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" Watched a programme about this good on the BBC ages ago where the presenter had to eat it and it actually messed with his brain and he showed all the same symptons as a drug addict ?? and then we let our children eat it ??? and a fair few pesky "Experts" don't even want it classed as "Food" as it isn't as most of it is created in a Lab with the speicific target of us eating more and more of it and in bigger portions ?? but the Food industry controls the Government so .... "
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" Watched a programme about this good on the BBC ages ago where the presenter had to eat it and it actually messed with his brain and he showed all the same symptons as a drug addict ?? and then we let our children eat it ??? and a fair few pesky "Experts" don't even want it classed as "Food" as it isn't as most of it is created in a Lab with the speicific target of us eating more and more of it and in bigger portions ?? but the Food industry controls the Government so .... "Dr Xander whatshisface | |||
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"I was reading that cancer is virtually unknown in the Amish community although they have no problem with accessing modern medicine." Morning live mentioned something about we should be eating what our grandmothers had in their larders. | |||
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" Watched a programme about this good on the BBC ages ago where the presenter had to eat it and it actually messed with his brain and he showed all the same symptons as a drug addict ?? and then we let our children eat it ??? and a fair few pesky "Experts" don't even want it classed as "Food" as it isn't as most of it is created in a Lab with the speicific target of us eating more and more of it and in bigger portions ?? but the Food industry controls the Government so ....
This government is totally under the thumb of the food industry "We all know the govt is under the thumb of lobbyists and sponsors. Working for us my arse, we're just minions. | |||
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"If a disease is truly deadly it isn’t effective and doesn’t spread as much because the hosts die and can’t spread it. Considering the entire world caught covid and the statistics are obviously skewed because every Covid related death can’t be attributed directly to Covid, it isn’t as deadly as suggested. Ebola is deadly which is why the entire world didn’t catch it. The term “anti vaxxers” is just a patronising way to insult anybody’s intelligence for not taking the vaccine and branding them a dumb conspiracy theorist, and a way for the person using the term to feel intellectually superior. The onus is on yourself to eat healthy, have a healthy heart and cardiovascular system including arterial health, and develop a strong immune system. Isolating everybody, offering discounts on takeaways, and banning gyms was completely counter intuitive to all of that. I didn’t take the vaccine because I used my own critical thinking as soon as the statistics on deaths started coming out and I’m alive and well. " Why bother bringing Covid and Vaccines into a thread that is related to food intake? | |||
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"If a disease is truly deadly it isn’t effective and doesn’t spread as much because the hosts die and can’t spread it. Considering the entire world caught covid and the statistics are obviously skewed because every Covid related death can’t be attributed directly to Covid, it isn’t as deadly as suggested. Ebola is deadly which is why the entire world didn’t catch it. The term “anti vaxxers” is just a patronising way to insult anybody’s intelligence for not taking the vaccine and branding them a dumb conspiracy theorist, and a way for the person using the term to feel intellectually superior. The onus is on yourself to eat healthy, have a healthy heart and cardiovascular system including arterial health, and develop a strong immune system. Isolating everybody, offering discounts on takeaways, and banning gyms was completely counter intuitive to all of that. I didn’t take the vaccine because I used my own critical thinking as soon as the statistics on deaths started coming out and I’m alive and well. " If only everyone had the same level of critical thinking and was intelligent as you | |||
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" Watched a programme about this good on the BBC ages ago where the presenter had to eat it and it actually messed with his brain and he showed all the same symptons as a drug addict ?? and then we let our children eat it ??? and a fair few pesky "Experts" don't even want it classed as "Food" as it isn't as most of it is created in a Lab with the speicific target of us eating more and more of it and in bigger portions ?? but the Food industry controls the Government so ....
Dr Xander whatshisface "Him and his brother regularly do health programmes on Radio 4, there currently doing one on exercise | |||
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"You don't need a think tank to know too much processed food is bad for you" Exactly | |||
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"If a disease is truly deadly it isn’t effective and doesn’t spread as much because the hosts die and can’t spread it. Considering the entire world caught covid and the statistics are obviously skewed because every Covid related death can’t be attributed directly to Covid, it isn’t as deadly as suggested. Ebola is deadly which is why the entire world didn’t catch it. The term “anti vaxxers” is just a patronising way to insult anybody’s intelligence for not taking the vaccine and branding them a dumb conspiracy theorist, and a way for the person using the term to feel intellectually superior. The onus is on yourself to eat healthy, have a healthy heart and cardiovascular system including arterial health, and develop a strong immune system. Isolating everybody, offering discounts on takeaways, and banning gyms was completely counter intuitive to all of that. I didn’t take the vaccine because I used my own critical thinking as soon as the statistics on deaths started coming out and I’m alive and well. " FYI I do not term everybody who has chosen not to have the vaccine and anti-vaxer. I advocate making an informed decision for oneself, whichever side that falls on. For me, anti-vaxer is a label for anyone who derides the vaccine and people who take it. Another FYI is that the danger lay in the fact it was a novel virus not it's fatality rate which was fairly quickly established. | |||
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"I was reading that cancer is virtually unknown in the Amish community although they have no problem with accessing modern medicine." So they don't smoke? | |||
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"If a disease is truly deadly it isn’t effective and doesn’t spread as much because the hosts die and can’t spread it. Considering the entire world caught covid and the statistics are obviously skewed because every Covid related death can’t be attributed directly to Covid, it isn’t as deadly as suggested. Ebola is deadly which is why the entire world didn’t catch it. The term “anti vaxxers” is just a patronising way to insult anybody’s intelligence for not taking the vaccine and branding them a dumb conspiracy theorist, and a way for the person using the term to feel intellectually superior. The onus is on yourself to eat healthy, have a healthy heart and cardiovascular system including arterial health, and develop a strong immune system. Isolating everybody, offering discounts on takeaways, and banning gyms was completely counter intuitive to all of that. I didn’t take the vaccine because I used my own critical thinking as soon as the statistics on deaths started coming out and I’m alive and well. Why bother bringing Covid and Vaccines into a thread that is related to food intake? " Because the OP mentioned it in her first post! | |||
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"Love this OP - thanks for the info. I just read Hyper Processed People! "Ultra | |||
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"Oldest woman in Ireland died today 108. She previously accredited her long age with only eating fresh food "fresh food and probably lard and dripping | |||
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"Oldest woman in Ireland died today 108. She previously accredited her long age with only eating fresh food fresh food and probably lard and dripping "And full cream dairy products. | |||
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"Didn't a most of those crazy anti vaxers say from the very start that eating ultra processed foods and being morbidly obese increases your chance of dying with covid or the shot? Didn't they get shut down for body shaming and being "classist" by the holier than holy brigade? "Shut down by the same lot who protest against FGM but support teenage girls having 'top surgery' aka subcutaneous mastectomy. | |||
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"If a disease is truly deadly it isn’t effective and doesn’t spread as much because the hosts die and can’t spread it. Considering the entire world caught covid and the statistics are obviously skewed because every Covid related death can’t be attributed directly to Covid, it isn’t as deadly as suggested. Ebola is deadly which is why the entire world didn’t catch it. The term “anti vaxxers” is just a patronising way to insult anybody’s intelligence for not taking the vaccine and branding them a dumb conspiracy theorist, and a way for the person using the term to feel intellectually superior. The onus is on yourself to eat healthy, have a healthy heart and cardiovascular system including arterial health, and develop a strong immune system. Isolating everybody, offering discounts on takeaways, and banning gyms was completely counter intuitive to all of that. I didn’t take the vaccine because I used my own critical thinking as soon as the statistics on deaths started coming out and I’m alive and well. " The problem with Covid is that even asymptomatic infections can cause deleterious changes to your blood vessels- you won’t even realise it is happening. | |||
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"If a disease is truly deadly it isn’t effective and doesn’t spread as much because the hosts die and can’t spread it. Considering the entire world caught covid and the statistics are obviously skewed because every Covid related death can’t be attributed directly to Covid, it isn’t as deadly as suggested. Ebola is deadly which is why the entire world didn’t catch it. The term “anti vaxxers” is just a patronising way to insult anybody’s intelligence for not taking the vaccine and branding them a dumb conspiracy theorist, and a way for the person using the term to feel intellectually superior. The onus is on yourself to eat healthy, have a healthy heart and cardiovascular system including arterial health, and develop a strong immune system. Isolating everybody, offering discounts on takeaways, and banning gyms was completely counter intuitive to all of that. I didn’t take the vaccine because I used my own critical thinking as soon as the statistics on deaths started coming out and I’m alive and well. The problem with Covid is that even asymptomatic infections can cause deleterious changes to your blood vessels- you won’t even realise it is happening. " 'can cause' or 'will cause'? | |||
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"Keeps the plebs happy and dangle a pension in front of them to aim for. All the while adjusting food so they get enough to work into old age but die before they become a burden." That is highly dystopian! I suspect this is less a global elite conspiracy and more an uncoordinated purely profit driven motivation. | |||
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"If a disease is truly deadly it isn’t effective and doesn’t spread as much because the hosts die and can’t spread it. Considering the entire world caught covid and the statistics are obviously skewed because every Covid related death can’t be attributed directly to Covid, it isn’t as deadly as suggested. Ebola is deadly which is why the entire world didn’t catch it. The term “anti vaxxers” is just a patronising way to insult anybody’s intelligence for not taking the vaccine and branding them a dumb conspiracy theorist, and a way for the person using the term to feel intellectually superior. The onus is on yourself to eat healthy, have a healthy heart and cardiovascular system including arterial health, and develop a strong immune system. Isolating everybody, offering discounts on takeaways, and banning gyms was completely counter intuitive to all of that. I didn’t take the vaccine because I used my own critical thinking as soon as the statistics on deaths started coming out and I’m alive and well. The problem with Covid is that even asymptomatic infections can cause deleterious changes to your blood vessels- you won’t even realise it is happening. 'can cause' or 'will cause'? " Will cause change- often mild but this issue is that these changes can be very significant over time | |||
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"Keeps the plebs happy and dangle a pension in front of them to aim for. All the while adjusting food so they get enough to work into old age but die before they become a burden." The trouble is that the pension is dangling further and further away, if the big corporations and their fully bought politicians have their way, most of us will die from eating shit food before we can get our grubby peasant hands on it! | |||
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"I was reading that cancer is virtually unknown in the Amish community although they have no problem with accessing modern medicine." Don't they hide all their deaths?? | |||
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liver recovery  Potassium
I know I studied anatomy & biology. | |||
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"I have a friend who works with these kinds of data who said the following: It's not the fact that they're ultra processed which is the issue, it's the added sugar, salt and saturated fats that are added to them which tip the recommended balance than supplied by other foods. For instance, quorn is highly processed and that's very safe " You're wrong to discount upf. | |||
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"We knew that for a long time.....no offense to op....Eat Natural Food.....(a tune)..... Anyway ya can't go wrong with fresh fruit & veg..... especially the greens.... & nuts & seeds ooooooohhhh & Bananas are full of potassium...
liver recovery Potassium
I know I studied anatomy & biology. "It's not news to me either. My dissertation was on obesity - types and causes was part of it. | |||
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"The problem is nearly everything is processed, weve tried to eliminate processed foods and its bloodt hard work but the more we do the better little to no sugar othwr than honey if we can and mainly single food ingredients. a lot of labels are misleading which is intresting when u start to pay attention, greek style yog, elmea double. Thats a cream replacement lol list goes on " Processed food isn't necessarily an issue - humans have been processing foods for hundreds of years cheese counts as processed- its ultra processed foods that are the problem. Added molecules and ingredients you wouldn't find in a domestic kitchen. The body gets a sweet cue and prepares to deal with sugar- but gets a sweetner instead. Interferes with the bodies natural abilities that have evolved over such a long time. I've recently switched to butter over a vegan margarine and taking steps to reduce the number of UPF's that I eat. I haven't read Dr Xand's book but I'm already turning away from wanting UPF'S after other research. I'll never be UPF free but I'm certainly cutting back quite a bit. | |||
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"If a disease is truly deadly it isn’t effective and doesn’t spread as much because the hosts die and can’t spread it. Considering the entire world caught covid and the statistics are obviously skewed because every Covid related death can’t be attributed directly to Covid, it isn’t as deadly as suggested. Ebola is deadly which is why the entire world didn’t catch it. The term “anti vaxxers” is just a patronising way to insult anybody’s intelligence for not taking the vaccine and branding them a dumb conspiracy theorist, and a way for the person using the term to feel intellectually superior. The onus is on yourself to eat healthy, have a healthy heart and cardiovascular system including arterial health, and develop a strong immune system. Isolating everybody, offering discounts on takeaways, and banning gyms was completely counter intuitive to all of that. I didn’t take the vaccine because I used my own critical thinking as soon as the statistics on deaths started coming out and I’m alive and well. " You were doing well until showed survivor bias and didnt seem to realise we took the vaccine.for others not really ourselves if we were under about 60 | |||
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"If a disease is truly deadly it isn’t effective and doesn’t spread as much because the hosts die and can’t spread it. Considering the entire world caught covid and the statistics are obviously skewed because every Covid related death can’t be attributed directly to Covid, it isn’t as deadly as suggested. Ebola is deadly which is why the entire world didn’t catch it. The term “anti vaxxers” is just a patronising way to insult anybody’s intelligence for not taking the vaccine and branding them a dumb conspiracy theorist, and a way for the person using the term to feel intellectually superior. The onus is on yourself to eat healthy, have a healthy heart and cardiovascular system including arterial health, and develop a strong immune system. Isolating everybody, offering discounts on takeaways, and banning gyms was completely counter intuitive to all of that. I didn’t take the vaccine because I used my own critical thinking as soon as the statistics on deaths started coming out and I’m alive and well. You were doing well until showed survivor bias and didnt seem to realise we took the vaccine.for others not really ourselves if we were under about 60" You took the vaccine for others? | |||
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"If a disease is truly deadly it isn’t effective and doesn’t spread as much because the hosts die and can’t spread it. Considering the entire world caught covid and the statistics are obviously skewed because every Covid related death can’t be attributed directly to Covid, it isn’t as deadly as suggested. Ebola is deadly which is why the entire world didn’t catch it. The term “anti vaxxers” is just a patronising way to insult anybody’s intelligence for not taking the vaccine and branding them a dumb conspiracy theorist, and a way for the person using the term to feel intellectually superior. The onus is on yourself to eat healthy, have a healthy heart and cardiovascular system including arterial health, and develop a strong immune system. Isolating everybody, offering discounts on takeaways, and banning gyms was completely counter intuitive to all of that. I didn’t take the vaccine because I used my own critical thinking as soon as the statistics on deaths started coming out and I’m alive and well. You were doing well until showed survivor bias and didnt seem to realise we took the vaccine.for others not really ourselves if we were under about 60 You took the vaccine for others?" Of course. Covid was unlikely to harm me statistically but the idea was by taking the vaccine en masse we would slow down the spread and allow the nhs to cope better with those who did suffer. Also meant i had less chance of passing it on as it made it less likely it would provoke symtoms. | |||
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"If a disease is truly deadly it isn’t effective and doesn’t spread as much because the hosts die and can’t spread it. Considering the entire world caught covid and the statistics are obviously skewed because every Covid related death can’t be attributed directly to Covid, it isn’t as deadly as suggested. Ebola is deadly which is why the entire world didn’t catch it. The term “anti vaxxers” is just a patronising way to insult anybody’s intelligence for not taking the vaccine and branding them a dumb conspiracy theorist, and a way for the person using the term to feel intellectually superior. The onus is on yourself to eat healthy, have a healthy heart and cardiovascular system including arterial health, and develop a strong immune system. Isolating everybody, offering discounts on takeaways, and banning gyms was completely counter intuitive to all of that. I didn’t take the vaccine because I used my own critical thinking as soon as the statistics on deaths started coming out and I’m alive and well. You were doing well until showed survivor bias and didnt seem to realise we took the vaccine.for others not really ourselves if we were under about 60 You took the vaccine for others? Of course. Covid was unlikely to harm me statistically but the idea was by taking the vaccine en masse we would slow down the spread and allow the nhs to cope better with those who did suffer. Also meant i had less chance of passing it on as it made it less likely it would provoke symtoms." The NHS never copes though does it. Did you have a flu jab every year prior to and since the 'COVID-19 pandemic'? How did countries that didn't have mass COVID-19 vaccinations survive? | |||
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"Genuine question. There’s a push towards a plant based diet, but is there a cross over there into ultra processed foods - surely to get a load of veggies to look and taste like a meat based product has to involve ultra processing them?" Very good point, so they stick it in 'eco-friendly' packaging with a label saying suitable for vegetarians to pretend it's healthy. Vegetarian/vegan mozzarella is a classic example. The $hit that goes into that is shocking. | |||
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"For various reasons we've not used packet or jar sauces for about 10 years. Everything I make is from scratch & I know exactly what has gone into it. The health issues one of us had prior have disappeared. " Was that easy enough to do or did it time time to develop that healthy habit? | |||
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"For various reasons we've not used packet or jar sauces for about 10 years. Everything I make is from scratch & I know exactly what has gone into it. The health issues one of us had prior have disappeared. Was that easy enough to do or did it time time to develop that healthy habit? " Did it overnight, results were almost immediate. Slightly more costly and a bit time consuming, but batch cooking helps. | |||
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"Playing devils advocate could it be partly are own fault for not researching food ingredients and for making the wrong choices ourselves Appreciate sometimes the over processed food is convenient but I did some home healthy cooking recently in batches and it wasn’t that much more £ Sure it takes time but I put on the music, had a sing and boogie and quite enjoyed it " 100 per cent agree. We buy and put all this shit in our mouths and our children's. If we stopped buying it they would stop selling it soon enough | |||
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"Genuine question. There’s a push towards a plant based diet, but is there a cross over there into ultra processed foods - surely to get a load of veggies to look and taste like a meat based product has to involve ultra processing them?" Yes, genuine problem. | |||
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"For various reasons we've not used packet or jar sauces for about 10 years. Everything I make is from scratch & I know exactly what has gone into it. The health issues one of us had prior have disappeared. " Love this. | |||
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"Playing devils advocate could it be partly are own fault for not researching food ingredients and for making the wrong choices ourselves Appreciate sometimes the over processed food is convenient but I did some home healthy cooking recently in batches and it wasn’t that much more £ Sure it takes time but I put on the music, had a sing and boogie and quite enjoyed it " I dont think the onus should be on the consumer to understand the multiple names for different types of sugar (sucralose can do one) the multiple chemicals put into their products and the long term health implications. Yes we can always make better decisions and im all for personal responsibility but its unfair to expect a everyday consumer to behave like an industry expert We have health ministers and food standards. The problem as ever is companies lobbying governments and getting data manipulated to enhance the image of whatever they're selling. Also we have a huge problem that we're not allowed to talk about obesity as if it isn't a huge indicator for decline in health. Day one of Covid it should have been said we know nothing about this virus but we know maintaining a healthy weight and keeping active has an overwhelmingly positive effect on the immine system. But we can't because it would be labeled fat phobic, ablebist and would affect people's mental health. We need a change is laws regarding what can be put into our food and a change in culture where we pretend obesity isn't an issue to be dealt with. | |||
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"Playing devils advocate could it be partly are own fault for not researching food ingredients and for making the wrong choices ourselves Appreciate sometimes the over processed food is convenient but I did some home healthy cooking recently in batches and it wasn’t that much more £ Sure it takes time but I put on the music, had a sing and boogie and quite enjoyed it I dont think the onus should be on the consumer to understand the multiple names for different types of sugar (sucralose can do one) the multiple chemicals put into their products and the long term health implications. Yes we can always make better decisions and im all for personal responsibility but its unfair to expect a everyday consumer to behave like an industry expert We have health ministers and food standards. The problem as ever is companies lobbying governments and getting data manipulated to enhance the image of whatever they're selling. Also we have a huge problem that we're not allowed to talk about obesity as if it isn't a huge indicator for decline in health. Day one of Covid it should have been said we know nothing about this virus but we know maintaining a healthy weight and keeping active has an overwhelmingly positive effect on the immine system. But we can't because it would be labeled fat phobic, ablebist and would affect people's mental health. We need a change is laws regarding what can be put into our food and a change in culture where we pretend obesity isn't an issue to be dealt with. " | |||
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"Eat clean" IE food close as possible to their natural state. The main reason to take on clean eating is the health benefits of consuming foods rich in nutrient content directly from the earth that have not been overly processed. Most Americans eat a diet rich in heavily processed foods which have been made from synthetic ingredients, and packed with fat, sugar, sodium, chemicals, preservatives, food dyes and other additives your body doesn’t quite know what to do with. These additional items may be detrimental to your overall health and well-being. Clean eating nourishes your body with healthy and nutrient-dense foods. Clean foods fill your body with plentiful vitamins and minerals, high-quality protein and healthy fats, which improve heart and brain health, assist with weight management, build a stronger immune system and increase energy levels, among other benefits. Foods in their natural state are more flavorful. Mayoclinic | |||
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"Eat clean IE food close as possible to their natural state. The main reason to take on clean eating is the health benefits of consuming foods rich in nutrient content directly from the earth that have not been overly processed. Most Americans eat a diet rich in heavily processed foods which have been made from synthetic ingredients, and packed with fat, sugar, sodium, chemicals, preservatives, food dyes and other additives your body doesn’t quite know what to do with. These additional items may be detrimental to your overall health and well-being. Clean eating nourishes your body with healthy and nutrient-dense foods. Clean foods fill your body with plentiful vitamins and minerals, high-quality protein and healthy fats, which improve heart and brain health, assist with weight management, build a stronger immune system and increase energy levels, among other benefits. Foods in their natural state are more flavorful. Mayoclinic" They forgot to mention portion sizes... | |||
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"I mainly cook from scratch, hardly ever processed. I saw a documentary concerning billion dollar deals and how they changed the world, concerning the stock market, data brokers and corn oil which has become a billion dollar business as they add it to most processed food now MaccyDs also other fast food outlets has it in all of its products and it is blamed for obesity in the USA due to its high fat content not sure how it is classed here though?" Follow the money.
Ensuring we consume chemically refined, bleached, and deodorized oils is indeed a £billion industry. | |||
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"Playing devils advocate could it be partly are own fault for not researching food ingredients and for making the wrong choices ourselves Appreciate sometimes the over processed food is convenient but I did some home healthy cooking recently in batches and it wasn’t that much more £ Sure it takes time but I put on the music, had a sing and boogie and quite enjoyed it I dont think the onus should be on the consumer to understand the multiple names for different types of sugar (sucralose can do one) the multiple chemicals put into their products and the long term health implications. Yes we can always make better decisions and im all for personal responsibility but its unfair to expect a everyday consumer to behave like an industry expert We have health ministers and food standards. The problem as ever is companies lobbying governments and getting data manipulated to enhance the image of whatever they're selling. Also we have a huge problem that we're not allowed to talk about obesity as if it isn't a huge indicator for decline in health. Day one of Covid it should have been said we know nothing about this virus but we know maintaining a healthy weight and keeping active has an overwhelmingly positive effect on the immine system. But we can't because it would be labeled fat phobic, ablebist and would affect people's mental health. We need a change is laws regarding what can be put into our food and a change in culture where we pretend obesity isn't an issue to be dealt with. " I think we’re having plenty of conversations about obesity and how it affects and reflects the health of the population. The problem comes when people make judgements about why people are obese and what they can do about it. The vast majority of people who are obese are not happy about the situation, but telling them it’s their own fault and they just need to eat less and exercise more, is not going to help. The problem is not talking about obesity, it’s how we talk about obesity. | |||
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"You don't need a think tank to know too much processed food is bad for you" Many people now eat very little fresh good and do not prep or cook for themselves. It's very likely they do not consider any of the risks from processing and additives at all. The sheer size of people now and the evidence on here that obesity is somehow o be celebrated is another indication that many do not worry about health implications from poor food choice. | |||
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" I think we’re having plenty of conversations about obesity and how it affects and reflects the health of the population. The problem comes when people make judgements about why people are obese and what they can do about it. The vast majority of people who are obese are not happy about the situation, but telling them it’s their own fault and they just need to eat less and exercise more, is not going to help. The problem is not talking about obesity, it’s how we talk about obesity." I dont think anyone should be told its their own fault unless they specifically ask for the opinion and it is in fact their fault. It's got nothing to do with other people regardless. I agree that we don't handle it very well but I would say that train goes in both directions. A doctor should be able to directly tell you your weight is causing issues, the fact its upsetting should be irrelevant. The modern standpoint 'seems' to be that you can be fit at any weight which is a lie. The amount of of fatness influences who have died as a direct cause of their weight is astonishing. The NHS is cutting off limbs at a rate never seen due to diabetes, it shouldn't be controversial to say keep a healthy weight and stay active. | |||
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"Playing devils advocate could it be partly are own fault for not researching food ingredients and for making the wrong choices ourselves Appreciate sometimes the over processed food is convenient but I did some home healthy cooking recently in batches and it wasn’t that much more £ Sure it takes time but I put on the music, had a sing and boogie and quite enjoyed it I dont think the onus should be on the consumer to understand the multiple names for different types of sugar (sucralose can do one) the multiple chemicals put into their products and the long term health implications. Yes we can always make better decisions and im all for personal responsibility but its unfair to expect a everyday consumer to behave like an industry expert We have health ministers and food standards. The problem as ever is companies lobbying governments and getting data manipulated to enhance the image of whatever they're selling. Also we have a huge problem that we're not allowed to talk about obesity as if it isn't a huge indicator for decline in health. Day one of Covid it should have been said we know nothing about this virus but we know maintaining a healthy weight and keeping active has an overwhelmingly positive effect on the immine system. But we can't because it would be labeled fat phobic, ablebist and would affect people's mental health. We need a change is laws regarding what can be put into our food and a change in culture where we pretend obesity isn't an issue to be dealt with. I think we’re having plenty of conversations about obesity and how it affects and reflects the health of the population. The problem comes when people make judgements about why people are obese and what they can do about it. The vast majority of people who are obese are not happy about the situation, but telling them it’s their own fault and they just need to eat less and exercise more, is not going to help. The problem is not talking about obesity, it’s how we talk about obesity." What? For the majority of obese people, it is entirely down to them to lose weight. Tiptoeing round the problem isn't going to help them. People need to be held accountable for their obesity. Here's a few gems from Dr Now... "The scale doesn’t lie, people lie" "You don’t gain weight from thin air” "COVID did not make you eat that.” Are they mean and nasty? No, they are the truth! | |||
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" What? For the majority of obese people, it is entirely down to them to lose weight. Tiptoeing round the problem isn't going to help them. People need to be held accountable for their obesity. Here's a few gems from Dr Now... "The scale doesn’t lie, people lie" "You don’t gain weight from thin air” "COVID did not make you eat that.” Are they mean and nasty? No, they are the truth!" People need to be held accountable? To Whom? Again all for personal responsibility but no one owns anything to anyone. I dont drink but doesn't mean its justified me going around telling people to stop drinking. People can be obese as they want, it's goy nothing to do with anyone else. I'm simply challenging the stigma around saying facts (without directing it towards anyone) | |||
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" What? For the majority of obese people, it is entirely down to them to lose weight. Tiptoeing round the problem isn't going to help them. People need to be held accountable for their obesity. Here's a few gems from Dr Now... "The scale doesn’t lie, people lie" "You don’t gain weight from thin air” "COVID did not make you eat that.” Are they mean and nasty? No, they are the truth! People need to be held accountable? To Whom? Again all for personal responsibility but no one owns anything to anyone. I dont drink but doesn't mean its justified me going around telling people to stop drinking. People can be obese as they want, it's goy nothing to do with anyone else. I'm simply challenging the stigma around saying facts (without directing it towards anyone)" People who are obese know that they are. It is not a few pounds overweight or within reasonable parameters. They know and many ignore and hide away from it, convincing themselves that it's ok. But we all pay for it through taxes and the strain on the NHS. It's an issue that can and does affect us all. | |||
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" I think we’re having plenty of conversations about obesity and how it affects and reflects the health of the population. The problem comes when people make judgements about why people are obese and what they can do about it. The vast majority of people who are obese are not happy about the situation, but telling them it’s their own fault and they just need to eat less and exercise more, is not going to help. The problem is not talking about obesity, it’s how we talk about obesity. I dont think anyone should be told its their own fault unless they specifically ask for the opinion and it is in fact their fault. It's got nothing to do with other people regardless. I agree that we don't handle it very well but I would say that train goes in both directions. A doctor should be able to directly tell you your weight is causing issues, the fact its upsetting should be irrelevant. The modern standpoint 'seems' to be that you can be fit at any weight which is a lie. The amount of of fatness influences who have died as a direct cause of their weight is astonishing. The NHS is cutting off limbs at a rate never seen due to diabetes, it shouldn't be controversial to say keep a healthy weight and stay active." Doctors tell people that their weight is the issue, or at least a contributing factor, all the time. Some are better at it than others, and this where you get stupid articles in the Mail saying that doctors are being told they aren’t allowed to tell people they are fat. What doctors are told us that there is a way to do it that works, and a way that doesn’t, and they are told how to do it the right way. | |||
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"Playing devils advocate could it be partly are own fault for not researching food ingredients and for making the wrong choices ourselves Appreciate sometimes the over processed food is convenient but I did some home healthy cooking recently in batches and it wasn’t that much more £ Sure it takes time but I put on the music, had a sing and boogie and quite enjoyed it I dont think the onus should be on the consumer to understand the multiple names for different types of sugar (sucralose can do one) the multiple chemicals put into their products and the long term health implications. Yes we can always make better decisions and im all for personal responsibility but its unfair to expect a everyday consumer to behave like an industry expert We have health ministers and food standards. The problem as ever is companies lobbying governments and getting data manipulated to enhance the image of whatever they're selling. Also we have a huge problem that we're not allowed to talk about obesity as if it isn't a huge indicator for decline in health. Day one of Covid it should have been said we know nothing about this virus but we know maintaining a healthy weight and keeping active has an overwhelmingly positive effect on the immine system. But we can't because it would be labeled fat phobic, ablebist and would affect people's mental health. We need a change is laws regarding what can be put into our food and a change in culture where we pretend obesity isn't an issue to be dealt with. I think we’re having plenty of conversations about obesity and how it affects and reflects the health of the population. The problem comes when people make judgements about why people are obese and what they can do about it. The vast majority of people who are obese are not happy about the situation, but telling them it’s their own fault and they just need to eat less and exercise more, is not going to help. The problem is not talking about obesity, it’s how we talk about obesity. What? For the majority of obese people, it is entirely down to them to lose weight. Tiptoeing round the problem isn't going to help them. People need to be held accountable for their obesity. Here's a few gems from Dr Now... "The scale doesn’t lie, people lie" "You don’t gain weight from thin air” "COVID did not make you eat that.” Are they mean and nasty? No, they are the truth!" As i said, there are people whose brains cannot cope with complexity who need to believe everything is simple. | |||
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" Doctors tell people that their weight is the issue, or at least a contributing factor, all the time. Some are better at it than others, and this where you get stupid articles in the Mail saying that doctors are being told they aren’t allowed to tell people they are fat. What doctors are told us that there is a way to do it that works, and a way that doesn’t, and they are told how to do it the right way." Doctors are human, they do things poorly and well in equal measures. I'm not sure there is a right way. Personally I work better with blunt direct chat, flowery language would stop me paying any level of attention. They are also suspectible to the same 'feeling' in how the culture has shifted to any form of conversation about weight is body shaming. I havent pointed out at any point that doctors are not allowed to say anything about weight. | |||
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" I think we’re having plenty of conversations about obesity and how it affects and reflects the health of the population. The problem comes when people make judgements about why people are obese and what they can do about it. The vast majority of people who are obese are not happy about the situation, but telling them it’s their own fault and they just need to eat less and exercise more, is not going to help. The problem is not talking about obesity, it’s how we talk about obesity. I dont think anyone should be told its their own fault unless they specifically ask for the opinion and it is in fact their fault. It's got nothing to do with other people regardless. I agree that we don't handle it very well but I would say that train goes in both directions. A doctor should be able to directly tell you your weight is causing issues, the fact its upsetting should be irrelevant. The modern standpoint 'seems' to be that you can be fit at any weight which is a lie. The amount of of fatness influences who have died as a direct cause of their weight is astonishing. The NHS is cutting off limbs at a rate never seen due to diabetes, it shouldn't be controversial to say keep a healthy weight and stay active. Doctors tell people that their weight is the issue, or at least a contributing factor, all the time. Some are better at it than others, and this where you get stupid articles in the Mail saying that doctors are being told they aren’t allowed to tell people they are fat. What doctors are told us that there is a way to do it that works, and a way that doesn’t, and they are told how to do it the right way." I'm overweight. Have been for a few years. On the rare ocassion I've managed to see a GP, I haven't been weighed nor has he told me in any language I'm overweight. When I've mentioned it and asked for help they've not helped nor sign posted me. Now is it the drs fault im overweight..? Not at all. But Im not convinced it's being addressed in any way. | |||
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" I think we’re having plenty of conversations about obesity and how it affects and reflects the health of the population. The problem comes when people make judgements about why people are obese and what they can do about it. The vast majority of people who are obese are not happy about the situation, but telling them it’s their own fault and they just need to eat less and exercise more, is not going to help. The problem is not talking about obesity, it’s how we talk about obesity. I dont think anyone should be told its their own fault unless they specifically ask for the opinion and it is in fact their fault. It's got nothing to do with other people regardless. I agree that we don't handle it very well but I would say that train goes in both directions. A doctor should be able to directly tell you your weight is causing issues, the fact its upsetting should be irrelevant. The modern standpoint 'seems' to be that you can be fit at any weight which is a lie. The amount of of fatness influences who have died as a direct cause of their weight is astonishing. The NHS is cutting off limbs at a rate never seen due to diabetes, it shouldn't be controversial to say keep a healthy weight and stay active." My diabetic nurse tells me straight! X | |||
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"Almost everything we eat is bad for us! I just eat what I like and b happy! X And this is the issue with many people. Will you be happy even the food choices prematurely bring on or exacerbate health issues?" Yes I'm happy! I know it will shorten my life! But at mo I'm fit and healthy ish! X | |||
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" What? For the majority of obese people, it is entirely down to them to lose weight. Tiptoeing round the problem isn't going to help them. People need to be held accountable for their obesity. Here's a few gems from Dr Now... "The scale doesn’t lie, people lie" "You don’t gain weight from thin air” "COVID did not make you eat that.” Are they mean and nasty? No, they are the truth! People need to be held accountable? To Whom? Again all for personal responsibility but no one owns anything to anyone. I dont drink but doesn't mean its justified me going around telling people to stop drinking. People can be obese as they want, it's goy nothing to do with anyone else. I'm simply challenging the stigma around saying facts (without directing it towards anyone) People who are obese know that they are. It is not a few pounds overweight or within reasonable parameters. They know and many ignore and hide away from it, convincing themselves that it's ok. But we all pay for it through taxes and the strain on the NHS. It's an issue that can and does affect us all. " Actually research tells us that men are good at judging obesity in women but not themselves. Women are better at judging obesity in themselves but at a category behind. Men tend to be two categories behind. Every body recognises obesity in the third category as obesity (IE without stating a category). At present there are three categories 30-35, 35-40, 40+ | |||
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""Blossom Tree I'm very concerned for you, your weight isn't healthy and with your family history that makes you doubly suspectible to x & y" Said no Dr to me ever... In my early thirties I was very near an obese BMI... I've turned things around by myself, almost 5 stone weight loss which has been done in a slow and sustainable way (apart from lockdown it's never gone back up), I'm still overweight BMI about another 2 stone and I'll be happy. UPF's are my next area of improvement, I'm aiming to reduce the amount I eat, I've already noticed last few weeks the weight is dropping away again the more I focus on real food." GPs should be following NICE guidelines and weighing people. With a BMI of 30+ they could refer people to their choice of slimming world or weight watchers. However, the funding may have been pulled  | |||
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""Blossom Tree I'm very concerned for you, your weight isn't healthy and with your family history that makes you doubly suspectible to x & y" Said no Dr to me ever... In my early thirties I was very near an obese BMI... I've turned things around by myself, almost 5 stone weight loss which has been done in a slow and sustainable way (apart from lockdown it's never gone back up), I'm still overweight BMI about another 2 stone and I'll be happy. UPF's are my next area of improvement, I'm aiming to reduce the amount I eat, I've already noticed last few weeks the weight is dropping away again the more I focus on real food." Smashed it! | |||
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"I was reading that cancer is virtually unknown in the Amish community although they have no problem with accessing modern medicine. Morning live mentioned something about we should be eating what our grandmothers had in their larders." And the average life expectancy of Grans generation?? | |||
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" And the average life expectancy of Grans generation?? "Less. With less advances in medicine. But far far fewer deaths with weight related causes | |||
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"I was reading that cancer is virtually unknown in the Amish community although they have no problem with accessing modern medicine. Morning live mentioned something about we should be eating what our grandmothers had in their larders. And the average life expectancy of Grans generation?? "Dunno but my nan lived to be in her 90s  | |||
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"I was reading that cancer is virtually unknown in the Amish community although they have no problem with accessing modern medicine. Morning live mentioned something about we should be eating what our grandmothers had in their larders. And the average life expectancy of Grans generation?? "My grandparents lasted way longer than my parents did and my great grandparents even longer than that... | |||
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""Two large European studies published by The BMJ today find positive associations between consumption of highly processed (“ultra-processed”) foods and risk of cardiovascular disease and death." Just rest a spoke a day n it will keep the doctor away .. More likely than the "jib jab", "convid vaccine" and whatever other derogatory labels anti-vaxers want to use. The research title is this thread's heading." | |||
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"I was reading that cancer is virtually unknown in the Amish community although they have no problem with accessing modern medicine. Morning live mentioned something about we should be eating what our grandmothers had in their larders. And the average life expectancy of Grans generation??
My grandparents lasted way longer than my parents did and my great grandparents even longer than that... "That is recognised. I looked at life expectancy and there's the calculations at birth dependent on year of birth, but there's also a later calculation that can exceed someone much younger... Hey, nothing is simple | |||
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"I was reading that cancer is virtually unknown in the Amish community although they have no problem with accessing modern medicine. Morning live mentioned something about we should be eating what our grandmothers had in their larders. And the average life expectancy of Grans generation??
My grandparents lasted way longer than my parents did and my great grandparents even longer than that... "Yeah weird, never thought about it but 3 of my 4 grandparents lasted into their 90s and exceeded my parents by at least 10 years.... Maybe it's the mobile phones? | |||
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"I was reading that cancer is virtually unknown in the Amish community although they have no problem with accessing modern medicine. Morning live mentioned something about we should be eating what our grandmothers had in their larders. And the average life expectancy of Grans generation??
My grandparents lasted way longer than my parents did and my great grandparents even longer than that...
Yeah weird, never thought about it but 3 of my 4 grandparents lasted into their 90s and exceeded my parents by at least 10 years....
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""Blossom Tree I'm very concerned for you, your weight isn't healthy and with your family history that makes you doubly suspectible to x & y" Said no Dr to me ever... In my early thirties I was very near an obese BMI... I've turned things around by myself, almost 5 stone weight loss which has been done in a slow and sustainable way (apart from lockdown it's never gone back up), I'm still overweight BMI about another 2 stone and I'll be happy. UPF's are my next area of improvement, I'm aiming to reduce the amount I eat, I've already noticed last few weeks the weight is dropping away again the more I focus on real food." It’s not possible to be ‘very near an obese BMI’ lose 5 stones, and still be overweight. | |||
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"Cell phones or microwaves don’t affect your health in any way. The only thing they can do is to warm the water in your body, but thankfully your body has a way to respond to this. Non stick cookware products are safe too, as PFOA’s have been eliminated from products since 2015 " My post was tongue in cheek | |||
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"I was reading that cancer is virtually unknown in the Amish community although they have no problem with accessing modern medicine. Morning live mentioned something about we should be eating what our grandmothers had in their larders. And the average life expectancy of Grans generation??
My grandparents lasted way longer than my parents did and my great grandparents even longer than that...
Yeah weird, never thought about it but 3 of my 4 grandparents lasted into their 90s and exceeded my parents by at least 10 years....
Maybe it's the mobile phones?
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" My post was tongue in cheek" I understand that. However, I think a lot of people here might take it seriously, as I’ve read quite a few things on this thread that the literature in nutritional research has shown that are basically myths years ago (i.e. seed oils are inflammatory) | |||
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""Blossom Tree I'm very concerned for you, your weight isn't healthy and with your family history that makes you doubly suspectible to x & y" Said no Dr to me ever... In my early thirties I was very near an obese BMI... I've turned things around by myself, almost 5 stone weight loss which has been done in a slow and sustainable way (apart from lockdown it's never gone back up), I'm still overweight BMI about another 2 stone and I'll be happy. UPF's are my next area of improvement, I'm aiming to reduce the amount I eat, I've already noticed last few weeks the weight is dropping away again the more I focus on real food. It’s not possible to be ‘very near an obese BMI’ lose 5 stones, and still be overweight." You are right, I missed out the word "morbidly" obese. | |||
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""Blossom Tree I'm very concerned for you, your weight isn't healthy and with your family history that makes you doubly suspectible to x & y" Said no Dr to me ever... In my early thirties I was very near an obese BMI... I've turned things around by myself, almost 5 stone weight loss which has been done in a slow and sustainable way (apart from lockdown it's never gone back up), I'm still overweight BMI about another 2 stone and I'll be happy. UPF's are my next area of improvement, I'm aiming to reduce the amount I eat, I've already noticed last few weeks the weight is dropping away again the more I focus on real food. It’s not possible to be ‘very near an obese BMI’ lose 5 stones, and still be overweight. You are right, I missed out the word "morbidly" obese." Girl done good. Keep up the excellent work | |||
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"If a disease is truly deadly it isn’t effective and doesn’t spread as much because the hosts die and can’t spread it. Considering the entire world caught covid and the statistics are obviously skewed because every Covid related death can’t be attributed directly to Covid, it isn’t as deadly as suggested. Ebola is deadly which is why the entire world didn’t catch it. The term “anti vaxxers” is just a patronising way to insult anybody’s intelligence for not taking the vaccine and branding them a dumb conspiracy theorist, and a way for the person using the term to feel intellectually superior. The onus is on yourself to eat healthy, have a healthy heart and cardiovascular system including arterial health, and develop a strong immune system. Isolating everybody, offering discounts on takeaways, and banning gyms was completely counter intuitive to all of that. I didn’t take the vaccine because I used my own critical thinking as soon as the statistics on deaths started coming out and I’m alive and well. The problem with Covid is that even asymptomatic infections can cause deleterious changes to your blood vessels- you won’t even realise it is happening. 'can cause' or 'will cause'? " Tell me more. | |||
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"Our grandparents went to the local shops (greengrocers, fishmongers, butcher, baker) every couple of days to buy what they needed. The root problem is supermarkets. They changed people’s shopping/buying habits and required food producers/manufacturers to provide product with longer shelf life to maximise profits. As shopping/buying habits have changed it is increasingly more difficult to shop the way our grandparents did. " Frozen fruit and veg is better than tinned (added salts/sugar solution), as for fresh food v frozen. Fresh food is really great the moment it is picked, but the clock is ticking, as soon it is picked as it is normally kept at ambient or chilled temperatures. Frozen food should be hitting the freezers as soon as possible and enters the food processing/packing plants. The colder food is, the longer the shelf life. Ice, vacuum or inert gas packaging are really helpful and heathy methods. So on this occasion; physics beats chemistry in promoting a long shelf life without the risks that additives bring. Someone needs to tell the FDA that washing eggs is a waste of money and time: as we can store eggs in this country at room temperature, both in the shops and at home. | |||
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"Keeps the plebs happy and dangle a pension in front of them to aim for. All the while adjusting food so they get enough to work into old age but die before they become a burden. The trouble is that the pension is dangling further and further away, if the big corporations and their fully bought politicians have their way, most of us will die from eating shit food before we can get our grubby peasant hands on it!" No wonder the French went out protesting. | |||
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"I have a friend who works with these kinds of data who said the following: It's not the fact that they're ultra processed which is the issue, it's the added sugar, salt and saturated fats that are added to them which tip the recommended balance than supplied by other foods. For instance, quorn is highly processed and that's very safe " and high-fructose corn syrup too | |||
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My grandparents lasted way longer than my parents did and my great grandparents even longer than that...
Yeah weird, never thought about it but 3 of my 4 grandparents lasted into their 90s and exceeded my parents by at least 10 years....
Maybe it's the mobile phones?
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"Oldest woman in Ireland died today 108. She previously accredited her long age with only eating fresh food "I thought she put her long life down to not dying. | |||
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"The best analagy that I heard is that the food companies are like drug dealers. They cut pure food with chemicals to make it more profitable. They also want their products to be as addictive as possible. They don't care that some of their customers will die as long as the profits keep coming in. " short and sweet: just life their customers' life span. | |||
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"i'm following Micheal Mosley, google him, i think he;s a scientist as opposed to a dietician. He's on channel 4 on the TV, google that to. its quite amazing what todays supermarket foods are doing to our bodies and affecting our health. He can literally re set your body the way it works in day to day life if you follow his suggestions which are backed up scientificaly. This week he opened my eyes , fresh orange juice has 6 teaspoons of sugar, thats on google too...so not the healthiest of drinks. " Sugar from oranges isn't refined sugar. As with all foods, moderation is key | |||
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"Eddie Abbew is another Stop eating this sugary shit !!! He’s brilliant, think he’s also a gym owner and was the bodybuilder that flexed on stages Definition of highly processed food is anything with more then 5 additives Bread is a prime example, consisting of flour,yeast,water and salt Have a look at the ingredients of the shit from supermarkets Buy from local bakery Mr" Oops my bad I was looking at Eddie Hall when I wrote that!!! Yeah Eddie Abbew owns a gym in Hemel. My friends and I moved him from the old gym to the new one next door, was brutal!!! | |||
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" Definition of highly processed food is anything with more then 5 additives Bread is a prime example, consisting of flour,yeast,water and salt Buy from local bakery " That's actually 4 ingredients lol I'm not a baker but do bakeries not use those 4 ingredients too  | |||
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" Definition of highly processed food is anything with more then 5 additives Bread is a prime example, consisting of flour,yeast,water and salt Buy from local bakery That's actually 4 ingredients lol I'm not a baker but do bakeries not use those 4 ingredients too "You haven’t quoted my original post properly Having cut out the comparison to supermarket bread Vs local bakery Either that or you have missed completely my point | |||
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"Eddie Abbew is another Stop eating this sugary shit !!! He’s brilliant, think he’s also a gym owner and was the bodybuilder that flexed on stages Definition of highly processed food is anything with more then 5 additives Bread is a prime example, consisting of flour,yeast,water and salt Have a look at the ingredients of the shit from supermarkets Buy from local bakery Mr Oops my bad I was looking at Eddie Hall when I wrote that!!! Yeah Eddie Abbew owns a gym in Hemel. My friends and I moved him from the old gym to the new one next door, was brutal!!!" Yes I did wonder if that was the case He’s great isn’t he | |||
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"Eddie Abbew is another Stop eating this sugary shit !!! He’s brilliant, think he’s also a gym owner and was the bodybuilder that flexed on stages The irony is of course he was a steroid head,but he’s probably doing way more good to peoples lives then any damage done to his in the past so credit where it due Definition of highly processed food is anything with more then 5 additives Bread is a prime example, consisting of flour,yeast,water and salt Have a look at the ingredients of the shit from supermarkets Buy from local bakery Mr" Your post quoted in its entirety You say "Definition of highly processed food is anything with more then 5 additives" Then you say "Bread is a prime example, consisting of flour,yeast,water and salt" Your example of bread only contains 4 ingredients. My question is ... Do bakeries not use the same 4 ingredients ? | |||
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"Eddie Abbew is another Stop eating this sugary shit !!! He’s brilliant, think he’s also a gym owner and was the bodybuilder that flexed on stages The irony is of course he was a steroid head,but he’s probably doing way more good to peoples lives then any damage done to his in the past so credit where it due Definition of highly processed food is anything with more then 5 additives Bread is a prime example, consisting of flour,yeast,water and salt Have a look at the ingredients of the shit from supermarkets Buy from local bakery Mr Your post quoted in its entirety You say "Definition of highly processed food is anything with more then 5 additives" Then you say "Bread is a prime example, consisting of flour,yeast,water and salt" Your example of bread only contains 4 ingredients. My question is ... Do bakeries not use the same 4 ingredients ?" Wasn't the point greater than 5 additives not ingredients? | |||
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"Eddie Abbew is another Stop eating this sugary shit !!! He’s brilliant, think he’s also a gym owner and was the bodybuilder that flexed on stages The irony is of course he was a steroid head,but he’s probably doing way more good to peoples lives then any damage done to his in the past so credit where it due Definition of highly processed food is anything with more then 5 additives Bread is a prime example, consisting of flour,yeast,water and salt Have a look at the ingredients of the shit from supermarkets Buy from local bakery Mr Your post quoted in its entirety You say "Definition of highly processed food is anything with more then 5 additives" Then you say "Bread is a prime example, consisting of flour,yeast,water and salt" Your example of bread only contains 4 ingredients. My question is ... Do bakeries not use the same 4 ingredients ? Wasn't the point greater than 5 additives not ingredients? " Absolutely correct, brain fart | |||
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"The idea is to eat anything with ingredients that you’d find in a normal kitchen!! Basically no additives, preservatives, (old e-numbers) etc " We do, but the concern is what is contained in those "natural" products. Fertiliser, pesticides, growth enhancers, all that crap | |||
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"The idea is to eat anything with ingredients that you’d find in a normal kitchen!! Basically no additives, preservatives, (old e-numbers) etc We do, but the concern is what is contained in those "natural" products. Fertiliser, pesticides, growth enhancers, all that crap " This is also true... The food chain is as trustworthy as... A water company boss | |||
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"If a disease is truly deadly it isn’t effective and doesn’t spread as much because the hosts die and can’t spread it. Considering the entire world caught covid and the statistics are obviously skewed because every Covid related death can’t be attributed directly to Covid, it isn’t as deadly as suggested. Ebola is deadly which is why the entire world didn’t catch it. The term “anti vaxxers” is just a patronising way to insult anybody’s intelligence for not taking the vaccine and branding them a dumb conspiracy theorist, and a way for the person using the term to feel intellectually superior. The onus is on yourself to eat healthy, have a healthy heart and cardiovascular system including arterial health, and develop a strong immune system. Isolating everybody, offering discounts on takeaways, and banning gyms was completely counter intuitive to all of that. I didn’t take the vaccine because I used my own critical thinking as soon as the statistics on deaths started coming out and I’m alive and well. " moronic statement, what about the science | |||
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"Eddie Abbew is another Stop eating this sugary shit !!! He’s brilliant, think he’s also a gym owner and was the bodybuilder that flexed on stages The irony is of course he was a steroid head,but he’s probably doing way more good to peoples lives then any damage done to his in the past so credit where it due Definition of highly processed food is anything with more then 5 additives Bread is a prime example, consisting of flour,yeast,water and salt Have a look at the ingredients of the shit from supermarkets Buy from local bakery Mr Your post quoted in its entirety You say "Definition of highly processed food is anything with more then 5 additives" Then you say "Bread is a prime example, consisting of flour,yeast,water and salt" Your example of bread only contains 4 ingredients. My question is ... Do bakeries not use the same 4 ingredients ? Wasn't the point greater than 5 additives not ingredients? Absolutely correct, brain fart " Sometimes being to pedantic can make a statement like this look well exactly what it is But I don’t think it was intentional | |||
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"If a disease is truly deadly it isn’t effective and doesn’t spread as much because the hosts die and can’t spread it. Considering the entire world caught covid and the statistics are obviously skewed because every Covid related death can’t be attributed directly to Covid, it isn’t as deadly as suggested. Ebola is deadly which is why the entire world didn’t catch it. The term “anti vaxxers” is just a patronising way to insult anybody’s intelligence for not taking the vaccine and branding them a dumb conspiracy theorist, and a way for the person using the term to feel intellectually superior. The onus is on yourself to eat healthy, have a healthy heart and cardiovascular system including arterial health, and develop a strong immune system. Isolating everybody, offering discounts on takeaways, and banning gyms was completely counter intuitive to all of that. I didn’t take the vaccine because I used my own critical thinking as soon as the statistics on deaths started coming out and I’m alive and well. " 100% agreed with you Bro | |||
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"Eddie Abbew is another Stop eating this sugary shit !!! He’s brilliant, think he’s also a gym owner and was the bodybuilder that flexed on stages The irony is of course he was a steroid head,but he’s probably doing way more good to peoples lives then any damage done to his in the past so credit where it due Definition of highly processed food is anything with more then 5 additives Bread is a prime example, consisting of flour,yeast,water and salt Have a look at the ingredients of the shit from supermarkets Buy from local bakery Mr Your post quoted in its entirety You say "Definition of highly processed food is anything with more then 5 additives" Then you say "Bread is a prime example, consisting of flour,yeast,water and salt" Your example of bread only contains 4 ingredients. My question is ... Do bakeries not use the same 4 ingredients ? Wasn't the point greater than 5 additives not ingredients? Absolutely correct, brain fart Sometimes being to pedantic can make a statement like this look well exactly what it is But I don’t think it was intentional "*too pedantic | |||
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"Eat clean IE food close as possible to their natural state. The main reason to take on clean eating is the health benefits of consuming foods rich in nutrient content directly from the earth that have not been overly processed. Most Americans eat a diet rich in heavily processed foods which have been made from synthetic ingredients, and packed with fat, sugar, sodium, chemicals, preservatives, food dyes and other additives your body doesn’t quite know what to do with. These additional items may be detrimental to your overall health and well-being. Clean eating nourishes your body with healthy and nutrient-dense foods. Clean foods fill your body with plentiful vitamins and minerals, high-quality protein and healthy fats, which improve heart and brain health, assist with weight management, build a stronger immune system and increase energy levels, among other benefits. Foods in their natural state are more flavorful. Mayoclinic" Yet Mayo is processed  | |||
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"Eddie Abbew is another Stop eating this sugary shit !!! He’s brilliant, think he’s also a gym owner and was the bodybuilder that flexed on stages The irony is of course he was a steroid head,but he’s probably doing way more good to peoples lives then any damage done to his in the past so credit where it due Definition of highly processed food is anything with more then 5 additives Bread is a prime example, consisting of flour,yeast,water and salt Have a look at the ingredients of the shit from supermarkets Buy from local bakery Mr Your post quoted in its entirety You say "Definition of highly processed food is anything with more then 5 additives" Then you say "Bread is a prime example, consisting of flour,yeast,water and salt" Your example of bread only contains 4 ingredients. My question is ... Do bakeries not use the same 4 ingredients ? Wasn't the point greater than 5 additives not ingredients? Absolutely correct, brain fart Sometimes being to pedantic can make a statement like this look well exactly what it is But I don’t think it was intentional
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"Scrambled eggs are processed but i think the point is meant that food should food ie whole foods, tried to do unprocessed for a few months now and it is hard to do and bland but we do feel more energenic and less lathargic" Foods cooked from scratch aren't classed as processed. So get your eggs straight from the chickens in your yard and milk from your cow (who of course eats only natural stuff) and you're fine. Ok that's going too far but organic eggs and milk and cook 'em ??. | |||
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"Scrambled eggs are processed but i think the point is meant that food should food ie whole foods, tried to do unprocessed for a few months now and it is hard to do and bland but we do feel more energenic and less lathargic Foods cooked from scratch aren't classed as processed. So get your eggs straight from the chickens in your yard and milk from your cow (who of course eats only natural stuff) and you're fine. Ok that's going too far but organic eggs and milk and cook 'em ??." Is unpasteurised milk worth the risk? | |||
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"Scrambled eggs are processed but i think the point is meant that food should food ie whole foods, tried to do unprocessed for a few months now and it is hard to do and bland but we do feel more energenic and less lathargic Foods cooked from scratch aren't classed as processed. So get your eggs straight from the chickens in your yard and milk from your cow (who of course eats only natural stuff) and you're fine. Ok that's going too far but organic eggs and milk and cook 'em ??. Is unpasteurised milk worth the risk?" What is the risk from unpasteurised milk? | |||
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"Scrambled eggs are processed but i think the point is meant that food should food ie whole foods, tried to do unprocessed for a few months now and it is hard to do and bland but we do feel more energenic and less lathargic Foods cooked from scratch aren't classed as processed. So get your eggs straight from the chickens in your yard and milk from your cow (who of course eats only natural stuff) and you're fine. Ok that's going too far but organic eggs and milk and cook 'em ??. Is unpasteurised milk worth the risk? What is the risk from unpasteurised milk?" It can contain Salmonella, E. coli, Listeria, Campylobacter, among other things. Also bovine TB is more common in areas where milk is drank unpasteurised. | |||
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"It can contain but also does contain so many benifits too its a risk and reward bases " What benefits? | |||
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"Its higher in amino acids and minerals, vitamins, fatty acids, good gut bacteria helps with asthma inflammation skin and auto immune " But apart from that what have the Romans ever done for us? | |||
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"Its higher in amino acids and minerals, vitamins, fatty acids, good gut bacteria helps with asthma inflammation skin and auto immune " “ Raw and pasteurized milk are comparable in their nutrient contents. While raw milk is more natural and may contain more antimicrobials, its many health claims aren’t evidence-based and don’t outweigh potential risks like severe infections caused by harmful bacteria such as Salmonella, E. coli, and Listeria” | |||
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"And in other news, water is wet and fire is hot." Water is not wet it's just water! Water makes things wet. | |||
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"And in other news, water is wet and fire is hot. Water is not wet it's just water! Water makes things wet." Have you seen that powdered water in Asda? | |||
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"Scrambled eggs are processed but i think the point is meant that food should food ie whole foods, tried to do unprocessed for a few months now and it is hard to do and bland but we do feel more energenic and less lathargic Foods cooked from scratch aren't classed as processed. So get your eggs straight from the chickens in your yard and milk from your cow (who of course eats only natural stuff) and you're fine. Ok that's going too far but organic eggs and milk and cook 'em ??. Is unpasteurised milk worth the risk? What is the risk from unpasteurised milk? It can contain Salmonella, E. coli, Listeria, Campylobacter, among other things. Also bovine TB is more common in areas where milk is drank unpasteurised." What? Are you saying cattle get TB from humans who drink unpasteurised milk? How? | |||
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"Its higher in amino acids and minerals, vitamins, fatty acids, good gut bacteria helps with asthma inflammation skin and auto immune “ Raw and pasteurized milk are comparable in their nutrient contents. While raw milk is more natural and may contain more antimicrobials, its many health claims aren’t evidence-based and don’t outweigh potential risks like severe infections caused by harmful bacteria such as Salmonella, E. coli, and Listeria”" Used to drink raw milk taken straight from the refrigerated bulk tank. Unpasteurised, not homogenised. No bugs...and I'm still alive. | |||
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""Two large European studies published by The BMJ today find positive associations between consumption of highly processed (“ultra-processed”) foods and risk of cardiovascular disease and death." More likely than the "jib jab", "convid vaccine" and whatever other derogatory labels anti-vaxers want to use. The research title is this thread's heading." Difference is this is widely known, nobody says otherwise, but as regards to the jabs they are apparently safe and effective....but evidence and studies are proving that is not the case. I dont personally care if someone has the jab or not, your body, your choice. | |||
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"Scrambled eggs are processed but i think the point is meant that food should food ie whole foods, tried to do unprocessed for a few months now and it is hard to do and bland but we do feel more energenic and less lathargic Foods cooked from scratch aren't classed as processed. So get your eggs straight from the chickens in your yard and milk from your cow (who of course eats only natural stuff) and you're fine. Ok that's going too far but organic eggs and milk and cook 'em ??. Is unpasteurised milk worth the risk? What is the risk from unpasteurised milk? It can contain Salmonella, E. coli, Listeria, Campylobacter, among other things. Also bovine TB is more common in areas where milk is drank unpasteurised. What? Are you saying cattle get TB from humans who drink unpasteurised milk? How?" Sorry I didn’t phrase that very well, bovine TB is more prevalent in humans in areas where unpasteurised milk is widely drank. | |||
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