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"I've also noticed that the narrative appears to be changing. Initially we we told that the vaccines would reduce transmission. The Queen and prominent government ministers implied that chosing not to get vaccinated was selfish. " I think you'll find that none of the vaccine manufacturers made claims about reducing transmission when they were first approved in Dec 2020. | |||
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"I think you'll find that I made no reference to the vaccine manufacturers in my last post." I did find that. But perhaps you can provide some details of the claims you did make? the manufacturers were very clear on transmission and I can't recall any contradictory claims from government or ministers etc | |||
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"Here are two examples from prominent government figures. There are countless others. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/covid-vaccine-events-ban-gove-b1891582.html?amp https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/25/queen-says-her-covid-jab-didnt-hurt-at-all " Can you go back and read my response to your comment that "Initially we we told that the vaccines would reduce transmission"? Who told us that?! Certainly not AZ or Pfizer. Your links are about the claims regarding selfish people... | |||
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"They tried ever coercive trick in the book to convince as many people in the shortest possible time to take the experimental jab. Some people believed them. Some people did extensive research and didnt believe them." YouTube and Facebook research? | |||
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"They tried ever coercive trick in the book to convince as many people in the shortest possible time to take the experimental jab. Some people believed them. Some people did extensive research and didnt believe them. YouTube and Facebook research?" No by watching and listening to the actual people/companies who are forcing this on the entire world. And remember its a virus with a 99.97% survival rate. (Government figures not mine) | |||
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"They tried ever coercive trick in the book to convince as many people in the shortest possible time to take the experimental jab. Some people believed them. Some people did extensive research and didnt believe them. YouTube and Facebook research? No by watching and listening to the actual people/companies who are forcing this on the entire world. And remember its a virus with a 99.97% survival rate. (Government figures not mine)" The stat is 1% death rate (IFR) overall not 0.03%. Vaccination of 70% in the UK has decreased death rate and hospitalisation dramatically. | |||
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"Micheal Gove's reference to "selfish" people relates to people who were slightly more hesitant in allowing the state to inject chemical into their bodies. It was thought that the virus would spread quickest among the unvacinated. That clearly isn't the case. " It is clear that unvaccinated are at much greater risk of serious illness or death from Covid by a factor of 15. Not the best odds. | |||
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"They tried ever coercive trick in the book to convince as many people in the shortest possible time to take the experimental jab. Some people believed them. Some people did extensive research and didnt believe them. YouTube and Facebook research?" Please do enlighten us all about your obvious extensive medical qualifications since to have a very one sided opinion everytime somebody questions goverment guidelines on Covid? | |||
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"They tried ever coercive trick in the book to convince as many people in the shortest possible time to take the experimental jab. Some people believed them. Some people did extensive research and didnt believe them. YouTube and Facebook research? No by watching and listening to the actual people/companies who are forcing this on the entire world. And remember its a virus with a 99.97% survival rate. (Government figures not mine) The stat is 1% death rate (IFR) overall not 0.03%. Vaccination of 70% in the UK has decreased death rate and hospitalisation dramatically." Again fake news... why say this as it scares people? | |||
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"They tried ever coercive trick in the book to convince as many people in the shortest possible time to take the experimental jab. Some people believed them. Some people did extensive research and didnt believe them. YouTube and Facebook research? No by watching and listening to the actual people/companies who are forcing this on the entire world. And remember its a virus with a 99.97% survival rate. (Government figures not mine) The stat is 1% death rate (IFR) overall not 0.03%. Vaccination of 70% in the UK has decreased death rate and hospitalisation dramatically. Again fake news... why say this as it scares people?" Just so your aware over the last 18 months it’s 133k ‘attributed’ to Covid out of 70 million’ish so tell the truth. It isn’t 1% or even close and the 133k is from the ONS and WHO and easily verified ffs | |||
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"The narrative seems to be changing from vaccinating our way out of this to now claiming the jabs limit serious illness/death but ultimately natural immunity is more effective (and therefore desirable?!) Back to that herd immunity strategy I guess... As somebody that's had covid plus two jabs I am starting to wonder if I should now be actively looking to catch it in order to 'top up' my immunity!" It depends on who this 'narrative' is that you're referring to. The manufacturers submit efficacy and safety data to the MHRA, to gain approval. Their data relates to observations during the stage 3 trials period. Other than vaccines, we have restrictions as the 2 tools to reduce the impacts of the virus. Having minimal current restrictions in the UK, we largely have the vaccines to thank for the substantial reductions in hospitalisations and deaths. Immunity derived from infection doesn't appear as strongly reliable as that from the vaccines, which is much better known, due to the hundreds of thousands of people in the trials. The strategy is to vaccinate those with prior infections, which further develops their immunity. Whilst the easy to implement restrictions, such as masks, are optional, we do just have the vaccines now. The government have talked about living with the virus and its impact, though without qualification on what we as a country should expect from this, in terms of the expected death rates etc. Interesting, if alarming times  | |||
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"They tried ever coercive trick in the book to convince as many people in the shortest possible time to take the experimental jab. Some people believed them. Some people did extensive research and didnt believe them. YouTube and Facebook research? No by watching and listening to the actual people/companies who are forcing this on the entire world. And remember its a virus with a 99.97% survival rate. (Government figures not mine) The stat is 1% death rate (IFR) overall not 0.03%. Vaccination of 70% in the UK has decreased death rate and hospitalisation dramatically. Again fake news... why say this as it scares people? Just so your aware over the last 18 months it’s 133k ‘attributed’ to Covid out of 70 million’ish so tell the truth. It isn’t 1% or even close and the 133k is from the ONS and WHO and easily verified ffs" On 133k it's already at 0.19 not 0.03 so that 6 times greater than the poster claimed before vaccination as protection was available. The IFR is also verified as 1% but I understand that's not you original point. | |||
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"They tried ever coercive trick in the book to convince as many people in the shortest possible time to take the experimental jab. Some people believed them. Some people did extensive research and didnt believe them. YouTube and Facebook research? No by watching and listening to the actual people/companies who are forcing this on the entire world. And remember its a virus with a 99.97% survival rate. (Government figures not mine) The stat is 1% death rate (IFR) overall not 0.03%. Vaccination of 70% in the UK has decreased death rate and hospitalisation dramatically. Again fake news... why say this as it scares people? Just so your aware over the last 18 months it’s 133k ‘attributed’ to Covid out of 70 million’ish so tell the truth. It isn’t 1% or even close and the 133k is from the ONS and WHO and easily verified ffs On 133k it's already at 0.19 not 0.03 so that 6 times greater than the poster claimed before vaccination as protection was available. The IFR is also verified as 1% but I understand that's not you original point."  | |||
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"They tried ever coercive trick in the book to convince as many people in the shortest possible time to take the experimental jab. Some people believed them. Some people did extensive research and didnt believe them." Not some people. 93% of the population and the numbers speak for themselves and you are less likely to get seriously ill if you have the vaccine. | |||
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"We've addressed this in this post already. The narrative has shifted and now the emphasis is on "death" and "serrious ilness". Initially we were told by countless public figures that the vaccines would stop transmission. Evidence from Isreal shows that this clearly isn't the case. " The virus changes, mutations come and go, some persist, resulting in variants with multiple advantageous differences compared to former variants that they may displace from circulation. The vaccines are developed and have their trial results based on what the reality is at the time. The levels of infectivity, virus reproduction rates and the corresponding effects of the vaccines upon those and more characteristics of the virus are thus reported. We can model and forecast how things will change from then, based on what our evidence has demonstrated. Earlier variants were different to the Delta variant that's now increasingly dominant. Infection was reduced in earlier variants and seemingly less so with Delta. We can only ever report the factual data as it is. There won't be projections that will state that the future will not change, where typically it is based on unstable infectious agents, like viruses and bacteria. The initial government drive was to reduce hospitalisation and death levels, for the 2 tools that we have - restrictions and subsequent vaccines. Many months into the vaccination delivery, we're seeing hospitalisations and deaths to be substantially reduced, compared to what we would have had based on the current high infection levels, without vaccines. We still have very many people who haven't been fully vaccinated and these people help to sustain infection levels and hospitalisations being high. Sadly, too many of them will die. Loss of life isn't the only enduring damage though, its impact may linger for the rest of peoples' lives, with organ damage and failure. Long Covid is also disabling for thousands. | |||
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"Again, you've failed to answer the question. I'll rephrase it for you . What are your thoughts on the fact that the most heavily vaccinated country in the world is now the most heavily infected? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9951117/Israel-worlds-Covid-hotspot-0-2-population-catching-yesterday.html Also, you've attributed reductions in hospitalisations and deaths to the success of the vaccine roll out. Surely, we need a comparison between the number of people who died today from Covid and the number of people who died on this day last year before we can make that assumption? As I'm sure you're aware causation and correlation are very different." Yes daily cases increase due to Delta variant but serious case rate decreases so I think the assumption that the high vaccination rate in Israel is a positive development is valid. | |||
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"They tried ever coercive trick in the book to convince as many people in the shortest possible time to take the experimental jab. Some people believed them. Some people did extensive research and didnt believe them. YouTube and Facebook research? No by watching and listening to the actual people/companies who are forcing this on the entire world. And remember its a virus with a 99.97% survival rate. (Government figures not mine) The stat is 1% death rate (IFR) overall not 0.03%. Vaccination of 70% in the UK has decreased death rate and hospitalisation dramatically. Again fake news... why say this as it scares people? Just so your aware over the last 18 months it’s 133k ‘attributed’ to Covid out of 70 million’ish so tell the truth. It isn’t 1% or even close and the 133k is from the ONS and WHO and easily verified ffs" You do know that not everyone has had covid yet? Today's figures for the UK are 132,920 deaths from 6,862,904 cases, since collection of numbers started. Which comes out at 1.9% death rate. Population of the UK is about 70 million, which comes out that there could be something like 1 million 350 thousand deaths by the time that everybody has had covid once. Or would be in the absence of vaccination. People need scaring, because it is still a scary and dangerous situation. When people cover their ears, refuse to look, and sing "la la la, covid is over, everything back to normal" all it does is make the situation worse. The virus doesn't care if you put your head in the sand, it doesn't care if you sing your little "we've all got to live with covid" ditty. Covid will just carry on killing, and it's the ones who refuse to do jack shit about preventing the spread that are the most responsible for spreading it. Starting with the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom and working all the way down to everyone that chucked their masks away (or probably never wore one anyway). Masks are not 100%, but wearing one shows you're at least aware of the problem and trying to do a little bit. Social distancing is not 100%, but doing it shows you're at least aware of the problem and trying to do a little bit. Self isolation if you might have been exposed is not 100%, but staying away from work for a few days until cleared shows you're at least aware of the problem and trying to do a little bit. Vaccination is not 100%, but getting jabbed shows you're at least aware of the problem and trying to do a little bit. Some people do all the things, good on them. Some people can't do all the things, but try to do what they can, good on them. Some people don't do anything, and instead try to prevent other people doing anything - that's an active choice to aid the virus. So shame on them! | |||
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"Again, you've failed to answer the question. I'll rephrase it for you . What are your thoughts on the fact that the most heavily vaccinated country in the world is now the most heavily infected? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9951117/Israel-worlds-Covid-hotspot-0-2-population-catching-yesterday.html Also, you've attributed reductions in hospitalisations and deaths to the success of the vaccine roll out. Surely, we need a comparison between the number of people who died today from Covid and the number of people who died on this day last year before we can make that assumption? As I'm sure you're aware causation and correlation are very different." You can't just compare the data from "this day a year ago" and expect meaningful conclusions. If on the other hand you were to compare August with December, you would see roughly the same numbers of "New Cases", but the Daily Deaths averaged around 500 per day for December and for this August the average daily deaths was around 100... from similar quantities of cases. If you were to look back a bit further to April 2020 the daily death rate averaged around 900, but there were much fewer daily cases being reported, which makes the data less comparable. Cal | |||
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"We've addressed this in this post already. The narrative has shifted and now the emphasis is on "death" and "serrious ilness". Initially we were told by countless public figures that the vaccines would stop transmission. Evidence from Isreal shows that this clearly isn't the case. " You bring up death… so I am going to point out two things 1) stopping deaths was never a claim the manufacturers made…. Reduction of death numbers is a secondary byproduct. The primary purpose of the vaccine is to mitigate the severity of the illness you get if you do catch covid…. It’s designed to keep you out of hospital!!! 2) delta is already a mutated version of the original virus! It’s was not the version the vaccine was originally designed for! What the research basically is doing is playing catch-up to see if the original works as well… answer is it doesn’t but not to the point it’s useless! And whether the vaccine needs to be tweaked in the future or whether a top up of the original will work…. Until the next mutation comes along! | |||
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"They tried ever coercive trick in the book to convince as many people in the shortest possible time to take the experimental jab. Some people believed them. Some people did extensive research and didnt believe them. YouTube and Facebook research? No by watching and listening to the actual people/companies who are forcing this on the entire world. And remember its a virus with a 99.97% survival rate. (Government figures not mine)" That's a misinterpretation of figures. That figure is the percentage of people in the UK that have, so far, not died from covid. Calling people like me who haven't had covid a 'survivor' is just silly. As you have quoted one of the most common topics incorrect facts that has been ripped to shreds I am going to conclude you haven't got a clue about what you are talking about. | |||
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"I've also noticed that the narrative appears to be changing. Initially we we told that the vaccines would reduce transmission. The Queen and prominent government ministers implied that chosing not to get vaccinated was selfish. I think you'll find that none of the vaccine manufacturers made claims about reducing transmission when they were first approved in Dec 2020." That’s because they didn’t have the data available because those kinda studies aren’t ethical to do, so you have to gather the data from elsewhere, which takes longer We know it reduces the chance of transmission now | |||
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"Again, you've failed to answer the question. I'll rephrase it for you . What are your thoughts on the fact that the most heavily vaccinated country in the world is now the most heavily infected? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9951117/Israel-worlds-Covid-hotspot-0-2-population-catching-yesterday.html Also, you've attributed reductions in hospitalisations and deaths to the success of the vaccine roll out. Surely, we need a comparison between the number of people who died today from Covid and the number of people who died on this day last year before we can make that assumption? As I'm sure you're aware causation and correlation are very different." Rather than read the daily mail, go look at some of the actual figures. For example, in the 30-39 age group, per 100k of the population, 18.9 people are seriously ill in hospital. Of these, just 0.4 are vaccinated. double vaxed people in that age group account for 78% which further widens the gap. Vaccinations allowed Israel to "learn to live with the virus" which is what people here want to do. Add the delta variant into the equation and the fact that Israel has gone testing crazy there is no wonder cases have jumped. They are now testing nearly 10x the number of people than they were 3 months ago (16k Vs 160k a day). | |||
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"They tried ever coercive trick in the book to convince as many people in the shortest possible time to take the experimental jab. Some people believed them. Some people did extensive research and didnt believe them. YouTube and Facebook research? No by watching and listening to the actual people/companies who are forcing this on the entire world. And remember its a virus with a 99.97% survival rate. (Government figures not mine) The stat is 1% death rate (IFR) overall not 0.03%. Vaccination of 70% in the UK has decreased death rate and hospitalisation dramatically. Again fake news... why say this as it scares people? Just so your aware over the last 18 months it’s 133k ‘attributed’ to Covid out of 70 million’ish so tell the truth. It isn’t 1% or even close and the 133k is from the ONS and WHO and easily verified ffs" You’re aware that you calculate the death rate by using the amount of people who have had Covid rather than just everyone, yeah? | |||
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"Agreed. " It helps if you use reply and quote as nobody knows who you are agreeing with | |||
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"I've also noticed that the narrative appears to be changing. Initially we we told that the vaccines would reduce transmission. The Queen and prominent government ministers implied that chosing not to get vaccinated was selfish. " “When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?” - Paul Samuelson | |||
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"The article from the daily mail cites a study from "Stats compiled by Oxford University-backed research team Our World in Data". Where did you get the information you cited from. Please provide a link. Also, 178 people died of Covid yesterday. Do you know how many people were dying each day this time last year when the conditions were similar (but we had no vaccine)? There's no point in making a comparison between the deaths now and deaths during the middle of Winter last year. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9951757/UKs-daily-Covid-cases-stay-flat-38-154-positive-tests-recorded.html" I am no statistician but surely to make a comparison you need comparable data points. So you either choose the death rate and work backwards or the infection rate and work forwards. Only then can you ascertain the proportion of those with a positive covid result (number infected) that result in A) hospitalisation and B) Death. The environmental factors such as winter vs summer is another variable but without complex data models none of us here can account for those and other variables. They key stat is the % of those infected who die. | |||
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"Please share any souces, stats or information you find in the future. I'd love to see. Data is King! " Will do. I prefer a complete picture, even if it goes against my own viewpoint. The ONS is one of the richest data sources, but interpreting some of what is said can be difficult at times. Medical journals are good too, but the caveat on them is they are sometimes views and not peer reviewed research. Terminology is sometimes an issue too and needs further reading! Weirdly fab can be a good source too (seriously!) as they can lead to ideas for further research. | |||
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"Indeed we could "either choose the death rate and work backwards or the infection rate and work forwards".However given that we KNOW that Covid affects us more adversley during the Winter, surley it's unwise to compare figures from Winter last year and figures from this Summer? Would we compare the amount of people of died from the Flu this Summer to the amount of people who died from the Flu last Winter (at the peak of Flu season)?" Absolutely this, there was a rash of Covid deniers on Twitter retweeting data that showed death rates were no higher than 2003 (I think), conveniently missing out that death rates had dropped year on year since 2003. | |||
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"Imagine how many would be dying now of we didn't have vaccine and economy fully open Vaccines work not 100% but they will stop a lot of the transmission and death full stop Get on with your lives, you only live once , enjoy it "Not sure anyone is suggesting anyone does the opposite of that ie nobody is saying don't get on with your lives. But people are able to get on with their lives whilst being mindful and careful to not spread it around unnecesarily. A few simple measures help. The delusion that vaccines are super dooper and doing what they are supposed (whatever that may be) too is concerning and people are just spreading it ever more. Let's see where we are in autumn and winter. But sticking our head in the sand and pretending it's not all around us helps nobody. | |||
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"https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9951117/Israel-worlds-Covid-hotspot-0-2-population-catching-yesterday.html#article-9951117 I found this article fascinating. Given what we've been told in relation to vaccines and their efficacy I think this is a little concerning. Does anyone else share that view?" Firstly written by a newspaper. Secondly the efficacy was expected to reduce over time... much like the flu vaccine that needs yearly shots... Even with the reduced efficacy it is still better than most vaccines. | |||
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"Imagine how many would be dying now of we didn't have vaccine and economy fully open Vaccines work not 100% but they will stop a lot of the transmission and death full stop Get on with your lives, you only live once , enjoy it
Not sure anyone is suggesting anyone does the opposite of that ie nobody is saying don't get on with your lives. But people are able to get on with their lives whilst being mindful and careful to not spread it around unnecesarily. A few simple measures help. The delusion that vaccines are super dooper and doing what they are supposed (whatever that may be) too is concerning and people are just spreading it ever more. Let's see where we are in autumn and winter. But sticking our head in the sand and pretending it's not all around us helps nobody. "Even with vaccines (which are helping but perhaps not to the extent we first thought they were) I’m still maintaining excellent hygiene as well as mask wearing and maintaining social distancing. Why? Well because it’s not a big inconvenience to endure in order to help save lives. | |||
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"https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9951117/Israel-worlds-Covid-hotspot-0-2-population-catching-yesterday.html#article-9951117 I found this article fascinating. Given what we've been told in relation to vaccines and their efficacy I think this is a little concerning. Does anyone else share that view? Firstly written by a newspaper. Secondly the efficacy was expected to reduce over time... much like the flu vaccine that needs yearly shots... Even with the reduced efficacy it is still better than most vaccines. " Better than most vaccines? Given we don't know how "good" it is.. And for how long That's quite some claim against all the other vaccines out there. It's clear that it is tailing off quicker than expected otherwise it would not be news. Whether anybody was expecting it is debatable. I certainly wasn't expecting mine to start tailing off after only 6 months. Had I known thta I may have chosen to have mine in autumn to protect me in winter rather than in spring to protect me in summer. | |||
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"The article cites "stats compiled by Oxford University-backed research team Our World in Data". You claim that this vaccine is better than most. Do you have any evidence for this? I assume you won't be using newspaper articles for your evidence lol " Flu vaccine efficacy is average 59% Source: Shelly McNeil, MD Canadian Center for Vaccinology I don't need to post anything about the efficacy of covid vaccines...I am sure you are aware that this is higher | |||
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"The article cites "stats compiled by Oxford University-backed research team Our World in Data". You claim that this vaccine is better than most. Do you have any evidence for this? I assume you won't be using newspaper articles for your evidence lol Flu vaccine efficacy is average 59% Source: Shelly McNeil, MD Canadian Center for Vaccinology I don't need to post anything about the efficacy of covid vaccines...I am sure you are aware that this is higher " The efficacy of covid vaccines is waning. The CDC has reported drops from 90% to 75%. So yes, 75% is higher than 59%, but I'm not aware that the flu jab loses efficacy. | |||
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"There's no need to "Imagine". We have data we can refer to. If vaccines reduce transmission how do you explain what's happening in Isreal? Please refer to the link in the original post." R0 of Delta variant is over 6. Vaccine reduces transmission by 2/3rds which effectively bring R0 down to 2. That is still more than flu and as not everyone is vaccinated it will be higher. Restrictions of course push it a bit lower. Israel is currently testing 160k a day from a population of 9.3m. They are heavily testing school children (unvaccinated) before the schools return which is identifying lots of asymptomatic cases. In the 30-39 age group there are 18.9 people seriously ill in every 100k. Of these 18.9, just 0.4% are double vaccinated. Given cases are increasing, are you suggesting they are increasing because of the vaccine? | |||
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"Can you post a link please?" https://www.who.int/influenza_vaccines_plan/resources/Session4_VEfficacy_VEffectiveness.PDF | |||
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"The article cites "stats compiled by Oxford University-backed research team Our World in Data". You claim that this vaccine is better than most. Do you have any evidence for this? I assume you won't be using newspaper articles for your evidence lol Flu vaccine efficacy is average 59% Source: Shelly McNeil, MD Canadian Center for Vaccinology I don't need to post anything about the efficacy of covid vaccines...I am sure you are aware that this is higher The efficacy of covid vaccines is waning. The CDC has reported drops from 90% to 75%. So yes, 75% is higher than 59%, but I'm not aware that the flu jab loses efficacy. " https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/how-long-does-the-flu-shot-last | |||
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"The article cites "stats compiled by Oxford University-backed research team Our World in Data". You claim that this vaccine is better than most. Do you have any evidence for this? I assume you won't be using newspaper articles for your evidence lol Flu vaccine efficacy is average 59% Source: Shelly McNeil, MD Canadian Center for Vaccinology I don't need to post anything about the efficacy of covid vaccines...I am sure you are aware that this is higher The efficacy of covid vaccines is waning. The CDC has reported drops from 90% to 75%. So yes, 75% is higher than 59%, but I'm not aware that the flu jab loses efficacy. " As you are quoting CDC only fair I provide a link from CDC explaining See section " Why do I need a flu vaccine every year?" https://www.cdc.gov/flu/prevent/keyfacts.htm https://www.cdc.gov/flu/prevent/keyfacts.htm | |||
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"The article cites "stats compiled by Oxford University-backed research team Our World in Data". You claim that this vaccine is better than most. Do you have any evidence for this? I assume you won't be using newspaper articles for your evidence lol Flu vaccine efficacy is average 59% Source: Shelly McNeil, MD Canadian Center for Vaccinology I don't need to post anything about the efficacy of covid vaccines...I am sure you are aware that this is higher " . That's not really the vaccines fault though, mostly they just fail to predict the future prevalent strain when there making it six months before it gets here. | |||
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"The article cites "stats compiled by Oxford University-backed research team Our World in Data". You claim that this vaccine is better than most. Do you have any evidence for this? I assume you won't be using newspaper articles for your evidence lol Flu vaccine efficacy is average 59% Source: Shelly McNeil, MD Canadian Center for Vaccinology I don't need to post anything about the efficacy of covid vaccines...I am sure you are aware that this is higher . That's not really the vaccines fault though, mostly they just fail to predict the future prevalent strain when there making it six months before it gets here. " See my CDC link. It's both mutations and that the immune protection declines. | |||
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""Room for alot of spread in the 32% unvaccinated" Are you being serious lol? The fact that cases are soaring despite the"trail blazing roll-out" is significant. According to the article "Israel has become the Covid capital of the world despite leading the charge on vaccines". How have you managed to make this a story about people who are hesitant about taking these new vaccines? " I'm not interested in those that choose not to take a vaccine, it's your decision, I wouldn't even waste one minute of breath changing their mind. I was simply telling you where the cases are coming from and then I told you that the percentage of people in hospital. Vaccines are still working in Israel but the very first vaccinated are definitely showing a waning and why Israel have decided on a third booster. | |||
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""Room for alot of spread in the 32% unvaccinated" Are you being serious lol? The fact that cases are soaring despite the"trail blazing roll-out" is significant. According to the article "Israel has become the Covid capital of the world despite leading the charge on vaccines". How have you managed to make this a story about people who are hesitant about taking these new vaccines? " Without restrictions and a vaccine, on average, each person will transmit the delta variant to 6 people. if everyone is vaccinated and the vaccine reduces transmission by 2/3rds then 1 person will transmit to 2 others. That will result in a rapid spread. The fact that not everyone is vaccinated makes increases the rate of case growth. Why Israel? Simply because they opened up again because they could. They have protected those who want to be protected. | |||
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"Isreal is LITERALLY the "Covid capital of the world" now despite thier trail blazing roll-out. Surley that's casts doubt over the effectiveness of vaccines? How is that even a controversial point to make? " Because they were never designed to stop you catching it or spreading it, the fact they actually do limit it was just and added bonus. How is that hard for you to understand?. | |||
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"Isreal is LITERALLY the "Covid capital of the world" now despite thier trail blazing roll-out. Surley that's casts doubt over the effectiveness of vaccines? How is that even a controversial point to make? Because they were never designed to stop you catching it or spreading it, the fact they actually do limit it was just and added bonus. How is that hard for you to understand?." In fairness because for the Las 6 months all the media have had stories and trotted out talking head "scientists" to tell us that "it's OK the vax is stopping the spread so get a vax..." or "look the numbers have gone right down all down to the vax working at over 90 percent" and so on. So if you keep telling people it stops the spread... Its reasonable when they start to believe it is really effective at stopping the spread. And then... When it doesn't stop the spread. It's reasonable for people to question the fact that it now isn't stopping the spread. | |||
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"Isreal is LITERALLY the "Covid capital of the world" now despite thier trail blazing roll-out. Surley that's casts doubt over the effectiveness of vaccines? How is that even a controversial point to make? " How many people in Israel are getting seriously ill or dying from COVID? | |||
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"Isreal is LITERALLY the "Covid capital of the world" now despite thier trail blazing roll-out. Surley that's casts doubt over the effectiveness of vaccines? How is that even a controversial point to make? Because they were never designed to stop you catching it or spreading it, the fact they actually do limit it was just and added bonus. How is that hard for you to understand?. In fairness because for the Las 6 months all the media have had stories and trotted out talking head "scientists" to tell us that "it's OK the vax is stopping the spread so get a vax..." or "look the numbers have gone right down all down to the vax working at over 90 percent" and so on. So if you keep telling people it stops the spread... Its reasonable when they start to believe it is really effective at stopping the spread. And then... When it doesn't stop the spread. It's reasonable for people to question the fact that it now isn't stopping the spread. " And further... If you then have public policies that are entirely contingent on people being double jabbed (as those people are good people who aren't spreading it) it leaves the possibility for people to get the wrong message. | |||
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"There's no need to be rude. Also, we we've been told repeatedly by numerous public figures that people who refuse the vaccine are selfish. I've posted links to those articles throughout this thread. It was thought, initially,that unvaccinated people were far more likely to spread the virus. This data from Isreal COMPLETELY blows that theory out of the water. " How many people in Israel are getting seriously ill or dying from COVID? | |||
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"Totally agree! Also, why would you restrict unvaccinated people from entering Niguclubs if they're just as likely to transmit the disease as vaccinated people? " How many people in Israel are getting seriously ill or dying from COVID?  | |||
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"I'm not sure, the article makes no reference to death. We do know however that 174 people died in this country yesterday. These figure are very similar to the numbers we were getting this time last year before we had a vaccine. I know that we have less restrictions now however we also had hardly any restrictions this time last year. In fact we were actively being encouraged to eat at local restaurants. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9951757/UKs-daily-Covid-cases-stay-flat-38-154-positive-tests-recorded.html" Israel are averaging 26 a day this week , there were far more restrictions this time last year than this year. | |||
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"I'm not sure, the article makes no reference to death. We do know however that 174 people died in this country yesterday. These figure are very similar to the numbers we were getting this time last year before we had a vaccine. I know that we have less restrictions now however we also had hardly any restrictions this time last year. In fact we were actively being encouraged to eat at local restaurants. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9951757/UKs-daily-Covid-cases-stay-flat-38-154-positive-tests-recorded.html Israel are averaging 26 a day this week , there were far more restrictions this time last year than this year." That's how I look at it and Winter may be a different story when we are all indoors more but I still feel we are in a much better place this time than we where last year. | |||
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"I'm not sure, the article makes no reference to death. We do know however that 174 people died in this country yesterday. These figure are very similar to the numbers we were getting this time last year before we had a vaccine. I know that we have less restrictions now however we also had hardly any restrictions this time last year. In fact we were actively being encouraged to eat at local restaurants. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9951757/UKs-daily-Covid-cases-stay-flat-38-154-positive-tests-recorded.html" I’m not sure Covid is a respecter of strictly annual cycles in which case comparing a specific day 12 months apart really doesn’t mean much. | |||
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"Far more restrictions like what? Aside from Facemasks in stores and a limit of large scale events I can't think of many. Also, this time last year we were allowing people to enter the country without quarantineing." No festivals No indoor events No ‘full’ sports stadiums Nightclubs closed Limited numbers of people in your house Limited numbers of people in bars and restaurants (household bubbles and numbers ) Face masks mandatory Etc etc | |||
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"Totally agree! Also, why would you restrict unvaccinated people from entering Niguclubs if they're just as likely to transmit the disease as vaccinated people? " Its really difficult to follow this post because its hard to know who you are applying to if you want to reply to a specific poster it's best to use reply and quote. | |||
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"Totally agree! Also, why would you restrict unvaccinated people from entering Niguclubs if they're just as likely to transmit the disease as vaccinated people? Its really difficult to follow this post because its hard to know who you are applying to if you want to reply to a specific poster it's best to use reply and quote." Thanks, I'm new to this lol | |||
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"Can you share a link to your source regarding deaths in Isreal? " https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/israel#how-many-tests-are-performed-each-day | |||
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"Can you share a link to your source regarding deaths in Isreal? https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/israel#how-many-tests-are-performed-each-day" Thanks. Unfortunately I could find any reference to the number of 26 deaths that you cited. | |||
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"Can you share a link to your source regarding deaths in Isreal? https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/israel#how-many-tests-are-performed-each-day Thanks. Unfortunately I could find any reference to the number of 26 deaths that you cited." It’s there, have a look at the graph, it shows how the death rate has decreased even though infections have increased | |||
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"Can you share a link to your source regarding deaths in Isreal? https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/israel#how-many-tests-are-performed-each-day Thanks. Unfortunately I could find any reference to the number of 26 deaths that you cited. It’s there, have a look at the graph, it shows how the death rate has decreased even though infections have increased " It shows that they're doing more testing but no reference at all to the figure you quoted of 26 deaths | |||
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"Totally agree! Also, why would you restrict unvaccinated people from entering Niguclubs if they're just as likely to transmit the disease as vaccinated people? Its really difficult to follow this post because its hard to know who you are applying to if you want to reply to a specific poster it's best to use reply and quote. Thanks, I'm new to this lol " Thats ok and i see you have done it now, much easier isn't it. | |||
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"Can you share a link to your source regarding deaths in Isreal? https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/israel#how-many-tests-are-performed-each-day Thanks. Unfortunately I could find any reference to the number of 26 deaths that you cited. It’s there, have a look at the graph, it shows how the death rate has decreased even though infections have increased It shows that they're doing more testing but no reference at all to the figure you quoted of 26 deaths " It’s there, google ‘Israel covid deaths’ it’s all there, death rates have significantly decreased even though infection rates have increased | |||
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"I'm not sure, the article makes no reference to death. We do know however that 174 people died in this country yesterday. These figure are very similar to the numbers we were getting this time last year before we had a vaccine. I know that we have less restrictions now however we also had hardly any restrictions this time last year. In fact we were actively being encouraged to eat at local restaurants. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9951757/UKs-daily-Covid-cases-stay-flat-38-154-positive-tests-recorded.html I’m not sure Covid is a respecter of strictly annual cycles in which case comparing a specific day 12 months apart really doesn’t mean much." Surley it makes more sense that comparing figures now with figures from last winter. Some in this post have attempted to do that and we know for certain that the virus affects us more adversly during the Winter. Personally I think a comparison with how we fared this time last year would be interesting. We need as much information as we can get so that we can make informed choices. I have no issues with vaccines and I'm open to taking these ones however I'd just like some more information before I make a decision. | |||
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"Can you share a link to your source regarding deaths in Isreal? https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/israel#how-many-tests-are-performed-each-day Thanks. Unfortunately I could find any reference to the number of 26 deaths that you cited." Got to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/israel/ Scroll down to updates and click on source. You will need to do Google translate or similar to convert from Hebrew to English but you will find all the data there..beats the Daily Fail | |||
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"I'm not sure, the article makes no reference to death. We do know however that 174 people died in this country yesterday. These figure are very similar to the numbers we were getting this time last year before we had a vaccine. I know that we have less restrictions now however we also had hardly any restrictions this time last year. In fact we were actively being encouraged to eat at local restaurants. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9951757/UKs-daily-Covid-cases-stay-flat-38-154-positive-tests-recorded.html I’m not sure Covid is a respecter of strictly annual cycles in which case comparing a specific day 12 months apart really doesn’t mean much. Surley it makes more sense that comparing figures now with figures from last winter. Some in this post have attempted to do that and we know for certain that the virus affects us more adversly during the Winter. Personally I think a comparison with how we fared this time last year would be interesting. We need as much information as we can get so that we can make informed choices. I have no issues with vaccines and I'm open to taking these ones however I'd just like some more information before I make a decision." How old are you, you've hidden your profile so I can't tell but I'm guessing your above 25?. If so take it. | |||
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"I'm not sure, the article makes no reference to death. We do know however that 174 people died in this country yesterday. These figure are very similar to the numbers we were getting this time last year before we had a vaccine. I know that we have less restrictions now however we also had hardly any restrictions this time last year. In fact we were actively being encouraged to eat at local restaurants. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9951757/UKs-daily-Covid-cases-stay-flat-38-154-positive-tests-recorded.html" Actually deaths now are nearly 20ntimes what they were a year ago. 2nd Sept deaths a year ago 9. | |||
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"I'm not sure, the article makes no reference to death. We do know however that 174 people died in this country yesterday. These figure are very similar to the numbers we were getting this time last year before we had a vaccine. I know that we have less restrictions now however we also had hardly any restrictions this time last year. In fact we were actively being encouraged to eat at local restaurants. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9951757/UKs-daily-Covid-cases-stay-flat-38-154-positive-tests-recorded.html I’m not sure Covid is a respecter of strictly annual cycles in which case comparing a specific day 12 months apart really doesn’t mean much. Surley it makes more sense that comparing figures now with figures from last winter. Some in this post have attempted to do that and we know for certain that the virus affects us more adversly during the Winter. Personally I think a comparison with how we fared this time last year would be interesting. We need as much information as we can get so that we can make informed choices. I have no issues with vaccines and I'm open to taking these ones however I'd just like some more information before I make a decision." Of course, it’s your body, ultimately it’s your decision, what is preventing you from getting the vaccine | |||
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"I'm not sure, the article makes no reference to death. We do know however that 174 people died in this country yesterday. These figure are very similar to the numbers we were getting this time last year before we had a vaccine. I know that we have less restrictions now however we also had hardly any restrictions this time last year. In fact we were actively being encouraged to eat at local restaurants. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9951757/UKs-daily-Covid-cases-stay-flat-38-154-positive-tests-recorded.html Actually deaths now are nearly 20ntimes what they were a year ago. 2nd Sept deaths a year ago 9. " In the UK or Israel? | |||
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"I'm not sure, the article makes no reference to death. We do know however that 174 people died in this country yesterday. These figure are very similar to the numbers we were getting this time last year before we had a vaccine. I know that we have less restrictions now however we also had hardly any restrictions this time last year. In fact we were actively being encouraged to eat at local restaurants. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9951757/UKs-daily-Covid-cases-stay-flat-38-154-positive-tests-recorded.html Israel are averaging 26 a day this week , there were far more restrictions this time last year than this year. That's how I look at it and Winter may be a different story when we are all indoors more but I still feel we are in a much better place this time than we where last year. " I'm interested. What is it that makes you think we are in a better place now than 12 months ago? | |||
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"I'm not sure, the article makes no reference to death. We do know however that 174 people died in this country yesterday. These figure are very similar to the numbers we were getting this time last year before we had a vaccine. I know that we have less restrictions now however we also had hardly any restrictions this time last year. In fact we were actively being encouraged to eat at local restaurants. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9951757/UKs-daily-Covid-cases-stay-flat-38-154-positive-tests-recorded.html Israel are averaging 26 a day this week , there were far more restrictions this time last year than this year. That's how I look at it and Winter may be a different story when we are all indoors more but I still feel we are in a much better place this time than we where last year. I'm interested. What is it that makes you think we are in a better place now than 12 months ago? " Well its very obvious it's the vaccines! | |||
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"I'm not sure, the article makes no reference to death. We do know however that 174 people died in this country yesterday. These figure are very similar to the numbers we were getting this time last year before we had a vaccine. I know that we have less restrictions now however we also had hardly any restrictions this time last year. In fact we were actively being encouraged to eat at local restaurants. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9951757/UKs-daily-Covid-cases-stay-flat-38-154-positive-tests-recorded.html Israel are averaging 26 a day this week , there were far more restrictions this time last year than this year. That's how I look at it and Winter may be a different story when we are all indoors more but I still feel we are in a much better place this time than we where last year. I'm interested. What is it that makes you think we are in a better place now than 12 months ago? " No (or very few restrictions) and the vaccine, let’s see what the figures are like in the winter | |||
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"You stated that "The fact that not everyone is vaccinated makes increases the rate of case growth". How does that relate to what we're seeing in Isreal? The article demonstrates clearly that the most heavily vaccinated country is the world is the world's most infected country. " Had it not been vaccinated it would have been carnage. As I have said, Israel hasn't had the restrictions for a while. They have re-introduced some I think. As I also mention, the vaccine reduces transmission rather than prevent. Also, Israel isn't the most vaccinated country in the world. In terms of vaccinations across all age groups, the UK has higher percentage fully vaccinated than Israel. So does Germany, Italy and Portugal. | |||
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"You stated that "The fact that not everyone is vaccinated makes increases the rate of case growth". How does that relate to what we're seeing in Isreal? The article demonstrates clearly that the most heavily vaccinated country is the world is the world's most infected country. Had it not been vaccinated it would have been carnage. As I have said, Israel hasn't had the restrictions for a while. They have re-introduced some I think. As I also mention, the vaccine reduces transmission rather than prevent. Also, Israel isn't the most vaccinated country in the world. In terms of vaccinations across all age groups, the UK has higher percentage fully vaccinated than Israel. So does Germany, Italy and Portugal." Uptake of the vaccine in various parts of London is extremely low. Boroughs like Tower Hamlets and Hackey stil have incredibly low uptake (have a look at the link below). Why haven't we seen carnage in those areas? I'm genuinely interested. https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/health/hackney-sees-low-vaccine-uptake-8094246 | |||
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"You stated that "The fact that not everyone is vaccinated makes increases the rate of case growth". How does that relate to what we're seeing in Isreal? The article demonstrates clearly that the most heavily vaccinated country is the world is the world's most infected country. Had it not been vaccinated it would have been carnage. As I have said, Israel hasn't had the restrictions for a while. They have re-introduced some I think. As I also mention, the vaccine reduces transmission rather than prevent. Also, Israel isn't the most vaccinated country in the world. In terms of vaccinations across all age groups, the UK has higher percentage fully vaccinated than Israel. So does Germany, Italy and Portugal. Uptake of the vaccine in various parts of London is extremely low. Boroughs like Tower Hamlets and Hackey stil have incredibly low uptake (have a look at the link below). Why haven't we seen carnage in those areas? I'm genuinely interested. https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/health/hackney-sees-low-vaccine-uptake-8094246 " Tower hamlets and Hackney do have some of the highest covid rates in London though! | |||
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"You stated that "The fact that not everyone is vaccinated makes increases the rate of case growth". How does that relate to what we're seeing in Isreal? The article demonstrates clearly that the most heavily vaccinated country is the world is the world's most infected country. Had it not been vaccinated it would have been carnage. As I have said, Israel hasn't had the restrictions for a while. They have re-introduced some I think. As I also mention, the vaccine reduces transmission rather than prevent. Also, Israel isn't the most vaccinated country in the world. In terms of vaccinations across all age groups, the UK has higher percentage fully vaccinated than Israel. So does Germany, Italy and Portugal. Uptake of the vaccine in various parts of London is extremely low. Boroughs like Tower Hamlets and Hackey stil have incredibly low uptake (have a look at the link below). Why haven't we seen carnage in those areas? I'm genuinely interested. https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/health/hackney-sees-low-vaccine-uptake-8094246 " People aren’t getting tested? | |||
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"You stated that "The fact that not everyone is vaccinated makes increases the rate of case growth". How does that relate to what we're seeing in Isreal? The article demonstrates clearly that the most heavily vaccinated country is the world is the world's most infected country. Had it not been vaccinated it would have been carnage. As I have said, Israel hasn't had the restrictions for a while. They have re-introduced some I think. As I also mention, the vaccine reduces transmission rather than prevent. Also, Israel isn't the most vaccinated country in the world. In terms of vaccinations across all age groups, the UK has higher percentage fully vaccinated than Israel. So does Germany, Italy and Portugal. Uptake of the vaccine in various parts of London is extremely low. Boroughs like Tower Hamlets and Hackey stil have incredibly low uptake (have a look at the link below). Why haven't we seen carnage in those areas? I'm genuinely interested. https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/health/hackney-sees-low-vaccine-uptake-8094246 People aren’t getting tested? " testing rates have gone down nationally so I would assume if you are unlikely to want the vaccination are you like me to be testing regularly? | |||
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"You stated that "The fact that not everyone is vaccinated makes increases the rate of case growth". How does that relate to what we're seeing in Isreal? The article demonstrates clearly that the most heavily vaccinated country is the world is the world's most infected country. Had it not been vaccinated it would have been carnage. As I have said, Israel hasn't had the restrictions for a while. They have re-introduced some I think. As I also mention, the vaccine reduces transmission rather than prevent. Also, Israel isn't the most vaccinated country in the world. In terms of vaccinations across all age groups, the UK has higher percentage fully vaccinated than Israel. So does Germany, Italy and Portugal. Uptake of the vaccine in various parts of London is extremely low. Boroughs like Tower Hamlets and Hackey stil have incredibly low uptake (have a look at the link below). Why haven't we seen carnage in those areas? I'm genuinely interested. https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/health/hackney-sees-low-vaccine-uptake-8094246 People aren’t getting tested? testing rates have gone down nationally so I would assume if you are unlikely to want the vaccination are you like me to be testing regularly?" Makes sense, | |||
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"You stated that "The fact that not everyone is vaccinated makes increases the rate of case growth". How does that relate to what we're seeing in Isreal? The article demonstrates clearly that the most heavily vaccinated country is the world is the world's most infected country. Had it not been vaccinated it would have been carnage. As I have said, Israel hasn't had the restrictions for a while. They have re-introduced some I think. As I also mention, the vaccine reduces transmission rather than prevent. Also, Israel isn't the most vaccinated country in the world. In terms of vaccinations across all age groups, the UK has higher percentage fully vaccinated than Israel. So does Germany, Italy and Portugal. Uptake of the vaccine in various parts of London is extremely low. Boroughs like Tower Hamlets and Hackey stil have incredibly low uptake (have a look at the link below). Why haven't we seen carnage in those areas? I'm genuinely interested. https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/health/hackney-sees-low-vaccine-uptake-8094246 Tower hamlets and Hackney do have some of the highest covid rates in London though! " Not according to this https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-54324244. Where did you get your figures from? | |||
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"You stated that "The fact that not everyone is vaccinated makes increases the rate of case growth". How does that relate to what we're seeing in Isreal? The article demonstrates clearly that the most heavily vaccinated country is the world is the world's most infected country. Had it not been vaccinated it would have been carnage. As I have said, Israel hasn't had the restrictions for a while. They have re-introduced some I think. As I also mention, the vaccine reduces transmission rather than prevent. Also, Israel isn't the most vaccinated country in the world. In terms of vaccinations across all age groups, the UK has higher percentage fully vaccinated than Israel. So does Germany, Italy and Portugal. Uptake of the vaccine in various parts of London is extremely low. Boroughs like Tower Hamlets and Hackey stil have incredibly low uptake (have a look at the link below). Why haven't we seen carnage in those areas? I'm genuinely interested. https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/health/hackney-sees-low-vaccine-uptake-8094246 People aren’t getting tested? testing rates have gone down nationally so I would assume if you are unlikely to want the vaccination are you like me to be testing regularly?" Please provide evidence for your assumptions. I've done it so it's only fair that you do the same. | |||
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"You stated that "The fact that not everyone is vaccinated makes increases the rate of case growth". How does that relate to what we're seeing in Isreal? The article demonstrates clearly that the most heavily vaccinated country is the world is the world's most infected country. Had it not been vaccinated it would have been carnage. As I have said, Israel hasn't had the restrictions for a while. They have re-introduced some I think. As I also mention, the vaccine reduces transmission rather than prevent. Also, Israel isn't the most vaccinated country in the world. In terms of vaccinations across all age groups, the UK has higher percentage fully vaccinated than Israel. So does Germany, Italy and Portugal. Uptake of the vaccine in various parts of London is extremely low. Boroughs like Tower Hamlets and Hackey stil have incredibly low uptake (have a look at the link below). Why haven't we seen carnage in those areas? I'm genuinely interested. https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/health/hackney-sees-low-vaccine-uptake-8094246 Tower hamlets and Hackney do have some of the highest covid rates in London though! Not according to this https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-54324244. Where did you get your figures from?" Should that not be "when" did you get your figures from? That article is 1st March... | |||
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"You stated that "The fact that not everyone is vaccinated makes increases the rate of case growth". How does that relate to what we're seeing in Isreal? The article demonstrates clearly that the most heavily vaccinated country is the world is the world's most infected country. Had it not been vaccinated it would have been carnage. As I have said, Israel hasn't had the restrictions for a while. They have re-introduced some I think. As I also mention, the vaccine reduces transmission rather than prevent. Also, Israel isn't the most vaccinated country in the world. In terms of vaccinations across all age groups, the UK has higher percentage fully vaccinated than Israel. So does Germany, Italy and Portugal. Uptake of the vaccine in various parts of London is extremely low. Boroughs like Tower Hamlets and Hackey stil have incredibly low uptake (have a look at the link below). Why haven't we seen carnage in those areas? I'm genuinely interested. https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/health/hackney-sees-low-vaccine-uptake-8094246 Tower hamlets and Hackney do have some of the highest covid rates in London though! Not according to this https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-54324244. Where did you get your figures from?" You seem to be ‘clutching at straws ‘ here, what do you think is the main benefit of taxing the vaccine? And what do you think is the main reason why you haven’t had the vaccine? | |||
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"You stated that "The fact that not everyone is vaccinated makes increases the rate of case growth". How does that relate to what we're seeing in Isreal? The article demonstrates clearly that the most heavily vaccinated country is the world is the world's most infected country. Had it not been vaccinated it would have been carnage. As I have said, Israel hasn't had the restrictions for a while. They have re-introduced some I think. As I also mention, the vaccine reduces transmission rather than prevent. Also, Israel isn't the most vaccinated country in the world. In terms of vaccinations across all age groups, the UK has higher percentage fully vaccinated than Israel. So does Germany, Italy and Portugal. Uptake of the vaccine in various parts of London is extremely low. Boroughs like Tower Hamlets and Hackey stil have incredibly low uptake (have a look at the link below). Why haven't we seen carnage in those areas? I'm genuinely interested. https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/health/hackney-sees-low-vaccine-uptake-8094246 People aren’t getting tested? testing rates have gone down nationally so I would assume if you are unlikely to want the vaccination are you like me to be testing regularly? Please provide evidence for your assumptions. I've done it so it's only fair that you do the same. " I cant provide evidence which is why I said I assume because it is an assumption! | |||
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"You stated that "The fact that not everyone is vaccinated makes increases the rate of case growth". How does that relate to what we're seeing in Isreal? The article demonstrates clearly that the most heavily vaccinated country is the world is the world's most infected country. Had it not been vaccinated it would have been carnage. As I have said, Israel hasn't had the restrictions for a while. They have re-introduced some I think. As I also mention, the vaccine reduces transmission rather than prevent. Also, Israel isn't the most vaccinated country in the world. In terms of vaccinations across all age groups, the UK has higher percentage fully vaccinated than Israel. So does Germany, Italy and Portugal. Uptake of the vaccine in various parts of London is extremely low. Boroughs like Tower Hamlets and Hackey stil have incredibly low uptake (have a look at the link below). Why haven't we seen carnage in those areas? I'm genuinely interested. https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/health/hackney-sees-low-vaccine-uptake-8094246 Tower hamlets and Hackney do have some of the highest covid rates in London though! Not according to this https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-54324244. Where did you get your figures from? You seem to be ‘clutching at straws ‘ here, what do you think is the main benefit of taxing the vaccine? And what do you think is the main reason why you haven’t had the vaccine? " *taking | |||
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"You stated that "The fact that not everyone is vaccinated makes increases the rate of case growth". How does that relate to what we're seeing in Isreal? The article demonstrates clearly that the most heavily vaccinated country is the world is the world's most infected country. Had it not been vaccinated it would have been carnage. As I have said, Israel hasn't had the restrictions for a while. They have re-introduced some I think. As I also mention, the vaccine reduces transmission rather than prevent. Also, Israel isn't the most vaccinated country in the world. In terms of vaccinations across all age groups, the UK has higher percentage fully vaccinated than Israel. So does Germany, Italy and Portugal. Uptake of the vaccine in various parts of London is extremely low. Boroughs like Tower Hamlets and Hackey stil have incredibly low uptake (have a look at the link below). Why haven't we seen carnage in those areas? I'm genuinely interested. https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/health/hackney-sees-low-vaccine-uptake-8094246 Tower hamlets and Hackney do have some of the highest covid rates in London though! Not according to this https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-54324244. Where did you get your figures from? Should that not be "when" did you get your figures from? That article is 1st March..." Thank you I was just about to say that I live in a neighbouring Borough, also see the figures on the local news. | |||
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"You stated that "The fact that not everyone is vaccinated makes increases the rate of case growth". How does that relate to what we're seeing in Isreal? The article demonstrates clearly that the most heavily vaccinated country is the world is the world's most infected country. Had it not been vaccinated it would have been carnage. As I have said, Israel hasn't had the restrictions for a while. They have re-introduced some I think. As I also mention, the vaccine reduces transmission rather than prevent. Also, Israel isn't the most vaccinated country in the world. In terms of vaccinations across all age groups, the UK has higher percentage fully vaccinated than Israel. So does Germany, Italy and Portugal. Uptake of the vaccine in various parts of London is extremely low. Boroughs like Tower Hamlets and Hackey stil have incredibly low uptake (have a look at the link below). Why haven't we seen carnage in those areas? I'm genuinely interested. https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/health/hackney-sees-low-vaccine-uptake-8094246 Tower hamlets and Hackney do have some of the highest covid rates in London though! Not according to this https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-54324244. Where did you get your figures from? Should that not be "when" did you get your figures from? That article is 1st March... Thank you I was just about to say that I live in a neighbouring Borough, also see the figures on the local news. " I live inside the Borough and I haven't seen the carnage the previous poster predicted. | |||
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"You stated that "The fact that not everyone is vaccinated makes increases the rate of case growth". How does that relate to what we're seeing in Isreal? The article demonstrates clearly that the most heavily vaccinated country is the world is the world's most infected country. Had it not been vaccinated it would have been carnage. As I have said, Israel hasn't had the restrictions for a while. They have re-introduced some I think. As I also mention, the vaccine reduces transmission rather than prevent. Also, Israel isn't the most vaccinated country in the world. In terms of vaccinations across all age groups, the UK has higher percentage fully vaccinated than Israel. So does Germany, Italy and Portugal. Uptake of the vaccine in various parts of London is extremely low. Boroughs like Tower Hamlets and Hackey stil have incredibly low uptake (have a look at the link below). Why haven't we seen carnage in those areas? I'm genuinely interested. https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/health/hackney-sees-low-vaccine-uptake-8094246 " Possibly because London has higher levels of natural immunity and a much younger demographic. Statistically, Londoners are therefore less likely to have be sympathetic or tested. | |||
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"You stated that "The fact that not everyone is vaccinated makes increases the rate of case growth". How does that relate to what we're seeing in Isreal? The article demonstrates clearly that the most heavily vaccinated country is the world is the world's most infected country. Had it not been vaccinated it would have been carnage. As I have said, Israel hasn't had the restrictions for a while. They have re-introduced some I think. As I also mention, the vaccine reduces transmission rather than prevent. Also, Israel isn't the most vaccinated country in the world. In terms of vaccinations across all age groups, the UK has higher percentage fully vaccinated than Israel. So does Germany, Italy and Portugal. Uptake of the vaccine in various parts of London is extremely low. Boroughs like Tower Hamlets and Hackey stil have incredibly low uptake (have a look at the link below). Why haven't we seen carnage in those areas? I'm genuinely interested. https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/health/hackney-sees-low-vaccine-uptake-8094246 Tower hamlets and Hackney do have some of the highest covid rates in London though! Not according to this https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-54324244. Where did you get your figures from? Should that not be "when" did you get your figures from? That article is 1st March... Thank you I was just about to say that I live in a neighbouring Borough, also see the figures on the local news. I live inside the Borough and I haven't seen the carnage the previous poster predicted." Nobody has predicted carnage And if you live in the borough you should know full well the cases are amongst the highest of any London Borough! | |||
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"You stated that "The fact that not everyone is vaccinated makes increases the rate of case growth". How does that relate to what we're seeing in Isreal? The article demonstrates clearly that the most heavily vaccinated country is the world is the world's most infected country. Had it not been vaccinated it would have been carnage. As I have said, Israel hasn't had the restrictions for a while. They have re-introduced some I think. As I also mention, the vaccine reduces transmission rather than prevent. Also, Israel isn't the most vaccinated country in the world. In terms of vaccinations across all age groups, the UK has higher percentage fully vaccinated than Israel. So does Germany, Italy and Portugal. Uptake of the vaccine in various parts of London is extremely low. Boroughs like Tower Hamlets and Hackey stil have incredibly low uptake (have a look at the link below). Why haven't we seen carnage in those areas? I'm genuinely interested. https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/health/hackney-sees-low-vaccine-uptake-8094246 Possibly because London has higher levels of natural immunity and a much younger demographic. Statistically, Londoners are therefore less likely to have be sympathetic or tested." That's actually not true in regards to the 2 boroughs that he has mentioned and secondly London was hit very hard in the 1st and 2nd wave with some of the highest hospital admissions in the country. | |||
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"You stated that "The fact that not everyone is vaccinated makes increases the rate of case growth". How does that relate to what we're seeing in Isreal? The article demonstrates clearly that the most heavily vaccinated country is the world is the world's most infected country. Had it not been vaccinated it would have been carnage. As I have said, Israel hasn't had the restrictions for a while. They have re-introduced some I think. As I also mention, the vaccine reduces transmission rather than prevent. Also, Israel isn't the most vaccinated country in the world. In terms of vaccinations across all age groups, the UK has higher percentage fully vaccinated than Israel. So does Germany, Italy and Portugal. Uptake of the vaccine in various parts of London is extremely low. Boroughs like Tower Hamlets and Hackey stil have incredibly low uptake (have a look at the link below). Why haven't we seen carnage in those areas? I'm genuinely interested. https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/health/hackney-sees-low-vaccine-uptake-8094246 Tower hamlets and Hackney do have some of the highest covid rates in London though! Not according to this https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-54324244. Where did you get your figures from? Should that not be "when" did you get your figures from? That article is 1st March... Thank you I was just about to say that I live in a neighbouring Borough, also see the figures on the local news. I live inside the Borough and I haven't seen the carnage the previous poster predicted. Nobody has predicted carnage And if you live in the borough you should know full well the cases are amongst the highest of any London Borough!" "Had it not been for vaccines there would be carnage" Hungblackbull. He literally said that earlier today. "Highest among any London brough" you say. Im bot disputing your claim but PLEASE provide some evidence for us all to see. We should all be here to learn. | |||
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"You stated that "The fact that not everyone is vaccinated makes increases the rate of case growth". How does that relate to what we're seeing in Isreal? The article demonstrates clearly that the most heavily vaccinated country is the world is the world's most infected country. Had it not been vaccinated it would have been carnage. As I have said, Israel hasn't had the restrictions for a while. They have re-introduced some I think. As I also mention, the vaccine reduces transmission rather than prevent. Also, Israel isn't the most vaccinated country in the world. In terms of vaccinations across all age groups, the UK has higher percentage fully vaccinated than Israel. So does Germany, Italy and Portugal. Uptake of the vaccine in various parts of London is extremely low. Boroughs like Tower Hamlets and Hackey stil have incredibly low uptake (have a look at the link below). Why haven't we seen carnage in those areas? I'm genuinely interested. https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/health/hackney-sees-low-vaccine-uptake-8094246 Tower hamlets and Hackney do have some of the highest covid rates in London though! Not according to this https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-54324244. Where did you get your figures from? Should that not be "when" did you get your figures from? That article is 1st March... Thank you I was just about to say that I live in a neighbouring Borough, also see the figures on the local news. I live inside the Borough and I haven't seen the carnage the previous poster predicted. Nobody has predicted carnage And if you live in the borough you should know full well the cases are amongst the highest of any London Borough! "Had it not been for vaccines there would be carnage" Hungblackbull. He literally said that earlier today. "Highest among any London brough" you say. Im bot disputing your claim but PLEASE provide some evidence for us all to see. We should all be here to learn. " https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/london-boroughs-covid-watchlist-hackney-tower-hamlets-cases-increase-b947388.html?amp | |||
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"You stated that "The fact that not everyone is vaccinated makes increases the rate of case growth". How does that relate to what we're seeing in Isreal? The article demonstrates clearly that the most heavily vaccinated country is the world is the world's most infected country. Had it not been vaccinated it would have been carnage. As I have said, Israel hasn't had the restrictions for a while. They have re-introduced some I think. As I also mention, the vaccine reduces transmission rather than prevent. Also, Israel isn't the most vaccinated country in the world. In terms of vaccinations across all age groups, the UK has higher percentage fully vaccinated than Israel. So does Germany, Italy and Portugal. Uptake of the vaccine in various parts of London is extremely low. Boroughs like Tower Hamlets and Hackey stil have incredibly low uptake (have a look at the link below). Why haven't we seen carnage in those areas? I'm genuinely interested. https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/health/hackney-sees-low-vaccine-uptake-8094246 Tower hamlets and Hackney do have some of the highest covid rates in London though! Not according to this https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-54324244. Where did you get your figures from? Should that not be "when" did you get your figures from? That article is 1st March... Thank you I was just about to say that I live in a neighbouring Borough, also see the figures on the local news. I live inside the Borough and I haven't seen the carnage the previous poster predicted. Nobody has predicted carnage And if you live in the borough you should know full well the cases are amongst the highest of any London Borough! "Had it not been for vaccines there would be carnage" Hungblackbull. He literally said that earlier today. "Highest among any London brough" you say. Im bot disputing your claim but PLEASE provide some evidence for us all to see. We should all be here to learn. " Can you explain why 75% of people under 50 who are in hospital due to COVID are unvaccinated? | |||
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"You stated that "The fact that not everyone is vaccinated makes increases the rate of case growth". How does that relate to what we're seeing in Isreal? The article demonstrates clearly that the most heavily vaccinated country is the world is the world's most infected country. Had it not been vaccinated it would have been carnage. As I have said, Israel hasn't had the restrictions for a while. They have re-introduced some I think. As I also mention, the vaccine reduces transmission rather than prevent. Also, Israel isn't the most vaccinated country in the world. In terms of vaccinations across all age groups, the UK has higher percentage fully vaccinated than Israel. So does Germany, Italy and Portugal. Uptake of the vaccine in various parts of London is extremely low. Boroughs like Tower Hamlets and Hackey stil have incredibly low uptake (have a look at the link below). Why haven't we seen carnage in those areas? I'm genuinely interested. https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/health/hackney-sees-low-vaccine-uptake-8094246 Tower hamlets and Hackney do have some of the highest covid rates in London though! Not according to this https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-54324244. Where did you get your figures from? Should that not be "when" did you get your figures from? That article is 1st March... Thank you I was just about to say that I live in a neighbouring Borough, also see the figures on the local news. I live inside the Borough and I haven't seen the carnage the previous poster predicted. Nobody has predicted carnage And if you live in the borough you should know full well the cases are amongst the highest of any London Borough! "Had it not been for vaccines there would be carnage" Hungblackbull. He literally said that earlier today. "Highest among any London brough" you say. Im bot disputing your claim but PLEASE provide some evidence for us all to see. We should all be here to learn. " Great misquote...I was clearly referring to Israel!!!! | |||
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"You stated that "The fact that not everyone is vaccinated makes increases the rate of case growth". How does that relate to what we're seeing in Isreal? The article demonstrates clearly that the most heavily vaccinated country is the world is the world's most infected country. Had it not been vaccinated it would have been carnage. As I have said, Israel hasn't had the restrictions for a while. They have re-introduced some I think. As I also mention, the vaccine reduces transmission rather than prevent. Also, Israel isn't the most vaccinated country in the world. In terms of vaccinations across all age groups, the UK has higher percentage fully vaccinated than Israel. So does Germany, Italy and Portugal. Uptake of the vaccine in various parts of London is extremely low. Boroughs like Tower Hamlets and Hackey stil have incredibly low uptake (have a look at the link below). Why haven't we seen carnage in those areas? I'm genuinely interested. https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/health/hackney-sees-low-vaccine-uptake-8094246 Tower hamlets and Hackney do have some of the highest covid rates in London though! Not according to this https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-54324244. Where did you get your figures from? Should that not be "when" did you get your figures from? That article is 1st March... Thank you I was just about to say that I live in a neighbouring Borough, also see the figures on the local news. I live inside the Borough and I haven't seen the carnage the previous poster predicted. Nobody has predicted carnage And if you live in the borough you should know full well the cases are amongst the highest of any London Borough! "Had it not been for vaccines there would be carnage" Hungblackbull. He literally said that earlier today. "Highest among any London brough" you say. Im bot disputing your claim but PLEASE provide some evidence for us all to see. We should all be here to learn. https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/london-boroughs-covid-watchlist-hackney-tower-hamlets-cases-increase-b947388.html?amp " That article is based on data from July, vaccination numbers (up) and cases (dropping) are so different now. Go to source ons for daily, monthly changes for each borough | |||
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"You stated that "The fact that not everyone is vaccinated makes increases the rate of case growth". How does that relate to what we're seeing in Isreal? The article demonstrates clearly that the most heavily vaccinated country is the world is the world's most infected country. Had it not been vaccinated it would have been carnage. As I have said, Israel hasn't had the restrictions for a while. They have re-introduced some I think. As I also mention, the vaccine reduces transmission rather than prevent. Also, Israel isn't the most vaccinated country in the world. In terms of vaccinations across all age groups, the UK has higher percentage fully vaccinated than Israel. So does Germany, Italy and Portugal. Uptake of the vaccine in various parts of London is extremely low. Boroughs like Tower Hamlets and Hackey stil have incredibly low uptake (have a look at the link below). Why haven't we seen carnage in those areas? I'm genuinely interested. https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/health/hackney-sees-low-vaccine-uptake-8094246 Tower hamlets and Hackney do have some of the highest covid rates in London though! Not according to this https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-54324244. Where did you get your figures from? Should that not be "when" did you get your figures from? That article is 1st March... Thank you I was just about to say that I live in a neighbouring Borough, also see the figures on the local news. I live inside the Borough and I haven't seen the carnage the previous poster predicted. Nobody has predicted carnage And if you live in the borough you should know full well the cases are amongst the highest of any London Borough! "Had it not been for vaccines there would be carnage" Hungblackbull. He literally said that earlier today. "Highest among any London brough" you say. Im bot disputing your claim but PLEASE provide some evidence for us all to see. We should all be here to learn. https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/london-boroughs-covid-watchlist-hackney-tower-hamlets-cases-increase-b947388.html?amp That article is based on data from July, vaccination numbers (up) and cases (dropping) are so different now. Go to source ons for daily, monthly changes for each borough " Thank you for your advice but I already did and Hackey is still in the top 10 for covid cases out of 22 in London and still has the lowest vaccine take up so my point stands. | |||
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"You stated that "The fact that not everyone is vaccinated makes increases the rate of case growth". How does that relate to what we're seeing in Isreal? The article demonstrates clearly that the most heavily vaccinated country is the world is the world's most infected country. Had it not been vaccinated it would have been carnage. As I have said, Israel hasn't had the restrictions for a while. They have re-introduced some I think. As I also mention, the vaccine reduces transmission rather than prevent. Also, Israel isn't the most vaccinated country in the world. In terms of vaccinations across all age groups, the UK has higher percentage fully vaccinated than Israel. So does Germany, Italy and Portugal. Uptake of the vaccine in various parts of London is extremely low. Boroughs like Tower Hamlets and Hackey stil have incredibly low uptake (have a look at the link below). Why haven't we seen carnage in those areas? I'm genuinely interested. https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/health/hackney-sees-low-vaccine-uptake-8094246 Tower hamlets and Hackney do have some of the highest covid rates in London though! Not according to this https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-54324244. Where did you get your figures from? Should that not be "when" did you get your figures from? That article is 1st March... Thank you I was just about to say that I live in a neighbouring Borough, also see the figures on the local news. I live inside the Borough and I haven't seen the carnage the previous poster predicted. Nobody has predicted carnage And if you live in the borough you should know full well the cases are amongst the highest of any London Borough! "Had it not been for vaccines there would be carnage" Hungblackbull. He literally said that earlier today. "Highest among any London brough" you say. Im bot disputing your claim but PLEASE provide some evidence for us all to see. We should all be here to learn. Great misquote...I was clearly referring to Israel!!!!" Please explain why the situation would be different in this country? | |||
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"Here are two examples from prominent government figures. There are countless others. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/covid-vaccine-events-ban-gove-b1891582.html?amp https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/25/queen-says-her-covid-jab-didnt-hurt-at-all Can you go back and read my response to your comment that "Initially we we told that the vaccines would reduce transmission"? Who told us that?! Certainly not AZ or Pfizer. Your links are about the claims regarding selfish people... " what are you on about they continually tell us the jabs reduce transmission: you only have to type does the covid jab reduce transmission and hundreds of articles pop up including from our own governments website https://www.gov.uk/government/news/one-dose-of-covid-19-vaccine-can-cut-household-transmission-by-up-to-half | |||
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"You stated that "The fact that not everyone is vaccinated makes increases the rate of case growth". How does that relate to what we're seeing in Isreal? The article demonstrates clearly that the most heavily vaccinated country is the world is the world's most infected country. Had it not been vaccinated it would have been carnage. As I have said, Israel hasn't had the restrictions for a while. They have re-introduced some I think. As I also mention, the vaccine reduces transmission rather than prevent. Also, Israel isn't the most vaccinated country in the world. In terms of vaccinations across all age groups, the UK has higher percentage fully vaccinated than Israel. So does Germany, Italy and Portugal. Uptake of the vaccine in various parts of London is extremely low. Boroughs like Tower Hamlets and Hackey stil have incredibly low uptake (have a look at the link below). Why haven't we seen carnage in those areas? I'm genuinely interested. https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/health/hackney-sees-low-vaccine-uptake-8094246 Tower hamlets and Hackney do have some of the highest covid rates in London though! Not according to this https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-54324244. Where did you get your figures from? Should that not be "when" did you get your figures from? That article is 1st March... Thank you I was just about to say that I live in a neighbouring Borough, also see the figures on the local news. I live inside the Borough and I haven't seen the carnage the previous poster predicted. Nobody has predicted carnage And if you live in the borough you should know full well the cases are amongst the highest of any London Borough! "Had it not been for vaccines there would be carnage" Hungblackbull. He literally said that earlier today. "Highest among any London brough" you say. Im bot disputing your claim but PLEASE provide some evidence for us all to see. We should all be here to learn. https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/london-boroughs-covid-watchlist-hackney-tower-hamlets-cases-increase-b947388.html?amp That article is based on data from July, vaccination numbers (up) and cases (dropping) are so different now. Go to source ons for daily, monthly changes for each borough Thank you for your advice but I already did and Hackey is still in the top 10 for covid cases out of 22 in London and still has the lowest vaccine take up so my point stands. " So to clarify Hackey is midtable for case but bottom for uptake. Please explain how your point still stands? | |||
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"Here are two examples from prominent government figures. There are countless others. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/covid-vaccine-events-ban-gove-b1891582.html?amp https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/25/queen-says-her-covid-jab-didnt-hurt-at-all Can you go back and read my response to your comment that "Initially we we told that the vaccines would reduce transmission"? Who told us that?! Certainly not AZ or Pfizer. Your links are about the claims regarding selfish people... what are you on about they continually tell us the jabs reduce transmission: you only have to type does the covid jab reduce transmission and hundreds of articles pop up including from our own governments website https://www.gov.uk/government/news/one-dose-of-covid-19-vaccine-can-cut-household-transmission-by-up-to-half" Exactly! Thanks for proving the link | |||
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"You stated that "The fact that not everyone is vaccinated makes increases the rate of case growth". How does that relate to what we're seeing in Isreal? The article demonstrates clearly that the most heavily vaccinated country is the world is the world's most infected country. Had it not been vaccinated it would have been carnage. As I have said, Israel hasn't had the restrictions for a while. They have re-introduced some I think. As I also mention, the vaccine reduces transmission rather than prevent. Also, Israel isn't the most vaccinated country in the world. In terms of vaccinations across all age groups, the UK has higher percentage fully vaccinated than Israel. So does Germany, Italy and Portugal. Uptake of the vaccine in various parts of London is extremely low. Boroughs like Tower Hamlets and Hackey stil have incredibly low uptake (have a look at the link below). Why haven't we seen carnage in those areas? I'm genuinely interested. https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/health/hackney-sees-low-vaccine-uptake-8094246 Tower hamlets and Hackney do have some of the highest covid rates in London though! Not according to this https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-54324244. Where did you get your figures from? Should that not be "when" did you get your figures from? That article is 1st March... Thank you I was just about to say that I live in a neighbouring Borough, also see the figures on the local news. I live inside the Borough and I haven't seen the carnage the previous poster predicted. Nobody has predicted carnage And if you live in the borough you should know full well the cases are amongst the highest of any London Borough! "Had it not been for vaccines there would be carnage" Hungblackbull. He literally said that earlier today. "Highest among any London brough" you say. Im bot disputing your claim but PLEASE provide some evidence for us all to see. We should all be here to learn. https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/london-boroughs-covid-watchlist-hackney-tower-hamlets-cases-increase-b947388.html?amp That article is based on data from July, vaccination numbers (up) and cases (dropping) are so different now. Go to source ons for daily, monthly changes for each borough Thank you for your advice but I already did and Hackey is still in the top 10 for covid cases out of 22 in London and still has the lowest vaccine take up so my point stands. So to clarify Hackey is midtable for case but bottom for uptake. Please explain how your point still stands?" Because it is more than mid table and secondly I never said it was the highest I said it was among the highest and it is. You May not want to believe there is a correlation between not being vaccinated and more likely to end up in hospital but all the evidence Proves otherwise. | |||
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"You stated that "The fact that not everyone is vaccinated makes increases the rate of case growth". How does that relate to what we're seeing in Isreal? The article demonstrates clearly that the most heavily vaccinated country is the world is the world's most infected country. Had it not been vaccinated it would have been carnage. As I have said, Israel hasn't had the restrictions for a while. They have re-introduced some I think. As I also mention, the vaccine reduces transmission rather than prevent. Also, Israel isn't the most vaccinated country in the world. In terms of vaccinations across all age groups, the UK has higher percentage fully vaccinated than Israel. So does Germany, Italy and Portugal. Uptake of the vaccine in various parts of London is extremely low. Boroughs like Tower Hamlets and Hackey stil have incredibly low uptake (have a look at the link below). Why haven't we seen carnage in those areas? I'm genuinely interested. https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/health/hackney-sees-low-vaccine-uptake-8094246 Tower hamlets and Hackney do have some of the highest covid rates in London though! Not according to this https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-54324244. Where did you get your figures from? Should that not be "when" did you get your figures from? That article is 1st March... Thank you I was just about to say that I live in a neighbouring Borough, also see the figures on the local news. I live inside the Borough and I haven't seen the carnage the previous poster predicted. Nobody has predicted carnage And if you live in the borough you should know full well the cases are amongst the highest of any London Borough! "Had it not been for vaccines there would be carnage" Hungblackbull. He literally said that earlier today. "Highest among any London brough" you say. Im bot disputing your claim but PLEASE provide some evidence for us all to see. We should all be here to learn. Great misquote...I was clearly referring to Israel!!!! Please explain why the situation would be different in this country?" Can you explain why 75% of people under 50 (in the UK) who are in hospital due to COVID are unvaccinated? | |||
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"You stated that "The fact that not everyone is vaccinated makes increases the rate of case growth". How does that relate to what we're seeing in Isreal? The article demonstrates clearly that the most heavily vaccinated country is the world is the world's most infected country. Had it not been vaccinated it would have been carnage. As I have said, Israel hasn't had the restrictions for a while. They have re-introduced some I think. As I also mention, the vaccine reduces transmission rather than prevent. Also, Israel isn't the most vaccinated country in the world. In terms of vaccinations across all age groups, the UK has higher percentage fully vaccinated than Israel. So does Germany, Italy and Portugal. Uptake of the vaccine in various parts of London is extremely low. Boroughs like Tower Hamlets and Hackey stil have incredibly low uptake (have a look at the link below). Why haven't we seen carnage in those areas? I'm genuinely interested. https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/health/hackney-sees-low-vaccine-uptake-8094246 Tower hamlets and Hackney do have some of the highest covid rates in London though! Not according to this https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-54324244. Where did you get your figures from? Should that not be "when" did you get your figures from? That article is 1st March... Thank you I was just about to say that I live in a neighbouring Borough, also see the figures on the local news. I live inside the Borough and I haven't seen the carnage the previous poster predicted. Nobody has predicted carnage And if you live in the borough you should know full well the cases are amongst the highest of any London Borough! "Had it not been for vaccines there would be carnage" Hungblackbull. He literally said that earlier today. "Highest among any London brough" you say. Im bot disputing your claim but PLEASE provide some evidence for us all to see. We should all be here to learn. Great misquote...I was clearly referring to Israel!!!! Please explain why the situation would be different in this country? Can you explain why 75% of people under 50 (in the UK) who are in hospital due to COVID are unvaccinated?" that’s a very small number of people to choose from as 89% of the population over 16 are at least single jabbed | |||
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"You stated that "The fact that not everyone is vaccinated makes increases the rate of case growth". How does that relate to what we're seeing in Isreal? The article demonstrates clearly that the most heavily vaccinated country is the world is the world's most infected country. Had it not been vaccinated it would have been carnage. As I have said, Israel hasn't had the restrictions for a while. They have re-introduced some I think. As I also mention, the vaccine reduces transmission rather than prevent. Also, Israel isn't the most vaccinated country in the world. In terms of vaccinations across all age groups, the UK has higher percentage fully vaccinated than Israel. So does Germany, Italy and Portugal. Uptake of the vaccine in various parts of London is extremely low. Boroughs like Tower Hamlets and Hackey stil have incredibly low uptake (have a look at the link below). Why haven't we seen carnage in those areas? I'm genuinely interested. https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/health/hackney-sees-low-vaccine-uptake-8094246 Tower hamlets and Hackney do have some of the highest covid rates in London though! Not according to this https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-54324244. Where did you get your figures from? Should that not be "when" did you get your figures from? That article is 1st March... Thank you I was just about to say that I live in a neighbouring Borough, also see the figures on the local news. I live inside the Borough and I haven't seen the carnage the previous poster predicted. Nobody has predicted carnage And if you live in the borough you should know full well the cases are amongst the highest of any London Borough! "Had it not been for vaccines there would be carnage" Hungblackbull. He literally said that earlier today. "Highest among any London brough" you say. Im bot disputing your claim but PLEASE provide some evidence for us all to see. We should all be here to learn. Great misquote...I was clearly referring to Israel!!!! Please explain why the situation would be different in this country? Can you explain why 75% of people under 50 (in the UK) who are in hospital due to COVID are unvaccinated? that’s a very small number of people to choose from as 89% of the population over 16 are at least single jabbed " sorry 88.6% to be precise | |||
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"You stated that "The fact that not everyone is vaccinated makes increases the rate of case growth". How does that relate to what we're seeing in Isreal? The article demonstrates clearly that the most heavily vaccinated country is the world is the world's most infected country. Had it not been vaccinated it would have been carnage. As I have said, Israel hasn't had the restrictions for a while. They have re-introduced some I think. As I also mention, the vaccine reduces transmission rather than prevent. Also, Israel isn't the most vaccinated country in the world. In terms of vaccinations across all age groups, the UK has higher percentage fully vaccinated than Israel. So does Germany, Italy and Portugal. Uptake of the vaccine in various parts of London is extremely low. Boroughs like Tower Hamlets and Hackey stil have incredibly low uptake (have a look at the link below). Why haven't we seen carnage in those areas? I'm genuinely interested. https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/health/hackney-sees-low-vaccine-uptake-8094246 Tower hamlets and Hackney do have some of the highest covid rates in London though! Not according to this https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-54324244. Where did you get your figures from? Should that not be "when" did you get your figures from? That article is 1st March... Thank you I was just about to say that I live in a neighbouring Borough, also see the figures on the local news. I live inside the Borough and I haven't seen the carnage the previous poster predicted. Nobody has predicted carnage And if you live in the borough you should know full well the cases are amongst the highest of any London Borough! "Had it not been for vaccines there would be carnage" Hungblackbull. He literally said that earlier today. "Highest among any London brough" you say. Im bot disputing your claim but PLEASE provide some evidence for us all to see. We should all be here to learn. Great misquote...I was clearly referring to Israel!!!! Please explain why the situation would be different in this country? Can you explain why 75% of people under 50 (in the UK) who are in hospital due to COVID are unvaccinated? that’s a very small number of people to choose from as 89% of the population over 16 are at least single jabbed " But doesn't that prove the point that you are much more likely to end up in hospital if you haven't had even a single dose? | |||
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"You stated that "The fact that not everyone is vaccinated makes increases the rate of case growth". How does that relate to what we're seeing in Isreal? The article demonstrates clearly that the most heavily vaccinated country is the world is the world's most infected country. Had it not been vaccinated it would have been carnage. As I have said, Israel hasn't had the restrictions for a while. They have re-introduced some I think. As I also mention, the vaccine reduces transmission rather than prevent. Also, Israel isn't the most vaccinated country in the world. In terms of vaccinations across all age groups, the UK has higher percentage fully vaccinated than Israel. So does Germany, Italy and Portugal. Uptake of the vaccine in various parts of London is extremely low. Boroughs like Tower Hamlets and Hackey stil have incredibly low uptake (have a look at the link below). Why haven't we seen carnage in those areas? I'm genuinely interested. https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/health/hackney-sees-low-vaccine-uptake-8094246 Tower hamlets and Hackney do have some of the highest covid rates in London though! Not according to this https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-54324244. Where did you get your figures from? Should that not be "when" did you get your figures from? That article is 1st March... Thank you I was just about to say that I live in a neighbouring Borough, also see the figures on the local news. I live inside the Borough and I haven't seen the carnage the previous poster predicted. Nobody has predicted carnage And if you live in the borough you should know full well the cases are amongst the highest of any London Borough! "Had it not been for vaccines there would be carnage" Hungblackbull. He literally said that earlier today. "Highest among any London brough" you say. Im bot disputing your claim but PLEASE provide some evidence for us all to see. We should all be here to learn. Great misquote...I was clearly referring to Israel!!!! Please explain why the situation would be different in this country? Can you explain why 75% of people under 50 (in the UK) who are in hospital due to COVID are unvaccinated? that’s a very small number of people to choose from as 89% of the population over 16 are at least single jabbed But doesn't that prove the point that you are much more likely to end up in hospital if you haven't had even a single dose?" not really that figure could have been the same either way. I cannot find the evidence either to support the argument that 75% of the people in hospital under 50 are unjabbed that could mean there’s only 4 people in hospital with covid under 50 and 3 of them are unjabbed. Who knows what reason those 3 may have for not having been jabbed ??? | |||
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"You stated that "The fact that not everyone is vaccinated makes increases the rate of case growth". How does that relate to what we're seeing in Isreal? The article demonstrates clearly that the most heavily vaccinated country is the world is the world's most infected country. Had it not been vaccinated it would have been carnage. As I have said, Israel hasn't had the restrictions for a while. They have re-introduced some I think. As I also mention, the vaccine reduces transmission rather than prevent. Also, Israel isn't the most vaccinated country in the world. In terms of vaccinations across all age groups, the UK has higher percentage fully vaccinated than Israel. So does Germany, Italy and Portugal. Uptake of the vaccine in various parts of London is extremely low. Boroughs like Tower Hamlets and Hackey stil have incredibly low uptake (have a look at the link below). Why haven't we seen carnage in those areas? I'm genuinely interested. https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/health/hackney-sees-low-vaccine-uptake-8094246 Tower hamlets and Hackney do have some of the highest covid rates in London though! Not according to this https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-54324244. Where did you get your figures from? Should that not be "when" did you get your figures from? That article is 1st March... Thank you I was just about to say that I live in a neighbouring Borough, also see the figures on the local news. I live inside the Borough and I haven't seen the carnage the previous poster predicted. Nobody has predicted carnage And if you live in the borough you should know full well the cases are amongst the highest of any London Borough! "Had it not been for vaccines there would be carnage" Hungblackbull. He literally said that earlier today. "Highest among any London brough" you say. Im bot disputing your claim but PLEASE provide some evidence for us all to see. We should all be here to learn. Great misquote...I was clearly referring to Israel!!!! Please explain why the situation would be different in this country? Can you explain why 75% of people under 50 (in the UK) who are in hospital due to COVID are unvaccinated? that’s a very small number of people to choose from as 89% of the population over 16 are at least single jabbed " Exactly | |||
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"You stated that "The fact that not everyone is vaccinated makes increases the rate of case growth". How does that relate to what we're seeing in Isreal? The article demonstrates clearly that the most heavily vaccinated country is the world is the world's most infected country. Had it not been vaccinated it would have been carnage. As I have said, Israel hasn't had the restrictions for a while. They have re-introduced some I think. As I also mention, the vaccine reduces transmission rather than prevent. Also, Israel isn't the most vaccinated country in the world. In terms of vaccinations across all age groups, the UK has higher percentage fully vaccinated than Israel. So does Germany, Italy and Portugal. Uptake of the vaccine in various parts of London is extremely low. Boroughs like Tower Hamlets and Hackey stil have incredibly low uptake (have a look at the link below). Why haven't we seen carnage in those areas? I'm genuinely interested. https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/health/hackney-sees-low-vaccine-uptake-8094246 Tower hamlets and Hackney do have some of the highest covid rates in London though! Not according to this https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-54324244. Where did you get your figures from? Should that not be "when" did you get your figures from? That article is 1st March... Thank you I was just about to say that I live in a neighbouring Borough, also see the figures on the local news. I live inside the Borough and I haven't seen the carnage the previous poster predicted. Nobody has predicted carnage And if you live in the borough you should know full well the cases are amongst the highest of any London Borough! "Had it not been for vaccines there would be carnage" Hungblackbull. He literally said that earlier today. "Highest among any London brough" you say. Im bot disputing your claim but PLEASE provide some evidence for us all to see. We should all be here to learn. Great misquote...I was clearly referring to Israel!!!! Please explain why the situation would be different in this country? Can you explain why 75% of people under 50 (in the UK) who are in hospital due to COVID are unvaccinated? that’s a very small number of people to choose from as 89% of the population over 16 are at least single jabbed But doesn't that prove the point that you are much more likely to end up in hospital if you haven't had even a single dose? not really that figure could have been the same either way. I cannot find the evidence either to support the argument that 75% of the people in hospital under 50 are unjabbed that could mean there’s only 4 people in hospital with covid under 50 and 3 of them are unjabbed. Who knows what reason those 3 may have for not having been jabbed ???" The figure isn’t the same ‘either way’ what it proves is that you are far more likely to end up in hospital with covid if you aren’t vaccinated | |||
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"You stated that "The fact that not everyone is vaccinated makes increases the rate of case growth". How does that relate to what we're seeing in Isreal? The article demonstrates clearly that the most heavily vaccinated country is the world is the world's most infected country. Had it not been vaccinated it would have been carnage. As I have said, Israel hasn't had the restrictions for a while. They have re-introduced some I think. As I also mention, the vaccine reduces transmission rather than prevent. Also, Israel isn't the most vaccinated country in the world. In terms of vaccinations across all age groups, the UK has higher percentage fully vaccinated than Israel. So does Germany, Italy and Portugal. Uptake of the vaccine in various parts of London is extremely low. Boroughs like Tower Hamlets and Hackey stil have incredibly low uptake (have a look at the link below). Why haven't we seen carnage in those areas? I'm genuinely interested. https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/health/hackney-sees-low-vaccine-uptake-8094246 Tower hamlets and Hackney do have some of the highest covid rates in London though! Not according to this https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-54324244. Where did you get your figures from? Should that not be "when" did you get your figures from? That article is 1st March... Thank you I was just about to say that I live in a neighbouring Borough, also see the figures on the local news. I live inside the Borough and I haven't seen the carnage the previous poster predicted. Nobody has predicted carnage And if you live in the borough you should know full well the cases are amongst the highest of any London Borough! "Had it not been for vaccines there would be carnage" Hungblackbull. He literally said that earlier today. "Highest among any London brough" you say. Im bot disputing your claim but PLEASE provide some evidence for us all to see. We should all be here to learn. Great misquote...I was clearly referring to Israel!!!! Please explain why the situation would be different in this country? Can you explain why 75% of people under 50 (in the UK) who are in hospital due to COVID are unvaccinated? that’s a very small number of people to choose from as 89% of the population over 16 are at least single jabbed But doesn't that prove the point that you are much more likely to end up in hospital if you haven't had even a single dose? not really that figure could have been the same either way. I cannot find the evidence either to support the argument that 75% of the people in hospital under 50 are unjabbed that could mean there’s only 4 people in hospital with covid under 50 and 3 of them are unjabbed. Who knows what reason those 3 may have for not having been jabbed ??? The figure isn’t the same ‘either way’ what it proves is that you are far more likely to end up in hospital with covid if you aren’t vaccinated " but it doesn’t does it. With out actual numbers that % and age means nothing at all. It’s like saying 75% of people asked under 50shop at Tesco’s. Well how many people did you ask. There is absolutely nothing you can use that % to prove | |||
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"You stated that "The fact that not everyone is vaccinated makes increases the rate of case growth". How does that relate to what we're seeing in Isreal? The article demonstrates clearly that the most heavily vaccinated country is the world is the world's most infected country. Had it not been vaccinated it would have been carnage. As I have said, Israel hasn't had the restrictions for a while. They have re-introduced some I think. As I also mention, the vaccine reduces transmission rather than prevent. Also, Israel isn't the most vaccinated country in the world. In terms of vaccinations across all age groups, the UK has higher percentage fully vaccinated than Israel. So does Germany, Italy and Portugal. Uptake of the vaccine in various parts of London is extremely low. Boroughs like Tower Hamlets and Hackey stil have incredibly low uptake (have a look at the link below). Why haven't we seen carnage in those areas? I'm genuinely interested. https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/health/hackney-sees-low-vaccine-uptake-8094246 Tower hamlets and Hackney do have some of the highest covid rates in London though! Not according to this https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-54324244. Where did you get your figures from? Should that not be "when" did you get your figures from? That article is 1st March... Thank you I was just about to say that I live in a neighbouring Borough, also see the figures on the local news. I live inside the Borough and I haven't seen the carnage the previous poster predicted. Nobody has predicted carnage And if you live in the borough you should know full well the cases are amongst the highest of any London Borough! "Had it not been for vaccines there would be carnage" Hungblackbull. He literally said that earlier today. "Highest among any London brough" you say. Im bot disputing your claim but PLEASE provide some evidence for us all to see. We should all be here to learn. https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/london-boroughs-covid-watchlist-hackney-tower-hamlets-cases-increase-b947388.html?amp That article is based on data from July, vaccination numbers (up) and cases (dropping) are so different now. Go to source ons for daily, monthly changes for each borough Thank you for your advice but I already did and Hackey is still in the top 10 for covid cases out of 22 in London and still has the lowest vaccine take up so my point stands. So to clarify Hackey is midtable for case but bottom for uptake. Please explain how your point still stands? Because it is more than mid table and secondly I never said it was the highest I said it was among the highest and it is. You May not want to believe there is a correlation between not being vaccinated and more likely to end up in hospital but all the evidence Proves otherwise. " Just above mid table lol. Not the carnage the gentleman mentioned earlier. Uptake in London is relatively low https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/06/third-adults-unvaccinated-parts-london-data-shows-covid. However most Hotspots are outside London https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/20/covid-uk-coronavirus-cases-deaths-and-vaccinations-today. Where's your evidence for this correction? | |||
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"You stated that "The fact that not everyone is vaccinated makes increases the rate of case growth". How does that relate to what we're seeing in Isreal? The article demonstrates clearly that the most heavily vaccinated country is the world is the world's most infected country. Had it not been vaccinated it would have been carnage. As I have said, Israel hasn't had the restrictions for a while. They have re-introduced some I think. As I also mention, the vaccine reduces transmission rather than prevent. Also, Israel isn't the most vaccinated country in the world. In terms of vaccinations across all age groups, the UK has higher percentage fully vaccinated than Israel. So does Germany, Italy and Portugal. Uptake of the vaccine in various parts of London is extremely low. Boroughs like Tower Hamlets and Hackey stil have incredibly low uptake (have a look at the link below). Why haven't we seen carnage in those areas? I'm genuinely interested. https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/health/hackney-sees-low-vaccine-uptake-8094246 Tower hamlets and Hackney do have some of the highest covid rates in London though! Not according to this https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-54324244. Where did you get your figures from? Should that not be "when" did you get your figures from? That article is 1st March... Thank you I was just about to say that I live in a neighbouring Borough, also see the figures on the local news. I live inside the Borough and I haven't seen the carnage the previous poster predicted. Nobody has predicted carnage And if you live in the borough you should know full well the cases are amongst the highest of any London Borough! "Had it not been for vaccines there would be carnage" Hungblackbull. He literally said that earlier today. "Highest among any London brough" you say. Im bot disputing your claim but PLEASE provide some evidence for us all to see. We should all be here to learn. Great misquote...I was clearly referring to Israel!!!! Please explain why the situation would be different in this country? Can you explain why 75% of people under 50 (in the UK) who are in hospital due to COVID are unvaccinated? that’s a very small number of people to choose from as 89% of the population over 16 are at least single jabbed But doesn't that prove the point that you are much more likely to end up in hospital if you haven't had even a single dose? not really that figure could have been the same either way. I cannot find the evidence either to support the argument that 75% of the people in hospital under 50 are unjabbed that could mean there’s only 4 people in hospital with covid under 50 and 3 of them are unjabbed. Who knows what reason those 3 may have for not having been jabbed ??? The figure isn’t the same ‘either way’ what it proves is that you are far more likely to end up in hospital with covid if you aren’t vaccinated but it doesn’t does it. With out actual numbers that % and age means nothing at all. It’s like saying 75% of people asked under 50shop at Tesco’s. Well how many people did you ask. There is absolutely nothing you can use that % to prove " It’s based on hospital admission for COVID, very simple to understand? | |||
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"You stated that "The fact that not everyone is vaccinated makes increases the rate of case growth". How does that relate to what we're seeing in Isreal? The article demonstrates clearly that the most heavily vaccinated country is the world is the world's most infected country. Had it not been vaccinated it would have been carnage. As I have said, Israel hasn't had the restrictions for a while. They have re-introduced some I think. As I also mention, the vaccine reduces transmission rather than prevent. Also, Israel isn't the most vaccinated country in the world. In terms of vaccinations across all age groups, the UK has higher percentage fully vaccinated than Israel. So does Germany, Italy and Portugal. Uptake of the vaccine in various parts of London is extremely low. Boroughs like Tower Hamlets and Hackey stil have incredibly low uptake (have a look at the link below). Why haven't we seen carnage in those areas? I'm genuinely interested. https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/health/hackney-sees-low-vaccine-uptake-8094246 Tower hamlets and Hackney do have some of the highest covid rates in London though! Not according to this https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-54324244. Where did you get your figures from? Should that not be "when" did you get your figures from? That article is 1st March... Thank you I was just about to say that I live in a neighbouring Borough, also see the figures on the local news. I live inside the Borough and I haven't seen the carnage the previous poster predicted. Nobody has predicted carnage And if you live in the borough you should know full well the cases are amongst the highest of any London Borough! "Had it not been for vaccines there would be carnage" Hungblackbull. He literally said that earlier today. "Highest among any London brough" you say. Im bot disputing your claim but PLEASE provide some evidence for us all to see. We should all be here to learn. Great misquote...I was clearly referring to Israel!!!! Please explain why the situation would be different in this country? Can you explain why 75% of people under 50 (in the UK) who are in hospital due to COVID are unvaccinated? that’s a very small number of people to choose from as 89% of the population over 16 are at least single jabbed But doesn't that prove the point that you are much more likely to end up in hospital if you haven't had even a single dose? not really that figure could have been the same either way. I cannot find the evidence either to support the argument that 75% of the people in hospital under 50 are unjabbed that could mean there’s only 4 people in hospital with covid under 50 and 3 of them are unjabbed. Who knows what reason those 3 may have for not having been jabbed ??? The figure isn’t the same ‘either way’ what it proves is that you are far more likely to end up in hospital with covid if you aren’t vaccinated but it doesn’t does it. With out actual numbers that % and age means nothing at all. It’s like saying 75% of people asked under 50shop at Tesco’s. Well how many people did you ask. There is absolutely nothing you can use that % to prove It’s based on hospital admission for COVID, very simple to understand? " it is yes so please can I have a break down of the number of people in hospital by age range in ten year spaces from 16 upwards to 96. And for each age range can I please have the number for those who are unvaccinated. Then I can work out exactly what 75% of the unvaccinated under 50s is. Than you. This is as I mentioned becaus just giving a % with out a number is Usles. | |||
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"You stated that "The fact that not everyone is vaccinated makes increases the rate of case growth". How does that relate to what we're seeing in Isreal? The article demonstrates clearly that the most heavily vaccinated country is the world is the world's most infected country. Had it not been vaccinated it would have been carnage. As I have said, Israel hasn't had the restrictions for a while. They have re-introduced some I think. As I also mention, the vaccine reduces transmission rather than prevent. Also, Israel isn't the most vaccinated country in the world. In terms of vaccinations across all age groups, the UK has higher percentage fully vaccinated than Israel. So does Germany, Italy and Portugal. Uptake of the vaccine in various parts of London is extremely low. Boroughs like Tower Hamlets and Hackey stil have incredibly low uptake (have a look at the link below). Why haven't we seen carnage in those areas? I'm genuinely interested. https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/health/hackney-sees-low-vaccine-uptake-8094246 Tower hamlets and Hackney do have some of the highest covid rates in London though! Not according to this https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-54324244. Where did you get your figures from? Should that not be "when" did you get your figures from? That article is 1st March... Thank you I was just about to say that I live in a neighbouring Borough, also see the figures on the local news. I live inside the Borough and I haven't seen the carnage the previous poster predicted. Nobody has predicted carnage And if you live in the borough you should know full well the cases are amongst the highest of any London Borough! "Had it not been for vaccines there would be carnage" Hungblackbull. He literally said that earlier today. "Highest among any London brough" you say. Im bot disputing your claim but PLEASE provide some evidence for us all to see. We should all be here to learn. Great misquote...I was clearly referring to Israel!!!! Please explain why the situation would be different in this country? Can you explain why 75% of people under 50 (in the UK) who are in hospital due to COVID are unvaccinated? that’s a very small number of people to choose from as 89% of the population over 16 are at least single jabbed But doesn't that prove the point that you are much more likely to end up in hospital if you haven't had even a single dose? not really that figure could have been the same either way. I cannot find the evidence either to support the argument that 75% of the people in hospital under 50 are unjabbed that could mean there’s only 4 people in hospital with covid under 50 and 3 of them are unjabbed. Who knows what reason those 3 may have for not having been jabbed ???" It doesn't matter what their reasons are and it doesn't matter if it's only four people and 3 of them haven't had the vaccine it's still proves the point that you are more likely to end up in hospital if you haven't had the vaccine. | |||
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"You stated that "The fact that not everyone is vaccinated makes increases the rate of case growth". How does that relate to what we're seeing in Isreal? The article demonstrates clearly that the most heavily vaccinated country is the world is the world's most infected country. Had it not been vaccinated it would have been carnage. As I have said, Israel hasn't had the restrictions for a while. They have re-introduced some I think. As I also mention, the vaccine reduces transmission rather than prevent. Also, Israel isn't the most vaccinated country in the world. In terms of vaccinations across all age groups, the UK has higher percentage fully vaccinated than Israel. So does Germany, Italy and Portugal. Uptake of the vaccine in various parts of London is extremely low. Boroughs like Tower Hamlets and Hackey stil have incredibly low uptake (have a look at the link below). Why haven't we seen carnage in those areas? I'm genuinely interested. https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/health/hackney-sees-low-vaccine-uptake-8094246 Tower hamlets and Hackney do have some of the highest covid rates in London though! Not according to this https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-54324244. Where did you get your figures from? Should that not be "when" did you get your figures from? That article is 1st March... Thank you I was just about to say that I live in a neighbouring Borough, also see the figures on the local news. I live inside the Borough and I haven't seen the carnage the previous poster predicted. Nobody has predicted carnage And if you live in the borough you should know full well the cases are amongst the highest of any London Borough! "Had it not been for vaccines there would be carnage" Hungblackbull. He literally said that earlier today. "Highest among any London brough" you say. Im bot disputing your claim but PLEASE provide some evidence for us all to see. We should all be here to learn. Great misquote...I was clearly referring to Israel!!!! Please explain why the situation would be different in this country?" Israel opened up 6 weeks before our "freedom Day". It's not rocket science... | |||
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"You stated that "The fact that not everyone is vaccinated makes increases the rate of case growth". How does that relate to what we're seeing in Isreal? The article demonstrates clearly that the most heavily vaccinated country is the world is the world's most infected country. Had it not been vaccinated it would have been carnage. As I have said, Israel hasn't had the restrictions for a while. They have re-introduced some I think. As I also mention, the vaccine reduces transmission rather than prevent. Also, Israel isn't the most vaccinated country in the world. In terms of vaccinations across all age groups, the UK has higher percentage fully vaccinated than Israel. So does Germany, Italy and Portugal. Uptake of the vaccine in various parts of London is extremely low. Boroughs like Tower Hamlets and Hackey stil have incredibly low uptake (have a look at the link below). Why haven't we seen carnage in those areas? I'm genuinely interested. https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/health/hackney-sees-low-vaccine-uptake-8094246 Tower hamlets and Hackney do have some of the highest covid rates in London though! Not according to this https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-54324244. Where did you get your figures from? Should that not be "when" did you get your figures from? That article is 1st March... Thank you I was just about to say that I live in a neighbouring Borough, also see the figures on the local news. I live inside the Borough and I haven't seen the carnage the previous poster predicted. Nobody has predicted carnage And if you live in the borough you should know full well the cases are amongst the highest of any London Borough! "Had it not been for vaccines there would be carnage" Hungblackbull. He literally said that earlier today. "Highest among any London brough" you say. Im bot disputing your claim but PLEASE provide some evidence for us all to see. We should all be here to learn. Great misquote...I was clearly referring to Israel!!!! Please explain why the situation would be different in this country? Can you explain why 75% of people under 50 (in the UK) who are in hospital due to COVID are unvaccinated? that’s a very small number of people to choose from as 89% of the population over 16 are at least single jabbed But doesn't that prove the point that you are much more likely to end up in hospital if you haven't had even a single dose? not really that figure could have been the same either way. I cannot find the evidence either to support the argument that 75% of the people in hospital under 50 are unjabbed that could mean there’s only 4 people in hospital with covid under 50 and 3 of them are unjabbed. Who knows what reason those 3 may have for not having been jabbed ??? The figure isn’t the same ‘either way’ what it proves is that you are far more likely to end up in hospital with covid if you aren’t vaccinated but it doesn’t does it. With out actual numbers that % and age means nothing at all. It’s like saying 75% of people asked under 50shop at Tesco’s. Well how many people did you ask. There is absolutely nothing you can use that % to prove It’s based on hospital admission for COVID, very simple to understand? it is yes so please can I have a break down of the number of people in hospital by age range in ten year spaces from 16 upwards to 96. And for each age range can I please have the number for those who are unvaccinated. Then I can work out exactly what 75% of the unvaccinated under 50s is. Than you. This is as I mentioned becaus just giving a % with out a number is Usles. " I don’t have the numbers and I am sure you know how to use google? If you are under 50 and unvaccinated you are 3 times more likely to end up in hospital than a person who is vaccinated? I assume that you aren’t vaccinated and don’t think the vaccines are effective | |||
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"You stated that "The fact that not everyone is vaccinated makes increases the rate of case growth". How does that relate to what we're seeing in Isreal? The article demonstrates clearly that the most heavily vaccinated country is the world is the world's most infected country. Had it not been vaccinated it would have been carnage. As I have said, Israel hasn't had the restrictions for a while. They have re-introduced some I think. As I also mention, the vaccine reduces transmission rather than prevent. Also, Israel isn't the most vaccinated country in the world. In terms of vaccinations across all age groups, the UK has higher percentage fully vaccinated than Israel. So does Germany, Italy and Portugal. Uptake of the vaccine in various parts of London is extremely low. Boroughs like Tower Hamlets and Hackey stil have incredibly low uptake (have a look at the link below). Why haven't we seen carnage in those areas? I'm genuinely interested. https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/health/hackney-sees-low-vaccine-uptake-8094246 Tower hamlets and Hackney do have some of the highest covid rates in London though! Not according to this https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-54324244. Where did you get your figures from? Should that not be "when" did you get your figures from? That article is 1st March... Thank you I was just about to say that I live in a neighbouring Borough, also see the figures on the local news. I live inside the Borough and I haven't seen the carnage the previous poster predicted. Nobody has predicted carnage And if you live in the borough you should know full well the cases are amongst the highest of any London Borough! "Had it not been for vaccines there would be carnage" Hungblackbull. He literally said that earlier today. "Highest among any London brough" you say. Im bot disputing your claim but PLEASE provide some evidence for us all to see. We should all be here to learn. Great misquote...I was clearly referring to Israel!!!! Please explain why the situation would be different in this country? Can you explain why 75% of people under 50 (in the UK) who are in hospital due to COVID are unvaccinated? that’s a very small number of people to choose from as 89% of the population over 16 are at least single jabbed But doesn't that prove the point that you are much more likely to end up in hospital if you haven't had even a single dose? not really that figure could have been the same either way. I cannot find the evidence either to support the argument that 75% of the people in hospital under 50 are unjabbed that could mean there’s only 4 people in hospital with covid under 50 and 3 of them are unjabbed. Who knows what reason those 3 may have for not having been jabbed ??? It doesn't matter what their reasons are and it doesn't matter if it's only four people and 3 of them haven't had the vaccine it's still proves the point that you are more likely to end up in hospital if you haven't had the vaccine. " I’m sorry but it does not those 3 people may not have had the vaccine due to underlying health conditions which prevent them from having it but also increase their chances of falling seriously ill and requiring hopital treatment ( which I may add could be just for 24hrs ). What I’m say is with out all the figures and information throwing out a 75% figure when 89% of the adult population is at least single jabbed is pointless. Imagibe going for a business loan and saying 75% of people I asked want my product without stating how many people you asked you’d be laughed at | |||
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"You stated that "The fact that not everyone is vaccinated makes increases the rate of case growth". How does that relate to what we're seeing in Isreal? The article demonstrates clearly that the most heavily vaccinated country is the world is the world's most infected country. Had it not been vaccinated it would have been carnage. As I have said, Israel hasn't had the restrictions for a while. They have re-introduced some I think. As I also mention, the vaccine reduces transmission rather than prevent. Also, Israel isn't the most vaccinated country in the world. In terms of vaccinations across all age groups, the UK has higher percentage fully vaccinated than Israel. So does Germany, Italy and Portugal. Uptake of the vaccine in various parts of London is extremely low. Boroughs like Tower Hamlets and Hackey stil have incredibly low uptake (have a look at the link below). Why haven't we seen carnage in those areas? I'm genuinely interested. https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/health/hackney-sees-low-vaccine-uptake-8094246 Tower hamlets and Hackney do have some of the highest covid rates in London though! Not according to this https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-54324244. Where did you get your figures from? Should that not be "when" did you get your figures from? That article is 1st March... Thank you I was just about to say that I live in a neighbouring Borough, also see the figures on the local news. I live inside the Borough and I haven't seen the carnage the previous poster predicted. Nobody has predicted carnage And if you live in the borough you should know full well the cases are amongst the highest of any London Borough! "Had it not been for vaccines there would be carnage" Hungblackbull. He literally said that earlier today. "Highest among any London brough" you say. Im bot disputing your claim but PLEASE provide some evidence for us all to see. We should all be here to learn. Great misquote...I was clearly referring to Israel!!!! Please explain why the situation would be different in this country? Can you explain why 75% of people under 50 (in the UK) who are in hospital due to COVID are unvaccinated? that’s a very small number of people to choose from as 89% of the population over 16 are at least single jabbed But doesn't that prove the point that you are much more likely to end up in hospital if you haven't had even a single dose? not really that figure could have been the same either way. I cannot find the evidence either to support the argument that 75% of the people in hospital under 50 are unjabbed that could mean there’s only 4 people in hospital with covid under 50 and 3 of them are unjabbed. Who knows what reason those 3 may have for not having been jabbed ??? The figure isn’t the same ‘either way’ what it proves is that you are far more likely to end up in hospital with covid if you aren’t vaccinated but it doesn’t does it. With out actual numbers that % and age means nothing at all. It’s like saying 75% of people asked under 50shop at Tesco’s. Well how many people did you ask. There is absolutely nothing you can use that % to prove It’s based on hospital admission for COVID, very simple to understand? it is yes so please can I have a break down of the number of people in hospital by age range in ten year spaces from 16 upwards to 96. And for each age range can I please have the number for those who are unvaccinated. Then I can work out exactly what 75% of the unvaccinated under 50s is. Than you. This is as I mentioned becaus just giving a % with out a number is Usles. I don’t have the numbers and I am sure you know how to use google? If you are under 50 and unvaccinated you are 3 times more likely to end up in hospital than a person who is vaccinated? I assume that you aren’t vaccinated and don’t think the vaccines are effective " you don’t have the numbers? I do know how to use google and I cannot find anything to support this or a break down of figures | |||
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"You stated that "The fact that not everyone is vaccinated makes increases the rate of case growth". How does that relate to what we're seeing in Isreal? The article demonstrates clearly that the most heavily vaccinated country is the world is the world's most infected country. Had it not been vaccinated it would have been carnage. As I have said, Israel hasn't had the restrictions for a while. They have re-introduced some I think. As I also mention, the vaccine reduces transmission rather than prevent. Also, Israel isn't the most vaccinated country in the world. In terms of vaccinations across all age groups, the UK has higher percentage fully vaccinated than Israel. So does Germany, Italy and Portugal. Uptake of the vaccine in various parts of London is extremely low. Boroughs like Tower Hamlets and Hackey stil have incredibly low uptake (have a look at the link below). Why haven't we seen carnage in those areas? I'm genuinely interested. https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/health/hackney-sees-low-vaccine-uptake-8094246 Tower hamlets and Hackney do have some of the highest covid rates in London though! Not according to this https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-54324244. Where did you get your figures from? Should that not be "when" did you get your figures from? That article is 1st March... Thank you I was just about to say that I live in a neighbouring Borough, also see the figures on the local news. I live inside the Borough and I haven't seen the carnage the previous poster predicted. Nobody has predicted carnage And if you live in the borough you should know full well the cases are amongst the highest of any London Borough! "Had it not been for vaccines there would be carnage" Hungblackbull. He literally said that earlier today. "Highest among any London brough" you say. Im bot disputing your claim but PLEASE provide some evidence for us all to see. We should all be here to learn. Great misquote...I was clearly referring to Israel!!!! Please explain why the situation would be different in this country? Can you explain why 75% of people under 50 (in the UK) who are in hospital due to COVID are unvaccinated? that’s a very small number of people to choose from as 89% of the population over 16 are at least single jabbed But doesn't that prove the point that you are much more likely to end up in hospital if you haven't had even a single dose? not really that figure could have been the same either way. I cannot find the evidence either to support the argument that 75% of the people in hospital under 50 are unjabbed that could mean there’s only 4 people in hospital with covid under 50 and 3 of them are unjabbed. Who knows what reason those 3 may have for not having been jabbed ??? The figure isn’t the same ‘either way’ what it proves is that you are far more likely to end up in hospital with covid if you aren’t vaccinated but it doesn’t does it. With out actual numbers that % and age means nothing at all. It’s like saying 75% of people asked under 50shop at Tesco’s. Well how many people did you ask. There is absolutely nothing you can use that % to prove It’s based on hospital admission for COVID, very simple to understand? it is yes so please can I have a break down of the number of people in hospital by age range in ten year spaces from 16 upwards to 96. And for each age range can I please have the number for those who are unvaccinated. Then I can work out exactly what 75% of the unvaccinated under 50s is. Than you. This is as I mentioned becaus just giving a % with out a number is Usles. " https://news.sky.com/story/covid-three-quarters-of-under-50s-in-hospital-with-coronavirus-are-unvaccinated-figures-reveal-12398321 | |||
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"You stated that "The fact that not everyone is vaccinated makes increases the rate of case growth". How does that relate to what we're seeing in Isreal? The article demonstrates clearly that the most heavily vaccinated country is the world is the world's most infected country. Had it not been vaccinated it would have been carnage. As I have said, Israel hasn't had the restrictions for a while. They have re-introduced some I think. As I also mention, the vaccine reduces transmission rather than prevent. Also, Israel isn't the most vaccinated country in the world. In terms of vaccinations across all age groups, the UK has higher percentage fully vaccinated than Israel. So does Germany, Italy and Portugal. Uptake of the vaccine in various parts of London is extremely low. Boroughs like Tower Hamlets and Hackey stil have incredibly low uptake (have a look at the link below). Why haven't we seen carnage in those areas? I'm genuinely interested. https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/health/hackney-sees-low-vaccine-uptake-8094246 Tower hamlets and Hackney do have some of the highest covid rates in London though! Not according to this https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-54324244. Where did you get your figures from? Should that not be "when" did you get your figures from? That article is 1st March... Thank you I was just about to say that I live in a neighbouring Borough, also see the figures on the local news. I live inside the Borough and I haven't seen the carnage the previous poster predicted. Nobody has predicted carnage And if you live in the borough you should know full well the cases are amongst the highest of any London Borough! "Had it not been for vaccines there would be carnage" Hungblackbull. He literally said that earlier today. "Highest among any London brough" you say. Im bot disputing your claim but PLEASE provide some evidence for us all to see. We should all be here to learn. Great misquote...I was clearly referring to Israel!!!! Please explain why the situation would be different in this country? Can you explain why 75% of people under 50 (in the UK) who are in hospital due to COVID are unvaccinated? that’s a very small number of people to choose from as 89% of the population over 16 are at least single jabbed But doesn't that prove the point that you are much more likely to end up in hospital if you haven't had even a single dose? not really that figure could have been the same either way. I cannot find the evidence either to support the argument that 75% of the people in hospital under 50 are unjabbed that could mean there’s only 4 people in hospital with covid under 50 and 3 of them are unjabbed. Who knows what reason those 3 may have for not having been jabbed ??? The figure isn’t the same ‘either way’ what it proves is that you are far more likely to end up in hospital with covid if you aren’t vaccinated but it doesn’t does it. With out actual numbers that % and age means nothing at all. It’s like saying 75% of people asked under 50shop at Tesco’s. Well how many people did you ask. There is absolutely nothing you can use that % to prove It’s based on hospital admission for COVID, very simple to understand? it is yes so please can I have a break down of the number of people in hospital by age range in ten year spaces from 16 upwards to 96. And for each age range can I please have the number for those who are unvaccinated. Then I can work out exactly what 75% of the unvaccinated under 50s is. Than you. This is as I mentioned becaus just giving a % with out a number is Usles. I don’t have the numbers and I am sure you know how to use google? If you are under 50 and unvaccinated you are 3 times more likely to end up in hospital than a person who is vaccinated? I assume that you aren’t vaccinated and don’t think the vaccines are effective you don’t have the numbers? I do know how to use google and I cannot find anything to support this or a break down of figures " , have a look at the link I have provided, you are on the internet and you don’t know how to use google or a search engine? | |||
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"You stated that "The fact that not everyone is vaccinated makes increases the rate of case growth". How does that relate to what we're seeing in Isreal? The article demonstrates clearly that the most heavily vaccinated country is the world is the world's most infected country. Had it not been vaccinated it would have been carnage. As I have said, Israel hasn't had the restrictions for a while. They have re-introduced some I think. As I also mention, the vaccine reduces transmission rather than prevent. Also, Israel isn't the most vaccinated country in the world. In terms of vaccinations across all age groups, the UK has higher percentage fully vaccinated than Israel. So does Germany, Italy and Portugal. Uptake of the vaccine in various parts of London is extremely low. Boroughs like Tower Hamlets and Hackey stil have incredibly low uptake (have a look at the link below). Why haven't we seen carnage in those areas? I'm genuinely interested. https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/health/hackney-sees-low-vaccine-uptake-8094246 Tower hamlets and Hackney do have some of the highest covid rates in London though! Not according to this https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-54324244. Where did you get your figures from? Should that not be "when" did you get your figures from? That article is 1st March... Thank you I was just about to say that I live in a neighbouring Borough, also see the figures on the local news. I live inside the Borough and I haven't seen the carnage the previous poster predicted. Nobody has predicted carnage And if you live in the borough you should know full well the cases are amongst the highest of any London Borough! "Had it not been for vaccines there would be carnage" Hungblackbull. He literally said that earlier today. "Highest among any London brough" you say. Im bot disputing your claim but PLEASE provide some evidence for us all to see. We should all be here to learn. Great misquote...I was clearly referring to Israel!!!! Please explain why the situation would be different in this country? Can you explain why 75% of people under 50 (in the UK) who are in hospital due to COVID are unvaccinated? that’s a very small number of people to choose from as 89% of the population over 16 are at least single jabbed But doesn't that prove the point that you are much more likely to end up in hospital if you haven't had even a single dose? not really that figure could have been the same either way. I cannot find the evidence either to support the argument that 75% of the people in hospital under 50 are unjabbed that could mean there’s only 4 people in hospital with covid under 50 and 3 of them are unjabbed. Who knows what reason those 3 may have for not having been jabbed ??? The figure isn’t the same ‘either way’ what it proves is that you are far more likely to end up in hospital with covid if you aren’t vaccinated but it doesn’t does it. With out actual numbers that % and age means nothing at all. It’s like saying 75% of people asked under 50shop at Tesco’s. Well how many people did you ask. There is absolutely nothing you can use that % to prove It’s based on hospital admission for COVID, very simple to understand? it is yes so please can I have a break down of the number of people in hospital by age range in ten year spaces from 16 upwards to 96. And for each age range can I please have the number for those who are unvaccinated. Then I can work out exactly what 75% of the unvaccinated under 50s is. Than you. This is as I mentioned becaus just giving a % with out a number is Usles. I don’t have the numbers and I am sure you know how to use google? If you are under 50 and unvaccinated you are 3 times more likely to end up in hospital than a person who is vaccinated? I assume that you aren’t vaccinated and don’t think the vaccines are effective " you are very wrong to assume my friend. What I hate is figures being minuplated to support a specific agenda and then reused by them that don’t really understand them. | |||
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"You stated that "The fact that not everyone is vaccinated makes increases the rate of case growth". How does that relate to what we're seeing in Isreal? The article demonstrates clearly that the most heavily vaccinated country is the world is the world's most infected country. Had it not been vaccinated it would have been carnage. As I have said, Israel hasn't had the restrictions for a while. They have re-introduced some I think. As I also mention, the vaccine reduces transmission rather than prevent. Also, Israel isn't the most vaccinated country in the world. In terms of vaccinations across all age groups, the UK has higher percentage fully vaccinated than Israel. So does Germany, Italy and Portugal. Uptake of the vaccine in various parts of London is extremely low. Boroughs like Tower Hamlets and Hackey stil have incredibly low uptake (have a look at the link below). Why haven't we seen carnage in those areas? I'm genuinely interested. https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/health/hackney-sees-low-vaccine-uptake-8094246 Tower hamlets and Hackney do have some of the highest covid rates in London though! Not according to this https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-54324244. Where did you get your figures from? Should that not be "when" did you get your figures from? That article is 1st March... Thank you I was just about to say that I live in a neighbouring Borough, also see the figures on the local news. I live inside the Borough and I haven't seen the carnage the previous poster predicted. Nobody has predicted carnage And if you live in the borough you should know full well the cases are amongst the highest of any London Borough! "Had it not been for vaccines there would be carnage" Hungblackbull. He literally said that earlier today. "Highest among any London brough" you say. Im bot disputing your claim but PLEASE provide some evidence for us all to see. We should all be here to learn. Great misquote...I was clearly referring to Israel!!!! Please explain why the situation would be different in this country? Can you explain why 75% of people under 50 (in the UK) who are in hospital due to COVID are unvaccinated? that’s a very small number of people to choose from as 89% of the population over 16 are at least single jabbed But doesn't that prove the point that you are much more likely to end up in hospital if you haven't had even a single dose? not really that figure could have been the same either way. I cannot find the evidence either to support the argument that 75% of the people in hospital under 50 are unjabbed that could mean there’s only 4 people in hospital with covid under 50 and 3 of them are unjabbed. Who knows what reason those 3 may have for not having been jabbed ??? The figure isn’t the same ‘either way’ what it proves is that you are far more likely to end up in hospital with covid if you aren’t vaccinated but it doesn’t does it. With out actual numbers that % and age means nothing at all. It’s like saying 75% of people asked under 50shop at Tesco’s. Well how many people did you ask. There is absolutely nothing you can use that % to prove It’s based on hospital admission for COVID, very simple to understand? it is yes so please can I have a break down of the number of people in hospital by age range in ten year spaces from 16 upwards to 96. And for each age range can I please have the number for those who are unvaccinated. Then I can work out exactly what 75% of the unvaccinated under 50s is. Than you. This is as I mentioned becaus just giving a % with out a number is Usles. I don’t have the numbers and I am sure you know how to use google? If you are under 50 and unvaccinated you are 3 times more likely to end up in hospital than a person who is vaccinated? I assume that you aren’t vaccinated and don’t think the vaccines are effective you are very wrong to assume my friend. What I hate is figures being minuplated to support a specific agenda and then reused by them that don’t really understand them. " Read the link, | |||
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"You stated that "The fact that not everyone is vaccinated makes increases the rate of case growth". How does that relate to what we're seeing in Isreal? The article demonstrates clearly that the most heavily vaccinated country is the world is the world's most infected country. Had it not been vaccinated it would have been carnage. As I have said, Israel hasn't had the restrictions for a while. They have re-introduced some I think. As I also mention, the vaccine reduces transmission rather than prevent. Also, Israel isn't the most vaccinated country in the world. In terms of vaccinations across all age groups, the UK has higher percentage fully vaccinated than Israel. So does Germany, Italy and Portugal. Uptake of the vaccine in various parts of London is extremely low. Boroughs like Tower Hamlets and Hackey stil have incredibly low uptake (have a look at the link below). Why haven't we seen carnage in those areas? I'm genuinely interested. https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/health/hackney-sees-low-vaccine-uptake-8094246 Tower hamlets and Hackney do have some of the highest covid rates in London though! Not according to this https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-54324244. Where did you get your figures from? Should that not be "when" did you get your figures from? That article is 1st March... Thank you I was just about to say that I live in a neighbouring Borough, also see the figures on the local news. I live inside the Borough and I haven't seen the carnage the previous poster predicted. Nobody has predicted carnage And if you live in the borough you should know full well the cases are amongst the highest of any London Borough! "Had it not been for vaccines there would be carnage" Hungblackbull. He literally said that earlier today. "Highest among any London brough" you say. Im bot disputing your claim but PLEASE provide some evidence for us all to see. We should all be here to learn. https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/london-boroughs-covid-watchlist-hackney-tower-hamlets-cases-increase-b947388.html?amp That article is based on data from July, vaccination numbers (up) and cases (dropping) are so different now. Go to source ons for daily, monthly changes for each borough Thank you for your advice but I already did and Hackey is still in the top 10 for covid cases out of 22 in London and still has the lowest vaccine take up so my point stands. So to clarify Hackey is midtable for case but bottom for uptake. Please explain how your point still stands? Because it is more than mid table and secondly I never said it was the highest I said it was among the highest and it is. You May not want to believe there is a correlation between not being vaccinated and more likely to end up in hospital but all the evidence Proves otherwise. Just above mid table lol. Not the carnage the gentleman mentioned earlier. Uptake in London is relatively low https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/06/third-adults-unvaccinated-parts-london-data-shows-covid. However most Hotspots are outside London https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/20/covid-uk-coronavirus-cases-deaths-and-vaccinations-today. Where's your evidence for this correction? " I clarified the carnage comment you somehow misunderstood. Learn to read and understand. | |||
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"You stated that "The fact that not everyone is vaccinated makes increases the rate of case growth". How does that relate to what we're seeing in Isreal? The article demonstrates clearly that the most heavily vaccinated country is the world is the world's most infected country. Had it not been vaccinated it would have been carnage. As I have said, Israel hasn't had the restrictions for a while. They have re-introduced some I think. As I also mention, the vaccine reduces transmission rather than prevent. Also, Israel isn't the most vaccinated country in the world. In terms of vaccinations across all age groups, the UK has higher percentage fully vaccinated than Israel. So does Germany, Italy and Portugal. Uptake of the vaccine in various parts of London is extremely low. Boroughs like Tower Hamlets and Hackey stil have incredibly low uptake (have a look at the link below). Why haven't we seen carnage in those areas? I'm genuinely interested. https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/health/hackney-sees-low-vaccine-uptake-8094246 Tower hamlets and Hackney do have some of the highest covid rates in London though! Not according to this https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-54324244. Where did you get your figures from? Should that not be "when" did you get your figures from? That article is 1st March... Thank you I was just about to say that I live in a neighbouring Borough, also see the figures on the local news. I live inside the Borough and I haven't seen the carnage the previous poster predicted. Nobody has predicted carnage And if you live in the borough you should know full well the cases are amongst the highest of any London Borough! "Had it not been for vaccines there would be carnage" Hungblackbull. He literally said that earlier today. "Highest among any London brough" you say. Im bot disputing your claim but PLEASE provide some evidence for us all to see. We should all be here to learn. Great misquote...I was clearly referring to Israel!!!! Please explain why the situation would be different in this country? Can you explain why 75% of people under 50 (in the UK) who are in hospital due to COVID are unvaccinated? that’s a very small number of people to choose from as 89% of the population over 16 are at least single jabbed But doesn't that prove the point that you are much more likely to end up in hospital if you haven't had even a single dose? not really that figure could have been the same either way. I cannot find the evidence either to support the argument that 75% of the people in hospital under 50 are unjabbed that could mean there’s only 4 people in hospital with covid under 50 and 3 of them are unjabbed. Who knows what reason those 3 may have for not having been jabbed ??? The figure isn’t the same ‘either way’ what it proves is that you are far more likely to end up in hospital with covid if you aren’t vaccinated but it doesn’t does it. With out actual numbers that % and age means nothing at all. It’s like saying 75% of people asked under 50shop at Tesco’s. Well how many people did you ask. There is absolutely nothing you can use that % to prove It’s based on hospital admission for COVID, very simple to understand? it is yes so please can I have a break down of the number of people in hospital by age range in ten year spaces from 16 upwards to 96. And for each age range can I please have the number for those who are unvaccinated. Then I can work out exactly what 75% of the unvaccinated under 50s is. Than you. This is as I mentioned becaus just giving a % with out a number is Usles. I don’t have the numbers and I am sure you know how to use google? If you are under 50 and unvaccinated you are 3 times more likely to end up in hospital than a person who is vaccinated? I assume that you aren’t vaccinated and don’t think the vaccines are effective you are very wrong to assume my friend. What I hate is figures being minuplated to support a specific agenda and then reused by them that don’t really understand them. " My apologies, so you are vaccinated and you do think the vaccines are effective? | |||
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"You stated that "The fact that not everyone is vaccinated makes increases the rate of case growth". How does that relate to what we're seeing in Isreal? The article demonstrates clearly that the most heavily vaccinated country is the world is the world's most infected country. Had it not been vaccinated it would have been carnage. As I have said, Israel hasn't had the restrictions for a while. They have re-introduced some I think. As I also mention, the vaccine reduces transmission rather than prevent. Also, Israel isn't the most vaccinated country in the world. In terms of vaccinations across all age groups, the UK has higher percentage fully vaccinated than Israel. So does Germany, Italy and Portugal. Uptake of the vaccine in various parts of London is extremely low. Boroughs like Tower Hamlets and Hackey stil have incredibly low uptake (have a look at the link below). Why haven't we seen carnage in those areas? I'm genuinely interested. https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/health/hackney-sees-low-vaccine-uptake-8094246 Tower hamlets and Hackney do have some of the highest covid rates in London though! Not according to this https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-54324244. Where did you get your figures from? Should that not be "when" did you get your figures from? That article is 1st March... Thank you I was just about to say that I live in a neighbouring Borough, also see the figures on the local news. I live inside the Borough and I haven't seen the carnage the previous poster predicted. Nobody has predicted carnage And if you live in the borough you should know full well the cases are amongst the highest of any London Borough! "Had it not been for vaccines there would be carnage" Hungblackbull. He literally said that earlier today. "Highest among any London brough" you say. Im bot disputing your claim but PLEASE provide some evidence for us all to see. We should all be here to learn. Great misquote...I was clearly referring to Israel!!!! Please explain why the situation would be different in this country? Can you explain why 75% of people under 50 (in the UK) who are in hospital due to COVID are unvaccinated? that’s a very small number of people to choose from as 89% of the population over 16 are at least single jabbed But doesn't that prove the point that you are much more likely to end up in hospital if you haven't had even a single dose? not really that figure could have been the same either way. I cannot find the evidence either to support the argument that 75% of the people in hospital under 50 are unjabbed that could mean there’s only 4 people in hospital with covid under 50 and 3 of them are unjabbed. Who knows what reason those 3 may have for not having been jabbed ??? It doesn't matter what their reasons are and it doesn't matter if it's only four people and 3 of them haven't had the vaccine it's still proves the point that you are more likely to end up in hospital if you haven't had the vaccine. I’m sorry but it does not those 3 people may not have had the vaccine due to underlying health conditions which prevent them from having it but also increase their chances of falling seriously ill and requiring hopital treatment ( which I may add could be just for 24hrs ). What I’m say is with out all the figures and information throwing out a 75% figure when 89% of the adult population is at least single jabbed is pointless. Imagibe going for a business loan and saying 75% of people I asked want my product without stating how many people you asked you’d be laughed at " Seeing as only 1% of the adult population cannot have any of the current vaccinations available I would find it very difficult to believe that they are all in hospital. you seem to want information that you're not prepared to look for yourself but claim that the figures people are giving you are useless. You may not like it but it's not just in this country it is in every country around the world where they have significant numbers of the population vaccinated its the same situation in regards to those being hospitalised. | |||
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"You stated that "The fact that not everyone is vaccinated makes increases the rate of case growth". How does that relate to what we're seeing in Isreal? The article demonstrates clearly that the most heavily vaccinated country is the world is the world's most infected country. Had it not been vaccinated it would have been carnage. As I have said, Israel hasn't had the restrictions for a while. They have re-introduced some I think. As I also mention, the vaccine reduces transmission rather than prevent. Also, Israel isn't the most vaccinated country in the world. In terms of vaccinations across all age groups, the UK has higher percentage fully vaccinated than Israel. So does Germany, Italy and Portugal. Uptake of the vaccine in various parts of London is extremely low. Boroughs like Tower Hamlets and Hackey stil have incredibly low uptake (have a look at the link below). Why haven't we seen carnage in those areas? I'm genuinely interested. https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/health/hackney-sees-low-vaccine-uptake-8094246 Tower hamlets and Hackney do have some of the highest covid rates in London though! Not according to this https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-54324244. Where did you get your figures from? Should that not be "when" did you get your figures from? That article is 1st March... Thank you I was just about to say that I live in a neighbouring Borough, also see the figures on the local news. I live inside the Borough and I haven't seen the carnage the previous poster predicted. Nobody has predicted carnage And if you live in the borough you should know full well the cases are amongst the highest of any London Borough! "Had it not been for vaccines there would be carnage" Hungblackbull. He literally said that earlier today. "Highest among any London brough" you say. Im bot disputing your claim but PLEASE provide some evidence for us all to see. We should all be here to learn. Great misquote...I was clearly referring to Israel!!!! Please explain why the situation would be different in this country? Can you explain why 75% of people under 50 (in the UK) who are in hospital due to COVID are unvaccinated? that’s a very small number of people to choose from as 89% of the population over 16 are at least single jabbed But doesn't that prove the point that you are much more likely to end up in hospital if you haven't had even a single dose? not really that figure could have been the same either way. I cannot find the evidence either to support the argument that 75% of the people in hospital under 50 are unjabbed that could mean there’s only 4 people in hospital with covid under 50 and 3 of them are unjabbed. Who knows what reason those 3 may have for not having been jabbed ??? It doesn't matter what their reasons are and it doesn't matter if it's only four people and 3 of them haven't had the vaccine it's still proves the point that you are more likely to end up in hospital if you haven't had the vaccine. I’m sorry but it does not those 3 people may not have had the vaccine due to underlying health conditions which prevent them from having it but also increase their chances of falling seriously ill and requiring hopital treatment ( which I may add could be just for 24hrs ). What I’m say is with out all the figures and information throwing out a 75% figure when 89% of the adult population is at least single jabbed is pointless. Imagibe going for a business loan and saying 75% of people I asked want my product without stating how many people you asked you’d be laughed at " https://news.sky.com/story/covid-three-quarters-of-under-50s-in-hospital-with-coronavirus-are-unvaccinated-figures-reveal-12398321 | |||
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"You stated that "The fact that not everyone is vaccinated makes increases the rate of case growth". How does that relate to what we're seeing in Isreal? The article demonstrates clearly that the most heavily vaccinated country is the world is the world's most infected country. Had it not been vaccinated it would have been carnage. As I have said, Israel hasn't had the restrictions for a while. They have re-introduced some I think. As I also mention, the vaccine reduces transmission rather than prevent. Also, Israel isn't the most vaccinated country in the world. In terms of vaccinations across all age groups, the UK has higher percentage fully vaccinated than Israel. So does Germany, Italy and Portugal. Uptake of the vaccine in various parts of London is extremely low. Boroughs like Tower Hamlets and Hackey stil have incredibly low uptake (have a look at the link below). Why haven't we seen carnage in those areas? I'm genuinely interested. https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/health/hackney-sees-low-vaccine-uptake-8094246 Tower hamlets and Hackney do have some of the highest covid rates in London though! Not according to this https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-54324244. Where did you get your figures from? Should that not be "when" did you get your figures from? That article is 1st March... Thank you I was just about to say that I live in a neighbouring Borough, also see the figures on the local news. I live inside the Borough and I haven't seen the carnage the previous poster predicted. Nobody has predicted carnage And if you live in the borough you should know full well the cases are amongst the highest of any London Borough! "Had it not been for vaccines there would be carnage" Hungblackbull. He literally said that earlier today. "Highest among any London brough" you say. Im bot disputing your claim but PLEASE provide some evidence for us all to see. We should all be here to learn. Great misquote...I was clearly referring to Israel!!!! Please explain why the situation would be different in this country? Can you explain why 75% of people under 50 (in the UK) who are in hospital due to COVID are unvaccinated? that’s a very small number of people to choose from as 89% of the population over 16 are at least single jabbed But doesn't that prove the point that you are much more likely to end up in hospital if you haven't had even a single dose? not really that figure could have been the same either way. I cannot find the evidence either to support the argument that 75% of the people in hospital under 50 are unjabbed that could mean there’s only 4 people in hospital with covid under 50 and 3 of them are unjabbed. Who knows what reason those 3 may have for not having been jabbed ??? It doesn't matter what their reasons are and it doesn't matter if it's only four people and 3 of them haven't had the vaccine it's still proves the point that you are more likely to end up in hospital if you haven't had the vaccine. I’m sorry but it does not those 3 people may not have had the vaccine due to underlying health conditions which prevent them from having it but also increase their chances of falling seriously ill and requiring hopital treatment ( which I may add could be just for 24hrs ). What I’m say is with out all the figures and information throwing out a 75% figure when 89% of the adult population is at least single jabbed is pointless. Imagibe going for a business loan and saying 75% of people I asked want my product without stating how many people you asked you’d be laughed at Seeing as only 1% of the adult population cannot have any of the current vaccinations available I would find it very difficult to believe that they are all in hospital. you seem to want information that you're not prepared to look for yourself but claim that the figures people are giving you are useless. You may not like it but it's not just in this country it is in every country around the world where they have significant numbers of the population vaccinated its the same situation in regards to those being hospitalised. " because the information is not there that’s why. I want to know the actual number of people under 50 unvaccinated that have ended up in hospital from the point that the started to vaccinate under 50s up to now compared with the same figure for vaccinated. I’d also like see the same figure for those in hospital now. You can’t and won’t find it. You can’t just say 75% of those in hospital with covid right now are not vaccinated under 50s and therefore unvaccinated people are 3 times more likely to end up in hospital that’s rubbish. 100% of people who have had a adverse reaction to the covid vaccines and ended up in hospital due to it are vaccinated people. See can do anything with a % | |||
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"You stated that "The fact that not everyone is vaccinated makes increases the rate of case growth". How does that relate to what we're seeing in Isreal? The article demonstrates clearly that the most heavily vaccinated country is the world is the world's most infected country. Had it not been vaccinated it would have been carnage. As I have said, Israel hasn't had the restrictions for a while. They have re-introduced some I think. As I also mention, the vaccine reduces transmission rather than prevent. Also, Israel isn't the most vaccinated country in the world. In terms of vaccinations across all age groups, the UK has higher percentage fully vaccinated than Israel. So does Germany, Italy and Portugal. Uptake of the vaccine in various parts of London is extremely low. Boroughs like Tower Hamlets and Hackey stil have incredibly low uptake (have a look at the link below). Why haven't we seen carnage in those areas? I'm genuinely interested. https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/health/hackney-sees-low-vaccine-uptake-8094246 Tower hamlets and Hackney do have some of the highest covid rates in London though! Not according to this https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-54324244. Where did you get your figures from? Should that not be "when" did you get your figures from? That article is 1st March... Thank you I was just about to say that I live in a neighbouring Borough, also see the figures on the local news. I live inside the Borough and I haven't seen the carnage the previous poster predicted. Nobody has predicted carnage And if you live in the borough you should know full well the cases are amongst the highest of any London Borough! "Had it not been for vaccines there would be carnage" Hungblackbull. He literally said that earlier today. "Highest among any London brough" you say. Im bot disputing your claim but PLEASE provide some evidence for us all to see. We should all be here to learn. Great misquote...I was clearly referring to Israel!!!! Please explain why the situation would be different in this country? Can you explain why 75% of people under 50 (in the UK) who are in hospital due to COVID are unvaccinated? that’s a very small number of people to choose from as 89% of the population over 16 are at least single jabbed But doesn't that prove the point that you are much more likely to end up in hospital if you haven't had even a single dose? not really that figure could have been the same either way. I cannot find the evidence either to support the argument that 75% of the people in hospital under 50 are unjabbed that could mean there’s only 4 people in hospital with covid under 50 and 3 of them are unjabbed. Who knows what reason those 3 may have for not having been jabbed ??? The figure isn’t the same ‘either way’ what it proves is that you are far more likely to end up in hospital with covid if you aren’t vaccinated but it doesn’t does it. With out actual numbers that % and age means nothing at all. It’s like saying 75% of people asked under 50shop at Tesco’s. Well how many people did you ask. There is absolutely nothing you can use that % to prove It’s based on hospital admission for COVID, very simple to understand? it is yes so please can I have a break down of the number of people in hospital by age range in ten year spaces from 16 upwards to 96. And for each age range can I please have the number for those who are unvaccinated. Then I can work out exactly what 75% of the unvaccinated under 50s is. Than you. This is as I mentioned becaus just giving a % with out a number is Usles. https://news.sky.com/story/covid-three-quarters-of-under-50s-in-hospital-with-coronavirus-are-unvaccinated-figures-reveal-12398321" The article shows that majority of people over 50 in hospital with Covid had received both jabs. 61% to be exact. | |||
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"You stated that "The fact that not everyone is vaccinated makes increases the rate of case growth". How does that relate to what we're seeing in Isreal? The article demonstrates clearly that the most heavily vaccinated country is the world is the world's most infected country. Had it not been vaccinated it would have been carnage. As I have said, Israel hasn't had the restrictions for a while. They have re-introduced some I think. As I also mention, the vaccine reduces transmission rather than prevent. Also, Israel isn't the most vaccinated country in the world. In terms of vaccinations across all age groups, the UK has higher percentage fully vaccinated than Israel. So does Germany, Italy and Portugal. Uptake of the vaccine in various parts of London is extremely low. Boroughs like Tower Hamlets and Hackey stil have incredibly low uptake (have a look at the link below). Why haven't we seen carnage in those areas? I'm genuinely interested. https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/health/hackney-sees-low-vaccine-uptake-8094246 Tower hamlets and Hackney do have some of the highest covid rates in London though! Not according to this https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-54324244. Where did you get your figures from? Should that not be "when" did you get your figures from? That article is 1st March... Thank you I was just about to say that I live in a neighbouring Borough, also see the figures on the local news. I live inside the Borough and I haven't seen the carnage the previous poster predicted. Nobody has predicted carnage And if you live in the borough you should know full well the cases are amongst the highest of any London Borough! "Had it not been for vaccines there would be carnage" Hungblackbull. He literally said that earlier today. "Highest among any London brough" you say. Im bot disputing your claim but PLEASE provide some evidence for us all to see. We should all be here to learn. Great misquote...I was clearly referring to Israel!!!! Please explain why the situation would be different in this country? Can you explain why 75% of people under 50 (in the UK) who are in hospital due to COVID are unvaccinated? that’s a very small number of people to choose from as 89% of the population over 16 are at least single jabbed But doesn't that prove the point that you are much more likely to end up in hospital if you haven't had even a single dose? not really that figure could have been the same either way. I cannot find the evidence either to support the argument that 75% of the people in hospital under 50 are unjabbed that could mean there’s only 4 people in hospital with covid under 50 and 3 of them are unjabbed. Who knows what reason those 3 may have for not having been jabbed ??? It doesn't matter what their reasons are and it doesn't matter if it's only four people and 3 of them haven't had the vaccine it's still proves the point that you are more likely to end up in hospital if you haven't had the vaccine. I’m sorry but it does not those 3 people may not have had the vaccine due to underlying health conditions which prevent them from having it but also increase their chances of falling seriously ill and requiring hopital treatment ( which I may add could be just for 24hrs ). What I’m say is with out all the figures and information throwing out a 75% figure when 89% of the adult population is at least single jabbed is pointless. Imagibe going for a business loan and saying 75% of people I asked want my product without stating how many people you asked you’d be laughed at Seeing as only 1% of the adult population cannot have any of the current vaccinations available I would find it very difficult to believe that they are all in hospital. you seem to want information that you're not prepared to look for yourself but claim that the figures people are giving you are useless. You may not like it but it's not just in this country it is in every country around the world where they have significant numbers of the population vaccinated its the same situation in regards to those being hospitalised. because the information is not there that’s why. I want to know the actual number of people under 50 unvaccinated that have ended up in hospital from the point that the started to vaccinate under 50s up to now compared with the same figure for vaccinated. I’d also like see the same figure for those in hospital now. You can’t and won’t find it. You can’t just say 75% of those in hospital with covid right now are not vaccinated under 50s and therefore unvaccinated people are 3 times more likely to end up in hospital that’s rubbish. 100% of people who have had a adverse reaction to the covid vaccines and ended up in hospital due to it are vaccinated people. See can do anything with a % " Read the link 9,472 hospitalisation 5,098 below 50 Of those 3,742 (73 % unvaccinated) 721 (14%) one dose 521 (10%) both doses Source Public Health England | |||
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"You stated that "The fact that not everyone is vaccinated makes increases the rate of case growth". How does that relate to what we're seeing in Isreal? The article demonstrates clearly that the most heavily vaccinated country is the world is the world's most infected country. Had it not been vaccinated it would have been carnage. As I have said, Israel hasn't had the restrictions for a while. They have re-introduced some I think. As I also mention, the vaccine reduces transmission rather than prevent. Also, Israel isn't the most vaccinated country in the world. In terms of vaccinations across all age groups, the UK has higher percentage fully vaccinated than Israel. So does Germany, Italy and Portugal. Uptake of the vaccine in various parts of London is extremely low. Boroughs like Tower Hamlets and Hackey stil have incredibly low uptake (have a look at the link below). Why haven't we seen carnage in those areas? I'm genuinely interested. https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/health/hackney-sees-low-vaccine-uptake-8094246 Tower hamlets and Hackney do have some of the highest covid rates in London though! Not according to this https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-54324244. Where did you get your figures from? Should that not be "when" did you get your figures from? That article is 1st March... Thank you I was just about to say that I live in a neighbouring Borough, also see the figures on the local news. I live inside the Borough and I haven't seen the carnage the previous poster predicted. Nobody has predicted carnage And if you live in the borough you should know full well the cases are amongst the highest of any London Borough! "Had it not been for vaccines there would be carnage" Hungblackbull. He literally said that earlier today. "Highest among any London brough" you say. Im bot disputing your claim but PLEASE provide some evidence for us all to see. We should all be here to learn. Great misquote...I was clearly referring to Israel!!!! Please explain why the situation would be different in this country? Can you explain why 75% of people under 50 (in the UK) who are in hospital due to COVID are unvaccinated? that’s a very small number of people to choose from as 89% of the population over 16 are at least single jabbed But doesn't that prove the point that you are much more likely to end up in hospital if you haven't had even a single dose? not really that figure could have been the same either way. I cannot find the evidence either to support the argument that 75% of the people in hospital under 50 are unjabbed that could mean there’s only 4 people in hospital with covid under 50 and 3 of them are unjabbed. Who knows what reason those 3 may have for not having been jabbed ??? The figure isn’t the same ‘either way’ what it proves is that you are far more likely to end up in hospital with covid if you aren’t vaccinated but it doesn’t does it. With out actual numbers that % and age means nothing at all. It’s like saying 75% of people asked under 50shop at Tesco’s. Well how many people did you ask. There is absolutely nothing you can use that % to prove It’s based on hospital admission for COVID, very simple to understand? it is yes so please can I have a break down of the number of people in hospital by age range in ten year spaces from 16 upwards to 96. And for each age range can I please have the number for those who are unvaccinated. Then I can work out exactly what 75% of the unvaccinated under 50s is. Than you. This is as I mentioned becaus just giving a % with out a number is Usles. https://news.sky.com/story/covid-three-quarters-of-under-50s-in-hospital-with-coronavirus-are-unvaccinated-figures-reveal-12398321 The article shows that majority of people over 50 in hospital with Covid had received both jabs. 61% to be exact. " That is true, which is a worry you are far more likely to be hospitalised if you are over 50 though, more of a concern is that there are more under 50s in hospital then over 50s | |||
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"You stated that "The fact that not everyone is vaccinated makes increases the rate of case growth". How does that relate to what we're seeing in Isreal? The article demonstrates clearly that the most heavily vaccinated country is the world is the world's most infected country. Had it not been vaccinated it would have been carnage. As I have said, Israel hasn't had the restrictions for a while. They have re-introduced some I think. As I also mention, the vaccine reduces transmission rather than prevent. Also, Israel isn't the most vaccinated country in the world. In terms of vaccinations across all age groups, the UK has higher percentage fully vaccinated than Israel. So does Germany, Italy and Portugal. Uptake of the vaccine in various parts of London is extremely low. Boroughs like Tower Hamlets and Hackey stil have incredibly low uptake (have a look at the link below). Why haven't we seen carnage in those areas? I'm genuinely interested. https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/health/hackney-sees-low-vaccine-uptake-8094246 Tower hamlets and Hackney do have some of the highest covid rates in London though! Not according to this https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-54324244. Where did you get your figures from? Should that not be "when" did you get your figures from? That article is 1st March... Thank you I was just about to say that I live in a neighbouring Borough, also see the figures on the local news. I live inside the Borough and I haven't seen the carnage the previous poster predicted. Nobody has predicted carnage And if you live in the borough you should know full well the cases are amongst the highest of any London Borough! "Had it not been for vaccines there would be carnage" Hungblackbull. He literally said that earlier today. "Highest among any London brough" you say. Im bot disputing your claim but PLEASE provide some evidence for us all to see. We should all be here to learn. Great misquote...I was clearly referring to Israel!!!! Please explain why the situation would be different in this country? Can you explain why 75% of people under 50 (in the UK) who are in hospital due to COVID are unvaccinated? that’s a very small number of people to choose from as 89% of the population over 16 are at least single jabbed But doesn't that prove the point that you are much more likely to end up in hospital if you haven't had even a single dose? not really that figure could have been the same either way. I cannot find the evidence either to support the argument that 75% of the people in hospital under 50 are unjabbed that could mean there’s only 4 people in hospital with covid under 50 and 3 of them are unjabbed. Who knows what reason those 3 may have for not having been jabbed ??? The figure isn’t the same ‘either way’ what it proves is that you are far more likely to end up in hospital with covid if you aren’t vaccinated but it doesn’t does it. With out actual numbers that % and age means nothing at all. It’s like saying 75% of people asked under 50shop at Tesco’s. Well how many people did you ask. There is absolutely nothing you can use that % to prove It’s based on hospital admission for COVID, very simple to understand? it is yes so please can I have a break down of the number of people in hospital by age range in ten year spaces from 16 upwards to 96. And for each age range can I please have the number for those who are unvaccinated. Then I can work out exactly what 75% of the unvaccinated under 50s is. Than you. This is as I mentioned becaus just giving a % with out a number is Usles. https://news.sky.com/story/covid-three-quarters-of-under-50s-in-hospital-with-coronavirus-are-unvaccinated-figures-reveal-12398321 The article shows that majority of people over 50 in hospital with Covid had received both jabs. 61% to be exact. " Yes and if you read it you would also know there are more people in hospital under 50 than over 50 and if you add the 2 numbers up of people who have been vaccinated in both age groups it is significantly lower than those that have been unaccinated or only had one jab. | |||
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"You stated that "The fact that not everyone is vaccinated makes increases the rate of case growth". How does that relate to what we're seeing in Isreal? The article demonstrates clearly that the most heavily vaccinated country is the world is the world's most infected country. Had it not been vaccinated it would have been carnage. As I have said, Israel hasn't had the restrictions for a while. They have re-introduced some I think. As I also mention, the vaccine reduces transmission rather than prevent. Also, Israel isn't the most vaccinated country in the world. In terms of vaccinations across all age groups, the UK has higher percentage fully vaccinated than Israel. So does Germany, Italy and Portugal. Uptake of the vaccine in various parts of London is extremely low. Boroughs like Tower Hamlets and Hackey stil have incredibly low uptake (have a look at the link below). Why haven't we seen carnage in those areas? I'm genuinely interested. https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/health/hackney-sees-low-vaccine-uptake-8094246 Tower hamlets and Hackney do have some of the highest covid rates in London though! Not according to this https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-54324244. Where did you get your figures from? Should that not be "when" did you get your figures from? That article is 1st March... Thank you I was just about to say that I live in a neighbouring Borough, also see the figures on the local news. I live inside the Borough and I haven't seen the carnage the previous poster predicted. Nobody has predicted carnage And if you live in the borough you should know full well the cases are amongst the highest of any London Borough! "Had it not been for vaccines there would be carnage" Hungblackbull. He literally said that earlier today. "Highest among any London brough" you say. Im bot disputing your claim but PLEASE provide some evidence for us all to see. We should all be here to learn. Great misquote...I was clearly referring to Israel!!!! Please explain why the situation would be different in this country? Can you explain why 75% of people under 50 (in the UK) who are in hospital due to COVID are unvaccinated? that’s a very small number of people to choose from as 89% of the population over 16 are at least single jabbed But doesn't that prove the point that you are much more likely to end up in hospital if you haven't had even a single dose? not really that figure could have been the same either way. I cannot find the evidence either to support the argument that 75% of the people in hospital under 50 are unjabbed that could mean there’s only 4 people in hospital with covid under 50 and 3 of them are unjabbed. Who knows what reason those 3 may have for not having been jabbed ??? The figure isn’t the same ‘either way’ what it proves is that you are far more likely to end up in hospital with covid if you aren’t vaccinated but it doesn’t does it. With out actual numbers that % and age means nothing at all. It’s like saying 75% of people asked under 50shop at Tesco’s. Well how many people did you ask. There is absolutely nothing you can use that % to prove It’s based on hospital admission for COVID, very simple to understand? it is yes so please can I have a break down of the number of people in hospital by age range in ten year spaces from 16 upwards to 96. And for each age range can I please have the number for those who are unvaccinated. Then I can work out exactly what 75% of the unvaccinated under 50s is. Than you. This is as I mentioned becaus just giving a % with out a number is Usles. https://news.sky.com/story/covid-three-quarters-of-under-50s-in-hospital-with-coronavirus-are-unvaccinated-figures-reveal-12398321 The article shows that majority of people over 50 in hospital with Covid had received both jabs. 61% to be exact. That is true, which is a worry you are far more likely to be hospitalised if you are over 50 though, more of a concern is that there are more under 50s in hospital then over 50s" But those figures actually show you are more likely to wind up in hospital if you are under 50. | |||
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"You stated that "The fact that not everyone is vaccinated makes increases the rate of case growth". How does that relate to what we're seeing in Isreal? The article demonstrates clearly that the most heavily vaccinated country is the world is the world's most infected country. Had it not been vaccinated it would have been carnage. As I have said, Israel hasn't had the restrictions for a while. They have re-introduced some I think. As I also mention, the vaccine reduces transmission rather than prevent. Also, Israel isn't the most vaccinated country in the world. In terms of vaccinations across all age groups, the UK has higher percentage fully vaccinated than Israel. So does Germany, Italy and Portugal. Uptake of the vaccine in various parts of London is extremely low. Boroughs like Tower Hamlets and Hackey stil have incredibly low uptake (have a look at the link below). Why haven't we seen carnage in those areas? I'm genuinely interested. https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/health/hackney-sees-low-vaccine-uptake-8094246 Tower hamlets and Hackney do have some of the highest covid rates in London though! Not according to this https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-54324244. Where did you get your figures from? Should that not be "when" did you get your figures from? That article is 1st March... Thank you I was just about to say that I live in a neighbouring Borough, also see the figures on the local news. I live inside the Borough and I haven't seen the carnage the previous poster predicted. Nobody has predicted carnage And if you live in the borough you should know full well the cases are amongst the highest of any London Borough! "Had it not been for vaccines there would be carnage" Hungblackbull. He literally said that earlier today. "Highest among any London brough" you say. Im bot disputing your claim but PLEASE provide some evidence for us all to see. We should all be here to learn. Great misquote...I was clearly referring to Israel!!!! Please explain why the situation would be different in this country? Can you explain why 75% of people under 50 (in the UK) who are in hospital due to COVID are unvaccinated? that’s a very small number of people to choose from as 89% of the population over 16 are at least single jabbed But doesn't that prove the point that you are much more likely to end up in hospital if you haven't had even a single dose? not really that figure could have been the same either way. I cannot find the evidence either to support the argument that 75% of the people in hospital under 50 are unjabbed that could mean there’s only 4 people in hospital with covid under 50 and 3 of them are unjabbed. Who knows what reason those 3 may have for not having been jabbed ??? It doesn't matter what their reasons are and it doesn't matter if it's only four people and 3 of them haven't had the vaccine it's still proves the point that you are more likely to end up in hospital if you haven't had the vaccine. I’m sorry but it does not those 3 people may not have had the vaccine due to underlying health conditions which prevent them from having it but also increase their chances of falling seriously ill and requiring hopital treatment ( which I may add could be just for 24hrs ). What I’m say is with out all the figures and information throwing out a 75% figure when 89% of the adult population is at least single jabbed is pointless. Imagibe going for a business loan and saying 75% of people I asked want my product without stating how many people you asked you’d be laughed at https://news.sky.com/story/covid-three-quarters-of-under-50s-in-hospital-with-coronavirus-are-unvaccinated-figures-reveal-12398321" 9,472 Admited in last 7 days 5,098 Admited under 50 From sky news not a scientific report or outlet. And if you break that down to 75% it does not give you a overal figure of 3 times more likely to end up in hospital. Please find the data from the gov or scientific out let. 61% of over 50s double jabbed ended up in hospital with covid | |||
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"You stated that "The fact that not everyone is vaccinated makes increases the rate of case growth". How does that relate to what we're seeing in Isreal? The article demonstrates clearly that the most heavily vaccinated country is the world is the world's most infected country. Had it not been vaccinated it would have been carnage. As I have said, Israel hasn't had the restrictions for a while. They have re-introduced some I think. As I also mention, the vaccine reduces transmission rather than prevent. Also, Israel isn't the most vaccinated country in the world. In terms of vaccinations across all age groups, the UK has higher percentage fully vaccinated than Israel. So does Germany, Italy and Portugal. Uptake of the vaccine in various parts of London is extremely low. Boroughs like Tower Hamlets and Hackey stil have incredibly low uptake (have a look at the link below). Why haven't we seen carnage in those areas? I'm genuinely interested. https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/health/hackney-sees-low-vaccine-uptake-8094246 Tower hamlets and Hackney do have some of the highest covid rates in London though! Not according to this https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-54324244. Where did you get your figures from? Should that not be "when" did you get your figures from? That article is 1st March... Thank you I was just about to say that I live in a neighbouring Borough, also see the figures on the local news. I live inside the Borough and I haven't seen the carnage the previous poster predicted. Nobody has predicted carnage And if you live in the borough you should know full well the cases are amongst the highest of any London Borough! "Had it not been for vaccines there would be carnage" Hungblackbull. He literally said that earlier today. "Highest among any London brough" you say. Im bot disputing your claim but PLEASE provide some evidence for us all to see. We should all be here to learn. Great misquote...I was clearly referring to Israel!!!! Please explain why the situation would be different in this country? Can you explain why 75% of people under 50 (in the UK) who are in hospital due to COVID are unvaccinated? that’s a very small number of people to choose from as 89% of the population over 16 are at least single jabbed But doesn't that prove the point that you are much more likely to end up in hospital if you haven't had even a single dose? not really that figure could have been the same either way. I cannot find the evidence either to support the argument that 75% of the people in hospital under 50 are unjabbed that could mean there’s only 4 people in hospital with covid under 50 and 3 of them are unjabbed. Who knows what reason those 3 may have for not having been jabbed ??? The figure isn’t the same ‘either way’ what it proves is that you are far more likely to end up in hospital with covid if you aren’t vaccinated but it doesn’t does it. With out actual numbers that % and age means nothing at all. It’s like saying 75% of people asked under 50shop at Tesco’s. Well how many people did you ask. There is absolutely nothing you can use that % to prove It’s based on hospital admission for COVID, very simple to understand? it is yes so please can I have a break down of the number of people in hospital by age range in ten year spaces from 16 upwards to 96. And for each age range can I please have the number for those who are unvaccinated. Then I can work out exactly what 75% of the unvaccinated under 50s is. Than you. This is as I mentioned becaus just giving a % with out a number is Usles. https://news.sky.com/story/covid-three-quarters-of-under-50s-in-hospital-with-coronavirus-are-unvaccinated-figures-reveal-12398321 The article shows that majority of people over 50 in hospital with Covid had received both jabs. 61% to be exact. That is true, which is a worry you are far more likely to be hospitalised if you are over 50 though, more of a concern is that there are more under 50s in hospital then over 50s But those figures actually show you are more likely to wind up in hospital if you are under 50. " Yep 9,472 hospital admissions of all ages 3,172 vaccinated 6,300 unvaccinated | |||
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"You stated that "The fact that not everyone is vaccinated makes increases the rate of case growth". How does that relate to what we're seeing in Isreal? The article demonstrates clearly that the most heavily vaccinated country is the world is the world's most infected country. Had it not been vaccinated it would have been carnage. As I have said, Israel hasn't had the restrictions for a while. They have re-introduced some I think. As I also mention, the vaccine reduces transmission rather than prevent. Also, Israel isn't the most vaccinated country in the world. In terms of vaccinations across all age groups, the UK has higher percentage fully vaccinated than Israel. So does Germany, Italy and Portugal. Uptake of the vaccine in various parts of London is extremely low. Boroughs like Tower Hamlets and Hackey stil have incredibly low uptake (have a look at the link below). Why haven't we seen carnage in those areas? I'm genuinely interested. https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/health/hackney-sees-low-vaccine-uptake-8094246 Tower hamlets and Hackney do have some of the highest covid rates in London though! Not according to this https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-54324244. Where did you get your figures from? Should that not be "when" did you get your figures from? That article is 1st March... Thank you I was just about to say that I live in a neighbouring Borough, also see the figures on the local news. I live inside the Borough and I haven't seen the carnage the previous poster predicted. Nobody has predicted carnage And if you live in the borough you should know full well the cases are amongst the highest of any London Borough! "Had it not been for vaccines there would be carnage" Hungblackbull. He literally said that earlier today. "Highest among any London brough" you say. Im bot disputing your claim but PLEASE provide some evidence for us all to see. We should all be here to learn. Great misquote...I was clearly referring to Israel!!!! Please explain why the situation would be different in this country? Can you explain why 75% of people under 50 (in the UK) who are in hospital due to COVID are unvaccinated? that’s a very small number of people to choose from as 89% of the population over 16 are at least single jabbed But doesn't that prove the point that you are much more likely to end up in hospital if you haven't had even a single dose? not really that figure could have been the same either way. I cannot find the evidence either to support the argument that 75% of the people in hospital under 50 are unjabbed that could mean there’s only 4 people in hospital with covid under 50 and 3 of them are unjabbed. Who knows what reason those 3 may have for not having been jabbed ??? It doesn't matter what their reasons are and it doesn't matter if it's only four people and 3 of them haven't had the vaccine it's still proves the point that you are more likely to end up in hospital if you haven't had the vaccine. I’m sorry but it does not those 3 people may not have had the vaccine due to underlying health conditions which prevent them from having it but also increase their chances of falling seriously ill and requiring hopital treatment ( which I may add could be just for 24hrs ). What I’m say is with out all the figures and information throwing out a 75% figure when 89% of the adult population is at least single jabbed is pointless. Imagibe going for a business loan and saying 75% of people I asked want my product without stating how many people you asked you’d be laughed at https://news.sky.com/story/covid-three-quarters-of-under-50s-in-hospital-with-coronavirus-are-unvaccinated-figures-reveal-12398321 9,472 Admited in last 7 days 5,098 Admited under 50 From sky news not a scientific report or outlet. And if you break that down to 75% it does not give you a overal figure of 3 times more likely to end up in hospital. Please find the data from the gov or scientific out let. 61% of over 50s double jabbed ended up in hospital with covid " Data released by public health England  | |||
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"You stated that "The fact that not everyone is vaccinated makes increases the rate of case growth". How does that relate to what we're seeing in Isreal? The article demonstrates clearly that the most heavily vaccinated country is the world is the world's most infected country. Had it not been vaccinated it would have been carnage. As I have said, Israel hasn't had the restrictions for a while. They have re-introduced some I think. As I also mention, the vaccine reduces transmission rather than prevent. Also, Israel isn't the most vaccinated country in the world. In terms of vaccinations across all age groups, the UK has higher percentage fully vaccinated than Israel. So does Germany, Italy and Portugal. Uptake of the vaccine in various parts of London is extremely low. Boroughs like Tower Hamlets and Hackey stil have incredibly low uptake (have a look at the link below). Why haven't we seen carnage in those areas? I'm genuinely interested. https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/health/hackney-sees-low-vaccine-uptake-8094246 Tower hamlets and Hackney do have some of the highest covid rates in London though! Not according to this https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-54324244. Where did you get your figures from? Should that not be "when" did you get your figures from? That article is 1st March... Thank you I was just about to say that I live in a neighbouring Borough, also see the figures on the local news. I live inside the Borough and I haven't seen the carnage the previous poster predicted. Nobody has predicted carnage And if you live in the borough you should know full well the cases are amongst the highest of any London Borough! "Had it not been for vaccines there would be carnage" Hungblackbull. He literally said that earlier today. "Highest among any London brough" you say. Im bot disputing your claim but PLEASE provide some evidence for us all to see. We should all be here to learn. Great misquote...I was clearly referring to Israel!!!! Please explain why the situation would be different in this country? Can you explain why 75% of people under 50 (in the UK) who are in hospital due to COVID are unvaccinated? that’s a very small number of people to choose from as 89% of the population over 16 are at least single jabbed But doesn't that prove the point that you are much more likely to end up in hospital if you haven't had even a single dose? not really that figure could have been the same either way. I cannot find the evidence either to support the argument that 75% of the people in hospital under 50 are unjabbed that could mean there’s only 4 people in hospital with covid under 50 and 3 of them are unjabbed. Who knows what reason those 3 may have for not having been jabbed ??? It doesn't matter what their reasons are and it doesn't matter if it's only four people and 3 of them haven't had the vaccine it's still proves the point that you are more likely to end up in hospital if you haven't had the vaccine. I’m sorry but it does not those 3 people may not have had the vaccine due to underlying health conditions which prevent them from having it but also increase their chances of falling seriously ill and requiring hopital treatment ( which I may add could be just for 24hrs ). What I’m say is with out all the figures and information throwing out a 75% figure when 89% of the adult population is at least single jabbed is pointless. Imagibe going for a business loan and saying 75% of people I asked want my product without stating how many people you asked you’d be laughed at https://news.sky.com/story/covid-three-quarters-of-under-50s-in-hospital-with-coronavirus-are-unvaccinated-figures-reveal-12398321 9,472 Admited in last 7 days 5,098 Admited under 50 From sky news not a scientific report or outlet. And if you break that down to 75% it does not give you a overal figure of 3 times more likely to end up in hospital. Please find the data from the gov or scientific out let. 61% of over 50s double jabbed ended up in hospital with covid " Instead of demanding why don't you read it properly and you would know the information came from the NHS and the ONS it haa just been reported on sky news. | |||
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"You stated that "The fact that not everyone is vaccinated makes increases the rate of case growth". How does that relate to what we're seeing in Isreal? The article demonstrates clearly that the most heavily vaccinated country is the world is the world's most infected country. Had it not been vaccinated it would have been carnage. As I have said, Israel hasn't had the restrictions for a while. They have re-introduced some I think. As I also mention, the vaccine reduces transmission rather than prevent. Also, Israel isn't the most vaccinated country in the world. In terms of vaccinations across all age groups, the UK has higher percentage fully vaccinated than Israel. So does Germany, Italy and Portugal. Uptake of the vaccine in various parts of London is extremely low. Boroughs like Tower Hamlets and Hackey stil have incredibly low uptake (have a look at the link below). Why haven't we seen carnage in those areas? I'm genuinely interested. https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/health/hackney-sees-low-vaccine-uptake-8094246 Tower hamlets and Hackney do have some of the highest covid rates in London though! Not according to this https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-54324244. Where did you get your figures from? Should that not be "when" did you get your figures from? That article is 1st March... Thank you I was just about to say that I live in a neighbouring Borough, also see the figures on the local news. I live inside the Borough and I haven't seen the carnage the previous poster predicted. Nobody has predicted carnage And if you live in the borough you should know full well the cases are amongst the highest of any London Borough! "Had it not been for vaccines there would be carnage" Hungblackbull. He literally said that earlier today. "Highest among any London brough" you say. Im bot disputing your claim but PLEASE provide some evidence for us all to see. We should all be here to learn. Great misquote...I was clearly referring to Israel!!!! Please explain why the situation would be different in this country? Can you explain why 75% of people under 50 (in the UK) who are in hospital due to COVID are unvaccinated? that’s a very small number of people to choose from as 89% of the population over 16 are at least single jabbed But doesn't that prove the point that you are much more likely to end up in hospital if you haven't had even a single dose? not really that figure could have been the same either way. I cannot find the evidence either to support the argument that 75% of the people in hospital under 50 are unjabbed that could mean there’s only 4 people in hospital with covid under 50 and 3 of them are unjabbed. Who knows what reason those 3 may have for not having been jabbed ??? It doesn't matter what their reasons are and it doesn't matter if it's only four people and 3 of them haven't had the vaccine it's still proves the point that you are more likely to end up in hospital if you haven't had the vaccine. I’m sorry but it does not those 3 people may not have had the vaccine due to underlying health conditions which prevent them from having it but also increase their chances of falling seriously ill and requiring hopital treatment ( which I may add could be just for 24hrs ). What I’m say is with out all the figures and information throwing out a 75% figure when 89% of the adult population is at least single jabbed is pointless. Imagibe going for a business loan and saying 75% of people I asked want my product without stating how many people you asked you’d be laughed at https://news.sky.com/story/covid-three-quarters-of-under-50s-in-hospital-with-coronavirus-are-unvaccinated-figures-reveal-12398321 9,472 Admited in last 7 days 5,098 Admited under 50 From sky news not a scientific report or outlet. And if you break that down to 75% it does not give you a overal figure of 3 times more likely to end up in hospital. Please find the data from the gov or scientific out let. 61% of over 50s double jabbed ended up in hospital with covid " It does if your under 50, | |||
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"You stated that "The fact that not everyone is vaccinated makes increases the rate of case growth". How does that relate to what we're seeing in Isreal? The article demonstrates clearly that the most heavily vaccinated country is the world is the world's most infected country. Had it not been vaccinated it would have been carnage. As I have said, Israel hasn't had the restrictions for a while. They have re-introduced some I think. As I also mention, the vaccine reduces transmission rather than prevent. Also, Israel isn't the most vaccinated country in the world. In terms of vaccinations across all age groups, the UK has higher percentage fully vaccinated than Israel. So does Germany, Italy and Portugal. Uptake of the vaccine in various parts of London is extremely low. Boroughs like Tower Hamlets and Hackey stil have incredibly low uptake (have a look at the link below). Why haven't we seen carnage in those areas? I'm genuinely interested. https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/health/hackney-sees-low-vaccine-uptake-8094246 Tower hamlets and Hackney do have some of the highest covid rates in London though! Not according to this https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-54324244. Where did you get your figures from? Should that not be "when" did you get your figures from? That article is 1st March... Thank you I was just about to say that I live in a neighbouring Borough, also see the figures on the local news. I live inside the Borough and I haven't seen the carnage the previous poster predicted. Nobody has predicted carnage And if you live in the borough you should know full well the cases are amongst the highest of any London Borough! "Had it not been for vaccines there would be carnage" Hungblackbull. He literally said that earlier today. "Highest among any London brough" you say. Im bot disputing your claim but PLEASE provide some evidence for us all to see. We should all be here to learn. Great misquote...I was clearly referring to Israel!!!! Please explain why the situation would be different in this country? Can you explain why 75% of people under 50 (in the UK) who are in hospital due to COVID are unvaccinated? that’s a very small number of people to choose from as 89% of the population over 16 are at least single jabbed But doesn't that prove the point that you are much more likely to end up in hospital if you haven't had even a single dose? not really that figure could have been the same either way. I cannot find the evidence either to support the argument that 75% of the people in hospital under 50 are unjabbed that could mean there’s only 4 people in hospital with covid under 50 and 3 of them are unjabbed. Who knows what reason those 3 may have for not having been jabbed ??? The figure isn’t the same ‘either way’ what it proves is that you are far more likely to end up in hospital with covid if you aren’t vaccinated but it doesn’t does it. With out actual numbers that % and age means nothing at all. It’s like saying 75% of people asked under 50shop at Tesco’s. Well how many people did you ask. There is absolutely nothing you can use that % to prove It’s based on hospital admission for COVID, very simple to understand? it is yes so please can I have a break down of the number of people in hospital by age range in ten year spaces from 16 upwards to 96. And for each age range can I please have the number for those who are unvaccinated. Then I can work out exactly what 75% of the unvaccinated under 50s is. Than you. This is as I mentioned becaus just giving a % with out a number is Usles. I don’t have the numbers and I am sure you know how to use google? If you are under 50 and unvaccinated you are 3 times more likely to end up in hospital than a person who is vaccinated? I assume that you aren’t vaccinated and don’t think the vaccines are effective you are very wrong to assume my friend. What I hate is figures being minuplated to support a specific agenda and then reused by them that don’t really understand them. My apologies, so you are vaccinated and you do think the vaccines are effective? " I said your wrong to assume. I feel the vaccine has a place yes but I feel it should be a choice and I do not like manipulative behaviour | |||
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"You stated that "The fact that not everyone is vaccinated makes increases the rate of case growth". How does that relate to what we're seeing in Isreal? The article demonstrates clearly that the most heavily vaccinated country is the world is the world's most infected country. Had it not been vaccinated it would have been carnage. As I have said, Israel hasn't had the restrictions for a while. They have re-introduced some I think. As I also mention, the vaccine reduces transmission rather than prevent. Also, Israel isn't the most vaccinated country in the world. In terms of vaccinations across all age groups, the UK has higher percentage fully vaccinated than Israel. So does Germany, Italy and Portugal. Uptake of the vaccine in various parts of London is extremely low. Boroughs like Tower Hamlets and Hackey stil have incredibly low uptake (have a look at the link below). Why haven't we seen carnage in those areas? I'm genuinely interested. https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/health/hackney-sees-low-vaccine-uptake-8094246 Tower hamlets and Hackney do have some of the highest covid rates in London though! Not according to this https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-54324244. Where did you get your figures from? Should that not be "when" did you get your figures from? That article is 1st March... Thank you I was just about to say that I live in a neighbouring Borough, also see the figures on the local news. I live inside the Borough and I haven't seen the carnage the previous poster predicted. Nobody has predicted carnage And if you live in the borough you should know full well the cases are amongst the highest of any London Borough! "Had it not been for vaccines there would be carnage" Hungblackbull. He literally said that earlier today. "Highest among any London brough" you say. Im bot disputing your claim but PLEASE provide some evidence for us all to see. We should all be here to learn. Great misquote...I was clearly referring to Israel!!!! Please explain why the situation would be different in this country? Can you explain why 75% of people under 50 (in the UK) who are in hospital due to COVID are unvaccinated? that’s a very small number of people to choose from as 89% of the population over 16 are at least single jabbed But doesn't that prove the point that you are much more likely to end up in hospital if you haven't had even a single dose? not really that figure could have been the same either way. I cannot find the evidence either to support the argument that 75% of the people in hospital under 50 are unjabbed that could mean there’s only 4 people in hospital with covid under 50 and 3 of them are unjabbed. Who knows what reason those 3 may have for not having been jabbed ??? It doesn't matter what their reasons are and it doesn't matter if it's only four people and 3 of them haven't had the vaccine it's still proves the point that you are more likely to end up in hospital if you haven't had the vaccine. I’m sorry but it does not those 3 people may not have had the vaccine due to underlying health conditions which prevent them from having it but also increase their chances of falling seriously ill and requiring hopital treatment ( which I may add could be just for 24hrs ). What I’m say is with out all the figures and information throwing out a 75% figure when 89% of the adult population is at least single jabbed is pointless. Imagibe going for a business loan and saying 75% of people I asked want my product without stating how many people you asked you’d be laughed at https://news.sky.com/story/covid-three-quarters-of-under-50s-in-hospital-with-coronavirus-are-unvaccinated-figures-reveal-12398321 9,472 Admited in last 7 days 5,098 Admited under 50 From sky news not a scientific report or outlet. And if you break that down to 75% it does not give you a overal figure of 3 times more likely to end up in hospital. Please find the data from the gov or scientific out let. 61% of over 50s double jabbed ended up in hospital with covid " I don't have the UK or English figures but I do have figures for Scotland. In the 50-59 age group, 95% are double vaxed. All age groups above that are 99.x%. I think it's safe to therefore say 99% above 50 are vaxed. Given that just 1% of the over 50s contribute to 39% of hospital admissions, can you please explain why the vaccine isn't fckin marvellous? | |||
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