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"No and no I wont be having the flu jab. I have never needed to take it "You probably won't be offered it. I'm making the assumption that you are not vulnerable, elderly  or patient facing. | |||
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"What is free with this one? A lolly pop?" A smile. Unless mask wearing returns  | |||
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"What is free with this one? A lolly pop?" you can have a lick of my lollipop xx | |||
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"What is free with this one? A lolly pop? A smile. Unless mask wearing returns "Mask’s didn’t help the first time around so I can’t see masks making a difference this time. | |||
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"What is free with this one? A lolly pop? A smile. Unless mask wearing returns
Mask’s didn’t help the first time around so I can’t see masks making a difference this time. "And to answer the OP. No I’ve never had the covid jab and I won’t start now. Same with the flu jab. I’ll keep taking vitamin C,D and zinc every morning. It’s seen me right so far | |||
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"What is free with this one? A lolly pop? A smile. Unless mask wearing returns
Mask’s didn’t help the first time around so I can’t see masks making a difference this time. "they helped | |||
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"What is free with this one? A lolly pop? A smile. Unless mask wearing returns
Mask’s didn’t help the first time around so I can’t see masks making a difference this time. they helped "They didn’t. | |||
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"What is free with this one? A lolly pop? A smile. Unless mask wearing returns
Mask’s didn’t help the first time around so I can’t see masks making a difference this time. they helped
They didn’t. "Do you cover your mouth when you cough or sneeze???? That's the same reason masks helped. If you can't understand that, there is not much more that can be said. Patient facing throughout covid I can assure you masks helped greatly | |||
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"No and no I wont be having the flu jab. I have never needed to take it
You probably won't be offered it. I'm making the assumption that you are not vulnerable, elderly or patient facing."You are right there, it seems that people are getting more sceptical about it | |||
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"What is free with this one? A lolly pop? A smile. Unless mask wearing returns
Mask’s didn’t help the first time around so I can’t see masks making a difference this time. they helped
They didn’t.
Do you cover your mouth when you cough or sneeze????
That's the same reason masks helped.
If you can't understand that, there is not much more that can be said.
Patient facing throughout covid
I can assure you masks helped greatly"December 2020 most of the population were wearing masks and staying 6feet apart. If the masks worked then why the 6 feet apart? Also were we not seeing roughly 50k new cases a day? Maybe more. Cancelling Christmas to get the numbers down? Tell me again that masks helped. And don’t come back with there would have been more cases if nobody wore masks. You have no proof of that so …… | |||
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"What is free with this one? A lolly pop? A smile. Unless mask wearing returns
Mask’s didn’t help the first time around so I can’t see masks making a difference this time. they helped
They didn’t.
Do you cover your mouth when you cough or sneeze????
That's the same reason masks helped.
If you can't understand that, there is not much more that can be said.
Patient facing throughout covid
I can assure you masks helped greatly
December 2020 most of the population were wearing masks and staying 6feet apart. If the masks worked then why the 6 feet apart? Also were we not seeing roughly 50k new cases a day? Maybe more. Cancelling Christmas to get the numbers down?
Tell me again that masks helped. And don’t come back with there would have been more cases if nobody wore masks. You have no proof of that so ……"How masks work is basic physics,they are however not magic and can only lower spread of respiratory diseases not stop them. The 6 foot rule is the same really. The population was pretty much unvaccinated and most people hadn't caught covid yet then so the population had pretty much no resistance add that to a new more easily spread variant so many people were infected that back then hygiene measures would only have had a tiny effect on the spread. But back then we had nothing else. | |||
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"Third jab had me in a+e" Wow, what happened? | |||
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"What is free with this one? A lolly pop? A smile. Unless mask wearing returns
Mask’s didn’t help the first time around so I can’t see masks making a difference this time. they helped
They didn’t.
Do you cover your mouth when you cough or sneeze????
That's the same reason masks helped.
If you can't understand that, there is not much more that can be said.
Patient facing throughout covid
I can assure you masks helped greatly"Exactly. Of course masks helped . Most people were not vaccinated at that time and it certainly will have helped slow the growth rate in public. Some people are so determined to be right that they cannot accept simple science. | |||
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"What is free with this one? A lolly pop? A smile. Unless mask wearing returns
Mask’s didn’t help the first time around so I can’t see masks making a difference this time. they helped
They didn’t.
Do you cover your mouth when you cough or sneeze????
That's the same reason masks helped.
If you can't understand that, there is not much more that can be said.
Patient facing throughout covid
I can assure you masks helped greatly
December 2020 most of the population were wearing masks and staying 6feet apart. If the masks worked then why the 6 feet apart? Also were we not seeing roughly 50k new cases a day? Maybe more. Cancelling Christmas to get the numbers down?
Tell me again that masks helped. And don’t come back with there would have been more cases if nobody wore masks. You have no proof of that so ……"The evidence is robust that mask use reduced infection levels. Your question of why not just to stick with 1 measure? When little in life is 100% guaranteed, it's madness not to use multiple lines of defense . Especially when not bothering to do so, means that you're going to be causing people to die.
Masks were very cheap and thus were a common sense choice. The government's management of Covid weren't good by a long shot. But having masks used was a no brainier. | |||
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"Same thing, labelled differently !" They're both vaccines but for very different viruses. The simple explanation is: Influenza (flu) and COVID-19 are both contagious respiratory illnesses, but they are caused by different viruses. COVID-19 is caused by infection with a coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2) first identified in 2019. Flu is caused by infection with a flu virus Nita | |||
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"Flu yes, covid booster, no." Quite so. Technically I couldn't have a 'booster' anyway as I steered clear of the dubious and potentially damaging 'covid jabs' (and I have a chronic life threatening lung condition, which I have nearly died of; when I have 'tested positive' for covid I wasn't nearly as ill as with my usual lung infections). | |||
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"If you've already received you no longer need anything as your body is immune it has familiarised itself to detect and build up the immune system so you can continue to enjoy sex mingle with others " Yes... and no. The current varient is sufficiently different that your immune system may not recognise it as the same virus. This is the reason for annual flu jabs as this years version is rarely the same as last year. Nita | |||
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"Flu yes, covid booster, no." The same for me. | |||
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"If you've already received you no longer need anything as your body is immune it has familiarised itself to detect and build up the immune system so you can continue to enjoy sex mingle with others Yes... and no. The current varient is sufficiently different that your immune system may not recognise it as the same virus. This is the reason for annual flu jabs as this years version is rarely the same as last year. Nita" But they're only guessing what maybe the strongest variant of the flu at the time..... keep your own immune system tip top by a eating correctly, herbs provide protection natural resources recommended in all home cooking. Many don't realise the benefits or importance | |||
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"What is free with this one? A lolly pop? A smile. Unless mask wearing returns
Mask’s didn’t help the first time around so I can’t see masks making a difference this time. they helped
They didn’t.
Do you cover your mouth when you cough or sneeze????
That's the same reason masks helped.
If you can't understand that, there is not much more that can be said.
Patient facing throughout covid
I can assure you masks helped greatly
December 2020 most of the population were wearing masks and staying 6feet apart. If the masks worked then why the 6 feet apart? Also were we not seeing roughly 50k new cases a day? Maybe more. Cancelling Christmas to get the numbers down?
Tell me again that masks helped. And don’t come back with there would have been more cases if nobody wore masks. You have no proof of that so ……
How masks work is basic physics,they are however not magic and can only lower spread of respiratory diseases not stop them. The 6 foot rule is the same really. The population was pretty much unvaccinated and most people hadn't caught covid yet then so the population had pretty much no resistance add that to a new more easily spread variant so many people were infected that back then hygiene measures would only have had a tiny effect on the spread. But back then we had nothing else."thanks.. I did try to explain in a simple way. Ie do you cover your mouth and nose when you cough and sneeze. It amazes me that several years later, peoole can still be so clueless. I'm at the hospital tmw, we have been told while it's not compulsory, they now suggest wearing masks. I shall be wearing one till | |||
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"If you've already received you no longer need anything as your body is immune it has familiarised itself to detect and build up the immune system so you can continue to enjoy sex mingle with others Yes... and no. The current varient is sufficiently different that your immune system may not recognise it as the same virus. This is the reason for annual flu jabs as this years version is rarely the same as last year. Nita But they're only guessing what maybe the strongest variant of the flu at the time..... keep your own immune system tip top by a eating correctly, herbs provide protection natural resources recommended in all home cooking. Many don't realise the benefits or importance " Herbs! Don't make me laugh. I took natural remedies for various allergies growing up, they did absolutely fuck all. Three boxes of Citrizine Hydrocloride worked wonders, in three weeks I had a sneeze free summer. | |||
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"What is free with this one? A lolly pop? A smile. Unless mask wearing returns
Mask’s didn’t help the first time around so I can’t see masks making a difference this time. they helped
They didn’t.
Do you cover your mouth when you cough or sneeze????
That's the same reason masks helped.
If you can't understand that, there is not much more that can be said.
Patient facing throughout covid
I can assure you masks helped greatly
December 2020 most of the population were wearing masks and staying 6feet apart. If the masks worked then why the 6 feet apart? Also were we not seeing roughly 50k new cases a day? Maybe more. Cancelling Christmas to get the numbers down?
Tell me again that masks helped. And don’t come back with there would have been more cases if nobody wore masks. You have no proof of that so ……"Have you proof that masks didn’t help? | |||
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"If you've already received you no longer need anything as your body is immune it has familiarised itself to detect and build up the immune system so you can continue to enjoy sex mingle with others Yes... and no. The current varient is sufficiently different that your immune system may not recognise it as the same virus. This is the reason for annual flu jabs as this years version is rarely the same as last year. Nita But they're only guessing what maybe the strongest variant of the flu at the time..... keep your own immune system tip top by a eating correctly, herbs provide protection natural resources recommended in all home cooking. Many don't realise the benefits or importance Herbs! Don't make me laugh. I took natural remedies for various allergies growing up, they did absolutely fuck all. Three boxes of Citrizine Hydrocloride worked wonders, in three weeks I had a sneeze free summer." I don't get the flu if I'm lucky to skip 5 years flu free.... possibly you don't understand why/what so it's not nonsense but educational. There is an encyclopedia on fruit and vegetables, herbs, spices and so on which explains something that you never realised.... it's handy if training | |||
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"If you've already received you no longer need anything as your body is immune it has familiarised itself to detect and build up the immune system so you can continue to enjoy sex mingle with others " The flu vaccines are reviewed and planned for each, predicting which flu strains likely will be dominant and pose the greatest risk. Immunity from these wanes and would be weaker by the subsequent year, even if the same strains were again dominant. It would thus be wise to vaccinate once more. Immunity derived from the Covid vaccines also decreases. It's also a vaccine targeted at virus variants that have differed from the original ones, so are more pertinent today. As the human immune systems get worse as we age, it's especially important for people to prime their immune systems as we get older. Those suffering severe infections whilst we're younger, with minimal issues, could get seriously I'll or die, from relatively smaller infections some years later. We'll never know when, hence the benefits of having vaccines improving our immunity, similar to the best insurance that we can get. | |||
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"What is free with this one? A lolly pop? A smile. Unless mask wearing returns
Mask’s didn’t help the first time around so I can’t see masks making a difference this time.
And to answer the OP. No I’ve never had the covid jab and I won’t start now. Same with the flu jab. I’ll keep taking vitamin C,D and zinc every morning. It’s seen me right so far"Won’t take the jab, it’s big pharma trying to control Us for the government. I WILL however keep taking supplements that I have zero idea if I can absorb or not. -how I read your post | |||
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" Flu yes covid I want to have the same as my 1st 3 jabs 4th one was different didn’t like the reaction." If you have a weak immune system or other health problems then yes it's important to have the flu vaccine.... not everyone needs it | |||
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"We don't know much about it, but we recommend you get vaccinated against something we don't know about..... " It'll pass | |||
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" Flu yes covid I want to have the same as my 1st 3 jabs 4th one was different didn’t like the reaction." The vaccine has been changed. The original ones no longer exist. | |||
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"What is free with this one? A lolly pop? A smile. Unless mask wearing returns
Mask’s didn’t help the first time around so I can’t see masks making a difference this time. they helped
They didn’t.
Do you cover your mouth when you cough or sneeze????
That's the same reason masks helped.
If you can't understand that, there is not much more that can be said.
Patient facing throughout covid
I can assure you masks helped greatly
December 2020 most of the population were wearing masks and staying 6feet apart. If the masks worked then why the 6 feet apart? Also were we not seeing roughly 50k new cases a day? Maybe more. Cancelling Christmas to get the numbers down?
Tell me again that masks helped. And don’t come back with there would have been more cases if nobody wore masks. You have no proof of that so ……
The evidence is robust that mask use reduced infection levels. Your question of why not just to stick with 1 measure? When little in life is 100% guaranteed, it's madness not to use multiple lines of defense . Especially when not bothering to do so, means that you're going to be causing people to die.
Masks were very cheap and thus were a common sense choice. The government's management of Covid weren't good by a long shot. But having masks used was a no brainier. "Robust? Depends on the context. People wearing the correct type of masks and using them correctly and not touching there faces yes its going to offer some protection mainly to others from you. At a population level with mandates the data is simply not rubust and I have seen meta analysis showing little if any benefit for abvious reasons. | |||
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" it certainly will have helped slow the growth rate in public. " You'd hope that was the case but how do you consider it certainly did stop the spread? | |||
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"What is free with this one? A lolly pop? A smile. Unless mask wearing returns
Mask’s didn’t help the first time around so I can’t see masks making a difference this time. "They did. | |||
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"What is free with this one? A lolly pop? A smile. Unless mask wearing returns
Mask’s didn’t help the first time around so I can’t see masks making a difference this time. they helped
They didn’t.
Do you cover your mouth when you cough or sneeze????
That's the same reason masks helped.
If you can't understand that, there is not much more that can be said.
Patient facing throughout covid
I can assure you masks helped greatly"Ditto. And I caught covid from a patient when masks were no longer required. | |||
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"No and no I wont be having the flu jab. I have never needed to take it
You probably won't be offered it. I'm making the assumption that you are not vulnerable, elderly or patient facing.You are right there, it seems that people are getting more sceptical about it "No, the NHS is simply not universally vaccinating. | |||
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"What is free with this one? A lolly pop? A smile. Unless mask wearing returns
Mask’s didn’t help the first time around so I can’t see masks making a difference this time. they helped
They didn’t.
Do you cover your mouth when you cough or sneeze????
That's the same reason masks helped.
If you can't understand that, there is not much more that can be said.
Patient facing throughout covid
I can assure you masks helped greatly
December 2020 most of the population were wearing masks and staying 6feet apart. If the masks worked then why the 6 feet apart? Also were we not seeing roughly 50k new cases a day? Maybe more. Cancelling Christmas to get the numbers down?
Tell me again that masks helped. And don’t come back with there would have been more cases if nobody wore masks. You have no proof of that so ……"Experiential evidence re NHS approved PPE (the lot that got through ) | |||
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"This still a thing? And people are still buying it! " It's free , if you meet the criteria. | |||
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"Same thing, labelled differently !" Oh the ignorant (= lacking knowledge). | |||
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"What is free with this one? A lolly pop? A smile. Unless mask wearing returns
Mask’s didn’t help the first time around so I can’t see masks making a difference this time. they helped
They didn’t.
Do you cover your mouth when you cough or sneeze????
That's the same reason masks helped.
If you can't understand that, there is not much more that can be said.
Patient facing throughout covid
I can assure you masks helped greatly
December 2020 most of the population were wearing masks and staying 6feet apart. If the masks worked then why the 6 feet apart? Also were we not seeing roughly 50k new cases a day? Maybe more. Cancelling Christmas to get the numbers down?
Tell me again that masks helped. And don’t come back with there would have been more cases if nobody wore masks. You have no proof of that so ……
The evidence is robust that mask use reduced infection levels. Your question of why not just to stick with 1 measure? When little in life is 100% guaranteed, it's madness not to use multiple lines of defense . Especially when not bothering to do so, means that you're going to be causing people to die.
Masks were very cheap and thus were a common sense choice. The government's management of Covid weren't good by a long shot. But having masks used was a no brainier. "Mask wearing, the initial twattish govt response (Hancock) due to scarcity of masks, was no need unless patient facing. So I understand people's reluctance to believe in them. | |||
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"If you've already received you no longer need anything as your body is immune it has familiarised itself to detect and build up the immune system so you can continue to enjoy sex mingle with others " Wrong | |||
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"If you've already received you no longer need anything as your body is immune it has familiarised itself to detect and build up the immune system so you can continue to enjoy sex mingle with others Yes... and no. The current varient is sufficiently different that your immune system may not recognise it as the same virus. This is the reason for annual flu jabs as this years version is rarely the same as last year. Nita But they're only guessing what maybe the strongest variant of the flu at the time..... keep your own immune system tip top by a eating correctly, herbs provide protection natural resources recommended in all home cooking. Many don't realise the benefits or importance " Good nutrition, hydration, exercise and all-round good health (IE not vulnerable, old, patient facing), correct and you won't be offered it anyway. | |||
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"We don't know much about it, but we recommend you get vaccinated against something we don't know about..... " Very poorly worded text, I agree. But then so were some of the succinct lectern board messages at point of lockdown. | |||
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" Flu yes covid I want to have the same as my 1st 3 jabs 4th one was different didn’t like the reaction. The vaccine has been changed. The original ones no longer exist. " You may have to elaborate as your two posts appear contradictory. | |||
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"What is free with this one? A lolly pop? A smile. Unless mask wearing returns
Mask’s didn’t help the first time around so I can’t see masks making a difference this time. they helped
They didn’t.
Do you cover your mouth when you cough or sneeze????
That's the same reason masks helped.
If you can't understand that, there is not much more that can be said.
Patient facing throughout covid
I can assure you masks helped greatly
December 2020 most of the population were wearing masks and staying 6feet apart. If the masks worked then why the 6 feet apart? Also were we not seeing roughly 50k new cases a day? Maybe more. Cancelling Christmas to get the numbers down?
Tell me again that masks helped. And don’t come back with there would have been more cases if nobody wore masks. You have no proof of that so ……
The evidence is robust that mask use reduced infection levels. Your question of why not just to stick with 1 measure? When little in life is 100% guaranteed, it's madness not to use multiple lines of defense . Especially when not bothering to do so, means that you're going to be causing people to die.
Masks were very cheap and thus were a common sense choice. The government's management of Covid weren't good by a long shot. But having masks used was a no brainier.
Robust? Depends on the context. People wearing the correct type of masks and using them correctly and not touching there faces yes its going to offer some protection mainly to others from you.
At a population level with mandates the data is simply not rubust and I have seen meta analysis showing little if any benefit for abvious reasons."I've read meta analyses confirming the opposite | |||
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"What is free with this one? A lolly pop? A smile. Unless mask wearing returns
Mask’s didn’t help the first time around so I can’t see masks making a difference this time. they helped
They didn’t.
Do you cover your mouth when you cough or sneeze????
That's the same reason masks helped.
If you can't understand that, there is not much more that can be said.
Patient facing throughout covid
I can assure you masks helped greatly
December 2020 most of the population were wearing masks and staying 6feet apart. If the masks worked then why the 6 feet apart? Also were we not seeing roughly 50k new cases a day? Maybe more. Cancelling Christmas to get the numbers down?
Tell me again that masks helped. And don’t come back with there would have been more cases if nobody wore masks. You have no proof of that so ……
The evidence is robust that mask use reduced infection levels. Your question of why not just to stick with 1 measure? When little in life is 100% guaranteed, it's madness not to use multiple lines of defense . Especially when not bothering to do so, means that you're going to be causing people to die.
Masks were very cheap and thus were a common sense choice. The government's management of Covid weren't good by a long shot. But having masks used was a no brainier.
Robust? Depends on the context. People wearing the correct type of masks and using them correctly and not touching there faces yes its going to offer some protection mainly to others from you.
At a population level with mandates the data is simply not rubust and I have seen meta analysis showing little if any benefit for abvious reasons.
I've read meta analyses confirming the opposite"That's some rate of correcting the ignorant! How many posts it about 15 mins?!?  | |||
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"This still a thing? And people are still buying it! " Yep, still plenty of brainwashed sheep around | |||
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"What is free with this one? A lolly pop? A smile. Unless mask wearing returns
Mask’s didn’t help the first time around so I can’t see masks making a difference this time. they helped
They didn’t.
Do you cover your mouth when you cough or sneeze????
That's the same reason masks helped.
If you can't understand that, there is not much more that can be said.
Patient facing throughout covid
I can assure you masks helped greatly
December 2020 most of the population were wearing masks and staying 6feet apart. If the masks worked then why the 6 feet apart? Also were we not seeing roughly 50k new cases a day? Maybe more. Cancelling Christmas to get the numbers down?
Tell me again that masks helped. And don’t come back with there would have been more cases if nobody wore masks. You have no proof of that so ……
The evidence is robust that mask use reduced infection levels. Your question of why not just to stick with 1 measure? When little in life is 100% guaranteed, it's madness not to use multiple lines of defense . Especially when not bothering to do so, means that you're going to be causing people to die.
Masks were very cheap and thus were a common sense choice. The government's management of Covid weren't good by a long shot. But having masks used was a no brainier.
Robust? Depends on the context. People wearing the correct type of masks and using them correctly and not touching there faces yes its going to offer some protection mainly to others from you.
At a population level with mandates the data is simply not rubust and I have seen meta analysis showing little if any benefit for abvious reasons.
I've read meta analyses confirming the opposite
That's some rate of correcting the ignorant! How many posts it about 15 mins?!? "I do have that responsibility  | |||
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" Flu yes covid I want to have the same as my 1st 3 jabs 4th one was different didn’t like the reaction. The vaccine has been changed. The original ones no longer exist. You may have to elaborate as your two posts appear contradictory." The new vaccines are an updated version. They contain the original + omicron. The person I replied to said she wanted the same one as her first 3 but that is no longer available as they all have been updated and extra varients (omicron) added in. | |||
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"What is free with this one? A lolly pop? A smile. Unless mask wearing returns
Mask’s didn’t help the first time around so I can’t see masks making a difference this time. they helped
They didn’t.
Do you cover your mouth when you cough or sneeze????
That's the same reason masks helped.
If you can't understand that, there is not much more that can be said.
Patient facing throughout covid
I can assure you masks helped greatly
December 2020 most of the population were wearing masks and staying 6feet apart. If the masks worked then why the 6 feet apart? Also were we not seeing roughly 50k new cases a day? Maybe more. Cancelling Christmas to get the numbers down?
Tell me again that masks helped. And don’t come back with there would have been more cases if nobody wore masks. You have no proof of that so ……
The evidence is robust that mask use reduced infection levels. Your question of why not just to stick with 1 measure? When little in life is 100% guaranteed, it's madness not to use multiple lines of defense . Especially when not bothering to do so, means that you're going to be causing people to die.
Masks were very cheap and thus were a common sense choice. The government's management of Covid weren't good by a long shot. But having masks used was a no brainier.
Robust? Depends on the context. People wearing the correct type of masks and using them correctly and not touching there faces yes its going to offer some protection mainly to others from you.
At a population level with mandates the data is simply not rubust and I have seen meta analysis showing little if any benefit for abvious reasons.
I've read meta analyses confirming the opposite"Did you read the cochrane review? | |||
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"If you've already received you no longer need anything as your body is immune it has familiarised itself to detect and build up the immune system so you can continue to enjoy sex mingle with others Wrong" common knowledge the body keeps learning to find ways to fight off bacterial infections. It's in the DNA.... | |||
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"No and no I wont be having the flu jab. I have never needed to take it "Many of us have other health issues like asthma in my case so consider yourself lucky. | |||
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"No and no I wont be having the flu jab. I have never needed to take it
Many of us have other health issues like asthma in my case so consider yourself lucky. "But whose duty is it in circumstances like this to avoid, to protect themselves, them or others | |||
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" Will not be masking or social distancing either" Social distancing should be the norm in daily life, regardless of Covid. When did people stop respecting personal space?
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" Flu yes covid I want to have the same as my 1st 3 jabs 4th one was different didn’t like the reaction. The vaccine has been changed. The original ones no longer exist. You may have to elaborate as your two posts appear contradictory. The new vaccines are an updated version. They contain the original + omicron. The person I replied to said she wanted the same one as her first 3 but that is no longer available as they all have been updated and extra varients (omicron) added in. " I thought the spring booster was up to date with Omicron, no? | |||
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"No vaccines for us. Didn’t have them the first time round and certainly won’t be having them now. Will not be masking or social distancing either" Good for you! So many sheep out there | |||
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"No vaccines for us. Didn’t have them the first time round and certainly won’t be having them now. Will not be masking or social distancing either Good for you! So many sheep out there " I despair | |||
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"What is free with this one? A lolly pop? A smile. Unless mask wearing returns
Mask’s didn’t help the first time around so I can’t see masks making a difference this time. they helped
They didn’t.
Do you cover your mouth when you cough or sneeze????
That's the same reason masks helped.
If you can't understand that, there is not much more that can be said.
Patient facing throughout covid
I can assure you masks helped greatly
December 2020 most of the population were wearing masks and staying 6feet apart. If the masks worked then why the 6 feet apart? Also were we not seeing roughly 50k new cases a day? Maybe more. Cancelling Christmas to get the numbers down?
Tell me again that masks helped. And don’t come back with there would have been more cases if nobody wore masks. You have no proof of that so ……
The evidence is robust that mask use reduced infection levels. Your question of why not just to stick with 1 measure? When little in life is 100% guaranteed, it's madness not to use multiple lines of defense . Especially when not bothering to do so, means that you're going to be causing people to die.
Masks were very cheap and thus were a common sense choice. The government's management of Covid weren't good by a long shot. But having masks used was a no brainier.
Robust? Depends on the context. People wearing the correct type of masks and using them correctly and not touching there faces yes its going to offer some protection mainly to others from you.
At a population level with mandates the data is simply not rubust and I have seen meta analysis showing little if any benefit for abvious reasons.
I've read meta analyses confirming the opposite
Did you read the cochrane review?"You asking as if there is only one. | |||
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"If you've already received you no longer need anything as your body is immune it has familiarised itself to detect and build up the immune system so you can continue to enjoy sex mingle with others Wrong common knowledge the body keeps learning to find ways to fight off bacterial infections. It's in the DNA...."Psssst it's a virus, clue is in the name Corona virus. 1. Covid vaccines do not provide immunity, they provide the immune system a leg up to recognise the antigens and send in the big guns the anti-bodies which eventually wane. However, they still have WBC that have produced memory and killer cells. 2. The virus works in the same way but takes longer to produce the appropriate WBC. 3. If you're younger than 65, and in good health you will be expected not to need the jabs. 4 Patient facing staff will be offered the jabs in a bid to protect the vulnerable, but it's choice. | |||
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"Yea me and my partner havnt had any and won't be taking any. people around us have had issues. Two guys I know One person lost use of his body waist down and other one one lost his leg due to clots. But safe and affective. Don't trust then. Alot more so now. " I might be wrong but isn't the clot risk why astra zeneca was withdrawn from NHS? | |||
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"Interesting that views on the jab have changed quite a bit since it first came out , and after all it's personal choice , seems to be more people not wanting it than back at the height of the pandemic " Not needed as most people have been exposed to it. And current strains have mutated to milder forms (as is usual in the case of viruses). | |||
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"If you've already received you no longer need anything as your body is immune it has familiarised itself to detect and build up the immune system so you can continue to enjoy sex mingle with others Yes... and no. The current varient is sufficiently different that your immune system may not recognise it as the same virus. This is the reason for annual flu jabs as this years version is rarely the same as last year. Nita But they're only guessing what maybe the strongest variant of the flu at the time..... keep your own immune system tip top by a eating correctly, herbs provide protection natural resources recommended in all home cooking. Many don't realise the benefits or importance " Agree to a point, but why was life expectancy so much lower pre any vaccine and when all food was organic and we got all out vitamins minerals and amino acids from it plus our macro nutrients. | |||
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"I have booked my flu jab,always have it as I have asthma . I won't be having any more covid jabs (had initial course and booster ),I've had covid 3 times now and was really poorly with the last bout." Does this mean you won't be having anymore flu shots once the old tried and tested flu vaccine method is replaced with the new mrna flu shots which are being developed right now? | |||
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"Yea me and my partner havnt had any and won't be taking any. people around us have had issues. Two guys I know One person lost use of his body waist down and other one one lost his leg due to clots. But safe and affective. Don't trust then. Alot more so now. I might be wrong but isn't the clot risk why astra zeneca was withdrawn from NHS?" it eas.. even though the risk was less than with the contraceptive pill | |||
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" Will not be masking or social distancing either Social distancing should be the norm in daily life, regardless of Covid. When did people stop respecting personal space?
Except for concerts, crowds, and a few notable personal applications, you don’t need to be closer than 6ft to anyone "This couldn't be more true. I had a lot of issues with lockdown measures and wearing a mask but absolutely loved the social distancing. I was over the moon that others were giving me the space I try and give others daily | |||
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"Yea me and my partner havnt had any and won't be taking any. people around us have had issues. Two guys I know One person lost use of his body waist down and other one one lost his leg due to clots. But safe and affective. Don't trust then. Alot more so now. I might be wrong but isn't the clot risk why astra zeneca was withdrawn from NHS? it eas.. even though the risk was less than with the contraceptive pill " People talk about that like its nothing however. How small of a risk doesn't matter of you are the one who's life is ruined. Yet when you flip it and say your chances of a negative outcome from covid if you are fit, healthy with no health issues is almost zero, it's shot down as being insensitive to those who've died. If one applies so does the other in my eyes. That being said, I had AZ with first jabs and likely would have got my 3rd if they weren't forcing Pfizer on me. I know 3 people total who had issues with jabs and all of them had 2x az then pfizer booster and it was on the booster that they developed health concerns. So I declined. | |||
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"Yea me and my partner havnt had any and won't be taking any. people around us have had issues. Two guys I know One person lost use of his body waist down and other one one lost his leg due to clots. But safe and affective. Don't trust then. Alot more so now. I might be wrong but isn't the clot risk why astra zeneca was withdrawn from NHS? it eas.. even though the risk was less than with the contraceptive pill People talk about that like its nothing however. How small of a risk doesn't matter of you are the one who's life is ruined. Yet when you flip it and say your chances of a negative outcome from covid if you are fit, healthy with no health issues is almost zero, it's shot down as being insensitive to those who've died. If one applies so does the other in my eyes. That being said, I had AZ with first jabs and likely would have got my 3rd if they weren't forcing Pfizer on me. I know 3 people total who had issues with jabs and all of them had 2x az then pfizer booster and it was on the booster that they developed health concerns. So I declined." I had the two AZ, no probs. Pfizer booster - went to A&E as vision was affected and dangerous to drive. | |||
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"What is free with this one? A lolly pop? A smile. Unless mask wearing returns
Mask’s didn’t help the first time around so I can’t see masks making a difference this time. they helped
They didn’t.
Do you cover your mouth when you cough or sneeze????
That's the same reason masks helped.
If you can't understand that, there is not much more that can be said.
Patient facing throughout covid
I can assure you masks helped greatly
December 2020 most of the population were wearing masks and staying 6feet apart. If the masks worked then why the 6 feet apart? Also were we not seeing roughly 50k new cases a day? Maybe more. Cancelling Christmas to get the numbers down?
Tell me again that masks helped. And don’t come back with there would have been more cases if nobody wore masks. You have no proof of that so ……
The evidence is robust that mask use reduced infection levels. Your question of why not just to stick with 1 measure? When little in life is 100% guaranteed, it's madness not to use multiple lines of defense . Especially when not bothering to do so, means that you're going to be causing people to die.
Masks were very cheap and thus were a common sense choice. The government's management of Covid weren't good by a long shot. But having masks used was a no brainier.
Robust? Depends on the context. People wearing the correct type of masks and using them correctly and not touching there faces yes its going to offer some protection mainly to others from you.
At a population level with mandates the data is simply not rubust and I have seen meta analysis showing little if any benefit for abvious reasons.
I've read meta analyses confirming the opposite
Did you read the cochrane review?
You asking as if there is only one."In the context of this conversation, it's pretty obvious I am referring to the recent cochrane meta analysis on physical measures such as hand washing and mask wearing... | |||
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"What is free with this one? A lolly pop? A smile. Unless mask wearing returns
Mask’s didn’t help the first time around so I can’t see masks making a difference this time. they helped
They didn’t.
Do you cover your mouth when you cough or sneeze????
That's the same reason masks helped.
If you can't understand that, there is not much more that can be said.
Patient facing throughout covid
I can assure you masks helped greatly
December 2020 most of the population were wearing masks and staying 6feet apart. If the masks worked then why the 6 feet apart? Also were we not seeing roughly 50k new cases a day? Maybe more. Cancelling Christmas to get the numbers down?
Tell me again that masks helped. And don’t come back with there would have been more cases if nobody wore masks. You have no proof of that so ……
The evidence is robust that mask use reduced infection levels. Your question of why not just to stick with 1 measure? When little in life is 100% guaranteed, it's madness not to use multiple lines of defense . Especially when not bothering to do so, means that you're going to be causing people to die.
Masks were very cheap and thus were a common sense choice. The government's management of Covid weren't good by a long shot. But having masks used was a no brainier.
Robust? Depends on the context. People wearing the correct type of masks and using them correctly and not touching there faces yes its going to offer some protection mainly to others from you.
At a population level with mandates the data is simply not rubust and I have seen meta analysis showing little if any benefit for abvious reasons.
I've read meta analyses confirming the opposite
Did you read the cochrane review?
You asking as if there is only one.
In the context of this conversation, it's pretty obvious I am referring to the recent cochrane meta analysis on physical measures such as hand washing and mask wearing..."Actually it's not obvious it's the most recent one. I haved read "a" meta analysis, I have read through the Cochrane database, but cannot recall published date. | |||
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"What is free with this one? A lolly pop? A smile. Unless mask wearing returns
Mask’s didn’t help the first time around so I can’t see masks making a difference this time. they helped
They didn’t.
Do you cover your mouth when you cough or sneeze????
That's the same reason masks helped.
If you can't understand that, there is not much more that can be said.
Patient facing throughout covid
I can assure you masks helped greatly
December 2020 most of the population were wearing masks and staying 6feet apart. If the masks worked then why the 6 feet apart? Also were we not seeing roughly 50k new cases a day? Maybe more. Cancelling Christmas to get the numbers down?
Tell me again that masks helped. And don’t come back with there would have been more cases if nobody wore masks. You have no proof of that so ……
The evidence is robust that mask use reduced infection levels. Your question of why not just to stick with 1 measure? When little in life is 100% guaranteed, it's madness not to use multiple lines of defense . Especially when not bothering to do so, means that you're going to be causing people to die.
Masks were very cheap and thus were a common sense choice. The government's management of Covid weren't good by a long shot. But having masks used was a no brainier.
Robust? Depends on the context. People wearing the correct type of masks and using them correctly and not touching there faces yes its going to offer some protection mainly to others from you.
At a population level with mandates the data is simply not rubust and I have seen meta analysis showing little if any benefit for abvious reasons.
I've read meta analyses confirming the opposite
Did you read the cochrane review?
You asking as if there is only one.
In the context of this conversation, it's pretty obvious I am referring to the recent cochrane meta analysis on physical measures such as hand washing and mask wearing...
Actually it's not obvious it's the most recent one.
I haved read "a" meta analysis, I have read through the Cochrane database, but cannot recall published date.
"https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD006207.pub6/full 78 RCTs in total "Medical/surgical masks compared to no masks We included 12 trials (10 cluster-RCTs) comparing medical/surgical masks versus no masks to prevent the spread of viral respiratory illness (two trials with healthcare workers and 10 in the community). Wearing masks in the community probably makes little or no difference to the outcome of influenza-like illness (ILI)/COVID-19 like illness compared to not wearing masks (risk ratio (RR) 0.95, 95% confidence interval (CI) 0.84 to 1.09; 9 trials, 276,917 participants; moderate-certainty evidence. Wearing masks in the community probably makes little or no difference to the outcome of laboratory-confirmed influenza/SARS-CoV-2 compared to not wearing masks (RR 1.01, 95% CI 0.72 to 1.42; 6 trials, 13,919 participants; moderate-certainty evidence). Harms were rarely measured and poorly reported (very low-certainty evidence)." | |||
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"Text just now . . . Dear Mr *****, There is a new variant of Covid-19 that has been detected in the UK. Not much is known about this new variant, therefore for the safety of all, the guidance is to co-administer Covid jab along with the flu jab for eligible patients. On the day when you attend for your flu jab you may be asked a few questions and if you are eligible and wish to have the Covid Jab, this will be given along with your flu vaccination. ****** Primary Care "Never ,ever done a covid test ,so no idea if I've ever had it .I will have my annual flu jab ,as I always did before covid ,but I ain't being conned into anymore covid jabs. | |||
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"What is free with this one? A lolly pop? A smile. Unless mask wearing returns
Mask’s didn’t help the first time around so I can’t see masks making a difference this time. they helped
They didn’t.
Do you cover your mouth when you cough or sneeze????
That's the same reason masks helped.
If you can't understand that, there is not much more that can be said.
Patient facing throughout covid
I can assure you masks helped greatly
December 2020 most of the population were wearing masks and staying 6feet apart. If the masks worked then why the 6 feet apart? Also were we not seeing roughly 50k new cases a day? Maybe more. Cancelling Christmas to get the numbers down?
Tell me again that masks helped. And don’t come back with there would have been more cases if nobody wore masks. You have no proof of that so ……
The evidence is robust that mask use reduced infection levels. Your question of why not just to stick with 1 measure? When little in life is 100% guaranteed, it's madness not to use multiple lines of defense . Especially when not bothering to do so, means that you're going to be causing people to die.
Masks were very cheap and thus were a common sense choice. The government's management of Covid weren't good by a long shot. But having masks used was a no brainier.
Robust? Depends on the context. People wearing the correct type of masks and using them correctly and not touching there faces yes its going to offer some protection mainly to others from you.
At a population level with mandates the data is simply not rubust and I have seen meta analysis showing little if any benefit for abvious reasons.
I've read meta analyses confirming the opposite
Did you read the cochrane review?
You asking as if there is only one.
In the context of this conversation, it's pretty obvious I am referring to the recent cochrane meta analysis on physical measures such as hand washing and mask wearing...
Actually it's not obvious it's the most recent one.
I haved read "a" meta analysis, I have read through the Cochrane database, but cannot recall published date.
https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD006207.pub6/full
78 RCTs in total
"Medical/surgical masks compared to no masks
We included 12 trials (10 cluster-RCTs) comparing medical/surgical masks versus no masks to prevent the spread of viral respiratory illness (two trials with healthcare workers and 10 in the community). Wearing masks in the community probably makes little or no difference to the outcome of influenza-like illness (ILI)/COVID-19 like illness compared to not wearing masks (risk ratio (RR) 0.95, 95% confidence interval (CI) 0.84 to 1.09; 9 trials, 276,917 participants; moderate-certainty evidence. Wearing masks in the community probably makes little or no difference to the outcome of laboratory-confirmed influenza/SARS-CoV-2 compared to not wearing masks (RR 1.01, 95% CI 0.72 to 1.42; 6 trials, 13,919 participants; moderate-certainty evidence). Harms were rarely measured and poorly reported (very low-certainty evidence)."
"Authors' conclusions The high risk of bias in the trials, variation in outcome measurement, and relatively low adherence with the interventions during the studies hampers drawing firm conclusions. There were additional RCTs during the pandemic related to physical interventions but a relative paucity given the importance of the question of masking and its relative effectiveness and the concomitant measures of mask adherence which would be highly relevant to the measurement of effectiveness, especially in the elderly and in young children. There is uncertainty about the effects of face masks. The low to moderate certainty of evidence means our confidence in the effect estimate is limited, and that the true effect may be different from the observed estimate of the effect. The pooled results of RCTs did not show a clear reduction in respiratory viral infection with the use of medical/surgical masks. There were no clear differences between the use of medical/surgical masks compared with N95/P2 respirators in healthcare workers when used in routine care to reduce respiratory viral infection. Hand hygiene is likely to modestly reduce the burden of respiratory illness, and although this effect was also present when ILI and laboratory-confirmed influenza were analysed separately, it was not found to be a significant difference for the latter two outcomes. Harms associated with physical interventions were under-investigated. There is a need for large, well-designed RCTs addressing the effectiveness of many of these interventions in multiple settings and populations, as well as the impact of adherence on effectiveness, especially in those most at risk of ARIs. | |||
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"Not a snowflake in hells chance. Never had so many chest infections and general illness as since having the first lot ." So you blame the vaccine? How about blaming the fact that due to lockdowns , social distancing etc, your immune system hadn't been exposed to much so you are quite vulnerable to experiencing illness as the world returned to normal. | |||
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"Never had any of the covid jab, and I’m still alive ! " Thanks for that anecdotal evidence... | |||
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"What is free with this one? A lolly pop? A smile. Unless mask wearing returns
Mask’s didn’t help the first time around so I can’t see masks making a difference this time. they helped
They didn’t.
Do you cover your mouth when you cough or sneeze????
That's the same reason masks helped.
If you can't understand that, there is not much more that can be said.
Patient facing throughout covid
I can assure you masks helped greatly
December 2020 most of the population were wearing masks and staying 6feet apart. If the masks worked then why the 6 feet apart? Also were we not seeing roughly 50k new cases a day? Maybe more. Cancelling Christmas to get the numbers down?
Tell me again that masks helped. And don’t come back with there would have been more cases if nobody wore masks. You have no proof of that so ……
The evidence is robust that mask use reduced infection levels. Your question of why not just to stick with 1 measure? When little in life is 100% guaranteed, it's madness not to use multiple lines of defense . Especially when not bothering to do so, means that you're going to be causing people to die.
Masks were very cheap and thus were a common sense choice. The government's management of Covid weren't good by a long shot. But having masks used was a no brainier.
Robust? Depends on the context. People wearing the correct type of masks and using them correctly and not touching there faces yes its going to offer some protection mainly to others from you.
At a population level with mandates the data is simply not rubust and I have seen meta analysis showing little if any benefit for abvious reasons.
I've read meta analyses confirming the opposite
Did you read the cochrane review?
You asking as if there is only one.
In the context of this conversation, it's pretty obvious I am referring to the recent cochrane meta analysis on physical measures such as hand washing and mask wearing...
Actually it's not obvious it's the most recent one.
I haved read "a" meta analysis, I have read through the Cochrane database, but cannot recall published date.
https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD006207.pub6/full
78 RCTs in total
"Medical/surgical masks compared to no masks
We included 12 trials (10 cluster-RCTs) comparing medical/surgical masks versus no masks to prevent the spread of viral respiratory illness (two trials with healthcare workers and 10 in the community). Wearing masks in the community probably makes little or no difference to the outcome of influenza-like illness (ILI)/COVID-19 like illness compared to not wearing masks (risk ratio (RR) 0.95, 95% confidence interval (CI) 0.84 to 1.09; 9 trials, 276,917 participants; moderate-certainty evidence. Wearing masks in the community probably makes little or no difference to the outcome of laboratory-confirmed influenza/SARS-CoV-2 compared to not wearing masks (RR 1.01, 95% CI 0.72 to 1.42; 6 trials, 13,919 participants; moderate-certainty evidence). Harms were rarely measured and poorly reported (very low-certainty evidence)."
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"A lot of people unlike you are not alive anymore I will definitely be having it ,god bless the nhs" I am old & have some health issues , I will have both jabs when available | |||
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"What is free with this one? A lolly pop? A smile. Unless mask wearing returns
Mask’s didn’t help the first time around so I can’t see masks making a difference this time. they helped
They didn’t.
Do you cover your mouth when you cough or sneeze????
That's the same reason masks helped.
If you can't understand that, there is not much more that can be said.
Patient facing throughout covid
I can assure you masks helped greatly
December 2020 most of the population were wearing masks and staying 6feet apart. If the masks worked then why the 6 feet apart? Also were we not seeing roughly 50k new cases a day? Maybe more. Cancelling Christmas to get the numbers down?
Tell me again that masks helped. And don’t come back with there would have been more cases if nobody wore masks. You have no proof of that so ……
The evidence is robust that mask use reduced infection levels. Your question of why not just to stick with 1 measure? When little in life is 100% guaranteed, it's madness not to use multiple lines of defense . Especially when not bothering to do so, means that you're going to be causing people to die.
Masks were very cheap and thus were a common sense choice. The government's management of Covid weren't good by a long shot. But having masks used was a no brainier.
Robust? Depends on the context. People wearing the correct type of masks and using them correctly and not touching there faces yes its going to offer some protection mainly to others from you.
At a population level with mandates the data is simply not rubust and I have seen meta analysis showing little if any benefit for abvious reasons.
I've read meta analyses confirming the opposite
Did you read the cochrane review?
You asking as if there is only one.
In the context of this conversation, it's pretty obvious I am referring to the recent cochrane meta analysis on physical measures such as hand washing and mask wearing...
Actually it's not obvious it's the most recent one.
I haved read "a" meta analysis, I have read through the Cochrane database, but cannot recall published date.
https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD006207.pub6/full
78 RCTs in total
"Medical/surgical masks compared to no masks
We included 12 trials (10 cluster-RCTs) comparing medical/surgical masks versus no masks to prevent the spread of viral respiratory illness (two trials with healthcare workers and 10 in the community). Wearing masks in the community probably makes little or no difference to the outcome of influenza-like illness (ILI)/COVID-19 like illness compared to not wearing masks (risk ratio (RR) 0.95, 95% confidence interval (CI) 0.84 to 1.09; 9 trials, 276,917 participants; moderate-certainty evidence. Wearing masks in the community probably makes little or no difference to the outcome of laboratory-confirmed influenza/SARS-CoV-2 compared to not wearing masks (RR 1.01, 95% CI 0.72 to 1.42; 6 trials, 13,919 participants; moderate-certainty evidence). Harms were rarely measured and poorly reported (very low-certainty evidence)."
Blah blah blah...
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"A lot of people unlike you are not alive anymore I will definitely be having it ,god bless the nhs" There's also 99% more of those same people who had it and survived. With and without vaccines. Why does everyone focus on the negative? | |||
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"Never had any of the covid jab, and I’m still alive ! Thanks for that anecdotal evidence..." Yet two posts above this you have a hypothetical scenario about someone's immune system being weakened because they haven't been ill 
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"Never had any of the covid jab, and I’m still alive ! Thanks for that anecdotal evidence...Yet two posts above this you have a hypothetical scenario about someone's immune system being weakened because they haven't been ill
Anecdotal beats fantasy."Not fantasy, just poorly put because they don't understand about non-exposure and virus mutations. The immune system is not weakened, it simply hasn't been "strengthened" (gained up-to-date antibodies/memory WBC) that contracting the transient viruses bring. If a person then catches the virus, say 10 mutations down the line, it may be too far removed for the memory cells to recognise it so the immune system has to start from scratch. This means the infection takes longer to clear up. | |||
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"Never had any of the covid jab, and I’m still alive ! Thanks for that anecdotal evidence...Yet two posts above this you have a hypothetical scenario about someone's immune system being weakened because they haven't been ill
Anecdotal beats fantasy.
Not fantasy, just poorly put because they don't understand about non-exposure and virus mutations. The immune system is not weakened, it simply hasn't been "strengthened" (gained up-to-date antibodies/memory WBC) that contracting the transient viruses bring. If a person then catches the virus, say 10 mutations down the line, it may be too far removed for the memory cells to recognise it so the immune system has to start from scratch. This means the infection takes longer to clear up."It's fantasy in the sense that he has zero idea what said poster has and has not been exposed to during lockdown. There's no guarantee that lockdown effected his immune system at all. | |||
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" Flu yes covid I want to have the same as my 1st 3 jabs 4th one was different didn’t like the reaction. If you have a weak immune system or other health problems then yes it's important to have the flu vaccine.... not everyone needs it " I know,I take it due to my line of work / health | |||
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"Never had any of the covid jab, and I’m still alive ! Thanks for that anecdotal evidence...Yet two posts above this you have a hypothetical scenario about someone's immune system being weakened because they haven't been ill
Anecdotal beats fantasy.
Not fantasy, just poorly put because they don't understand about non-exposure and virus mutations. The immune system is not weakened, it simply hasn't been "strengthened" (gained up-to-date antibodies/memory WBC) that contracting the transient viruses bring. If a person then catches the virus, say 10 mutations down the line, it may be too far removed for the memory cells to recognise it so the immune system has to start from scratch. This means the infection takes longer to clear up.It's fantasy in the sense that he has zero idea what said poster has and has not been exposed to during lockdown. There's no guarantee that lockdown effected his immune system at all."Lockdown effected everyone's immune system one way or another. Ridiculous to say it might not have done. | |||
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"Never had any of the covid jab, and I’m still alive ! Thanks for that anecdotal evidence...Yet two posts above this you have a hypothetical scenario about someone's immune system being weakened because they haven't been ill
Anecdotal beats fantasy.
Not fantasy, just poorly put because they don't understand about non-exposure and virus mutations. The immune system is not weakened, it simply hasn't been "strengthened" (gained up-to-date antibodies/memory WBC) that contracting the transient viruses bring. If a person then catches the virus, say 10 mutations down the line, it may be too far removed for the memory cells to recognise it so the immune system has to start from scratch. This means the infection takes longer to clear up."It wasn't poorly put because I didn't use the word weaken. In fact, he who used weak was the accuser! | |||
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" Flu yes covid I want to have the same as my 1st 3 jabs 4th one was different didn’t like the reaction. The vaccine has been changed. The original ones no longer exist. You may have to elaborate as your two posts appear contradictory. The new vaccines are an updated version. They contain the original + omicron. The person I replied to said she wanted the same one as her first 3 but that is no longer available as they all have been updated and extra varients (omicron) added in. " Thanks for responding and reminding me it will be different. Which I should no as had flu jab for twenty years + So I will be taking both if offered. Thanks again  | |||
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"Never had any of the covid jab, and I’m still alive ! Thanks for that anecdotal evidence...Yet two posts above this you have a hypothetical scenario about someone's immune system being weakened because they haven't been ill
Anecdotal beats fantasy.
Not fantasy, just poorly put because they don't understand about non-exposure and virus mutations. The immune system is not weakened, it simply hasn't been "strengthened" (gained up-to-date antibodies/memory WBC) that contracting the transient viruses bring. If a person then catches the virus, say 10 mutations down the line, it may be too far removed for the memory cells to recognise it so the immune system has to start from scratch. This means the infection takes longer to clear up.
It wasn't poorly put because I didn't use the word weaken. In fact, he who used weak was the accuser!"I stand corrected, apologies for assuming that poster's interpretation was correct. | |||
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"What is free with this one? A lolly pop? A smile. Unless mask wearing returns
Mask’s didn’t help the first time around so I can’t see masks making a difference this time. they helped
They didn’t.
Do you cover your mouth when you cough or sneeze????
That's the same reason masks helped.
If you can't understand that, there is not much more that can be said.
Patient facing throughout covid
I can assure you masks helped greatly
Exactly.
Of course masks helped .
Most people were not vaccinated at that time and it certainly will have helped slow the growth rate in public.
Some people are so determined to be right that they cannot accept simple science.
"Don't even need science. Masks at that time were just common bloody sense! | |||
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"What is free with this one? A lolly pop? A smile. Unless mask wearing returns
Mask’s didn’t help the first time around so I can’t see masks making a difference this time. they helped
They didn’t.
Do you cover your mouth when you cough or sneeze????
That's the same reason masks helped.
If you can't understand that, there is not much more that can be said.
Patient facing throughout covid
I can assure you masks helped greatly
December 2020 most of the population were wearing masks and staying 6feet apart. If the masks worked then why the 6 feet apart? Also were we not seeing roughly 50k new cases a day? Maybe more. Cancelling Christmas to get the numbers down?
Tell me again that masks helped. And don’t come back with there would have been more cases if nobody wore masks. You have no proof of that so ……
The evidence is robust that mask use reduced infection levels. Your question of why not just to stick with 1 measure? When little in life is 100% guaranteed, it's madness not to use multiple lines of defense . Especially when not bothering to do so, means that you're going to be causing people to die.
Masks were very cheap and thus were a common sense choice. The government's management of Covid weren't good by a long shot. But having masks used was a no brainier.
Robust? Depends on the context. People wearing the correct type of masks and using them correctly and not touching there faces yes its going to offer some protection mainly to others from you.
At a population level with mandates the data is simply not rubust and I have seen meta analysis showing little if any benefit for abvious reasons.
I've read meta analyses confirming the opposite
Did you read the cochrane review?
You asking as if there is only one.
In the context of this conversation, it's pretty obvious I am referring to the recent cochrane meta analysis on physical measures such as hand washing and mask wearing...
Actually it's not obvious it's the most recent one.
I haved read "a" meta analysis, I have read through the Cochrane database, but cannot recall published date.
https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD006207.pub6/full
78 RCTs in total
"Medical/surgical masks compared to no masks
We included 12 trials (10 cluster-RCTs) comparing medical/surgical masks versus no masks to prevent the spread of viral respiratory illness (two trials with healthcare workers and 10 in the community). Wearing masks in the community probably makes little or no difference to the outcome of influenza-like illness (ILI)/COVID-19 like illness compared to not wearing masks (risk ratio (RR) 0.95, 95% confidence interval (CI) 0.84 to 1.09; 9 trials, 276,917 participants; moderate-certainty evidence. Wearing masks in the community probably makes little or no difference to the outcome of laboratory-confirmed influenza/SARS-CoV-2 compared to not wearing masks (RR 1.01, 95% CI 0.72 to 1.42; 6 trials, 13,919 participants; moderate-certainty evidence). Harms were rarely measured and poorly reported (very low-certainty evidence)."
Blah blah blah...
Now google that report and see how other experts interpret it. "It's there in black and white. Cochrane reviews are the good standard. If you want to choose to be willfully ignorant you do you | |||
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"Never had any of the covid jab, and I’m still alive ! Thanks for that anecdotal evidence...Yet two posts above this you have a hypothetical scenario about someone's immune system being weakened because they haven't been ill
Anecdotal beats fantasy.
Not fantasy, just poorly put because they don't understand about non-exposure and virus mutations. The immune system is not weakened, it simply hasn't been "strengthened" (gained up-to-date antibodies/memory WBC) that contracting the transient viruses bring. If a person then catches the virus, say 10 mutations down the line, it may be too far removed for the memory cells to recognise it so the immune system has to start from scratch. This means the infection takes longer to clear up.It's fantasy in the sense that he has zero idea what said poster has and has not been exposed to during lockdown. There's no guarantee that lockdown effected his immune system at all.
Lockdown effected everyone's immune system one way or another. Ridiculous to say it might not have done.
"I saw just as many people every day as I do now. I had zero time off work, so how would that change my immune system if I'm exposed to the exact same chance of infection? It wouldn't. | |||
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"Text just now . . . Dear Mr *****, There is a new variant of Covid-19 that has been detected in the UK. Not much is known about this new variant, therefore for the safety of all, the guidance is to co-administer Covid jab along with the flu jab for eligible patients. On the day when you attend for your flu jab you may be asked a few questions and if you are eligible and wish to have the Covid Jab, this will be given along with your flu vaccination. ****** Primary Care "No chance - the jab doesn’t stop you getting covid or transmission of covid. Unless you have health issues, take vit c,d and zinc instead - | |||
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"What is free with this one? A lolly pop? A smile. Unless mask wearing returns
Mask’s didn’t help the first time around so I can’t see masks making a difference this time. they helped
They didn’t.
Do you cover your mouth when you cough or sneeze????
That's the same reason masks helped.
If you can't understand that, there is not much more that can be said.
Patient facing throughout covid
I can assure you masks helped greatly
December 2020 most of the population were wearing masks and staying 6feet apart. If the masks worked then why the 6 feet apart? Also were we not seeing roughly 50k new cases a day? Maybe more. Cancelling Christmas to get the numbers down?
Tell me again that masks helped. And don’t come back with there would have been more cases if nobody wore masks. You have no proof of that so ……
The evidence is robust that mask use reduced infection levels. Your question of why not just to stick with 1 measure? When little in life is 100% guaranteed, it's madness not to use multiple lines of defense . Especially when not bothering to do so, means that you're going to be causing people to die.
Masks were very cheap and thus were a common sense choice. The government's management of Covid weren't good by a long shot. But having masks used was a no brainier.
Robust? Depends on the context. People wearing the correct type of masks and using them correctly and not touching there faces yes its going to offer some protection mainly to others from you.
At a population level with mandates the data is simply not rubust and I have seen meta analysis showing little if any benefit for abvious reasons.
I've read meta analyses confirming the opposite
Did you read the cochrane review?
You asking as if there is only one.
In the context of this conversation, it's pretty obvious I am referring to the recent cochrane meta analysis on physical measures such as hand washing and mask wearing...
Actually it's not obvious it's the most recent one.
I haved read "a" meta analysis, I have read through the Cochrane database, but cannot recall published date.
https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD006207.pub6/full
78 RCTs in total
"Medical/surgical masks compared to no masks
We included 12 trials (10 cluster-RCTs) comparing medical/surgical masks versus no masks to prevent the spread of viral respiratory illness (two trials with healthcare workers and 10 in the community). Wearing masks in the community probably makes little or no difference to the outcome of influenza-like illness (ILI)/COVID-19 like illness compared to not wearing masks (risk ratio (RR) 0.95, 95% confidence interval (CI) 0.84 to 1.09; 9 trials, 276,917 participants; moderate-certainty evidence. Wearing masks in the community probably makes little or no difference to the outcome of laboratory-confirmed influenza/SARS-CoV-2 compared to not wearing masks (RR 1.01, 95% CI 0.72 to 1.42; 6 trials, 13,919 participants; moderate-certainty evidence). Harms were rarely measured and poorly reported (very low-certainty evidence)."
Blah blah blah...
Now google that report and see how other experts interpret it.
It's there in black and white. Cochrane reviews are the good standard. If you want to choose to be willfully ignorant you do you "They might be a good standard but if you do what I suggested you might not be the willfully ignorant one. | |||
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"Never had any of the covid jab, and I’m still alive ! Thanks for that anecdotal evidence...Yet two posts above this you have a hypothetical scenario about someone's immune system being weakened because they haven't been ill
Anecdotal beats fantasy.
Not fantasy, just poorly put because they don't understand about non-exposure and virus mutations. The immune system is not weakened, it simply hasn't been "strengthened" (gained up-to-date antibodies/memory WBC) that contracting the transient viruses bring. If a person then catches the virus, say 10 mutations down the line, it may be too far removed for the memory cells to recognise it so the immune system has to start from scratch. This means the infection takes longer to clear up.It's fantasy in the sense that he has zero idea what said poster has and has not been exposed to during lockdown. There's no guarantee that lockdown effected his immune system at all.
Lockdown effected everyone's immune system one way or another. Ridiculous to say it might not have done.
I saw just as many people every day as I do now. I had zero time off work, so how would that change my immune system if I'm exposed to the exact same chance of infection? It wouldn't."Are you serious? Did all those you came into contact with live exactly the same way. Did they all see the same number of people? | |||
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"What is free with this one? A lolly pop? A smile. Unless mask wearing returns
Mask’s didn’t help the first time around so I can’t see masks making a difference this time. they helped
They didn’t.
Do you cover your mouth when you cough or sneeze????
That's the same reason masks helped.
If you can't understand that, there is not much more that can be said.
Patient facing throughout covid
I can assure you masks helped greatly
December 2020 most of the population were wearing masks and staying 6feet apart. If the masks worked then why the 6 feet apart? Also were we not seeing roughly 50k new cases a day? Maybe more. Cancelling Christmas to get the numbers down?
Tell me again that masks helped. And don’t come back with there would have been more cases if nobody wore masks. You have no proof of that so ……
The evidence is robust that mask use reduced infection levels. Your question of why not just to stick with 1 measure? When little in life is 100% guaranteed, it's madness not to use multiple lines of defense . Especially when not bothering to do so, means that you're going to be causing people to die.
Masks were very cheap and thus were a common sense choice. The government's management of Covid weren't good by a long shot. But having masks used was a no brainier.
Robust? Depends on the context. People wearing the correct type of masks and using them correctly and not touching there faces yes its going to offer some protection mainly to others from you.
At a population level with mandates the data is simply not rubust and I have seen meta analysis showing little if any benefit for abvious reasons.
I've read meta analyses confirming the opposite
Did you read the cochrane review?
You asking as if there is only one.
In the context of this conversation, it's pretty obvious I am referring to the recent cochrane meta analysis on physical measures such as hand washing and mask wearing...
Actually it's not obvious it's the most recent one.
I haved read "a" meta analysis, I have read through the Cochrane database, but cannot recall published date.
https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD006207.pub6/full
78 RCTs in total
"Medical/surgical masks compared to no masks
We included 12 trials (10 cluster-RCTs) comparing medical/surgical masks versus no masks to prevent the spread of viral respiratory illness (two trials with healthcare workers and 10 in the community). Wearing masks in the community probably makes little or no difference to the outcome of influenza-like illness (ILI)/COVID-19 like illness compared to not wearing masks (risk ratio (RR) 0.95, 95% confidence interval (CI) 0.84 to 1.09; 9 trials, 276,917 participants; moderate-certainty evidence. Wearing masks in the community probably makes little or no difference to the outcome of laboratory-confirmed influenza/SARS-CoV-2 compared to not wearing masks (RR 1.01, 95% CI 0.72 to 1.42; 6 trials, 13,919 participants; moderate-certainty evidence). Harms were rarely measured and poorly reported (very low-certainty evidence)."
Blah blah blah...
Now google that report and see how other experts interpret it.
It's there in black and white. Cochrane reviews are the good standard. If you want to choose to be willfully ignorant you do you
They might be a good standard but if you do what I suggested you might not be the willfully ignorant one."Gold standard** I have read them including the subsequent statement by cochrane.. | |||
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"What is free with this one? A lolly pop? A smile. Unless mask wearing returns
Mask’s didn’t help the first time around so I can’t see masks making a difference this time. they helped
They didn’t.
Do you cover your mouth when you cough or sneeze????
That's the same reason masks helped.
If you can't understand that, there is not much more that can be said.
Patient facing throughout covid
I can assure you masks helped greatly
December 2020 most of the population were wearing masks and staying 6feet apart. If the masks worked then why the 6 feet apart? Also were we not seeing roughly 50k new cases a day? Maybe more. Cancelling Christmas to get the numbers down?
Tell me again that masks helped. And don’t come back with there would have been more cases if nobody wore masks. You have no proof of that so ……
The evidence is robust that mask use reduced infection levels. Your question of why not just to stick with 1 measure? When little in life is 100% guaranteed, it's madness not to use multiple lines of defense . Especially when not bothering to do so, means that you're going to be causing people to die.
Masks were very cheap and thus were a common sense choice. The government's management of Covid weren't good by a long shot. But having masks used was a no brainier.
Robust? Depends on the context. People wearing the correct type of masks and using them correctly and not touching there faces yes its going to offer some protection mainly to others from you.
At a population level with mandates the data is simply not rubust and I have seen meta analysis showing little if any benefit for abvious reasons.
I've read meta analyses confirming the opposite
Did you read the cochrane review?
You asking as if there is only one.
In the context of this conversation, it's pretty obvious I am referring to the recent cochrane meta analysis on physical measures such as hand washing and mask wearing...
Actually it's not obvious it's the most recent one.
I haved read "a" meta analysis, I have read through the Cochrane database, but cannot recall published date.
https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD006207.pub6/full
78 RCTs in total
"Medical/surgical masks compared to no masks
We included 12 trials (10 cluster-RCTs) comparing medical/surgical masks versus no masks to prevent the spread of viral respiratory illness (two trials with healthcare workers and 10 in the community). Wearing masks in the community probably makes little or no difference to the outcome of influenza-like illness (ILI)/COVID-19 like illness compared to not wearing masks (risk ratio (RR) 0.95, 95% confidence interval (CI) 0.84 to 1.09; 9 trials, 276,917 participants; moderate-certainty evidence. Wearing masks in the community probably makes little or no difference to the outcome of laboratory-confirmed influenza/SARS-CoV-2 compared to not wearing masks (RR 1.01, 95% CI 0.72 to 1.42; 6 trials, 13,919 participants; moderate-certainty evidence). Harms were rarely measured and poorly reported (very low-certainty evidence)."
Blah blah blah...
Now google that report and see how other experts interpret it.
It's there in black and white. Cochrane reviews are the good standard. If you want to choose to be willfully ignorant you do you
They might be a good standard but if you do what I suggested you might not be the willfully ignorant one.
Gold standard**
I have read them including the subsequent statement by cochrane..
""Given the strong opinions expressed about the study, Cochrane further clarified that their review should not be used as evidence against mask efficacy per se, noting that the data were not definitive and that masks might be effective at preventing respiratory virus infection." Want me to stop? | |||
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"Never had any of the covid jab, and I’m still alive ! Thanks for that anecdotal evidence...Yet two posts above this you have a hypothetical scenario about someone's immune system being weakened because they haven't been ill
Anecdotal beats fantasy.
Not fantasy, just poorly put because they don't understand about non-exposure and virus mutations. The immune system is not weakened, it simply hasn't been "strengthened" (gained up-to-date antibodies/memory WBC) that contracting the transient viruses bring. If a person then catches the virus, say 10 mutations down the line, it may be too far removed for the memory cells to recognise it so the immune system has to start from scratch. This means the infection takes longer to clear up.It's fantasy in the sense that he has zero idea what said poster has and has not been exposed to during lockdown. There's no guarantee that lockdown effected his immune system at all.
Lockdown effected everyone's immune system one way or another. Ridiculous to say it might not have done.
I saw just as many people every day as I do now. I had zero time off work, so how would that change my immune system if I'm exposed to the exact same chance of infection? It wouldn't.
Are you serious? Did all those you came into contact with live exactly the same way. Did they all see the same number of people? "Given that I had the exact same workforce of around 65 per shift (losing one or two vulnerable people who were furloughed) doing the exact same job with the exact same rate of sickness/absence (discounting those with a positive covid test)I don't think lockdown effected immune systems all that much if at all. I can only give you what I've personally saw as someone who managed a fairly large group of people through the entirety of covid. If immune systems were being impacted it would be showing in absence/sickness rates. Take out the absences for covid cases and we are actually trending downwards. Anecdotal but that's my experience. | |||
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"Never had any of the covid jab, and I’m still alive ! Thanks for that anecdotal evidence...Yet two posts above this you have a hypothetical scenario about someone's immune system being weakened because they haven't been ill
Anecdotal beats fantasy.
Not fantasy, just poorly put because they don't understand about non-exposure and virus mutations. The immune system is not weakened, it simply hasn't been "strengthened" (gained up-to-date antibodies/memory WBC) that contracting the transient viruses bring. If a person then catches the virus, say 10 mutations down the line, it may be too far removed for the memory cells to recognise it so the immune system has to start from scratch. This means the infection takes longer to clear up.It's fantasy in the sense that he has zero idea what said poster has and has not been exposed to during lockdown. There's no guarantee that lockdown effected his immune system at all.
Lockdown effected everyone's immune system one way or another. Ridiculous to say it might not have done.
I saw just as many people every day as I do now. I had zero time off work, so how would that change my immune system if I'm exposed to the exact same chance of infection? It wouldn't.
Are you serious? Did all those you came into contact with live exactly the same way. Did they all see the same number of people? Given that I had the exact same workforce of around 65 per shift (losing one or two vulnerable people who were furloughed) doing the exact same job with the exact same rate of sickness/absence (discounting those with a positive covid test)I don't think lockdown effected immune systems all that much if at all.
I can only give you what I've personally saw as someone who managed a fairly large group of people through the entirety of covid. If immune systems were being impacted it would be showing in absence/sickness rates. Take out the absences for covid cases and we are actually trending downwards.
Anecdotal but that's my experience."You don't get it do you... | |||
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"Never had any of the covid jab, and I’m still alive ! Thanks for that anecdotal evidence...Yet two posts above this you have a hypothetical scenario about someone's immune system being weakened because they haven't been ill
Anecdotal beats fantasy.
Not fantasy, just poorly put because they don't understand about non-exposure and virus mutations. The immune system is not weakened, it simply hasn't been "strengthened" (gained up-to-date antibodies/memory WBC) that contracting the transient viruses bring. If a person then catches the virus, say 10 mutations down the line, it may be too far removed for the memory cells to recognise it so the immune system has to start from scratch. This means the infection takes longer to clear up.It's fantasy in the sense that he has zero idea what said poster has and has not been exposed to during lockdown. There's no guarantee that lockdown effected his immune system at all.
Lockdown effected everyone's immune system one way or another. Ridiculous to say it might not have done.
I saw just as many people every day as I do now. I had zero time off work, so how would that change my immune system if I'm exposed to the exact same chance of infection? It wouldn't.
Are you serious? Did all those you came into contact with live exactly the same way. Did they all see the same number of people? Given that I had the exact same workforce of around 65 per shift (losing one or two vulnerable people who were furloughed) doing the exact same job with the exact same rate of sickness/absence (discounting those with a positive covid test)I don't think lockdown effected immune systems all that much if at all.
I can only give you what I've personally saw as someone who managed a fairly large group of people through the entirety of covid. If immune systems were being impacted it would be showing in absence/sickness rates. Take out the absences for covid cases and we are actually trending downwards.
Anecdotal but that's my experience.
You don't get it do you..."I think you are the one that doesn't get it. If immune systems were damaged during lockdown there would be a spike in sickness after lockdown and measures ceased, as you put it those people werent interacting with as many people. I've highlighted how that spike hasn't happened in data I have access to, quite the opposite. Our sickness rate has halved since 2020, this is a group of well over 300 people too so not some throwaway number, therefore It's my opinion that you're wrong. | |||
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"Never had any of the covid jab, and I’m still alive ! Thanks for that anecdotal evidence...Yet two posts above this you have a hypothetical scenario about someone's immune system being weakened because they haven't been ill
Anecdotal beats fantasy.
Not fantasy, just poorly put because they don't understand about non-exposure and virus mutations. The immune system is not weakened, it simply hasn't been "strengthened" (gained up-to-date antibodies/memory WBC) that contracting the transient viruses bring. If a person then catches the virus, say 10 mutations down the line, it may be too far removed for the memory cells to recognise it so the immune system has to start from scratch. This means the infection takes longer to clear up.It's fantasy in the sense that he has zero idea what said poster has and has not been exposed to during lockdown. There's no guarantee that lockdown effected his immune system at all.
Lockdown effected everyone's immune system one way or another. Ridiculous to say it might not have done.
I saw just as many people every day as I do now. I had zero time off work, so how would that change my immune system if I'm exposed to the exact same chance of infection? It wouldn't.
Are you serious? Did all those you came into contact with live exactly the same way. Did they all see the same number of people? Given that I had the exact same workforce of around 65 per shift (losing one or two vulnerable people who were furloughed) doing the exact same job with the exact same rate of sickness/absence (discounting those with a positive covid test)I don't think lockdown effected immune systems all that much if at all.
I can only give you what I've personally saw as someone who managed a fairly large group of people through the entirety of covid. If immune systems were being impacted it would be showing in absence/sickness rates. Take out the absences for covid cases and we are actually trending downwards.
Anecdotal but that's my experience.
You don't get it do you...I think you are the one that doesn't get it. If immune systems were damaged during lockdown there would be a spike in sickness after lockdown and measures ceased, as you put it those people werent interacting with as many people. I've highlighted how that spike hasn't happened in data I have access to, quite the opposite. Our sickness rate has halved since 2020, this is a group of well over 300 people too so not some throwaway number, therefore It's my opinion that you're wrong."Did I say immune systems were damaged?? No. So you don't get it. | |||
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"Never had any of the covid jab, and I’m still alive ! Thanks for that anecdotal evidence...Yet two posts above this you have a hypothetical scenario about someone's immune system being weakened because they haven't been ill
Anecdotal beats fantasy.
Not fantasy, just poorly put because they don't understand about non-exposure and virus mutations. The immune system is not weakened, it simply hasn't been "strengthened" (gained up-to-date antibodies/memory WBC) that contracting the transient viruses bring. If a person then catches the virus, say 10 mutations down the line, it may be too far removed for the memory cells to recognise it so the immune system has to start from scratch. This means the infection takes longer to clear up.It's fantasy in the sense that he has zero idea what said poster has and has not been exposed to during lockdown. There's no guarantee that lockdown effected his immune system at all.
Lockdown effected everyone's immune system one way or another. Ridiculous to say it might not have done.
I saw just as many people every day as I do now. I had zero time off work, so how would that change my immune system if I'm exposed to the exact same chance of infection? It wouldn't.
Are you serious? Did all those you came into contact with live exactly the same way. Did they all see the same number of people? Given that I had the exact same workforce of around 65 per shift (losing one or two vulnerable people who were furloughed) doing the exact same job with the exact same rate of sickness/absence (discounting those with a positive covid test)I don't think lockdown effected immune systems all that much if at all.
I can only give you what I've personally saw as someone who managed a fairly large group of people through the entirety of covid. If immune systems were being impacted it would be showing in absence/sickness rates. Take out the absences for covid cases and we are actually trending downwards.
Anecdotal but that's my experience.
You don't get it do you...I think you are the one that doesn't get it. If immune systems were damaged during lockdown there would be a spike in sickness after lockdown and measures ceased, as you put it those people werent interacting with as many people. I've highlighted how that spike hasn't happened in data I have access to, quite the opposite. Our sickness rate has halved since 2020, this is a group of well over 300 people too so not some throwaway number, therefore It's my opinion that you're wrong."If your sickness rate has halved since 2020 then can you explain why? Are you saying that covid in some way or another boosted our immune systems to help prevent other illness? | |||
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"Never had any of the covid jab, and I’m still alive ! Thanks for that anecdotal evidence...Yet two posts above this you have a hypothetical scenario about someone's immune system being weakened because they haven't been ill
Anecdotal beats fantasy.
Not fantasy, just poorly put because they don't understand about non-exposure and virus mutations. The immune system is not weakened, it simply hasn't been "strengthened" (gained up-to-date antibodies/memory WBC) that contracting the transient viruses bring. If a person then catches the virus, say 10 mutations down the line, it may be too far removed for the memory cells to recognise it so the immune system has to start from scratch. This means the infection takes longer to clear up.It's fantasy in the sense that he has zero idea what said poster has and has not been exposed to during lockdown. There's no guarantee that lockdown effected his immune system at all.
Lockdown effected everyone's immune system one way or another. Ridiculous to say it might not have done.
I saw just as many people every day as I do now. I had zero time off work, so how would that change my immune system if I'm exposed to the exact same chance of infection? It wouldn't.
Are you serious? Did all those you came into contact with live exactly the same way. Did they all see the same number of people? Given that I had the exact same workforce of around 65 per shift (losing one or two vulnerable people who were furloughed) doing the exact same job with the exact same rate of sickness/absence (discounting those with a positive covid test)I don't think lockdown effected immune systems all that much if at all.
I can only give you what I've personally saw as someone who managed a fairly large group of people through the entirety of covid. If immune systems were being impacted it would be showing in absence/sickness rates. Take out the absences for covid cases and we are actually trending downwards.
Anecdotal but that's my experience.
You don't get it do you...I think you are the one that doesn't get it. If immune systems were damaged during lockdown there would be a spike in sickness after lockdown and measures ceased, as you put it those people werent interacting with as many people. I've highlighted how that spike hasn't happened in data I have access to, quite the opposite. Our sickness rate has halved since 2020, this is a group of well over 300 people too so not some throwaway number, therefore It's my opinion that you're wrong."In terms of what you don't get, Some of your colleagues have kids? Where they mixing as normal during lockdown? No. How about the partners who were working from home and not having to sit or stand on busy public buses and trains. There are all ways that your colleagues could previously exposed your workforce to infections. As a result of lockdowns, your immune system has not been exposed to viruses that it otherwise would have been. Therefore, your immune system has been affected. Understand? Now, as we came out of lockdown, the measures in place all but wiped out some variants of the flu and therfore many other viruses. It takes time for these virus to get a hold again when mixing resumed. | |||
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"So where's the increase in sickness if that's the case? Also, I understand perfectly what you are trying to say, I dont agree with it. Disagreeing with you doesnt mean I dont get what you believe is true, trying to act like you're superior doesn't change that "Want to answer my question first? The one about a rationale for a drop in sickness levels by half. | |||
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"So where's the increase in sickness if that's the case? Also, I understand perfectly what you are trying to say, I dont agree with it. Disagreeing with you doesnt mean I dont get what you believe is true, trying to act like you're superior doesn't change that
Want to answer my question first? The one about a rationale for a drop in sickness levels by half."My reply was above. Care to read before trying to be a smart arse? | |||
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"What is free with this one? A lolly pop? A smile. Unless mask wearing returns
Mask’s didn’t help the first time around so I can’t see masks making a difference this time. they helped
They didn’t.
Do you cover your mouth when you cough or sneeze????
That's the same reason masks helped.
If you can't understand that, there is not much more that can be said.
Patient facing throughout covid
I can assure you masks helped greatly"That must be nice sneezing in a mask and wearing it all day! I’ll stick to hand or hankie thanks | |||
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"What is free with this one? A lolly pop? A smile. Unless mask wearing returns
Mask’s didn’t help the first time around so I can’t see masks making a difference this time. they helped
They didn’t.
Do you cover your mouth when you cough or sneeze????
That's the same reason masks helped.
If you can't understand that, there is not much more that can be said.
Patient facing throughout covid
I can assure you masks helped greatly
Exactly.
Of course masks helped .
Most people were not vaccinated at that time and it certainly will have helped slow the growth rate in public.
Some people are so determined to be right that they cannot accept simple science.
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"Flu yes, covid booster, no." | |||
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"Not a chance in hell! Haven’t had any yet had covid twice once bad early doors and mild second time round" Nice to read this. I am the same. | |||
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"I won't be having either, not had any covid jabs, only had flu jabs when pregnant " Haven't had any either. | |||
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"What is free with this one? A lolly pop? A smile. Unless mask wearing returns
Mask’s didn’t help the first time around so I can’t see masks making a difference this time. they helped
They didn’t.
Do you cover your mouth when you cough or sneeze????
That's the same reason masks helped.
If you can't understand that, there is not much more that can be said.
Patient facing throughout covid
I can assure you masks helped greatly
December 2020 most of the population were wearing masks and staying 6feet apart. If the masks worked then why the 6 feet apart? Also were we not seeing roughly 50k new cases a day? Maybe more. Cancelling Christmas to get the numbers down?
Tell me again that masks helped. And don’t come back with there would have been more cases if nobody wore masks. You have no proof of that so ……" | |||
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"What is free with this one? A lolly pop? A smile. Unless mask wearing returns
Mask’s didn’t help the first time around so I can’t see masks making a difference this time. they helped
They didn’t.
Do you cover your mouth when you cough or sneeze????
That's the same reason masks helped.
If you can't understand that, there is not much more that can be said.
Patient facing throughout covid
I can assure you masks helped greatly
That must be nice sneezing in a mask and wearing it all day! I’ll stick to hand or hankie thanks "You are allowed to change it | |||
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"you haven't answered it. You wrote something but can't answer it. sickness levels aren't going to half because people are washing their hands more." So hospital staff don't need to wash hands between patients? | |||
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"What is free with this one? A lolly pop? A smile. Unless mask wearing returns
Mask’s didn’t help the first time around so I can’t see masks making a difference this time. they helped
They didn’t.
Do you cover your mouth when you cough or sneeze????
That's the same reason masks helped.
If you can't understand that, there is not much more that can be said.
Patient facing throughout covid
I can assure you masks helped greatly
That must be nice sneezing in a mask and wearing it all day! I’ll stick to hand or hankie thanks "they have to be changed if that happens.. and you don't wear the same one app day.. changed a lot. X especially when dealing with covid patients. Removed the moment you come out of their room along with gloves,.aprons, face shields etc | |||
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"What is free with this one? A lolly pop? A smile. Unless mask wearing returns
Mask’s didn’t help the first time around so I can’t see masks making a difference this time. they helped
They didn’t.
Do you cover your mouth when you cough or sneeze????
That's the same reason masks helped.
If you can't understand that, there is not much more that can be said.
Patient facing throughout covid
I can assure you masks helped greatly
December 2020 most of the population were wearing masks and staying 6feet apart. If the masks worked then why the 6 feet apart? Also were we not seeing roughly 50k new cases a day? Maybe more. Cancelling Christmas to get the numbers down?
Tell me again that masks helped. And don’t come back with there would have been more cases if nobody wore masks. You have no proof of that so ……
The evidence is robust that mask use reduced infection levels. Your question of why not just to stick with 1 measure? When little in life is 100% guaranteed, it's madness not to use multiple lines of defense . Especially when not bothering to do so, means that you're going to be causing people to die.
Masks were very cheap and thus were a common sense choice. The government's management of Covid weren't good by a long shot. But having masks used was a no brainier.
Robust? Depends on the context. People wearing the correct type of masks and using them correctly and not touching there faces yes its going to offer some protection mainly to others from you.
At a population level with mandates the data is simply not rubust and I have seen meta analysis showing little if any benefit for abvious reasons.
I've read meta analyses confirming the opposite
Did you read the cochrane review?
You asking as if there is only one.
In the context of this conversation, it's pretty obvious I am referring to the recent cochrane meta analysis on physical measures such as hand washing and mask wearing...
Actually it's not obvious it's the most recent one.
I haved read "a" meta analysis, I have read through the Cochrane database, but cannot recall published date.
https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD006207.pub6/full
78 RCTs in total
"Medical/surgical masks compared to no masks
We included 12 trials (10 cluster-RCTs) comparing medical/surgical masks versus no masks to prevent the spread of viral respiratory illness (two trials with healthcare workers and 10 in the community). Wearing masks in the community probably makes little or no difference to the outcome of influenza-like illness (ILI)/COVID-19 like illness compared to not wearing masks (risk ratio (RR) 0.95, 95% confidence interval (CI) 0.84 to 1.09; 9 trials, 276,917 participants; moderate-certainty evidence. Wearing masks in the community probably makes little or no difference to the outcome of laboratory-confirmed influenza/SARS-CoV-2 compared to not wearing masks (RR 1.01, 95% CI 0.72 to 1.42; 6 trials, 13,919 participants; moderate-certainty evidence). Harms were rarely measured and poorly reported (very low-certainty evidence)."
Blah blah blah...
Now google that report and see how other experts interpret it.
It's there in black and white. Cochrane reviews are the good standard. If you want to choose to be willfully ignorant you do you
They might be a good standard but if you do what I suggested you might not be the willfully ignorant one.
Gold standard**
I have read them including the subsequent statement by cochrane..
"Given the strong opinions expressed about the study, Cochrane further clarified that their review should not be used as evidence against mask efficacy per se, noting that the data were not definitive and that masks might be effective at preventing respiratory virus infection."
Want me to stop?"No not at all a cochrane review is about the best you are ever going to get In terms of meta analysis and it was unable to prove that mask use on mass was effective.. if it was that night and day effective it would be pretty easy to prove... Masks can be effective if you use them correct masks and use them correctly and are able not to keep touching your face. The truth is most people are not able to do this. | |||
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"you haven't answered it. You wrote something but can't answer it. sickness levels aren't going to half because people are washing their hands more." Just cause you don't like the answer doesn't mean it isn't an answer. Could be a variety of reasons, better hygiene or maybe people not being able to afford days off due to cost of living crisis so working theough minor illness more. I'd have happily shared the data with you privately but to be honest you come across like a knob so I'm done replying to you. Enjoy  | |||
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