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Very early days yet, more data needed comparing omicron to other variants.
This preprint publication sounds scary - a German group tested delta and omicron virus side by side against sera from Pfizer triple and double vaccinated individuals. For the triple vaccinated, two weeks afterwards, immune response was 10-fold lower for omicron compared to delta. For double vaccinated, 3 months later, about 30-fold lower response.
You can read the paper by doing a search-
Reduced Neutralization of SARS-CoV-2 Omicron Variant by Vaccine Sera and monoclonal antibodies |
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"Testing omicron for 3 months? When was Omicron first discovered? "
They are using serum from individuals Pfizer vaccinated, either two weeks or three months ago. These are then tested against either delta or omicron virus to see the strength of the immune response. |
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By *ldaCouple
over a year ago
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"And some bad news about hospital admissions doubling in a day in south Africa"
Where did you get this from? Everything I’ve seen indicates that at present there have been very few extra admissions in SA |
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By *anesjhCouple
over a year ago
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"And some bad news about hospital admissions doubling in a day in south Africa
Where did you get this from? Everything I’ve seen indicates that at present there have been very few extra admissions in SA"
Agreed...I've read the same. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"Testing omicron for 3 months? When was Omicron first discovered?
They are using serum from individuals Pfizer vaccinated, either two weeks or three months ago. These are then tested against either delta or omicron virus to see the strength of the immune response. "
That makes more sense now, thanks |
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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago
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"And some bad news about hospital admissions doubling in a day in south Africa
Where did you get this from? Everything I’ve seen indicates that at present there have been very few extra admissions in SA"
Bloomberg
South Africa’s Covid Hospital Admissions More Than Double
By Antony Sguazzin +Follow
December 7, 2021, 6:15 PM GMT
Updated on December 7, 2021, 6:24 PM GMT
The daily number of people admitted to hospital in South Africa with Covid-19 more than doubled on Tuesday from a day earlier.
According to the National Institute for Communicable Diseases 383 people have been admitted to hospital with the disease in the last 24 hours compared with 175 in the preceding period. |
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By *JCouple
over a year ago
Teesside |
"And some bad news about hospital admissions doubling in a day in south Africa
Where did you get this from? Everything I’ve seen indicates that at present there have been very few extra admissions in SA"
Chris whitty said the south Africa omicron lag is now up and hospital admissions are rising expotentially over there. The global science community is keeping a very close eye on the events in South Africa and its this info that has drove Boris to excute plan B now.
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"And some bad news about hospital admissions doubling in a day in south Africa
Where did you get this from? Everything I’ve seen indicates that at present there have been very few extra admissions in SA
Chris whitty said the south Africa omicron lag is now up and hospital admissions are rising expotentially over there. The global science community is keeping a very close eye on the events in South Africa and its this info that has drove Boris to excute plan B now.
KJ"
Yeah plan B was 100% executed because of omicon and Nothing to do with last years tory xmas party. |
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"It's a cold"
Hmmm..... never seen the common cold kill so many people or leave so many with lasting disabilities must have missed that for the past 43 years, but hey ho what does the scientific community know  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Very early days yet, more data needed comparing omicron to other variants.
This preprint publication sounds scary - a German group tested delta and omicron virus side by side against sera from Pfizer triple and double vaccinated individuals. For the triple vaccinated, two weeks afterwards, immune response was 10-fold lower for omicron compared to delta. For double vaccinated, 3 months later, about 30-fold lower response.
You can read the paper by doing a search-
Reduced Neutralization of SARS-CoV-2 Omicron Variant by Vaccine Sera and monoclonal antibodies"
Scary if you choose to believe it that way. Can you tell me what 10 or 30 times lower means in actual terms?
Because at the moment we have way more antibodies than are necessary (which is how you’re able to prevent symptoms).
If they reduce that doesn’t mean anything unless we know what the first figure and last figure are.
Also they said that the vaccine wouldn’t work against delta and then it turned out to only have a 3% impact on the efficacy
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"And some bad news about hospital admissions doubling in a day in south Africa
Where did you get this from? Everything I’ve seen indicates that at present there have been very few extra admissions in SA
Bloomberg
South Africa’s Covid Hospital Admissions More Than Double
By Antony Sguazzin +Follow
December 7, 2021, 6:15 PM GMT
Updated on December 7, 2021, 6:24 PM GMT
The daily number of people admitted to hospital in South Africa with Covid-19 more than doubled on Tuesday from a day earlier.
According to the National Institute for Communicable Diseases 383 people have been admitted to hospital with the disease in the last 24 hours compared with 175 in the preceding period."
The other issue is that the people who seem to be the biggest spreaders of omicron in South Africa at the moment seem to be the young… and because they suffer the least symptoms anyway, that’s is why there may be a lag….
Once they spread it to older and older people, that is when you may see the explosion of hospitalisations and unfortunately deaths |
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"And some bad news about hospital admissions doubling in a day in south Africa
Where did you get this from? Everything I’ve seen indicates that at present there have been very few extra admissions in SA
Bloomberg
South Africa’s Covid Hospital Admissions More Than Double
By Antony Sguazzin +Follow
December 7, 2021, 6:15 PM GMT
Updated on December 7, 2021, 6:24 PM GMT
The daily number of people admitted to hospital in South Africa with Covid-19 more than doubled on Tuesday from a day earlier.
According to the National Institute for Communicable Diseases 383 people have been admitted to hospital with the disease in the last 24 hours compared with 175 in the preceding period."
They have also said that the increase in cases is due to a low up take in vaccines and it's mostly the unvaccinated that are getting sick. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"Testing omicron for 3 months? When was Omicron first discovered?
July… fact "
I misunderstood the original post in terms of how the strain was being tested against the vaccine, the OP has explained it in more detail which now makes a lot more sense.
It would be helpful when you reply to explain a little more than just saying fact, that tends to make me switch off rather than think further on the matter.
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By *azylivingMan
over a year ago
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"Very early days yet, more data needed comparing omicron to other variants.
This preprint publication sounds scary - a German group tested delta and omicron virus side by side against sera from Pfizer triple and double vaccinated individuals. For the triple vaccinated, two weeks afterwards, immune response was 10-fold lower for omicron compared to delta. For double vaccinated, 3 months later, about 30-fold lower response.
You can read the paper by doing a search-
Reduced Neutralization of SARS-CoV-2 Omicron Variant by Vaccine Sera and monoclonal antibodies"
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/what-unrefereed-preprint
This article is a preprint and has not been peer-reviewed [what does this mean?]. It reports new medical research that has yet to be evaluated and so should not be used to guide clinical practice.
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