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I'm nowhere near as close to my mum now, but my sister is now my bestie. I don't know what to make of it all sometimes. | |||
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"Yes, no, maybe. It has, but who is to say it was living through covid that changed me. I may have changed the same regardless over the same years. Or changed but in very different ways without the covid situation. " I can point to the precise circumstances that covid imposed, I guess, that have changed my life. My sister was in my bubble so we became closer. My son was directly impacted by lockdown. Do you feel your attitudes and feelings were changed over the period you couldn't see friends and family? | |||
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""Has living through Covid changed you?" Not nearly as much as dying through Covid would have changed me. I'm still alive, a lot of people aren't. Even more people now have to live with health conditions directly traceable to covid which have utterly altered their lives. Even more people have been changed by the loss of family or friends through covid; or have members of their family that have become disabled through covid, with enormous and ongoing consequences upon their way of life. Am I different now than I was four years ago? Very. Have I got through it lightly compared with many others? Yes. Will life ever be the same? No. " the post was has covid changed YOU, yet you start banging on about its altered peoples lives, that wasn't the question | |||
"Nope It was a lot of sh@te so never followed any rules.. Never wore a mask.. Never done any things we were advised to do to keep ourselves and our family safe. There was no pandemic.. It was created to divide the population. Hopefully ppl now see the govt for what they really are.  "I'll tell my dead father that. Oh, wait, covid killed him  | |||
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"I've been musing on this lately. I ended a friendship today because it feels we are in such different places now. Perhaps it was always like this, but since 2020 I no longer want to open up to her. My eldest son shut down in 2020 when GCSEs were cancelled. He remains detached still.
I'm nowhere near as close to my mum now, but my sister is now my bestie. I don't know what to make of it all sometimes. "Absolutely and for the better. There’s been a definite shift since 2020, these really are end/beginning times. All I can say is, roll with it  | |||
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" I'll tell my dead father that. Oh, wait, covid killed him "I'm interested to know about this, I recognise its sensitive, but if you don't mind I could ask you a few questions? | |||
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"I had long covid and spent nearly a year in bed struggling to breathe, extreme fatigue and migraine headaches I have recovered but will never be what I was, still suffer fatigue and joint pain. " I'm sorry to hear that. I don't think we have enough of a grasp on how many are affected by long covid. | |||
"I've been musing on this lately. I ended a friendship today because it feels we are in such different places now. Perhaps it was always like this, but since 2020 I no longer want to open up to her. My eldest son shut down in 2020 when GCSEs were cancelled. He remains detached still.
I'm nowhere near as close to my mum now, but my sister is now my bestie. I don't know what to make of it all sometimes. "I was only having this conversation with a German work colleague today. Yes huge changes and not for the better sadly. But... We can't have a time machine so all we can do is go forwards. | |||
"Yeah I mean, I’m definitely way more closed off, far less out going and tend to keep my distance from busy places. Not on purpose I just find my mentality changed" This is me, too. I miss my old self. I'd only just found myself again after leaving a LTR and now I am isolated all over again. | |||
"Covid changed us for the better, we got made redundant from our job we had together and homeless in the same day, thanks to having to close the hotel we was living and working in, now we are in a forever home, we have a cat and jobs we both love. Even if we aren't working together anymore. So for us, unlike many others, covid was actually a good thing for us in a way as we are happier, settled and content." It's nice to read a happy post-Covid story | |||
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"I had long covid and spent nearly a year in bed struggling to breathe, extreme fatigue and migraine headaches I have recovered but will never be what I was, still suffer fatigue and joint pain. I'm sorry to hear that. I don't think we have enough of a grasp on how many are affected by long covid. " I'm one of the lucky ones, I have private health insurance and found a long covid specialist in Kingston. Basically I had underlying heath conditions that surfaced when I got covid. I had mild asthma but that became severe asthma. I had mind sleep apnea which turned severe. Also had a hiatus hernia that was pushing on my diaphragm so I wasn't using it to breathe. Had to have intestence physio to teach myself to use my diaphragm to do most of the breathing at not the lungs | |||
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"I've been musing on this lately. I ended a friendship today because it feels we are in such different places now. Perhaps it was always like this, but since 2020 I no longer want to open up to her. My eldest son shut down in 2020 when GCSEs were cancelled. He remains detached still.
I'm nowhere near as close to my mum now, but my sister is now my bestie. I don't know what to make of it all sometimes. "I actualky enjoyed covid restrictions that were in place. I liked the fact people gave you some room, as I get anxious in busy areas. Even a supermarket queue gets me twitching, so having a 2m gap was nice for me. Apart from that, it was hard not meeting up with family and friends as much. | |||
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"We lost family members and went through hell and back, so yes it definitely did!" I'm very sorry | |||
"We lost family members and went through hell and back, so yes it definitely did! I'm very sorry"Thank you x | |||
"This is a great thread. Yes it did change me. I'm an introvert so have always been comfortable with my own company. When we got locked down it didn't really bother me too much but did change the way I work - rather than going into customer homes I collected equipment from the doorstep to take away and repair. Prior to Covid I'd do the vast amount of work in the customer's home. So I became more insular. After the restrictions were lifted I had no desire to go back to the way things were so don't really go out for meals like I might have done in the past, and now although I do go to customers' homes to repair their equipment, a lot more of my work is brought to me so I've got a good balance." I know a few introverts who were delighted to be able to work from home and not be social! It's strange how people have been affected so differently. For some it was the push to rebalance life to suit them - perhaps the case for you? | |||
"This is a great thread. Yes it did change me. I'm an introvert so have always been comfortable with my own company. When we got locked down it didn't really bother me too much but did change the way I work - rather than going into customer homes I collected equipment from the doorstep to take away and repair. Prior to Covid I'd do the vast amount of work in the customer's home. So I became more insular. After the restrictions were lifted I had no desire to go back to the way things were so don't really go out for meals like I might have done in the past, and now although I do go to customers' homes to repair their equipment, a lot more of my work is brought to me so I've got a good balance. I know a few introverts who were delighted to be able to work from home and not be social! It's strange how people have been affected so differently. For some it was the push to rebalance life to suit them - perhaps the case for you? " Well I've never really liked crowds or noise - I can think more clearly with the peace and quiet and when I do go out it is usually to rural locations away from crowds. Even during the hot weather I felt no inclination to hit the beach because the world and his wife would have been there. So being locked down did really suit me - got a big garden and pet chickens so when I needed fresh air I'd go and sit outside with them. | |||
"This is a great thread. Yes it did change me. I'm an introvert so have always been comfortable with my own company. When we got locked down it didn't really bother me too much but did change the way I work - rather than going into customer homes I collected equipment from the doorstep to take away and repair. Prior to Covid I'd do the vast amount of work in the customer's home. So I became more insular. After the restrictions were lifted I had no desire to go back to the way things were so don't really go out for meals like I might have done in the past, and now although I do go to customers' homes to repair their equipment, a lot more of my work is brought to me so I've got a good balance. I know a few introverts who were delighted to be able to work from home and not be social! It's strange how people have been affected so differently. For some it was the push to rebalance life to suit them - perhaps the case for you? Well I've never really liked crowds or noise - I can think more clearly with the peace and quiet and when I do go out it is usually to rural locations away from crowds. Even during the hot weather I felt no inclination to hit the beach because the world and his wife would have been there. So being locked down did really suit me - got a big garden and pet chickens so when I needed fresh air I'd go and sit outside with them." I am an extrovert but I still very much enjoyed the peace in my city over lockdown. Not so much being stuck with my kids 24/7  | |||
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"Yes, I have even less trust in anyone in authority and I now question everything and doubt most of what I am told by MSM/government/opposition parties." Don't forget Big Pharma, no way will you be taking any of their poisons again | |||
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"Nope It was a lot of sh@te so never followed any rules.. Never wore a mask.. Never done any things we were advised to do to keep ourselves and our family safe. There was no pandemic.. It was created to divide the population. Hopefully ppl now see the govt for what they really are.
I'll tell my dead father that. Oh, wait, covid killed him "Was he vaccinated? | |||
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"Yes, I have even less trust in anyone in authority and I now question everything and doubt most of what I am told by MSM/government/opposition parties." Funnily enough, I think you're the first person to say this! I do think the truth gap widened a hell of a lot. | |||
"Nope It was a lot of sh@te so never followed any rules.. Never wore a mask.. Never done any things we were advised to do to keep ourselves and our family safe. There was no pandemic.. It was created to divide the population. Hopefully ppl now see the govt for what they really are.
I'll tell my dead father that. Oh, wait, covid killed him
Was he vaccinated? "Please don't bring that particular party to this thread. | |||
"We have done way less swinging. Hosted a massive 40th birthday party Jan 2020 and then lockdowns. Socially it’s more difficult & things have def changed in general. Also we had lots of heavy life stuff layered in that got majorly impacted. Not a good time. Aim to Coast out 2023 & turn the world upside down in 2024! " Have fun next year! | |||
"I would say yes, but no through covid or the illness, but due to the lasting effects the lifestyle changes have had on everyday life,and things that happened due to the changing routines for people. Life is definitely not the same now, despite all through lockdowns not much changing for myself. Approaching four years on and I'm without doubt in a different place due to circumstances changing and things happening around me out of my control, majority as a result of policy making during the pandemic. To me, covid was the easy bit. " It has had such far-reaching effects it's impossible to fathom. And some of them were so random. It's a great deal harder to cope with when you've no control. | |||
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"Definitely changed my opinion on people (not that I viewed them with rose-tinted glasses to begin with)... there was a very stark contrast between those who wanted to help protect others and those who decided that any mild inconvenience to them was completely and utterly unacceptable." So very true. And I think with the detachment that lockdowns forced upon us, it became easy to see who didn't really add anything to our lives. And who did. | |||
"Covid made me realise that the fine line between civil society and it collapsing into complete anarchy isn't that much of a disaster away. You just have to look at how the pro/anti vax brigades speak to each other with such hatred and vitriol. Then you have the mass panic buying and the chaos that supermarkets turned into over loo roll and pasta. I reckon anything slightly worse than covid and the whole shitshow comes tumbling down. We'd be proper fucked if it was something like an asteroid impact or that supervolcano under yellowstone goes pop." There were so many examples of wonderful, kind, generous people but also the unbelievable selfishness of the masses which was pretty horrifying. | |||
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"It has forced me to face and embrace my own mortality. I no longer suffer fools or waste my evenings or weekends with people who don’t make an attempt to stay close. COVID has ruined a generation of our children and will we as a group, humanity, have taken nothing forward. We have given up on social distancing, masks and good hand hygiene which can help defend against all infectious diseases. " Sounds positive for you, but I don't know why you say we have ruined a generation of children. I say this as a parent of several children. | |||
"It has forced me to face and embrace my own mortality. I no longer suffer fools or waste my evenings or weekends with people who don’t make an attempt to stay close. COVID has ruined a generation of our children and will we as a group, humanity, have taken nothing forward. We have given up on social distancing, masks and good hand hygiene which can help defend against all infectious diseases. Sounds positive for you, but I don't know why you say we have ruined a generation of children. I say this as a parent of several children. " We aren't great at adapting to changes nor taking responsibility for ourselves... Then you have some nonsensical laws and their operation. Parents not coping well. Schools not coping well. Some have really struggled.... Businesses and govt departments still using covid as an excuse for poor or no service. I can understand why some kids are struggling still. | |||
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"It has forced me to face and embrace my own mortality. I no longer suffer fools or waste my evenings or weekends with people who don’t make an attempt to stay close. COVID has ruined a generation of our children and will we as a group, humanity, have taken nothing forward. We have given up on social distancing, masks and good hand hygiene which can help defend against all infectious diseases. Sounds positive for you, but I don't know why you say we have ruined a generation of children. I say this as a parent of several children. " You must be one of the lucky ones not to have one with mental health problems, anxiety or similar as a result. My experience as a parent of a special needs child and in contact with lots of parents in similar situations, as well as numerous health care professionals (psychotherapists, councillors, social workers, occupational therapists, physiotherapists, GPs, paediatric consultants, nurses...) is that my daughter has been affected in a manner that she will probably never recover from, especially from a mental health point and will therefore probably never reach her full potential. The knock-on effect of lockdowns, school closures and social distancing has severely impacted her ability to socialise and engage. Every health care professional I have had contact with has told me that the mental health crisis in children and teenagers is at an all time high, especially in children and youths with additional needs - because of lockdowns, school closures and social distancing. My neurotypical son is only starting to come back into himself but I'm sure he bears the emotional scars... Personally, I think it will take years to see the actual fallout where our children and teenagers are concerned, particularly as there are not half enough resources to even start contemplating reparation for our youth. | |||
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"It has forced me to face and embrace my own mortality. I no longer suffer fools or waste my evenings or weekends with people who don’t make an attempt to stay close. COVID has ruined a generation of our children and will we as a group, humanity, have taken nothing forward. We have given up on social distancing, masks and good hand hygiene which can help defend against all infectious diseases. Sounds positive for you, but I don't know why you say we have ruined a generation of children. I say this as a parent of several children. We aren't great at adapting to changes nor taking responsibility for ourselves... Then you have some nonsensical laws and their operation. Parents not coping well. Schools not coping well. Some have really struggled.... Businesses and govt departments still using covid as an excuse for poor or no service. I can understand why some kids are struggling still. " I'm not denying that at all. But a whole generation of children ruined? Somewhat hyperbolic. | |||
"Covid certainly has changed my life and made me realise what I was missing. Sallyforth from the NE you weren’t a school teacher ?" No, never been a teacher | |||
"It has forced me to face and embrace my own mortality. I no longer suffer fools or waste my evenings or weekends with people who don’t make an attempt to stay close. COVID has ruined a generation of our children and will we as a group, humanity, have taken nothing forward. We have given up on social distancing, masks and good hand hygiene which can help defend against all infectious diseases. Sounds positive for you, but I don't know why you say we have ruined a generation of children. I say this as a parent of several children. You must be one of the lucky ones not to have one with mental health problems, anxiety or similar as a result. My experience as a parent of a special needs child and in contact with lots of parents in similar situations, as well as numerous health care professionals (psychotherapists, councillors, social workers, occupational therapists, physiotherapists, GPs, paediatric consultants, nurses...) is that my daughter has been affected in a manner that she will probably never recover from, especially from a mental health point and will therefore probably never reach her full potential. The knock-on effect of lockdowns, school closures and social distancing has severely impacted her ability to socialise and engage. Every health care professional I have had contact with has told me that the mental health crisis in children and teenagers is at an all time high, especially in children and youths with additional needs - because of lockdowns, school closures and social distancing. My neurotypical son is only starting to come back into himself but I'm sure he bears the emotional scars... Personally, I think it will take years to see the actual fallout where our children and teenagers are concerned, particularly as there are not half enough resources to even start contemplating reparation for our youth. " I have four children. All of them are neuro-diverse. I'm certainly not ignorant of the issues of the ways the pandemic have affected young people. One of my children has had his life completely upended by the pandemic and he is still finding his way back. I suffered badly from panic attacks and another one of my kids from anxiety which continues. I'm really sorry that your daughter has been so affected and the impact that COVID has had on your family. I am absolutely not minimising the impact on so many children. I was querying "an entire generation" having their lives ruined because COVID. That narrative seems...dramatic and what is it based on? | |||
"It has forced me to face and embrace my own mortality. I no longer suffer fools or waste my evenings or weekends with people who don’t make an attempt to stay close. COVID has ruined a generation of our children and will we as a group, humanity, have taken nothing forward. We have given up on social distancing, masks and good hand hygiene which can help defend against all infectious diseases. Sounds positive for you, but I don't know why you say we have ruined a generation of children. I say this as a parent of several children. You must be one of the lucky ones not to have one with mental health problems, anxiety or similar as a result. My experience as a parent of a special needs child and in contact with lots of parents in similar situations, as well as numerous health care professionals (psychotherapists, councillors, social workers, occupational therapists, physiotherapists, GPs, paediatric consultants, nurses...) is that my daughter has been affected in a manner that she will probably never recover from, especially from a mental health point and will therefore probably never reach her full potential. The knock-on effect of lockdowns, school closures and social distancing has severely impacted her ability to socialise and engage. Every health care professional I have had contact with has told me that the mental health crisis in children and teenagers is at an all time high, especially in children and youths with additional needs - because of lockdowns, school closures and social distancing. My neurotypical son is only starting to come back into himself but I'm sure he bears the emotional scars... Personally, I think it will take years to see the actual fallout where our children and teenagers are concerned, particularly as there are not half enough resources to even start contemplating reparation for our youth. I have four children. All of them are neuro-diverse. I'm certainly not ignorant of the issues of the ways the pandemic have affected young people. One of my children has had his life completely upended by the pandemic and he is still finding his way back. I suffered badly from panic attacks and another one of my kids from anxiety which continues. I'm really sorry that your daughter has been so affected and the impact that COVID has had on your family. I am absolutely not minimising the impact on so many children. I was querying "an entire generation" having their lives ruined because COVID. That narrative seems...dramatic and what is it based on? " Thank you 
My heart goes out to you and your children. I do wish you all the best coming out the other side and hope it gets better and easier with time.
I was merely explaining my own experience and what I've been told by parents in similar situations as well as the professionals I deal with on a regular basis.
As the comment you're querying wasn't mine, I can't really answer that question but an entire generation has been affected by the Covid measures taken - some more severely than others. We all have been affected somewhere along the line.
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"It has forced me to face and embrace my own mortality. I no longer suffer fools or waste my evenings or weekends with people who don’t make an attempt to stay close. COVID has ruined a generation of our children and will we as a group, humanity, have taken nothing forward. We have given up on social distancing, masks and good hand hygiene which can help defend against all infectious diseases. Sounds positive for you, but I don't know why you say we have ruined a generation of children. I say this as a parent of several children. You must be one of the lucky ones not to have one with mental health problems, anxiety or similar as a result. My experience as a parent of a special needs child and in contact with lots of parents in similar situations, as well as numerous health care professionals (psychotherapists, councillors, social workers, occupational therapists, physiotherapists, GPs, paediatric consultants, nurses...) is that my daughter has been affected in a manner that she will probably never recover from, especially from a mental health point and will therefore probably never reach her full potential. The knock-on effect of lockdowns, school closures and social distancing has severely impacted her ability to socialise and engage. Every health care professional I have had contact with has told me that the mental health crisis in children and teenagers is at an all time high, especially in children and youths with additional needs - because of lockdowns, school closures and social distancing. My neurotypical son is only starting to come back into himself but I'm sure he bears the emotional scars... Personally, I think it will take years to see the actual fallout where our children and teenagers are concerned, particularly as there are not half enough resources to even start contemplating reparation for our youth. I have four children. All of them are neuro-diverse. I'm certainly not ignorant of the issues of the ways the pandemic have affected young people. One of my children has had his life completely upended by the pandemic and he is still finding his way back. I suffered badly from panic attacks and another one of my kids from anxiety which continues. I'm really sorry that your daughter has been so affected and the impact that COVID has had on your family. I am absolutely not minimising the impact on so many children. I was querying "an entire generation" having their lives ruined because COVID. That narrative seems...dramatic and what is it based on? Thank you
My heart goes out to you and your children. I do wish you all the best coming out the other side and hope it gets better and easier with time.
I was merely explaining my own experience and what I've been told by parents in similar situations as well as the professionals I deal with on a regular basis.
As the comment you're querying wasn't mine, I can't really answer that question but an entire generation has been affected by the Covid measures taken - some more severely than others. We all have been affected somewhere along the line.
"Despite this thread, which was triggered the realisation of how my life has changed, I am minimising it all in my head. I wanted to see how other people felt. And it is just as you say, for some life hasn't changed at all, for some it's been a monumental shift. Wishing you and your family all the best | |||
"It has forced me to face and embrace my own mortality. I no longer suffer fools or waste my evenings or weekends with people who don’t make an attempt to stay close. COVID has ruined a generation of our children and will we as a group, humanity, have taken nothing forward. We have given up on social distancing, masks and good hand hygiene which can help defend against all infectious diseases. Sounds positive for you, but I don't know why you say we have ruined a generation of children. I say this as a parent of several children. You must be one of the lucky ones not to have one with mental health problems, anxiety or similar as a result. My experience as a parent of a special needs child and in contact with lots of parents in similar situations, as well as numerous health care professionals (psychotherapists, councillors, social workers, occupational therapists, physiotherapists, GPs, paediatric consultants, nurses...) is that my daughter has been affected in a manner that she will probably never recover from, especially from a mental health point and will therefore probably never reach her full potential. The knock-on effect of lockdowns, school closures and social distancing has severely impacted her ability to socialise and engage. Every health care professional I have had contact with has told me that the mental health crisis in children and teenagers is at an all time high, especially in children and youths with additional needs - because of lockdowns, school closures and social distancing. My neurotypical son is only starting to come back into himself but I'm sure he bears the emotional scars... Personally, I think it will take years to see the actual fallout where our children and teenagers are concerned, particularly as there are not half enough resources to even start contemplating reparation for our youth. " I have three and the advice you have heard is the advice I regularly give. Thanks for the honest post. I hope things improve | |||
"It has forced me to face and embrace my own mortality. I no longer suffer fools or waste my evenings or weekends with people who don’t make an attempt to stay close. COVID has ruined a generation of our children and will we as a group, humanity, have taken nothing forward. We have given up on social distancing, masks and good hand hygiene which can help defend against all infectious diseases. Sounds positive for you, but I don't know why you say we have ruined a generation of children. I say this as a parent of several children. We aren't great at adapting to changes nor taking responsibility for ourselves... Then you have some nonsensical laws and their operation. Parents not coping well. Schools not coping well. Some have really struggled.... Businesses and govt departments still using covid as an excuse for poor or no service. I can understand why some kids are struggling still. I'm not denying that at all. But a whole generation of children ruined? Somewhat hyperbolic. " Hi. I found your initial post really interesting and honest. I gave my opinion but it was not hyperbolic nor theoretical. It is factual and catastrophic. The children who lived through the lockdowns and COVID are all scared to a degree but some have lost the little opportunities they should have had in a pandemic free world. The post pandemic mental health crisis for children and adults to a degree is only just taking hold and with the NHS not having any formal plan to deal with this they are abandoning parents and children. Good mental health care for a child who is 5 or 10 could be the difference between life and death in the later teens. If you don’t believe me do your own research of how your local CAMHS service is doing. Referral to appointments ratio is around 100:1 That’s 99 kids not getting ANY help. That’s siblings and at least one parent not getting any support. The cost to the wider health and social economy is astounding. I liked the initial post and have found all the comments on here to be honest and appreciate every one. | |||
"It has forced me to face and embrace my own mortality. I no longer suffer fools or waste my evenings or weekends with people who don’t make an attempt to stay close. COVID has ruined a generation of our children and will we as a group, humanity, have taken nothing forward. We have given up on social distancing, masks and good hand hygiene which can help defend against all infectious diseases. Sounds positive for you, but I don't know why you say we have ruined a generation of children. I say this as a parent of several children. You must be one of the lucky ones not to have one with mental health problems, anxiety or similar as a result. My experience as a parent of a special needs child and in contact with lots of parents in similar situations, as well as numerous health care professionals (psychotherapists, councillors, social workers, occupational therapists, physiotherapists, GPs, paediatric consultants, nurses...) is that my daughter has been affected in a manner that she will probably never recover from, especially from a mental health point and will therefore probably never reach her full potential. The knock-on effect of lockdowns, school closures and social distancing has severely impacted her ability to socialise and engage. Every health care professional I have had contact with has told me that the mental health crisis in children and teenagers is at an all time high, especially in children and youths with additional needs - because of lockdowns, school closures and social distancing. My neurotypical son is only starting to come back into himself but I'm sure he bears the emotional scars... Personally, I think it will take years to see the actual fallout where our children and teenagers are concerned, particularly as there are not half enough resources to even start contemplating reparation for our youth. I have four children. All of them are neuro-diverse. I'm certainly not ignorant of the issues of the ways the pandemic have affected young people. One of my children has had his life completely upended by the pandemic and he is still finding his way back. I suffered badly from panic attacks and another one of my kids from anxiety which continues. I'm really sorry that your daughter has been so affected and the impact that COVID has had on your family. I am absolutely not minimising the impact on so many children. I was querying "an entire generation" having their lives ruined because COVID. That narrative seems...dramatic and what is it based on? Thank you
My heart goes out to you and your children. I do wish you all the best coming out the other side and hope it gets better and easier with time.
I was merely explaining my own experience and what I've been told by parents in similar situations as well as the professionals I deal with on a regular basis.
As the comment you're querying wasn't mine, I can't really answer that question but an entire generation has been affected by the Covid measures taken - some more severely than others. We all have been affected somewhere along the line.
Despite this thread, which was triggered the realisation of how my life has changed, I am minimising it all in my head. I wanted to see how other people felt. And it is just as you say, for some life hasn't changed at all, for some it's been a monumental shift.
Wishing you and your family all the best "I think your comment is key, with some or most just not realising or wanting to realise - "I am minimising it in my head". That's what most people do who have suffered trauma or abuse - believe me, I know. I have posted about being a victim of paedophelia on the Irish forum on a number of occasions. And that was my mantra to minimise my trauma, to make excuses for my abuser "it was only...". And I'm sure most of us remember how the measures taken were minimised by our leaders, by our media outlets: "it's only 2 weeks, it's only until Easter, it's only until Christmas, it's only a mask, it's only one jab, 2, 3... it's only furlough, it's only temporary, it's only a request, it's only a mandate, it's for your own good". I say this without opinion on measures being right or wrong because lives were saved on one hand but destroyed on another and a different course would have saved different lives but destroyed others. Our children missed monumental developmental milestones in that time. And as the poster you replied to said, it will have massive consequences on our youth in years to come, partly because we're not prepared for the fallout with adequate resources. All I would say is - admit to yourself that you've been traumatized as have your children, regardless of whether you believe the measures taken were right or wrong. Allow healing to happen over time with the right people to support you by your side. Be kind to yourself and remove the toxic people from your life. It's ok to have differing opinions and to part ways with friends or family where respect for a difference in opinion cannot be given. | |||
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"It has forced me to face and embrace my own mortality. I no longer suffer fools or waste my evenings or weekends with people who don’t make an attempt to stay close. COVID has ruined a generation of our children and will we as a group, humanity, have taken nothing forward. We have given up on social distancing, masks and good hand hygiene which can help defend against all infectious diseases. Sounds positive for you, but I don't know why you say we have ruined a generation of children. I say this as a parent of several children. We aren't great at adapting to changes nor taking responsibility for ourselves... Then you have some nonsensical laws and their operation. Parents not coping well. Schools not coping well. Some have really struggled.... Businesses and govt departments still using covid as an excuse for poor or no service. I can understand why some kids are struggling still. I'm not denying that at all. But a whole generation of children ruined? Somewhat hyperbolic. " Yeah if that's been said its of course hyperbole. Like most things some benefitted from the changes... Some were ok and some have been badly damaged... But since nobody has a time machine we just have to move on. | |||
"It has forced me to face and embrace my own mortality. I no longer suffer fools or waste my evenings or weekends with people who don’t make an attempt to stay close. COVID has ruined a generation of our children and will we as a group, humanity, have taken nothing forward. We have given up on social distancing, masks and good hand hygiene which can help defend against all infectious diseases. Sounds positive for you, but I don't know why you say we have ruined a generation of children. I say this as a parent of several children. You must be one of the lucky ones not to have one with mental health problems, anxiety or similar as a result. My experience as a parent of a special needs child and in contact with lots of parents in similar situations, as well as numerous health care professionals (psychotherapists, councillors, social workers, occupational therapists, physiotherapists, GPs, paediatric consultants, nurses...) is that my daughter has been affected in a manner that she will probably never recover from, especially from a mental health point and will therefore probably never reach her full potential. The knock-on effect of lockdowns, school closures and social distancing has severely impacted her ability to socialise and engage. Every health care professional I have had contact with has told me that the mental health crisis in children and teenagers is at an all time high, especially in children and youths with additional needs - because of lockdowns, school closures and social distancing. My neurotypical son is only starting to come back into himself but I'm sure he bears the emotional scars... Personally, I think it will take years to see the actual fallout where our children and teenagers are concerned, particularly as there are not half enough resources to even start contemplating reparation for our youth. I have four children. All of them are neuro-diverse. I'm certainly not ignorant of the issues of the ways the pandemic have affected young people. One of my children has had his life completely upended by the pandemic and he is still finding his way back. I suffered badly from panic attacks and another one of my kids from anxiety which continues. I'm really sorry that your daughter has been so affected and the impact that COVID has had on your family. I am absolutely not minimising the impact on so many children. I was querying "an entire generation" having their lives ruined because COVID. That narrative seems...dramatic and what is it based on? Thank you
My heart goes out to you and your children. I do wish you all the best coming out the other side and hope it gets better and easier with time.
I was merely explaining my own experience and what I've been told by parents in similar situations as well as the professionals I deal with on a regular basis.
As the comment you're querying wasn't mine, I can't really answer that question but an entire generation has been affected by the Covid measures taken - some more severely than others. We all have been affected somewhere along the line.
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"It's a good thread op. And not minimising things at all. Like others here I have kids severely affected by it... There is however a point where of you keep telling all people that they have been traumatised, ruined, lives changed and other dramatic expression that social media click bait uses... Then they become a self fulfilling prophecy. Some people thrived through it. We have to learn to move on and not wallow in it. There will never been enough "help" whatever that means so we have to help ourselves. And yes some folks are in a tough place as a consequence. But I don't believe anything good can come of wailing covid ad infinitum. " Hear hear. There have been tough times in the past and there will be again. For some it’s tough all the time. I don’t at all mean to diminish the huge effects that Covid and the measures taken to try and keep people safe (however misguided you may believe them in retrospect to have been) have had on some people, but there needs to be a certain level of resilience… | |||
"I've been musing on this lately. I ended a friendship today because it feels we are in such different places now. Perhaps it was always like this, but since 2020 I no longer want to open up to her. Because dramatic events bring out the best and worse in us all. The dance community astonished me how people I classed as friends turned out to be selfish, whiney, hypocrites. Moaning they couldn't go out to dance and screaming for an instant vaccine. When the vaccine became available thn started screaming how they wouldn't take it. I have taken a fair few friends ad relatives out of my life as a result. My eldest son shut down in 2020 when GCSEs were cancelled. He remains detached still.
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"It has forced me to face and embrace my own mortality. I no longer suffer fools or waste my evenings or weekends with people who don’t make an attempt to stay close. COVID has ruined a generation of our children and will we as a group, humanity, have taken nothing forward. We have given up on social distancing, masks and good hand hygiene which can help defend against all infectious diseases. Sounds positive for you, but I don't know why you say we have ruined a generation of children. I say this as a parent of several children. We aren't great at adapting to changes nor taking responsibility for ourselves... Then you have some nonsensical laws and their operation. Parents not coping well. Schools not coping well. Some have really struggled.... Businesses and govt departments still using covid as an excuse for poor or no service. I can understand why some kids are struggling still. I'm not denying that at all. But a whole generation of children ruined? Somewhat hyperbolic. Hi. I found your initial post really interesting and honest. I gave my opinion but it was not hyperbolic nor theoretical. It is factual and catastrophic. The children who lived through the lockdowns and COVID are all scared to a degree but some have lost the little opportunities they should have had in a pandemic free world. The post pandemic mental health crisis for children and adults to a degree is only just taking hold and with the NHS not having any formal plan to deal with this they are abandoning parents and children. Good mental health care for a child who is 5 or 10 could be the difference between life and death in the later teens. If you don’t believe me do your own research of how your local CAMHS service is doing. Referral to appointments ratio is around 100:1 That’s 99 kids not getting ANY help. That’s siblings and at least one parent not getting any support. The cost to the wider health and social economy is astounding. I liked the initial post and have found all the comments on here to be honest and appreciate every one. " I am currently talking to CAHMS actually! It really depends hugely on the local resources and setup how it works. Our referral has been very fast. I also dealt with them pre-COVID. They're so much better than when I sought help before. But that's just my area. I know that it's quite desperate in other areas. Don't underestimate the impact that years of austerity cuts made before the pandemic - the headlines were already there. Young people with disabilities and/or mental health problems is one of the groups to be most affected by austerity. And now by COVID. Not even taking the unknown impact of long covid into account. When this got moved to the Virus section I thought "oh fuck" but it has been a real insight into the many ways COVID has changed peoples' lives. | |||
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"It's a good thread op. And not minimising things at all. Like others here I have kids severely affected by it... There is however a point where of you keep telling all people that they have been traumatised, ruined, lives changed and other dramatic expression that social media click bait uses... Then they become a self fulfilling prophecy. Some people thrived through it. We have to learn to move on and not wallow in it. There will never been enough "help" whatever that means so we have to help ourselves. And yes some folks are in a tough place as a consequence. But I don't believe anything good can come of wailing covid ad infinitum. Hear hear. There have been tough times in the past and there will be again. For some it’s tough all the time. I don’t at all mean to diminish the huge effects that Covid and the measures taken to try and keep people safe (however misguided you may believe them in retrospect to have been) have had on some people, but there needs to be a certain level of resilience…" Unfortunately our vulnerable children and teenagers with additional needs did not have the resilience needed to get through as unscathed as fully functioning adults with a lifetime experience of shit thrown their way and were left to rot by the powers that closed schools and services desperately needed to help them and their parents cope and manage through a crisis of this scale. My previous comments stand - in order to start healing, we need to accept that we've been traumatized. There's no need to dramatise the fact but minimising it, makes those who feel traumatized feel like they're neither heard nor understood. If it's one thing I learned throughout my life, it's that the way to feel I have value, is to feel that I'm heard and understood and not brushed aside. That's why I would never minimise anyone's loss, grief or trauma whether that is down to a loss of a loved one to Covid, personal ill effects of Covid or a vaccine injury etc. Your feelings are valid, you matter. That doesn't mean, we don't all need to get up off our arses to try and help ourselves as best we can going forward and look to create a better future for ourselves and those around us. | |||
"It has forced me to face and embrace my own mortality. I no longer suffer fools or waste my evenings or weekends with people who don’t make an attempt to stay close. COVID has ruined a generation of our children and will we as a group, humanity, have taken nothing forward. We have given up on social distancing, masks and good hand hygiene which can help defend against all infectious diseases. Sounds positive for you, but I don't know why you say we have ruined a generation of children. I say this as a parent of several children. We aren't great at adapting to changes nor taking responsibility for ourselves... Then you have some nonsensical laws and their operation. Parents not coping well. Schools not coping well. Some have really struggled.... Businesses and govt departments still using covid as an excuse for poor or no service. I can understand why some kids are struggling still. I'm not denying that at all. But a whole generation of children ruined? Somewhat hyperbolic. Hi. I found your initial post really interesting and honest. I gave my opinion but it was not hyperbolic nor theoretical. It is factual and catastrophic. The children who lived through the lockdowns and COVID are all scared to a degree but some have lost the little opportunities they should have had in a pandemic free world. The post pandemic mental health crisis for children and adults to a degree is only just taking hold and with the NHS not having any formal plan to deal with this they are abandoning parents and children. Good mental health care for a child who is 5 or 10 could be the difference between life and death in the later teens. If you don’t believe me do your own research of how your local CAMHS service is doing. Referral to appointments ratio is around 100:1 That’s 99 kids not getting ANY help. That’s siblings and at least one parent not getting any support. The cost to the wider health and social economy is astounding. I liked the initial post and have found all the comments on here to be honest and appreciate every one. I am currently talking to CAHMS actually! It really depends hugely on the local resources and setup how it works. Our referral has been very fast. I also dealt with them pre-COVID. They're so much better than when I sought help before. But that's just my area. I know that it's quite desperate in other areas. Don't underestimate the impact that years of austerity cuts made before the pandemic - the headlines were already there. Young people with disabilities and/or mental health problems is one of the groups to be most affected by austerity. And now by COVID. Not even taking the unknown impact of long covid into account. When this got moved to the Virus section I thought "oh fuck" but it has been a real insight into the many ways COVID has changed peoples' lives. " CAHMS initially wouldn't touch us because of the ASD diagnosis. We had to go through Pieta House, where they initially wanted to do therapy sessions over the phone - with an autistic child who wouldn't talk to her parents, never mind anyone else  . We finally managed to get face to face sessions - it took a suicide attempt not a year later to get an appointment with CAMHS and the only thing they can do to help is medicate.
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"Definitely changed my opinion on people (not that I viewed them with rose-tinted glasses to begin with)... there was a very stark contrast between those who wanted to help protect others and those who decided that any mild inconvenience to them was completely and utterly unacceptable." I was thinking the same. But you put it way more politely than I was going to about the ‘deniers’. See I used a polite word for them after all | |||
"Definitely changed my opinion on people (not that I viewed them with rose-tinted glasses to begin with)... there was a very stark contrast between those who wanted to help protect others and those who decided that any mild inconvenience to them was completely and utterly unacceptable. I was thinking the same. But you put it way more politely than I was going to about the ‘deniers’. See I used a polite word for them after all "Basically then you can’t accept the views of people who possibly don’t agree with you. | |||
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"Definitely changed my opinion on people (not that I viewed them with rose-tinted glasses to begin with)... there was a very stark contrast between those who wanted to help protect others and those who decided that any mild inconvenience to them was completely and utterly unacceptable. I was thinking the same. But you put it way more politely than I was going to about the ‘deniers’. See I used a polite word for them after all
Basically then you can’t accept the views of people who possibly don’t agree with you. "I can’t accept the ‘view’ of people who make up drivel and blame everyone and everything except themselves. The ‘MSM, Big Pharma, the Government (who frankly couldn’t organise a piss up in brewery let alone orchestrate a conspiracy), the medical establishment’. People that watch a couple’s of YouTube clips from people that claim they know better that the actual scientists. They need to grow up, and stop obsessing being awkward for awkwards sake. Or just to get attention. Any how. There are a few home truths that will piss off the deluded. But hey ho. I won’t be back to read any responses. | |||
"Definitely changed my opinion on people (not that I viewed them with rose-tinted glasses to begin with)... there was a very stark contrast between those who wanted to help protect others and those who decided that any mild inconvenience to them was completely and utterly unacceptable. I was thinking the same. But you put it way more politely than I was going to about the ‘deniers’. See I used a polite word for them after all
Basically then you can’t accept the views of people who possibly don’t agree with you.
I can’t accept the ‘view’ of people who make up drivel and blame everyone and everything except themselves. The ‘MSM, Big Pharma, the Government (who frankly couldn’t organise a piss up in brewery let alone orchestrate a conspiracy), the medical establishment’. People that watch a couple’s of YouTube clips from people that claim they know better that the actual scientists. They need to grow up, and stop obsessing being awkward for awkwards sake. Or just to get attention. Any how. There are a few home truths that will piss off the deluded. But hey ho. I won’t be back to read any responses. "You mean the regulatory medical establishments and actual scientists in the employ of organisations who receive funding from Big Pharma?...And the science that turned out to be total horseshit? And politicians steering "the science"...to quote Prof Sir Chris Witty "Scientists would not have proposed lockdowns without ministers suggesting them." And the same old Youtube put down, very original. Go get yourself a colouring book and some crayons and keep yourself out of mischief. | |||
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"Before covid. Things were on the up. During covid it treated me rotten. Resilience is key and it helped me to believe I could face anything that dare get in my way. 50..no celebration Could not study my degree.. Felt awful as my assessments grades were good. Work stopped then started. Toilet rolls.. Food scarcity Family.. Couldn't visit It only changed my anger at politicians " It delayed me finishing my degree. | |||
"Definitely changed my opinion on people (not that I viewed them with rose-tinted glasses to begin with)... there was a very stark contrast between those who wanted to help protect others and those who decided that any mild inconvenience to them was completely and utterly unacceptable. I was thinking the same. But you put it way more politely than I was going to about the ‘deniers’. See I used a polite word for them after all
Basically then you can’t accept the views of people who possibly don’t agree with you.
I can’t accept the ‘view’ of people who make up drivel and blame everyone and everything except themselves. The ‘MSM, Big Pharma, the Government (who frankly couldn’t organise a piss up in brewery let alone orchestrate a conspiracy), the medical establishment’. People that watch a couple’s of YouTube clips from people that claim they know better that the actual scientists. They need to grow up, and stop obsessing being awkward for awkwards sake. Or just to get attention. Any how. There are a few home truths that will piss off the deluded. But hey ho. I won’t be back to read any responses. "And we all know why. Because you can’t tolerate or engage like an intelligent adult when people disagree with you. | |||
"Definitely changed my opinion on people (not that I viewed them with rose-tinted glasses to begin with)... there was a very stark contrast between those who wanted to help protect others and those who decided that any mild inconvenience to them was completely and utterly unacceptable. I was thinking the same. But you put it way more politely than I was going to about the ‘deniers’. See I used a polite word for them after all
Basically then you can’t accept the views of people who possibly don’t agree with you.
I can’t accept the ‘view’ of people who make up drivel and blame everyone and everything except themselves. The ‘MSM, Big Pharma, the Government (who frankly couldn’t organise a piss up in brewery let alone orchestrate a conspiracy), the medical establishment’. People that watch a couple’s of YouTube clips from people that claim they know better that the actual scientists. They need to grow up, and stop obsessing being awkward for awkwards sake. Or just to get attention. Any how. There are a few home truths that will piss off the deluded. But hey ho. I won’t be back to read any responses.
And we all know why. Because you can’t tolerate or engage like an intelligent adult when people disagree with you."When people disagree with scientists, medical experts etc, it’s best to ask for their expertise in the subject. I’m happy to listen to the sort of folk who claim the vaccine was a ‘death jab’, in the same way that I’m happy to listen to flat earthers or moon landing deniers - but I’d really like to know how they are more knowledgeable on the subject than actual experts in the respective field. | |||
"I've been musing on this lately. I ended a friendship today because it feels we are in such different places now. Perhaps it was always like this, but since 2020 I no longer want to open up to her. My eldest son shut down in 2020 when GCSEs were cancelled. He remains detached still.
I'm nowhere near as close to my mum now, but my sister is now my bestie. I don't know what to make of it all sometimes. "I built some very close relationships with a small number of work colleagues who worked together with me during Covid and built up more of an online relationship with family members that I was previously close to, that closeness I don’t feel has ever returned. I have found it difficult to build close relationships since as I have drifted away from people in general. Haven’t really thought about it too much until now as. | |||
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"It has forced me to face and embrace my own mortality. I no longer suffer fools or waste my evenings or weekends with people who don’t make an attempt to stay close. COVID has ruined a generation of our children and will we as a group, humanity, have taken nothing forward. We have given up on social distancing, masks and good hand hygiene which can help defend against all infectious diseases. Sounds positive for you, but I don't know why you say we have ruined a generation of children. I say this as a parent of several children. We aren't great at adapting to changes nor taking responsibility for ourselves... Then you have some nonsensical laws and their operation. Parents not coping well. Schools not coping well. Some have really struggled.... Businesses and govt departments still using covid as an excuse for poor or no service. I can understand why some kids are struggling still. I'm not denying that at all. But a whole generation of children ruined? Somewhat hyperbolic. Hi. I found your initial post really interesting and honest. I gave my opinion but it was not hyperbolic nor theoretical. It is factual and catastrophic. The children who lived through the lockdowns and COVID are all scared to a degree but some have lost the little opportunities they should have had in a pandemic free world. The post pandemic mental health crisis for children and adults to a degree is only just taking hold and with the NHS not having any formal plan to deal with this they are abandoning parents and children. Good mental health care for a child who is 5 or 10 could be the difference between life and death in the later teens. If you don’t believe me do your own research of how your local CAMHS service is doing. Referral to appointments ratio is around 100:1 That’s 99 kids not getting ANY help. That’s siblings and at least one parent not getting any support. The cost to the wider health and social economy is astounding. I liked the initial post and have found all the comments on here to be honest and appreciate every one. I am currently talking to CAHMS actually! It really depends hugely on the local resources and setup how it works. Our referral has been very fast. I also dealt with them pre-COVID. They're so much better than when I sought help before. But that's just my area. I know that it's quite desperate in other areas. Don't underestimate the impact that years of austerity cuts made before the pandemic - the headlines were already there. Young people with disabilities and/or mental health problems is one of the groups to be most affected by austerity. And now by COVID. Not even taking the unknown impact of long covid into account. When this got moved to the Virus section I thought "oh fuck" but it has been a real insight into the many ways COVID has changed peoples' lives. CAHMS initially wouldn't touch us because of the ASD diagnosis. We had to go through Pieta House, where they initially wanted to do therapy sessions over the phone - with an autistic child who wouldn't talk to her parents, never mind anyone else . We finally managed to get face to face sessions - it took a suicide attempt not a year later to get an appointment with CAMHS and the only thing they can do to help is medicate.
Delighted to hear you're getting the help needed!"Thank you! On my third attempt, I am hopeful at last. | |||
"Yeah I supposed it changed everyone, we definitely learnt how to do DIY and fix up the garden " Oh fuck were we supposed to learn DIY? Epic fail for me!  | |||
"Definitely changed my opinion on people (not that I viewed them with rose-tinted glasses to begin with)... there was a very stark contrast between those who wanted to help protect others and those who decided that any mild inconvenience to them was completely and utterly unacceptable. I was thinking the same. But you put it way more politely than I was going to about the ‘deniers’. See I used a polite word for them after all
Basically then you can’t accept the views of people who possibly don’t agree with you.
I can’t accept the ‘view’ of people who make up drivel and blame everyone and everything except themselves. The ‘MSM, Big Pharma, the Government (who frankly couldn’t organise a piss up in brewery let alone orchestrate a conspiracy), the medical establishment’. People that watch a couple’s of YouTube clips from people that claim they know better that the actual scientists. They need to grow up, and stop obsessing being awkward for awkwards sake. Or just to get attention. Any how. There are a few home truths that will piss off the deluded. But hey ho. I won’t be back to read any responses.
And we all know why. Because you can’t tolerate or engage like an intelligent adult when people disagree with you.
When people disagree with scientists, medical experts etc, it’s best to ask for their expertise in the subject.
I’m happy to listen to the sort of folk who claim the vaccine was a ‘death jab’, in the same way that I’m happy to listen to flat earthers or moon landing deniers - but I’d really like to know how they are more knowledgeable on the subject than actual experts in the respective field."Wow... You really thought that answer out... How did they know if as proved, manufactured in a laboratory? | |||
"Yeah I supposed it changed everyone, we definitely learnt how to do DIY and fix up the garden Oh fuck were we supposed to learn DIY? Epic fail for me! "Happy to learn to drink and party more during it. . got t shirt | |||
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"Definitely changed my opinion on people (not that I viewed them with rose-tinted glasses to begin with)... there was a very stark contrast between those who wanted to help protect others and those who decided that any mild inconvenience to them was completely and utterly unacceptable. I was thinking the same. But you put it way more politely than I was going to about the ‘deniers’. See I used a polite word for them after all
Basically then you can’t accept the views of people who possibly don’t agree with you.
I can’t accept the ‘view’ of people who make up drivel and blame everyone and everything except themselves. The ‘MSM, Big Pharma, the Government (who frankly couldn’t organise a piss up in brewery let alone orchestrate a conspiracy), the medical establishment’. People that watch a couple’s of YouTube clips from people that claim they know better that the actual scientists. They need to grow up, and stop obsessing being awkward for awkwards sake. Or just to get attention. Any how. There are a few home truths that will piss off the deluded. But hey ho. I won’t be back to read any responses.
And we all know why. Because you can’t tolerate or engage like an intelligent adult when people disagree with you.
When people disagree with scientists, medical experts etc, it’s best to ask for their expertise in the subject.
I’m happy to listen to the sort of folk who claim the vaccine was a ‘death jab’, in the same way that I’m happy to listen to flat earthers or moon landing deniers - but I’d really like to know how they are more knowledgeable on the subject than actual experts in the respective field.
Wow... You really thought that answer out... How did they know if as proved, manufactured in a laboratory? "Where's this proof? | |||
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"Yes. Still angry at the harms visited on the poorest and most fragile in society alongside the developmental damage done to kids by the lockdown, and the continuing lack of accountability of those who promoted and enforced it. I don't think we'll ever get over it. " There were no easy and right choices for those making them (aside from those who very wrongly chose to ignore their own rules) It all comes down to personal perspective.. there are some who lost vulnerable family members who would argue lockdown should have come sooner and stricter. | |||
"Definitely changed my opinion on people (not that I viewed them with rose-tinted glasses to begin with)... there was a very stark contrast between those who wanted to help protect others and those who decided that any mild inconvenience to them was completely and utterly unacceptable. I was thinking the same. But you put it way more politely than I was going to about the ‘deniers’. See I used a polite word for them after all
Basically then you can’t accept the views of people who possibly don’t agree with you.
I can’t accept the ‘view’ of people who make up drivel and blame everyone and everything except themselves. The ‘MSM, Big Pharma, the Government (who frankly couldn’t organise a piss up in brewery let alone orchestrate a conspiracy), the medical establishment’. People that watch a couple’s of YouTube clips from people that claim they know better that the actual scientists. They need to grow up, and stop obsessing being awkward for awkwards sake. Or just to get attention. Any how. There are a few home truths that will piss off the deluded. But hey ho. I won’t be back to read any responses.
And we all know why. Because you can’t tolerate or engage like an intelligent adult when people disagree with you.
When people disagree with scientists, medical experts etc, it’s best to ask for their expertise in the subject.
I’m happy to listen to the sort of folk who claim the vaccine was a ‘death jab’, in the same way that I’m happy to listen to flat earthers or moon landing deniers - but I’d really like to know how they are more knowledgeable on the subject than actual experts in the respective field." | |||
"As a young man whose biggest health related problem was anxiety I have to say it made me value my health way more. I got the thing three times and on the 2nd time it stuck around afterwards for about 6 months or more. I was sweaty, breathless and my taste and smell was made bad. No matter what I did I couldn't bounce back and it made me realise even tho this is temporary its the longest ive dealt with a health issue that physically affected me. It made me realise these people with life long issues must really fucking struggle. I already knew that but being so pathetic that just being tired all the time was really getting to me I thought I couldn't cope like disabled people do etc. So I have been in the gym none stop, I am not a picture of health but I now care about it and never intend to feel that way again." That doesn't sound good - 6 months? Is there a chance it's long covid, have you sought some advice? | |||
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"Only being careful because I caught Covid, and I've still got long Covid. Otherwise maybe I would've been one of the I don't believe it types." I'm sorry that you've got long Covid - is there any help available for you? | |||
"I remember all the people who were supportive of restrictions, lockdowns, passports and the mistreatment of their peers who made differing medical decisions and treat them with the general distrust and disdain they deserve " Riiiight | |||
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"Only being careful because I caught Covid, and I've still got long Covid. Otherwise maybe I would've been one of the I don't believe it types. I'm sorry that you've got long Covid - is there any help available for you?" No not that I know of.I live with it and the ''flare ups'' | |||
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"Its made me think now how media totally manipulates people into their bull sxxx. I dont listen to anything on news any longer, or read any papers. I keep myself to myself more now as too many folk still buy into the brainwashing, and i cant be arsed arguing/debating with them any more." | |||
"Massively yes. For the better in many cases. " Good to hear | |||
"Only being careful because I caught Covid, and I've still got long Covid. Otherwise maybe I would've been one of the I don't believe it types. I'm sorry that you've got long Covid - is there any help available for you? No not that I know of.I live with it and the ''flare ups''" Seems like so many people are living with it | |||
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"Yes, I have even less trust in anyone in authority and I now question everything and doubt most of what I am told by MSM/government/opposition parties." Exactly the same. | |||
"Its made me think now how media totally manipulates people into their bull sxxx. I dont listen to anything on news any longer, or read any papers. I keep myself to myself more now as too many folk still buy into the brainwashing, and i cant be arsed arguing/debating with them any more." It’s very liberating | |||
"Its made me think now how media totally manipulates people into their bull sxxx. I dont listen to anything on news any longer, or read any papers. I keep myself to myself more now as too many folk still buy into the brainwashing, and i cant be arsed arguing/debating with them any more." And yet ..... | |||
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"Fuck that... No change" Didn't do lockdown or any other BS.,all good.. Sorry x | |||
"Yes, no, maybe. It has, but who is to say it was living through covid that changed me. I may have changed the same regardless over the same years. Or changed but in very different ways without the covid situation. I can point to the precise circumstances that covid imposed, I guess, that have changed my life. My sister was in my bubble so we became closer. My son was directly impacted by lockdown. Do you feel your attitudes and feelings were changed over the period you couldn't see friends and family?" No, we al, continued to see each other as we could see coovid for what it was really all about | |||
"Fuck that... No change Didn't do lockdown or any other BS.,all good.. Sorry x" | |||
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"Fuck that... No change" Righto. Perhaps you can see from the thread how other people were impacted though? | |||
"It changed how I worked for a while. I was lucky, my company kept going though. I lost people I love that died with covid. " I'm sorry you lost loved ones | |||
"Living though or living with its doing the rounds again but becomes of immunity ist just like a cold for most. 4 at work to day tested posertive. But yes it has changed the way I live and work. Had a big impact. Should be retired but covid cost me a company so still working." I'm sorry to hear you lost your company - so many businesses went under | |||
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"Just made me more cynical, never had a test so never had the virus,still saw close freinds, had to have the jab because of a house bound parents insistance,knew from past experiences masks dont and have never worked (we were told that in the army )so just became more unsure of fear tactics and propaganda ( another military tactic)" - this. Haven’t had any jabs and fully agree re: military | |||
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"Masks work (maybe not 100% but they work). Don't contact me privately to say different. My personal experience is what matters to me." Can work, depending on what mask, what setting, if worn correctly, if it doesn't leed to other bad habits that negate the possible benefits eg touching your face more often / false sense of security over maintaining social distancing and that's before you even take into account the harms of mask wearing. | |||
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"No, deal with it as you deal with every other issue " Have you read the impact COVID has had on other people? Lost their businesses, mental health declined, loved ones died and long term health issues. That's a lot for anyone to deal with. | |||
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"Yes. It's taught me to never again trust the government. I will never allow them to stop me going about my business. Nobody will ever lock me up in my house. I'm done with all of that. This country and most of the others shut down because of what turned out to be little more than seasonal flu. " Office of National Statistics: "Coronavirus (COVID-19) has been the underlying cause of death in more than FOUR times as many deaths as flu and pneumonia in England and Wales since March 2020. Annually, deaths due to COVID-19 have been higher than those due to flu and pneumonia in any year since 1929." | |||
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"I live alone and the enforced celibacy during lock down made me re-evaluate my sexual preference to be exclusively a Top guy. I perved a lot over gay sex massage porn and decided I would expand my opportunity for enjoyment by taking a bottom roll and taking cock up my arse in addition to giving anal when lockdown ended. I invested in a selection of buttplugs , dildos and anal lube to start training my arse. It did take quite a while but eventually in May I took a cock up my arse for the first time. I have now been fucked by several guys and enjoy it immensely. The ironic thing is that coincidentally owing to new health issues I am no longer able to take a top role so now exclusively bottom. But I would probably not gone down that route without the experience of enforced celibacy during lockdown " I am a little bit nonplussed by your comment, but it was an interesting slant. I hadn't even thought about celibacy and no-one else had mentioned it. | |||
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"Yes. It's taught me to never again trust the government. I will never allow them to stop me going about my business. Nobody will ever lock me up in my house. I'm done with all of that. This country and most of the others shut down because of what turned out to be little more than seasonal flu. " Good for you that you feel that way. However, extremely short-sighted,misguided and also very insensitive to others. Living with a health professional and seeing how they and their colleagues were confused and worried about it, I can happily argue that you really have no clue at all. No doubt that you've convinced yourself otherwise though. At least keep your opinion to yourself and respect that many people lost loved ones to the virus... | |||
"Masks work (maybe not 100% but they work). Don't contact me privately to say different. My personal experience is what matters to me." Exactly, People need to worry about and safeguard themselves. What other people think should no matter and they do not need to tell us. | |||
