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"Would you meet an unvaccinated person" We wouldn't know as we wouldn't ask so guess the answer is yes we would | |||
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"Would you meet an unvaccinated person" What does it matter? Who cares? | |||
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"Would you meet an unvaccinated person" Would you? Which vaccines? | |||
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"The club we go to asks for vaccination proof or a clear LFT so about as safe as it can get." Everybody should be tested for entry during a pandemic given vaccinated folks can still contract, experience mild to severe illness and spread the virus. Luckily we are at early stage of an endemic phase so these discriminatory measures ought to be gone by now.   | |||
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"The club we go to asks for vaccination proof or a clear LFT so about as safe as it can get. Everybody should be tested for entry during a pandemic given vaccinated folks can still contract, experience mild to severe illness and spread the virus. Luckily we are at early stage of an endemic phase so these discriminatory measures ought to be gone by now. "They are safety measures which I guess will eventually not be required. | |||
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"Would you meet an unvaccinated person" You think they would tell you the truth?  | |||
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"The club we go to asks for vaccination proof or a clear LFT so about as safe as it can get." Not testing a vaccinated person is a very unsafe policy, as we all know by now that vaccinated people can contract and pass on the virus. | |||
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"Would you meet an unvaccinated person" No way. Vaccination checks and pre-meet lateral flows for me (and wife) when we start meeting again. Baildon looks more fun than when I lived there too! | |||
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"The club we go to asks for vaccination proof or a clear LFT so about as safe as it can get. Not testing a vaccinated person is a very unsafe policy, as we all know by now that vaccinated people can contract and pass on the virus. " Thats why I said as safe as it can get. The majority if not all of the people that I know are vaccinated and they (we) still do regular LFT tests as well...they kind of go hand in hand when people are of this mindset. | |||
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"Would you meet an unvaccinated person No way. Vaccination checks and pre-meet lateral flows for me (and wife) when we start meeting again. Baildon looks more fun than when I lived there too!" I worked in bingley and shipley for many years when young went to shipley glen | |||
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"The none vaccinated I know myself included have either had covid once or were naturally immune, the vaccinated I know gemma included have had covid multiple times, gemma 4 times. Tell me again how the vaccine has saved us?" | |||
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"Yes we would. I would be happy to be cared for by an unvaccinated medical professional too. " | |||
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"Would you meet an unvaccinated person No way. Vaccination checks and pre-meet lateral flows for me (and wife) when we start meeting again. Baildon looks more fun than when I lived there too! I worked in bingley and shipley for many years when young went to shipley glen" I’ve been in that pub many a time. Grand. | |||
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"It would be very difficult to find just 1 unvaccinated person that has not already been naturally immunised by now. " One here. We are tested every 4 weeks for the ONS for Covid and antibodies. Hubster has had Covid and still has antibodies. I have never knowingly had Covid and have no antibodies. | |||
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"The none vaccinated I know myself included have either had covid once or were naturally immune, the vaccinated I know gemma included have had covid multiple times, gemma 4 times. Tell me again how the vaccine has saved us?" Covid 4 times? That has got to be some serious immunity, how does she keep catching it? | |||
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"The none vaccinated I know myself included have either had covid once or were naturally immune, the vaccinated I know gemma included have had covid multiple times, gemma 4 times. Tell me again how the vaccine has saved us?" The vaccinated can obviously contract covid, no vaccine created can put a forcefield around you so a harmful virus bounces off it, the vaccine is there for when you get infected. Do you not think the vaccine has prevented some of those vaccinated from dying or from serious illness, that's how the vaccine has saved some of us. Yes we meet unvaccinated. | |||
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"The none vaccinated I know myself included have either had covid once or were naturally immune, the vaccinated I know gemma included have had covid multiple times, gemma 4 times. Tell me again how the vaccine has saved us? The vaccinated can obviously contract covid, no vaccine created can put a forcefield around you so a harmful virus bounces off it, the vaccine is there for when you get infected. Do you not think the vaccine has prevented some of those vaccinated from dying or from serious illness, that's how the vaccine has saved some of us. Yes we meet unvaccinated." I’ve had my measles vaccine guess how many times I’ve had measles? The current vaccine can’t even be shown to have prevented anything it’s a vaccine created upon the promise that it “might” make you less ill, all it seems to have done is stop people producing there own antibodies, | |||
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" I’ve had my measles vaccine guess how many times I’ve had measles? The current vaccine can’t even be shown to have prevented anything it’s a vaccine created upon the promise that it “might” make you less ill, all it seems to have done is stop people producing there own antibodies," putting it that way, the current vaccination programme is a bit of a joke. I've gone along with it in good faith but now I can't help wondering if we are all being taken for mugs by a growth industry which as been thought up to boost the economy (for some) while times are hard. | |||
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"Would you meet an unvaccinated person" Couldn’t care less as long as they are tested. Would rather meet an unvaccinated person with a current clear test than a vaccinated person with no test. The former are far more likely to be safe than the latter! | |||
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"How many times is this question going to be asked????? Time this virus forum was closed down I think." Totally agree, it's a snakes pit. | |||
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"Would you meet an unvaccinated person" Why ever not? There isn’t a shred of evidence that being vaccinated stops anyone from contracting or passing on this virus. | |||
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"How many times is this question going to be asked????? Time this virus forum was closed down I think. Totally agree, it's a snakes pit." Don't put yourself down. | |||
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"How many times is this question going to be asked????? Time this virus forum was closed down I think." Why? It's really easy to avoid. | |||
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"Would you meet an unvaccinated person Why ever not? There isn’t a shred of evidence that being vaccinated stops anyone from contracting or passing on this virus. " This is exactly the point isn't it. I dont understand why everyone gets upset about other people. Its bizarre. | |||
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"Yes, as I've had the vacation I know my health is in a "safer" position then before. If they don't want the vacation that's up to them." Jeeze i need a vacation after all the shit over the vaccine | |||
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"Yes, as I've had the vacation I know my health is in a "safer" position then before. If they don't want the vacation that's up to them. Jeeze i need a vacation after all the shit over the vaccine" Only get it of you think you need it. I've had a few friends be really ill with covid and had a family member die of covid so that the reason I got it. Great pics by the way x | |||
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"Yes, as I've had the vacation I know my health is in a "safer" position then before. If they don't want the vacation that's up to them. Jeeze i need a vacation after all the shit over the vaccine Only get it of you think you need it. I've had a few friends be really ill with covid and had a family member die of covid so that the reason I got it. Great pics by the way x" I don't care who gets it and who doesn't. I didn't. I also had covid. I was fine. Everyone I know has been fine. Even the vulnerable ones. Therefore I've concluded I don't need it. | |||
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"Yes, as I've had the vacation I know my health is in a "safer" position then before. If they don't want the vacation that's up to them. Jeeze i need a vacation after all the shit over the vaccine Only get it of you think you need it. I've had a few friends be really ill with covid and had a family member die of covid so that the reason I got it. Great pics by the way x I don't care who gets it and who doesn't. I didn't. I also had covid. I was fine. Everyone I know has been fine. Even the vulnerable ones. Therefore I've concluded I don't need it. " | |||
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"Would you meet an unvaccinated person" Not someone who is unvaccinated out of choice, no. Simply because that whole anti-vacc mindset is a massive turn off. I know a lot of people on here don't care about political/moral stances, but such things are important to me. | |||
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"Would you meet an unvaccinated person Why ever not? There isn’t a shred of evidence that being vaccinated stops anyone from contracting or passing on this virus. " Why lie? Not sure if new scientist articles are allowed, but hopefully so: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2294250-how-much-less-likely-are-you-to-spread-covid-19-if-youre-vaccinated/ | |||
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"Would you meet an unvaccinated person Why ever not? There isn’t a shred of evidence that being vaccinated stops anyone from contracting or passing on this virus. Why lie? Not sure if new scientist articles are allowed, but hopefully so: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2294250-how-much-less-likely-are-you-to-spread-covid-19-if-youre-vaccinated/" Nobody lied, the post you replied to and the content of the article you quoted are stating two very different things | |||
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"Would you meet an unvaccinated person Why ever not? There isn’t a shred of evidence that being vaccinated stops anyone from contracting or passing on this virus. Why lie? Not sure if new scientist articles are allowed, but hopefully so: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2294250-how-much-less-likely-are-you-to-spread-covid-19-if-youre-vaccinated/ Nobody lied, the post you replied to and the content of the article you quoted are stating two very different things "I think he meant white lie and it was a typo.  | |||
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"Would you meet an unvaccinated person Why ever not? There isn’t a shred of evidence that being vaccinated stops anyone from contracting or passing on this virus. Why lie? Not sure if new scientist articles are allowed, but hopefully so: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2294250-how-much-less-likely-are-you-to-spread-covid-19-if-youre-vaccinated/ Nobody lied, the post you replied to and the content of the article you quoted are stating two very different things
I think he meant white lie and it was a typo. "No I don’t think he did. He was accusing the person who said “there isn’t a shred of evidence that the vaccine stops anyone from contracting or passing on the virus” of lying by posting an article that provides evidence that the vaccine REDUCES transmission. So the person who posted the original statement was telling the truth because he clearly said “stops transmission” and the article was truthful because it talks about how transmission is reduced. But the two are clearly completely different statements and both factual. I can read. | |||
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"Would you meet an unvaccinated person Why ever not? There isn’t a shred of evidence that being vaccinated stops anyone from contracting or passing on this virus. Why lie? Not sure if new scientist articles are allowed, but hopefully so: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2294250-how-much-less-likely-are-you-to-spread-covid-19-if-youre-vaccinated/" Not saying this isn’t true but it is wildly out of date. Delta had only just kicked in and nobody had even dreamed of Omicron. Quote... “However, the data used only went up to 24 March [2021], before delta became dominant. The team is now using more recent data to work out the impact of delta, says Prunas.” | |||
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"Would you meet an unvaccinated person Why ever not? There isn’t a shred of evidence that being vaccinated stops anyone from contracting or passing on this virus. Why lie? Not sure if new scientist articles are allowed, but hopefully so: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2294250-how-much-less-likely-are-you-to-spread-covid-19-if-youre-vaccinated/ Nobody lied, the post you replied to and the content of the article you quoted are stating two very different things
I think he meant white lie and it was a typo.
No I don’t think he did. He was accusing the person who said “there isn’t a shred of evidence that the vaccine stops anyone from contracting or passing on the virus” of lying by posting an article that provides evidence that the vaccine REDUCES transmission.
So the person who posted the original statement was telling the truth because he clearly said “stops transmission” and the article was truthful because it talks about how transmission is reduced. But the two are clearly completely different statements and both factual.
I can read. "Reading in this day and age accounts for shit. Being light hearted in these times is much more of a value. It was a light hearted attempt at sarcasm but not in an attempt to put down. Most important beneficial truth in life to take nothing too serious, including life itself. | |||
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"Would you meet an unvaccinated person Why ever not? There isn’t a shred of evidence that being vaccinated stops anyone from contracting or passing on this virus. Why lie? Not sure if new scientist articles are allowed, but hopefully so: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2294250-how-much-less-likely-are-you-to-spread-covid-19-if-youre-vaccinated/ Nobody lied, the post you replied to and the content of the article you quoted are stating two very different things
I think he meant white lie and it was a typo.
No I don’t think he did. He was accusing the person who said “there isn’t a shred of evidence that the vaccine stops anyone from contracting or passing on the virus” of lying by posting an article that provides evidence that the vaccine REDUCES transmission.
So the person who posted the original statement was telling the truth because he clearly said “stops transmission” and the article was truthful because it talks about how transmission is reduced. But the two are clearly completely different statements and both factual.
I can read.
Reading in this day and age accounts for shit. Being light hearted in these times is much more of a value. It was a light hearted attempt at sarcasm but not in an attempt to put down. Most important beneficial truth in life to take nothing too serious, including life itself. "Yes never take life seriously! Just enjoy the ride whilst here! As we all reach the final destination just have a blast! X | |||
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"Would you meet an unvaccinated person Why ever not? There isn’t a shred of evidence that being vaccinated stops anyone from contracting or passing on this virus. Why lie? Not sure if new scientist articles are allowed, but hopefully so: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2294250-how-much-less-likely-are-you-to-spread-covid-19-if-youre-vaccinated/ Nobody lied, the post you replied to and the content of the article you quoted are stating two very different things
I think he meant white lie and it was a typo.
No I don’t think he did. He was accusing the person who said “there isn’t a shred of evidence that the vaccine stops anyone from contracting or passing on the virus” of lying by posting an article that provides evidence that the vaccine REDUCES transmission.
So the person who posted the original statement was telling the truth because he clearly said “stops transmission” and the article was truthful because it talks about how transmission is reduced. But the two are clearly completely different statements and both factual.
I can read.
Reading in this day and age accounts for shit. Being light hearted in these times is much more of a value. It was a light hearted attempt at sarcasm but not in an attempt to put down. Most important beneficial truth in life to take nothing too serious, including life itself. "Swearing…. A clear demonstration of how one is taking something too seriously despite calling the kettle black…. | |||
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"Would you meet an unvaccinated person" Nope, definitely not. | |||
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"The none vaccinated I know myself included have either had covid once or were naturally immune, the vaccinated I know gemma included have had covid multiple times, gemma 4 times. Tell me again how the vaccine has saved us?" It stops people from getting seriously ill but that doesn't mean it stop you from catching covid | |||
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"How many times is this question going to be asked????? Time this virus forum was closed down I think." Then just avoid it. | |||
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"The none vaccinated I know myself included have either had covid once or were naturally immune, the vaccinated I know gemma included have had covid multiple times, gemma 4 times. Tell me again how the vaccine has saved us? The vaccinated can obviously contract covid, no vaccine created can put a forcefield around you so a harmful virus bounces off it, the vaccine is there for when you get infected. Do you not think the vaccine has prevented some of those vaccinated from dying or from serious illness, that's how the vaccine has saved some of us. Yes we meet unvaccinated. I’ve had my measles vaccine guess how many times I’ve had measles? The current vaccine can’t even be shown to have prevented anything it’s a vaccine created upon the promise that it “might” make you less ill, all it seems to have done is stop people producing there own antibodies," This
I'd go as far as to say, I wouldn't meet someone vaccinated. Not now that more are testing positive with covid.
All i hear is "thank god i had 3 vaccines! I've tested positive for the 3rd or 4th time and its kept me safe. It could have been a lot worse if i hadn't had the vaccine"
It more than likely messed up their immune system so that they keep testing positive.
I'll stick with natural immunity thanks, with my friends who have also not had it the vaccine and never tested positive. | |||
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"The none vaccinated I know myself included have either had covid once or were naturally immune, the vaccinated I know gemma included have had covid multiple times, gemma 4 times. Tell me again how the vaccine has saved us? The vaccinated can obviously contract covid, no vaccine created can put a forcefield around you so a harmful virus bounces off it, the vaccine is there for when you get infected. Do you not think the vaccine has prevented some of those vaccinated from dying or from serious illness, that's how the vaccine has saved some of us. Yes we meet unvaccinated. I’ve had my measles vaccine guess how many times I’ve had measles? The current vaccine can’t even be shown to have prevented anything it’s a vaccine created upon the promise that it “might” make you less ill, all it seems to have done is stop people producing there own antibodies, This
I'd go as far as to say, I wouldn't meet someone vaccinated. Not now that more are testing positive with covid.
All i hear is "thank god i had 3 vaccines! I've tested positive for the 3rd or 4th time and its kept me safe. It could have been a lot worse if i hadn't had the vaccine"
It more than likely messed up their immune system so that they keep testing positive.
I'll stick with natural immunity thanks, with my friends who have also not had it the vaccine and never tested positive.""The none vaccinated I know myself included have either had covid once or were naturally immune, the vaccinated I know gemma included have had covid multiple times, gemma 4 times. Tell me again how the vaccine has saved us? The vaccinated can obviously contract covid, no vaccine created can put a forcefield around you so a harmful virus bounces off it, the vaccine is there for when you get infected. Do you not think the vaccine has prevented some of those vaccinated from dying or from serious illness, that's how the vaccine has saved some of us. Yes we meet unvaccinated. I’ve had my measles vaccine guess how many times I’ve had measles? The current vaccine can’t even be shown to have prevented anything it’s a vaccine created upon the promise that it “might” make you less ill, all it seems to have done is stop people producing there own antibodies, This
I'd go as far as to say, I wouldn't meet someone vaccinated. Not now that more are testing positive with covid.
All i hear is "thank god i had 3 vaccines! I've tested positive for the 3rd or 4th time and its kept me safe. It could have been a lot worse if i hadn't had the vaccine"
It more than likely messed up their immune system so that they keep testing positive.
I'll stick with natural immunity thanks, with my friends who have also not had it the vaccine and never tested positive."Whatincredibly stupid statements Natural Inmunity....The Measles Comment too thats the classic thing that you have to explain your position and why you go unvaccinated (as is your right) and your evidence base is 'Friends not vaccinated, friends not tested positive ' 'People vaccinated have tested positive'. Only on a forum can you say something like that and not have to back it up At least Some people who are anti-vaccine You can ask them the question and they articulate in a way and cite evidence I should be able to see how intellectually they've arrived at that point even if I disagree with them. Try saying the measles argument and justifying it in a Room of people having a debate face-to-face when you know academics, professionals in certain fields are there You wouldn't be able , Too embarrassed Because there's nothing literally beyond just those word. | |||
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"The none vaccinated I know myself included have either had covid once or were naturally immune, the vaccinated I know gemma included have had covid multiple times, gemma 4 times. Tell me again how the vaccine has saved us? The vaccinated can obviously contract covid, no vaccine created can put a forcefield around you so a harmful virus bounces off it, the vaccine is there for when you get infected. Do you not think the vaccine has prevented some of those vaccinated from dying or from serious illness, that's how the vaccine has saved some of us. Yes we meet unvaccinated. I’ve had my measles vaccine guess how many times I’ve had measles? The current vaccine can’t even be shown to have prevented anything it’s a vaccine created upon the promise that it “might” make you less ill, all it seems to have done is stop people producing there own antibodies, This
I'd go as far as to say, I wouldn't meet someone vaccinated. Not now that more are testing positive with covid.
All i hear is "thank god i had 3 vaccines! I've tested positive for the 3rd or 4th time and its kept me safe. It could have been a lot worse if i hadn't had the vaccine"
It more than likely messed up their immune system so that they keep testing positive.
I'll stick with natural immunity thanks, with my friends who have also not had it the vaccine and never tested positive."Absolutely get what u saying! I've had the 2 but decided against the booster! For various reasons this being one x | |||
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"Why would you even contemplate asking this when it doesn’t really mean shit , it’s not a true vaccine , true vaccines stop transmission and also this vaccine is mucking a lot of people up seriously . The nhs u-turn says it all the covid narrative is starting to crumble . You’ve got to sit there and ask yourself why were thousands of doctors and high level medical professionals prepared to loose their job and not take this ." Whilst I agree that no one has the right on a sexsite to ask about vaccination. These are true vaccine, I suspect your understanding of a vaccine is not correct. You have ask yourself why would well over a million nhs workers have the vaccine, including more than 99% of doctors. | |||
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"Why would you even contemplate asking this when it doesn’t really mean shit , it’s not a true vaccine , true vaccines stop transmission and also this vaccine is mucking a lot of people up seriously . The nhs u-turn says it all the covid narrative is starting to crumble . You’ve got to sit there and ask yourself why were thousands of doctors and high level medical professionals prepared to loose their job and not take this ." It is a true vaccine. If you think that vaccines ok I count as vaccines if they give 100 per cent coverage or last for ever then you need to brush up on your understanding of what a vaccine is. The u-turn re nhs staff looks like a positive development, but relaxing a restriction does not mean that “the narrative is starting to crumble”. The “narrative” flexes all the time ... things had to get stricter when omicron emerged, and quickly relaxed when it became clear that it was less of a killer. It was right to be cautious, and it was right to then relax restrictions. Does not mean that the “narrative” was wrong, the right decisions were made with the available information. In the next few months, I hope to see further reductions in death rates and further relaxation of restrictions. That does not represent a climb-down, a u-turn, or the pandemic having been a sham in the first place. Just means that things are improving, and long may it continue. | |||
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"Since Israel mandated there has been 23X increase in heart problems in young adults , there are people in crowds of football in the uk literally having cardiac arrests in crowds weekly , there are people that were perfectly fit and healthy that never got ill since getting the jab have been ill numerous times in and out of hospital, doctors that aren’t in the public/ media eye saying very different things to those that are , anything negative towards Covid Or the jab gets left out of the news , the blood clot scare near the start of the rollout completely brushed under the carpet . But you don’t raise your eyebrows and wonder hold up something doesn’t seem right here ?? Baffles me that people aren’t but hey ho everyone is entitled to their opinion, if you want to take it cool go ahead but NO ONE should be forced to put something in their body they don’t want in it simple ." i think people are scared to hear the other side as they want to trust the information they get fed through main stream. even when there are legit scientists top of there practice saying what’s really happening and it gets ignored or cancelled so it can’t be heard. worlds going mad. | |||
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"Since Israel mandated there has been 23X increase in heart problems in young adults , there are people in crowds of football in the uk literally having cardiac arrests in crowds weekly , there are people that were perfectly fit and healthy that never got ill since getting the jab have been ill numerous times in and out of hospital, doctors that aren’t in the public/ media eye saying very different things to those that are , anything negative towards Covid Or the jab gets left out of the news , the blood clot scare near the start of the rollout completely brushed under the carpet . But you don’t raise your eyebrows and wonder hold up something doesn’t seem right here ?? Baffles me that people aren’t but hey ho everyone is entitled to their opinion, if you want to take it cool go ahead but NO ONE should be forced to put something in their body they don’t want in it simple ." Ah, “something doesn’t seem right” ... the eternal refrain of the conspiracy theorist, who offers no credible answer to their own question, just seeks to spread suspicion, uncertainty and fear. | |||
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"Since Israel mandated there has been 23X increase in heart problems in young adults , there are people in crowds of football in the uk literally having cardiac arrests in crowds weekly , there are people that were perfectly fit and healthy that never got ill since getting the jab have been ill numerous times in and out of hospital, doctors that aren’t in the public/ media eye saying very different things to those that are , anything negative towards Covid Or the jab gets left out of the news , the blood clot scare near the start of the rollout completely brushed under the carpet . But you don’t raise your eyebrows and wonder hold up something doesn’t seem right here ?? Baffles me that people aren’t but hey ho everyone is entitled to their opinion, if you want to take it cool go ahead but NO ONE should be forced to put something in their body they don’t want in it simple . i think people are scared to hear the other side as they want to trust the information they get fed through main stream. even when there are legit scientists top of there practice saying what’s really happening and it gets ignored or cancelled so it can’t be heard. worlds going mad. " The balance of opinion of the scientific community is very heavily in favour of vax programmes. Yes there are people with alternative views and that is a healthy thing, but the vast majority of the scientific community are very firmly pro-vax. I choose to go with the advice of the vast majority in this case and will continue to assess the balance of opinions and who is expressing them. | |||
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"Name me one other vaccine that skipped long term testing and didn’t stop transmission. ???" The most important attribute of the vax is that it reduces the severity of symptoms if you get covid. That alone has saved thousands of lives in this country. | |||
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"Name me one other vaccine that skipped long term testing and didn’t stop transmission. ???" No vaccine in history has ever had as much testing as these vaccines. I don't know any vaccine that stops transmission completely, there may be one but I don't know one. Feel free to tell if you know of one. | |||
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"Since Israel mandated there has been 23X increase in heart problems in young adults , there are people in crowds of football in the uk literally having cardiac arrests in crowds weekly , there are people that were perfectly fit and healthy that never got ill since getting the jab have been ill numerous times in and out of hospital, doctors that aren’t in the public/ media eye saying very different things to those that are , anything negative towards Covid Or the jab gets left out of the news , the blood clot scare near the start of the rollout completely brushed under the carpet . But you don’t raise your eyebrows and wonder hold up something doesn’t seem right here ?? Baffles me that people aren’t but hey ho everyone is entitled to their opinion, if you want to take it cool go ahead but NO ONE should be forced to put something in their body they don’t want in it simple . i think people are scared to hear the other side as they want to trust the information they get fed through main stream. even when there are legit scientists top of there practice saying what’s really happening and it gets ignored or cancelled so it can’t be heard. worlds going mad. The balance of opinion of the scientific community is very heavily in favour of vax programmes. Yes there are people with alternative views and that is a healthy thing, but the vast majority of the scientific community are very firmly pro-vax. I choose to go with the advice of the vast majority in this case and will continue to assess the balance of opinions and who is expressing them. " i understand that mate and it makes sense but are they all pro vax because they are worried about losing there job or the amount of hate they get so there’s only a few with a big enough set of balls to actually come out and say about it. who knows hay | |||
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"Name me one other vaccine that skipped long term testing and didn’t stop transmission. ??? No vaccine in history has ever had as much testing as these vaccines. I don't know any vaccine that stops transmission completely, there may be one but I don't know one. Feel free to tell if you know of one." they are testing them out on us. and no one has any idea of the long term effects. | |||
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"Since Israel mandated there has been 23X increase in heart problems in young adults , there are people in crowds of football in the uk literally having cardiac arrests in crowds weekly , there are people that were perfectly fit and healthy that never got ill since getting the jab have been ill numerous times in and out of hospital, doctors that aren’t in the public/ media eye saying very different things to those that are , anything negative towards Covid Or the jab gets left out of the news , the blood clot scare near the start of the rollout completely brushed under the carpet . But you don’t raise your eyebrows and wonder hold up something doesn’t seem right here ?? Baffles me that people aren’t but hey ho everyone is entitled to their opinion, if you want to take it cool go ahead but NO ONE should be forced to put something in their body they don’t want in it simple . i think people are scared to hear the other side as they want to trust the information they get fed through main stream. even when there are legit scientists top of there practice saying what’s really happening and it gets ignored or cancelled so it can’t be heard. worlds going mad. The balance of opinion of the scientific community is very heavily in favour of vax programmes. Yes there are people with alternative views and that is a healthy thing, but the vast majority of the scientific community are very firmly pro-vax. I choose to go with the advice of the vast majority in this case and will continue to assess the balance of opinions and who is expressing them. i understand that mate and it makes sense but are they all pro vax because they are worried about losing there job or the amount of hate they get so there’s only a few with a big enough set of balls to actually come out and say about it. who knows hay " Sweeping generalisation there, that they are all scared they will lose their jobs. I don’t buy that: the scientific community are not scared of giving unpopular messages. I am lucky enough that a friend of mine is one of the leading virologist in Ireland, and have had the opportunity to talk to him about this, he is a guy who is at the cutting edge of public discussions re tightening/ relaxing restrictions as circumstances change. And his unequivocal advice to me was to get vaccinated as soon as I could. I place trust in guys like him and Whitty. | |||
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"That is your right to do so and I do agree vulnerable, obese & elderly should get it as i believe it outweighs the risk that Covid would give them but I don’t agree with only the pros being given out to the public and as said before it shouldn’t be pushed upon anyone that doesn’t want it especially when getting the jab doesn’t stop transmission Hence why the protect others slogan has seemed to have vanished . At the end of the day people can only put forward their opinions and make the decision for themselves whilst I may not agree with getting it I won’t think any less of someone for getting it . But we will see how it goes time will tell. I’ve had covid and did just fine without the vaccine and will continue to do so . Good luck to all X" Glad to hear your experience of covid was mild. Good to hear, and I am now encountering a lot more people who are experiencing mild / no symptoms. When did you get covid? Recently or right at the start? A friend of mine had covid right at the very start and was on a ventilator for weeks ... he was fit, healthy, 6 foot 6, ex-international athlete, and a doctor. That coloured my thinking significantly, as did the deaths of some people who lived near me. As for the “protect others” slogan, that was more to do with social distancing and wearing masks. | |||
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"I had it very early in late jan/feb 2020 and I will be honest it crippled me for a while and was like no other illness I’d ever had although I’ve only been ill like a handful of times in my life , but I caught it off the back of a night out in London when I drank far to much and was sick about ten times that night so wiped my body of all fluids minerals and food then fell ill with it shortly after was crippled in bed for a couple of weeks and didn’t feel right for about 6-8 weeks but been all good since , have been around people with covid many times since that also and haven’t re caught it so yea . Sorry to hear about deaths close to you . I do think it seemed more violent in the earlier stages when it first hit . It has been a mad last couple of years . " Ouch, sounds like you had a pretty rough ride. Yes, it’s a lot less sever now, particularly if you have been jabbed. Thanks for being so balanced and fair in your sharing of opinions. Most people who are opposed to vaccinations seem to feel it essential to be abusive and derogatory, or dismissive of the dangers of covid, and only end up damaging the credibility of the views that they express. Cheers | |||
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"I had it very early in late jan/feb 2020 and I will be honest it crippled me for a while and was like no other illness I’d ever had although I’ve only been ill like a handful of times in my life , but I caught it off the back of a night out in London when I drank far to much and was sick about ten times that night so wiped my body of all fluids minerals and food then fell ill with it shortly after was crippled in bed for a couple of weeks and didn’t feel right for about 6-8 weeks but been all good since , have been around people with covid many times since that also and haven’t re caught it so yea . Sorry to hear about deaths close to you . I do think it seemed more violent in the earlier stages when it first hit . It has been a mad last couple of years . Ouch, sounds like you had a pretty rough ride. Yes, it’s a lot less sever now, particularly if you have been jabbed. Thanks for being so balanced and fair in your sharing of opinions. Most people who are opposed to vaccinations seem to feel it essential to be abusive and derogatory, or dismissive of the dangers of covid, and only end up damaging the credibility of the views that they express. Cheers " In my experience it's the pro vax that are derogatory, causing scenes for people not wearing masks and how selfish they are.  | |||
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"I had it very early in late jan/feb 2020 and I will be honest it crippled me for a while and was like no other illness I’d ever had although I’ve only been ill like a handful of times in my life , but I caught it off the back of a night out in London when I drank far to much and was sick about ten times that night so wiped my body of all fluids minerals and food then fell ill with it shortly after was crippled in bed for a couple of weeks and didn’t feel right for about 6-8 weeks but been all good since , have been around people with covid many times since that also and haven’t re caught it so yea . Sorry to hear about deaths close to you . I do think it seemed more violent in the earlier stages when it first hit . It has been a mad last couple of years . Ouch, sounds like you had a pretty rough ride. Yes, it’s a lot less sever now, particularly if you have been jabbed. Thanks for being so balanced and fair in your sharing of opinions. Most people who are opposed to vaccinations seem to feel it essential to be abusive and derogatory, or dismissive of the dangers of covid, and only end up damaging the credibility of the views that they express. Cheers " How strange you would say that, the only hostility I've encountered has been from those vaccinated because I'm not. I wouldn't stop anyone who wants to get it. I think its up to individuals to make their own minds up given the real science and not the media science which seems to be hyped and misleading the majority of the time. But again, that's my perception and I wouldn't force it on anyone. You do you, just leave me to do me. | |||
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"I had it very early in late jan/feb 2020 and I will be honest it crippled me for a while and was like no other illness I’d ever had although I’ve only been ill like a handful of times in my life , but I caught it off the back of a night out in London when I drank far to much and was sick about ten times that night so wiped my body of all fluids minerals and food then fell ill with it shortly after was crippled in bed for a couple of weeks and didn’t feel right for about 6-8 weeks but been all good since , have been around people with covid many times since that also and haven’t re caught it so yea . Sorry to hear about deaths close to you . I do think it seemed more violent in the earlier stages when it first hit . It has been a mad last couple of years . Ouch, sounds like you had a pretty rough ride. Yes, it’s a lot less sever now, particularly if you have been jabbed. Thanks for being so balanced and fair in your sharing of opinions. Most people who are opposed to vaccinations seem to feel it essential to be abusive and derogatory, or dismissive of the dangers of covid, and only end up damaging the credibility of the views that they express. Cheers How strange you would say that, the only hostility I've encountered has been from those vaccinated because I'm not. I wouldn't stop anyone who wants to get it. I think its up to individuals to make their own minds up given the real science and not the media science which seems to be hyped and misleading the majority of the time. But again, that's my perception and I wouldn't force it on anyone. You do you, just leave me to do me." . Exactly my experience to. Maybe we're just the unlucky ones but I doubt it very much. | |||
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"I had it very early in late jan/feb 2020 and I will be honest it crippled me for a while and was like no other illness I’d ever had although I’ve only been ill like a handful of times in my life , but I caught it off the back of a night out in London when I drank far to much and was sick about ten times that night so wiped my body of all fluids minerals and food then fell ill with it shortly after was crippled in bed for a couple of weeks and didn’t feel right for about 6-8 weeks but been all good since , have been around people with covid many times since that also and haven’t re caught it so yea . Sorry to hear about deaths close to you . I do think it seemed more violent in the earlier stages when it first hit . It has been a mad last couple of years . Ouch, sounds like you had a pretty rough ride. Yes, it’s a lot less sever now, particularly if you have been jabbed. Thanks for being so balanced and fair in your sharing of opinions. Most people who are opposed to vaccinations seem to feel it essential to be abusive and derogatory, or dismissive of the dangers of covid, and only end up damaging the credibility of the views that they express. Cheers In my experience it's the pro vax that are derogatory, causing scenes for people not wearing masks and how selfish they are. "Anti-vaxers have been violent in public (attacking vax stations for example), and keep using derogatory terms in discussions like this. Please read the threads on this forum and you will see what I mean. Are pro-vaxers blameless? Of course not, but from what I have seen then are far more likely to be balanced. Some of the bile that has been poured my way on here and elsewhere is a disgrace. There was a small group of anti-lockdown protesters in my town yesterday, lies on placards, shouting offensive things about vax programmes and those who avail of them. | |||
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"I had it very early in late jan/feb 2020 and I will be honest it crippled me for a while and was like no other illness I’d ever had although I’ve only been ill like a handful of times in my life , but I caught it off the back of a night out in London when I drank far to much and was sick about ten times that night so wiped my body of all fluids minerals and food then fell ill with it shortly after was crippled in bed for a couple of weeks and didn’t feel right for about 6-8 weeks but been all good since , have been around people with covid many times since that also and haven’t re caught it so yea . Sorry to hear about deaths close to you . I do think it seemed more violent in the earlier stages when it first hit . It has been a mad last couple of years . Ouch, sounds like you had a pretty rough ride. Yes, it’s a lot less sever now, particularly if you have been jabbed. Thanks for being so balanced and fair in your sharing of opinions. Most people who are opposed to vaccinations seem to feel it essential to be abusive and derogatory, or dismissive of the dangers of covid, and only end up damaging the credibility of the views that they express. Cheers How strange you would say that, the only hostility I've encountered has been from those vaccinated because I'm not. I wouldn't stop anyone who wants to get it. I think its up to individuals to make their own minds up given the real science and not the media science which seems to be hyped and misleading the majority of the time. But again, that's my perception and I wouldn't force it on anyone. You do you, just leave me to do me. . Exactly my experience to. Maybe we're just the unlucky ones but I doubt it very much. "Vaccine programmes are routinely portrayed as a giant hoax, a lie, part of a global conspiracy, ineffective, untested etc, and those who have been vaccinated or take precautions are portrayed as sheep, idiots, wearing “face nappies” etc etc etc etc etc etc etc There is no conspiracy. Scientists and politicians are trying to do the best things to protect us and get us back to normal. Look around the world and you will see lots of different ways of achieving this, but they are all trying to do the same thing, get us safely back to normal. | |||
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"I had it very early in late jan/feb 2020 and I will be honest it crippled me for a while and was like no other illness I’d ever had although I’ve only been ill like a handful of times in my life , but I caught it off the back of a night out in London when I drank far to much and was sick about ten times that night so wiped my body of all fluids minerals and food then fell ill with it shortly after was crippled in bed for a couple of weeks and didn’t feel right for about 6-8 weeks but been all good since , have been around people with covid many times since that also and haven’t re caught it so yea . Sorry to hear about deaths close to you . I do think it seemed more violent in the earlier stages when it first hit . It has been a mad last couple of years . Ouch, sounds like you had a pretty rough ride. Yes, it’s a lot less sever now, particularly if you have been jabbed. Thanks for being so balanced and fair in your sharing of opinions. Most people who are opposed to vaccinations seem to feel it essential to be abusive and derogatory, or dismissive of the dangers of covid, and only end up damaging the credibility of the views that they express. Cheers How strange you would say that, the only hostility I've encountered has been from those vaccinated because I'm not. I wouldn't stop anyone who wants to get it. I think its up to individuals to make their own minds up given the real science and not the media science which seems to be hyped and misleading the majority of the time. But again, that's my perception and I wouldn't force it on anyone. You do you, just leave me to do me. . Exactly my experience to. Maybe we're just the unlucky ones but I doubt it very much.
Vaccine programmes are routinely portrayed as a giant hoax, a lie, part of a global conspiracy, ineffective, untested etc, and those who have been vaccinated or take precautions are portrayed as sheep, idiots, wearing “face nappies” etc etc etc etc etc etc etc
There is no conspiracy. Scientists and politicians are trying to do the best things to protect us and get us back to normal. Look around the world and you will see lots of different ways of achieving this, but they are all trying to do the same thing, get us safely back to normal. "... and a few weeks back, on here, I had several people aggressively taking the piss out of me for being “scared” of “getting a sniffle”, with several abusive terms being used. The tactics are consistent ... belittle the virus (just a sniffle), belittle the vax, sneer at anyone who listens to government, Whitty, scientists, and sneer at anyone will gets the vax and takes any precautions. | |||
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"Herein lies the problem. I didn't get this vaccine and have no intention of getting it. I have all other vaccines as has my child. Therefore to be labelled an antivaxxer makes my blood boil. I have been treated appallingly by some of my vaxxed friends, colleagues etc, even bullied by them because I stood my ground. It is my opinion vaxxed people are very angry towards the unvaxxed. If you are vaxxed why worry about whether I am or not. My body, my choice afterall but I have never spoke down or been mean to anyone who took the vax. Again it's their body, their choice." Vaccinated people are unhappy with unvaccinated people because they believe that they are not doing their bit in terms of reducing levels of infection and numbers of people needing hospital treatment. If nobody had been vaccinated, then the numbers needing hospital treatment over the last year or so would have been much higher, and so would the number of deaths. | |||
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"Herein lies the problem. I didn't get this vaccine and have no intention of getting it. I have all other vaccines as has my child. Therefore to be labelled an antivaxxer makes my blood boil. I have been treated appallingly by some of my vaxxed friends, colleagues etc, even bullied by them because I stood my ground. It is my opinion vaxxed people are very angry towards the unvaxxed. If you are vaxxed why worry about whether I am or not. My body, my choice afterall but I have never spoke down or been mean to anyone who took the vax. Again it's their body, their choice." I agree. People shouldn't even be asking for vaccination status. It's none of their business. | |||
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"Herein lies the problem. I didn't get this vaccine and have no intention of getting it. I have all other vaccines as has my child. Therefore to be labelled an antivaxxer makes my blood boil. I have been treated appallingly by some of my vaxxed friends, colleagues etc, even bullied by them because I stood my ground. It is my opinion vaxxed people are very angry towards the unvaxxed. If you are vaxxed why worry about whether I am or not. My body, my choice afterall but I have never spoke down or been mean to anyone who took the vax. Again it's their body, their choice. Vaccinated people are unhappy with unvaccinated people because they believe that they are not doing their bit in terms of reducing levels of infection and numbers of people needing hospital treatment. If nobody had been vaccinated, then the numbers needing hospital treatment over the last year or so would have been much higher, and so would the number of deaths. " My observations are as we have become less covid focused in the media and people are getting back to living, both the pro and anti vaccine groups have become equally argumentative. I think both sides are running out of people to argue with and hopefully they will give up on trying to win an argument that the majority of people in the country have now put to bed. | |||
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"Herein lies the problem. I didn't get this vaccine and have no intention of getting it. I have all other vaccines as has my child. Therefore to be labelled an antivaxxer makes my blood boil. I have been treated appallingly by some of my vaxxed friends, colleagues etc, even bullied by them because I stood my ground. It is my opinion vaxxed people are very angry towards the unvaxxed. If you are vaxxed why worry about whether I am or not. My body, my choice afterall but I have never spoke down or been mean to anyone who took the vax. Again it's their body, their choice. Vaccinated people are unhappy with unvaccinated people because they believe that they are not doing their bit in terms of reducing levels of infection and numbers of people needing hospital treatment. If nobody had been vaccinated, then the numbers needing hospital treatment over the last year or so would have been much higher, and so would the number of deaths. My observations are as we have become less covid focused in the media and people are getting back to living, both the pro and anti vaccine groups have become equally argumentative. I think both sides are running out of people to argue with and hopefully they will give up on trying to win an argument that the majority of people in the country have now put to bed. "That works be my hope / expectation too. As things return to normal there is less to argue about. But one thing I confidently predict is anti-vaxers claiming victory when requirements and precautions ease, claiming that it proves that the whole thing was a con in the first place. I don’t really care as long as we can safely get back to normality. I am not entrenched in any position. | |||
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"Herein lies the problem. I didn't get this vaccine and have no intention of getting it. I have all other vaccines as has my child. Therefore to be labelled an antivaxxer makes my blood boil. I have been treated appallingly by some of my vaxxed friends, colleagues etc, even bullied by them because I stood my ground. It is my opinion vaxxed people are very angry towards the unvaxxed. If you are vaxxed why worry about whether I am or not. My body, my choice afterall but I have never spoke down or been mean to anyone who took the vax. Again it's their body, their choice." I'm unvaxed due to being told it would probably kill me but after seeing a school friend die from the vax and my own step dad get cancer that was confirmed it was most likely because he got vaxed no way am I having it , my hubby is double jabbed won't have his booster , all his family are vaxed and boosted , they all turned on me and tried to make him turn on me which back fired massively,I wasn't allowed to visit his parents, I couldn't sit near them as my sons wedding (they also kept my dad with them so I couldn't go near him either )we were banished from Xmas day ( first time at home it was great) me and my daughter caught covid from a concert last Oct she has cfs so apart from the cough we couldn't tell any different with her ,I only found out I had it cos I did a test to try and get my daughter to take one ,it was positive but I've had worse colds and still worked , my side of the family are all jabbed bar one and my step dad who has had chemo so that killed any antibodies off and possibly the jab , they were all ill for over a week apart from the unjabed and my step dad who was due his last chemo the day after testing positive, my sister in law who thinks she is Chris whitty couldn't get out of bed for a week ,she crawled to the bathroom cos she couldn't stand up couldn't drink or eat anything so I'm glad I couldn't have it cos the ppl who I know who have were worse than me , I also work along side funeral homes and many say the numbers don't add up | |||
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"Why would you even contemplate asking this when it doesn’t really mean shit , it’s not a true vaccine , true vaccines stop transmission and also this vaccine is mucking a lot of people up seriously . The nhs u-turn says it all the covid narrative is starting to crumble . You’ve got to sit there and ask yourself why were thousands of doctors and high level medical professionals prepared to loose their job and not take this ." | |||
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"I had it very early in late jan/feb 2020 and I will be honest it crippled me for a while and was like no other illness I’d ever had although I’ve only been ill like a handful of times in my life , but I caught it off the back of a night out in London when I drank far to much and was sick about ten times that night so wiped my body of all fluids minerals and food then fell ill with it shortly after was crippled in bed for a couple of weeks and didn’t feel right for about 6-8 weeks but been all good since , have been around people with covid many times since that also and haven’t re caught it so yea . Sorry to hear about deaths close to you . I do think it seemed more violent in the earlier stages when it first hit . It has been a mad last couple of years . Ouch, sounds like you had a pretty rough ride. Yes, it’s a lot less sever now, particularly if you have been jabbed. Thanks for being so balanced and fair in your sharing of opinions. Most people who are opposed to vaccinations seem to feel it essential to be abusive and derogatory, or dismissive of the dangers of covid, and only end up damaging the credibility of the views that they express. Cheers How strange you would say that, the only hostility I've encountered has been from those vaccinated because I'm not. I wouldn't stop anyone who wants to get it. I think its up to individuals to make their own minds up given the real science and not the media science which seems to be hyped and misleading the majority of the time. But again, that's my perception and I wouldn't force it on anyone. You do you, just leave me to do me." I've also had a lot of aggressive comments made by some angrily typing away because I've challenged the official narrative. | |||
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"Mate I’m going by what I’m seeing with my own eyes , maybe it is because you have this in your body and don’t want to even entertain the idea .... I don’t know but time will tell . " A lot of people can't think for themselves and have been sucked in by the fear mongering unfortunately. You will no doubt be called an anti vaxxer at some point for posting this lol | |||
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"The none vaccinated I know myself included have either had covid once or were naturally immune, the vaccinated I know gemma included have had covid multiple times, gemma 4 times. Tell me again how the vaccine has saved us? The vaccinated can obviously contract covid, no vaccine created can put a forcefield around you so a harmful virus bounces off it, the vaccine is there for when you get infected. Do you not think the vaccine has prevented some of those vaccinated from dying or from serious illness, that's how the vaccine has saved some of us. Yes we meet unvaccinated. I’ve had my measles vaccine guess how many times I’ve had measles? The current vaccine can’t even be shown to have prevented anything it’s a vaccine created upon the promise that it “might” make you less ill, all it seems to have done is stop people producing there own antibodies, This
I'd go as far as to say, I wouldn't meet someone vaccinated. Not now that more are testing positive with covid.
All i hear is "thank god i had 3 vaccines! I've tested positive for the 3rd or 4th time and its kept me safe. It could have been a lot worse if i hadn't had the vaccine"
It more than likely messed up their immune system so that they keep testing positive.
I'll stick with natural immunity thanks, with my friends who have also not had it the vaccine and never tested positive.
The none vaccinated I know myself included have either had covid once or were naturally immune, the vaccinated I know gemma included have had covid multiple times, gemma 4 times. Tell me again how the vaccine has saved us?
The vaccinated can obviously contract covid, no vaccine created can put a forcefield around you so a harmful virus bounces off it, the vaccine is there for when you get infected. Do you not think the vaccine has prevented some of those vaccinated from dying or from serious illness, that's how the vaccine has saved some of us.
Yes we meet unvaccinated.
I’ve had my measles vaccine guess how many times I’ve had measles? The current vaccine can’t even be shown to have prevented anything it’s a vaccine created upon the promise that it “might” make you less ill, all it seems to have done is stop people producing there own antibodies,
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I'd go as far as to say, I wouldn't meet someone vaccinated. Not now that more are testing positive with covid.
All i hear is "thank god i had 3 vaccines! I've tested positive for the 3rd or 4th time and its kept me safe. It could have been a lot worse if i hadn't had the vaccine"
It more than likely messed up their immune system so that they keep testing positive.
I'll stick with natural immunity thanks, with my friends who have also not had it the vaccine and never tested positive.
Whatincredibly stupid statements Natural Inmunity....The Measles Comment too thats the classic thing that you have to explain your position and why you go unvaccinated (as is your right) and your evidence base is 'Friends not vaccinated, friends not tested positive ' 'People vaccinated have tested positive'. Only on a forum can you say something like that and not have to back it up At least Some people who are anti-vaccine You can ask them the question and they articulate in a way and cite evidence I should be able to see how intellectually they've arrived at that point even if I disagree with them. Try saying the measles argument and justifying it in a Room of people having a debate face-to-face when you know academics, professionals in certain fields are there You wouldn't be able , Too embarrassed Because there's nothing literally beyond just those word. "Fisrt of all, you need to chill out. Then you need to understand that it's also a pretty stupid to compare measles and coid-19. | |||
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"Mate I’m going by what I’m seeing with my own eyes , maybe it is because you have this in your body and don’t want to even entertain the idea .... I don’t know but time will tell . A lot of people can't think for themselves and have been sucked in by the fear mongering unfortunately. You will no doubt be called an anti vaxxer at some point for posting this lol" Fear-mongerong is the main tactic of the anti-vaxers. Twisting information, presenting false stats, saying the vaccine doesn’t work, exaggerating side-effects, saying it hadn’t been tested etc etc. An entire campaign to spread uncertainty, disinformation and fear. And yes, quite a few people have fallen for this orchestrated campaign of fear. | |||
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"Herein lies the problem. I didn't get this vaccine and have no intention of getting it. I have all other vaccines as has my child. Therefore to be labelled an antivaxxer makes my blood boil. I have been treated appallingly by some of my vaxxed friends, colleagues etc, even bullied by them because I stood my ground. It is my opinion vaxxed people are very angry towards the unvaxxed. If you are vaxxed why worry about whether I am or not. My body, my choice afterall but I have never spoke down or been mean to anyone who took the vax. Again it's their body, their choice. Vaccinated people are unhappy with unvaccinated people because they believe that they are not doing their bit in terms of reducing levels of infection and numbers of people needing hospital treatment. If nobody had been vaccinated, then the numbers needing hospital treatment over the last year or so would have been much higher, and so would the number of deaths. My observations are as we have become less covid focused in the media and people are getting back to living, both the pro and anti vaccine groups have become equally argumentative. I think both sides are running out of people to argue with and hopefully they will give up on trying to win an argument that the majority of people in the country have now put to bed.
That works be my hope / expectation too. As things return to normal there is less to argue about. But one thing I confidently predict is anti-vaxers claiming victory when requirements and precautions ease, claiming that it proves that the whole thing was a con in the first place.
I don’t really care as long as we can safely get back to normality. I am not entrenched in any position. " | |||
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"No I can't put my clients at risk for a quick fumble I'm a care worker " So you're not meeting anyone then? Just because you're vaccinated doesn't mean you can't catch or pass on the virus, just means you won't show the symptoms as much. In fact you may not even know you have it at all. Only way to be 100% safe is not to meet anyone at all. | |||
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"Mate I’m going by what I’m seeing with my own eyes , maybe it is because you have this in your body and don’t want to even entertain the idea .... I don’t know but time will tell . A lot of people can't think for themselves and have been sucked in by the fear mongering unfortunately. You will no doubt be called an anti vaxxer at some point for posting this lol Fear-mongerong is the main tactic of the anti-vaxers. Twisting information, presenting false stats, saying the vaccine doesn’t work, exaggerating side-effects, saying it hadn’t been tested etc etc. An entire campaign to spread uncertainty, disinformation and fear. And yes, quite a few people have fallen for this orchestrated campaign of fear. " Funny you pal. | |||
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"Herein lies the problem. I didn't get this vaccine and have no intention of getting it. I have all other vaccines as has my child. Therefore to be labelled an antivaxxer makes my blood boil. I have been treated appallingly by some of my vaxxed friends, colleagues etc, even bullied by them because I stood my ground. It is my opinion vaxxed people are very angry towards the unvaxxed. If you are vaxxed why worry about whether I am or not. My body, my choice afterall but I have never spoke down or been mean to anyone who took the vax. Again it's their body, their choice. Vaccinated people are unhappy with unvaccinated people because they believe that they are not doing their bit in terms of reducing levels of infection and numbers of people needing hospital treatment. If nobody had been vaccinated, then the numbers needing hospital treatment over the last year or so would have been much higher, and so would the number of deaths. My observations are as we have become less covid focused in the media and people are getting back to living, both the pro and anti vaccine groups have become equally argumentative. I think both sides are running out of people to argue with and hopefully they will give up on trying to win an argument that the majority of people in the country have now put to bed.
That works be my hope / expectation too. As things return to normal there is less to argue about. But one thing I confidently predict is anti-vaxers claiming victory when requirements and precautions ease, claiming that it proves that the whole thing was a con in the first place.
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"Mate I’m going by what I’m seeing with my own eyes , maybe it is because you have this in your body and don’t want to even entertain the idea .... I don’t know but time will tell . A lot of people can't think for themselves and have been sucked in by the fear mongering unfortunately. You will no doubt be called an anti vaxxer at some point for posting this lol Fear-mongerong is the main tactic of the anti-vaxers. Twisting information, presenting false stats, saying the vaccine doesn’t work, exaggerating side-effects, saying it hadn’t been tested etc etc. An entire campaign to spread uncertainty, disinformation and fear. And yes, quite a few people have fallen for this orchestrated campaign of fear. " | |||
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"No I can't put my clients at risk for a quick fumble I'm a care worker " So presumably you will never ever sleep with an unvaccinated person on this basis? I'm genuinely intrigued | |||
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"Fear-mongerong is the main tactic of the anti-vaxers. Twisting information, presenting false stats, saying the vaccine doesn’t work, exaggerating side-effects, saying it hadn’t been tested etc etc. An entire campaign to spread uncertainty, disinformation and fear. And yes, quite a few people have fallen for this orchestrated campaign of fear. "
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A few more people fell for the orchestrated campaign of hope that vaccines would prevent infection and everything would be back to normal."All because they was led down a path of fear and coercion by being told their life was at risk. Pushing guilt and shame on those who don’t do as their told, to be a good commie and do what’s right for the greater good of common interest. | |||
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"No I can't put my clients at risk for a quick fumble I'm a care worker So you're not meeting anyone then? Just because you're vaccinated doesn't mean you can't catch or pass on the virus, just means you won't show the symptoms as much. In fact you may not even know you have it at all. Only way to be 100% safe is not to meet anyone at all." No I'm not my veris are from pre covid and this is a new profile | |||
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"It would be very difficult to find just 1 unvaccinated person that has not already been naturally immunised by now. " Here here, some sense spoken at last! | |||
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"Would you meet an unvaccinated person" yes why wouldn’t I? This is a very strange question indeed. | |||
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"Name me one other vaccine that skipped long term testing and didn’t stop transmission. ??? The most important attribute of the vax is that it reduces the severity of symptoms if you get covid. That alone has saved thousands of lives in this country. " The DEATH rate is 0.004% That’s extremely low, Perhaps you have an actual figure to show exactly how many thousands of lives were spared solely because of vaccination? I’ve said from the very start, you don’t inoculate an entire population (actually I should say The World) because a very small percentage of people will suffer a bad outcome. I’d urge anybody to look at the ONS figures from an objective side. 180,000 infections and 600 deaths sounds scary. Why do you think the death figures quoted are deaths for any reason, they are *not even deaths for any reason where COVID was mentioned on the death certificate*. Theres far too many ‘listeners’ and not enough questions being asked | |||
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"Name me one other vaccine that skipped long term testing and didn’t stop transmission. ??? The most important attribute of the vax is that it reduces the severity of symptoms if you get covid. That alone has saved thousands of lives in this country. The DEATH rate is 0.004% That’s extremely low, Perhaps you have an actual figure to show exactly how many thousands of lives were spared solely because of vaccination? I’ve said from the very start, you don’t inoculate an entire population (actually I should say The World) because a very small percentage of people will suffer a bad outcome. I’d urge anybody to look at the ONS figures from an objective side. 180,000 infections and 600 deaths sounds scary. Why do you think the death figures quoted are deaths for any reason, they are *not even deaths for any reason where COVID was mentioned on the death certificate*. Theres far too many ‘listeners’ and not enough questions being asked " Where do get a death rate of 0.004%. That would mean about 2700 people have died of covid overall and that is assuming everyone has had covid. More than 2700 people have died of covid this week. | |||
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"Would you meet a person that hasn't had a recent sexual screening? Would it be appropriate to ask that? " Bang on…… | |||
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"Name me one other vaccine that skipped long term testing and didn’t stop transmission. ??? The most important attribute of the vax is that it reduces the severity of symptoms if you get covid. That alone has saved thousands of lives in this country. The DEATH rate is 0.004% That’s extremely low, Perhaps you have an actual figure to show exactly how many thousands of lives were spared solely because of vaccination? I’ve said from the very start, you don’t inoculate an entire population (actually I should say The World) because a very small percentage of people will suffer a bad outcome. " By that rationale why do we vaccinate children then? Are you saying we shouldnt? Chickenpox (Varicella) Diphtheria, tetanus, and whooping cough (pertussis) (DTaP) Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib) Measles, mumps, rubella (MMR) Polio (IPV) (between 6 through 18 months) Pneumococcal (PCV) Hepatitis A (HepA) Hepatitis B (HepB | |||
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"Would you meet an unvaccinated person" Yes. Anyone who asks this needs to seriously sort out there self. There is no difference between a vaccinated person or a unvaccinated person. They both can have the virus at anytime. | |||
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"Fear-mongerong is the main tactic of the anti-vaxers. Twisting information, presenting false stats, saying the vaccine doesn’t work, exaggerating side-effects, saying it hadn’t been tested etc etc. An entire campaign to spread uncertainty, disinformation and fear. And yes, quite a few people have fallen for this orchestrated campaign of fear.
A few more people fell for the orchestrated campaign of hope that vaccines would prevent infection and everything would be back to normal."
A hell of a lot of people have fallen for this. You only have to look at the posts on here lol.
2 weeks to flatten the curve lol
if you get vaccinated, you wont get the virus and won't pass it on lol
only need 2 vaccines to be classed as vaccinated lol
oh...you need a booster and without it you won't be vaccinated lol
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"Name me one other vaccine that skipped long term testing and didn’t stop transmission. ??? The most important attribute of the vax is that it reduces the severity of symptoms if you get covid. That alone has saved thousands of lives in this country. The DEATH rate is 0.004% That’s extremely low, Perhaps you have an actual figure to show exactly how many thousands of lives were spared solely because of vaccination? I’ve said from the very start, you don’t inoculate an entire population (actually I should say The World) because a very small percentage of people will suffer a bad outcome. By that rationale why do we vaccinate children then? Are you saying we shouldnt? Chickenpox (Varicella) Diphtheria, tetanus, and whooping cough (pertussis) (DTaP) Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib) Measles, mumps, rubella (MMR) Polio (IPV) (between 6 through 18 months) Pneumococcal (PCV) Hepatitis A (HepA) Hepatitis B (HepB" Because most of the above can kill or harm children, average age for covid is 82.5 so not the same thing? | |||
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"I am more interested in a lateral flow test result than vaccination status. The latter is a belief system and the former a measure of risk to me " Just so you know, the positive predictive value of LFTs is rather average, variable between kits, and between strains..UNLESS you are symptomatic, in which case it can be in the 80% accuracy. ... | |||
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"If you're fit and healthy there's absolutely no need to get any of the jabs, your immune system should combat the virus. The flu was and still is one of the biggest killers in the World, they don't force people to get vaccinated against it though. The people who lay down these ridiculous rules (not laws) regarding mask wearing (pointless), social distancing (pathetic), lateral flow tests (inaccurate) etc, have proved there's absolutely nothing to worry about unless you've got underlying health issues." It's entirely up to you if you get the vaccine, but don't kid yourself, plenty of young healthy for people have ended up in ICU and many died. Yes omicron is less fatal but we still don't know the long term effects and we know for a fact that the vaccine prevents serious complications, face coverings are an effective measure and there is plenty of evidence for it and absolutely zero evidence they aren't effective. Lateral flow tests are accurate enough to det CT the vast majority of positives. As for "social distancing doesn't work" well that doesn't warrant comment lol Suit yourself but don't try to suck others into your fantasy world it's immoral. | |||
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"If you're fit and healthy there's absolutely no need to get any of the jabs, your immune system should combat the virus. The flu was and still is one of the biggest killers in the World, they don't force people to get vaccinated against it though. The people who lay down these ridiculous rules (not laws) regarding mask wearing (pointless), social distancing (pathetic), lateral flow tests (inaccurate) etc, have proved there's absolutely nothing to worry about unless you've got underlying health issues." You are absolutely right with about 30% of what you have written. The other 70% is complete bollocks. Shame though. | |||
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"If you're fit and healthy there's absolutely no need to get any of the jabs, your immune system should combat the virus. The flu was and still is one of the biggest killers in the World, they don't force people to get vaccinated against it though. The people who lay down these ridiculous rules (not laws) regarding mask wearing (pointless), social distancing (pathetic), lateral flow tests (inaccurate) etc, have proved there's absolutely nothing to worry about unless you've got underlying health issues. You are absolutely right with about 30% of what you have written. The other 70% is complete bollocks. Shame though." What isn't true? | |||
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"If you're fit and healthy there's absolutely no need to get any of the jabs, your immune system should combat the virus. The flu was and still is one of the biggest killers in the World, they don't force people to get vaccinated against it though. The people who lay down these ridiculous rules (not laws) regarding mask wearing (pointless), social distancing (pathetic), lateral flow tests (inaccurate) etc, have proved there's absolutely nothing to worry about unless you've got underlying health issues." Absolutely correct. LFT do NOT detect live virus. Only a viral culture in a lab can do that. I work in a school, at one point we had 17 staff off after positive lateral flow tests. Not one of them had any symptoms and none were ill. This doesn't mean that Covid isn't a thing... people with underlying health issues and the elderly and infirm should have resources focussed on them... butfor the vast majority of us, it is not the deadly, fatal virus we have been fear-mongered into believing. | |||
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"If you're fit and healthy there's absolutely no need to get any of the jabs, your immune system should combat the virus. The flu was and still is one of the biggest killers in the World, they don't force people to get vaccinated against it though. The people who lay down these ridiculous rules (not laws) regarding mask wearing (pointless), social distancing (pathetic), lateral flow tests (inaccurate) etc, have proved there's absolutely nothing to worry about unless you've got underlying health issues. It's entirely up to you if you get the vaccine, but don't kid yourself, plenty of young healthy for people have ended up in ICU and many died. Yes omicron is less fatal but we still don't know the long term effects and we know for a fact that the vaccine prevents serious complications, face coverings are an effective measure and there is plenty of evidence for it and absolutely zero evidence they aren't effective. Lateral flow tests are accurate enough to det CT the vast majority of positives. As for "social distancing doesn't work" well that doesn't warrant comment lol Suit yourself but don't try to suck others into your fantasy world it's immoral." Lol. This virus is staying with is for life... don't kid yourself if you think it'll just disappear because you're stood 2 meters away from someone. If people carry on living like this, without freedom, constantly in fear, then they'll have a very sheltered existance. As for the mask wearing, there's plenty of scientific evidence to prove that they're ineffective. I'd upload videos if I knew how to do it. Lateral flow tests are something like 60-70 % accurate, great for a 50/50 result. | |||
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"If you're fit and healthy there's absolutely no need to get any of the jabs, your immune system should combat the virus. The flu was and still is one of the biggest killers in the World, they don't force people to get vaccinated against it though. The people who lay down these ridiculous rules (not laws) regarding mask wearing (pointless), social distancing (pathetic), lateral flow tests (inaccurate) etc, have proved there's absolutely nothing to worry about unless you've got underlying health issues. It's entirely up to you if you get the vaccine, but don't kid yourself, plenty of young healthy for people have ended up in ICU and many died. Yes omicron is less fatal but we still don't know the long term effects and we know for a fact that the vaccine prevents serious complications, face coverings are an effective measure and there is plenty of evidence for it and absolutely zero evidence they aren't effective. Lateral flow tests are accurate enough to det CT the vast majority of positives. As for "social distancing doesn't work" well that doesn't warrant comment lol Suit yourself but don't try to suck others into your fantasy world it's immoral. Lol. This virus is staying with is for life... don't kid yourself if you think it'll just disappear because you're stood 2 meters away from someone. If people carry on living like this, without freedom, constantly in fear, then they'll have a very sheltered existance. As for the mask wearing, there's plenty of scientific evidence to prove that they're ineffective. I'd upload videos if I knew how to do it. Lateral flow tests are something like 60-70 % accurate, great for a 50/50 result. " LFTs as you say are about 70% accurate. But not equally for false positive and false negatives. The chance of a false negative is around 50%. The chance of a false positive is virtually zero if the test is done correctly. | |||
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"How would you explain all these medical emergencies required at football matches? Seems to happen ever week. All vaccinated, healthy sportsmen." Things normally are in the crowd rather than on the pitch. In the past the game would have just carried on now they stop the game. Sportsmen collapsing was debated a few years ago, before covid, when a few famous footballers collapsed and within a few months. The conclusion was no more footballers were getting ill it was just more reported and monitoring was better. If you are inferring that vaccines are causing something you are wide of the mark. Footballers vaccination rates are way below the normal population. However 2 high profile footballers got covid induced heart problems at AFCON, thankfully both back to normal. | |||
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"How would you explain all these medical emergencies required at football matches? Seems to happen ever week. All vaccinated, healthy sportsmen. Things normally are in the crowd rather than on the pitch. In the past the game would have just carried on now they stop the game. Sportsmen collapsing was debated a few years ago, before covid, when a few famous footballers collapsed and within a few months. The conclusion was no more footballers were getting ill it was just more reported and monitoring was better. If you are inferring that vaccines are causing something you are wide of the mark. Footballers vaccination rates are way below the normal population. However 2 high profile footballers got covid induced heart problems at AFCON, thankfully both back to normal." What rubbish | |||
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"How would you explain all these medical emergencies required at football matches? Seems to happen ever week. All vaccinated, healthy sportsmen. Things normally are in the crowd rather than on the pitch. In the past the game would have just carried on now they stop the game. Sportsmen collapsing was debated a few years ago, before covid, when a few famous footballers collapsed and within a few months. The conclusion was no more footballers were getting ill it was just more reported and monitoring was better. If you are inferring that vaccines are causing something you are wide of the mark. Footballers vaccination rates are way below the normal population. However 2 high profile footballers got covid induced heart problems at AFCON, thankfully both back to normal. What rubbish "Which bit exactly? | |||
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"How would you explain all these medical emergencies required at football matches? Seems to happen ever week. All vaccinated, healthy sportsmen. Things normally are in the crowd rather than on the pitch. In the past the game would have just carried on now they stop the game. Sportsmen collapsing was debated a few years ago, before covid, when a few famous footballers collapsed and within a few months. The conclusion was no more footballers were getting ill it was just more reported and monitoring was better. If you are inferring that vaccines are causing something you are wide of the mark. Footballers vaccination rates are way below the normal population. However 2 high profile footballers got covid induced heart problems at AFCON, thankfully both back to normal." Christian Eriksson, John Fleck, Sergio Aguero just 3 of the 'high profile' footballers fully vaccinated, being taken off the pitch due to medical reasons. A player from the Spanish 2nd division died on the pitch a few days ago (obviously it's not reported, he wasn't famous enough). Never used to hear about fans collapsing in the stadiums in practically every game, so I'm not sure where you've got your information from. | |||
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"How would you explain all these medical emergencies required at football matches? Seems to happen ever week. All vaccinated, healthy sportsmen. Things normally are in the crowd rather than on the pitch. In the past the game would have just carried on now they stop the game. Sportsmen collapsing was debated a few years ago, before covid, when a few famous footballers collapsed and within a few months. The conclusion was no more footballers were getting ill it was just more reported and monitoring was better. If you are inferring that vaccines are causing something you are wide of the mark. Footballers vaccination rates are way below the normal population. However 2 high profile footballers got covid induced heart problems at AFCON, thankfully both back to normal. Christian Eriksson, John Fleck, Sergio Aguero just 3 of the 'high profile' footballers fully vaccinated, being taken off the pitch due to medical reasons. A player from the Spanish 2nd division died on the pitch a few days ago (obviously it's not reported, he wasn't famous enough). Never used to hear about fans collapsing in the stadiums in practically every game, so I'm not sure where you've got your information from." Sergio aguero was diagnosed with heart problems when he was young around 18. Had to retire to further viral, probably damage to covid. John fleck seizure and erikksen heart attack neither were vaccinated at the time and neither was Charlie wyke who also had a heart attack. Anything else I said not true? | |||
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"How would you explain all these medical emergencies required at football matches? Seems to happen ever week. All vaccinated, healthy sportsmen. Things normally are in the crowd rather than on the pitch. In the past the game would have just carried on now they stop the game. Sportsmen collapsing was debated a few years ago, before covid, when a few famous footballers collapsed and within a few months. The conclusion was no more footballers were getting ill it was just more reported and monitoring was better. If you are inferring that vaccines are causing something you are wide of the mark. Footballers vaccination rates are way below the normal population. However 2 high profile footballers got covid induced heart problems at AFCON, thankfully both back to normal. Christian Eriksson, John Fleck, Sergio Aguero just 3 of the 'high profile' footballers fully vaccinated, being taken off the pitch due to medical reasons. A player from the Spanish 2nd division died on the pitch a few days ago (obviously it's not reported, he wasn't famous enough). Never used to hear about fans collapsing in the stadiums in practically every game, so I'm not sure where you've got your information from." I have been a regular at football matches for 40 years and people collapse fairly often. Until maybe a year or 2 ago they just carried on playing now they stop the game. | |||
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"If you're fit and healthy there's absolutely no need to get any of the jabs, your immune system should combat the virus. The flu was and still is one of the biggest killers in the World, they don't force people to get vaccinated against it though. The people who lay down these ridiculous rules (not laws) regarding mask wearing (pointless), social distancing (pathetic), lateral flow tests (inaccurate) etc, have proved there's absolutely nothing to worry about unless you've got underlying health issues. It's entirely up to you if you get the vaccine, but don't kid yourself, plenty of young healthy for people have ended up in ICU and many died. Yes omicron is less fatal but we still don't know the long term effects and we know for a fact that the vaccine prevents serious complications, face coverings are an effective measure and there is plenty of evidence for it and absolutely zero evidence they aren't effective. Lateral flow tests are accurate enough to det CT the vast majority of positives. As for "social distancing doesn't work" well that doesn't warrant comment lol Suit yourself but don't try to suck others into your fantasy world it's immoral. Lol. This virus is staying with is for life... don't kid yourself if you think it'll just disappear because you're stood 2 meters away from someone. If people carry on living like this, without freedom, constantly in fear, then they'll have a very sheltered existance. As for the mask wearing, there's plenty of scientific evidence to prove that they're ineffective. I'd upload videos if I knew how to do it. Lateral flow tests are something like 60-70 % accurate, great for a 50/50 result. " Lol, a similar understanding of percentages as to epidemiology,. Nice one | |||
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"If you're fit and healthy there's absolutely no need to get any of the jabs, your immune system should combat the virus. The flu was and still is one of the biggest killers in the World, they don't force people to get vaccinated against it though. The people who lay down these ridiculous rules (not laws) regarding mask wearing (pointless), social distancing (pathetic), lateral flow tests (inaccurate) etc, have proved there's absolutely nothing to worry about unless you've got underlying health issues. It's entirely up to you if you get the vaccine, but don't kid yourself, plenty of young healthy for people have ended up in ICU and many died. Yes omicron is less fatal but we still don't know the long term effects and we know for a fact that the vaccine prevents serious complications, face coverings are an effective measure and there is plenty of evidence for it and absolutely zero evidence they aren't effective. Lateral flow tests are accurate enough to det CT the vast majority of positives. As for "social distancing doesn't work" well that doesn't warrant comment lol Suit yourself but don't try to suck others into your fantasy world it's immoral. Lol. This virus is staying with is for life... don't kid yourself if you think it'll just disappear because you're stood 2 meters away from someone. If people carry on living like this, without freedom, constantly in fear, then they'll have a very sheltered existance. As for the mask wearing, there's plenty of scientific evidence to prove that they're ineffective. I'd upload videos if I knew how to do it. Lateral flow tests are something like 60-70 % accurate, great for a 50/50 result. Lol, a similar understanding of percentages as to epidemiology,. Nice one "I'm not even going to pretend what you're talking about. I know what percentages are, don't think I've used it incorrectly. Obviously you've been to a posh school, or looked up some extravagant word to use. Nice one | |||
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"If you're fit and healthy there's absolutely no need to get any of the jabs, your immune system should combat the virus. The flu was and still is one of the biggest killers in the World, they don't force people to get vaccinated against it though. The people who lay down these ridiculous rules (not laws) regarding mask wearing (pointless), social distancing (pathetic), lateral flow tests (inaccurate) etc, have proved there's absolutely nothing to worry about unless you've got underlying health issues. It's entirely up to you if you get the vaccine, but don't kid yourself, plenty of young healthy for people have ended up in ICU and many died. " Very late to this particular party but I think we need to move away from statement like this. Saying “plenty” and “many” is totally subjective (pretty sure I have done this as well so my bad too). We need proportions to being able to accurately determine risk profile. The proportion of people in younger age groups ending up in ICU or dying is tiny compared to older groups. If you factor out other health conditions and take account of general levels of health/fitness the numbers are even smaller. That doesn’t mean there is no risk. Far from it! But the proportional risk is significantly reduced. | |||
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"We always like to see up to date vaccine certificates and a blood, urine and poo sample brought to initial pub meet so we can analyse them at the bar. "To be fair, some of the people we encountered (but didn’t play with) on the fetish scene would probably have enjoyed that! | |||
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"We always like to see up to date vaccine certificates and a blood, urine and poo sample brought to initial pub meet so we can analyse them at the bar.
To be fair, some of the people we encountered (but didn’t play with) on the fetish scene would probably have enjoyed that! "I can quite believe that. ???????? | |||
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"What a shocking question, indeed offensive. I can flip that, would you meet a vaccinated person who seems to think they are superman/woman and immune to catching and spreading the disease? The amount of self righteous "vaccinated" people out there is incredible. I don't think there is such a thing as vaccinated person any more as the vaccine boosters only last weeks and the original two jabs seem to be dead in the water. But let's queue up and get a fourth when it comes to continue the vaccinated pretence of superman/woman hood. Rant over. " Why is it offensive? | |||
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"No one will care about vaccinations or Covid once WWIII breaks out. "Soon. | |||
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