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"Would you like this forum to be turned into a health forum? Peer mediated support and NOT a replacement for seeing your GP." No thank you. | |||
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"Would you like this forum to be turned into a health forum? Peer mediated support and NOT a replacement for seeing your GP. No thank you. " You don't find peer support valuable? | |||
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"I think it's a good idea" It'd be good to get away from the devisive nature of Covid and vaccines. | |||
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"Would you like this forum to be turned into a health forum? Peer mediated support and NOT a replacement for seeing your GP." Depends on the peers  | |||
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"Would you like this forum to be turned into a health forum? Peer mediated support and NOT a replacement for seeing your GP. Depends on the peers "Yep, exactly this.  | |||
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"Would you like this forum to be turned into a health forum? Peer mediated support and NOT a replacement for seeing your GP." My personal opinion is that giving validation to some of the frankly ridiculous, factually incorrect and sometimes dangerous health advice I've seen dished out on the fab forums would be a mistake. People would use it as a replacement for professional advice because that is so hard to access. | |||
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"Would you like this forum to be turned into a health forum? Peer mediated support and NOT a replacement for seeing your GP. Depends on the peers "Ain't that the truth! | |||
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"There have been useful health related threads before but they are scattered in the Lounge. Would be good to have one Forum for them. " And so fast paced is the lounge, some get lost among the tits out Tuesday threads. | |||
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"Op if you want to make the suggestion to admin you could post it in the site feedback section. "I did before this thread. | |||
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"Would you like this forum to be turned into a health forum? Peer mediated support and NOT a replacement for seeing your GP. My personal opinion is that giving validation to some of the frankly ridiculous, factually incorrect and sometimes dangerous health advice I've seen dished out on the fab forums would be a mistake. People would use it as a replacement for professional advice because that is so hard to access. " I see your point, however none of the sub-forums give validation to the content within them. Each post is an opinion made by each poster and doesn't represent the opinions of the owners or of the institutions that may be mentioned. A clause that should actually be on the site somewhere. | |||
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"Would you like this forum to be turned into a health forum? Peer mediated support and NOT a replacement for seeing your GP. My personal opinion is that giving validation to some of the frankly ridiculous, factually incorrect and sometimes dangerous health advice I've seen dished out on the fab forums would be a mistake. People would use it as a replacement for professional advice because that is so hard to access. I see your point, however none of the sub-forums give validation to the content within them. Each post is an opinion made by each poster and doesn't represent the opinions of the owners or of the institutions that may be mentioned. A clause that should actually be on the site somewhere." In my experience the people who will seek out professional advice will do so by whatever means and the ones who are prepared to believe anything on the net would flock to a health forum on a swingers site ready to take and give medical 'advice'. No clause will stop them from trying to treat whatever ails them with snake oil. | |||
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Alongside that, it will inevitably attract the usual divisive folk that could cause a fight with their own shadows, in an empty room.
So kinda like what this forum already is. It’ll just have a new name. | |||
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"My personal opinion is that giving validation to some of the frankly ridiculous, factually incorrect and sometimes dangerous health advice I've seen dished out on the fab forums would be a mistake. People would use it as a replacement for professional advice because that is so hard to access. " Absolutely this. | |||
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"Would you like this forum to be turned into a health forum? Peer mediated support and NOT a replacement for seeing your GP." I would rather see my GP thanks. | |||
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"I have seen useful threads eg has anyone had a coil fitted, anyone use hormone patches, anyone had LETZZ treatment etc" Other people's experiences are often helpful, so is a lot of the support I see given. What would concern me would be the self appointed health experts who would see a designated health forum as their spiritual home. One thing I have a great deal of experience of is spinal stenosis, one symptom of which is sciatic pain. I look on in horror at the suggestions given and eagerly taken up by people who are suffering with sciatica. The damage some of these suggestions could cause is awful to contemplate. I always try to suggest that people find the root cause before attempting any self treatment but... | |||
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"Would you like this forum to be turned into a health forum? Peer mediated support and NOT a replacement for seeing your GP. My personal opinion is that giving validation to some of the frankly ridiculous, factually incorrect and sometimes dangerous health advice I've seen dished out on the fab forums would be a mistake. People would use it as a replacement for professional advice because that is so hard to access. I see your point, however none of the sub-forums give validation to the content within them. Each post is an opinion made by each poster and doesn't represent the opinions of the owners or of the institutions that may be mentioned. A clause that should actually be on the site somewhere. In my experience the people who will seek out professional advice will do so by whatever means and the ones who are prepared to believe anything on the net would flock to a health forum on a swingers site ready to take and give medical 'advice'. No clause will stop them from trying to treat whatever ails them with snake oil. " I wasn't thinking of the posters but protecting owners from liability. Threads are posted seeking support just in a haphazard way at present. | |||
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"Quack, quack" Different to the normal baa accusations. | |||
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"Would you like this forum to be turned into a health forum? Peer mediated support and NOT a replacement for seeing your GP. My personal opinion is that giving validation to some of the frankly ridiculous, factually incorrect and sometimes dangerous health advice I've seen dished out on the fab forums would be a mistake. People would use it as a replacement for professional advice because that is so hard to access. I see your point, however none of the sub-forums give validation to the content within them. Each post is an opinion made by each poster and doesn't represent the opinions of the owners or of the institutions that may be mentioned. A clause that should actually be on the site somewhere. In my experience the people who will seek out professional advice will do so by whatever means and the ones who are prepared to believe anything on the net would flock to a health forum on a swingers site ready to take and give medical 'advice'. No clause will stop them from trying to treat whatever ails them with snake oil. I wasn't thinking of the posters but protecting owners from liability. Threads are posted seeking support just in a haphazard way at present." Support, which I acknowledge was the word you used in your op is great. Almost always the support turns to medical advice though. | |||
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"Quack, quack Different to the normal baa accusations." Sorry I am just saying I would be a quack if I gave medical advice, better go see my G.P or talk to a person I know, as this forum is not the best for advice as one poster wrote there are some who would argue with their own shadow alone in a room. | |||
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"It'd be good to get away from the devisive nature of Covid and vaccines." Agreed. | |||
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"What would be useful would be a way to “mute” threads/forums so they don’t keep popping up full of nonsense. Also : people. " There is a way for yourself not to read them already. Don't open them | |||
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"Yes, but I am so weak! "Resist the temptation !! It will only end in shaking your head and rolling your eyes a lot  | |||
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"Would you like this forum to be turned into a health forum? Peer mediated support and NOT a replacement for seeing your GP. My personal opinion is that giving validation to some of the frankly ridiculous, factually incorrect and sometimes dangerous health advice I've seen dished out on the fab forums would be a mistake. People would use it as a replacement for professional advice because that is so hard to access. I see your point, however none of the sub-forums give validation to the content within them. Each post is an opinion made by each poster and doesn't represent the opinions of the owners or of the institutions that may be mentioned. A clause that should actually be on the site somewhere. In my experience the people who will seek out professional advice will do so by whatever means and the ones who are prepared to believe anything on the net would flock to a health forum on a swingers site ready to take and give medical 'advice'. No clause will stop them from trying to treat whatever ails them with snake oil. I wasn't thinking of the posters but protecting owners from liability. Threads are posted seeking support just in a haphazard way at present. Support, which I acknowledge was the word you used in your op is great. Almost always the support turns to medical advice though. " And some come across as knowledgeable even though they are lay people. | |||
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"Quack, quack Different to the normal baa accusations. Sorry I am just saying I would be a quack if I gave medical advice, better go see my G.P or talk to a person I know, as this forum is not the best for advice as one poster wrote there are some who would argue with their own shadow alone in a room." Sometimes people are signposted to others like charities/organisations, to get quality information (after all seeing your GP nowadays can be a nightmare). I often signpost people to NICE guidelines, and this informs them what to expect from their doctors. | |||
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"You will always get someone giving the medical equivalent of: Q. Intimate hair removal advice? A. Flame thrower. (Okay yes, that person will often be me!)" 
Can I say I've noticed?
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"You will always get someone giving the medical equivalent of: Q. Intimate hair removal advice? A. Flame thrower. (Okay yes, that person will often be me!)" So how far back should I hold the flame thrower? | |||
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"Would you like this forum to be turned into a health forum? Peer mediated support and NOT a replacement for seeing your GP. No thank you. You don't find peer support valuable?" It would really depend on the peer and how anyone would check the advice and/or the standing of any self appointed peers. Its a no from me and I'd stick to the advice of initially going to your GP or using NHS helplines, not swingers sites. Some folks suffer from loneliness and maybe just friendly chat groups may suffice. Sadly, some groups on here are pits of angst and nastiness, probably the worst place to combat loneliness and isolation. | |||
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"Would you like this forum to be turned into a health forum? Peer mediated support and NOT a replacement for seeing your GP. Depends on the peers "Not those hereditary ones. | |||
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"And some come across as knowledgeable even though they are lay people." The arrogance in that statement... | |||
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"And some come across as knowledgeable even though they are lay people. The arrogance in that statement..." Ok I'll rephrase - some people come across as knowledgeable and others may infer them to be HCPs even though they are lay people. And if that's arrogance, then I'm truly baffled. | |||
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"Would you like this forum to be turned into a health forum? Peer mediated support and NOT a replacement for seeing your GP." That would be hilarious. The nonsense I see peddled by self-styled health and wellness wannabes gathered into a dedicated forum on a sex site… what could possibly go wrong? | |||
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"Would you like this forum to be turned into a health forum? Peer mediated support and NOT a replacement for seeing your GP. That would be hilarious. The nonsense I see peddled by self-styled health and wellness wannabes gathered into a dedicated forum on a sex site… what could possibly go wrong? " You're for it I see | |||
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"Would you like this forum to be turned into a health forum? Peer mediated support and NOT a replacement for seeing your GP." I don’t use this forum particularly but that sounds a better option and arguably more positive than the nature of the virus debates at times. | |||
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"Would you like this forum to be turned into a health forum? Peer mediated support and NOT a replacement for seeing your GP. That would be hilarious. The nonsense I see peddled by self-styled health and wellness wannabes gathered into a dedicated forum on a sex site… what could possibly go wrong? You're for it I see "I am a fan of Darwin, to be sure. | |||
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"Would you like this forum to be turned into a health forum? Peer mediated support and NOT a replacement for seeing your GP. No thank you. " | |||
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"Would you like this forum to be turned into a health forum? Peer mediated support and NOT a replacement for seeing your GP. Depends on the peers "This  | |||
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"I think it's a good idea It'd be good to get away from the devisive nature of Covid and vaccines." | |||
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"Would you like this forum to be turned into a health forum? Peer mediated support and NOT a replacement for seeing your GP. That would be hilarious. The nonsense I see peddled by self-styled health and wellness wannabes gathered into a dedicated forum on a sex site… what could possibly go wrong? You're for it I see
I am a fan of Darwin, to be sure. "Have you googled the Darwin awards? There are some beauties on there | |||
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"Would you like this forum to be turned into a health forum? Peer mediated support and NOT a replacement for seeing your GP. Depends on the peers
Ain't that the truth!"The ones on youtube, seem popular | |||
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"Would you like this forum to be turned into a health forum? Peer mediated support and NOT a replacement for seeing your GP. No thank you. You don't find peer support valuable?" Not from this biased lot | |||
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"I do think it odd at this point in time there is whole Forum section devoted to "Virus" and something more general like Health and Wellbeing would be better (and more positive) " I don't think the bell can be unrung, and the same narratives around Covid would continue with everything else. "Stubbed your toe? That's clearly because you are/ aren't vaccinated. You've made a terrible mistake" | |||
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"Would you like this forum to be turned into a health forum? Peer mediated support and NOT a replacement for seeing your GP." Who would be providing this ? | |||
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"Would you like this forum to be turned into a health forum? Peer mediated support and NOT a replacement for seeing your GP. Who would be providing this ? " I very much doubt you'll get a clear answer, I've long had my suspicions though | |||
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"Would you like this forum to be turned into a health forum? Peer mediated support and NOT a replacement for seeing your GP. That would be hilarious. The nonsense I see peddled by self-styled health and wellness wannabes gathered into a dedicated forum on a sex site… what could possibly go wrong? You're for it I see
I am a fan of Darwin, to be sure.
Have you googled the Darwin awards? There are some beauties on there "Indeed… 30 years ago I was on the Darwin email discussion group. | |||
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"Would you like this forum to be turned into a health forum? Peer mediated support and NOT a replacement for seeing your GP. Who would be providing this ? " The clue is in "peer". | |||
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"Yes " But sadly doubtful | |||
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"Would you like this forum to be turned into a health forum? Peer mediated support and NOT a replacement for seeing your GP. That would be hilarious. The nonsense I see peddled by self-styled health and wellness wannabes gathered into a dedicated forum on a sex site… what could possibly go wrong? You're for it I see
I am a fan of Darwin, to be sure.
Have you googled the Darwin awards? There are some beauties on there
Indeed… 30 years ago I was on the Darwin email discussion group. "Oh now that is interesting... Was that around the time of the alt.sex boards too? There were some beauties | |||
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" Indeed… 30 years ago I was on the Darwin email discussion group. Oh now that is interesting... Was that around the time of the alt.sex boards too? There were some beauties " Ah, the joys of usenet
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" Indeed… 30 years ago I was on the Darwin email discussion group. Oh now that is interesting... Was that around the time of the alt.sex boards too? There were some beauties Ah, the joys of usenet
"What happened to those boards? Did they disappear... I vaguely recall the finish ones had some very creative porn stories. | |||
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" Indeed… 30 years ago I was on the Darwin email discussion group. Oh now that is interesting... Was that around the time of the alt.sex boards too? There were some beauties Ah, the joys of usenet
What happened to those boards? Did they disappear... I vaguely recall the finish ones had some very creative porn stories. "No idea. It’s possible it’s still running but the traffic will be low. And probably niche. | |||
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"I think it's a good idea It'd be good to get away from the devisive nature of Covid and vaccines." I thank it's a good idea. | |||
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"Would you like this forum to be turned into a health forum? Peer mediated support and NOT a replacement for seeing your GP. Depends on the peers
Ain't that the truth!
The ones on youtube, seem popular" | |||
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"Would you like this forum to be turned into a health forum? Peer mediated support and NOT a replacement for seeing your GP." Just seen this.. Why not start a YouTube channel? As you have such strong opinions on all things medical,and probably more qualified than John Campbell ,you could perhaps name it Dr Amelie's Holier than thou show. Just a thought ! Cough | |||
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"I think it would be a good idea. Health related posts exist, whether thats STI questions, mental health, weight loss etc, it would be handy to keep them in one place. It may make more work for the mods? But members being able to signpost others to profession help may be worth it?" Why more work? Wherever a thread is posted there may be a need for moderation. But thank you for agreeing | |||
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"I've been lambasted in the past for suggesting we have a completely separate forum page for all things sexual health related. I'm very much for changing this to HEALTH, moving it further down the forums list , still allowing people to discuss all things covid related plus more informative thread's relating to sexual health, RD, menopause and perhaps even trans surgery discussion. However I'm guessing that the sticking point is that any advice given is not checked and verified so potentially dangerous or wrong advice may be given, so does it then boil down to liability. Difficult one !" ED not rd | |||
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"I am a HCP and I would not ever give advice on a forum about anyone’s conditions/treatment. I’d want to see the person face to face ideally and have access to any tests that they may have had. My registration is important to me and I don’t want to lose it for anyone. But… Having people sharing experiences and giving advice on what questions to ask and signposting, yeah, I don’t see any issues with that. With people being worried about bad advice being taken as gospel, do you think people would advise on treatments etc? Maybe the disclaimer would be that no HCP would give you treatment plans without seeing all of your information? Saying that, would people with legitimate issues be looking for advice on a swingers forum?" They have done in the past. | |||
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"I am a HCP and I would not ever give advice on a forum about anyone’s conditions/treatment. I’d want to see the person face to face ideally and have access to any tests that they may have had. My registration is important to me and I don’t want to lose it for anyone. But… Having people sharing experiences and giving advice on what questions to ask and signposting, yeah, I don’t see any issues with that. With people being worried about bad advice being taken as gospel, do you think people would advise on treatments etc? Maybe the disclaimer would be that no HCP would give you treatment plans without seeing all of your information? Saying that, would people with legitimate issues be looking for advice on a swingers forum?" There are a lot of well intentioned, well experienced and intelligent folks on here so... Sure why not? Just so long as you take it in context | |||
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"Would you like this forum to be turned into a health forum? Peer mediated support and NOT a replacement for seeing your GP." Looking at some of the health advice and conspiracy ideas on here I would say definitely not. If you feel unwell see a Dr. | |||
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"I think a simple change to viruses to cover many things, however noticed people starting to give medical advice based on conspiracy knowledge rather than professional advice. Which is dangerous." Maybe have a conspiracy section.? | |||
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"I think a simple change to viruses to cover many things, however noticed people starting to give medical advice based on conspiracy knowledge rather than professional advice. Which is dangerous. Maybe have a conspiracy section.?" Wouldn't work. The people believing in conspiracies think that what they believe is the truth. Take away the virus forum - including by renaming it health - and it'll metastasise in the lounge | |||
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"Would you like this forum to be turned into a health forum? Peer mediated support and NOT a replacement for seeing your GP." No, there's enough nonsense on it already  | |||
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"Would you like this forum to be turned into a health forum? Peer mediated support and NOT a replacement for seeing your GP." Yes | |||
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"Would you like this forum to be turned into a health forum? Peer mediated support and NOT a replacement for seeing your GP." Great idea. I guess the number of topics/ replies prooves the interest. | |||
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"I think a simple change to viruses to cover many things, however noticed people starting to give medical advice based on conspiracy knowledge rather than professional advice. Which is dangerous. Maybe have a conspiracy section.? Wouldn't work. The people believing in conspiracies think that what they believe is the truth. Take away the virus forum - including by renaming it health - and it'll metastasise in the lounge " Why? People could still post Virus threads in a Health Section. Why would they choose the Lounge over Health? In any case there are hundreds of threads a day on all kinds of drivel in the Lounge so it would barely get noticed in any case | |||
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"Homeopathy it’s the future "It's very trial and error but I've used it twice on horses with sarcoids and it worked but I've used it for other things and it didn't work so well | |||
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"Homeopathy it’s the future "Yikes. Lawd help us | |||
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"It doesn’t work on anything it’s a con, " Prove it | |||
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"I find it interesting that some people are so determined to change the virus forum into something else. Does this happen on the camping forum as well? "Ignore the pile of tents and sleeping bags! Camping was over two years ago. Change this into a general outdoorsing forum instead!"" Glad you're interested  | |||
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"FWIW I would totally support changing the “Virus” forum to a “Health” forum to encourage wider health related discussion and, hopefully, less Covid related discussion." If we added "and efficiency" to it, we might be onto something. | |||
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"It doesn’t work on anything it’s a con, Prove it "In Australia, in 2015, the National Health and Medical Research Council (NHMRC) released a Statement on Homeopathy based on its own review of available clinical evidence. NHMRC concluded there is no reliable evidence that homeopathy is effective for any health condition. | |||
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"Would you like this forum to be turned into a health forum? Peer mediated support and NOT a replacement for seeing your GP." I think that could be an excellent idea. | |||
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"Would you like this forum to be turned into a health forum? Peer mediated support and NOT a replacement for seeing your GP. My personal opinion is that giving validation to some of the frankly ridiculous, factually incorrect and sometimes dangerous health advice I've seen dished out on the fab forums would be a mistake. People would use it as a replacement for professional advice because that is so hard to access. I see your point, however none of the sub-forums give validation to the content within them. Each post is an opinion made by each poster and doesn't represent the opinions of the owners or of the institutions that may be mentioned. A clause that should actually be on the site somewhere. In my experience the people who will seek out professional advice will do so by whatever means and the ones who are prepared to believe anything on the net would flock to a health forum on a swingers site ready to take and give medical 'advice'. No clause will stop them from trying to treat whatever ails them with snake oil. I wasn't thinking of the posters but protecting owners from liability. Threads are posted seeking support just in a haphazard way at present. Support, which I acknowledge was the word you used in your op is great. Almost always the support turns to medical advice though. " I think if people decide to take medical advice from these discussions then there is nothing that can be done to help them. Hopefully, the discussions could include advice and experience from people who have gone through sone of these things personally and at least have some helpful or useful suggestion such as yourself with sciatica advice. Anyone with sone personal knowledge of a more serious ailment would , think, always suggest professional advice in the first instance. I know that I would always say to seek a medical professional despite my own knowledge of certain things. | |||
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"It doesn’t work on anything it’s a con, " There is much proof certainly for certain natural remedies from antibacterial/sporicidal to alleviating symptoms. (Note, I did not say cure) With in depth and controlled studies I'm sure much more could be shown. After all, medicine is the baby of herbalism... | |||
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"No place for amateurs in medicine and healthcare, however well intentioned." I would imagine that there could well be many medical professionals on this site. I certainly know a few . They would never diagnose through these forums I'm certain but they can assure people and suggest the correct course of action to take I'm sure. | |||
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"I must admit ive always been baffled as to why we need this type of thread at all on a swingers site. If people want health or virus advice this is the last place they should be looking in my view. " Do we need a politics forum or the lounge? It's want, not need. | |||
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"i would not trust '' Peer mediated support '' im all for it being a health forum tho " You don't have to. It's about declaring what worked for you or asking others what worked for them. It's not amateur hour for armchair doctors diagnosing. Never seek medical help here but support and perhaps signposting. This is being directed to those who can give appropriate support out in the real world: GPs, nurses, pharmacists, physios, charities, and so on. It's about saying "you're not alone". | |||
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"i would not trust '' Peer mediated support '' im all for it being a health forum tho You don't have to. It's about declaring what worked for you or asking others what worked for them. It's not amateur hour for armchair doctors diagnosing. Never seek medical help here but support and perhaps signposting. This is being directed to those who can give appropriate support out in the real world: GPs, nurses, pharmacists, physios, charities, and so on. It's about saying "you're not alone"." but it will attract people who work in the health / care profession see it on here all the time nurse's/wannabe nurses giving medical advice or people who work in mental health giving advice thats what im trying to get at and it can dangerous ... otherwise like i said i agree on it being renamed health forum so that all those mental health post can live in there to so people know where to go if they want | |||
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"i would not trust '' Peer mediated support '' im all for it being a health forum tho You don't have to. It's about declaring what worked for you or asking others what worked for them. It's not amateur hour for armchair doctors diagnosing. Never seek medical help here but support and perhaps signposting. This is being directed to those who can give appropriate support out in the real world: GPs, nurses, pharmacists, physios, charities, and so on. It's about saying "you're not alone". but it will attract people who work in the health / care profession see it on here all the time nurse's/wannabe nurses giving medical advice or people who work in mental health giving advice thats what im trying to get at and it can dangerous ... otherwise like i said i agree on it being renamed health forum so that all those mental health post can live in there to so people know where to go if they want" I really do not think any health professional would try to diagnose and treat on this forum. I know that I would always advise to speak to your own local health professionals. | |||
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"I think it's a good idea It'd be good to get away from the devisive nature of Covid and vaccines." What’s devisive about it? | |||
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"i would not trust '' Peer mediated support '' im all for it being a health forum tho You don't have to. It's about declaring what worked for you or asking others what worked for them. It's not amateur hour for armchair doctors diagnosing. Never seek medical help here but support and perhaps signposting. This is being directed to those who can give appropriate support out in the real world: GPs, nurses, pharmacists, physios, charities, and so on. It's about saying "you're not alone". but it will attract people who work in the health / care profession see it on here all the time nurse's/wannabe nurses giving medical advice or people who work in mental health giving advice thats what im trying to get at and it can dangerous ... otherwise like i said i agree on it being renamed health forum so that all those mental health post can live in there to so people know where to go if they want I really do not think any health professional would try to diagnose and treat on this forum. I know that I would always advise to speak to your own local health professionals." I signpost. I advocate looking at NICE guidelines. | |||
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"I don't see the point because some people have some great information and things that have helped them but everyone is just gonna say go to your doctor anyway so I don't think this is the place for it, if the community was more open minded and less mainstream it could work " When alternative medicine has been scientifically tested, and shown to work, it changes its name to medicine. It’s possible for people to signpost and give advice for things that have worked for them if they have been diagnosed with the same condition as the person asking the question but also tell people to go and see the doctor if they are experiencing symptoms but don’t have a diagnosis. | |||
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"I don't see the point because some people have some great information and things that have helped them but everyone is just gonna say go to your doctor anyway so I don't think this is the place for it, if the community was more open minded and less mainstream it could work " So, what you're advocating for is stuff that's got a lot of hype on the internet, rather than things that have been vetted by experts with appropriate thresholds of evidence? Cool. What could possibly go wrong? | |||
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"I don't see the point because some people have some great information and things that have helped them but everyone is just gonna say go to your doctor anyway so I don't think this is the place for it, if the community was more open minded and less mainstream it could work So, what you're advocating for is stuff that's got a lot of hype on the internet, rather than things that have been vetted by experts with appropriate thresholds of evidence? Cool. What could possibly go wrong?" I'm 38 and have absolutely no health problems (I fixed them all myself) my mum has been on hundreds of pills her whole life and eats shit and she's been ill since I was about 10, recommending that people take pills to hide symptoms whilst they carry on eating half a loaf of kinsmill per day while drinking cola and eating cake and sitting at a desk or on the couch all day is insanity | |||
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"I don't see the point because some people have some great information and things that have helped them but everyone is just gonna say go to your doctor anyway so I don't think this is the place for it, if the community was more open minded and less mainstream it could work So, what you're advocating for is stuff that's got a lot of hype on the internet, rather than things that have been vetted by experts with appropriate thresholds of evidence? Cool. What could possibly go wrong? I'm 38 and have absolutely no health problems (I fixed them all myself) my mum has been on hundreds of pills her whole life and eats shit and she's been ill since I was about 10, recommending that people take pills to hide symptoms whilst they carry on eating half a loaf of kinsmill per day while drinking cola and eating cake and sitting at a desk or on the couch all day is insanity " Ah. Anecdotes. These are the solution to all our societal problems. Give this person a Nobel Prize. I can play too. We should eliminate all standards. If your house collapses, it's not because it didn't adhere to those icky mainstream architectural standards bought for by Big Construction, it's because you didn't believe in fairies hard enough and the builder looked at a cake once! | |||
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"I don't see the point because some people have some great information and things that have helped them but everyone is just gonna say go to your doctor anyway so I don't think this is the place for it, if the community was more open minded and less mainstream it could work So, what you're advocating for is stuff that's got a lot of hype on the internet, rather than things that have been vetted by experts with appropriate thresholds of evidence? Cool. What could possibly go wrong? I'm 38 and have absolutely no health problems (I fixed them all myself) my mum has been on hundreds of pills her whole life and eats shit and she's been ill since I was about 10, recommending that people take pills to hide symptoms whilst they carry on eating half a loaf of kinsmill per day while drinking cola and eating cake and sitting at a desk or on the couch all day is insanity Ah. Anecdotes. These are the solution to all our societal problems. Give this person a Nobel Prize. I can play too. We should eliminate all standards. If your house collapses, it's not because it didn't adhere to those icky mainstream architectural standards bought for by Big Construction, it's because you didn't believe in fairies hard enough and the builder looked at a cake once!" Yeah basically just stop eating stupid stuff that's doing you harm rather than take a pill to stop the symptoms which are your body's way of telling you something is something is wrong. If you drop a rock on your leg do you remove the rock or just take a painkiller and put a nice picture over the top of the rock so you can't see it? | |||
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"I don't see the point because some people have some great information and things that have helped them but everyone is just gonna say go to your doctor anyway so I don't think this is the place for it, if the community was more open minded and less mainstream it could work So, what you're advocating for is stuff that's got a lot of hype on the internet, rather than things that have been vetted by experts with appropriate thresholds of evidence? Cool. What could possibly go wrong? I'm 38 and have absolutely no health problems (I fixed them all myself) my mum has been on hundreds of pills her whole life and eats shit and she's been ill since I was about 10, recommending that people take pills to hide symptoms whilst they carry on eating half a loaf of kinsmill per day while drinking cola and eating cake and sitting at a desk or on the couch all day is insanity Ah. Anecdotes. These are the solution to all our societal problems. Give this person a Nobel Prize. I can play too. We should eliminate all standards. If your house collapses, it's not because it didn't adhere to those icky mainstream architectural standards bought for by Big Construction, it's because you didn't believe in fairies hard enough and the builder looked at a cake once! Yeah basically just stop eating stupid stuff that's doing you harm rather than take a pill to stop the symptoms which are your body's way of telling you something is something is wrong. If you drop a rock on your leg do you remove the rock or just take a painkiller and put a nice picture over the top of the rock so you can't see it?" I use my common sense and follow the evidence and the people who've spent decades of their lives learning how their subspeciality works, rather than random people on the internet. Tell me: when I developed hypothyroidism as a teenager (a skinny size 8, the same height I am now, in year round swimming squads, two dance classes, and cricket in the summer), which god should I have prayed to or goat should I have slaughtered to have avoided taking medication for the last 20-something years? (Please note: I'm going to keep taking my pills, because I wasn't dropped on my head as a child) | |||
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"I don't see the point because some people have some great information and things that have helped them but everyone is just gonna say go to your doctor anyway so I don't think this is the place for it, if the community was more open minded and less mainstream it could work So, what you're advocating for is stuff that's got a lot of hype on the internet, rather than things that have been vetted by experts with appropriate thresholds of evidence? Cool. What could possibly go wrong? I'm 38 and have absolutely no health problems (I fixed them all myself) my mum has been on hundreds of pills her whole life and eats shit and she's been ill since I was about 10, recommending that people take pills to hide symptoms whilst they carry on eating half a loaf of kinsmill per day while drinking cola and eating cake and sitting at a desk or on the couch all day is insanity Ah. Anecdotes. These are the solution to all our societal problems. Give this person a Nobel Prize. I can play too. We should eliminate all standards. If your house collapses, it's not because it didn't adhere to those icky mainstream architectural standards bought for by Big Construction, it's because you didn't believe in fairies hard enough and the builder looked at a cake once! Yeah basically just stop eating stupid stuff that's doing you harm rather than take a pill to stop the symptoms which are your body's way of telling you something is something is wrong. If you drop a rock on your leg do you remove the rock or just take a painkiller and put a nice picture over the top of the rock so you can't see it? I use my common sense and follow the evidence and the people who've spent decades of their lives learning how their subspeciality works, rather than random people on the internet. Tell me: when I developed hypothyroidism as a teenager (a skinny size 8, the same height I am now, in year round swimming squads, two dance classes, and cricket in the summer), which god should I have prayed to or goat should I have slaughtered to have avoided taking medication for the last 20-something years? (Please note: I'm going to keep taking my pills, because I wasn't dropped on my head as a child)" If you had got Dr Eric Osansky's book (not all doctors are just drug pushers, some actually cure disease) you would have been more likely to have given your body what it was asking for rather than just become a lifetime customer. My friend cured his thyroid problem with a clean diet and is pill free | |||
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"I don't see the point because some people have some great information and things that have helped them but everyone is just gonna say go to your doctor anyway so I don't think this is the place for it, if the community was more open minded and less mainstream it could work So, what you're advocating for is stuff that's got a lot of hype on the internet, rather than things that have been vetted by experts with appropriate thresholds of evidence? Cool. What could possibly go wrong? I'm 38 and have absolutely no health problems (I fixed them all myself) my mum has been on hundreds of pills her whole life and eats shit and she's been ill since I was about 10, recommending that people take pills to hide symptoms whilst they carry on eating half a loaf of kinsmill per day while drinking cola and eating cake and sitting at a desk or on the couch all day is insanity Ah. Anecdotes. These are the solution to all our societal problems. Give this person a Nobel Prize. I can play too. We should eliminate all standards. If your house collapses, it's not because it didn't adhere to those icky mainstream architectural standards bought for by Big Construction, it's because you didn't believe in fairies hard enough and the builder looked at a cake once! Yeah basically just stop eating stupid stuff that's doing you harm rather than take a pill to stop the symptoms which are your body's way of telling you something is something is wrong. If you drop a rock on your leg do you remove the rock or just take a painkiller and put a nice picture over the top of the rock so you can't see it? I use my common sense and follow the evidence and the people who've spent decades of their lives learning how their subspeciality works, rather than random people on the internet. Tell me: when I developed hypothyroidism as a teenager (a skinny size 8, the same height I am now, in year round swimming squads, two dance classes, and cricket in the summer), which god should I have prayed to or goat should I have slaughtered to have avoided taking medication for the last 20-something years? (Please note: I'm going to keep taking my pills, because I wasn't dropped on my head as a child) If you had got Dr Eric Osansky's book (not all doctors are just drug pushers, some actually cure disease) you would have been more likely to have given your body what it was asking for rather than just become a lifetime customer. My friend cured his thyroid problem with a clean diet and is pill free " Ah. So you're advocating big shill and big supplement. No thanks. I go with "the majority of experts in a field believe this" rather than "gimmicky saleperson who'll blame you for looking at a cake if things go wrong". Because amazing how whenever the magic protocol fails, it's never because of evidence it doesn't work, it's because the suckers do it wrong! (Did I say suckers? I mean patients. Only £99.99 to correct your errors, you flawed person!) | |||
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"Can I ask do you wild swim or do you swim in chlorine? Chlorine is absorbed pretty quickly and can affect the thyroid in different ways, mould is another common problem as is gluten " Oh!!!! So it was the fault of my parents for getting me swimming lessons as a child so I wouldn't drown, or you're implying they were unclean! If only they'd followed Dr Quack WitchDoctor! | |||
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"I don't see the point because some people have some great information and things that have helped them but everyone is just gonna say go to your doctor anyway so I don't think this is the place for it, if the community was more open minded and less mainstream it could work So, what you're advocating for is stuff that's got a lot of hype on the internet, rather than things that have been vetted by experts with appropriate thresholds of evidence? Cool. What could possibly go wrong? I'm 38 and have absolutely no health problems (I fixed them all myself) my mum has been on hundreds of pills her whole life and eats shit and she's been ill since I was about 10, recommending that people take pills to hide symptoms whilst they carry on eating half a loaf of kinsmill per day while drinking cola and eating cake and sitting at a desk or on the couch all day is insanity Ah. Anecdotes. These are the solution to all our societal problems. Give this person a Nobel Prize. I can play too. We should eliminate all standards. If your house collapses, it's not because it didn't adhere to those icky mainstream architectural standards bought for by Big Construction, it's because you didn't believe in fairies hard enough and the builder looked at a cake once! Yeah basically just stop eating stupid stuff that's doing you harm rather than take a pill to stop the symptoms which are your body's way of telling you something is something is wrong. If you drop a rock on your leg do you remove the rock or just take a painkiller and put a nice picture over the top of the rock so you can't see it? I use my common sense and follow the evidence and the people who've spent decades of their lives learning how their subspeciality works, rather than random people on the internet. Tell me: when I developed hypothyroidism as a teenager (a skinny size 8, the same height I am now, in year round swimming squads, two dance classes, and cricket in the summer), which god should I have prayed to or goat should I have slaughtered to have avoided taking medication for the last 20-something years? (Please note: I'm going to keep taking my pills, because I wasn't dropped on my head as a child) If you had got Dr Eric Osansky's book (not all doctors are just drug pushers, some actually cure disease) you would have been more likely to have given your body what it was asking for rather than just become a lifetime customer. My friend cured his thyroid problem with a clean diet and is pill free Ah. So you're advocating big shill and big supplement. No thanks. I go with "the majority of experts in a field believe this" rather than "gimmicky saleperson who'll blame you for looking at a cake if things go wrong". Because amazing how whenever the magic protocol fails, it's never because of evidence it doesn't work, it's because the suckers do it wrong! (Did I say suckers? I mean patients. Only £99.99 to correct your errors, you flawed person!)" Ummmmm he's a doctor but yeah ok if you don't want to believe that then you can think whatever you like, if you really don't want to give up cake and cola that's great you do you dude but some people are all about optimal health and if this were to be a health forum for people who want to really be healthy then you have proven my point for me perfectly. Do you think there we cakes and thyroid pills growing on trees when early humans were here? Of course not. People started getting sick because they started eating stupid stuff and bathing in chemicals whether that was chlorine in the pool or air freshener in their home or maybe they work with chemicals etc. | |||
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"It always goes this way. Don't follow mainstream medicine, it's flawed. The evidence is bought and paid for. Follow this protocol. If you have any health problems, it's because you weren't pure enough. Didn't try hard enough. Your parents fucked up and neglected you. It'll only take a purification course, a mere three thousand pounds and sacrificing three oxen to Zeus, and maybe you shall atone, you unworthy sinner. Don't look at the tree of knowledge. Only look at me. I am your god. Science is evil." All I'm saying is stop poisoning your body and your problems usually go away.... Mine did but it was probably more to do with my goat sacrifice to the fairy god than just not eating chemicals. Now who sounds ridiculous? | |||
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"I don't see the point because some people have some great information and things that have helped them but everyone is just gonna say go to your doctor anyway so I don't think this is the place for it, if the community was more open minded and less mainstream it could work So, what you're advocating for is stuff that's got a lot of hype on the internet, rather than things that have been vetted by experts with appropriate thresholds of evidence? Cool. What could possibly go wrong? I'm 38 and have absolutely no health problems (I fixed them all myself) my mum has been on hundreds of pills her whole life and eats shit and she's been ill since I was about 10, recommending that people take pills to hide symptoms whilst they carry on eating half a loaf of kinsmill per day while drinking cola and eating cake and sitting at a desk or on the couch all day is insanity Ah. Anecdotes. These are the solution to all our societal problems. Give this person a Nobel Prize. I can play too. We should eliminate all standards. If your house collapses, it's not because it didn't adhere to those icky mainstream architectural standards bought for by Big Construction, it's because you didn't believe in fairies hard enough and the builder looked at a cake once! Yeah basically just stop eating stupid stuff that's doing you harm rather than take a pill to stop the symptoms which are your body's way of telling you something is something is wrong. If you drop a rock on your leg do you remove the rock or just take a painkiller and put a nice picture over the top of the rock so you can't see it? I use my common sense and follow the evidence and the people who've spent decades of their lives learning how their subspeciality works, rather than random people on the internet. Tell me: when I developed hypothyroidism as a teenager (a skinny size 8, the same height I am now, in year round swimming squads, two dance classes, and cricket in the summer), which god should I have prayed to or goat should I have slaughtered to have avoided taking medication for the last 20-something years? (Please note: I'm going to keep taking my pills, because I wasn't dropped on my head as a child) If you had got Dr Eric Osansky's book (not all doctors are just drug pushers, some actually cure disease) you would have been more likely to have given your body what it was asking for rather than just become a lifetime customer. My friend cured his thyroid problem with a clean diet and is pill free Ah. So you're advocating big shill and big supplement. No thanks. I go with "the majority of experts in a field believe this" rather than "gimmicky saleperson who'll blame you for looking at a cake if things go wrong". Because amazing how whenever the magic protocol fails, it's never because of evidence it doesn't work, it's because the suckers do it wrong! (Did I say suckers? I mean patients. Only £99.99 to correct your errors, you flawed person!) Ummmmm he's a doctor but yeah ok if you don't want to believe that then you can think whatever you like, if you really don't want to give up cake and cola that's great you do you dude but some people are all about optimal health and if this were to be a health forum for people who want to really be healthy then you have proven my point for me perfectly. Do you think there we cakes and thyroid pills growing on trees when early humans were here? Of course not. People started getting sick because they started eating stupid stuff and bathing in chemicals whether that was chlorine in the pool or air freshener in their home or maybe they work with chemicals etc. " I didn't mention cake or cola. I mentioned being a teenager, very skinny, and involved in a lot of sport. It's fun that you can only defend your position by invoking something I never mentioned. And why should I trust that doctor over all the other doctors? The ones who've actually examined me over decades, the ones who've done the research that has been vetted by other doctors? Amazing how credentials are irrelevant and should be discarded as mainstream - except when it backs up your argument. Consistency. Nice. (I'm not dismissing credentials - my position is based on the scientific consensus) | |||
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"It always goes this way. Don't follow mainstream medicine, it's flawed. The evidence is bought and paid for. Follow this protocol. If you have any health problems, it's because you weren't pure enough. Didn't try hard enough. Your parents fucked up and neglected you. It'll only take a purification course, a mere three thousand pounds and sacrificing three oxen to Zeus, and maybe you shall atone, you unworthy sinner. Don't look at the tree of knowledge. Only look at me. I am your god. Science is evil. All I'm saying is stop poisoning your body and your problems usually go away.... Mine did but it was probably more to do with my goat sacrifice to the fairy god than just not eating chemicals. Now who sounds ridiculous?" You do. You have no idea what my diet is. I've never told you. You know that as a teenager I engaged in a bunch of physical activities and was very skinny, but developed a medical condition which I follow with conventional medical advice. On the basis of that you've recommended something very specific that is counter to nearly a quarter of a century of medical advice I've had. And have implied that my parents did something wrong or were unclean, because if they'd only followed your magic, this wouldn't have happened. I've just engaged in some hyperbole to get my point across. | |||
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"I don't see the point because some people have some great information and things that have helped them but everyone is just gonna say go to your doctor anyway so I don't think this is the place for it, if the community was more open minded and less mainstream it could work So, what you're advocating for is stuff that's got a lot of hype on the internet, rather than things that have been vetted by experts with appropriate thresholds of evidence? Cool. What could possibly go wrong? I'm 38 and have absolutely no health problems (I fixed them all myself) my mum has been on hundreds of pills her whole life and eats shit and she's been ill since I was about 10, recommending that people take pills to hide symptoms whilst they carry on eating half a loaf of kinsmill per day while drinking cola and eating cake and sitting at a desk or on the couch all day is insanity Ah. Anecdotes. These are the solution to all our societal problems. Give this person a Nobel Prize. I can play too. We should eliminate all standards. If your house collapses, it's not because it didn't adhere to those icky mainstream architectural standards bought for by Big Construction, it's because you didn't believe in fairies hard enough and the builder looked at a cake once! Yeah basically just stop eating stupid stuff that's doing you harm rather than take a pill to stop the symptoms which are your body's way of telling you something is something is wrong. If you drop a rock on your leg do you remove the rock or just take a painkiller and put a nice picture over the top of the rock so you can't see it? I use my common sense and follow the evidence and the people who've spent decades of their lives learning how their subspeciality works, rather than random people on the internet. Tell me: when I developed hypothyroidism as a teenager (a skinny size 8, the same height I am now, in year round swimming squads, two dance classes, and cricket in the summer), which god should I have prayed to or goat should I have slaughtered to have avoided taking medication for the last 20-something years? (Please note: I'm going to keep taking my pills, because I wasn't dropped on my head as a child) If you had got Dr Eric Osansky's book (not all doctors are just drug pushers, some actually cure disease) you would have been more likely to have given your body what it was asking for rather than just become a lifetime customer. My friend cured his thyroid problem with a clean diet and is pill free Ah. So you're advocating big shill and big supplement. No thanks. I go with "the majority of experts in a field believe this" rather than "gimmicky saleperson who'll blame you for looking at a cake if things go wrong". Because amazing how whenever the magic protocol fails, it's never because of evidence it doesn't work, it's because the suckers do it wrong! (Did I say suckers? I mean patients. Only £99.99 to correct your errors, you flawed person!) Ummmmm he's a doctor but yeah ok if you don't want to believe that then you can think whatever you like, if you really don't want to give up cake and cola that's great you do you dude but some people are all about optimal health and if this were to be a health forum for people who want to really be healthy then you have proven my point for me perfectly. Do you think there we cakes and thyroid pills growing on trees when early humans were here? Of course not. People started getting sick because they started eating stupid stuff and bathing in chemicals whether that was chlorine in the pool or air freshener in their home or maybe they work with chemicals etc. I didn't mention cake or cola. I mentioned being a teenager, very skinny, and involved in a lot of sport. It's fun that you can only defend your position by invoking something I never mentioned. And why should I trust that doctor over all the other doctors? The ones who've actually examined me over decades, the ones who've done the research that has been vetted by other doctors? Amazing how credentials are irrelevant and should be discarded as mainstream - except when it backs up your argument. Consistency. Nice. (I'm not dismissing credentials - my position is based on the scientific consensus)" So you've been going to them for decades and they haven't cured your condition but the doctor who my friend took advice from cured him in 3 months and I'm the idiot? I think your reasoning is flawed here | |||
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"It always goes this way. Don't follow mainstream medicine, it's flawed. The evidence is bought and paid for. Follow this protocol. If you have any health problems, it's because you weren't pure enough. Didn't try hard enough. Your parents fucked up and neglected you. It'll only take a purification course, a mere three thousand pounds and sacrificing three oxen to Zeus, and maybe you shall atone, you unworthy sinner. Don't look at the tree of knowledge. Only look at me. I am your god. Science is evil. All I'm saying is stop poisoning your body and your problems usually go away.... Mine did but it was probably more to do with my goat sacrifice to the fairy god than just not eating chemicals. Now who sounds ridiculous? You do. You have no idea what my diet is. I've never told you. You know that as a teenager I engaged in a bunch of physical activities and was very skinny, but developed a medical condition which I follow with conventional medical advice. On the basis of that you've recommended something very specific that is counter to nearly a quarter of a century of medical advice I've had. And have implied that my parents did something wrong or were unclean, because if they'd only followed your magic, this wouldn't have happened. I've just engaged in some hyperbole to get my point across." iv never mentioned your parents hygiene lol and there is no magic | |||
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"It always goes this way. Don't follow mainstream medicine, it's flawed. The evidence is bought and paid for. Follow this protocol. If you have any health problems, it's because you weren't pure enough. Didn't try hard enough. Your parents fucked up and neglected you. It'll only take a purification course, a mere three thousand pounds and sacrificing three oxen to Zeus, and maybe you shall atone, you unworthy sinner. Don't look at the tree of knowledge. Only look at me. I am your god. Science is evil. All I'm saying is stop poisoning your body and your problems usually go away.... Mine did but it was probably more to do with my goat sacrifice to the fairy god than just not eating chemicals. Now who sounds ridiculous? You do. You have no idea what my diet is. I've never told you. You know that as a teenager I engaged in a bunch of physical activities and was very skinny, but developed a medical condition which I follow with conventional medical advice. On the basis of that you've recommended something very specific that is counter to nearly a quarter of a century of medical advice I've had. And have implied that my parents did something wrong or were unclean, because if they'd only followed your magic, this wouldn't have happened. I've just engaged in some hyperbole to get my point across. iv never mentioned your parents hygiene lol and there is no magic " Mould. So do tell me. How does diet make a thyroid rebuild itself? Because mine's dead. Woooo. Reincarnation. Sounds pretty fucking magical to me | |||
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"I don't see the point because some people have some great information and things that have helped them but everyone is just gonna say go to your doctor anyway so I don't think this is the place for it, if the community was more open minded and less mainstream it could work So, what you're advocating for is stuff that's got a lot of hype on the internet, rather than things that have been vetted by experts with appropriate thresholds of evidence? Cool. What could possibly go wrong? I'm 38 and have absolutely no health problems (I fixed them all myself) my mum has been on hundreds of pills her whole life and eats shit and she's been ill since I was about 10, recommending that people take pills to hide symptoms whilst they carry on eating half a loaf of kinsmill per day while drinking cola and eating cake and sitting at a desk or on the couch all day is insanity Ah. Anecdotes. These are the solution to all our societal problems. Give this person a Nobel Prize. I can play too. We should eliminate all standards. If your house collapses, it's not because it didn't adhere to those icky mainstream architectural standards bought for by Big Construction, it's because you didn't believe in fairies hard enough and the builder looked at a cake once! Yeah basically just stop eating stupid stuff that's doing you harm rather than take a pill to stop the symptoms which are your body's way of telling you something is something is wrong. If you drop a rock on your leg do you remove the rock or just take a painkiller and put a nice picture over the top of the rock so you can't see it? I use my common sense and follow the evidence and the people who've spent decades of their lives learning how their subspeciality works, rather than random people on the internet. Tell me: when I developed hypothyroidism as a teenager (a skinny size 8, the same height I am now, in year round swimming squads, two dance classes, and cricket in the summer), which god should I have prayed to or goat should I have slaughtered to have avoided taking medication for the last 20-something years? (Please note: I'm going to keep taking my pills, because I wasn't dropped on my head as a child) If you had got Dr Eric Osansky's book (not all doctors are just drug pushers, some actually cure disease) you would have been more likely to have given your body what it was asking for rather than just become a lifetime customer. My friend cured his thyroid problem with a clean diet and is pill free Ah. So you're advocating big shill and big supplement. No thanks. I go with "the majority of experts in a field believe this" rather than "gimmicky saleperson who'll blame you for looking at a cake if things go wrong". Because amazing how whenever the magic protocol fails, it's never because of evidence it doesn't work, it's because the suckers do it wrong! (Did I say suckers? I mean patients. Only £99.99 to correct your errors, you flawed person!) Ummmmm he's a doctor but yeah ok if you don't want to believe that then you can think whatever you like, if you really don't want to give up cake and cola that's great you do you dude but some people are all about optimal health and if this were to be a health forum for people who want to really be healthy then you have proven my point for me perfectly. Do you think there we cakes and thyroid pills growing on trees when early humans were here? Of course not. People started getting sick because they started eating stupid stuff and bathing in chemicals whether that was chlorine in the pool or air freshener in their home or maybe they work with chemicals etc. I didn't mention cake or cola. I mentioned being a teenager, very skinny, and involved in a lot of sport. It's fun that you can only defend your position by invoking something I never mentioned. And why should I trust that doctor over all the other doctors? The ones who've actually examined me over decades, the ones who've done the research that has been vetted by other doctors? Amazing how credentials are irrelevant and should be discarded as mainstream - except when it backs up your argument. Consistency. Nice. (I'm not dismissing credentials - my position is based on the scientific consensus) So you've been going to them for decades and they haven't cured your condition but the doctor who my friend took advice from cured him in 3 months and I'm the idiot? I think your reasoning is flawed here" 1. Not all thyroid conditions are the same 2. I have no evidence that your friend exists 3. Even if I did, I have no idea what his status actually is, just what he or you might believe about it. (I don't really care, either, because it has little or nothing to do with my condition) 4. I've seen no evidence that your protocol does anything - and you'd best believe that I want gold standard evidence before engaging in any treatment. 5. I find it difficult to take seriously advice that is laden with recommendations and condemnations that have nothing to do with my situation or any of the facts that you've been presented with. 6. On the basis of believing my own personalised medical advice over some random internet chatter, no, I don't believe my reasoning is flawed. | |||
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"I don't see the point because some people have some great information and things that have helped them but everyone is just gonna say go to your doctor anyway so I don't think this is the place for it, if the community was more open minded and less mainstream it could work So, what you're advocating for is stuff that's got a lot of hype on the internet, rather than things that have been vetted by experts with appropriate thresholds of evidence? Cool. What could possibly go wrong? I'm 38 and have absolutely no health problems (I fixed them all myself) my mum has been on hundreds of pills her whole life and eats shit and she's been ill since I was about 10, recommending that people take pills to hide symptoms whilst they carry on eating half a loaf of kinsmill per day while drinking cola and eating cake and sitting at a desk or on the couch all day is insanity Ah. Anecdotes. These are the solution to all our societal problems. Give this person a Nobel Prize. I can play too. We should eliminate all standards. If your house collapses, it's not because it didn't adhere to those icky mainstream architectural standards bought for by Big Construction, it's because you didn't believe in fairies hard enough and the builder looked at a cake once! Yeah basically just stop eating stupid stuff that's doing you harm rather than take a pill to stop the symptoms which are your body's way of telling you something is something is wrong. If you drop a rock on your leg do you remove the rock or just take a painkiller and put a nice picture over the top of the rock so you can't see it? I use my common sense and follow the evidence and the people who've spent decades of their lives learning how their subspeciality works, rather than random people on the internet. Tell me: when I developed hypothyroidism as a teenager (a skinny size 8, the same height I am now, in year round swimming squads, two dance classes, and cricket in the summer), which god should I have prayed to or goat should I have slaughtered to have avoided taking medication for the last 20-something years? (Please note: I'm going to keep taking my pills, because I wasn't dropped on my head as a child) If you had got Dr Eric Osansky's book (not all doctors are just drug pushers, some actually cure disease) you would have been more likely to have given your body what it was asking for rather than just become a lifetime customer. My friend cured his thyroid problem with a clean diet and is pill free " A lifetime customer of whom? | |||
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"I don't see the point because some people have some great information and things that have helped them but everyone is just gonna say go to your doctor anyway so I don't think this is the place for it, if the community was more open minded and less mainstream it could work So, what you're advocating for is stuff that's got a lot of hype on the internet, rather than things that have been vetted by experts with appropriate thresholds of evidence? Cool. What could possibly go wrong? I'm 38 and have absolutely no health problems (I fixed them all myself) my mum has been on hundreds of pills her whole life and eats shit and she's been ill since I was about 10, recommending that people take pills to hide symptoms whilst they carry on eating half a loaf of kinsmill per day while drinking cola and eating cake and sitting at a desk or on the couch all day is insanity Ah. Anecdotes. These are the solution to all our societal problems. Give this person a Nobel Prize. I can play too. We should eliminate all standards. If your house collapses, it's not because it didn't adhere to those icky mainstream architectural standards bought for by Big Construction, it's because you didn't believe in fairies hard enough and the builder looked at a cake once! Yeah basically just stop eating stupid stuff that's doing you harm rather than take a pill to stop the symptoms which are your body's way of telling you something is something is wrong. If you drop a rock on your leg do you remove the rock or just take a painkiller and put a nice picture over the top of the rock so you can't see it? I use my common sense and follow the evidence and the people who've spent decades of their lives learning how their subspeciality works, rather than random people on the internet. Tell me: when I developed hypothyroidism as a teenager (a skinny size 8, the same height I am now, in year round swimming squads, two dance classes, and cricket in the summer), which god should I have prayed to or goat should I have slaughtered to have avoided taking medication for the last 20-something years? (Please note: I'm going to keep taking my pills, because I wasn't dropped on my head as a child) If you had got Dr Eric Osansky's book (not all doctors are just drug pushers, some actually cure disease) you would have been more likely to have given your body what it was asking for rather than just become a lifetime customer. My friend cured his thyroid problem with a clean diet and is pill free A lifetime customer of whom?" Big Pharma probably. When I was last paying a proportion of what my medication cost/ dispensing pills (rather than the English flat rate), a year's pills at the maximum dose for any human was about £10 (approx currency conversion rate). Shit's been generic for decades
I'm hardly making Bill Gates masturbate with greed over here.
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"I don't see the point because some people have some great information and things that have helped them but everyone is just gonna say go to your doctor anyway so I don't think this is the place for it, if the community was more open minded and less mainstream it could work So, what you're advocating for is stuff that's got a lot of hype on the internet, rather than things that have been vetted by experts with appropriate thresholds of evidence? Cool. What could possibly go wrong? I'm 38 and have absolutely no health problems (I fixed them all myself) my mum has been on hundreds of pills her whole life and eats shit and she's been ill since I was about 10, recommending that people take pills to hide symptoms whilst they carry on eating half a loaf of kinsmill per day while drinking cola and eating cake and sitting at a desk or on the couch all day is insanity Ah. Anecdotes. These are the solution to all our societal problems. Give this person a Nobel Prize. I can play too. We should eliminate all standards. If your house collapses, it's not because it didn't adhere to those icky mainstream architectural standards bought for by Big Construction, it's because you didn't believe in fairies hard enough and the builder looked at a cake once! Yeah basically just stop eating stupid stuff that's doing you harm rather than take a pill to stop the symptoms which are your body's way of telling you something is something is wrong. If you drop a rock on your leg do you remove the rock or just take a painkiller and put a nice picture over the top of the rock so you can't see it? I use my common sense and follow the evidence and the people who've spent decades of their lives learning how their subspeciality works, rather than random people on the internet. Tell me: when I developed hypothyroidism as a teenager (a skinny size 8, the same height I am now, in year round swimming squads, two dance classes, and cricket in the summer), which god should I have prayed to or goat should I have slaughtered to have avoided taking medication for the last 20-something years? (Please note: I'm going to keep taking my pills, because I wasn't dropped on my head as a child) If you had got Dr Eric Osansky's book (not all doctors are just drug pushers, some actually cure disease) you would have been more likely to have given your body what it was asking for rather than just become a lifetime customer. My friend cured his thyroid problem with a clean diet and is pill free A lifetime customer of whom? Big Pharma probably. When I was last paying a proportion of what my medication cost/ dispensing pills (rather than the English flat rate), a year's pills at the maximum dose for any human was about £10 (approx currency conversion rate). Shit's been generic for decades
I'm hardly making Bill Gates masturbate with greed over here.
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"Mould exposure could have happened at school, a friends house, somewhere you were playing or anywhere so stop jumping to conclusions, I did NOT say your parents were unclean. No they're not all the same and his way autoimmune however there are common toxins that causes thyroid problems. If you weren't so irrate and swearing at me and you were actually interested I would happily arrange for you to speak to him. I haven't given you a protocol I just asked if you frequently were exposed to a few common toxins. I'm not telling you to take my recommendation all I done was inform you that other ways exist and mentioned a doctor who has helped people in your situation. Your docs have still been doing the same thing for decades and you still have the condition no matter what you think of me. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity " I'm not interested, thank you. I have been following medical advice, which has been the same since some of my great-grandparents had the condition, because this autoimmune disease isn't reversible. And I'm sure my great-grandparents were stuffing their faces with cake and cola while raising a dozen children on a barely over subsistence farm in depression era Australia, sitting on the couch and watching the tellybox (that my parents remember getting for the first time, let's forget my great-grandparents )
If your friend believes it works for him, that's great.
As for me - this is why a health forum on Fab is a terrible idea. Too many people who think they're too kool 4 skool giving fucking awful advice about stuff that isn't in their lane, and assuming that the reasons others have health problems is because they didn't eat clean enough or whatever. | |||
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"Mould exposure could have happened at school, a friends house, somewhere you were playing or anywhere so stop jumping to conclusions, I did NOT say your parents were unclean. No they're not all the same and his way autoimmune however there are common toxins that causes thyroid problems. If you weren't so irrate and swearing at me and you were actually interested I would happily arrange for you to speak to him. I haven't given you a protocol I just asked if you frequently were exposed to a few common toxins. I'm not telling you to take my recommendation all I done was inform you that other ways exist and mentioned a doctor who has helped people in your situation. Your docs have still been doing the same thing for decades and you still have the condition no matter what you think of me. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity I'm not interested, thank you. I have been following medical advice, which has been the same since some of my great-grandparents had the condition, because this autoimmune disease isn't reversible. And I'm sure my great-grandparents were stuffing their faces with cake and cola while raising a dozen children on a barely over subsistence farm in depression era Australia, sitting on the couch and watching the tellybox (that my parents remember getting for the first time, let's forget my great-grandparents )
If your friend believes it works for him, that's great.
As for me - this is why a health forum on Fab is a terrible idea. Too many people who think they're too kool 4 skool giving fucking awful advice about stuff that isn't in their lane, and assuming that the reasons others have health problems is because they didn't eat clean enough or whatever."Oh the offer isn't there don't worry. Well they probably all ate gluten which was hybridised in the 1950's and ok I'll tell all the people who cured themselves that they're just imagining it | |||
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"Mould exposure could have happened at school, a friends house, somewhere you were playing or anywhere so stop jumping to conclusions, I did NOT say your parents were unclean. No they're not all the same and his way autoimmune however there are common toxins that causes thyroid problems. If you weren't so irrate and swearing at me and you were actually interested I would happily arrange for you to speak to him. I haven't given you a protocol I just asked if you frequently were exposed to a few common toxins. I'm not telling you to take my recommendation all I done was inform you that other ways exist and mentioned a doctor who has helped people in your situation. Your docs have still been doing the same thing for decades and you still have the condition no matter what you think of me. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity I'm not interested, thank you. I have been following medical advice, which has been the same since some of my great-grandparents had the condition, because this autoimmune disease isn't reversible. And I'm sure my great-grandparents were stuffing their faces with cake and cola while raising a dozen children on a barely over subsistence farm in depression era Australia, sitting on the couch and watching the tellybox (that my parents remember getting for the first time, let's forget my great-grandparents )
If your friend believes it works for him, that's great.
As for me - this is why a health forum on Fab is a terrible idea. Too many people who think they're too kool 4 skool giving fucking awful advice about stuff that isn't in their lane, and assuming that the reasons others have health problems is because they didn't eat clean enough or whatever.
Oh the offer isn't there don't worry.
Well they probably all ate gluten which was hybridised in the 1950's and ok I'll tell all the people who cured themselves that they're just imagining it "Ah. The time travelling gluten. (Note the time period of the Great Depression, and note that the 1950s is after it) I thought the benefit of non mainstream medicine was the personalised advice, tailored just for you, rather than the generic stuff thrown out that doesn't meet your specific needs? Not even getting the decade of the Great Depression right is hardly personalised... and doesn't bode well for a grasp on evidence. | |||
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"Mould exposure could have happened at school, a friends house, somewhere you were playing or anywhere so stop jumping to conclusions, I did NOT say your parents were unclean. No they're not all the same and his way autoimmune however there are common toxins that causes thyroid problems. If you weren't so irrate and swearing at me and you were actually interested I would happily arrange for you to speak to him. I haven't given you a protocol I just asked if you frequently were exposed to a few common toxins. I'm not telling you to take my recommendation all I done was inform you that other ways exist and mentioned a doctor who has helped people in your situation. Your docs have still been doing the same thing for decades and you still have the condition no matter what you think of me. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity I'm not interested, thank you. I have been following medical advice, which has been the same since some of my great-grandparents had the condition, because this autoimmune disease isn't reversible. And I'm sure my great-grandparents were stuffing their faces with cake and cola while raising a dozen children on a barely over subsistence farm in depression era Australia, sitting on the couch and watching the tellybox (that my parents remember getting for the first time, let's forget my great-grandparents )
If your friend believes it works for him, that's great.
As for me - this is why a health forum on Fab is a terrible idea. Too many people who think they're too kool 4 skool giving fucking awful advice about stuff that isn't in their lane, and assuming that the reasons others have health problems is because they didn't eat clean enough or whatever."I think one of the problems with people who think they can trace (and therefore cure) any illness back to something the person suffering from it has done wrong, is that they are too scared of living in a world where people get sick and die through no fault of their own, from pure bad luck. That they can live the healthiest possible life and still get sick and die. Why? Because life’s unpredictable, uncontrollable, and unfair. | |||
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"Mould exposure could have happened at school, a friends house, somewhere you were playing or anywhere so stop jumping to conclusions, I did NOT say your parents were unclean. No they're not all the same and his way autoimmune however there are common toxins that causes thyroid problems. If you weren't so irrate and swearing at me and you were actually interested I would happily arrange for you to speak to him. I haven't given you a protocol I just asked if you frequently were exposed to a few common toxins. I'm not telling you to take my recommendation all I done was inform you that other ways exist and mentioned a doctor who has helped people in your situation. Your docs have still been doing the same thing for decades and you still have the condition no matter what you think of me. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity I'm not interested, thank you. I have been following medical advice, which has been the same since some of my great-grandparents had the condition, because this autoimmune disease isn't reversible. And I'm sure my great-grandparents were stuffing their faces with cake and cola while raising a dozen children on a barely over subsistence farm in depression era Australia, sitting on the couch and watching the tellybox (that my parents remember getting for the first time, let's forget my great-grandparents )
If your friend believes it works for him, that's great.
As for me - this is why a health forum on Fab is a terrible idea. Too many people who think they're too kool 4 skool giving fucking awful advice about stuff that isn't in their lane, and assuming that the reasons others have health problems is because they didn't eat clean enough or whatever.
Oh the offer isn't there don't worry.
Well they probably all ate gluten which was hybridised in the 1950's and ok I'll tell all the people who cured themselves that they're just imagining it
Ah. The time travelling gluten. (Note the time period of the Great Depression, and note that the 1950s is after it)
I thought the benefit of non mainstream medicine was the personalised advice, tailored just for you, rather than the generic stuff thrown out that doesn't meet your specific needs?
Not even getting the decade of the Great Depression right is hardly personalised... and doesn't bode well for a grasp on evidence."I never studied the great depression I spent all my time reading about health. So you're whole family had the same condition and never managed to fix it? Genetics load the gun but lifestyle pulls the trigger. There's nothing personal about giving everyone synthetic thyroid hormones either lol gluten is a common cause of all autoimmune. Off to sacrifice another goat, have fun | |||
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"Mould exposure could have happened at school, a friends house, somewhere you were playing or anywhere so stop jumping to conclusions, I did NOT say your parents were unclean. No they're not all the same and his way autoimmune however there are common toxins that causes thyroid problems. If you weren't so irrate and swearing at me and you were actually interested I would happily arrange for you to speak to him. I haven't given you a protocol I just asked if you frequently were exposed to a few common toxins. I'm not telling you to take my recommendation all I done was inform you that other ways exist and mentioned a doctor who has helped people in your situation. Your docs have still been doing the same thing for decades and you still have the condition no matter what you think of me. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity I'm not interested, thank you. I have been following medical advice, which has been the same since some of my great-grandparents had the condition, because this autoimmune disease isn't reversible. And I'm sure my great-grandparents were stuffing their faces with cake and cola while raising a dozen children on a barely over subsistence farm in depression era Australia, sitting on the couch and watching the tellybox (that my parents remember getting for the first time, let's forget my great-grandparents )
If your friend believes it works for him, that's great.
As for me - this is why a health forum on Fab is a terrible idea. Too many people who think they're too kool 4 skool giving fucking awful advice about stuff that isn't in their lane, and assuming that the reasons others have health problems is because they didn't eat clean enough or whatever.
I think one of the problems with people who think they can trace (and therefore cure) any illness back to something the person suffering from it has done wrong, is that they are too scared of living in a world where people get sick and die through no fault of their own, from pure bad luck. That they can live the healthiest possible life and still get sick and die. Why? Because life’s unpredictable, uncontrollable, and unfair."Yes. It's just superstition dressed up. Worse of all - the practitioners are preying on the decline in trust in institutions. Why did regulations come about for medications? Because of snake oil salesmen. This is a pejorative term these days, but it comes from the days when people bottled up... god knows what, really, and said that it was a magical elixir, oil from the finest snakes, and it'd cure (insert anything here). There's been a divide between the standards required for pharmaceuticals and alternative regimens, not just testing but also purity. And there's this cultural battlecry that the evidence is part of the global elite something or other. I genuinely see no difference between "trust This Person on the internet and their book" (or their supplements which may or may not have any oversight) and the old snake oil salesman techniques that resulted in crackdowns on medicinal claims. We're regressing. | |||
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"Mould exposure could have happened at school, a friends house, somewhere you were playing or anywhere so stop jumping to conclusions, I did NOT say your parents were unclean. No they're not all the same and his way autoimmune however there are common toxins that causes thyroid problems. If you weren't so irrate and swearing at me and you were actually interested I would happily arrange for you to speak to him. I haven't given you a protocol I just asked if you frequently were exposed to a few common toxins. I'm not telling you to take my recommendation all I done was inform you that other ways exist and mentioned a doctor who has helped people in your situation. Your docs have still been doing the same thing for decades and you still have the condition no matter what you think of me. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity I'm not interested, thank you. I have been following medical advice, which has been the same since some of my great-grandparents had the condition, because this autoimmune disease isn't reversible. And I'm sure my great-grandparents were stuffing their faces with cake and cola while raising a dozen children on a barely over subsistence farm in depression era Australia, sitting on the couch and watching the tellybox (that my parents remember getting for the first time, let's forget my great-grandparents )
If your friend believes it works for him, that's great.
As for me - this is why a health forum on Fab is a terrible idea. Too many people who think they're too kool 4 skool giving fucking awful advice about stuff that isn't in their lane, and assuming that the reasons others have health problems is because they didn't eat clean enough or whatever.
Oh the offer isn't there don't worry.
Well they probably all ate gluten which was hybridised in the 1950's and ok I'll tell all the people who cured themselves that they're just imagining it
Ah. The time travelling gluten. (Note the time period of the Great Depression, and note that the 1950s is after it)
I thought the benefit of non mainstream medicine was the personalised advice, tailored just for you, rather than the generic stuff thrown out that doesn't meet your specific needs?
Not even getting the decade of the Great Depression right is hardly personalised... and doesn't bode well for a grasp on evidence.
I never studied the great depression I spent all my time reading about health. So you're whole family had the same condition and never managed to fix it? Genetics load the gun but lifestyle pulls the trigger. There's nothing personal about giving everyone synthetic thyroid hormones either lol gluten is a common cause of all autoimmune. Off to sacrifice another goat, have fun "You don't know... basic historical dates? Hmm. Fascinating. I'd say that testing my blood and giving me a dose that's indicated by my symptoms and levels is a bit more personal than telling my great grandparents to stop eating gluten from the future
... btw. Just so you know. Synthetic thyroid hormone was invented in the 1950s. My great-grandparents only took that later. Hope this helps | |||
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"Mould exposure could have happened at school, a friends house, somewhere you were playing or anywhere so stop jumping to conclusions, I did NOT say your parents were unclean. No they're not all the same and his way autoimmune however there are common toxins that causes thyroid problems. If you weren't so irrate and swearing at me and you were actually interested I would happily arrange for you to speak to him. I haven't given you a protocol I just asked if you frequently were exposed to a few common toxins. I'm not telling you to take my recommendation all I done was inform you that other ways exist and mentioned a doctor who has helped people in your situation. Your docs have still been doing the same thing for decades and you still have the condition no matter what you think of me. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity I'm not interested, thank you. I have been following medical advice, which has been the same since some of my great-grandparents had the condition, because this autoimmune disease isn't reversible. And I'm sure my great-grandparents were stuffing their faces with cake and cola while raising a dozen children on a barely over subsistence farm in depression era Australia, sitting on the couch and watching the tellybox (that my parents remember getting for the first time, let's forget my great-grandparents )
If your friend believes it works for him, that's great.
As for me - this is why a health forum on Fab is a terrible idea. Too many people who think they're too kool 4 skool giving fucking awful advice about stuff that isn't in their lane, and assuming that the reasons others have health problems is because they didn't eat clean enough or whatever.
I think one of the problems with people who think they can trace (and therefore cure) any illness back to something the person suffering from it has done wrong, is that they are too scared of living in a world where people get sick and die through no fault of their own, from pure bad luck. That they can live the healthiest possible life and still get sick and die. Why? Because life’s unpredictable, uncontrollable, and unfair.
Yes. It's just superstition dressed up.
Worse of all - the practitioners are preying on the decline in trust in institutions. Why did regulations come about for medications? Because of snake oil salesmen. This is a pejorative term these days, but it comes from the days when people bottled up... god knows what, really, and said that it was a magical elixir, oil from the finest snakes, and it'd cure (insert anything here).
There's been a divide between the standards required for pharmaceuticals and alternative regimens, not just testing but also purity. And there's this cultural battlecry that the evidence is part of the global elite something or other.
I genuinely see no difference between "trust This Person on the internet and their book" (or their supplements which may or may not have any oversight) and the old snake oil salesman techniques that resulted in crackdowns on medicinal claims. We're regressing."I think a lot of the suspicion is due to the US health system, where it does actually pay doctors to prescribe certain medications, or that there are only certain medications available to prescribe, because it’s not a health system, it’s a moneymaking system that is based around healthcare. So in the case of the US it’s understandable, to a point. Sadly though, it’s polluted the rest of the world and we have ‘critical thinkers’ who believe they know better than doctors because they’ve watched some monetised videos on a YouTube channel, or read a book (that the author earns money from) yet think they are somehow smarter than the ‘sheeple’. | |||
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"Mould exposure could have happened at school, a friends house, somewhere you were playing or anywhere so stop jumping to conclusions, I did NOT say your parents were unclean. No they're not all the same and his way autoimmune however there are common toxins that causes thyroid problems. If you weren't so irrate and swearing at me and you were actually interested I would happily arrange for you to speak to him. I haven't given you a protocol I just asked if you frequently were exposed to a few common toxins. I'm not telling you to take my recommendation all I done was inform you that other ways exist and mentioned a doctor who has helped people in your situation. Your docs have still been doing the same thing for decades and you still have the condition no matter what you think of me. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity I'm not interested, thank you. I have been following medical advice, which has been the same since some of my great-grandparents had the condition, because this autoimmune disease isn't reversible. And I'm sure my great-grandparents were stuffing their faces with cake and cola while raising a dozen children on a barely over subsistence farm in depression era Australia, sitting on the couch and watching the tellybox (that my parents remember getting for the first time, let's forget my great-grandparents )
If your friend believes it works for him, that's great.
As for me - this is why a health forum on Fab is a terrible idea. Too many people who think they're too kool 4 skool giving fucking awful advice about stuff that isn't in their lane, and assuming that the reasons others have health problems is because they didn't eat clean enough or whatever.
I think one of the problems with people who think they can trace (and therefore cure) any illness back to something the person suffering from it has done wrong, is that they are too scared of living in a world where people get sick and die through no fault of their own, from pure bad luck. That they can live the healthiest possible life and still get sick and die. Why? Because life’s unpredictable, uncontrollable, and unfair.
Yes. It's just superstition dressed up.
Worse of all - the practitioners are preying on the decline in trust in institutions. Why did regulations come about for medications? Because of snake oil salesmen. This is a pejorative term these days, but it comes from the days when people bottled up... god knows what, really, and said that it was a magical elixir, oil from the finest snakes, and it'd cure (insert anything here).
There's been a divide between the standards required for pharmaceuticals and alternative regimens, not just testing but also purity. And there's this cultural battlecry that the evidence is part of the global elite something or other.
I genuinely see no difference between "trust This Person on the internet and their book" (or their supplements which may or may not have any oversight) and the old snake oil salesman techniques that resulted in crackdowns on medicinal claims. We're regressing.
I think a lot of the suspicion is due to the US health system, where it does actually pay doctors to prescribe certain medications, or that there are only certain medications available to prescribe, because it’s not a health system, it’s a moneymaking system that is based around healthcare. So in the case of the US it’s understandable, to a point.
Sadly though, it’s polluted the rest of the world and we have ‘critical thinkers’ who believe they know better than doctors because they’ve watched some monetised videos on a YouTube channel, or read a book (that the author earns money from) yet think they are somehow smarter than the ‘sheeple’."Agreed. I think the decline in trust is broader, and people are looking for something to blame. But rather than actually asking difficult questions, they cling onto narratives. The Big Pharma wank is kinda fun, and American voices are loud because of their numbers and cultural dominance over our media. | |||
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"Mould exposure could have happened at school, a friends house, somewhere you were playing or anywhere so stop jumping to conclusions, I did NOT say your parents were unclean. No they're not all the same and his way autoimmune however there are common toxins that causes thyroid problems. If you weren't so irrate and swearing at me and you were actually interested I would happily arrange for you to speak to him. I haven't given you a protocol I just asked if you frequently were exposed to a few common toxins. I'm not telling you to take my recommendation all I done was inform you that other ways exist and mentioned a doctor who has helped people in your situation. Your docs have still been doing the same thing for decades and you still have the condition no matter what you think of me. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity I'm not interested, thank you. I have been following medical advice, which has been the same since some of my great-grandparents had the condition, because this autoimmune disease isn't reversible. And I'm sure my great-grandparents were stuffing their faces with cake and cola while raising a dozen children on a barely over subsistence farm in depression era Australia, sitting on the couch and watching the tellybox (that my parents remember getting for the first time, let's forget my great-grandparents )
If your friend believes it works for him, that's great.
As for me - this is why a health forum on Fab is a terrible idea. Too many people who think they're too kool 4 skool giving fucking awful advice about stuff that isn't in their lane, and assuming that the reasons others have health problems is because they didn't eat clean enough or whatever.
I think one of the problems with people who think they can trace (and therefore cure) any illness back to something the person suffering from it has done wrong, is that they are too scared of living in a world where people get sick and die through no fault of their own, from pure bad luck. That they can live the healthiest possible life and still get sick and die. Why? Because life’s unpredictable, uncontrollable, and unfair."This, once again, is the Just-World Fallacy. I've brought it up on here at least once before. Nobody wanted to know, of course. | |||
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"Mould exposure could have happened at school, a friends house, somewhere you were playing or anywhere so stop jumping to conclusions, I did NOT say your parents were unclean. No they're not all the same and his way autoimmune however there are common toxins that causes thyroid problems. If you weren't so irrate and swearing at me and you were actually interested I would happily arrange for you to speak to him. I haven't given you a protocol I just asked if you frequently were exposed to a few common toxins. I'm not telling you to take my recommendation all I done was inform you that other ways exist and mentioned a doctor who has helped people in your situation. Your docs have still been doing the same thing for decades and you still have the condition no matter what you think of me. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity I'm not interested, thank you. I have been following medical advice, which has been the same since some of my great-grandparents had the condition, because this autoimmune disease isn't reversible. And I'm sure my great-grandparents were stuffing their faces with cake and cola while raising a dozen children on a barely over subsistence farm in depression era Australia, sitting on the couch and watching the tellybox (that my parents remember getting for the first time, let's forget my great-grandparents )
If your friend believes it works for him, that's great.
As for me - this is why a health forum on Fab is a terrible idea. Too many people who think they're too kool 4 skool giving fucking awful advice about stuff that isn't in their lane, and assuming that the reasons others have health problems is because they didn't eat clean enough or whatever.
I think one of the problems with people who think they can trace (and therefore cure) any illness back to something the person suffering from it has done wrong, is that they are too scared of living in a world where people get sick and die through no fault of their own, from pure bad luck. That they can live the healthiest possible life and still get sick and die. Why? Because life’s unpredictable, uncontrollable, and unfair.
This, once again, is the Just-World Fallacy. I've brought it up on here at least once before. Nobody wanted to know, of course. "It's the same as with many crimes. If you displace it (what were you wearing, did you leave your purse out, did you provoke him, why did you park your nice car there, etc - note that none of these have to be gendered) it won't happen to you, because you don't deserve it. Life isn't fair. Sucks, but it is. Does this mean we should all eat nothing but cake and cola and watch the telly? No. But no one's actually arguing we should. I take my pills *and* work out. I even eat vegetables! | |||
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"I wonder how much "breakthrough" science would make if we only ever tried, lived, discussed peer reviewed by an agreed select set of special people matters. I wonder if penicillin would ever have been invented or would they have said. No don't touch that it's not been agreed by the super pharmacy peer review people.? " Peer review is testing the inventions. It's not a secret society with handshakes. Medicine would have gone a different way without the rigours we have - but we also wouldn't have had some of the medical disasters we've had. I mean if you want to lick some random mould to see if it saves the world, then it's a free country, but I'll wait to find out whether it's toxic, makes you high, or actually fixes things before I'm eating that. | |||
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"I wonder how much "breakthrough" science would make if we only ever tried, lived, discussed peer reviewed by an agreed select set of special people matters. I wonder if penicillin would ever have been invented or would they have said. No don't touch that it's not been agreed by the super pharmacy peer review people.? " I’m not sure you understand how new treatments are developed and approved. | |||
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"uk drs are just like our american friends every drug is about getting paid always have been ....medicine is a very good money maker indeed ...vitamins are no different or alternative meds its all about money its better to treat than cure for most why do so many already rich people invest in drugs ... going back to the forum i see no harm in a health forum as long as its a moderated space that cancels out medical advice that only a dr or specialist can give face to face in my job and the amount of training ive had to do and still do to keep currant i could sit in a forum giving advice all day long easy to do to a screen but so dangerous when you just dont know that person health wise or mental health wise .... i cringe when i see people giving out mental health advice on here .. its the internet its so easy to say oh im a nurse or i work in mental health most of us who work in these fields generally dont talk about our jobs or what we do and deffo would not give blind advice over the internet" I think the Fab volunteer Mods could be in overload too readily, if it expanded much | |||
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"I don't see the point because some people have some great information and things that have helped them but everyone is just gonna say go to your doctor anyway so I don't think this is the place for it, if the community was more open minded and less mainstream it could work So, what you're advocating for is stuff that's got a lot of hype on the internet, rather than things that have been vetted by experts with appropriate thresholds of evidence? Cool. What could possibly go wrong? I'm 38 and have absolutely no health problems (I fixed them all myself) my mum has been on hundreds of pills her whole life and eats shit and she's been ill since I was about 10, recommending that people take pills to hide symptoms whilst they carry on eating half a loaf of kinsmill per day while drinking cola and eating cake and sitting at a desk or on the couch all day is insanity Ah. Anecdotes. These are the solution to all our societal problems. Give this person a Nobel Prize. I can play too. We should eliminate all standards. If your house collapses, it's not because it didn't adhere to those icky mainstream architectural standards bought for by Big Construction, it's because you didn't believe in fairies hard enough and the builder looked at a cake once! Yeah basically just stop eating stupid stuff that's doing you harm rather than take a pill to stop the symptoms which are your body's way of telling you something is something is wrong. If you drop a rock on your leg do you remove the rock or just take a painkiller and put a nice picture over the top of the rock so you can't see it? I use my common sense and follow the evidence and the people who've spent decades of their lives learning how their subspeciality works, rather than random people on the internet. Tell me: when I developed hypothyroidism as a teenager (a skinny size 8, the same height I am now, in year round swimming squads, two dance classes, and cricket in the summer), which god should I have prayed to or goat should I have slaughtered to have avoided taking medication for the last 20-something years? (Please note: I'm going to keep taking my pills, because I wasn't dropped on my head as a child) If you had got Dr Eric Osansky's book (not all doctors are just drug pushers, some actually cure disease) you would have been more likely to have given your body what it was asking for rather than just become a lifetime customer. My friend cured his thyroid problem with a clean diet and is pill free Ah. So you're advocating big shill and big supplement. No thanks. I go with "the majority of experts in a field believe this" rather than "gimmicky saleperson who'll blame you for looking at a cake if things go wrong". Because amazing how whenever the magic protocol fails, it's never because of evidence it doesn't work, it's because the suckers do it wrong! (Did I say suckers? I mean patients. Only £99.99 to correct your errors, you flawed person!) Ummmmm he's a doctor but yeah ok if you don't want to believe that then you can think whatever you like, if you really don't want to give up cake and cola that's great you do you dude but some people are all about optimal health and if this were to be a health forum for people who want to really be healthy then you have proven my point for me perfectly. Do you think there we cakes and thyroid pills growing on trees when early humans were here? Of course not. People started getting sick because they started eating stupid stuff and bathing in chemicals whether that was chlorine in the pool or air freshener in their home or maybe they work with chemicals etc. " What a very foolish thing to state. People have been getting ill for centuries before "eating stupid stuff". We just didn't have the knowledge to diagnose and treat. | |||
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"I don't see the point because some people have some great information and things that have helped them but everyone is just gonna say go to your doctor anyway so I don't think this is the place for it, if the community was more open minded and less mainstream it could work So, what you're advocating for is stuff that's got a lot of hype on the internet, rather than things that have been vetted by experts with appropriate thresholds of evidence? Cool. What could possibly go wrong? I'm 38 and have absolutely no health problems (I fixed them all myself) my mum has been on hundreds of pills her whole life and eats shit and she's been ill since I was about 10, recommending that people take pills to hide symptoms whilst they carry on eating half a loaf of kinsmill per day while drinking cola and eating cake and sitting at a desk or on the couch all day is insanity Ah. Anecdotes. These are the solution to all our societal problems. Give this person a Nobel Prize. I can play too. We should eliminate all standards. If your house collapses, it's not because it didn't adhere to those icky mainstream architectural standards bought for by Big Construction, it's because you didn't believe in fairies hard enough and the builder looked at a cake once! Yeah basically just stop eating stupid stuff that's doing you harm rather than take a pill to stop the symptoms which are your body's way of telling you something is something is wrong. If you drop a rock on your leg do you remove the rock or just take a painkiller and put a nice picture over the top of the rock so you can't see it? I use my common sense and follow the evidence and the people who've spent decades of their lives learning how their subspeciality works, rather than random people on the internet. Tell me: when I developed hypothyroidism as a teenager (a skinny size 8, the same height I am now, in year round swimming squads, two dance classes, and cricket in the summer), which god should I have prayed to or goat should I have slaughtered to have avoided taking medication for the last 20-something years? (Please note: I'm going to keep taking my pills, because I wasn't dropped on my head as a child) If you had got Dr Eric Osansky's book (not all doctors are just drug pushers, some actually cure disease) you would have been more likely to have given your body what it was asking for rather than just become a lifetime customer. My friend cured his thyroid problem with a clean diet and is pill free Ah. So you're advocating big shill and big supplement. No thanks. I go with "the majority of experts in a field believe this" rather than "gimmicky saleperson who'll blame you for looking at a cake if things go wrong". Because amazing how whenever the magic protocol fails, it's never because of evidence it doesn't work, it's because the suckers do it wrong! (Did I say suckers? I mean patients. Only £99.99 to correct your errors, you flawed person!) Ummmmm he's a doctor but yeah ok if you don't want to believe that then you can think whatever you like, if you really don't want to give up cake and cola that's great you do you dude but some people are all about optimal health and if this were to be a health forum for people who want to really be healthy then you have proven my point for me perfectly. Do you think there we cakes and thyroid pills growing on trees when early humans were here? Of course not. People started getting sick because they started eating stupid stuff and bathing in chemicals whether that was chlorine in the pool or air freshener in their home or maybe they work with chemicals etc. What a very foolish thing to state. People have been getting ill for centuries before "eating stupid stuff". We just didn't have the knowledge to diagnose and treat." Well when everyone was throwing buckets into the street before plumbing there was disease for different reasons but now it's usually diet | |||
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"I don't see the point because some people have some great information and things that have helped them but everyone is just gonna say go to your doctor anyway so I don't think this is the place for it, if the community was more open minded and less mainstream it could work So, what you're advocating for is stuff that's got a lot of hype on the internet, rather than things that have been vetted by experts with appropriate thresholds of evidence? Cool. What could possibly go wrong? I'm 38 and have absolutely no health problems (I fixed them all myself) my mum has been on hundreds of pills her whole life and eats shit and she's been ill since I was about 10, recommending that people take pills to hide symptoms whilst they carry on eating half a loaf of kinsmill per day while drinking cola and eating cake and sitting at a desk or on the couch all day is insanity Ah. Anecdotes. These are the solution to all our societal problems. Give this person a Nobel Prize. I can play too. We should eliminate all standards. If your house collapses, it's not because it didn't adhere to those icky mainstream architectural standards bought for by Big Construction, it's because you didn't believe in fairies hard enough and the builder looked at a cake once! Yeah basically just stop eating stupid stuff that's doing you harm rather than take a pill to stop the symptoms which are your body's way of telling you something is something is wrong. If you drop a rock on your leg do you remove the rock or just take a painkiller and put a nice picture over the top of the rock so you can't see it? I use my common sense and follow the evidence and the people who've spent decades of their lives learning how their subspeciality works, rather than random people on the internet. Tell me: when I developed hypothyroidism as a teenager (a skinny size 8, the same height I am now, in year round swimming squads, two dance classes, and cricket in the summer), which god should I have prayed to or goat should I have slaughtered to have avoided taking medication for the last 20-something years? (Please note: I'm going to keep taking my pills, because I wasn't dropped on my head as a child) If you had got Dr Eric Osansky's book (not all doctors are just drug pushers, some actually cure disease) you would have been more likely to have given your body what it was asking for rather than just become a lifetime customer. My friend cured his thyroid problem with a clean diet and is pill free Ah. So you're advocating big shill and big supplement. No thanks. I go with "the majority of experts in a field believe this" rather than "gimmicky saleperson who'll blame you for looking at a cake if things go wrong". Because amazing how whenever the magic protocol fails, it's never because of evidence it doesn't work, it's because the suckers do it wrong! (Did I say suckers? I mean patients. Only £99.99 to correct your errors, you flawed person!) Ummmmm he's a doctor but yeah ok if you don't want to believe that then you can think whatever you like, if you really don't want to give up cake and cola that's great you do you dude but some people are all about optimal health and if this were to be a health forum for people who want to really be healthy then you have proven my point for me perfectly. Do you think there we cakes and thyroid pills growing on trees when early humans were here? Of course not. People started getting sick because they started eating stupid stuff and bathing in chemicals whether that was chlorine in the pool or air freshener in their home or maybe they work with chemicals etc. What a very foolish thing to state. People have been getting ill for centuries before "eating stupid stuff". We just didn't have the knowledge to diagnose and treat. Well when everyone was throwing buckets into the street before plumbing there was disease for different reasons but now it's usually diet " Lifestyles increase/reduce risks to certain conditions granted. But a good diet is not a panacea. | |||
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" Your docs have still been doing the same thing for decades and you still have the condition no matter what you think of me. *Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity* " Except maybe when it's called treatment for an incurable condition ? Still there's a lot of good reasons for NOT having a forum to "discuss" health issues I suppose ? | |||
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"I wonder how much "breakthrough" science would make if we only ever tried, lived, discussed peer reviewed by an agreed select set of special people matters. I wonder if penicillin would ever have been invented or would they have said. No don't touch that it's not been agreed by the super pharmacy peer review people.? I’m not sure you understand how new treatments are developed and approved." Right you are. Why not patronise me instead. | |||
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"I wonder how much "breakthrough" science would make if we only ever tried, lived, discussed peer reviewed by an agreed select set of special people matters. I wonder if penicillin would ever have been invented or would they have said. No don't touch that it's not been agreed by the super pharmacy peer review people.? I’m not sure you understand how new treatments are developed and approved. Right you are. Why not patronise me instead." You could go out tomorrow and develop a treatment for an illness, no one is stopping you, or anyone else, doing that. Doctors will not use or prescribe your treatment until it has gone through rigorous testing to ensure it is safe (or that the benefits outweigh the dangers enough to make it worth using - i.e. chemotherapy) and effective. Peer review, and scientific testing does not stop innovation, it just ensures that it is safe and effective before it is licensed for use. | |||
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" Your docs have still been doing the same thing for decades and you still have the condition no matter what you think of me. *Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity* Except maybe when it's called treatment for an incurable condition ? Still there's a lot of good reasons for NOT having a forum to "discuss" health issues I suppose ? " Except loads of people have fixed their condition themselves through diet, not everyone wants to change I understand that and if taking pills suits you then crack on or maybe the docs already fried her thyroid then there's nothing you can do but plenty people are taking charge of their own health now and it's amazing the results they're having | |||
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" Your docs have still been doing the same thing for decades and you still have the condition no matter what you think of me. *Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity* Except maybe when it's called treatment for an incurable condition ? Still there's a lot of good reasons for NOT having a forum to "discuss" health issues I suppose ? Except loads of people have fixed their condition themselves through diet, not everyone wants to change I understand that and if taking pills suits you then crack on or maybe the docs already fried her thyroid then there's nothing you can do but plenty people are taking charge of their own health now and it's amazing the results they're having " I see no reason why this kind of speculation about why it's my, my parents', or my doctors' fault that I developed a health condition, particularly when it's contrary to the personalised medical advice I've been receiving for a quarter of a century. I think it's reckless at best to speculate about other people's health, and rude. There are a lot of forums for spewing such evidence free bullshit, I don't see why this kind of bollocks should be given a whole subforum here. (I understand - and agree with - the virus forum as a quarantine against the kinds of conversations that have arisen since 2020, in the same way the politics forum quarantines from what has happened since the Brexit referendum) | |||
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" Your docs have still been doing the same thing for decades and you still have the condition no matter what you think of me. *Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity* Except maybe when it's called treatment for an incurable condition ? Still there's a lot of good reasons for NOT having a forum to "discuss" health issues I suppose ? Except loads of people have fixed their condition themselves through diet, not everyone wants to change I understand that and if taking pills suits you then crack on or maybe the docs already fried her thyroid then there's nothing you can do but plenty people are taking charge of their own health now and it's amazing the results they're having I see no reason why this kind of speculation about why it's my, my parents', or my doctors' fault that I developed a health condition, particularly when it's contrary to the personalised medical advice I've been receiving for a quarter of a century. I think it's reckless at best to speculate about other people's health, and rude. There are a lot of forums for spewing such evidence free bullshit, I don't see why this kind of bollocks should be given a whole subforum here. (I understand - and agree with - the virus forum as a quarantine against the kinds of conversations that have arisen since 2020, in the same way the politics forum quarantines from what has happened since the Brexit referendum)" I don't see why you keep making up stuff I didn't say, you know I didn't mention your parents and sometimes docs fry the gland with radioactive iodine even for hypo so ..... What's your problem? You're acting crazy | |||
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" Your docs have still been doing the same thing for decades and you still have the condition no matter what you think of me. *Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity* Except maybe when it's called treatment for an incurable condition ? Still there's a lot of good reasons for NOT having a forum to "discuss" health issues I suppose ? Except loads of people have fixed their condition themselves through diet, not everyone wants to change I understand that and if taking pills suits you then crack on or maybe the docs already fried her thyroid then there's nothing you can do but plenty people are taking charge of their own health now and it's amazing the results they're having I see no reason why this kind of speculation about why it's my, my parents', or my doctors' fault that I developed a health condition, particularly when it's contrary to the personalised medical advice I've been receiving for a quarter of a century. I think it's reckless at best to speculate about other people's health, and rude. There are a lot of forums for spewing such evidence free bullshit, I don't see why this kind of bollocks should be given a whole subforum here. (I understand - and agree with - the virus forum as a quarantine against the kinds of conversations that have arisen since 2020, in the same way the politics forum quarantines from what has happened since the Brexit referendum) I don't see why you keep making up stuff I didn't say, you know I didn't mention your parents and sometimes docs fry the gland with radioactive iodine even for hypo so ..... What's your problem? You're acting crazy " You're speculating as to why I developed a condition as a child. You didn't mention my parents, no, but you mentioned types of swimming (which, as a teenager, I wasn't taking myself to), diet (again, teenager), mould (some sort of adult in my life), and medical care (when I was a teenager that wasn't my choice to make). You're now also speculating on medical negligence, when I've given you absolutely no reason to indicate that. I said that I was an active, skinny teenager who developed a health condition - and you're assigning all sorts of blame. The fact that I can infer that you might be blaming my parents for circumstances I had little/ no control over as a child is not exactly rocket surgery. And all over a condition that is so treatable that I can live as though I don't have it, except taking the pills. Which approximately cost sweet fuck all (including to the taxpayer, if we're thinking about it in those terms) and are even less inconvenient. I submit, though, that this is why we should not have a health forum on Fab. Because any health problem would be attributed to cake, cola, gluten (before or after 1950), chlorine, sitting on the sofa too much, the TV... and wild unqualified advice will be given. | |||
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" Your docs have still been doing the same thing for decades and you still have the condition no matter what you think of me. *Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity* Except maybe when it's called treatment for an incurable condition ? Still there's a lot of good reasons for NOT having a forum to "discuss" health issues I suppose ? Except loads of people have fixed their condition themselves through diet, not everyone wants to change I understand that and if taking pills suits you then crack on or maybe the docs already fried her thyroid then there's nothing you can do but plenty people are taking charge of their own health now and it's amazing the results they're having I see no reason why this kind of speculation about why it's my, my parents', or my doctors' fault that I developed a health condition, particularly when it's contrary to the personalised medical advice I've been receiving for a quarter of a century. I think it's reckless at best to speculate about other people's health, and rude. There are a lot of forums for spewing such evidence free bullshit, I don't see why this kind of bollocks should be given a whole subforum here. (I understand - and agree with - the virus forum as a quarantine against the kinds of conversations that have arisen since 2020, in the same way the politics forum quarantines from what has happened since the Brexit referendum) I don't see why you keep making up stuff I didn't say, you know I didn't mention your parents and sometimes docs fry the gland with radioactive iodine even for hypo so ..... What's your problem? You're acting crazy You're speculating as to why I developed a condition as a child. You didn't mention my parents, no, but you mentioned types of swimming (which, as a teenager, I wasn't taking myself to), diet (again, teenager), mould (some sort of adult in my life), and medical care (when I was a teenager that wasn't my choice to make). You're now also speculating on medical negligence, when I've given you absolutely no reason to indicate that. I said that I was an active, skinny teenager who developed a health condition - and you're assigning all sorts of blame. The fact that I can infer that you might be blaming my parents for circumstances I had little/ no control over as a child is not exactly rocket surgery. And all over a condition that is so treatable that I can live as though I don't have it, except taking the pills. Which approximately cost sweet fuck all (including to the taxpayer, if we're thinking about it in those terms) and are even less inconvenient. I submit, though, that this is why we should not have a health forum on Fab. Because any health problem would be attributed to cake, cola, gluten (before or after 1950), chlorine, sitting on the sofa too much, the TV... and wild unqualified advice will be given." | |||
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" Your docs have still been doing the same thing for decades and you still have the condition no matter what you think of me. *Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity* Except maybe when it's called treatment for an incurable condition ? Still there's a lot of good reasons for NOT having a forum to "discuss" health issues I suppose ? Except loads of people have fixed their condition themselves through diet, not everyone wants to change I understand that and if taking pills suits you then crack on or maybe the docs already fried her thyroid then there's nothing you can do but plenty people are taking charge of their own health now and it's amazing the results they're having I see no reason why this kind of speculation about why it's my, my parents', or my doctors' fault that I developed a health condition, particularly when it's contrary to the personalised medical advice I've been receiving for a quarter of a century. I think it's reckless at best to speculate about other people's health, and rude. There are a lot of forums for spewing such evidence free bullshit, I don't see why this kind of bollocks should be given a whole subforum here. (I understand - and agree with - the virus forum as a quarantine against the kinds of conversations that have arisen since 2020, in the same way the politics forum quarantines from what has happened since the Brexit referendum) I don't see why you keep making up stuff I didn't say, you know I didn't mention your parents and sometimes docs fry the gland with radioactive iodine even for hypo so ..... What's your problem? You're acting crazy You're speculating as to why I developed a condition as a child. You didn't mention my parents, no, but you mentioned types of swimming (which, as a teenager, I wasn't taking myself to), diet (again, teenager), mould (some sort of adult in my life), and medical care (when I was a teenager that wasn't my choice to make). You're now also speculating on medical negligence, when I've given you absolutely no reason to indicate that. I said that I was an active, skinny teenager who developed a health condition - and you're assigning all sorts of blame. The fact that I can infer that you might be blaming my parents for circumstances I had little/ no control over as a child is not exactly rocket surgery. And all over a condition that is so treatable that I can live as though I don't have it, except taking the pills. Which approximately cost sweet fuck all (including to the taxpayer, if we're thinking about it in those terms) and are even less inconvenient. I submit, though, that this is why we should not have a health forum on Fab. Because any health problem would be attributed to cake, cola, gluten (before or after 1950), chlorine, sitting on the sofa too much, the TV... and wild unqualified advice will be given. "And nothing of value was learned  | |||
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" Your docs have still been doing the same thing for decades and you still have the condition no matter what you think of me. *Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity* Except maybe when it's called treatment for an incurable condition ? Still there's a lot of good reasons for NOT having a forum to "discuss" health issues I suppose ? Except loads of people have fixed their condition themselves through diet, not everyone wants to change I understand that and if taking pills suits you then crack on or maybe the docs already fried her thyroid then there's nothing you can do but plenty people are taking charge of their own health now and it's amazing the results they're having I see no reason why this kind of speculation about why it's my, my parents', or my doctors' fault that I developed a health condition, particularly when it's contrary to the personalised medical advice I've been receiving for a quarter of a century. I think it's reckless at best to speculate about other people's health, and rude. There are a lot of forums for spewing such evidence free bullshit, I don't see why this kind of bollocks should be given a whole subforum here. (I understand - and agree with - the virus forum as a quarantine against the kinds of conversations that have arisen since 2020, in the same way the politics forum quarantines from what has happened since the Brexit referendum) I don't see why you keep making up stuff I didn't say, you know I didn't mention your parents and sometimes docs fry the gland with radioactive iodine even for hypo so ..... What's your problem? You're acting crazy You're speculating as to why I developed a condition as a child. You didn't mention my parents, no, but you mentioned types of swimming (which, as a teenager, I wasn't taking myself to), diet (again, teenager), mould (some sort of adult in my life), and medical care (when I was a teenager that wasn't my choice to make). You're now also speculating on medical negligence, when I've given you absolutely no reason to indicate that. I said that I was an active, skinny teenager who developed a health condition - and you're assigning all sorts of blame. The fact that I can infer that you might be blaming my parents for circumstances I had little/ no control over as a child is not exactly rocket surgery. And all over a condition that is so treatable that I can live as though I don't have it, except taking the pills. Which approximately cost sweet fuck all (including to the taxpayer, if we're thinking about it in those terms) and are even less inconvenient. I submit, though, that this is why we should not have a health forum on Fab. Because any health problem would be attributed to cake, cola, gluten (before or after 1950), chlorine, sitting on the sofa too much, the TV... and wild unqualified advice will be given." I cannot disagree with your rationale. Disputing medical knowledge, hence medication/treatment is a very dangerous thing to do. Some people can go off and research various diets and find themselves in a healthy place after trying them. Fantastic for THEM and other INDIVIDUALS. But I'll restate: a diet is NOT a panacea (even if in your thirties, at which most people are relatively healthy anyway). | |||
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