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"Can I ask if anyone else in favour of vaccines, is getting unpleasant messages from people who are against the vaccine? I have blocked the person and reported it to admin. But I was wondering if other people are getting targeted in a similar way ? " I’ve been the subject of this - but the other way round. I’m not anti vax but I’m unvaccinated and have had MULTIPLE messages from pro-vax fanatics!! | |||
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"Can I ask if anyone else in favour of vaccines, is getting unpleasant messages from people who are against the vaccine? I have blocked the person and reported it to admin. But I was wondering if other people are getting targeted in a similar way ? " Yes same. I told him to go away. Nothing to report him for, just a very strange person. | |||
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"Can I ask if anyone else in favour of vaccines, is getting unpleasant messages from people who are against the vaccine? I have blocked the person and reported it to admin. But I was wondering if other people are getting targeted in a similar way ? I’ve been the subject of this - but the other way round. I’m not anti vax but I’m unvaccinated and have had MULTIPLE messages from pro-vax fanatics!! " I am genuinely sorry to hear that. My personal view, although I am very much in favour, is that it should be up to each individual to make their own mind up providing they have accurate information. | |||
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"Can we have a bit of context to messages. " The message to me started with the usual "it's experminental". Then continued with incorrect facts regarding its safety, suggesting I was in the wrong speaking positively about the vaccine. I did find it challenging and upsetting. I am aware that the PM may have affected me more than others, as I've explained how my ex husband nearly died and I had to sit down with my 24 year old son, to discuss how I'd help him organise things if his dad died, as the hospital didn't expect him to survive. But this person does not appear to be posting replies in the forum openly and I consider contacting me privately to be inappropriate. Hence why I wondered if this was a common occurrence. | |||
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"Can I ask if anyone else in favour of vaccines, is getting unpleasant messages from people who are against the vaccine? I have blocked the person and reported it to admin. But I was wondering if other people are getting targeted in a similar way ? " Had one about some fella in kerry dying from the vaccine after we put up we had been vaccinated. Quickly blocked them. Don't see the need to engage with them as engage enough with them on social media. | |||
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"Can I ask if anyone else in favour of vaccines, is getting unpleasant messages from people who are against the vaccine? I have blocked the person and reported it to admin. But I was wondering if other people are getting targeted in a similar way ? " yes i have had private messages calling me a moron for supporting the vaccine program the irony of it.  | |||
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"I've had a few from the antis and a few from the pros... I get more from the it's all about control etc which tend to be a bit abusive. Not really what I had in mind when someone said... Join the forums.. Its a great way to make new friends! " Yep it's a control thing. There was a post the other day, and if you followed the replies it looked like six of them were having a group wank in the same room, aggressively mastebating on who to belittle next. If someone has to privately message you to get thier point accross then they have automatically lost any debate. It's a cowards tactic and shows thier level of intelect regardless of how well worded the message may be. | |||
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"Can I ask if anyone else in favour of vaccines, is getting unpleasant messages from people who are against the vaccine? I have blocked the person and reported it to admin. But I was wondering if other people are getting targeted in a similar way ? I’ve been the subject of this - but the other way round. I’m not anti vax but I’m unvaccinated and have had MULTIPLE messages from pro-vax fanatics!! " Just proves that there are always idiots and zealots on either side of any fence. | |||
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"Can I ask if anyone else in favour of vaccines, is getting unpleasant messages from people who are against the vaccine? I have blocked the person and reported it to admin. But I was wondering if other people are getting targeted in a similar way ? " Yep have had it a few times. They send nonsense links they clearly havent read or understood and think they've proven vaccines don't work/are experimental/are less effective than catching covid etc... | |||
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"Can I ask if anyone else in favour of vaccines, is getting unpleasant messages from people who are against the vaccine? I have blocked the person and reported it to admin. But I was wondering if other people are getting targeted in a similar way ? I’ve been the subject of this - but the other way round. I’m not anti vax but I’m unvaccinated and have had MULTIPLE messages from pro-vax fanatics!! Just proves that there are always idiots and zealots on either side of any fence." If you have turned down the vaccine, you are against the vaccine (unless medically exempt). You clearly have no desire for others to get the vaccine given your opposition to having it but dont want to be thought of as ignorant or a lunatic. Nothing wrong with being a zealot when you are right. It's zealots who are wrong who do the damage | |||
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"Can I ask if anyone else in favour of vaccines, is getting unpleasant messages from people who are against the vaccine? I have blocked the person and reported it to admin. But I was wondering if other people are getting targeted in a similar way ? I’ve been the subject of this - but the other way round. I’m not anti vax but I’m unvaccinated and have had MULTIPLE messages from pro-vax fanatics!! Just proves that there are always idiots and zealots on either side of any fence." I think being passionate about something can be good and can be very attractive... I'm still new to the social meedjer stuff and I find the abuse and misinformation really toxic, possibly even dangerous at times... Of course it can be fun too but one seems to go alongside the other. | |||
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"Can I ask if anyone else in favour of vaccines, is getting unpleasant messages from people who are against the vaccine? I have blocked the person and reported it to admin. But I was wondering if other people are getting targeted in a similar way ? " I've had a few in the past, or sending me links to bonkers websites, proving how "Bill Gates has the patent on Covid-19" or "5G is being used to control the minds of everyone who has been jabbed"... It's actually hilarious what some people believe. I generally just report and block. The strangest thing though is that the people sending the messages don't even post on the forums that they message from. Cal | |||
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"Can I ask if anyone else in favour of vaccines, is getting unpleasant messages from people who are against the vaccine? I have blocked the person and reported it to admin. But I was wondering if other people are getting targeted in a similar way ? I’ve been the subject of this - but the other way round. I’m not anti vax but I’m unvaccinated and have had MULTIPLE messages from pro-vax fanatics!! Just proves that there are always idiots and zealots on either side of any fence. If you have turned down the vaccine, you are against the vaccine (unless medically exempt). You clearly have no desire for others to get the vaccine given your opposition to having it but dont want to be thought of as ignorant or a lunatic. Nothing wrong with being a zealot when you are right. It's zealots who are wrong who do the damage" I don't think anybody has the right to bully or aggressively push their views onto others. Being vaccinated isn't a magic bullet, there's plenty of people who think being vaccinated gives them invincibility and plenty who aren't vaccinated who take sensible precautions. And obviously vice-versa. I think its up to individuals to do what's right for them and people are free to express their views on a public forum without private, personal attack or spamming. | |||
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"Can I ask if anyone else in favour of vaccines, is getting unpleasant messages from people who are against the vaccine? I have blocked the person and reported it to admin. But I was wondering if other people are getting targeted in a similar way ? I’ve been the subject of this - but the other way round. I’m not anti vax but I’m unvaccinated and have had MULTIPLE messages from pro-vax fanatics!! Just proves that there are always idiots and zealots on either side of any fence. If you have turned down the vaccine, you are against the vaccine (unless medically exempt). You clearly have no desire for others to get the vaccine given your opposition to having it but dont want to be thought of as ignorant or a lunatic. Nothing wrong with being a zealot when you are right. It's zealots who are wrong who do the damage I don't think anybody has the right to bully or aggressively push their views onto others. Being vaccinated isn't a magic bullet, there's plenty of people who think being vaccinated gives them invincibility and plenty who aren't vaccinated who take sensible precautions. And obviously vice-versa. I think its up to individuals to do what's right for them and people are free to express their views on a public forum without private, personal attack or spamming."  | |||
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"Can I ask if anyone else in favour of vaccines, is getting unpleasant messages from people who are against the vaccine? I have blocked the person and reported it to admin. But I was wondering if other people are getting targeted in a similar way ? I’ve been the subject of this - but the other way round. I’m not anti vax but I’m unvaccinated and have had MULTIPLE messages from pro-vax fanatics!! Just proves that there are always idiots and zealots on either side of any fence. If you have turned down the vaccine, you are against the vaccine (unless medically exempt). You clearly have no desire for others to get the vaccine given your opposition to having it but dont want to be thought of as ignorant or a lunatic. Nothing wrong with being a zealot when you are right. It's zealots who are wrong who do the damage" This is exactly the type of message I received. FYI couldn’t give a fuck if people have the vaccine or not. Your body, your choice | |||
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"Abuse from anyone shouldn't be sent or be acceptable in any circumstances. I'm not anti jabs I've had many, by definition I'm not anti vax(er) I'm not anti the covid jab. I'll wager good money that the majority of people who have not had the covid jab have had jabs previously. By definition not anti vax(ers) Its media driven and negative by conotation, if you wish to label people please find a better term." Having had jabs before and not having jabs this time just makes you newly anti-vax. You get grouped with them because you are a denomination of the anti vax community who say silly things like this vaccine is EXPERIMENTAL or lack LONG TERM DATA with no idea why these arguments are complete nonsense | |||
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"Can I ask if anyone else in favour of vaccines, is getting unpleasant messages from people who are against the vaccine? I have blocked the person and reported it to admin. But I was wondering if other people are getting targeted in a similar way ? I’ve been the subject of this - but the other way round. I’m not anti vax but I’m unvaccinated and have had MULTIPLE messages from pro-vax fanatics!! Just proves that there are always idiots and zealots on either side of any fence. If you have turned down the vaccine, you are against the vaccine (unless medically exempt). You clearly have no desire for others to get the vaccine given your opposition to having it but dont want to be thought of as ignorant or a lunatic. Nothing wrong with being a zealot when you are right. It's zealots who are wrong who do the damage This is exactly the type of message I received. FYI couldn’t give a fuck if people have the vaccine or not. Your body, your choice "If hardly anyone had the vaccine then those people would care greatly about the behaviour of others. Its alstrange not to care what others choose to do when this is about transmission and collectively lowering the rates. If you choose not to help lower transmission rates then i choose to care in the form of being annoyed at you | |||
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"Abuse from anyone shouldn't be sent or be acceptable in any circumstances. I'm not anti jabs I've had many, by definition I'm not anti vax(er) I'm not anti the covid jab. I'll wager good money that the majority of people who have not had the covid jab have had jabs previously. By definition not anti vax(ers) Its media driven and negative by conotation, if you wish to label people please find a better term. Having had jabs before and not having jabs this time just makes you newly anti-vax. You get grouped with them because you are a denomination of the anti vax community who say silly things like this vaccine is EXPERIMENTAL or lack LONG TERM DATA with no idea why these arguments are complete nonsense" Makes me none of the sort,  I take all drugs having assesed the pro v con.. all were voluntary and none I declined came with an "anti" label
Did you call folk anti vax when they didn't take up other jabs ? Doubt it. 
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first of all the took the flu vaccine and simply (ok maybe not that simply) redefined it with the antibodies of the man who first had it. They started on the vaccine in January 2020 before it seemingly reached the UK | |||
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"Its media driven and negative by conotation, if you wish to label people please find a better term." OK, “pro-disease” it is then. | |||
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"Abuse from anyone shouldn't be sent or be acceptable in any circumstances. I'm not anti jabs I've had many, by definition I'm not anti vax(er) I'm not anti the covid jab. I'll wager good money that the majority of people who have not had the covid jab have had jabs previously. By definition not anti vax(ers) Its media driven and negative by conotation, if you wish to label people please find a better term. Having had jabs before and not having jabs this time just makes you newly anti-vax. You get grouped with them because you are a denomination of the anti vax community who say silly things like this vaccine is EXPERIMENTAL or lack LONG TERM DATA with no idea why these arguments are complete nonsense Makes me none of the sort, I take all drugs having assesed the pro v con.. all were voluntary and none I declined came with an "anti" label
Did you call folk anti vax when they didn't take up other jabs ? Doubt it.
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"The term anti vax has existed in various forms since Jenner. *Shrug* | |||
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"Can I ask if anyone else in favour of vaccines, is getting unpleasant messages from people who are against the vaccine? I have blocked the person and reported it to admin. But I was wondering if other people are getting targeted in a similar way ? I’ve been the subject of this - but the other way round. I’m not anti vax but I’m unvaccinated and have had MULTIPLE messages from pro-vax fanatics!! Just proves that there are always idiots and zealots on either side of any fence. If you have turned down the vaccine, you are against the vaccine (unless medically exempt). You clearly have no desire for others to get the vaccine given your opposition to having it but dont want to be thought of as ignorant or a lunatic. Nothing wrong with being a zealot when you are right. It's zealots who are wrong who do the damage I don't think anybody has the right to bully or aggressively push their views onto others. Being vaccinated isn't a magic bullet, there's plenty of people who think being vaccinated gives them invincibility and plenty who aren't vaccinated who take sensible precautions. And obviously vice-versa. I think its up to individuals to do what's right for them and people are free to express their views on a public forum without private, personal attack or spamming." spot on.
“If you have turned down the vaccine, you are against the vaccine”
I’m sorry but no. It really isn’t black and white. That kind of binary argument is IMO exactly what is wrong with social media.
There are still plenty of people who are simply vaccine hesitant, about Covid vaccines. They have had other older established vaccines. They genuinely hope the covid vaccines are ok (long term) and once they have sufficient confidence, they will have the jab. | |||
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"Can I ask if anyone else in favour of vaccines, is getting unpleasant messages from people who are against the vaccine? I have blocked the person and reported it to admin. But I was wondering if other people are getting targeted in a similar way ? I’ve been the subject of this - but the other way round. I’m not anti vax but I’m unvaccinated and have had MULTIPLE messages from pro-vax fanatics!! Just proves that there are always idiots and zealots on either side of any fence. If you have turned down the vaccine, you are against the vaccine (unless medically exempt). You clearly have no desire for others to get the vaccine given your opposition to having it but dont want to be thought of as ignorant or a lunatic. Nothing wrong with being a zealot when you are right. It's zealots who are wrong who do the damage I don't think anybody has the right to bully or aggressively push their views onto others. Being vaccinated isn't a magic bullet, there's plenty of people who think being vaccinated gives them invincibility and plenty who aren't vaccinated who take sensible precautions. And obviously vice-versa. I think its up to individuals to do what's right for them and people are free to express their views on a public forum without private, personal attack or spamming. spot on.
“If you have turned down the vaccine, you are against the vaccine”
I’m sorry but no. It really isn’t black and white. That kind of binary argument is IMO exactly what is wrong with social media.
There are still plenty of people who are simply vaccine hesitant, about Covid vaccines. They have had other older established vaccines. They genuinely hope the covid vaccines are ok (long term) and once they have sufficient confidence, they will have the jab. "But an abusive "antivax" is so easy to say... "I agree with vaccines in general but I'm Covid vaccine hesitant" is way too many letters. | |||
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"Can I ask if anyone else in favour of vaccines, is getting unpleasant messages from people who are against the vaccine? I have blocked the person and reported it to admin. But I was wondering if other people are getting targeted in a similar way ? I’ve been the subject of this - but the other way round. I’m not anti vax but I’m unvaccinated and have had MULTIPLE messages from pro-vax fanatics!! Just proves that there are always idiots and zealots on either side of any fence. If you have turned down the vaccine, you are against the vaccine (unless medically exempt). You clearly have no desire for others to get the vaccine given your opposition to having it but dont want to be thought of as ignorant or a lunatic. Nothing wrong with being a zealot when you are right. It's zealots who are wrong who do the damage I don't think anybody has the right to bully or aggressively push their views onto others. Being vaccinated isn't a magic bullet, there's plenty of people who think being vaccinated gives them invincibility and plenty who aren't vaccinated who take sensible precautions. And obviously vice-versa. I think its up to individuals to do what's right for them and people are free to express their views on a public forum without private, personal attack or spamming. spot on.
“If you have turned down the vaccine, you are against the vaccine”
I’m sorry but no. It really isn’t black and white. That kind of binary argument is IMO exactly what is wrong with social media.
There are still plenty of people who are simply vaccine hesitant, about Covid vaccines. They have had other older established vaccines. They genuinely hope the covid vaccines are ok (long term) and once they have sufficient confidence, they will have the jab.
But an abusive "antivax" is so easy to say... "I agree with vaccines in general but I'm Covid vaccine hesitant" is way too many letters. "There is enough evidence. There is no mechanism for the vaccine to do any long term damage. It simply doesnt work like that. Being "vaccine hesitant" is a denomination of anti-vax and shows they have been sold on the propaganda and havent understood the facts | |||
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"We have received nasty messages from a male when I said I didn’t like wearing masks but would wear if mandated. He blocked us before we could even reply. Lily " Does anybody ‘like’ wearing masks though? We wear them regardless of what we like because they contribute to preventing the spread of the virus. | |||
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"Can I ask if anyone else in favour of vaccines, is getting unpleasant messages from people who are against the vaccine? I have blocked the person and reported it to admin. But I was wondering if other people are getting targeted in a similar way ? " Yes it happens a lot although not necessarily abusive, more trying to indoctrinate me into there way of thinking. They never post openly as everything they say has already been debunked. Although I've not experienced this elsewhere I'm led to believe that pressure groups of all types join sites/forums to push their agendas. It's basically guerilla marketing which doesn't expose them to mainstream ridicule but allows them access to people who they try to convert and recruit. | |||
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"We have received nasty messages from a male when I said I didn’t like wearing masks but would wear if mandated. He blocked us before we could even reply. Lily Does anybody ‘like’ wearing masks though? We wear them regardless of what we like because they contribute to preventing the spread of the virus." I like wearing a mask as i am self conscious about my teeth and i like having my facial expressions slightly obscured | |||
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"We have received nasty messages from a male when I said I didn’t like wearing masks but would wear if mandated. He blocked us before we could even reply. Lily Does anybody ‘like’ wearing masks though? We wear them regardless of what we like because they contribute to preventing the spread of the virus." Nope. Bloody hate wearing a mask. Hate the idea of potentially hurting others much more. | |||
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"Can I ask if anyone else in favour of vaccines, is getting unpleasant messages from people who are against the vaccine? I have blocked the person and reported it to admin. But I was wondering if other people are getting targeted in a similar way ? I’ve been the subject of this - but the other way round. I’m not anti vax but I’m unvaccinated and have had MULTIPLE messages from pro-vax fanatics!! Just proves that there are always idiots and zealots on either side of any fence. If you have turned down the vaccine, you are against the vaccine (unless medically exempt). You clearly have no desire for others to get the vaccine given your opposition to having it but dont want to be thought of as ignorant or a lunatic. Nothing wrong with being a zealot when you are right. It's zealots who are wrong who do the damage I don't think anybody has the right to bully or aggressively push their views onto others. Being vaccinated isn't a magic bullet, there's plenty of people who think being vaccinated gives them invincibility and plenty who aren't vaccinated who take sensible precautions. And obviously vice-versa. I think its up to individuals to do what's right for them and people are free to express their views on a public forum without private, personal attack or spamming. spot on.
“If you have turned down the vaccine, you are against the vaccine”
I’m sorry but no. It really isn’t black and white. That kind of binary argument is IMO exactly what is wrong with social media.
There are still plenty of people who are simply vaccine hesitant, about Covid vaccines. They have had other older established vaccines. They genuinely hope the covid vaccines are ok (long term) and once they have sufficient confidence, they will have the jab. "The argument of having done older established vaccines and not being an antivaxxer does not cut it really. For the past 10 months the debate vax - antivax centers in one issue only: The covid vaccine. Not the flu or other vaccine. It does not even center on the mRNA vs traditional vaccine. If it was not for the pandemic, most people would not even bother to enter into an argument about vaccines. If someone is covid vaccine hesitant and borrows arguments or is influenced by arguments of antivaxxers what does this make this person? An antivaxxer. I have a best friend who is very clever but has been influenced by this antivax propaganda. She has done all the normal vaccines and she and her mother belong to high risk groups. She brought her mother to have the covid vaccine but she is hesitant. She says things such as from her friends who got covid noone had bad symptoms. She believes allegations from a friend of a friend who knows two people who got invermectin and got better. She thinks that by taking vitamin C and D supplements is building her immune system to fight covid better. She went to have the flu vaccine though. Is she an antivaxxer? Yes she is. Cause she has been affected big time for the information people are sharing on the social media. She believes about people, corporations and big pharmas trying to control people. In my opinion this pandemic (and the misinformation that comes with it) has created the new antivaxxer. The person who is affected by the info spread by other antivaxxers. The hesitancy sentiment may be masked as confusion caused by the governments, freedom rights etc but essentially if one is influenced or using arguments used by antivaxxers (old and new) that talk about new world order, global reset, control of the number of the world population is not just a vaccine hesitant. | |||
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"Tbh I think the label thing is a distraction, and some rusted on pre Covid vaccine deniers use it to try to legitimise their arguments. Some people are genuinely hesitant. Some are just pretending. (Not specifically anyone, just, this is a known phenomenon)" I believe they are some people who are genuinely hesitant. People who had a really bad reaction or know people who had really bad reaction to a vaccine. This is perfectly acceptable and logical. This is why I talk about the extent some people have been influenced by antivaxxers. By sharing sentiments of other antivaxxers are becoming even unconsciously part of the misinformation chain. | |||
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"Tbh I think the label thing is a distraction, and some rusted on pre Covid vaccine deniers use it to try to legitimise their arguments. Some people are genuinely hesitant. Some are just pretending. (Not specifically anyone, just, this is a known phenomenon) I believe they are some people who are genuinely hesitant. People who had a really bad reaction or know people who had really bad reaction to a vaccine. This is perfectly acceptable and logical. This is why I talk about the extent some people have been influenced by antivaxxers. By sharing sentiments of other antivaxxers are becoming even unconsciously part of the misinformation chain." Oh absolutely. But those who are further along the line than the hesitant, hide behind the hesitant. Which I think is pretty despicable. (Again, I'm discussing a cultural phenomenon, not anyone here) | |||
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"Can I ask if anyone else in favour of vaccines, is getting unpleasant messages from people who are against the vaccine? I have blocked the person and reported it to admin. But I was wondering if other people are getting targeted in a similar way ? I’ve been the subject of this - but the other way round. I’m not anti vax but I’m unvaccinated and have had MULTIPLE messages from pro-vax fanatics!! Just proves that there are always idiots and zealots on either side of any fence. If you have turned down the vaccine, you are against the vaccine (unless medically exempt). You clearly have no desire for others to get the vaccine given your opposition to having it but dont want to be thought of as ignorant or a lunatic. Nothing wrong with being a zealot when you are right. It's zealots who are wrong who do the damage I don't think anybody has the right to bully or aggressively push their views onto others. Being vaccinated isn't a magic bullet, there's plenty of people who think being vaccinated gives them invincibility and plenty who aren't vaccinated who take sensible precautions. And obviously vice-versa. I think its up to individuals to do what's right for them and people are free to express their views on a public forum without private, personal attack or spamming. spot on.
“If you have turned down the vaccine, you are against the vaccine”
I’m sorry but no. It really isn’t black and white. That kind of binary argument is IMO exactly what is wrong with social media.
There are still plenty of people who are simply vaccine hesitant, about Covid vaccines. They have had other older established vaccines. They genuinely hope the covid vaccines are ok (long term) and once they have sufficient confidence, they will have the jab.
The argument of having done older established vaccines and not being an antivaxxer does not cut it really.
For the past 10 months the debate vax - antivax centers in one issue only: The covid vaccine. Not the flu or other vaccine. It does not even center on the mRNA vs traditional vaccine. If it was not for the pandemic, most people would not even bother to enter into an argument about vaccines.
If someone is covid vaccine hesitant and borrows arguments or is influenced by arguments of antivaxxers what does this make this person? An antivaxxer.
I have a best friend who is very clever but has been influenced by this antivax propaganda. She has done all the normal vaccines and she and her mother belong to high risk groups. She brought her mother to have the covid vaccine but she is hesitant. She says things such as from her friends who got covid noone had bad symptoms. She believes allegations from a friend of a friend who knows two people who got invermectin and got better. She thinks that by taking vitamin C and D supplements is building her immune system to fight covid better. She went to have the flu vaccine though. Is she an antivaxxer?
Yes she is. Cause she has been affected big time for the information people are sharing on the social media. She believes about people, corporations and big pharmas trying to control people.
In my opinion this pandemic (and the misinformation that comes with it) has created the new antivaxxer. The person who is affected by the info spread by other antivaxxers.
The hesitancy sentiment may be masked as confusion caused by the governments, freedom rights etc but essentially if one is influenced or using arguments used by antivaxxers (old and new) that talk about new world order, global reset, control of the number of the world population is not just a vaccine hesitant.
"I remember the furore around the mmr jab (caused by Dr Wakefield) that resulted in masses of people not giving their children the mmr jab, It was headline news (based on later disproven information), pretty sure anti vax wasn't used about those folks.
You can label folk as you will, this was started in the media and taken on by others , I'll put a pound against a pinch of poo the label won't change anyones minds,
Just like the mmr trust needs to be established or the possibilities are that many different jabs are impacted going forward like post mmr. | |||
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"Can I ask if anyone else in favour of vaccines, is getting unpleasant messages from people who are against the vaccine? I have blocked the person and reported it to admin. But I was wondering if other people are getting targeted in a similar way ? I’ve been the subject of this - but the other way round. I’m not anti vax but I’m unvaccinated and have had MULTIPLE messages from pro-vax fanatics!! Just proves that there are always idiots and zealots on either side of any fence. If you have turned down the vaccine, you are against the vaccine (unless medically exempt). You clearly have no desire for others to get the vaccine given your opposition to having it but dont want to be thought of as ignorant or a lunatic. Nothing wrong with being a zealot when you are right. It's zealots who are wrong who do the damage I don't think anybody has the right to bully or aggressively push their views onto others. Being vaccinated isn't a magic bullet, there's plenty of people who think being vaccinated gives them invincibility and plenty who aren't vaccinated who take sensible precautions. And obviously vice-versa. I think its up to individuals to do what's right for them and people are free to express their views on a public forum without private, personal attack or spamming. spot on.
“If you have turned down the vaccine, you are against the vaccine”
I’m sorry but no. It really isn’t black and white. That kind of binary argument is IMO exactly what is wrong with social media.
There are still plenty of people who are simply vaccine hesitant, about Covid vaccines. They have had other older established vaccines. They genuinely hope the covid vaccines are ok (long term) and once they have sufficient confidence, they will have the jab.
The argument of having done older established vaccines and not being an antivaxxer does not cut it really.
For the past 10 months the debate vax - antivax centers in one issue only: The covid vaccine. Not the flu or other vaccine. It does not even center on the mRNA vs traditional vaccine. If it was not for the pandemic, most people would not even bother to enter into an argument about vaccines.
If someone is covid vaccine hesitant and borrows arguments or is influenced by arguments of antivaxxers what does this make this person? An antivaxxer.
I have a best friend who is very clever but has been influenced by this antivax propaganda. She has done all the normal vaccines and she and her mother belong to high risk groups. She brought her mother to have the covid vaccine but she is hesitant. She says things such as from her friends who got covid noone had bad symptoms. She believes allegations from a friend of a friend who knows two people who got invermectin and got better. She thinks that by taking vitamin C and D supplements is building her immune system to fight covid better. She went to have the flu vaccine though. Is she an antivaxxer?
Yes she is. Cause she has been affected big time for the information people are sharing on the social media. She believes about people, corporations and big pharmas trying to control people.
In my opinion this pandemic (and the misinformation that comes with it) has created the new antivaxxer. The person who is affected by the info spread by other antivaxxers.
The hesitancy sentiment may be masked as confusion caused by the governments, freedom rights etc but essentially if one is influenced or using arguments used by antivaxxers (old and new) that talk about new world order, global reset, control of the number of the world population is not just a vaccine hesitant.
I remember the furore around the mmr jab (caused by Dr Wakefield) that resulted in masses of people not giving their children the mmr jab,
It was headline news (based on later disproven information), pretty sure anti vax wasn't used about those folks.
You can label folk as you will, this was started in the media and taken on by others , I'll put a pound against a pinch of poo the label won't change anyones minds,
Just like the mmr trust needs to be established or the possibilities are that many different jabs are impacted going forward like post mmr."I do not really thing it is a label. It is a term that has been used a lot more recently. It is becoming part of our dictionnary. And even if this label was not used during the mmr furore, there are still people who are against mmr. How would you label today people who are still against mmr? | |||
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"We've had messages from anti vaxxers and from pro vax people. While the anti vax ones haven't been exactly friendly in tone they haven't been abusive. Both sets of people are wasting their time because we are staunchly pro individual choice. " I suppose either side are indeed trying to influence your choices... I suppose you are saying that you will make your decision without talking to campaigners... Interesting. | |||
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"Can I ask if anyone else in favour of vaccines, is getting unpleasant messages from people who are against the vaccine? I have blocked the person and reported it to admin. But I was wondering if other people are getting targeted in a similar way ? I’ve been the subject of this - but the other way round. I’m not anti vax but I’m unvaccinated and have had MULTIPLE messages from pro-vax fanatics!! I am genuinely sorry to hear that. My personal view, although I am very much in favour, is that it should be up to each individual to make their own mind up providing they have accurate information. " But does not information come from talking to people as well? | |||
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"Tbh I think the label thing is a distraction, and some rusted on pre Covid vaccine deniers use it to try to legitimise their arguments. Some people are genuinely hesitant. Some are just pretending. (Not specifically anyone, just, this is a known phenomenon) I believe they are some people who are genuinely hesitant. People who had a really bad reaction or know people who had really bad reaction to a vaccine. This is perfectly acceptable and logical. This is why I talk about the extent some people have been influenced by antivaxxers. By sharing sentiments of other antivaxxers are becoming even unconsciously part of the misinformation chain." If you're interested, I'm mainly influenced by how insufferable pro-vaxx people are. The sheer indifference they display to gain of function research, government decisions that directly led to tens of thousands of deaths and sheer ignorance of how ineffectual and expensive the UK measures have been compared to other countries. At no point have I ever heard a provaxx person made any forecasts about covid that proved to be remotely accurate, the government models are an embarrassment that lack basic knowledge such as care homes relying heavily on agency staff. The truth is that the anti vaxxers have been far more useful in helping me make personal decisions over the last 18 months like delaying major financial purchases because they predicted how long this would drag on for when you guys were bleating about how the sooner everyone follows the rules, the sooner we'll be back to normal
Everytime the government fails, there's a scapegoat ready. Last year it was not that lockdowns didn't work, it was the people who broke the rules who ruined it. This year, it's not that the vaccine doesn't work very well, it's the fucking 7% of people who refused it sure it is.
Your delusions are laughable to anyone who can see them from the middle ground, but most of you are way too far gone. | |||
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"Tbh I think the label thing is a distraction, and some rusted on pre Covid vaccine deniers use it to try to legitimise their arguments. Some people are genuinely hesitant. Some are just pretending. (Not specifically anyone, just, this is a known phenomenon) I believe they are some people who are genuinely hesitant. People who had a really bad reaction or know people who had really bad reaction to a vaccine. This is perfectly acceptable and logical. This is why I talk about the extent some people have been influenced by antivaxxers. By sharing sentiments of other antivaxxers are becoming even unconsciously part of the misinformation chain. If you're interested, I'm mainly influenced by how insufferable pro-vaxx people are. The sheer indifference they display to gain of function research, government decisions that directly led to tens of thousands of deaths and sheer ignorance of how ineffectual and expensive the UK measures have been compared to other countries. At no point have I ever heard a provaxx person made any forecasts about covid that proved to be remotely accurate, the government models are an embarrassment that lack basic knowledge such as care homes relying heavily on agency staff. The truth is that the anti vaxxers have been far more useful in helping me make personal decisions over the last 18 months like delaying major financial purchases because they predicted how long this would drag on for when you guys were bleating about how the sooner everyone follows the rules, the sooner we'll be back to normal
Everytime the government fails, there's a scapegoat ready. Last year it was not that lockdowns didn't work, it was the people who broke the rules who ruined it. This year, it's not that the vaccine doesn't work very well, it's the fucking 7% of people who refused it sure it is.
Your delusions are laughable to anyone who can see them from the middle ground, but most of you are way too far gone."Seems to be a terrible way to make medical decisions, but you do you. | |||
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