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"Can you imagine taking a measles vaccine if 'protection' only lasted 3 months, and you would still get the disease anyway? What a joke. This is the kind of insane bullshit people are putting up with, with regards to the covid shots, which are highly experimental, and we know now have devastating side effects. It was in the news only today about blood clots and the J&J shot." There's insane bullshit. And there's this insane bullshit...... Winston | |||
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"Can you imagine taking a measles vaccine if 'protection' only lasted 3 months, and you would still get the disease anyway? What a joke. This is the kind of insane bullshit people are putting up with, with regards to the covid shots, which are highly experimental, and we know now have devastating side effects. It was in the news only today about blood clots and the J&J shot. There's insane bullshit. And there's this insane bullshit...... Winston" *snort* | |||
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"Can you imagine taking a measles vaccine if 'protection' only lasted 3 months, and you would still get the disease anyway? What a joke. This is the kind of insane bullshit people are putting up with, with regards to the covid shots, which are highly experimental, and we know now have devastating side effects. It was in the news only today about blood clots and the J&J shot. There's insane bullshit. And there's this insane bullshit...... Winston *snort*" It's all over the news.... *wheres Tom? Winston | |||
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"Unbelievable that so many people even 2+ years on think that they should not catch COVID-19 if they have been vaccinated. The vaccine merely educates your body to handle the virus better if you catch it and make you less ill and less likely to die. How stupid are some people? " I believe some people on here are virgins lol | |||
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"Can you imagine taking a measles vaccine if 'protection' only lasted 3 months, and you would still get the disease anyway? What a joke. This is the kind of insane bullshit people are putting up with, with regards to the covid shots, which are highly experimental, and we know now have devastating side effects. It was in the news only today about blood clots and the J&J shot." Not only can you get measles after you have had the measles vaccine you can catch measles more than once. Seems you do not know as much as you imagine you know, sorry | |||
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"Can you imagine taking a measles vaccine if 'protection' only lasted 3 months, and you would still get the disease anyway? What a joke. This is the kind of insane bullshit people are putting up with, with regards to the covid shots, which are highly experimental, and we know now have devastating side effects. It was in the news only today about blood clots and the J&J shot." You can still catch measles after getting the vaccine but if you do you don't get as unwell or die from it. Guess what? it works the same way as the covid vaccine because that is what vaccines do. They are not a cure but an aid to prevention. The side effects of long covid have been more devastating than the vaccine side effects. Also the risk of clots from covid is massively higher than getting a clot from the vaccine. | |||
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"Can you imagine taking a measles vaccine if 'protection' only lasted 3 months, and you would still get the disease anyway? What a joke. This is the kind of insane bullshit people are putting up with, with regards to the covid shots, which are highly experimental, and we know now have devastating side effects. It was in the news only today about blood clots and the J&J shot." Bit overblown there 
It was clear from the launch of the 1st vaccine that they were protective and didn't stop all infections. This was widely promoted.
It sounds like you don't know much about the many, or any of the vaccines in use. With billions of doses given, they are amongs the best understood vaccines that humans have ever used and far from 'experimental'.
They have largely seen responsible for you living in an open society, alive and presumably in reasonable shape. Those who would have preferred something different for us, would cause serious concern. Deaths and serious disabilities would be catastrophically higher.
There's rarely a perfect option in a crisis but vaccines have been life savers for many thousands. | |||
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"Can you imagine taking a measles vaccine if 'protection' only lasted 3 months, and you would still get the disease anyway? What a joke. This is the kind of insane bullshit people are putting up with, with regards to the covid shots, which are highly experimental, and we know now have devastating side effects. It was in the news only today about blood clots and the J&J shot. You can still catch measles after getting the vaccine but if you do you don't get as unwell or die from it. Guess what? it works the same way as the covid vaccine because that is what vaccines do. They are not a cure but an aid to prevention. The side effects of long covid have been more devastating than the vaccine side effects. Also the risk of clots from covid is massively higher than getting a clot from the vaccine. " The measles vaccine is supposed to be 97% effective after 2 doses at preventing measles. Protection is supposed to last for life. This means you won't or catch can't measles because you are immune. Only 3% of people don't develop sufficient antibodies after vaccination. When the covid vaccines were released all the relevant health agencies told the general public that these experimental jabs would prevent infection and prevent transmission. You see that is how a vaccine is supposed to work. But it became clear very early on this was a giant lie. They were not working at all in this regard, in fact infection rates between the vaccinated and unvaccinated were the same. Then the companies Pfizer etc and the health agencies back tracked and said yes they don't prevent infection they just prevent severe hospitalization and death. Another dubious claim if you actually look at the data. After 2 years of nonstop gaslighting covid has been dropped faster than a hot potato. I think in large part because the policies and vaccines have completely failed, and the establishment knows it. The vaccine drive has stalled and people people are mostly stopping wearing masks and cases continue to fall. | |||
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"Unbelievable that so many people even 2+ years on think that they should not catch COVID-19 if they have been vaccinated. The vaccine merely educates your body to handle the virus better if you catch it and make you less ill and less likely to die. How stupid are some people? " Very stupid | |||
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"Can you imagine taking a measles vaccine if 'protection' only lasted 3 months, and you would still get the disease anyway? What a joke. This is the kind of insane bullshit people are putting up with, with regards to the covid shots, which are highly experimental, and we know now have devastating side effects. It was in the news only today about blood clots and the J&J shot. You can still catch measles after getting the vaccine but if you do you don't get as unwell or die from it. Guess what? it works the same way as the covid vaccine because that is what vaccines do. They are not a cure but an aid to prevention. The side effects of long covid have been more devastating than the vaccine side effects. Also the risk of clots from covid is massively higher than getting a clot from the vaccine. The measles vaccine is supposed to be 97% effective after 2 doses at preventing measles. Protection is supposed to last for life. This means you won't or catch can't measles because you are immune. Only 3% of people don't develop sufficient antibodies after vaccination. When the covid vaccines were released all the relevant health agencies told the general public that these experimental jabs would prevent infection and prevent transmission. You see that is how a vaccine is supposed to work. But it became clear very early on this was a giant lie. They were not working at all in this regard, in fact infection rates between the vaccinated and unvaccinated were the same. Then the companies Pfizer etc and the health agencies back tracked and said yes they don't prevent infection they just prevent severe hospitalization and death. Another dubious claim if you actually look at the data. After 2 years of nonstop gaslighting covid has been dropped faster than a hot potato. I think in large part because the policies and vaccines have completely failed, and the establishment knows it. The vaccine drive has stalled and people people are mostly stopping wearing masks and cases continue to fall. " Just for once, maybe some sort of stat or link to substantiate some of this? Just one. Doesn't matter which tiny piece of your beliefs that we can go see for ourselves. Go on..... Winston | |||
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" There you go Winston. Over one million adverse events. Based upon a Harvard study only 1% of adverse effects are reported so that suggests they are neither safe or effective." Banned link btw You understand that this is the opinion and interpretation of a single individual, don't you? "I am just a concerned citizen reporting on often overlooked public data regarding adverse events related to the new Covid-19 vaccines. I work with data for a living and have been in the technology field for over two decades." Hence it "looks" very "official", but his claims of his experience seem unlikely considering how he has interpreted the results. The people who actually created the data CDC disagree with him: "Anyone, including Healthcare providers, vaccine manufacturers, and the public can submit reports to the system. While very important in monitoring vaccine safety, VAERS reports alone cannot be used to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event or illness. VAERS reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable. The number of reports alone cannot be interpreted as evidence of a causal association between a vaccine and an adverse event, or as evidence about the existence, severity, frequency, or rates of problems associated with vaccines." Check your sources before believing them or repeating them. | |||
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" There you go Winston. Over one million adverse events. Based upon a Harvard study only 1% of adverse effects are reported so that suggests they are neither safe or effective." That's, er, just a link to a blog | |||
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"Unbelievable that so many people even 2+ years on think that they should not catch COVID-19 if they have been vaccinated. The vaccine merely educates your body to handle the virus better if you catch it and make you less ill and less likely to die. How stupid are some people? " Not always stupid. Scientific and statistical knowledge is very poor in the wider population. People tend to believe those who they trust, so crazy family over government. Our Government is demonstrably untrustworthy and some cannot distinguish that from the science. The original credible worst case scenarios were misreported and misunderstood as a prediction that did not come true making all science unreliable. The reality is inconvenient or instill guilt for others due to their actions so they find any "evidence" to support their view. This is particularly true if they have taken their position early, before the outcome became apparent. There are also some stupid people though... | |||
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"No amount of data will convince people either way. We all have entrenched positions. I rely on the scientific method. Vaccine effectiveness and safety are a hypothesis, any hypothesis must be falsifiable in order to be scientific. They are not falsifiable if no data is accepted at any point. Data coming from NZ, where they still report on daily covid cases and vaccination status show that the jabs are worse than useless with double and triple jabbed way more likely to catch covid. But, no amount of data will ever be enough unfortunately. " I don't think that you understand the data. You are using the words, but it is also apparent that you do not understand the "scientific method". The actual scientists disagree with you. Data certainly does not need to be "falsifiable" to prove a hypothesis and incorrect data does need to excluded at some point. You are correct that positions are entrenched though. Why is it more likely that there is a conspiracy than it is an actual global pandemic that has occurred regularly throughout history? Why is it not possible that in a world with space ships and mobile phones we cannot create a vaccine for a new disease? | |||
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"Just putting this out there for the debate. I think (though happy if someone knowledgeable corrects me), that the last few months of the currently dominant variant have resulted in more infections but less hospitalisations and deaths per 100k than the original variant over 2 probably 2.5 years ago. We also know a bit more about the efficacy and longevity of the many vaccines, their potential benefits and yes potential risks. We know a bit more about long covid and the effects on cognition for some. The decision and compulsion people were making for their travel requirements and employment requirements to vaccinate were based on what we knew 2 years ago. It seems those who chose to have a vaccine are as convinced as ever that it is what they want to do, even if it is needed every 6 months and those who advocate against a vaccine remain as unconvinced that its the right choice for them. I'm rather surprised that none of the producers have updated the vaccine to combat today's variant more effectively though. " I agree with most of this. We take a flu vaccine annually, so every six months is hardly that terrible. As you stated, the lethality of the latest strain, although not negligible, is significantly lower than it was. It is apparent that mutation rates are very high so effort seems to be going into trying to develop a universal vaccine and therapeutic antivirals as treatment. | |||
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"Unbelievable that so many people even 2+ years on think that they should not catch COVID-19 if they have been vaccinated. The vaccine merely educates your body to handle the virus better if you catch it and make you less ill and less likely to die. How stupid are some people? " Unfortunately there is no vaccine for stupidity, You just have to maintain social distance.  | |||
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"I’m no scientist but no vaccine loads of people die Vaccines very low deaths There must be a link " It's a total coincidence | |||
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"Unbelievable that so many people even 2+ years on think that they should not catch COVID-19 if they have been vaccinated. The vaccine merely educates your body to handle the virus better if you catch it and make you less ill and less likely to die. How stupid are some people? Unfortunately there is no vaccine for stupidity, You just have to maintain social distance. " | |||
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"Unbelievable that so many people even 2+ years on think that they should not catch COVID-19 if they have been vaccinated. The vaccine merely educates your body to handle the virus better if you catch it and make you less ill and less likely to die. How stupid are some people? Unfortunately there is no vaccine for stupidity, You just have to maintain social distance. "Masks help too. Not just because of a barrier between you and contagion, but also because some stupid people are almost compelled to out themselves when they see one, by hurling abuse. If I know who they are, I know who to avoid | |||
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"Just putting this out there for the debate. I think (though happy if someone knowledgeable corrects me), that the last few months of the currently dominant variant have resulted in more infections but less hospitalisations and deaths per 100k than the original variant over 2 probably 2.5 years ago. We also know a bit more about the efficacy and longevity of the many vaccines, their potential benefits and yes potential risks. We know a bit more about long covid and the effects on cognition for some. The decision and compulsion people were making for their travel requirements and employment requirements to vaccinate were based on what we knew 2 years ago. It seems those who chose to have a vaccine are as convinced as ever that it is what they want to do, even if it is needed every 6 months and those who advocate against a vaccine remain as unconvinced that its the right choice for them. I'm rather surprised that none of the producers have updated the vaccine to combat today's variant more effectively though. I agree with most of this. We take a flu vaccine annually, so every six months is hardly that terrible. As you stated, the lethality of the latest strain, although not negligible, is significantly lower than it was. It is apparent that mutation rates are very high so effort seems to be going into trying to develop a universal vaccine and therapeutic antivirals as treatment." Interestingly this just popped into my newsfeed... Quote of from the jcvi.. “You just don’t achieve anything very useful by [further] immunising healthy young people with these vaccines because they rarely get sick – which the vaccines prevent,” he said, adding that vaccines offered poor and short-lived protection against mild infection and onwards transmission." The full article is here... https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/06/healthy-young-people-uk-may-never-offered-another-covid-jab-expert The picture changes.. | |||
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"Just putting this out there for the debate. I think (though happy if someone knowledgeable corrects me), that the last few months of the currently dominant variant have resulted in more infections but less hospitalisations and deaths per 100k than the original variant over 2 probably 2.5 years ago. We also know a bit more about the efficacy and longevity of the many vaccines, their potential benefits and yes potential risks. We know a bit more about long covid and the effects on cognition for some. The decision and compulsion people were making for their travel requirements and employment requirements to vaccinate were based on what we knew 2 years ago. It seems those who chose to have a vaccine are as convinced as ever that it is what they want to do, even if it is needed every 6 months and those who advocate against a vaccine remain as unconvinced that its the right choice for them. I'm rather surprised that none of the producers have updated the vaccine to combat today's variant more effectively though. I agree with most of this. We take a flu vaccine annually, so every six months is hardly that terrible. As you stated, the lethality of the latest strain, although not negligible, is significantly lower than it was. It is apparent that mutation rates are very high so effort seems to be going into trying to develop a universal vaccine and therapeutic antivirals as treatment. Interestingly this just popped into my newsfeed... Quote of from the jcvi.. “You just don’t achieve anything very useful by [further] immunising healthy young people with these vaccines because they rarely get sick – which the vaccines prevent,” he said, adding that vaccines offered poor and short-lived protection against mild infection and onwards transmission." The full article is here... https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/06/healthy-young-people-uk-may-never-offered-another-covid-jab-expert The picture changes.. " And still people will defend the vaccines and the right to jab kids | |||
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"Just putting this out there for the debate. I think (though happy if someone knowledgeable corrects me), that the last few months of the currently dominant variant have resulted in more infections but less hospitalisations and deaths per 100k than the original variant over 2 probably 2.5 years ago. We also know a bit more about the efficacy and longevity of the many vaccines, their potential benefits and yes potential risks. We know a bit more about long covid and the effects on cognition for some. The decision and compulsion people were making for their travel requirements and employment requirements to vaccinate were based on what we knew 2 years ago. It seems those who chose to have a vaccine are as convinced as ever that it is what they want to do, even if it is needed every 6 months and those who advocate against a vaccine remain as unconvinced that its the right choice for them. I'm rather surprised that none of the producers have updated the vaccine to combat today's variant more effectively though. I agree with most of this. We take a flu vaccine annually, so every six months is hardly that terrible. As you stated, the lethality of the latest strain, although not negligible, is significantly lower than it was. It is apparent that mutation rates are very high so effort seems to be going into trying to develop a universal vaccine and therapeutic antivirals as treatment. Interestingly this just popped into my newsfeed... Quote of from the jcvi.. “You just don’t achieve anything very useful by [further] immunising healthy young people with these vaccines because they rarely get sick – which the vaccines prevent,” he said, adding that vaccines offered poor and short-lived protection against mild infection and onwards transmission." The full article is here... https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/06/healthy-young-people-uk-may-never-offered-another-covid-jab-expert The picture changes.. And still people will defend the vaccines and the right to jab kids " Well I imagine next winter when we are all living indoors again the picture will change again... And it may make more sense then... Or not... Depending on what we know them. | |||
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"Just putting this out there for the debate. I think (though happy if someone knowledgeable corrects me), that the last few months of the currently dominant variant have resulted in more infections but less hospitalisations and deaths per 100k than the original variant over 2 probably 2.5 years ago. We also know a bit more about the efficacy and longevity of the many vaccines, their potential benefits and yes potential risks. We know a bit more about long covid and the effects on cognition for some. The decision and compulsion people were making for their travel requirements and employment requirements to vaccinate were based on what we knew 2 years ago. It seems those who chose to have a vaccine are as convinced as ever that it is what they want to do, even if it is needed every 6 months and those who advocate against a vaccine remain as unconvinced that its the right choice for them. I'm rather surprised that none of the producers have updated the vaccine to combat today's variant more effectively though. I agree with most of this. We take a flu vaccine annually, so every six months is hardly that terrible. As you stated, the lethality of the latest strain, although not negligible, is significantly lower than it was. It is apparent that mutation rates are very high so effort seems to be going into trying to develop a universal vaccine and therapeutic antivirals as treatment. Interestingly this just popped into my newsfeed... Quote of from the jcvi.. “You just don’t achieve anything very useful by [further] immunising healthy young people with these vaccines because they rarely get sick – which the vaccines prevent,” he said, adding that vaccines offered poor and short-lived protection against mild infection and onwards transmission." The full article is here... https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/06/healthy-young-people-uk-may-never-offered-another-covid-jab-expert The picture changes.. And still people will defend the vaccines and the right to jab kids " "The right to jab healthy kids"? So what I hear you saying is that parents should not have the right to decide how to manage their children's health decisions. That such an idea is indefensible. Who should force parents to treat children a certain way. The state? And does this apply to every health decision, or just stuff you don't like?  | |||
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"There is NOTHING good about vaccines, never has been, never will be. Not just talking about the covid one either, but saying that, the covid one is not a vaccine by any stretch of the imagination. People should really educate THEMSELVES on what's really going on and what they are potentially putting into their bodies because no one else will do it for you." You're right. Absolutely right. I've rarely seen a more accurate observation. People really should educate themselves. I'd start with comments like "There is NOTHING good about vaccines, never has been, never will be" I don't where to start with stupidity like this. Winston | |||
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"There is NOTHING good about vaccines, never has been, never will be. Not just talking about the covid one either, but saying that, the covid one is not a vaccine by any stretch of the imagination. People should really educate THEMSELVES on what's really going on and what they are potentially putting into their bodies because no one else will do it for you. You're right. Absolutely right. I've rarely seen a more accurate observation. People really should educate themselves. I'd start with comments like "There is NOTHING good about vaccines, never has been, never will be" I don't where to start with stupidity like this. Winston" Funny how, in this context, "educate yourself" or "do your own research" means "agree with me". To me education and research means seeking and analysing sources, not cultish like following of a particular view. (or telling people because they disagree with you, that they are merely cultish like followers. And yup, I know people will turn that around on me - I'm sorry I don't see the vaccines as the apocalypse, I don't see any credible evidence for that. And yeah, I've looked at all your sources, thanks) | |||
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"There is NOTHING good about vaccines, never has been, never will be. Not just talking about the covid one either, but saying that, the covid one is not a vaccine by any stretch of the imagination. People should really educate THEMSELVES on what's really going on and what they are potentially putting into their bodies because no one else will do it for you. You're right. Absolutely right. I've rarely seen a more accurate observation. People really should educate themselves. I'd start with comments like "There is NOTHING good about vaccines, never has been, never will be" I don't where to start with stupidity like this. Winston Funny how, in this context, "educate yourself" or "do your own research" means "agree with me". To me education and research means seeking and analysing sources, not cultish like following of a particular view. (or telling people because they disagree with you, that they are merely cultish like followers. And yup, I know people will turn that around on me - I'm sorry I don't see the vaccines as the apocalypse, I don't see any credible evidence for that. And yeah, I've looked at all your sources, thanks)" It strikes me as ironic when people who (potentially) owe their good health and longevity to vaccines say things like, "There is NOTHING good about vaccines, never has been, never will be" You never caught smallpox, measles, mumps, rubella, Polio and made it past 45 through good luck I guess. Winston | |||
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"There is NOTHING good about vaccines, never has been, never will be. Not just talking about the covid one either, but saying that, the covid one is not a vaccine by any stretch of the imagination. People should really educate THEMSELVES on what's really going on and what they are potentially putting into their bodies because no one else will do it for you. You're right. Absolutely right. I've rarely seen a more accurate observation. People really should educate themselves. I'd start with comments like "There is NOTHING good about vaccines, never has been, never will be" I don't where to start with stupidity like this. Winston Funny how, in this context, "educate yourself" or "do your own research" means "agree with me". To me education and research means seeking and analysing sources, not cultish like following of a particular view. (or telling people because they disagree with you, that they are merely cultish like followers. And yup, I know people will turn that around on me - I'm sorry I don't see the vaccines as the apocalypse, I don't see any credible evidence for that. And yeah, I've looked at all your sources, thanks) It strikes me as ironic when people who (potentially) owe their good health and longevity to vaccines say things like, "There is NOTHING good about vaccines, never has been, never will be" You never caught smallpox, measles, mumps, rubella, Polio and made it past 45 through good luck I guess. Winston " Quite. Or it's just magic the ratio of infections to deaths in Covid has changed dramatically. | |||
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"Just putting this out there for the debate. I think (though happy if someone knowledgeable corrects me), that the last few months of the currently dominant variant have resulted in more infections but less hospitalisations and deaths per 100k than the original variant over 2 probably 2.5 years ago. We also know a bit more about the efficacy and longevity of the many vaccines, their potential benefits and yes potential risks. We know a bit more about long covid and the effects on cognition for some. The decision and compulsion people were making for their travel requirements and employment requirements to vaccinate were based on what we knew 2 years ago. It seems those who chose to have a vaccine are as convinced as ever that it is what they want to do, even if it is needed every 6 months and those who advocate against a vaccine remain as unconvinced that its the right choice for them. I'm rather surprised that none of the producers have updated the vaccine to combat today's variant more effectively though. I agree with most of this. We take a flu vaccine annually, so every six months is hardly that terrible. As you stated, the lethality of the latest strain, although not negligible, is significantly lower than it was. It is apparent that mutation rates are very high so effort seems to be going into trying to develop a universal vaccine and therapeutic antivirals as treatment. Interestingly this just popped into my newsfeed... Quote of from the jcvi.. “You just don’t achieve anything very useful by [further] immunising healthy young people with these vaccines because they rarely get sick – which the vaccines prevent,” he said, adding that vaccines offered poor and short-lived protection against mild infection and onwards transmission." The full article is here... https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/06/healthy-young-people-uk-may-never-offered-another-covid-jab-expert The picture changes.. And still people will defend the vaccines and the right to jab kids " The point was that when they were introduced they were very important and very useful. As the virus has changed they are less important for some bit still important for the vulnerable. That's a good thong Is the right to be vaccinated not as valid as that not to be? Children are vaccinated for a whole range of things now and have been for many years. At some point none of them had been, so should it never have begun? | |||
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"There is NOTHING good about vaccines, never has been, never will be. Not just talking about the covid one either, but saying that, the covid one is not a vaccine by any stretch of the imagination. People should really educate THEMSELVES on what's really going on and what they are potentially putting into their bodies because no one else will do it for you." People should. You don't appear to have, unfortunately. Why are all vaccines bad? | |||
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"Unbelievable that so many people even 2+ years on think that they should not catch COVID-19 if they have been vaccinated. The vaccine merely educates your body to handle the virus better if you catch it and make you less ill and less likely to die. How stupid are some people? " It’s more crazy to me that this ‘Virus’ thread is still running after 2 years abs people use it. | |||
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"There is NOTHING good about vaccines, never has been, never will be. Not just talking about the covid one either, but saying that, the covid one is not a vaccine by any stretch of the imagination. People should really educate THEMSELVES on what's really going on and what they are potentially putting into their bodies because no one else will do it for you. You're right. Absolutely right. I've rarely seen a more accurate observation. People really should educate themselves. I'd start with comments like "There is NOTHING good about vaccines, never has been, never will be" I don't where to start with stupidity like this. Winston Funny how, in this context, "educate yourself" or "do your own research" means "agree with me". To me education and research means seeking and analysing sources, not cultish like following of a particular view. (or telling people because they disagree with you, that they are merely cultish like followers. And yup, I know people will turn that around on me - I'm sorry I don't see the vaccines as the apocalypse, I don't see any credible evidence for that. And yeah, I've looked at all your sources, thanks) It strikes me as ironic when people who (potentially) owe their good health and longevity to vaccines say things like, "There is NOTHING good about vaccines, never has been, never will be" You never caught smallpox, measles, mumps, rubella, Polio and made it past 45 through good luck I guess. Winston Quite. Or it's just magic the ratio of infections to deaths in Covid has changed dramatically." Well.. To be fair that change could be due to many or most likely a combination of things... Its spring and we are living outside now... New variants that are not as lethal... Changes in behaviours... Acquired natural immunity to name a few... And yes of course however many doses of vaccine played a part too. | |||
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"There is NOTHING good about vaccines, never has been, never will be. Not just talking about the covid one either, but saying that, the covid one is not a vaccine by any stretch of the imagination. People should really educate THEMSELVES on what's really going on and what they are potentially putting into their bodies because no one else will do it for you. You're right. Absolutely right. I've rarely seen a more accurate observation. People really should educate themselves. I'd start with comments like "There is NOTHING good about vaccines, never has been, never will be" I don't where to start with stupidity like this. Winston Funny how, in this context, "educate yourself" or "do your own research" means "agree with me". To me education and research means seeking and analysing sources, not cultish like following of a particular view. (or telling people because they disagree with you, that they are merely cultish like followers. And yup, I know people will turn that around on me - I'm sorry I don't see the vaccines as the apocalypse, I don't see any credible evidence for that. And yeah, I've looked at all your sources, thanks) It strikes me as ironic when people who (potentially) owe their good health and longevity to vaccines say things like, "There is NOTHING good about vaccines, never has been, never will be" You never caught smallpox, measles, mumps, rubella, Polio and made it past 45 through good luck I guess. Winston Quite. Or it's just magic the ratio of infections to deaths in Covid has changed dramatically. Well.. To be fair that change could be due to many or most likely a combination of things... Its spring and we are living outside now... New variants that are not as lethal... Changes in behaviours... Acquired natural immunity to name a few... And yes of course however many doses of vaccine played a part too. " Yes. I absolutely realise that these things are multifactorial. Including vaccines. (if vaccines were useless or harmful, we'd likely have seen death rates like with Alpha when Delta came along, which was supposed to have been more virulent. And our winter with Omicron... Well) | |||
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"I'm off for two weeks in the sun, shall be watching my wife entertain on a nudist beach. Apparently I cant go without being vaccinated. So F*** what all the swinging site experts think, I'm jabbed and on my way. All those who don't want the jab, crack on, who cares, why the need to tell a sex site. I here Skegness is lovely this time of the year. Hasta Luego." Have a great time, we're off to the sun early June, can't wait.  | |||
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"I'm off for two weeks in the sun, shall be watching my wife entertain on a nudist beach. Apparently I cant go without being vaccinated. So F*** what all the swinging site experts think, I'm jabbed and on my way. All those who don't want the jab, crack on, who cares, why the need to tell a sex site. I here Skegness is lovely this time of the year. Hasta Luego." Isn't it funny how you're getting a jab to watch your wife on a nudist beach and not to save your own life from this super lethal virus which will either leave you on a ventilator fighting for your life or leave permanent damage to your health... (I genuinely can't imagine myself getting injected with anything ever just to be able to look at some nude people on a beach ).
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"Can you imagine taking a measles vaccine if 'protection' only lasted 3 months, and you would still get the disease anyway? What a joke. This is the kind of insane bullshit people are putting up with, with regards to the covid shots, which are highly experimental, and we know now have devastating side effects. It was in the news only today about blood clots and the J&J shot. There's insane bullshit. And there's this insane bullshit...... Winston *snort*" Hahahaha | |||
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"The measles vaccine is supposed to be 97% effective after 2 doses at preventing measles. Protection is supposed to last for life. This means you won't or catch can't measles because you are immune. Only 3% of people don't develop sufficient antibodies after vaccination." Sorry but you are wrong, yes the measles vacine is about 97% effective but it's effect wears off over time. However Measles is not like covid, as measles is an example of a stable virus that is unlikely to replicate, whereas Covid replicates or mutates frequently. I wonder why you chose the Measles vaccine which is a completely different type of vaccine to the covid vaccine. The measles vacinne uses a live but weakened load of the virus to produce antibodies in the vaccinated person.The three different Covid vacinnes do not use the live virus but use various methods to make the body think it has been infected with covid and produce the relevant protections to fight future infection | |||
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"The measles vaccine is supposed to be 97% effective after 2 doses at preventing measles. Protection is supposed to last for life. This means you won't or catch can't measles because you are immune. Only 3% of people don't develop sufficient antibodies after vaccination. Sorry but you are wrong, yes the measles vacine is about 97% effective but it's effect wears off over time. However Measles is not like covid, as measles is an example of a stable virus that is unlikely to replicate, whereas Covid replicates or mutates frequently. I wonder why you chose the Measles vaccine which is a completely different type of vaccine to the covid vaccine. The measles vacinne uses a live but weakened load of the virus to produce antibodies in the vaccinated person.The three different Covid vacinnes do not use the live virus but use various methods to make the body think it has been infected with covid and produce the relevant protections to fight future infection " Which other vaccines are there to compare the Covid vaccines to that you deem more suitable? | |||
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"It's plainly obvious reading your remarks that you have 'looked' at nothing whatsoever with regard to any vaccines, let alone the latest 'vaccine', which again....is not a 'vaccine'!" It's not "a" vaccine. There are several vaccines. Plural, not singular. Winston | |||
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"It's plainly obvious reading your remarks that you have 'looked' at nothing whatsoever with regard to any vaccines, let alone the latest 'vaccine', which again....is not a 'vaccine'!" If you're replying to me (given your verbiage) - I do believe you're demonstrating my point 
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"It is quite unbelievable that some some people still think the vaccine stops you getting it. I know people who are triple jabbed and have since had Covid twice! The vaccine only lessens the severity of the symptoms x" I think the vaccines stop to getting sex, even mild sex. | |||
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"There is NOTHING good about vaccines, never has been, never will be. Not just talking about the covid one either, but saying that, the covid one is not a vaccine by any stretch of the imagination. People should really educate THEMSELVES on what's really going on and what they are potentially putting into their bodies because no one else will do it for you." *sigh* If you bothered to actually educate yourself, you'd learn vaccines are incredibly powerful tools that benefit us hugely. For the record, if you didn't have certain vaccines as a kid, you might well now be dead or fucked up in some way. So you have already benefitted from them. | |||
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"Can you imagine taking a measles vaccine if 'protection' only lasted 3 months, and you would still get the disease anyway? What a joke. This is the kind of insane bullshit people are putting up with, with regards to the covid shots, which are highly experimental, and we know now have devastating side effects. It was in the news only today about blood clots and the J&J shot. You can still catch measles after getting the vaccine but if you do you don't get as unwell or die from it. Guess what? it works the same way as the covid vaccine because that is what vaccines do. They are not a cure but an aid to prevention. The side effects of long covid have been more devastating than the vaccine side effects. Also the risk of clots from covid is massively higher than getting a clot from the vaccine. The measles vaccine is supposed to be 97% effective after 2 doses at preventing measles. Protection is supposed to last for life. This means you won't or catch can't measles because you are immune. Only 3% of people don't develop sufficient antibodies after vaccination. When the covid vaccines were released all the relevant health agencies told the general public that these experimental jabs would prevent infection and prevent transmission. You see that is how a vaccine is supposed to work. But it became clear very early on this was a giant lie. They were not working at all in this regard, in fact infection rates between the vaccinated and unvaccinated were the same. Then the companies Pfizer etc and the health agencies back tracked and said yes they don't prevent infection they just prevent severe hospitalization and death. Another dubious claim if you actually look at the data. After 2 years of nonstop gaslighting covid has been dropped faster than a hot potato. I think in large part because the policies and vaccines have completely failed, and the establishment knows it. The vaccine drive has stalled and people people are mostly stopping wearing masks and cases continue to fall. " But the fact that measles replicates and mutates over a much longer time than covid is somewhat irrelevant to this argument in some way. Ask 99.5% of virologists if they would give the vaccines to their loved ones and the answer is yes. I know, I was fortunate to ask more than 10 and over 300 GPs, but hey people will not listen to arguments. Have you ever seen Star Wars. Only a sith deals in absolutes. Medicine is not and will never be absolutes. Vaccination is better than no vaccination in 99.999999% of cases. Put any substance inside 5 billion humans and some will have an allergic reaction, an even smaller no will have a major allergic reaction and an even tinier amount will die. I feel for anyone who has lost someone to both Covid and an adverse vaccine reaction, but to say it hasn't been beneficial to humanity overall is ridiculous. | |||
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"It is quite unbelievable that some some people still think the vaccine stops you getting it. I know people who are triple jabbed and have since had Covid twice! The vaccine only lessens the severity of the symptoms x" The only people who seem to bang on about it now are people who are opposed to vaccination. It was a hope briefly toyed with for a month or so over a year ago. We now know it's not true. And it was never what the vaccines were designed to do. They still "only" radically reduce the risk of hospitalisation or death. | |||
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"There is NOTHING good about vaccines, never has been, never will be. Not just talking about the covid one either, but saying that, the covid one is not a vaccine by any stretch of the imagination. People should really educate THEMSELVES on what's really going on and what they are potentially putting into their bodies because no one else will do it for you." This appears to be a perfect case of someone who has "educated THEMSELVES".
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"Vaccines can switch your defence cells on, they can't add brain cells which is sad, a lot of people could do with a boost." I’m dying
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"Unbelievable that so many people even 2+ years on think that they should not catch COVID-19 if they have been vaccinated. The vaccine merely educates your body to handle the virus better if you catch it and make you less ill and less likely to die. How stupid are some people? " Susannah Reid said how shocked she was that people were still contracting covid after being vaccinated live on air. I just got up and walked out the room at that point...two planks of wood n all that. | |||
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"It's all well and good poking fun at people but the messages have been conflicting. Dr Susan Hopkins, lead if the UKHSA, urged the original booster campaign to slow the spread of the omicron variant. Now,it's a reasonable question to ask how do you slow the spread if not by preventing some from catching or passing it on to others? Yes, others, have been consistent in saying it doesn't prevent anyone catching it but in many cases helps reduce symptoms... In any case I'm not sure we need to be as abrasive as some like to be. " It's not been well publicised, but my understanding is that vaccination (and particularly boosting) reduces rates of transmission. So a vaccinated person is less likely to catch it and less likely to spread it. The public messaging has been horrible, granted, but anyone who says "Covid vaccines don't prevent infection or transmission" as some kind of gotcha... Really isn't aware of how much we know. | |||
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"Can you imagine taking a measles vaccine if 'protection' only lasted 3 months, and you would still get the disease anyway? What a joke. This is the kind of insane bullshit people are putting up with, with regards to the covid shots, which are highly experimental, and we know now have devastating side effects. It was in the news only today about blood clots and the J&J shot. Not only can you get measles after you have had the measles vaccine you can catch measles more than once. Seems you do not know as much as you imagine you know, sorry" True.....I had measles twice as a child. Never had chickenpox tho...despite both my sisters having it, it never got me... | |||
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"It's all well and good poking fun at people but the messages have been conflicting. Dr Susan Hopkins, lead if the UKHSA, urged the original booster campaign to slow the spread of the omicron variant. Now,it's a reasonable question to ask how do you slow the spread if not by preventing some from catching or passing it on to others? Yes, others, have been consistent in saying it doesn't prevent anyone catching it but in many cases helps reduce symptoms... In any case I'm not sure we need to be as abrasive as some like to be. " Vaccination does reduce transmission as it reduces the chance of you catching Covid at all. Even of you do it reduces the period for which you are infectious. If caught, peak viral loading is the same but falls off far more quickly. Messaging is complicated because the mechanisms are complicated and people just don't seem to understand or listen. So, the messages are simplified and then used of "evidence" of conspiracy or lies in retrospect and out of context. | |||
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"It's all well and good poking fun at people but the messages have been conflicting. Dr Susan Hopkins, lead if the UKHSA, urged the original booster campaign to slow the spread of the omicron variant. Now,it's a reasonable question to ask how do you slow the spread if not by preventing some from catching or passing it on to others? Yes, others, have been consistent in saying it doesn't prevent anyone catching it but in many cases helps reduce symptoms... In any case I'm not sure we need to be as abrasive as some like to be. It's not been well publicised, but my understanding is that vaccination (and particularly boosting) reduces rates of transmission. So a vaccinated person is less likely to catch it and less likely to spread it. The public messaging has been horrible, granted, but anyone who says "Covid vaccines don't prevent infection or transmission" as some kind of gotcha... Really isn't aware of how much we know." OK, so, question... How does it reduce rates of transmission? Is that not just a semantic play on words? I mean you've either caught it or not caught it... If you've not caught it... Its prevented you from catching it? Or is it that once you've caught it.... It prevents you from transmitting it to someone else.? Reducing transmission surely relies squarely on preventing some people from catching or transmitting it? I appreciate its a semantic point but I'm genuinely interested to know how it reduces infection rates without stopping some people from catching it... | |||
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"It's all well and good poking fun at people but the messages have been conflicting. Dr Susan Hopkins, lead if the UKHSA, urged the original booster campaign to slow the spread of the omicron variant. Now,it's a reasonable question to ask how do you slow the spread if not by preventing some from catching or passing it on to others? Yes, others, have been consistent in saying it doesn't prevent anyone catching it but in many cases helps reduce symptoms... In any case I'm not sure we need to be as abrasive as some like to be. It's not been well publicised, but my understanding is that vaccination (and particularly boosting) reduces rates of transmission. So a vaccinated person is less likely to catch it and less likely to spread it. The public messaging has been horrible, granted, but anyone who says "Covid vaccines don't prevent infection or transmission" as some kind of gotcha... Really isn't aware of how much we know. OK, so, question... How does it reduce rates of transmission? Is that not just a semantic play on words? I mean you've either caught it or not caught it... If you've not caught it... Its prevented you from catching it? Or is it that once you've caught it.... It prevents you from transmitting it to someone else.? Reducing transmission surely relies squarely on preventing some people from catching or transmitting it? I appreciate its a semantic point but I'm genuinely interested to know how it reduces infection rates without stopping some people from catching it... " See my reply | |||
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"It's all well and good poking fun at people but the messages have been conflicting. Dr Susan Hopkins, lead if the UKHSA, urged the original booster campaign to slow the spread of the omicron variant. Now,it's a reasonable question to ask how do you slow the spread if not by preventing some from catching or passing it on to others? Yes, others, have been consistent in saying it doesn't prevent anyone catching it but in many cases helps reduce symptoms... In any case I'm not sure we need to be as abrasive as some like to be. It's not been well publicised, but my understanding is that vaccination (and particularly boosting) reduces rates of transmission. So a vaccinated person is less likely to catch it and less likely to spread it. The public messaging has been horrible, granted, but anyone who says "Covid vaccines don't prevent infection or transmission" as some kind of gotcha... Really isn't aware of how much we know. OK, so, question... How does it reduce rates of transmission? Is that not just a semantic play on words? I mean you've either caught it or not caught it... If you've not caught it... Its prevented you from catching it? Or is it that once you've caught it.... It prevents you from transmitting it to someone else.? Reducing transmission surely relies squarely on preventing some people from catching or transmitting it? I appreciate its a semantic point but I'm genuinely interested to know how it reduces infection rates without stopping some people from catching it... " It's a population not an individual measure. I recall a household study, I think during Delta - vaccinated householders caught it from infected housemates/family members less than unvaccinated household members. (Maybe Scandinavia?) So yes, if you've caught it you've caught it. But if 100 vaccinated people could catch it, less will (if this is true/if it's still true now) than 100 unvaccinated people. I'd rather be in the group with the better odds. | |||
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"Indeed, we've known this for a long time. They "merely" reduce the chance of dying and hospitalisations significantly. Only seem to reduce long Covid by about 50%. Only a trifle. Not at all important. " I don't know a single unvaxxed person suffering long covid. Also... Those new pfizer docs are interesting. "Safe and effective" | |||
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"Indeed, we've known this for a long time. They "merely" reduce the chance of dying and hospitalisations significantly. Only seem to reduce long Covid by about 50%. Only a trifle. Not at all important. I don't know a single unvaxxed person suffering long covid. Also... Those new pfizer docs are interesting. "Safe and effective" " I do...therefore anecdotal evidence only. | |||
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"Unbelievable that so many people even 2+ years on think that they should not catch COVID-19 if they have been vaccinated. The vaccine merely educates your body to handle the virus better if you catch it and make you less ill and less likely to die. How stupid are some people? " It amazes me people dont understand what catching a virus means. The virus can of course enter your system but that doesn't mean you will contract disease. If the vaccine works well in you then the virus once in your system wont replicate. | |||
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"Indeed, we've known this for a long time. They "merely" reduce the chance of dying and hospitalisations significantly. Only seem to reduce long Covid by about 50%. Only a trifle. Not at all important. I don't know a single unvaxxed person suffering long covid. Also... Those new pfizer docs are interesting. "Safe and effective" " Yeah, I'm aware of the documents and the way they've been spun in the crankosphere ROFL I'll take population stats over an anecdote on a swinging site | |||
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"It's all well and good poking fun at people but the messages have been conflicting. Dr Susan Hopkins, lead if the UKHSA, urged the original booster campaign to slow the spread of the omicron variant. Now,it's a reasonable question to ask how do you slow the spread if not by preventing some from catching or passing it on to others? Yes, others, have been consistent in saying it doesn't prevent anyone catching it but in many cases helps reduce symptoms... In any case I'm not sure we need to be as abrasive as some like to be. It's not been well publicised, but my understanding is that vaccination (and particularly boosting) reduces rates of transmission. So a vaccinated person is less likely to catch it and less likely to spread it. The public messaging has been horrible, granted, but anyone who says "Covid vaccines don't prevent infection or transmission" as some kind of gotcha... Really isn't aware of how much we know. OK, so, question... How does it reduce rates of transmission? Is that not just a semantic play on words? I mean you've either caught it or not caught it... If you've not caught it... Its prevented you from catching it? Or is it that once you've caught it.... It prevents you from transmitting it to someone else.? Reducing transmission surely relies squarely on preventing some people from catching or transmitting it? I appreciate its a semantic point but I'm genuinely interested to know how it reduces infection rates without stopping some people from catching it... It's a population not an individual measure. I recall a household study, I think during Delta - vaccinated householders caught it from infected housemates/family members less than unvaccinated household members. (Maybe Scandinavia?) So yes, if you've caught it you've caught it. But if 100 vaccinated people could catch it, less will (if this is true/if it's still true now) than 100 unvaccinated people. I'd rather be in the group with the better odds." Yep I get that population infection rates are based on population. But its individuals who either catch or don't catch an infection. The fact one population has a lower rate of infection than another population is surely because less individuals have been infected? . You write... "So yes, if you've caught it you've caught it. But if 100 vaccinated people could catch it, less will (if this is true/if it's still true now) than 100 unvaccinated people."... So how are the numbers less in the unvaccinated (if that is still true).? And is it reasonable to infer that the vaccine reduces infection rates by preventing some from being infected? If not... How is one number lower than the other? I'm not doubting the general science... More to do with the semantics of logic and language people are using to insult other people. | |||
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"It's all well and good poking fun at people but the messages have been conflicting. Dr Susan Hopkins, lead if the UKHSA, urged the original booster campaign to slow the spread of the omicron variant. Now,it's a reasonable question to ask how do you slow the spread if not by preventing some from catching or passing it on to others? Yes, others, have been consistent in saying it doesn't prevent anyone catching it but in many cases helps reduce symptoms... In any case I'm not sure we need to be as abrasive as some like to be. It's not been well publicised, but my understanding is that vaccination (and particularly boosting) reduces rates of transmission. So a vaccinated person is less likely to catch it and less likely to spread it. The public messaging has been horrible, granted, but anyone who says "Covid vaccines don't prevent infection or transmission" as some kind of gotcha... Really isn't aware of how much we know. OK, so, question... How does it reduce rates of transmission? Is that not just a semantic play on words? I mean you've either caught it or not caught it... If you've not caught it... Its prevented you from catching it? Or is it that once you've caught it.... It prevents you from transmitting it to someone else.? Reducing transmission surely relies squarely on preventing some people from catching or transmitting it? I appreciate its a semantic point but I'm genuinely interested to know how it reduces infection rates without stopping some people from catching it... It's a population not an individual measure. I recall a household study, I think during Delta - vaccinated householders caught it from infected housemates/family members less than unvaccinated household members. (Maybe Scandinavia?) So yes, if you've caught it you've caught it. But if 100 vaccinated people could catch it, less will (if this is true/if it's still true now) than 100 unvaccinated people. I'd rather be in the group with the better odds. Yep I get that population infection rates are based on population. But its individuals who either catch or don't catch an infection. The fact one population has a lower rate of infection than another population is surely because less individuals have been infected? . You write... "So yes, if you've caught it you've caught it. But if 100 vaccinated people could catch it, less will (if this is true/if it's still true now) than 100 unvaccinated people."... So how are the numbers less in the unvaccinated (if that is still true).? And is it reasonable to infer that the vaccine reduces infection rates by preventing some from being infected? If not... How is one number lower than the other? I'm not doubting the general science... More to do with the semantics of logic and language people are using to insult other people. " The numbers are *more* in the unvaccinated. So (I'm inventing numbers for the sake of it, I don't remember) if 2/10 vaccinated people catch it from a household member, 4/10 unvaccinated people will. (Again, I'm just demonstrating what I mean by "less in the vaccinated", these are invented numbers) The hypothesis I heard was that the vaccine allows someone to mount an immune response faster and clear an infection faster, perhaps too fast to count as an infection. (Which if you consider what a vaccine is, makes sense. "Here's a piece of disease - if you see that come in, destroy it.") I don't think, in this line of reasoning, I'm being at all insulting. "Doesn't stop all infection" doesn't preclude "may reduce risk of infection". And just because prevention doesn't happen, doesn't mean that reduction isn't valuable. | |||
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"It's all well and good poking fun at people but the messages have been conflicting. Dr Susan Hopkins, lead if the UKHSA, urged the original booster campaign to slow the spread of the omicron variant. Now,it's a reasonable question to ask how do you slow the spread if not by preventing some from catching or passing it on to others? Yes, others, have been consistent in saying it doesn't prevent anyone catching it but in many cases helps reduce symptoms... In any case I'm not sure we need to be as abrasive as some like to be. It's not been well publicised, but my understanding is that vaccination (and particularly boosting) reduces rates of transmission. So a vaccinated person is less likely to catch it and less likely to spread it. The public messaging has been horrible, granted, but anyone who says "Covid vaccines don't prevent infection or transmission" as some kind of gotcha... Really isn't aware of how much we know. OK, so, question... How does it reduce rates of transmission? Is that not just a semantic play on words? I mean you've either caught it or not caught it... If you've not caught it... Its prevented you from catching it? Or is it that once you've caught it.... It prevents you from transmitting it to someone else.? Reducing transmission surely relies squarely on preventing some people from catching or transmitting it? I appreciate its a semantic point but I'm genuinely interested to know how it reduces infection rates without stopping some people from catching it... " It works like this: 1. If you are vaccinated and someone breathes virus all over you, it _does_not_ stop the virus particles entering your body (it isn't a magic force field). 2. If you are vaccinated and virus particles enter your body, your immune system is _faster_ at recognising the virus, and quicker to produce antibodies against the virus. 3. If antibodies are produced quickly enough, and the amount of virus you were exposed to is small, then in _some_ cases the antibodies will be able to get rid of the virus before it even starts replicating. 4. If the antibodies are produced a little less quickly, or you are exposed to more virus, then the antibodies may not be able to get all the virus before it starts replicating. But in _some_ cases the antibodies will be able to clear out the virus before it has made a full scale attack on your body. 5. If the antibodies are slower still, or you are exposed to even more virus, then the antibodies may not be able to stop the virus making a full scale attack on your body. But in _some_ cases they will still have enough head start to clear out the virus sooner than if you had no antibodies to start with. 6. If the antibodies are very slow, or you have a really crap immune system, or you are absolutely covered in the virus, then in _some_ cases the vaccination won't have given you any help at all. So the bottom line is that on average across the population: (a) Some people exposed to the virus will not replicate it, and hence cannot infect others. (b) Some people exposed to the virus will replicate lesser amounts of it, and hence will not infect as many people as they would have otherwise. (c) Some people exposed to the virus will replicate just as much of it, but for less time, and hence will not infect as many people as they would have otherwise. So (some people not replicating virus) + (some people replicating less virus) + (some people replicating virus for less time) = on average a reduction in transmission rate. Finally, if masking and social distancing is used in conjunction with vaccination, then the amount of virus that you are exposed to is reduced. Even if it is not reduced to zero, it still means that some people that would be in group 4, now drop into group 3. Some people that would be in group 5, now drop into group 4. Some people that would be in group 6, now drop into group 5. Hence (more people not replicating virus) + (more people replicating less virus) + (more people replicating virus for less time) = on average a bigger reduction in transmission rate. Any further questions? | |||
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"How stupid are some people? Incredibly sadly "Being stupid is okay. That's how the cards are dealt. Wanting everyone else to make the same stupid decisions as you to the extent that you actively try to persuade them is next level... | |||
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"It's all well and good poking fun at people but the messages have been conflicting. Dr Susan Hopkins, lead if the UKHSA, urged the original booster campaign to slow the spread of the omicron variant. Now,it's a reasonable question to ask how do you slow the spread if not by preventing some from catching or passing it on to others? Yes, others, have been consistent in saying it doesn't prevent anyone catching it but in many cases helps reduce symptoms... In any case I'm not sure we need to be as abrasive as some like to be. It's not been well publicised, but my understanding is that vaccination (and particularly boosting) reduces rates of transmission. So a vaccinated person is less likely to catch it and less likely to spread it. The public messaging has been horrible, granted, but anyone who says "Covid vaccines don't prevent infection or transmission" as some kind of gotcha... Really isn't aware of how much we know. OK, so, question... How does it reduce rates of transmission? Is that not just a semantic play on words? I mean you've either caught it or not caught it... If you've not caught it... Its prevented you from catching it? Or is it that once you've caught it.... It prevents you from transmitting it to someone else.? Reducing transmission surely relies squarely on preventing some people from catching or transmitting it? I appreciate its a semantic point but I'm genuinely interested to know how it reduces infection rates without stopping some people from catching it... It works like this: 1. If you are vaccinated and someone breathes virus all over you, it _does_not_ stop the virus particles entering your body (it isn't a magic force field). 2. If you are vaccinated and virus particles enter your body, your immune system is _faster_ at recognising the virus, and quicker to produce antibodies against the virus. 3. If antibodies are produced quickly enough, and the amount of virus you were exposed to is small, then in _some_ cases the antibodies will be able to get rid of the virus before it even starts replicating. 4. If the antibodies are produced a little less quickly, or you are exposed to more virus, then the antibodies may not be able to get all the virus before it starts replicating. But in _some_ cases the antibodies will be able to clear out the virus before it has made a full scale attack on your body. 5. If the antibodies are slower still, or you are exposed to even more virus, then the antibodies may not be able to stop the virus making a full scale attack on your body. But in _some_ cases they will still have enough head start to clear out the virus sooner than if you had no antibodies to start with. 6. If the antibodies are very slow, or you have a really crap immune system, or you are absolutely covered in the virus, then in _some_ cases the vaccination won't have given you any help at all. So the bottom line is that on average across the population: (a) Some people exposed to the virus will not replicate it, and hence cannot infect others. (b) Some people exposed to the virus will replicate lesser amounts of it, and hence will not infect as many people as they would have otherwise. (c) Some people exposed to the virus will replicate just as much of it, but for less time, and hence will not infect as many people as they would have otherwise. So (some people not replicating virus) + (some people replicating less virus) + (some people replicating virus for less time) = on average a reduction in transmission rate. Finally, if masking and social distancing is used in conjunction with vaccination, then the amount of virus that you are exposed to is reduced. Even if it is not reduced to zero, it still means that some people that would be in group 4, now drop into group 3. Some people that would be in group 5, now drop into group 4. Some people that would be in group 6, now drop into group 5. Hence (more people not replicating virus) + (more people replicating less virus) + (more people replicating virus for less time) = on average a bigger reduction in transmission rate. Any further questions?" You should have been on the telly | |||
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"It's all well and good poking fun at people but the messages have been conflicting. Dr Susan Hopkins, lead if the UKHSA, urged the original booster campaign to slow the spread of the omicron variant. Now,it's a reasonable question to ask how do you slow the spread if not by preventing some from catching or passing it on to others? Yes, others, have been consistent in saying it doesn't prevent anyone catching it but in many cases helps reduce symptoms... In any case I'm not sure we need to be as abrasive as some like to be. It's not been well publicised, but my understanding is that vaccination (and particularly boosting) reduces rates of transmission. So a vaccinated person is less likely to catch it and less likely to spread it. The public messaging has been horrible, granted, but anyone who says "Covid vaccines don't prevent infection or transmission" as some kind of gotcha... Really isn't aware of how much we know. OK, so, question... How does it reduce rates of transmission? Is that not just a semantic play on words? I mean you've either caught it or not caught it... If you've not caught it... Its prevented you from catching it? Or is it that once you've caught it.... It prevents you from transmitting it to someone else.? Reducing transmission surely relies squarely on preventing some people from catching or transmitting it? I appreciate its a semantic point but I'm genuinely interested to know how it reduces infection rates without stopping some people from catching it... It works like this: 1. If you are vaccinated and someone breathes virus all over you, it _does_not_ stop the virus particles entering your body (it isn't a magic force field). 2. If you are vaccinated and virus particles enter your body, your immune system is _faster_ at recognising the virus, and quicker to produce antibodies against the virus. 3. If antibodies are produced quickly enough, and the amount of virus you were exposed to is small, then in _some_ cases the antibodies will be able to get rid of the virus before it even starts replicating. 4. If the antibodies are produced a little less quickly, or you are exposed to more virus, then the antibodies may not be able to get all the virus before it starts replicating. But in _some_ cases the antibodies will be able to clear out the virus before it has made a full scale attack on your body. 5. If the antibodies are slower still, or you are exposed to even more virus, then the antibodies may not be able to stop the virus making a full scale attack on your body. But in _some_ cases they will still have enough head start to clear out the virus sooner than if you had no antibodies to start with. 6. If the antibodies are very slow, or you have a really crap immune system, or you are absolutely covered in the virus, then in _some_ cases the vaccination won't have given you any help at all. So the bottom line is that on average across the population: (a) Some people exposed to the virus will not replicate it, and hence cannot infect others. (b) Some people exposed to the virus will replicate lesser amounts of it, and hence will not infect as many people as they would have otherwise. (c) Some people exposed to the virus will replicate just as much of it, but for less time, and hence will not infect as many people as they would have otherwise. So (some people not replicating virus) + (some people replicating less virus) + (some people replicating virus for less time) = on average a reduction in transmission rate. Finally, if masking and social distancing is used in conjunction with vaccination, then the amount of virus that you are exposed to is reduced. Even if it is not reduced to zero, it still means that some people that would be in group 4, now drop into group 3. Some people that would be in group 5, now drop into group 4. Some people that would be in group 6, now drop into group 5. Hence (more people not replicating virus) + (more people replicating less virus) + (more people replicating virus for less time) = on average a bigger reduction in transmission rate. Any further questions? You should have been on the telly "
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""Hence (more people not replicating virus) + (more people replicating less virus) + (more people replicating virus for less time) = on average a bigger reduction in transmission rate. Any further questions?" Sure.. So if the above is true... Stated more simply... The vaccine (or naturally acquired immunity presumably?) prevents infection and transmission for some people? " Yes. But it's a relative thing not an absolute. Even if somebody is completely vaxxed up, has a fantastic immune system, and is the most healthy person in the world, they might still catch covid if they are soused in a big enough cloud of virus particles. Being vaccinated will most always give them a better chance, but it cannot perform magic. Think of it like falling from a height... Falling a metre normally won't kill you, but could do if you've got really fragile bones or you just happen to land really unluckily. Falling ten metres will probably fuck you up badly, but if you've got a soft landing cushion you have a better chance. Falling a hundred metres and you're cream crackered unless you've got a really magic landing cushion. But then there are always outlier one in a million miracle cases of falling from fifty thousand feet with a failed parachute, crashing through pine tree branches, landing in soft snow, and walking away to tell the story... (ie. the very occasional person with magic immunity who never seems to catch covid no matter how much exposed). | |||
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"Well said Nancy..the jab is still on trial till 2023..FACT...and yellow card reporting scheme has been totally ignored by the media...if only the sheep would wake up.." *Shrug* as requested repeatedly through this pandemic, I've thought for myself, done my own research, and not relied on the mainstream media. And yet this condescending nonsense continues. I'm pretty convinced that "the sheep need to wake up" just means "I identify myself as part of this particular club, and I think I'm more special than you". Because it certainly doesn't indicate independent thought, as the non sheep bleat the same lines over and over, or any clarity of thinking, as most mangle even the most straightforward of points. But if you want to believe you're a special special snowflake and deserve a gold star for being clever, you do you. | |||
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"Well said Nancy..the jab is still on trial till 2023..FACT...and yellow card reporting scheme has been totally ignored by the media...if only the sheep would wake up.." Not a FACT at all. Not even a fact. Not even close to a fact. Its a million miles and then some away from being a fact. Now, I'm sure you believe what you typed and you feel you're 100% right. Which is perfectly fine. Now, if you'd like to provide the source of your certainty, I'll give it a read. Winston | |||
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"Well said Nancy..the jab is still on trial till 2023..FACT...and yellow card reporting scheme has been totally ignored by the media...if only the sheep would wake up.." Irony. Winston | |||
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"Well said Nancy..the jab is still on trial till 2023..FACT...and yellow card reporting scheme has been totally ignored by the media...if only the sheep would wake up.. *Shrug* as requested repeatedly through this pandemic, I've thought for myself, done my own research, and not relied on the mainstream media. And yet this condescending nonsense continues. I'm pretty convinced that "the sheep need to wake up" just means "I identify myself as part of this particular club, and I think I'm more special than you". Because it certainly doesn't indicate independent thought, as the non sheep bleat the same lines over and over, or any clarity of thinking, as most mangle even the most straightforward of points. But if you want to believe you're a special special snowflake and deserve a gold star for being clever, you do you."
To be fair everyone is entitled to their own opinion, that's it, just an opinion.
Most peoples research is a trawl around the Internet to find something that fits their opinion.
That's bias reinforcement, thank god real research isn't conducted in this manner.
Anyway, each to their own, getting all a bit same old and boring now.
I have to say hospital admissions are down and although infections still high, I'm not seeing the level of hospital referrals.
The real good news, I'm off on hols early June.
Worked right through and like all others, need a break, a bit of normality and a chat to new real people.
Stay well everyone and try to be kind, try to get out a bit more or the old cabin fever will get you.
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"Without the vaccines, there would have been massively more deaths, severe illness and hospital overload. Why would anyone want such an outcome? "Just because the BBC said it, doesn’t make it true hahaha. It’s not like the MSM to tell porkies to line a few pockets | |||
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"Without the vaccines, there would have been massively more deaths, severe illness and hospital overload. Why would anyone want such an outcome?
Just because the BBC said it, doesn’t make it true hahaha. It’s not like the MSM to tell porkies to line a few pockets"Are you suggesting the vaccines were created for no reason other than profit, as opposed to being created to resolve a global pandemic? Winston | |||
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"Without the vaccines, there would have been massively more deaths, severe illness and hospital overload. Why would anyone want such an outcome?
Just because the BBC said it, doesn’t make it true hahaha. It’s not like the MSM to tell porkies to line a few pockets"The BBC reported what scientists, medics and statisticians have stated. Whose information would you rather use? | |||
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"It's strange. You people, the scared covid people cant even notice the narrative changing. Just in the last few days on sly news I've seen a report of a 36 year old woman from berkshire who died from vaccine side effects confirmed by pathologist. Seen a report that the us have pulled the j and j vaccine because of clot fears. Seen a report that Sweden is now being heralded as choosing the correct path. Seen a report about a study from Denmark, christine stabbel Benn was the lady showing that mRNA vaccines are causing side effects outside of covid...less so with the astrazenica so thank your lucky stars you're English. Yet people like Winston with his condescending tone still can't see, it perplexes me, like what is going on in your brains, is it Facebook or reality TV ye're addicted to, or both, maybe get off the porn sites or stop letting your wives peg you. There's defo something stopping your neurons firing...and I don't think it can be blamed on the vaccines " It's science and research I'm addicted to. Not loony tune conspiracy theorists, covid deniers and anti vaxxers. I simply share my view, as you just did. I just made mine without resorting to insults. Winston | |||
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"It's strange. You people, the scared covid people cant even notice the narrative changing. Just in the last few days on sly news I've seen a report of a 36 year old woman from berkshire who died from vaccine side effects confirmed by pathologist. Seen a report that the us have pulled the j and j vaccine because of clot fears. Seen a report that Sweden is now being heralded as choosing the correct path. Seen a report about a study from Denmark, christine stabbel Benn was the lady showing that mRNA vaccines are causing side effects outside of covid...less so with the astrazenica so thank your lucky stars you're English. Yet people like Winston with his condescending tone still can't see, it perplexes me, like what is going on in your brains, is it Facebook or reality TV ye're addicted to, or both, maybe get off the porn sites or stop letting your wives peg you. There's defo something stopping your neurons firing...and I don't think it can be blamed on the vaccines It's science and research I'm addicted to. Not loony tune conspiracy theorists, covid deniers and anti vaxxers. I simply share my view, as you just did. I just made mine without resorting to insults. Winston" Oh you share your view buddy. Empty vessels carry the most noise and all of that. You're a passive aggressive condescending bully from what I can see who thinks that he's smarter than everyone else that dares to have an opinion. I am however fully in support of all you who want to take vaccines to take them. I think ye should take more, speed up the process and maybe become super protected, maybe | |||
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"It's strange. You people, the scared covid people cant even notice the narrative changing. Just in the last few days on sly news I've seen a report of a 36 year old woman from berkshire who died from vaccine side effects confirmed by pathologist. Seen a report that the us have pulled the j and j vaccine because of clot fears. Seen a report that Sweden is now being heralded as choosing the correct path. Seen a report about a study from Denmark, christine stabbel Benn was the lady showing that mRNA vaccines are causing side effects outside of covid...less so with the astrazenica so thank your lucky stars you're English. Yet people like Winston with his condescending tone still can't see, it perplexes me, like what is going on in your brains, is it Facebook or reality TV ye're addicted to, or both, maybe get off the porn sites or stop letting your wives peg you. There's defo something stopping your neurons firing...and I don't think it can be blamed on the vaccines It's science and research I'm addicted to. Not loony tune conspiracy theorists, covid deniers and anti vaxxers. I simply share my view, as you just did. I just made mine without resorting to insults. Winston" And as for insults, you have no clue of the insults/threats that people on your side of the fence have wished upon mine for over 2 years now.... If you think I give 2 hoots about anyone of the vaxxed feelings then those neurons really are not firing at all | |||
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"It's strange. You people, the scared covid people cant even notice the narrative changing. Just in the last few days on sly news I've seen a report of a 36 year old woman from berkshire who died from vaccine side effects confirmed by pathologist. Seen a report that the us have pulled the j and j vaccine because of clot fears. Seen a report that Sweden is now being heralded as choosing the correct path. Seen a report about a study from Denmark, christine stabbel Benn was the lady showing that mRNA vaccines are causing side effects outside of covid...less so with the astrazenica so thank your lucky stars you're English. Yet people like Winston with his condescending tone still can't see, it perplexes me, like what is going on in your brains, is it Facebook or reality TV ye're addicted to, or both, maybe get off the porn sites or stop letting your wives peg you. There's defo something stopping your neurons firing...and I don't think it can be blamed on the vaccines " Interesting. It’s called ‘sly news’ but apparently the Berkshire woman item was the only real bit of journalism on that channel. | |||
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"It's strange. You people, the scared covid people cant even notice the narrative changing. Just in the last few days on sly news I've seen a report of a 36 year old woman from berkshire who died from vaccine side effects confirmed by pathologist. Seen a report that the us have pulled the j and j vaccine because of clot fears. Seen a report that Sweden is now being heralded as choosing the correct path. Seen a report about a study from Denmark, christine stabbel Benn was the lady showing that mRNA vaccines are causing side effects outside of covid...less so with the astrazenica so thank your lucky stars you're English. Yet people like Winston with his condescending tone still can't see, it perplexes me, like what is going on in your brains, is it Facebook or reality TV ye're addicted to, or both, maybe get off the porn sites or stop letting your wives peg you. There's defo something stopping your neurons firing...and I don't think it can be blamed on the vaccines Interesting. It’s called ‘sly news’ but apparently the Berkshire woman item was the only real bit of journalism on that channel." I don't follow your logic, why in your opinion is it the only bit of real journalism | |||
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"It's strange. You people, the scared covid people cant even notice the narrative changing. Just in the last few days on sly news I've seen a report of a 36 year old woman from berkshire who died from vaccine side effects confirmed by pathologist. Seen a report that the us have pulled the j and j vaccine because of clot fears. Seen a report that Sweden is now being heralded as choosing the correct path. Seen a report about a study from Denmark, christine stabbel Benn was the lady showing that mRNA vaccines are causing side effects outside of covid...less so with the astrazenica so thank your lucky stars you're English. Yet people like Winston with his condescending tone still can't see, it perplexes me, like what is going on in your brains, is it Facebook or reality TV ye're addicted to, or both, maybe get off the porn sites or stop letting your wives peg you. There's defo something stopping your neurons firing...and I don't think it can be blamed on the vaccines Interesting. It’s called ‘sly news’ but apparently the Berkshire woman item was the only real bit of journalism on that channel. I don't follow your logic, why in your opinion is it the only bit of real journalism " Well I assume your calling it sly news means you don’t trust it. Or have I got that wrong? | |||
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"I think that all the destructive events since 2010 to now has proved just how stupid people on this country are." Destructive events have proved how stupid people are? Hmmmm do you care to expand on your theory? | |||
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"It's strange. You people, the scared covid people cant even notice the narrative changing. Just in the last few days on sly news I've seen a report of a 36 year old woman from berkshire who died from vaccine side effects confirmed by pathologist. Seen a report that the us have pulled the j and j vaccine because of clot fears. Seen a report that Sweden is now being heralded as choosing the correct path. Seen a report about a study from Denmark, christine stabbel Benn was the lady showing that mRNA vaccines are causing side effects outside of covid...less so with the astrazenica so thank your lucky stars you're English. Yet people like Winston with his condescending tone still can't see, it perplexes me, like what is going on in your brains, is it Facebook or reality TV ye're addicted to, or both, maybe get off the porn sites or stop letting your wives peg you. There's defo something stopping your neurons firing...and I don't think it can be blamed on the vaccines It's science and research I'm addicted to. Not loony tune conspiracy theorists, covid deniers and anti vaxxers. I simply share my view, as you just did. I just made mine without resorting to insults. Winston Oh you share your view buddy. Empty vessels carry the most noise and all of that. You're a passive aggressive condescending bully from what I can see who thinks that he's smarter than everyone else that dares to have an opinion. I am however fully in support of all you who want to take vaccines to take them. I think ye should take more, speed up the process and maybe become super protected, maybe " I'm significantly smarter than conspiracy theorists, covid deniers and anti vaxxers. I'm significantly less smart than the scientists and researchers who've spent most of their lives working in this field. Some opinions have more validity than others. Winston | |||
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"It's strange. You people, the scared covid people cant even notice the narrative changing. Just in the last few days on sly news I've seen a report of a 36 year old woman from berkshire who died from vaccine side effects confirmed by pathologist. Seen a report that the us have pulled the j and j vaccine because of clot fears. Seen a report that Sweden is now being heralded as choosing the correct path. Seen a report about a study from Denmark, christine stabbel Benn was the lady showing that mRNA vaccines are causing side effects outside of covid...less so with the astrazenica so thank your lucky stars you're English. Yet people like Winston with his condescending tone still can't see, it perplexes me, like what is going on in your brains, is it Facebook or reality TV ye're addicted to, or both, maybe get off the porn sites or stop letting your wives peg you. There's defo something stopping your neurons firing...and I don't think it can be blamed on the vaccines Interesting. It’s called ‘sly news’ but apparently the Berkshire woman item was the only real bit of journalism on that channel. I don't follow your logic, why in your opinion is it the only bit of real journalism Well I assume your calling it sly news means you don’t trust it. Or have I got that wrong?" So I asked you a question which you failed to answer but focus on whether I trust sly news or not? No wonder I didn't follow your logic. This is very much less about me and more about ye my friend | |||
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"It's strange. You people, the scared covid people cant even notice the narrative changing. Just in the last few days on sly news I've seen a report of a 36 year old woman from berkshire who died from vaccine side effects confirmed by pathologist. Seen a report that the us have pulled the j and j vaccine because of clot fears. Seen a report that Sweden is now being heralded as choosing the correct path. Seen a report about a study from Denmark, christine stabbel Benn was the lady showing that mRNA vaccines are causing side effects outside of covid...less so with the astrazenica so thank your lucky stars you're English. Yet people like Winston with his condescending tone still can't see, it perplexes me, like what is going on in your brains, is it Facebook or reality TV ye're addicted to, or both, maybe get off the porn sites or stop letting your wives peg you. There's defo something stopping your neurons firing...and I don't think it can be blamed on the vaccines Interesting. It’s called ‘sly news’ but apparently the Berkshire woman item was the only real bit of journalism on that channel. I don't follow your logic, why in your opinion is it the only bit of real journalism Well I assume your calling it sly news means you don’t trust it. Or have I got that wrong? So I asked you a question which you failed to answer but focus on whether I trust sly news or not? No wonder I didn't follow your logic. This is very much less about me and more about ye my friend Ha ha. And you didn’t answer my question. Please tell us which articles on sly news we should trust and which ones we are being manipulated by the government. It’s so hard for us plebs to understand. Surely you enlightened one’s can help us through this quagmire!" Hey man honestly you should believe them all...if I was you I'd get another TV just so I could watch BBC and sky at the same time. If I was you I'd be booking in for my fifth dose as soon as possible. If I were you I'd stay away from all the pubs, shops, restaurants because nowhere is safe with all of us dirty antivaxxers putting you at risk. If I were you I would not put any of my family at risk ever again and would stay away from them in order to do that. Honestly please keep taking them this climate change thing is starting to worry me | |||
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"Yh I’ve only know one person that died of it everyone else who has had it says it’s nothing I don’t read social media conspiracy theories lol" And yet you're promoting utter bullshit nonetheless. Covid has killed many people. And we will never even know how many more haave been messed up with long Covid in some way. Vaccines are crucial to combat Covid. | |||
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"It's strange. You people, the scared covid people cant even notice the narrative changing. Just in the last few days on sly news I've seen a report of a 36 year old woman from berkshire who died from vaccine side effects confirmed by pathologist. Seen a report that the us have pulled the j and j vaccine because of clot fears. Seen a report that Sweden is now being heralded as choosing the correct path. Seen a report about a study from Denmark, christine stabbel Benn was the lady showing that mRNA vaccines are causing side effects outside of covid...less so with the astrazenica so thank your lucky stars you're English. Yet people like Winston with his condescending tone still can't see, it perplexes me, like what is going on in your brains, is it Facebook or reality TV ye're addicted to, or both, maybe get off the porn sites or stop letting your wives peg you. There's defo something stopping your neurons firing...and I don't think it can be blamed on the vaccines Interesting. It’s called ‘sly news’ but apparently the Berkshire woman item was the only real bit of journalism on that channel. I don't follow your logic, why in your opinion is it the only bit of real journalism Well I assume your calling it sly news means you don’t trust it. Or have I got that wrong? So I asked you a question which you failed to answer but focus on whether I trust sly news or not? No wonder I didn't follow your logic. This is very much less about me and more about ye my friend Ha ha. And you didn’t answer my question. Please tell us which articles on sly news we should trust and which ones we are being manipulated by the government. It’s so hard for us plebs to understand. Surely you enlightened one’s can help us through this quagmire! Hey man honestly you should believe them all...if I was you I'd get another TV just so I could watch BBC and sky at the same time. If I was you I'd be booking in for my fifth dose as soon as possible. If I were you I'd stay away from all the pubs, shops, restaurants because nowhere is safe with all of us dirty antivaxxers putting you at risk. If I were you I would not put any of my family at risk ever again and would stay away from them in order to do that. Honestly please keep taking them this climate change thing is starting to worry me " Oh dear it’s mr assumption. Mr assumption assumes I’m in the vulnerable category and have had the 4th dose. He assumes wrong. He assumes that I’m worried about the antivaxxers putting me at risk. He assumes wrong - if anything I’m more worried that I could pass covid onto them. Poor mr assumption. | |||
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"Those numbers have been greatly exaggerated my work friends mother worked in a nursing home whenever anyone died they put covid as cause of death even if it wasn’t covid maybe you should get out in the real world instead of watching biased sky and bbc news lol" Maybe you should listen to facts + medical experts. It's truly sad that so many people believe utter bullshit. | |||
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"*sigh*" You’ve got nothing to say and you have no facts lol | |||
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"*sigh*" I heard that sigh from here.
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"*sigh* You’ve got nothing to say and you have no facts lol" Too many people have too much to say and no facts. Which is a shame. It does muddy the water somewhat. Unfortunately a lot of people are unable to tell fact from fiction and are therefore susceptible to the conspiracy theorists, covid deniers and anti vaxxers. It's almost criminal. Winston | |||
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"There is overwhelming evidence of how deadly Covid is. There is overwhelming evidence that the vaccines saved many, many lives. But you would rather ignore all that + spew bullshit. Facts do not matter to you. Clearly. So it's fruitless to argue with you. Have a great day." Some facts for you the vaccine has been linked to heart attacks and the survivability rate for the virus is ridiculously high | |||
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"Vaccines have been linked to heart attacks fact and this little piece of information has been repressed " If "this little piece of information" has been repressed, how did you find it? Winston | |||
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"It's strange. You people, the scared covid people cant even notice the narrative changing. Just in the last few days on sly news I've seen a report of a 36 year old woman from berkshire who died from vaccine side effects confirmed by pathologist. Seen a report that the us have pulled the j and j vaccine because of clot fears. Seen a report that Sweden is now being heralded as choosing the correct path. Seen a report about a study from Denmark, christine stabbel Benn was the lady showing that mRNA vaccines are causing side effects outside of covid...less so with the astrazenica so thank your lucky stars you're English. Yet people like Winston with his condescending tone still can't see, it perplexes me, like what is going on in your brains, is it Facebook or reality TV ye're addicted to, or both, maybe get off the porn sites or stop letting your wives peg you. There's defo something stopping your neurons firing...and I don't think it can be blamed on the vaccines " All I see you saying is that you believe you're right, and a whole bunch of insults about people who disagree with you. Ok. Cool. Good for you. When I care about the narrative I'll let you know. I care about evidence. Got any? (Sources, please) | |||
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"There is overwhelming evidence of how deadly Covid is. There is overwhelming evidence that the vaccines saved many, many lives. But you would rather ignore all that + spew bullshit. Facts do not matter to you. Clearly. So it's fruitless to argue with you. Have a great day. Some facts for you the vaccine has been linked to heart attacks and the survivability rate for the virus is ridiculously high " What is the latest COVID/vaccine conspiracy theory? | |||
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"There is overwhelming evidence of how deadly Covid is. There is overwhelming evidence that the vaccines saved many, many lives. But you would rather ignore all that + spew bullshit. Facts do not matter to you. Clearly. So it's fruitless to argue with you. Have a great day. Some facts for you the vaccine has been linked to heart attacks and the survivability rate for the virus is ridiculously high What is the latest COVID/vaccine conspiracy theory? " I'm not even seeing any recent ones in this thread. It's all the usual rehashed bullshit | |||
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"It's strange. You people, the scared covid people cant even notice the narrative changing. Just in the last few days on sly news I've seen a report of a 36 year old woman from berkshire who died from vaccine side effects confirmed by pathologist. Seen a report that the us have pulled the j and j vaccine because of clot fears. Seen a report that Sweden is now being heralded as choosing the correct path. Seen a report about a study from Denmark, christine stabbel Benn was the lady showing that mRNA vaccines are causing side effects outside of covid...less so with the astrazenica so thank your lucky stars you're English. Yet people like Winston with his condescending tone still can't see, it perplexes me, like what is going on in your brains, is it Facebook or reality TV ye're addicted to, or both, maybe get off the porn sites or stop letting your wives peg you. There's defo something stopping your neurons firing...and I don't think it can be blamed on the vaccines All I see you saying is that you believe you're right, and a whole bunch of insults about people who disagree with you. Ok. Cool. Good for you. When I care about the narrative I'll let you know. I care about evidence. Got any? (Sources, please)" He literally just gave you a bunch you could google those stories lol | |||
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"Medical experts have said the vaccine has been linked to heart attacks clearly you need to read up on some facts" There was a marginally elevated chance of a temporary heart murmur in young men for one version of the vaccine. Not heart attacks. As a consequence, other vaccines were used for that group. The risk of any affect on the heart as a consequence of the vaccine is lower than of you contract Covid, particularly if you are unvaccinated. There are research papers and good articles that provide more complete information. These are facts. Headlines are not facts and are often written to illicit a strong emotional response. Often the scary headlines actually contain some more balanced information if read all the way through. | |||
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"There is overwhelming evidence of how deadly Covid is. There is overwhelming evidence that the vaccines saved many, many lives. But you would rather ignore all that + spew bullshit. Facts do not matter to you. Clearly. So it's fruitless to argue with you. Have a great day. Some facts for you the vaccine has been linked to heart attacks and the survivability rate for the virus is ridiculously high What is the latest COVID/vaccine conspiracy theory? I'm not even seeing any recent ones in this thread. It's all the usual rehashed bullshit " Ah right, I thought ‘they’ might have come up with a new one now the old ones have been proven to be bollocks | |||
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"Info eventually got out through the news other media outlets " Where did you find it, I'd like to take a look, thanks. I do like a good cover up expose' Winston | |||
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"Wake up sheeple! (Felt like the sort of comment for this thread)" Anyone who doesn’t agree with you is a conspiracy theorist lame bro real lame | |||
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"Info eventually got out through the news other media outlets Where did you find it, I'd like to take a look, thanks. I do like a good cover up expose' Winston " Well feel free to look it up then lol | |||
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"There is overwhelming evidence of how deadly Covid is. There is overwhelming evidence that the vaccines saved many, many lives. But you would rather ignore all that + spew bullshit. Facts do not matter to you. Clearly. So it's fruitless to argue with you. Have a great day. Some facts for you the vaccine has been linked to heart attacks and the survivability rate for the virus is ridiculously high What is the latest COVID/vaccine conspiracy theory? I'm not even seeing any recent ones in this thread. It's all the usual rehashed bullshit Ah right, I thought ‘they’ might have come up with a new one now the old ones have been proven to be bollocks" There's a new paper by a formerly reputable academic I've not seen addressed here. Its standard of evidence is "this might be possible on the basis of different things, and is true because I said so elsewhere (without evidence)". Which would have been tossed out during my undergraduate humanities degree as being a pile of horseshit, but I suppose academic standards are for sheeple. | |||
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"Wake up sheeple! (Felt like the sort of comment for this thread) Anyone who doesn’t agree with you is a conspiracy theorist lame bro real lame" Just people who ignore facts, overwhelming evidence, reality.That sort of thing... | |||
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"There is overwhelming evidence of how deadly Covid is. There is overwhelming evidence that the vaccines saved many, many lives. But you would rather ignore all that + spew bullshit. Facts do not matter to you. Clearly. So it's fruitless to argue with you. Have a great day. Some facts for you the vaccine has been linked to heart attacks and the survivability rate for the virus is ridiculously high What is the latest COVID/vaccine conspiracy theory? I'm not even seeing any recent ones in this thread. It's all the usual rehashed bullshit Ah right, I thought ‘they’ might have come up with a new one now the old ones have been proven to be bollocks There's a new paper by a formerly reputable academic I've not seen addressed here. Its standard of evidence is "this might be possible on the basis of different things, and is true because I said so elsewhere (without evidence)". Which would have been tossed out during my undergraduate humanities degree as being a pile of horseshit, but I suppose academic standards are for sheeple." “Sheeple” and anyone who doesn’t agree with the biased media and corrupt government is a conspiracy theorist got it -yawn- | |||
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"It's strange. You people, the scared covid people cant even notice the narrative changing. Just in the last few days on sly news I've seen a report of a 36 year old woman from berkshire who died from vaccine side effects confirmed by pathologist. Seen a report that the us have pulled the j and j vaccine because of clot fears. Seen a report that Sweden is now being heralded as choosing the correct path. Seen a report about a study from Denmark, christine stabbel Benn was the lady showing that mRNA vaccines are causing side effects outside of covid...less so with the astrazenica so thank your lucky stars you're English. Yet people like Winston with his condescending tone still can't see, it perplexes me, like what is going on in your brains, is it Facebook or reality TV ye're addicted to, or both, maybe get off the porn sites or stop letting your wives peg you. There's defo something stopping your neurons firing...and I don't think it can be blamed on the vaccines All I see you saying is that you believe you're right, and a whole bunch of insults about people who disagree with you. Ok. Cool. Good for you. When I care about the narrative I'll let you know. I care about evidence. Got any? (Sources, please) He literally just gave you a bunch you could google those stories lol" I consider it good manners to cite sources where possible lol. "Sweden was right", for example, could be anything from a wanking incel with a blog to a meta-analysis, and you'll appreciate that Sweden has become something of a political hot potato. Sources, not vague assertions about a source existing. Lol | |||
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"There is overwhelming evidence of how deadly Covid is. There is overwhelming evidence that the vaccines saved many, many lives. But you would rather ignore all that + spew bullshit. Facts do not matter to you. Clearly. So it's fruitless to argue with you. Have a great day. Some facts for you the vaccine has been linked to heart attacks and the survivability rate for the virus is ridiculously high What is the latest COVID/vaccine conspiracy theory? I'm not even seeing any recent ones in this thread. It's all the usual rehashed bullshit Ah right, I thought ‘they’ might have come up with a new one now the old ones have been proven to be bollocks There's a new paper by a formerly reputable academic I've not seen addressed here. Its standard of evidence is "this might be possible on the basis of different things, and is true because I said so elsewhere (without evidence)". Which would have been tossed out during my undergraduate humanities degree as being a pile of horseshit, but I suppose academic standards are for sheeple. “Sheeple” and anyone who doesn’t agree with the biased media and corrupt government is a conspiracy theorist got it -yawn-" What I said was that the paper was incredibly poor, below undergraduate standard, but thank you for your contribution. | |||
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"Wake up sheeple! (Felt like the sort of comment for this thread) Anyone who doesn’t agree with you is a conspiracy theorist lame bro real lame Just people who ignore facts, overwhelming evidence, reality.That sort of thing... You talking about yourself then mate "Mhm of course I am. Why on Earth did I ever believe the stats + evidence of many reputable scientists + organisations? I should has taken the word of dave at the pub who once did a course on astrology. | |||
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