let a virus RIP through the over 80s and the default setting is too defend him. Words fail me. Where are people defending him on this thread? E The 2 who are saying that the story is false. I can't see where anyone's said it's false, I'll have another read through.
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2 people have said he cant be trusted.
I think the implication is pretty clear.
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"Context needed: Boris had previously pointed out that coronavirus was disproportionately hitting those in old age and with pre-existing conditions. He had suggested 'shielding' them so that the rest of us could get on with our lives. So it wasn't the callous suggestion some politically motivated people are trying to claim" How does focused protection work in practice? How does it differ from house arrest, other than that it's allegedly voluntary? Stay at home or risk a prolonged tortuous death? When the disease is ripping through, how effective is this protection for those who need carers, grocery deliveries, or would like some human contact rather than making said house arrest solitary confinement? | |||
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"Context needed: Boris had previously pointed out that coronavirus was disproportionately hitting those in old age and with pre-existing conditions. He had suggested 'shielding' them so that the rest of us could get on with our lives. So it wasn't the callous suggestion some politically motivated people are trying to claim" If you read those words and dont think they are callous, I'd check your moral compass if I were you | |||
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"And I no longer buy this overwhelmed nhs stuff Gone under the radar somewhat " He allegedly said that according to Laura. See the definition for allegedly | |||
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"I'm sure conversation like this goes on with all government's how to best tackle problems." Do they? | |||
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"Context needed: Boris had previously pointed out that coronavirus was disproportionately hitting those in old age and with pre-existing conditions. He had suggested 'shielding' them so that the rest of us could get on with our lives. So it wasn't the callous suggestion some politically motivated people are trying to claim How does focused protection work in practice? How does it differ from house arrest, other than that it's allegedly voluntary? Stay at home or risk a prolonged tortuous death? When the disease is ripping through, how effective is this protection for those who need carers, grocery deliveries, or would like some human contact rather than making said house arrest solitary confinement?" The same as everyone else in lockdown. We all had to do it | |||
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"BBC interview Cummings says Boris Johnson resisted lockdowns as ‘only over 80’s were dying’ Will he be giving evidence is there is ever a covid enquiry for the 150,000 that have covid on their death certificates. Cummings who was BoJo's chief advisor at the time. Great guy. Let's believe everything he says because he's trustworthy and not bitter at all.
It's a quandary, one is a serial liar with more than one loss of a job for that and the other has admitted he lied over Barnard castle and is intent in putting the knife in..
Neither are trustworthy imo but there's no way the BBC already on the defensive with this government would report this without seeing the evidence..
It looks shitty, poor judgement and further adds to what many believe being Boris did not take it seriously enough initially, then failed to learn the lessons of the first lockdown and has dithered and taken too long to act..
This. ^
E"I'm not sure anyone's going to try and defend Boris or cummings as his advisors' handling of this and I'm certainly not. But What I do find irritating is the faux outrage of some at the alleged reluctance to lock down when others have been banging that drum for exactly the same reason since the start of this. I'm sure it's not the first time anyone's seen the statement it's only killing over 80s so let's protect them and crack on. | |||
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"Context needed: Boris had previously pointed out that coronavirus was disproportionately hitting those in old age and with pre-existing conditions. He had suggested 'shielding' them so that the rest of us could get on with our lives. So it wasn't the callous suggestion some politically motivated people are trying to claim If you read those words and dont think they are callous, I'd check your moral compass if I were you "You need to read his previous comments instead of just trying to make bogus political points out of it. It doesn't look good. I have provided the context of what he said. You're trying to pretend myopia so you can make cheap points | |||
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"Context needed: Boris had previously pointed out that coronavirus was disproportionately hitting those in old age and with pre-existing conditions. He had suggested 'shielding' them so that the rest of us could get on with our lives. So it wasn't the callous suggestion some politically motivated people are trying to claim If you read those words and dont think they are callous, I'd check your moral compass if I were you
You need to read his previous comments instead of just trying to make bogus political points out of it. It doesn't look good.
I have provided the context of what he said. You're trying to pretend myopia so you can make cheap points"Nah I just have an ounce of empathy. | |||
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"Context needed: Boris had previously pointed out that coronavirus was disproportionately hitting those in old age and with pre-existing conditions. He had suggested 'shielding' them so that the rest of us could get on with our lives. So it wasn't the callous suggestion some politically motivated people are trying to claim If you read those words and dont think they are callous, I'd check your moral compass if I were you
You need to read his previous comments instead of just trying to make bogus political points out of it. It doesn't look good.
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"Context needed: Boris had previously pointed out that coronavirus was disproportionately hitting those in old age and with pre-existing conditions. He had suggested 'shielding' them so that the rest of us could get on with our lives. So it wasn't the callous suggestion some politically motivated people are trying to claim If you read those words and dont think they are callous, I'd check your moral compass if I were you
You need to read his previous comments instead of just trying to make bogus political points out of it. It doesn't look good.
I have provided the context of what he said. You're trying to pretend myopia so you can make cheap points
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I just have an ounce of empathy."A political obsession more like. You have, if course, supported lockdown...why should you pretend to be outraged when it is suggested for the vulnerable? | |||
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"Context needed: Boris had previously pointed out that coronavirus was disproportionately hitting those in old age and with pre-existing conditions. He had suggested 'shielding' them so that the rest of us could get on with our lives. So it wasn't the callous suggestion some politically motivated people are trying to claim If you read those words and dont think they are callous, I'd check your moral compass if I were you
You need to read his previous comments instead of just trying to make bogus political points out of it. It doesn't look good.
I have provided the context of what he said. You're trying to pretend myopia so you can make cheap points
Nah
I just have an ounce of empathy.
A political obsession more like. You have, if course, supported lockdown...why should you pretend to be outraged when it is suggested for the vulnerable?"I've supported lockdown so I fail to see your point. | |||
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"The BBC sees proof that the pm was prepared to let a virus RIP through the over 80s and the default setting is too defend him. Words fail me." But those words "the pm was prepared to let a virus RIP through the over 80s" are not the words he used it's dramatised by yourself to suit your hatred of Boris, it's pathetic really | |||
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"Context needed: Boris had previously pointed out that coronavirus was disproportionately hitting those in old age and with pre-existing conditions. He had suggested 'shielding' them so that the rest of us could get on with our lives. So it wasn't the callous suggestion some politically motivated people are trying to claim How does focused protection work in practice? How does it differ from house arrest, other than that it's allegedly voluntary? Stay at home or risk a prolonged tortuous death? When the disease is ripping through, how effective is this protection for those who need carers, grocery deliveries, or would like some human contact rather than making said house arrest solitary confinement? The same as everyone else in lockdown. We all had to do it" At what point was any lockdown in any part of the UK that strict? Or are you equating not standing at the bar in a pub with "if you want to buy your own bread or have a carer in to wipe your arse, you might die"? I'm sorry, but these things are not the same. | |||
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"Is a coincidence that everyone defending the clown cant help but make personal digs?" Sorry? Making personal digs? Look in the mirror. | |||
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"The BBC sees proof that the pm was prepared to let a virus RIP through the over 80s and the default setting is too defend him. Words fail me. But those words "the pm was prepared to let a virus RIP through the over 80s" are not the words he used it's dramatised by yourself to suit your hatred of Boris, it's pathetic really" Another one to add to the list But thanks for another invaluable contribution | |||
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"Is a coincidence that everyone defending the clown cant help but make personal digs? Sorry? Making personal digs? Look in the mirror. " When I have made a personal dig at one person on this thread? | |||
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"Is a coincidence that everyone defending the clown cant help but make personal digs? Sorry? Making personal digs? Look in the mirror. " Don't worry about it. I'm still waiting for him to answer me. We are probably all guilty at times of making the odd dig here and there. He is no exception. | |||
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"Is a coincidence that everyone defending the clown cant help but make personal digs? Sorry? Making personal digs? Look in the mirror. When I have made a personal dig at one person on this thread?" You called me what was it... a flat earther? | |||
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"Context needed: Boris had previously pointed out that coronavirus was disproportionately hitting those in old age and with pre-existing conditions. He had suggested 'shielding' them so that the rest of us could get on with our lives. So it wasn't the callous suggestion some politically motivated people are trying to claim How does focused protection work in practice? How does it differ from house arrest, other than that it's allegedly voluntary? Stay at home or risk a prolonged tortuous death? When the disease is ripping through, how effective is this protection for those who need carers, grocery deliveries, or would like some human contact rather than making said house arrest solitary confinement? The same as everyone else in lockdown. We all had to do it At what point was any lockdown in any part of the UK that strict? Or are you equating not standing at the bar in a pub with "if you want to buy your own bread or have a carer in to wipe your arse, you might die"? I'm sorry, but these things are not the same." No. We were allowed out for food and social care visits continued. But whereas all of us were locked down, the shielding of the vulnerable approach.. which Boris had spoken of... would have affected far fewer. Why is that outrageous? | |||
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"Is a coincidence that everyone defending the clown cant help but make personal digs? Sorry? Making personal digs? Look in the mirror. Don't worry about it. I'm still waiting for him to answer me. We are probably all guilty at times of making the odd dig here and there. He is no exception." I told you. I can't be arsed. The bbc have seen the evidence. You choose not to be believe it. Good for you. | |||
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"Is a coincidence that everyone defending the clown cant help but make personal digs? Sorry? Making personal digs? Look in the mirror. Don't worry about it. I'm still waiting for him to answer me. We are probably all guilty at times of making the odd dig here and there. He is no exception. I told you. I can't be arsed. The bbc have seen the evidence. You choose not to be believe it. Good for you." So you didn't call me a flat earther? I'm still waiting for your explanation on the use of those words. Those words make me question what evidence Laura has seen. | |||
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"Is a coincidence that everyone defending the clown cant help but make personal digs? Sorry? Making personal digs? Look in the mirror. When I have made a personal dig at one person on this thread?" You slyly suggested that people disagreeing with your political points didn't have any empathy | |||
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"Ooh look another personal comment" I must have told you a hundred times try reading the whole thing instead of getting snippets that suit your agenda but bear no resemblance to the whole story. It seems im not the only one to notice this and of course its personal as its you that keeps doing it. Maybe if you took it on board it wouldnt be needed to keep pointing it out. | |||
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"Is a coincidence that everyone defending the clown cant help but make personal digs? Sorry? Making personal digs? Look in the mirror. When I have made a personal dig at one person on this thread? You called me what was it... a flat earther?" No I didn't. How many times are you going to make these false claims and get embarrassed? I said i cant be arsed arguing the world is indeed flat which obviously means you have seen the evidence and refused to believe it. | |||
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"Is a coincidence that everyone defending the clown cant help but make personal digs? Sorry? Making personal digs? Look in the mirror. When I have made a personal dig at one person on this thread? You slyly suggested that people disagreeing with your political points didn't have any empathy" Yep that was right after you accused me of scoring political points. Do keep up old chap. | |||
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"Is a coincidence that everyone defending the clown cant help but make personal digs? Sorry? Making personal digs? Look in the mirror. When I have made a personal dig at one person on this thread? You called me what was it... a flat earther? No I didn't. How many times are you going to make these false claims and get embarrassed? I said i cant be arsed arguing the world is indeed flat which obviously means you have seen the evidence and refused to believe it." Why would you say anything about the world being flat? I'm arguing that I haven't seen the evidence and neither has anyone else, not quite what you suggest. Why would Laura use words like allegedly and reportedly if she had actually seen the evidence? | |||
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"Cummings as boris advisor gives reasons for trip to Barnard castle = Cummings isn’t to be believed. Cummings accuses Boris = Cummings is to be believed." 100% the hilarious public response. It doesn’t matter the journey, people will always find a path to hate on whatever current Prime Minister we have, Tory or Labour. Cummings is a bitter punk. Lol. | |||
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"Context needed: Boris had previously pointed out that coronavirus was disproportionately hitting those in old age and with pre-existing conditions. He had suggested 'shielding' them so that the rest of us could get on with our lives. So it wasn't the callous suggestion some politically motivated people are trying to claim How does focused protection work in practice? How does it differ from house arrest, other than that it's allegedly voluntary? Stay at home or risk a prolonged tortuous death? When the disease is ripping through, how effective is this protection for those who need carers, grocery deliveries, or would like some human contact rather than making said house arrest solitary confinement? The same as everyone else in lockdown. We all had to do it At what point was any lockdown in any part of the UK that strict? Or are you equating not standing at the bar in a pub with "if you want to buy your own bread or have a carer in to wipe your arse, you might die"? I'm sorry, but these things are not the same. No. We were allowed out for food and social care visits continued. But whereas all of us were locked down, the shielding of the vulnerable approach.. which Boris had spoken of... would have affected far fewer. Why is that outrageous?" Because it's indefinite detention for vulnerable people rather than reasonable measures by all of us. Reasonable measures which protect all of us, rather than leaving the vast majority of us exposed and still likely breaking through to the vulnerable (as they need access to groceries and carers). Are you saying that putting the vulnerable into solitary confinement for the rest of their lives is acceptable so that we don't have to take measures to protect all of us? That long term effects and deaths in those not deemed vulnerable are acceptable, including the disability bill for possibly decades to come? I think such a policy would be both cruel and stupid, personally. | |||
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"Context needed: Boris had previously pointed out that coronavirus was disproportionately hitting those in old age and with pre-existing conditions. He had suggested 'shielding' them so that the rest of us could get on with our lives. So it wasn't the callous suggestion some politically motivated people are trying to claim How does focused protection work in practice? How does it differ from house arrest, other than that it's allegedly voluntary? Stay at home or risk a prolonged tortuous death? When the disease is ripping through, how effective is this protection for those who need carers, grocery deliveries, or would like some human contact rather than making said house arrest solitary confinement? The same as everyone else in lockdown. We all had to do it At what point was any lockdown in any part of the UK that strict? Or are you equating not standing at the bar in a pub with "if you want to buy your own bread or have a carer in to wipe your arse, you might die"? I'm sorry, but these things are not the same. No. We were allowed out for food and social care visits continued. But whereas all of us were locked down, the shielding of the vulnerable approach.. which Boris had spoken of... would have affected far fewer. Why is that outrageous? Because it's indefinite detention for vulnerable people rather than reasonable measures by all of us. Reasonable measures which protect all of us, rather than leaving the vast majority of us exposed and still likely breaking through to the vulnerable (as they need access to groceries and carers). Are you saying that putting the vulnerable into solitary confinement for the rest of their lives is acceptable so that we don't have to take measures to protect all of us? That long term effects and deaths in those not deemed vulnerable are acceptable, including the disability bill for possibly decades to come? I think such a policy would be both cruel and stupid, personally." No. It would have been precisely the same lockdown that we all had | |||
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"The fact is one of the two is definitely lying.The news would be to find out which one is for definite lying and report the facts.Wouldn't that be a refreshing change
Both liars both with agendas. But because Cummings may bring down Boris he is the prince that was promised all of a sudden. "Pretty much | |||
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"Cummings was their advisor. Top dog around the table. If he knew these things then he is culpable. He was happy to go with the flow when he was employed. " His colossal ego doesn’t think of how history will judge him. | |||
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"Cummings was their advisor. Top dog around the table. If he knew these things then he is culpable. He was happy to go with the flow when he was employed. His colossal ego doesn’t think of how history will judge him. " And some people appear to be choosing to overlook his role in it all so they can criticise Boris. They are both cut from the same cloth. | |||
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"Cummings was their advisor. Top dog around the table. If he knew these things then he is culpable. He was happy to go with the flow when he was employed. His colossal ego doesn’t think of how history will judge him. And some people appear to be choosing to overlook his role in it all so they can criticise Boris. They are both cut from the same cloth. " If both told me it was raining I would go and look out the window for myself. | |||
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"The BBC sees proof that the pm was prepared to let a virus RIP through the over 80s and the default setting is too defend him. Words fail me." has the bbc shown this proof? Wen he was asked by kunsberg if he had evidence he said people were txted it,but didnt show any himself,when he shows some evidence mabey peeps will belive him,you your self said he was full of shit not so long ago,did boris say that probably has the public seen evidence of this? If the beeb hqve seen evidence like you say you would of thought they would of dined out on it for weeks | |||
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"For the ones who say the BBC has proof that Boris said a particular thing, I'd ask, why haven't we seen the proof? I'd also like to point out this exert from the article and highlight the words 'allegedly' and 'reportedly'. Surely if they have the evidence you guys say then those words needn't be used. "In a WhatsApp message sent on 15 October, shared with the BBC, Mr Johnson appears to have described himself as "slightly rocked by some of the data on Covid fatalities". The "median age" for those dying was between 81 and 82 for men and 85 for women, the prime minister allegedly wrote, adding: "That is above life expectancy. So get Covid and Live longer. "Hardly anyone under 60 goes into hospital... and of those virtually all survive. And I no longer buy all this NHS overwhelmed stuff. Folks I think we may need to recalibrate... There are max 3m in this country aged over 80." He reportedly went on to write: "It shows we don't go for nationwide lockdown." Isn't it funny how people read things." Well said | |||
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"Cummings was their advisor. Top dog around the table. If he knew these things then he is culpable. He was happy to go with the flow when he was employed. " Totally agree. He did say this himself when interviewed but it sounded very hollow knowing he had no integrity to speak up when it was happening, however, I think all this should come out if it happened, but I am not sure this is the way to do it. Disclaimer , I am not into politics, not interested in getting into it, didn't vote on the last two elections as I didn't know who I wanted to vote for , I just think the handling of most of the pandemic has been abysmal and if there were big mistakes made and they kept repeating them then they should be culpable with a REAL independent enquiry. For this bit if verified, some people don't see others as important | |||
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"Cummings was their advisor. Top dog around the table. If he knew these things then he is culpable. He was happy to go with the flow when he was employed. His colossal ego doesn’t think of how history will judge him. And some people appear to be choosing to overlook his role in it all so they can criticise Boris. They are both cut from the same cloth. If both told me it was raining I would go and look out the window for myself. "
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"So regardless of the infighting on these threads and regardless of whether Johnson or Cummings is the bigger cunt... We have a PM who was prepared to allow citizens of the UK to be collateral damage because they are/were old! In what fucking world is that ok? I think it's a question, do we believe him. I don't trust either of them, never have. Cummings is a liar but might be telling the truth. Extrinsic evidence suggests that what he's saying is in keeping with how the government has behaved. Much as a fool Boris is, I really can't see anyone saying, fuck it let 'em die". Anecdotal evidence on past performance suggests it may be. But please don't let it be so. Surely no one, no matter how much of an arse could be that cold. The thought that someone could have makes we weep.
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I'm really not sure how many times I can say this..before it sinks in...it is on record.
Read the link.
No. No I won't. I can't bare the thought that someone actually coldy made that decision.
It's too heart breaking to consider.
I know how much you despise the Torys, so you'll doubtless revel in it.
Me, I have more compassion for humanity than political point scoring on this one.
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I'm sure that will help."Given the amount of times you've called DC a liar on these very forums, it's quite funny to see you saying he categorically said something and you're taking it as gospel. In reality, you have no more idea what was actually said by either of them than I do. Neither of us was in the room, were we not. As far as sticking my head in the sand goes, I think I made it crystal clear why I have no stomach for reading the article. As for the "I'm sure that'll help" comment, petty, unnecessary and sarcastic. E | |||
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"You cannot possibly believe a word that comes out of his mouth. Anything he does or doesn’t know will be manipulated and twisted to suit. Ultimately, if what he is saying is all true then he’s as bad for not doing anything about it. "If Cummings was so concerned about the fate of society under BoJo and Co 12-15 months ago, why did he not blow the whistle then? Why did he not come forward with these messages and other evidence that the PM and others were going awry? Why wait till he's been sacked and looking (to the casual observer) like someone trying to get revenge. Because that's what it LOOKS like. He might well be telling the truth, but he's as bad for sitting on the information months to a year ago! | |||
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"Cummings is such a tell tale. He could not be trusted with details of a surprise birthday party .I would be surprised if he had any friends after this. " Cummings is I'm is a shit. But I believe everything he says about that idiot Boris | |||
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"Why would Laura use words like allegedly and reportedly if she had actually seen the evidence?" I am 99.9% certain that the BBC lawyers would have insisted on qualifications to avoid potential for future defamation law suits should/if the whatsapp messages turn out to either not be true or have been manipulated in some way. I doubt the BBC are in possession of the phone. I doubt the BBC have been able to back trace the source device sending the messages from Boris Johnson. Laura K will have been shown Cummings’ phone and it will look legit. The fact that Cummings has the confidence to make these claims means he must feel he is legally on safe ground. However, the BBC lawyers will require caution. Doesn’t change my earlier post - both of these sorry excuses for human beings are cunts but as BJ has the edge. | |||
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"Why would Laura use words like allegedly and reportedly if she had actually seen the evidence? I am 99.9% certain that the BBC lawyers would have insisted on qualifications to avoid potential for future defamation law suits should/if the whatsapp messages turn out to either not be true or have been manipulated in some way. I doubt the BBC are in possession of the phone. I doubt the BBC have been able to back trace the source device sending the messages from Boris Johnson. Laura K will have been shown Cummings’ phone and it will look legit. The fact that Cummings has the confidence to make these claims means he must feel he is legally on safe ground. However, the BBC lawyers will require caution. Doesn’t change my earlier post - both of these sorry excuses for human beings are cunts but as BJ has the edge." You give a much better explanation than anyone else, thanks for that. I'm of the opinion that Laura or someone at the BBC has seen the first quote. The others may just have come out of Cummings' mouth. Hence the use of said words. It's the placement of these words which leave me questioning them. Boris may have said these things, or may have even put them in a WhatsApp message but I still don't feel it's right to say he absolutely did without seeing the evidence. That's what's been labelled at him here. The guy is a liar as we all know, but, that doesn't mean he is guilty of everything people say about him. Especially someone with an axe to grind. | |||
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"BBC interview Cummings says Boris Johnson resisted lockdowns as ‘only over 80’s were dying’ Will he be giving evidence is there is ever a covid enquiry for the 150,000 that have covid on their death certificates. " Cummings will say absolutely anything to save his weasely little skin as would they all if cornered. None of then have a ounce of integrity and are doing what they do to serve themselves first and foremost .. All would benefit from a good old fashioned public tarring and feathering event if I had my way and that includes Patel! | |||
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"BBC interview Cummings says Boris Johnson resisted lockdowns as ‘only over 80’s were dying’ Will he be giving evidence is there is ever a covid enquiry for the 150,000 that have covid on their death certificates. Missed that. But the interview went live on bbc 44 minutes ago. He said that weeks ago It was mentioned before he gave that interview at parliament. People dont care. " Bjust sour grapes as he lost his job. Don't believe everything you hear. Let's see the evidence before we act as judge and jury. | |||
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"Cummings as boris advisor gives reasons for trip to Barnard castle = Cummings isn’t to be believed. Cummings accuses Boris = Cummings is to be believed. You realise there is actually proof that he did this? No I haven’t seen this, can you point me in the direction. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57854811 Fair enough "No its not fair enough. Again it's just an interview. Cummu gs can say what he likes to discredit Boris. Where is the evidence we have been asking? | |||
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"Cummings as boris advisor gives reasons for trip to Barnard castle = Cummings isn’t to be believed. Cummings accuses Boris = Cummings is to be believed. You realise there is actually proof that he did this? No I haven’t seen this, can you point me in the direction. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57854811 Fair enough
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"Cummings as boris advisor gives reasons for trip to Barnard castle = Cummings isn’t to be believed. Cummings accuses Boris = Cummings is to be believed. You realise there is actually proof that he did this? No I haven’t seen this, can you point me in the direction. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57854811 Fair enough
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"I'm out A thread about the pm making disgraceful comments turns into the usual types accusing me of scoring political points because there is a story about the clown acting disgracefully again This is what you get when you criticise their hero boys and girls. " You come across as banal, your political leanings are obvious and you struggle to engage in civilised conversation, changing tack to suit your agenda....sound familiar? Well, as your moniker suggests "questionable competence", I'll stick to reasoned debate rather than the political ramblings of a man in a towel...... I'm out! | |||
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"I'm out A thread about the pm making disgraceful comments turns into the usual types accusing me of scoring political points because there is a story about the clown acting disgracefully again This is what you get when you criticise their hero boys and girls. You come across as banal, your political leanings are obvious and you struggle to engage in civilised conversation, changing tack to suit your agenda....sound familiar? Well, as your moniker suggests "questionable competence", I'll stick to reasoned debate rather than the political ramblings of a man in a towel...... I'm out!" Once again .personal.attacts What is with you Tory fan boys? Oh and I'm devastated obvs | |||
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"I'm out A thread about the pm making disgraceful comments turns into the usual types accusing me of scoring political points because there is a story about the clown acting disgracefully again This is what you get when you criticise their hero boys and girls. You come across as banal, your political leanings are obvious and you struggle to engage in civilised conversation, changing tack to suit your agenda....sound familiar? Well, as your moniker suggests "questionable competence", I'll stick to reasoned debate rather than the political ramblings of a man in a towel...... I'm out! Once again .personal.attacts What is with you Tory fan boys? Oh and I'm devastated obvs " There we go, you prove my point.... unable to engage in debate, not a personal attack, a fact! You don't know my political leanings if in fact I have any at all......If that's all you can come back with then I do actually sympathise with your devastation... Ta Ra | |||
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"I'm out A thread about the pm making disgraceful comments turns into the usual types accusing me of scoring political points because there is a story about the clown acting disgracefully again This is what you get when you criticise their hero boys and girls. You come across as banal, your political leanings are obvious and you struggle to engage in civilised conversation, changing tack to suit your agenda....sound familiar? Well, as your moniker suggests "questionable competence", I'll stick to reasoned debate rather than the political ramblings of a man in a towel...... I'm out! Once again .personal.attacts What is with you Tory fan boys? Oh and I'm devastated obvs There we go, you prove my point.... unable to engage in debate, not a personal attack, a fact! You don't know my political leanings if in fact I have any at all......If that's all you can come back with then I do actually sympathise with your devastation... Ta Ra" Missing you already | |||
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"Slightly off topic. Does anyone believe that bojo had covid last year? Yes, I doubt the nurses who cared for him would have lied when they spoke about his treatment afterwards. Only one thing is certain. The nurses will have been required to sign the Official Secrets Act. There are very serious consequences from breaking the OSA." That's not wholly accurate. Nurses aren't required to sign the OSA, but they can be bound to it by the terms of their contract. The Act states that a person can be "notified" that he or she can be bound by it. The implications for a breach are the same regardless of a signature or a notification. E | |||
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"Slightly off topic. Does anyone believe that bojo had covid last year? Yes, I doubt the nurses who cared for him would have lied when they spoke about his treatment afterwards. Only one thing is certain. The nurses will have been required to sign the Official Secrets Act. There are very serious consequences from breaking the OSA. That's not wholly accurate. Nurses aren't required to sign the OSA, but they can be bound to it by the terms of their contract. The Act states that a person can be "notified" that he or she can be bound by it. The implications for a breach are the same regardless of a signature or a notification. E" The nurses in question were interviewed on national telly at the time and subsequently. They have both commented in the media about BoJo's time in hospital. I believe he did have Covid because to try and cover up that the PM was NOT in a large NHS hospital for a week or whatever would require immense numbers of people to lie and not divulge. | |||
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"I'm watching the interview. Only been a couple of minutes and wow. I never like Laura before but I've changed my mind. Her questioning and face reactions are brilliant. DC has issues."
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"BBC interview Cummings says Boris Johnson resisted lockdowns as ‘only over 80’s were dying’ Will he be giving evidence is there is ever a covid enquiry for the 150,000 that have covid on their death certificates. " You had me at BBC. The bastion of society. The Beeb, aunty etc | |||
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"150000 with or of covid.. My local hospital in answer to a FOI request replied te following. Since march 2020 until April 2021 only 22 died of covid and had no other underlying illness. Ask you local hospital Trust the same question " Here we go again. And the earth is flat. The one certainty in life is that we are all going to die. As far as I'm concerned I would like to avoid that outcome for as long as possible. And as far as I'm concerned Covid is real. For that reason, where possible I would prefer not to catch it in case it hastens my early demise. You believe what you want, but by you're own logic you'd better hope you never you never have any other medical condition that requires hospitalisation... | |||
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"150000 with or of covid.. My local hospital in answer to a FOI request replied te following. Since march 2020 until April 2021 only 22 died of covid and had no other underlying illness. Ask you local hospital Trust the same question " Think this just shows how unhealthy a nation we are Doesn’t change the amount of folk who have died in total | |||
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"I'm watching the interview. Only been a couple of minutes and wow. I never like Laura before but I've changed my mind. Her questioning and face reactions are brilliant. DC has issues."My reaction is the same as yours! He came across like it was (and is) all a game, giggling like a schoolboy when questioned about his stretching of truths in the same way the class clown would giggle when reminded the stink bomb he'd released had caused the Head of Modern Foreign Languages to be physically sick (yes, this happened in my school!) | |||
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"150000 with or of covid.. My local hospital in answer to a FOI request replied te following. Since march 2020 until April 2021 only 22 died of covid and had no other underlying illness. Ask you local hospital Trust the same question Think this just shows how unhealthy a nation we are Doesn’t change the amount of folk who have died in total " I read something along these lines where things like depression or historic broken bones counted. Unhealthy nation, or wildly dishonest numbers to make it look like the dead were dying anyway? | |||
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"Hm, I am extremely sceptical about anything that Dominic Cummings has to say which of course does not mean that I am not extremely sceptical about Boris Johnson's competence and motivations - it is not "either/or". A man who has caused controversy with his very questionable actions and left his job in dubious circumstances is now making various loud proclamations about how wrong the prime minister has been and admitting that he lied about the controversy of breaking lockdown etc. As Chief Advisor at the time the hipocricy and self-interest is glaringly obvious, it is also in extremely bad taste, to be frank. Grim." It's all grim | |||
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"150000 with or of covid.. My local hospital in answer to a FOI request replied te following. Since march 2020 until April 2021 only 22 died of covid and had no other underlying illness. Ask you local hospital Trust the same question " Wonder how their families are feeling. | |||
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