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"PRep and condoms people. I enjoy my life, so I play safe." A bit of a 'told you so' post isn't really helpful in a thread where someone is suggesting he may have HIV | |||
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"PRep and condoms people. I enjoy my life, so I play safe. A bit of a 'told you so' post isn't really helpful in a thread where someone is suggesting he may have HIV " Why assume a negative? I see this post as info giving for others. | |||
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"PRep and condoms people. I enjoy my life, so I play safe. A bit of a 'told you so' post isn't really helpful in a thread where someone is suggesting he may have HIV Why assume a negative? I see this post as info giving for others." That's fair enough, I don't. | |||
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"If you have more to live for than lustful sex .... don't do it! The fear and Anxiety of waiting for a result and trying to figure out your next steps is not worth it.... We should all.know.this and it's obvious to say, but our brains wiring can be screwed up. See a Therapist if you are doing things that are self destructive. I under_tand that dopamine fix....but get some help...focus on the Seratonin... Look after your teeth and gums...and general health " HIV is now a condition that is managed rather like diabetes. Do not worry yourself too much as there are treatments and advice for you now. | |||
"I knew a girl who was open about having HIV, she was adamant that she would never tell anyone she slept with that she had it. She also insisted on bareback sex. She got it from a past boyfriend, who was a drug user." She should be arrested for that. | |||
"I knew a girl who was open about having HIV, she was adamant that she would never tell anyone she slept with that she had it. She also insisted on bareback sex. She got it from a past boyfriend, who was a drug user. She should be arrested for that. " Do you not see the contradiction in that post? | |||
"I knew a girl who was open about having HIV, she was adamant that she would never tell anyone she slept with that she had it. She also insisted on bareback sex. She got it from a past boyfriend, who was a drug user. She should be arrested for that. Do you not see the contradiction in that post?" I thought the same when I first read the post… So, she is totally open about it EXCEPT with the people she sleeps with??? Hmmm, I smell shite. As an addition to this thread…it’s the ones that don’t know they have the virus that you need to worry about…and, quite frankly, that is anyone that’s having sex and not getting regular check ups. | |||
"I knew a girl who was open about having HIV, she was adamant that she would never tell anyone she slept with that she had it. She also insisted on bareback sex. She got it from a past boyfriend, who was a drug user. She should be arrested for that. Do you not see the contradiction in that post? I thought the same when I first read the post… So, she is totally open about it EXCEPT with the people she sleeps with??? Hmmm, I smell shite. As an addition to this thread…it’s the ones that don’t know they have the virus that you need to worry about…and, quite frankly, that is anyone that’s having sex and not getting regular check ups." People who are positive, taking meds and are undetectable, are safer partners than many  | |||
"I knew a girl who was open about having HIV, she was adamant that she would never tell anyone she slept with that she had it. She also insisted on bareback sex. She got it from a past boyfriend, who was a drug user. She should be arrested for that. Do you not see the contradiction in that post? I thought the same when I first read the post… So, she is totally open about it EXCEPT with the people she sleeps with??? Hmmm, I smell shite. As an addition to this thread…it’s the ones that don’t know they have the virus that you need to worry about…and, quite frankly, that is anyone that’s having sex and not getting regular check ups." She used to pick up one night _tands in bars, no one in her neighbourhood would go near her as we all knew she had HIV. | |||
"If this poster comes back, I hope you receive positive news re HIV testing. If the news is not positive, HIV is not the death sentence it once was. Re your composition on (any) addiction, yes therapy is advisable. Unfortunately any therapy on the NHS comes after a long wait. There is alternative help out there - see the third sector of charities, they are easy to Google. There's also the mental health charity MIND, and crisis charity The Samaritans. If you have a good network of friends/family, TALK. Never underestimate the power of talking. " Talking is a wonderful, many times overlooked tool, as is touch. But be really careful on social media sites and sites like FAB. Try, as much as possible, to talk face to face, there are many groups out there, many connected to charities. Just ask and you'll be surprised how many people and groups are available locally. I'm coming to the end of surgery, radio and chemo for cancer and have been attending a group for post head and neck cancer. Found it useful and met many who are a few months to a few years ahead of me. You will find soul mates as well as drama queens... Good luck. | |||
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"I know this maybe very controversial but do women/bi men pick up HIV more easily than men?..due to the physical aspect of cum going inside..just curious,and on fabs forum you can ask anything it seems!" It's generally accepted tgat the passive partner either male, female etc is more at risk during unprotected sex than the active one. If you take PrEP then this can be avoided. Obviously get tested regularly . | |||
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"Thanks for that,I know it's probably not talked about much as it could then make men think they are at no danger" The active partner is really at very reduced risk though I'm not sure there have been many proven cases contracting it that way. It's still a possibility. As with oral sex, it could be possible but I don't think there are still any proven infections through it. Best to be protected if you can do. | |||
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"Thanks for that,I know it's probably not talked about much as it could then make men think they are at no danger The active partner is really at very reduced risk though I'm not sure there have been many proven cases contracting it that way. It's still a possibility. As with oral sex, it could be possible but I don't think there are still any proven infections through it. Best to be protected if you can do. " The active eg penetrative partner is a reduced risk yes, but you need to be more careful with you language. The risk is still VERY significant.. Oral sex I agree is a theoretical risk and I am also unaware of any confirmed cases of transmission. It's been a few years since I have read any peer reviewed studies on that subject though. | |||
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"Prep should not be provided by the NHS! It’s a scandal it is. " Why ? | |||
"Prep should not be provided by the NHS! It’s a scandal it is. " Silly statement. Prep is relatively cheap when compared to treating HIV. Plus when taking it you get regular (3 month) sexual health checkup thus helping to reduce the amount of other STI. Better for all the people who are sexually active. Viagra is available on the NHS which is use within the swinging community. | |||
"If you have more to live for than lustful sex .... don't do it! The fear and Anxiety of waiting for a result and trying to figure out your next steps is not worth it.... We should all.know.this and it's obvious to say, but our brains wiring can be screwed up. See a Therapist if you are doing things that are self destructive. I under_tand that dopamine fix....but get some help...focus on the Seratonin... Look after your teeth and gums...and general health " So many times i have been offered bareback sex with randoms Are these people not wired up right or just fuckin stupid | |||
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"It’s an extremely expensive drug, with a practically free alternative (condom) designed for a tiny minority of the population. I look at how the Nice often refuses new treatments to treat child genetic diseases on the grounds of cost and propensity. Yet in the case of the most lobbied for minority in the world (homosexuals) PREP is waved right through. Funny that. " I do like to start my day with a good solid dose of homophobia Could someone provide some misogyny for this afternoon please TIA | |||
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"It’s an extremely expensive drug, with a practically free alternative (condom) designed for a tiny minority of the population. I look at how the Nice often refuses new treatments to treat child genetic diseases on the grounds of cost and propensity. Yet in the case of the most lobbied for minority in the world (homosexuals) PREP is waved right through. Funny that. " Actually, Truvada (the main PrEP drug combo) is off patent now, so a generic version is used at a fraction of the original cost, so your "extremely expensive" quote is a rather moot point. Just pointing this out so you see both sides of the story | |||
"It’s an extremely expensive drug, with a practically free alternative (condom) designed for a tiny minority of the population. I look at how the Nice often refuses new treatments to treat child genetic diseases on the grounds of cost and propensity. Yet in the case of the most lobbied for minority in the world (homosexuals) PREP is waved right through. Funny that. "  ,
Prep is a drug to prevent HIV for all sexes it has nothing to do with sexual orientation whatsoever women as well as men take it.
I take it and i am not homosexual, you are a complete ignorant and narrow minded person. HIV is not limited to gay men unfortunately you might want to watch the film Dallas buyers club to educate you a bit. | |||
"It’s an extremely expensive drug, with a practically free alternative (condom) designed for a tiny minority of the population. I look at how the Nice often refuses new treatments to treat child genetic diseases on the grounds of cost and propensity. Yet in the case of the most lobbied for minority in the world (homosexuals) PREP is waved right through. Funny that. " What an absolute load of nonsense. You really should do some good research before spouting this crap. | |||
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"It’s available on NHS prescription. Paying for prescription does not cover the cost of the drug in almost all cases. It’s substantially subsidised by the state. Aka the NHS" PrEP is a medication whose brand name is Truvada. The medication is no longer under patent and is manufactured and made available to the NHS far more cheaply than it was being used as one of the combination anti retrovirals for HIV treatment. Therefore, it does not represent any longer a great burden on the British taxpayer as you mistakenly believe. | |||
"Prep is actually pretty cheap and can be bought privately from high street pharmacies for as little as £59 for a months supply - the NHS likely get it much cheaper due to bulk discounts." | |||
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"Thank you for all the non judgmental, polite, open minded responses. So refreshing to have such an open and tolerant community. A few points to respond in respect to my initial comment. Sincere apologies as UK public health and this topic are a multi faceted discussion. 1. My personal “lived experiences” as all the lovely’s crave to use these days. The assumption that as I am not gay nor have any gay connections is correct. So I will accept that at first glance my perspective might be intolerant. It’s not my intention, I’m autistic and see the world essentially as a fact based system. In terms of heterosexuals being just as at risk than homosexuals to HIV/AIDs. If I was an intravenous drug user and sleeping with hundreds of woman a year totally unprotected then yes I probably would be on statistical parity with homosexual sex risk. But luckily for me I am not. I only engage in riskier behaviour or any sexual acts with a handful of women a year. I have been lucky to meet women whom end up wanting to keep meeting me. When I was last tested. 2 weeks ago. I was asked the same questions I’ve been asked every time I’ve been tested. Which includes have I engaged in anal sex with a man. The reason they ask that question is because HIV does in the vast majority of UK cases impact the homosexual community. Prep is purely a drug which has very good protection against HIV infection. Yes I am sure both communities use it. But it has a cost. Unprotected sex is a lifestyle choice. Condoms offer very good protection against HIV at a fraction of the cost. I do not see why the NHS should provide medicine to suit anyone’s lifestyle straight or gay. But let’s be honest, the movement to get PREP available on the NHS was secured by a well funded gay lobby group. The problem I have is the NHS prior to Covid was struggling to deliver the ever increasing new treatments and drugs for people whom are inflicted with non lifestyle illnesses. Post Covid it’s in an even dire position to deliver these new treatments. An aging population, almost exponential growth in computing power will deliver more and more drugs and treatments that everyone will won’t. The NHS simply will not ever (who ever is in power) deliver this expectation with current system. I find it difficult to comprehend how PREP can be delivered on the NHS when many other treatments to treat infant genetic disorders are not available. In fact I consider it morally questionable. That’s it. It’s not a dig at anyone or any groups. It’s just a deep sadness that so many children do not have access to treatments which probably could be available if PREp was available over the counter privately only. In terms of NHS drug procurement. I would say in my own experience, when I underwent a minor procedure. I was asked by the nurse to get my own paracetamol as the paracetamol jab they had available cost the NHS £50 per dose. I imagine the NHS is tied up in countless expensive contracts with pharmaceutical companies. Which is another problem in itself. So that’s about it. Cheers " So let me get this right, you only engage in riskier sex with a small amount of women who like to keep seeing you, and this happens a few times per year. So you do partake in unprotected sex with these partners? You state your last sexual health test was two weeks ago (and I am assuming you get tested regularly) So you don’t care about the cost of your sexual health testing on the NHS, just the cost of Prep, which actually reduces the spread of infection of HIV for which you get tested? Oh the hypocrisy | |||
"Prep is not free, the impact trial finished years ago .. people now have to pay for it . monthly or 3 monthly .. " I do not pay for my PrEP prescriptions from the clinic. | |||
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"Not sure how it’s homophobia. But what evs. I honestly don’t care" You don't care? Your doing a piss poor job of supporting that assertion | |||
"Prep is not free, the impact trial finished years ago .. people now have to pay for it . monthly or 3 monthly .. I do not pay for my PrEP prescriptions from the clinic." Interesting as they stopped it after finishing impact trial. Just read on nhs it’s eligible to those that meet criteria in some instances. Ha I been paying for it since end of trial and never looked to check on updates … later on  | |||
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"Prep is not free, the impact trial finished years ago .. people now have to pay for it . monthly or 3 monthly .. I do not pay for my PrEP prescriptions from the clinic. Interesting as they stopped it after finishing impact trial. Just read on nhs it’s eligible to those that meet criteria in some instances. Ha I been paying for it since end of trial and never looked to check on updates … later on "I believe it is by individual circumstance, or what you tell them. Being a bi married man in an open relationship meeting both men and other couples for sex put me in the higher risk category. When I was asked a couple years ago a few questions regarding my sexual lifestyle and I was eligible. It was actually the clinic that told me to go on it tbh, that was almost 2 years ago. | |||
"Prep is not free, the impact trial finished years ago .. people now have to pay for it . monthly or 3 monthly .. I do not pay for my PrEP prescriptions from the clinic. Interesting as they stopped it after finishing impact trial. Just read on nhs it’s eligible to those that meet criteria in some instances. Ha I been paying for it since end of trial and never looked to check on updates … later on "I've paid a lot of money for it, over about 8 years. It's possible to shop around, which can save money. 
The sexual health clinics will still undertake full tests for us, as if prescribed by one of their Doctors, including kidney function tests. . This medication can save the NHS a large fortune, whoever funds it, compared to funding HIV medicines, for new infections. | |||
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"You’re all right! I’m an idiot. I mean what the hell is NICE doing publishing articles and data on Prep! It only costs £4,800 per person per year, it’s insignificant! Outrageous NICE would suggest the majority of the 28,000 prescriptions issued as of 2021 were for gay or bisexual men. I mean how many kids could be treated for £134,400,000 a year?! Yeah, it’s not worth it! Simply not enough kids with genetic disorders, complicated conditions, cancers etc etc. I _tand corrected. I’m an ignorant, intolerant, immature, insensitive, inane individual. I will scuttle off now! " Read no further than the first paragraph | |||
"I knew a girl who was open about having HIV, she was adamant that she would never tell anyone she slept with that she had it. She also insisted on bareback sex. She got it from a past boyfriend, who was a drug user." So she was open about having HIV but at the same time she wasn't will to tell anyone she slept with????? | |||
"In France we get our PrEP free from the STD clinic One advantage is that the prescription last only 3 months and you need to be retested then. It could be that those on this medication are the sexually safest because of frequent testing. We’ve heard of plenty of swingers who’ve never been tested simply because they have no symptoms. " It’s similar in uk in regards to you have to be tested every 12 weeks to get your next batch. | |||
"You’re all right! I’m an idiot. I mean what the hell is NICE doing publishing articles and data on Prep! It only costs £4,800 per person per year, it’s insignificant! Outrageous NICE would suggest the majority of the 28,000 prescriptions issued as of 2021 were for gay or bisexual men. I mean how many kids could be treated for £134,400,000 a year?! Yeah, it’s not worth it! Simply not enough kids with genetic disorders, complicated conditions, cancers etc etc. I _tand corrected. I’m an ignorant, intolerant, immature, insensitive, inane individual. I will scuttle off now! " Bye | |||
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"You’re all right! I’m an idiot. I mean what the hell is NICE doing publishing articles and data on Prep! It only costs £4,800 per person per year, it’s insignificant! Outrageous NICE would suggest the majority of the 28,000 prescriptions issued as of 2021 were for gay or bisexual men. I mean how many kids could be treated for £134,400,000 a year?! Yeah, it’s not worth it! Simply not enough kids with genetic disorders, complicated conditions, cancers etc etc. I _tand corrected. I’m an ignorant, intolerant, immature, insensitive, inane individual. I will scuttle off now! " You are citing costs and figures from 2021 when the drug was still patented. Emtricitabine and tenofivir are no longer under patent and so the cost has massively reduced. | |||
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"What’s msssive. What’s the current cost to the NHS? " I find it it amazing to see that people think that the NHS is wasteful and costs a lot when in truth in terms % of GDP we are well behind so many other countries- many of whom are also heavily funded by private healthcare | |||
"What’s msssive. What’s the current cost to the NHS? " The NHS price is £34.20, which is a ‘massive’ reduction from its patented price (about 80% reduction). Alliance Healthcare pharmaceuticals. https://bnf.nice.org.uk/drugs/emtricitabine-with-tenofovir-disoproxil/medicinal-forms/  | |||
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"You’re all right! I’m an idiot. I mean what the hell is NICE doing publishing articles and data on Prep! It only costs £4,800 per person per year, it’s insignificant! Outrageous NICE would suggest the majority of the 28,000 prescriptions issued as of 2021 were for gay or bisexual men. I mean how many kids could be treated for £134,400,000 a year?! Yeah, it’s not worth it! Simply not enough kids with genetic disorders, complicated conditions, cancers etc etc. I _tand corrected. I’m an ignorant, intolerant, immature, insensitive, inane individual. I will scuttle off now! It’s done on a cost benefit basis, reducing further HiV infections also has a huge financial benefit. Whether you, I or anyone else would likes it or not people will have risky sex and won’t use protection so Prep does have its place and it’s better to make it as freely available as possible " | |||
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"You are literally making numbers up. lol " I provided a link for you to see for yourself. Once you have done, you can retract your overstated figures. I’ll wait. | |||
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"My Numbers were taken from nice. I provided a date the numbers were accurate. " lol. You evidently did not read the link itself, never mind follow it to read the content. http://bnf.NICE.org being the first part. I wrote NICE in capitals to draw your attention to the source. Now stop back peddling with your claims that you were referring to 2021. Your costs are outdated and consequently 90% higher than the cost in 2023. It’s also cheaper to prevent infection in high risk individuals than it is to treat them for life post infection. But hey! You clearly hadn’t thought it through. | |||
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"I do not believe a drug which has cost the NHS millions and will continue to do so to enable life style choices is morally acceptable when other drugs are excluded. Regarding “my numbers” they were indeed accurate as per date of publication. I will accept that the cost to the nhs has fallen subsequently. But my position remains. If you want prep buy it privately! Not via the NHS. Precious funding should be focused on other drugs for people who have not made a conscious decision to fuck without a condom. If it’s so cheap now. Why is it so controversial for people to just buy it if they want it? Remove the NHS funding." What do you propose for couples who are in sero-diverse relationships? Should one negative partner be forced to buy medication for the term of their relationship (let’s say decades) to have a safe and fulfilling sex life with a positive partner? | |||
"I do not believe a drug which has cost the NHS millions and will continue to do so to enable life style choices is morally acceptable when other drugs are excluded. Regarding “my numbers” they were indeed accurate as per date of publication. I will accept that the cost to the nhs has fallen subsequently. But my position remains. If you want prep buy it privately! Not via the NHS. Precious funding should be focused on other drugs for people who have not made a conscious decision to fuck without a condom. If it’s so cheap now. Why is it so controversial for people to just buy it if they want it? Remove the NHS funding." You are entitled to your view but Prep prevents other NHS resources/ funds being required - people won’t buy it- that’s the cost benefit analysis that has already been game played and it’s all about preventing future HIV | |||
"I do not believe a drug which has cost the NHS millions and will continue to do so to enable life style choices is morally acceptable when other drugs are excluded. Regarding “my numbers” they were indeed accurate as per date of publication. I will accept that the cost to the nhs has fallen subsequently. But my position remains. If you want prep buy it privately! Not via the NHS. Precious funding should be focused on other drugs for people who have not made a conscious decision to fuck without a condom. If it’s so cheap now. Why is it so controversial for people to just buy it if they want it? Remove the NHS funding. You are entitled to your view but Prep prevents other NHS resources/ funds being required - people won’t buy it- that’s the cost benefit analysis that has already been game played and it’s all about preventing future HIV" He is wilfully ignoring this argument. | |||
"I do not believe a drug which has cost the NHS millions and will continue to do so to enable life style choices is morally acceptable when other drugs are excluded. Regarding “my numbers” they were indeed accurate as per date of publication. I will accept that the cost to the nhs has fallen subsequently. But my position remains. If you want prep buy it privately! Not via the NHS. Precious funding should be focused on other drugs for people who have not made a conscious decision to fuck without a condom. If it’s so cheap now. Why is it so controversial for people to just buy it if they want it? Remove the NHS funding." Does your position extend to people who have contracted HIV also having to pay for their own lifelong medication ? You seem to assume that it's a virus that is only contracted through promiscuity. That is simply not the case. It takes just one infected person . | |||
"I do not believe a drug which has cost the NHS millions and will continue to do so to enable life style choices is morally acceptable when other drugs are excluded. Regarding “my numbers” they were indeed accurate as per date of publication. I will accept that the cost to the nhs has fallen subsequently. But my position remains. If you want prep buy it privately! Not via the NHS. Precious funding should be focused on other drugs for people who have not made a conscious decision to fuck without a condom. If it’s so cheap now. Why is it so controversial for people to just buy it if they want it? Remove the NHS funding." I assume that you've not presented many business cases. . You've seen that many of us do pay privately for Prep. I've had private prescriptions and they've been dispensed by Boots, like other medicine.
What did you calculate were the ongoing costs for providing HIV medicines, for someone who gets infected? How many people do you estimate would be infected, without NHS provision? Should HIV+ people not be allowed to have partners protected by Prep? I noticed that you seem long on your mini-rant towards children's services etc but ultra-light on your evaluation of the costs and impacts of what you're proposing. Do you use NHS sexual health services? Should they not be available for you or anyone, as they have a cost? | |||
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"I do not believe a drug which has cost the NHS millions and will continue to do so to enable life style choices is morally acceptable when other drugs are excluded. Regarding “my numbers” they were indeed accurate as per date of publication. I will accept that the cost to the nhs has fallen subsequently. But my position remains. If you want prep buy it privately! Not via the NHS. Precious funding should be focused on other drugs for people who have not made a conscious decision to fuck without a condom. If it’s so cheap now. Why is it so controversial for people to just buy it if they want it? Remove the NHS funding." Maybe they should remove funding for the contraceptive pill, I mean, you could just use a condom Save a fortune | |||
"I do not believe a drug which has cost the NHS millions and will continue to do so to enable life style choices is morally acceptable when other drugs are excluded. Regarding “my numbers” they were indeed accurate as per date of publication. I will accept that the cost to the nhs has fallen subsequently. But my position remains. If you want prep buy it privately! Not via the NHS. Precious funding should be focused on other drugs for people who have not made a conscious decision to fuck without a condom. If it’s so cheap now. Why is it so controversial for people to just buy it if they want it? Remove the NHS funding. Maybe they should remove funding for the contraceptive pill, I mean, you could just use a condom Save a fortune" And viagra and ivf and all the various hormone treatments? | |||
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"I do not believe a drug which has cost the NHS millions and will continue to do so to enable life style choices is morally acceptable when other drugs are excluded. Regarding “my numbers” they were indeed accurate as per date of publication. I will accept that the cost to the nhs has fallen subsequently. But my position remains. If you want prep buy it privately! Not via the NHS. Precious funding should be focused on other drugs for people who have not made a conscious decision to fuck without a condom. If it’s so cheap now. Why is it so controversial for people to just buy it if they want it? Remove the NHS funding. Maybe they should remove funding for the contraceptive pill, I mean, you could just use a condom Save a fortune And viagra and ivf and all the various hormone treatments? "
We could stop many or all treatments that someone with a very blinkered outlook deems somehow related to choices. Perhaps all healthcare, even. . Everyone's so wealthy, ambulances etc could review ability to pay and lifestyle choices, before deciding whether to leave people in the street.
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"PrEP is free in all UK nations and has been for some time. It’s prescribed through Sexual Health clinics after some tests are done: eg HIV test and a kidney function test. It is now no longer a patented medication - it is generic (rather like paracetamol is) and is a few pence per tablet. It can be taken every day - or it can be dosed around particular events eg weekends. Injectable long term PrEP is also not far off. Purely on a cost comparison - lifetime treatment for HIV (which is also free to the patient but often a patented drug) is hugely more expensive than PrEP. PrEP is more effective than condoms - fail rate proven to be less. And it will prevent spread of the virus - and cuts the fear all gay men had for decades about sex. Unalloyed good thing."
OOH long term PrEP that sounds even better | |||
"In this country we have a health service that is free at access for all. Why is this any different to a smoker, or a sedentary person, or someone over weight or someone getting morning after pill or someone who crashes because they feel the need for speed? All choices that we all pay for. We all chip in the pot and we should all get the care we need regardless of background, lifestyle choices etc. If the NHS refuse treatment for someone, take grievance with that decision - don’t come after another minority and scapegoat them. What you’re proposing is to drag homosexuals back into the dark and to ‘other’ them. " I couldn't be arsed to respond but youbr written it perfectly. 100% this | |||
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"I knew I shouldn’t have bothered looking at this thread. So many old, outdated, and blindly incorrect opinions about HIV and living with HIV. But I did look at it, and now I’m triggered. Just for some people’s clarification - The person at the orgy with HIV, and on medication, is literally the safest person one could have sex with - and bareback sex at that! Some might think that is a controversial statement, but let’s break it down: If they’re on treatment, they will be undetectable, which means they CANNOT pass the virus on to anyone else, no matter how many creampies they bake. Undetectable = Untransmissable. Period! Being on treatment means that they’re getting regular consultations at the hospital, and regular health checks. Cancer, diabetes, sleep problems, kidney and liver function, mental health, and a whole list of other things are regularly checked, discussed, and talked about. They are also getting an STI screening every three months, just in case any other nasties aren’t popping up. If anything does show, it’s dealt with immediately, so the chances of catching any other STI from them is also greatly reduced. Let’s end the stigma of HIV. Jesus, I have friends who claim that getting HIV was actually a huge weight off their mind, because now they don’t have to worry about catching it anymore. Yes, the fear of catching it is WORSE than actually having it!! So for all of those minds still stuck in the 80’s and 90’s, ponder on that for a bit. If you do become positive, my heart goes out to you. It’s a tough change in your life, but only because of the stigma that comes with it, and the dread of having to deal with interactions similar to some of the posts in this thread. Actually having HIV, and living with HIV, is less hassle than I took to write this bloody triggered post! If you want to talk about it, please send me a message!!!! Once the initial shock and mental adjustment passes (and it will!), all you need to do is take one pill a day to lead a happy and healthy life. People take more pills for vitamin supplements, ffs. Love and under_tanding is ALWAYS the better option. "
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"It's a death sentence when you have to inform the wife..." That is a personal issue. It would have been the same if you'd given her Syphilis or gonorrhoea I'm sure. The main thing is that people with HIV that is known and managed live a long and perfectly normal healthy life . Its very like diabetes is now. | |||
"I knew I shouldn’t have bothered looking at this thread. So many old, outdated, and blindly incorrect opinions about HIV and living with HIV. But I did look at it, and now I’m triggered. Just for some people’s clarification - The person at the orgy with HIV, and on medication, is literally the safest person one could have sex with - and bareback sex at that! Some might think that is a controversial statement, but let’s break it down: If they’re on treatment, they will be undetectable, which means they CANNOT pass the virus on to anyone else, no matter how many creampies they bake. Undetectable = Untransmissable. Period! Being on treatment means that they’re getting regular consultations at the hospital, and regular health checks. Cancer, diabetes, sleep problems, kidney and liver function, mental health, and a whole list of other things are regularly checked, discussed, and talked about. They are also getting an STI screening every three months, just in case any other nasties aren’t popping up. If anything does show, it’s dealt with immediately, so the chances of catching any other STI from them is also greatly reduced. Let’s end the stigma of HIV. Jesus, I have friends who claim that getting HIV was actually a huge weight off their mind, because now they don’t have to worry about catching it anymore. Yes, the fear of catching it is WORSE than actually having it!! So for all of those minds still stuck in the 80’s and 90’s, ponder on that for a bit. If you do become positive, my heart goes out to you. It’s a tough change in your life, but only because of the stigma that comes with it, and the dread of having to deal with interactions similar to some of the posts in this thread. Actually having HIV, and living with HIV, is less hassle than I took to write this bloody triggered post! If you want to talk about it, please send me a message!!!! Once the initial shock and mental adjustment passes (and it will!), all you need to do is take one pill a day to lead a happy and healthy life. People take more pills for vitamin supplements, ffs. Love and under_tanding is ALWAYS the better option. " Exactly.. I'm always happy to chat and try to help anyone too. | |||
"I knew I shouldn’t have bothered looking at this thread. So many old, outdated, and blindly incorrect opinions about HIV and living with HIV. But I did look at it, and now I’m triggered. Just for some people’s clarification - The person at the orgy with HIV, and on medication, is literally the safest person one could have sex with - and bareback sex at that! Some might think that is a controversial statement, but let’s break it down: If they’re on treatment, they will be undetectable, which means they CANNOT pass the virus on to anyone else, no matter how many creampies they bake. Undetectable = Untransmissable. Period! Being on treatment means that they’re getting regular consultations at the hospital, and regular health checks. Cancer, diabetes, sleep problems, kidney and liver function, mental health, and a whole list of other things are regularly checked, discussed, and talked about. They are also getting an STI screening every three months, just in case any other nasties aren’t popping up. If anything does show, it’s dealt with immediately, so the chances of catching any other STI from them is also greatly reduced. Let’s end the stigma of HIV. Jesus, I have friends who claim that getting HIV was actually a huge weight off their mind, because now they don’t have to worry about catching it anymore. Yes, the fear of catching it is WORSE than actually having it!! So for all of those minds still stuck in the 80’s and 90’s, ponder on that for a bit. If you do become positive, my heart goes out to you. It’s a tough change in your life, but only because of the stigma that comes with it, and the dread of having to deal with interactions similar to some of the posts in this thread. Actually having HIV, and living with HIV, is less hassle than I took to write this bloody triggered post! If you want to talk about it, please send me a message!!!! Once the initial shock and mental adjustment passes (and it will!), all you need to do is take one pill a day to lead a happy and healthy life. People take more pills for vitamin supplements, ffs. Love and under_tanding is ALWAYS the better option. " Well said matey. I’ve got it and am not shy in making it obvious on my profile. | |||
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"I knew I shouldn’t have bothered looking at this thread. So many old, outdated, and blindly incorrect opinions about HIV and living with HIV. But I did look at it, and now I’m triggered. Just for some people’s clarification - The person at the orgy with HIV, and on medication, is literally the safest person one could have sex with - and bareback sex at that! Some might think that is a controversial statement, but let’s break it down: If they’re on treatment, they will be undetectable, which means they CANNOT pass the virus on to anyone else, no matter how many creampies they bake. Undetectable = Untransmissable. Period! Being on treatment means that they’re getting regular consultations at the hospital, and regular health checks. Cancer, diabetes, sleep problems, kidney and liver function, mental health, and a whole list of other things are regularly checked, discussed, and talked about. They are also getting an STI screening every three months, just in case any other nasties aren’t popping up. If anything does show, it’s dealt with immediately, so the chances of catching any other STI from them is also greatly reduced. Let’s end the stigma of HIV. Jesus, I have friends who claim that getting HIV was actually a huge weight off their mind, because now they don’t have to worry about catching it anymore. Yes, the fear of catching it is WORSE than actually having it!! So for all of those minds still stuck in the 80’s and 90’s, ponder on that for a bit. If you do become positive, my heart goes out to you. It’s a tough change in your life, but only because of the stigma that comes with it, and the dread of having to deal with interactions similar to some of the posts in this thread. Actually having HIV, and living with HIV, is less hassle than I took to write this bloody triggered post! If you want to talk about it, please send me a message!!!! Once the initial shock and mental adjustment passes (and it will!), all you need to do is take one pill a day to lead a happy and healthy life. People take more pills for vitamin supplements, ffs. Love and under_tanding is ALWAYS the better option. Well said matey. I’ve got it and am not shy in making it obvious on my profile. " Being upfront about it is best way. Just a shame some people must give you grief over it x Wish more people got educated about it tbh instead of stuck in dark ages | |||
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"At the end of the day we are here as consenting adults with the ability to make choices. As said in this thread many are seeking a dopamine hit or a release and an alternative place for fun but in order to obtain those things common sense should prevail. In a sensible world we should protect ourselves use prep or condoms but at the very least should go get tested. The government did a wonderful job with it HIV public announcements and scared the bejesus out of most. Unfortunately the stigma remains but it’s no longer a death sentence. Be sensible is all we should ask " Definitely. The best way to approach it rather than fear . | |||
"At the end of the day we are here as consenting adults with the ability to make choices. As said in this thread many are seeking a dopamine hit or a release and an alternative place for fun but in order to obtain those things common sense should prevail. In a sensible world we should protect ourselves use prep or condoms but at the very least should go get tested. The government did a wonderful job with it HIV public announcements and scared the bejesus out of most. Unfortunately the stigma remains but it’s no longer a death sentence. Be sensible is all we should ask Definitely. The best way to approach it rather than fear . "
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"Did you know that 20% of the NHS drug budget is currently in diabetes drugs. Most of that is spent Type 2 diabetes. That's the one that's controlled by diet, what you eat. But they don't watch what they eat, so NHS pay for the drugs. Also FYI, and I'll get abuse for this In 2013,HIV infection in hetros overtook gays" Couldn't find the 2013 data but here are the numbers from 2021 "Of the 2,023 people diagnosed with HIV in England in 2021, 36% were gay, bisexual or other men who have sex with men. Of the 798 heterosexual people diagnosed with HIV in England in 2021, 37% were of Black African ethnicity." So that's 73% of new infections being diagnosed in a very small demographic of the total population. | |||
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"I knew I shouldn’t have bothered looking at this thread. So many old, outdated, and blindly incorrect opinions about HIV and living with HIV. But I did look at it, and now I’m triggered. Just for some people’s clarification - The person at the orgy with HIV, and on medication, is literally the safest person one could have sex with - and bareback sex at that! Some might think that is a controversial statement, but let’s break it down: If they’re on treatment, they will be undetectable, which means they CANNOT pass the virus on to anyone else, no matter how many creampies they bake. Undetectable = Untransmissable. Period! Being on treatment means that they’re getting regular consultations at the hospital, and regular health checks. Cancer, diabetes, sleep problems, kidney and liver function, mental health, and a whole list of other things are regularly checked, discussed, and talked about. They are also getting an STI screening every three months, just in case any other nasties aren’t popping up. If anything does show, it’s dealt with immediately, so the chances of catching any other STI from them is also greatly reduced. Let’s end the stigma of HIV. Jesus, I have friends who claim that getting HIV was actually a huge weight off their mind, because now they don’t have to worry about catching it anymore. Yes, the fear of catching it is WORSE than actually having it!! So for all of those minds still stuck in the 80’s and 90’s, ponder on that for a bit. If you do become positive, my heart goes out to you. It’s a tough change in your life, but only because of the stigma that comes with it, and the dread of having to deal with interactions similar to some of the posts in this thread. Actually having HIV, and living with HIV, is less hassle than I took to write this bloody triggered post! If you want to talk about it, please send me a message!!!! Once the initial shock and mental adjustment passes (and it will!), all you need to do is take one pill a day to lead a happy and healthy life. People take more pills for vitamin supplements, ffs. Love and under_tanding is ALWAYS the better option. " This gent is factually spot on Really is safer bareback with someone who is undetectable than with folks who think they are negative Hiv is passed on by people who don't know they have it Answer is testing and treatment Re other sti's people should also test And remember most sti's can transmit orally so condom of limited value unless used for oral Hiv of course has almost no recorded oral transmission I hope most have had their hep b vaccinations It's preventable And there are now treatments for hep C I think the big worry is actually Drug resistance in Chlamydia and gonorrhea Please test and be adult enough to tell contacts if you have anything If someone contacts you to say they have found out they have a bug Thank them for being responsible enough to tell you That's how we bring infection rates down Sermon over Happy swinging | |||
"People can believe me or not . This is just a true story statement. I live with a 75 y old gay man( i am not gay just for your info) , which is a dear friend of mine as well as my landlord, he’s HIV positive since 20 years and on medication obviously, the way he got it???!! Giving oral/ swallowing, and yes it is a very rare case , BUT , if you’re interacting with someone who doesn’t know to have HIV, they might have a very high viral load , and your mouth has some ulcers/ or kind of open skin irritation ( sorry if my dictionary is not the best) , well that that make the trick. Once again, this is just for your information, and based on a true story, otherwise I wouldn’t spend my time writing this. Happy life to everyone " There are NO documented and proven cases if contracting HIV from oral alone. The risk is of course there and is considered minimal . It's important to realise there us a risk of infection. It has never been proven or documented scientifically that anyone has been infected in this way. | |||
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"Up to your believe, you should get better information about, i am just reporting a fact happened, I don’t gain or loose anything." I am reporting and believing medical evidence. You are not reporting a fact or it would be evidential in the world of sexual health. It is indeed possible but has never actually been proven to have happened. | |||
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"Can you get HIV from giving a guy a blow job?" If the person receiving oral sex is living with HIV, and has a detectable viral load, there is a potential risk. This mainly comes from bodily fluids being transferred from one person to another during ejaculation. This risk is greater if the person performing oral sex has sores or cuts in their mouth, or a throat infection, etc, as the bodily fluids can enter directly into the bloodstream through the cuts. However, if the person receiving oral sex is living with HIV with an undetectable viral load (that’s an UNdetectable viral load), so they’re on effective medication, there is no risk of HIV being transferred to you. It’s always best to have a conversation with that person. Don’t ever be scared to talk about it. You won’t offend them, if you ask questions. | |||
"Can you get HIV from giving a guy a blow job?" Its a theoretical risk bit it's never been proven. Alot of anecdotal reports upon further questioning tend to be untrue ( people feeling guilty or finding it hard to admit the actual risks taken) | |||
"You can go on and on telling me about medical evidences , i am reporting a fact happened, if the directly interested person is up to this, i am more then happy to get you in contact with him." As far as proven medical science , that fact has not happened. No point putting him in touch with me. I am not in control of the recorded statistics or analysing the cases. Put them in touch with the relevant NHS body or research foundation for study. | |||
"Can you get HIV from giving a guy a blow job? Its a theoretical risk bit it's never been proven. Alot of anecdotal reports upon further questioning tend to be untrue ( people feeling guilty or finding it hard to admit the actual risks taken)" Exactly . Precisely this. I've heard it claimed but never any actual recorded proof. I'm very happy to be proved wrong when it's medically proven. Until then, I'd rather not worry people unduly. | |||
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"Did you know that 20% of the NHS drug budget is currently in diabetes drugs. Most of that is spent Type 2 diabetes. That's the one that's controlled by diet, what you eat. But they don't watch what they eat, so NHS pay for the drugs. Also FYI, and I'll get abuse for this In 2013,HIV infection in hetros overtook gays Couldn't find the 2013 data but here are the numbers from 2021 "Of the 2,023 people diagnosed with HIV in England in 2021, 36% were gay, bisexual or other men who have sex with men. Of the 798 heterosexual people diagnosed with HIV in England in 2021, 37% were of Black African ethnicity." So that's 73% of new infections being diagnosed in a very small demographic of the total population." That's not how statistics work though is it? 36% of 2023 is 728 37% of 798 is 295 A total of 1023 individuals. Which is 51% of the total number of new cases. So around half. Meaning the other half aren't gay, bi or MSM's or Black. Not 73%. | |||
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" "Of the 2,023 people diagnosed with HIV in England in 2021, 36% were gay, bisexual or other men who have sex with men. Of the 798 heterosexual people diagnosed with HIV in England in 2021, 37% were of Black African ethnicity." So that's 73% of new infections being diagnosed in a very small demographic of the total population. That's not how statistics work though is it? 36% of 2023 is 728 37% of 798 is 295 A total of 1023 individuals. Which is 51% of the total number of new cases. So around half. Meaning the other half aren't gay, bi or MSM's or Black. Not 73%. "Ok. Now add the number of people from the 2021 census for England: ................................................People...New HIV..per million Black Africans........................2,381,724.....295.......124 Gay, etc. ...............................5,987,919.....728......122 Rest.....................................48,120,157....999.........21 Totals...................................56,489,800..2,023........36 | |||
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"Not sure how it’s homophobia. But what evs. I honestly don’t care" Well it is homophobia and to be honest your comments are unwelcome and distasteful, so do us a favour and do one! | |||
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"Truly remarkable news today that a team at the University of Amsterdam have used CRISPR technology to cut the HIV virus out of cells. It may be at the very early stages but this could be a huge step forward for the treatment of HIV/AIDS https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-68609297" It's great that new research is progressing | |||
"Truly remarkable news today that a team at the University of Amsterdam have used CRISPR technology to cut the HIV virus out of cells. It may be at the very early stages but this could be a huge step forward for the treatment of HIV/AIDS https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-68609297" Excellent. Amazing technological advance. I saw it mentioned in a Dutch newspaper but not a full article | |||
"I knew a girl who was open about having HIV, she was adamant that she would never tell anyone she slept with that she had it. She also insisted on bareback sex. She got it from a past boyfriend, who was a drug user." that’s so wrong | |||
"I knew a girl who was open about having HIV, she was adamant that she would never tell anyone she slept with that she had it. She also insisted on bareback sex. She got it from a past boyfriend, who was a drug user. that’s so wrong " I would class it as boarding on attempted murder! I would have no issues with her getting a 20 year custodial sentence. | |||
"I knew a girl who was open about having HIV, she was adamant that she would never tell anyone she slept with that she had it. She also insisted on bareback sex. She got it from a past boyfriend, who was a drug user. that’s so wrong I would class it as boarding on attempted murder! I would have no issues with her getting a 20 year custodial sentence." Before people comment on this story, we need to know if the girl was talking medication for her HIV diagnosis. If she was (and she’d be dead if she wasn’t), then she would be undetectable, which means that she couldn’t pass the virus on to anyone else. So, no, she doesn’t have to tell anybody about her health status. In fact, her consultant would probably be telling her that it is completely up to her if she wants to disclose it, or not. To call this “attempted murder” is stupidly ignorant to the details of the story, and stupidity ignorant to the facts about living with HIV. You should probably do some reading about it and educate yourself. | |||
"I knew a girl who was open about having HIV, she was adamant that she would never tell anyone she slept with that she had it. She also insisted on bareback sex. She got it from a past boyfriend, who was a drug user. that’s so wrong I would class it as boarding on attempted murder! I would have no issues with her getting a 20 year custodial sentence. Before people comment on this story, we need to know if the girl was talking medication for her HIV diagnosis. If she was (and she’d be dead if she wasn’t), then she would be undetectable, which means that she couldn’t pass the virus on to anyone else. So, no, she doesn’t have to tell anybody about her health status. In fact, her consultant would probably be telling her that it is completely up to her if she wants to disclose it, or not. To call this “attempted murder” is stupidly ignorant to the details of the story, and stupidity ignorant to the facts about living with HIV. You should probably do some reading about it and educate yourself." Educate ourselves about someone who is willingly passing on a incurable disease, that without the medication you'll die ?! I would definitely class it as premeditated murder. | |||
"I knew a girl who was open about having HIV, she was adamant that she would never tell anyone she slept with that she had it. She also insisted on bareback sex. She got it from a past boyfriend, who was a drug user. that’s so wrong I would class it as boarding on attempted murder! I would have no issues with her getting a 20 year custodial sentence. Before people comment on this story, we need to know if the girl was talking medication for her HIV diagnosis. If she was (and she’d be dead if she wasn’t), then she would be undetectable, which means that she couldn’t pass the virus on to anyone else. So, no, she doesn’t have to tell anybody about her health status. In fact, her consultant would probably be telling her that it is completely up to her if she wants to disclose it, or not. To call this “attempted murder” is stupidly ignorant to the details of the story, and stupidity ignorant to the facts about living with HIV. You should probably do some reading about it and educate yourself. Educate ourselves about someone who is willingly passing on a incurable disease, that without the medication you'll die ?! I would definitely class it as premeditated murder." How do you know she is passing it on? Were you at her last consultant’s appointment? Did you hear her doctor tell her that she is infectious? It’s good that you under_tand that without medication this woman would be dead. But as she sounds like she has a rampant sex life, we can assume that she is taking the medication, and she is very healthy. Obviously it is working for her. That same medication that keeps this woman alive also STOPS HER PASSING THE VIRUS ON TO ANYONE ELSE!!!!! I’ll spell this out as simply as possible. If she is taking medication, then she will have an undetectable viral load. Undetectable means untransmissable. Undetectable means that she can bareback until her ass falls off, SHE WON’T PASS THE VIRUS ON TO ANYONE ELSE… EVER!!!! People living with HIV, who are undetectable, don’t have to tell ANYONE about their status because there is ZERO RISK of infecting others. In fact, someone living with HIV, with an undetectable viral load, are actually the safest people to have bareback sex with. You DEFINITELY WILL NOT catch HIV from them, and the chances of catching other STDs off them is statistically lower, because they are generally having sexual health checks more often than people who do not have HIV. Are we learning to be kinder, yet? | |||
"How do you know she is passing it on? Were you at her last consultant’s appointment? Did you hear her doctor tell her that she is infectious? It’s good that you under_tand that without medication this woman would be dead. But as she sounds like she has a rampant sex life, we can assume that she is taking the medication, and she is very healthy. Obviously it is working for her. That same medication that keeps this woman alive also STOPS HER PASSING THE VIRUS ON TO ANYONE ELSE!!!!! I’ll spell this out as simply as possible. If she is taking medication, then she will have an undetectable viral load. Undetectable means untransmissable. Undetectable means that she can bareback until her ass falls off, SHE WON’T PASS THE VIRUS ON TO ANYONE ELSE… EVER!!!! People living with HIV, who are undetectable, don’t have to tell ANYONE about their status because there is ZERO RISK of infecting others. In fact, someone living with HIV, with an undetectable viral load, are actually the safest people to have bareback sex with. You DEFINITELY WILL NOT catch HIV from them, and the chances of catching other STDs off them is statistically lower, because they are generally having sexual health checks more often than people who do not have HIV. Are we learning to be kinder, yet?" Totally this...... Thank goodness some people are aware and passing the message on, this is 2024 not the 1980's | |||
"How do you know she is passing it on? Were you at her last consultant’s appointment? Did you hear her doctor tell her that she is infectious? It’s good that you under_tand that without medication this woman would be dead. But as she sounds like she has a rampant sex life, we can assume that she is taking the medication, and she is very healthy. Obviously it is working for her. That same medication that keeps this woman alive also STOPS HER PASSING THE VIRUS ON TO ANYONE ELSE!!!!! I’ll spell this out as simply as possible. If she is taking medication, then she will have an undetectable viral load. Undetectable means untransmissable. Undetectable means that she can bareback until her ass falls off, SHE WON’T PASS THE VIRUS ON TO ANYONE ELSE… EVER!!!! People living with HIV, who are undetectable, don’t have to tell ANYONE about their status because there is ZERO RISK of infecting others. In fact, someone living with HIV, with an undetectable viral load, are actually the safest people to have bareback sex with. You DEFINITELY WILL NOT catch HIV from them, and the chances of catching other STDs off them is statistically lower, because they are generally having sexual health checks more often than people who do not have HIV. Are we learning to be kinder, yet? Totally this...... Thank goodness some people are aware and passing the message on, this is 2024 not the 1980's" Please keep on passing the U=U message on.  | |||
