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"My heart bleeds. Come back when you have hot flushes, night sweats, irregular bleeding, brain fog, anxiety, imposter syndrome, insomnia, exhaustion, restless legs, weight gain, feeling of dread, loss of libido and a general sense of being unwell. " Well said! | |||
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"My heart bleeds. Come back when you have hot flushes, night sweats, irregular bleeding, brain fog, anxiety, imposter syndrome, insomnia, exhaustion, restless legs, weight gain, feeling of dread, loss of libido and a general sense of being unwell. " Aside from the bleeding and hot flushes, these symptoms are a lot more common in men than society would have you believe, but as men we dont have the help readily available that women do, and are expected to just get on with it. | |||
"My heart bleeds. Come back when you have hot flushes, night sweats, irregular bleeding, brain fog, anxiety, imposter syndrome, insomnia, exhaustion, restless legs, weight gain, feeling of dread, loss of libido and a general sense of being unwell. Aside from the bleeding and hot flushes, these symptoms are a lot more common in men than society would have you believe, but as men we dont have the help readily available that women do, and are expected to just get on with it." What help do women actually get? I went to the GP begging for help with perimenopause symptoms and got told to have a warm bath or go for a walk… my husband goes in with loss of libido (the only symptom he has!) and ends up with a load of tests done and offers of different medications to help… | |||
"My heart bleeds. Come back when you have hot flushes, night sweats, irregular bleeding, brain fog, anxiety, imposter syndrome, insomnia, exhaustion, restless legs, weight gain, feeling of dread, loss of libido and a general sense of being unwell. " that sounds like a normal day for me! | |||
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"My heart bleeds. Come back when you have hot flushes, night sweats, irregular bleeding, brain fog, anxiety, imposter syndrome, insomnia, exhaustion, restless legs, weight gain, feeling of dread, loss of libido and a general sense of being unwell. Aside from the bleeding and hot flushes, these symptoms are a lot more common in men than society would have you believe, but as men we dont have the help readily available that women do, and are expected to just get on with it. What help do women actually get? I went to the GP begging for help with perimenopause symptoms and got told to have a warm bath or go for a walk… my husband goes in with loss of libido (the only symptom he has!) and ends up with a load of tests done and offers of different medications to help… " Polar opposite to our experience. Elle got put on HRT via the NHS after one visit to GP - I had to go private as the GP dismissed my symptoms and even dismissed my private blood test. It now costs me £45 a month for topical gel, which is less effective day by day. GP still not interested. | |||
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"Why so much focus on female issues? What about us men as we age? Not only physical but psychological changes. The urge to run away with our blonde secretaries or to become Buddhists. " "Why so much focus on female issues" And women's health/gynea health is one of the most underfunded areas of the NHS .... | |||
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"My heart bleeds. Come back when you have hot flushes, night sweats, irregular bleeding, brain fog, anxiety, imposter syndrome, insomnia, exhaustion, restless legs, weight gain, feeling of dread, loss of libido and a general sense of being unwell. Aside from the bleeding and hot flushes, these symptoms are a lot more common in men than society would have you believe, but as men we dont have the help readily available that women do, and are expected to just get on with it. What help do women actually get? I went to the GP begging for help with perimenopause symptoms and got told to have a warm bath or go for a walk… my husband goes in with loss of libido (the only symptom he has!) and ends up with a load of tests done and offers of different medications to help… " Perhaps you need a female GP or at lest someone who will take it seriously from your perspective | |||
"My heart bleeds. Come back when you have hot flushes, night sweats, irregular bleeding, brain fog, anxiety, imposter syndrome, insomnia, exhaustion, restless legs, weight gain, feeling of dread, loss of libido and a general sense of being unwell. Aside from the bleeding and hot flushes, these symptoms are a lot more common in men than society would have you believe, but as men we dont have the help readily available that women do, and are expected to just get on with it. What help do women actually get? I went to the GP begging for help with perimenopause symptoms and got told to have a warm bath or go for a walk… my husband goes in with loss of libido (the only symptom he has!) and ends up with a load of tests done and offers of different medications to help… Perhaps you need a female GP or at lest someone who will take it seriously from your perspective " It was a female nurse practitioner.. and the same one both my husband and I spoke to. | |||
"My heart bleeds. Come back when you have hot flushes, night sweats, irregular bleeding, brain fog, anxiety, imposter syndrome, insomnia, exhaustion, restless legs, weight gain, feeling of dread, loss of libido and a general sense of being unwell. " If its a competition well... hot flushes - been there. night sweats - certainly woke up with those from nightmares, in a previous job. irregular bleeding - no. brain fog - I can deal with that temporary cognitive condition but would be fearful of a progressive neurodegenerative condition. anxiety - nearly every day and at times very bad. imposter syndrome - I look around me and think, you all talk some sh1t, but have sweet f-all experience. insomnia - not as bad as it once was. exhaustion - lately this is becoming an issue but I have been under a lot of stress as of late. restless legs - try leg cramps to the point of fcuk, could this be a cloth? weight gain - please, I was never skinny and I'm a barrel at times feeling of dread - only when it comes to dealing with the conflict created by narcissists in my workplace 🙄 - but then, I'm the one with thr problem (who is brought in to fix their stupid mess 😱) loss of libido - comes and goes. general sense of being unwell - seasonal adjustment disorder followed by a combination of the above can mean physical ramifications for thr body which is saying, I've enough! Finally, I'm not making light of many of thr struggles women go through. It's not understood and unfortunately, male doctors are useless. Some female doctors are just as bad telling ppl to snap out of it. It's hard to find the balance and only a woman can really try to under what's going on in her space. (note, prepare for thr instant backlash and, the yer man is an awful dick!)  | |||
"My heart bleeds. Come back when you have hot flushes, night sweats, irregular bleeding, brain fog, anxiety, imposter syndrome, insomnia, exhaustion, restless legs, weight gain, feeling of dread, loss of libido and a general sense of being unwell. If its a competition well... hot flushes - been there. night sweats - certainly woke up with those from nightmares, in a previous job. irregular bleeding - no. brain fog - I can deal with that temporary cognitive condition but would be fearful of a progressive neurodegenerative condition. anxiety - nearly every day and at times very bad. imposter syndrome - I look around me and think, you all talk some sh1t, but have sweet f-all experience. insomnia - not as bad as it once was. exhaustion - lately this is becoming an issue but I have been under a lot of stress as of late. restless legs - try leg cramps to the point of fcuk, could this be a cloth? weight gain - please, I was never skinny and I'm a barrel at times feeling of dread - only when it comes to dealing with the conflict created by narcissists in my workplace 🙄 - but then, I'm the one with thr problem (who is brought in to fix their stupid mess 😱) loss of libido - comes and goes. general sense of being unwell - seasonal adjustment disorder followed by a combination of the above can mean physical ramifications for thr body which is saying, I've enough! Finally, I'm not making light of many of thr struggles women go through. It's not understood and unfortunately, male doctors are useless. Some female doctors are just as bad telling ppl to snap out of it. It's hard to find the balance and only a woman can really try to under what's going on in her space. (note, prepare for thr instant backlash and, the yer man is an awful dick!) "It's not a competition though And it's funny how men only seem to want to complain about certain things when women's issues are being discussed. | |||
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"My heart bleeds. Come back when you have hot flushes, night sweats, irregular bleeding, brain fog, anxiety, imposter syndrome, insomnia, exhaustion, restless legs, weight gain, feeling of dread, loss of libido and a general sense of being unwell. " Spot on. | |||
"My heart bleeds. Come back when you have hot flushes, night sweats, irregular bleeding, brain fog, anxiety, imposter syndrome, insomnia, exhaustion, restless legs, weight gain, feeling of dread, loss of libido and a general sense of being unwell. Aside from the bleeding and hot flushes, these symptoms are a lot more common in men than society would have you believe, but as men we dont have the help readily available that women do, and are expected to just get on with it." Women don't get help at all we are told to deal with it from the age we start our periods. Men get a lot more help than I work in health care and see it every day. | |||
"My heart bleeds. Come back when you have hot flushes, night sweats, irregular bleeding, brain fog, anxiety, imposter syndrome, insomnia, exhaustion, restless legs, weight gain, feeling of dread, loss of libido and a general sense of being unwell. Aside from the bleeding and hot flushes, these symptoms are a lot more common in men than society would have you believe, but as men we dont have the help readily available that women do, and are expected to just get on with it." They would probably get the help if they went to the doctors... | |||
"My heart bleeds. Come back when you have hot flushes, night sweats, irregular bleeding, brain fog, anxiety, imposter syndrome, insomnia, exhaustion, restless legs, weight gain, feeling of dread, loss of libido and a general sense of being unwell. Aside from the bleeding and hot flushes, these symptoms are a lot more common in men than society would have you believe, but as men we dont have the help readily available that women do, and are expected to just get on with it. They would probably get the help if they went to the doctors... " They don't help, they want to complain about it whenever the light is shining on women | |||
"My heart bleeds. Come back when you have hot flushes, night sweats, irregular bleeding, brain fog, anxiety, imposter syndrome, insomnia, exhaustion, restless legs, weight gain, feeling of dread, loss of libido and a general sense of being unwell. Aside from the bleeding and hot flushes, these symptoms are a lot more common in men than society would have you believe, but as men we dont have the help readily available that women do, and are expected to just get on with it. They would probably get the help if they went to the doctors... They don't help, they want to complain about it whenever the light is shining on women " What a crap attitude some of you women on this thread are portraying. I went to the doctor several times and got no help at all. I even lost a job because of the brain fog and the employer didnt want to know, yet HR regularly sent emails to all staff about their women's support program. Age-related hormone deficiency can affect men as well as women, but in our experience the help available to men via the NHS is sub-par in comparison. | |||
" What a crap attitude some of you women on this thread are portraying. I went to the doctor several times and got no help at all. I even lost a job because of the brain fog and the employer didnt want to know, yet HR regularly sent emails to all staff about their women's support program. Age-related hormone deficiency can affect men as well as women, but in our experience the help available to men via the NHS is sub-par in comparison." Men experience a slow decline of hormones, not a dramatic drop like women. Should they receive exactly equal help? | |||
"My heart bleeds. Come back when you have hot flushes, night sweats, irregular bleeding, brain fog, anxiety, imposter syndrome, insomnia, exhaustion, restless legs, weight gain, feeling of dread, loss of libido and a general sense of being unwell. Aside from the bleeding and hot flushes, these symptoms are a lot more common in men than society would have you believe, but as men we dont have the help readily available that women do, and are expected to just get on with it. They would probably get the help if they went to the doctors... They don't help, they want to complain about it whenever the light is shining on women What a crap attitude some of you women on this thread are portraying. I went to the doctor several times and got no help at all. I even lost a job because of the brain fog and the employer didnt want to know, yet HR regularly sent emails to all staff about their women's support program. Age-related hormone deficiency can affect men as well as women, but in our experience the help available to men via the NHS is sub-par in comparison." Mind you at no point did anyone say that men don't get affected by hormones as they age...... | |||
"Speaking as the male half of a couple whose partner is going through all that after breast cancer treatment I have to say I doubt I’d cope. It’s hard enough helping her get through let alone dealing with it. Yes men have stuff to deal with too but it shouldn’t be a competition! " Well said for being honest I seriously feel sorry for my husband he definitely suffers because of my menopause and chronic lymphocyte leukemia and chronic pancreatitis all thrown in together im surprised he has murdered me | |||
"My heart bleeds. Come back when you have hot flushes, night sweats, irregular bleeding, brain fog, anxiety, imposter syndrome, insomnia, exhaustion, restless legs, weight gain, feeling of dread, loss of libido and a general sense of being unwell. Aside from the bleeding and hot flushes, these symptoms are a lot more common in men than society would have you believe, but as men we dont have the help readily available that women do, and are expected to just get on with it. They would probably get the help if they went to the doctors... They don't help, they want to complain about it whenever the light is shining on women What a crap attitude some of you women on this thread are portraying. I went to the doctor several times and got no help at all. I even lost a job because of the brain fog and the employer didnt want to know, yet HR regularly sent emails to all staff about their women's support program. Age-related hormone deficiency can affect men as well as women, but in our experience the help available to men via the NHS is sub-par in comparison. Mind you at no point did anyone say that men don't get affected by hormones as they age......" Never said they did - but various female posters above have basically just dismissed male issues. | |||
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"I guess I am a lucky bloke, l do know that I am lucky to be alive, l try to focus on what l can do not what I can’t do. Having lived long enough to see what women have to contend with throughout their lives l have the greatest respect and admiration for the fair sex, their ability to cope is phenomenal. Whingers whinge, the rest of us just get on with life!" Top class white knighting - they still wont shag you though fella. | |||
"My heart bleeds. Come back when you have hot flushes, night sweats, irregular bleeding, brain fog, anxiety, imposter syndrome, insomnia, exhaustion, restless legs, weight gain, feeling of dread, loss of libido and a general sense of being unwell. Aside from the bleeding and hot flushes, these symptoms are a lot more common in men than society would have you believe, but as men we dont have the help readily available that women do, and are expected to just get on with it. They would probably get the help if they went to the doctors... They don't help, they want to complain about it whenever the light is shining on women What a crap attitude some of you women on this thread are portraying. I went to the doctor several times and got no help at all. I even lost a job because of the brain fog and the employer didnt want to know, yet HR regularly sent emails to all staff about their women's support program. Age-related hormone deficiency can affect men as well as women, but in our experience the help available to men via the NHS is sub-par in comparison. Mind you at no point did anyone say that men don't get affected by hormones as they age...... Never said they did - but various female posters above have basically just dismissed male issues. " I was just trying to be funny  | |||
"My heart bleeds. Come back when you have hot flushes, night sweats, irregular bleeding, brain fog, anxiety, imposter syndrome, insomnia, exhaustion, restless legs, weight gain, feeling of dread, loss of libido and a general sense of being unwell. Aside from the bleeding and hot flushes, these symptoms are a lot more common in men than society would have you believe, but as men we dont have the help readily available that women do, and are expected to just get on with it. They would probably get the help if they went to the doctors... They don't help, they want to complain about it whenever the light is shining on women What a crap attitude some of you women on this thread are portraying. I went to the doctor several times and got no help at all. I even lost a job because of the brain fog and the employer didnt want to know, yet HR regularly sent emails to all staff about their women's support program. Age-related hormone deficiency can affect men as well as women, but in our experience the help available to men via the NHS is sub-par in comparison. Mind you at no point did anyone say that men don't get affected by hormones as they age...... Never said they did - but various female posters above have basically just dismissed male issues. I was just trying to be funny "Ah, I see! Another forum graduate from the Michael McIntyre school of "comedy" | |||
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"I guess I am a lucky bloke, l do know that I am lucky to be alive, l try to focus on what l can do not what I can’t do. Having lived long enough to see what women have to contend with throughout their lives l have the greatest respect and admiration for the fair sex, their ability to cope is phenomenal. Whingers whinge, the rest of us just get on with life! Top class white knighting - they still wont shag you though fella." Oh bugger! | |||
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"Why so much focus on female issues? What about us men as we age? Not only physical but psychological changes. The urge to run away with our blonde secretaries or to become Buddhists. " Does it get easier if they’re blonde Buddhists? But seriously… men do not discuss the andropause: there’s no dialogue, or clear paths for support. It simply doesn’t have the same levels of cultural recognition as the menopause. So I get your point. Stay strong… and ignore the negativity here. | |||
"My heart bleeds. Come back when you have hot flushes, night sweats, irregular bleeding, brain fog, anxiety, imposter syndrome, insomnia, exhaustion, restless legs, weight gain, feeling of dread, loss of libido and a general sense of being unwell. Aside from the bleeding and hot flushes, these symptoms are a lot more common in men than society would have you believe, but as men we dont have the help readily available that women do, and are expected to just get on with it. They would probably get the help if they went to the doctors... They don't help, they want to complain about it whenever the light is shining on women What a crap attitude some of you women on this thread are portraying. I went to the doctor several times and got no help at all. I even lost a job because of the brain fog and the employer didnt want to know, yet HR regularly sent emails to all staff about their women's support program. Age-related hormone deficiency can affect men as well as women, but in our experience the help available to men via the NHS is sub-par in comparison. Mind you at no point did anyone say that men don't get affected by hormones as they age...... Never said they did - but various female posters above have basically just dismissed male issues. I was just trying to be funny
Ah, I see! Another forum graduate from the Michael McIntyre school of "comedy"
"I don't even know what that means but... Ok | |||
"Why so much focus on female issues? What about us men as we age? Not only physical but psychological changes. The urge to run away with our blonde secretaries or to become Buddhists. " Whilst I'm assuming this is tongue in cheek. I can cope with the baldness, expanding waistline and diminishing libido in comparison to what my poor wife jools has been going through it's small fry. So I'm off to buy my sports car and grow my ponytail with dignity and suffer in silence. | |||
"Why so much focus on female issues? What about us men as we age? Not only physical but psychological changes. The urge to run away with our blonde secretaries or to become Buddhists. Whilst I'm assuming this is tongue in cheek. I can cope with the baldness, expanding waistline and diminishing libido in comparison to what my poor wife jools has been going through it's small fry. So I'm off to buy my sports car and grow my ponytail with dignity and suffer in silence. "I’m getting Steven Seagal vibes!  | |||
"Why so much focus on female issues? What about us men as we age? Not only physical but psychological changes. The urge to run away with our blonde secretaries or to become Buddhists. Whilst I'm assuming this is tongue in cheek. I can cope with the baldness, expanding waistline and diminishing libido in comparison to what my poor wife jools has been going through it's small fry. So I'm off to buy my sports car and grow my ponytail with dignity and suffer in silence.
I’m getting Steven Seagal vibes! "Lol hopefully not that bad  | |||
"My heart bleeds. Come back when you have hot flushes, night sweats, irregular bleeding, brain fog, anxiety, imposter syndrome, insomnia, exhaustion, restless legs, weight gain, feeling of dread, loss of libido and a general sense of being unwell. " It’s not all bad though, at least you can take a creampie without fear of impregnation. | |||
"My heart bleeds. Come back when you have hot flushes, night sweats, irregular bleeding, brain fog, anxiety, imposter syndrome, insomnia, exhaustion, restless legs, weight gain, feeling of dread, loss of libido and a general sense of being unwell. It’s not all bad though, at least you can take a creampie without fear of impregnation." sorry to break it to you, but as long as the woman has not gone into menopause (meaning has not had periods for 1 year plus), she can still get pregnant, even with irregular periods. Plus the risk of STDs is the same. | |||
"My heart bleeds. Come back when you have hot flushes, night sweats, irregular bleeding, brain fog, anxiety, imposter syndrome, insomnia, exhaustion, restless legs, weight gain, feeling of dread, loss of libido and a general sense of being unwell. It’s not all bad though, at least you can take a creampie without fear of impregnation."  | |||
"My heart bleeds. Come back when you have hot flushes, night sweats, irregular bleeding, brain fog, anxiety, imposter syndrome, insomnia, exhaustion, restless legs, weight gain, feeling of dread, loss of libido and a general sense of being unwell. " Excellent reply... Add that a hysterectomy can bring these on much earlier in life (speaking from experience as I helped my ex-wife through this for many many years). Guys, try having your WHOLE hormonal system going haywire and it feeling like your body is fighting you!? That's how my wife described it after an unwanted but necessary hysterectomy. Plus the psychological effects- not feeling like a whole person/no longer a complete woman/ no one will want me anymore etc etc. There are some men out there that can empathise. Stay strong girls, you got this! xxxxxxxxxxxx | |||
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"My heart bleeds. Come back when you have hot flushes, night sweats, irregular bleeding, brain fog, anxiety, imposter syndrome, insomnia, exhaustion, restless legs, weight gain, feeling of dread, loss of libido and a general sense of being unwell. Well said!" It's now thought that many men go through some of these symptoms and experience something like a menopause too. | |||
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"It's now thought that many men go through some of these symptoms and experience something like a menopause too." Thought by who? Certain men only perchance? | |||
"It's now thought that many men go through some of these symptoms and experience something like a menopause too. Thought by who? Certain men only perchance?" no, male menopause, or "andropause" is beginning to be recognised in the medical community. | |||
"These threads are always very telling. If I were a woman read this thread the 🚩🚩 would be everywhere." Explain or are you just trying to act sympathetic? | |||
"It's now thought that many men go through some of these symptoms and experience something like a menopause too. Thought by who? Certain men only perchance? no, male menopause, or "andropause" is beginning to be recognised in the medical community. " It must have taken thousands of years to germinate before suddenly being discovered! Cynical? Me? You betcha! Having witnessed more than one woman have a truly horrible time and still keep going, l find it hard to believe that anything like those symptoms can apply to any man? | |||
"It's now thought that many men go through some of these symptoms and experience something like a menopause too. Thought by who? Certain men only perchance?" Scientists and medical professionals have studied it. | |||
"It's now thought that many men go through some of these symptoms and experience something like a menopause too. Thought by who? Certain men only perchance? no, male menopause, or "andropause" is beginning to be recognised in the medical community. " Very definitely. It's an interesting area of study. The symptoms study and treatments for women are constantly changing to help. Hormone changes are complex and happen to us all to varying levels. | |||
"It's now thought that many men go through some of these symptoms and experience something like a menopause too. Thought by who? Certain men only perchance? no, male menopause, or "andropause" is beginning to be recognised in the medical community. It must have taken thousands of years to germinate before suddenly being discovered! Cynical? Me? You betcha! Having witnessed more than one woman have a truly horrible time and still keep going, l find it hard to believe that anything like those symptoms can apply to any man?" I'd say that the issue here is that you think that because you cannot imagine it then it does not exist. So many people have hormonal changes that we could never imagine. | |||
"My heart bleeds. Come back when you have hot flushes, night sweats, irregular bleeding, brain fog, anxiety, imposter syndrome, insomnia, exhaustion, restless legs, weight gain, feeling of dread, loss of libido and a general sense of being unwell. "  | |||
"It's now thought that many men go through some of these symptoms and experience something like a menopause too. Thought by who? Certain men only perchance? no, male menopause, or "andropause" is beginning to be recognised in the medical community. It must have taken thousands of years to germinate before suddenly being discovered! Cynical? Me? You betcha! Having witnessed more than one woman have a truly horrible time and still keep going, l find it hard to believe that anything like those symptoms can apply to any man? I'd say that the issue here is that you think that because you cannot imagine it then it does not exist. So many people have hormonal changes that we could never imagine. " What is the current scientific knowledge surrounding male hormone decline? | |||
" I'd say that the issue here is that you think that because you cannot imagine it then it does not exist. So many people have hormonal changes that we could never imagine. " So you presume to tell me what I think. Thank you for your input, which does nothing to move the argument forwards, but strange as it may seem l can manage my imagination without you. In my few short years on this planet I have met a lot of people of mature years both socially and even more so over many k working years and whilst I have known many women who cope with unpleasant symptoms l have yet to meet a man with anything similar. Yes, l can imagine the symptoms applying to a man, it’s not difficult to imagine, especially as an attention seeking distraction from the inability to cope with life‘s tribulations.. | |||
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"What an absolute prat you are lol 😆 " Thank you, that’s the nicest thing you have ever said to me! | |||
"It's now thought that many men go through some of these symptoms and experience something like a menopause too. Thought by who? Certain men only perchance? no, male menopause, or "andropause" is beginning to be recognised in the medical community. It must have taken thousands of years to germinate before suddenly being discovered! Cynical? Me? You betcha! Having witnessed more than one woman have a truly horrible time and still keep going, l find it hard to believe that anything like those symptoms can apply to any man? I'd say that the issue here is that you think that because you cannot imagine it then it does not exist. So many people have hormonal changes that we could never imagine. What is the current scientific knowledge surrounding male hormone decline?" I'm not sure where it is up. I'd have to check it out. It wasn't something that was studied as far as I know when I did my degree. | |||
" I'd say that the issue here is that you think that because you cannot imagine it then it does not exist. So many people have hormonal changes that we could never imagine. So you presume to tell me what I think. Thank you for your input, which does nothing to move the argument forwards, but strange as it may seem l can manage my imagination without you. In my few short years on this planet I have met a lot of people of mature years both socially and even more so over many k working years and whilst I have known many women who cope with unpleasant symptoms l have yet to meet a man with anything similar. Yes, l can imagine the symptoms applying to a man, it’s not difficult to imagine, especially as an attention seeking distraction from the inability to cope with life‘s tribulations.. " It's not an argument. An observation based upon your comments here. The fact that you have not knowingly met a male who has hormonal struggles does not mean that it is not happening. There you go applying your own experience to the subject again and excluding others. It is an area of study and I'd say that it's interesting. | |||
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"My heart bleeds. Come back when you have hot flushes, night sweats, irregular bleeding, brain fog, anxiety, imposter syndrome, insomnia, exhaustion, restless legs, weight gain, feeling of dread, loss of libido and a general sense of being unwell. " Well apart from bleeding, I'm experiencing almost all of those due to hormone treatment. | |||
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"Why so much focus on female issues? What about us men as we age? Not only physical but psychological changes. The urge to run away with our blonde secretaries or to become Buddhists. " I don’t think you are going to get much in the way of understanding because coming from a woman who’s got severe endometriosis who’s last period lasted 21 days and has carried a child and had the excruciating pain of labour then to top it off I will be going through the menopause. All things men never have to experience, it’s not your fault but it’s fact. Now I’m not saying that hormonal changes don’t occur through out the aging process for men too BUT it’s not comparative to what ladies will have and are going through. | |||
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"If men don't have serious issues, why do so many take there own lives?" Are you suggesting it's because of male menopause? | |||
"If men don't have serious issues, why do so many take there own lives?" Oh dear it's not cause of male menopause maybe a few cases could be but most are other reasons | |||
"These threads are always very telling. If I were a woman read this thread the 🚩🚩 would be everywhere. Explain or are you just trying to act sympathetic?" No, I’m commenting on the fact there are some men who when they see something that is a very serious issue for many women, can’t help whining ‘but what about men?’ | |||
"If men don't have serious issues, why do so many take there own lives?" • Men do have serious issues. That's not in dispute. They take their own lives (sadly) but it's not necessarily attributed to 'male menopause' alone. | |||
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"Back on track. The OP is right. It's not a male female competition but like with most male related things, men tend to burry their heads in the sand but men definitely do go through a hormonal and psychological change at the average age of 51" Men’s testosterone levels start to drop by around 1% a year in their 30s. Although men go through hormonal changes they are far, far more gradual than those women go through. | |||
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"Was hoping this thread was offering some good advice but I think I’ll just keep my head down and get back to the boobies" This | |||
"A woman on average will be bleeding for 7 years of her life, losing at least 42 litres of blood. She will have almost 500 cycles in a lifetime. She will spend 4-6 years of her life in pain related to her cycle. Spend around 20k on gynae and period products. To menopause and andropause…. Male testosterone drops 0.4 - 1% a year. Slow changes, mostly stable. I’m not minimising the cumulative effect of this, the move towards recognition and support of andropause is a positive one. Female hormones during menopause swing wildly, every crash equivalent to years of male hormonal aging. Then bounce back, then crash again. Within hours. Men’s concerns are valid. But our bodies and process are not really comparable. Rant over. 😂" This is probably the best way of explaining it thank you ! I just read it to my fella and he was like yikes ! | |||
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"Between 15 and 25% of men (people amab) in their 50s will have hormone levels lower than the standard range for younger men. 100% of women (people afab) will experience the menopause. While low testosterone levels for some men is a concern, comparing it’s scale to the female menopause is silly." Despite the differences associated with both sexes in regards to receiving treatments from health services, not one of them has been arbitrarily assigned a sex at birth, because sex (biological differences)heavily influences disease risks, symptoms, and treatment responses. These factors are crucial for preventing misdiagnoses, and delivering effective treatments. Objective facts matter. | |||
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"The NHS recognised parameters for Testosterone blood levels is so low that the odds are purposefully stacked against you . I would get a private blood test and get some treatment. Life’s too short " Absolutely this | |||
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"The great reward for women in this life is that they get to live longer than us males. They also seem to age better in many cases. " That’s only true if you measure health by not dying. If you measure years lived in good health, women don’t come out ahead. In the UK, women’s life expectancy is higher. But healthy life expectancy is almost the same: 60.9 years for females vs 60.7 for males. Women living longer isn’t a ‘reward’ if those extra years are disproportionately spent in pain or disability. | |||
"The great reward for women in this life is that they get to live longer than us males. They also seem to age better in many cases. That’s only true if you measure health by not dying. If you measure years lived in good health, women don’t come out ahead. In the UK, women’s life expectancy is higher. But healthy life expectancy is almost the same: 60.9 years for females vs 60.7 for males. Women living longer isn’t a ‘reward’ if those extra years are disproportionately spent in pain or disability. " There are, unfortunately, some very simplistic attitudes when it comes to this sort of thing. Far too many people lack empathy, and the ability to look at the world from a different point of view. They see a piece of data, that backs up their previously held beliefs, and latch on to it. Why look deeper if you think your beliefs might be challenged? | |||
"The great reward for women in this life is that they get to live longer than us males. They also seem to age better in many cases. That’s only true if you measure health by not dying. If you measure years lived in good health, women don’t come out ahead. In the UK, women’s life expectancy is higher. But healthy life expectancy is almost the same: 60.9 years for females vs 60.7 for males. Women living longer isn’t a ‘reward’ if those extra years are disproportionately spent in pain or disability. " I was going to say that. Longevity doesn’t always equal quality of life. Overall, interesting to see some responses on this thread, and it’s coming from life long endometriosis sufferer, currently on HRT and progesterone intolerance induced anxiety, which I don’t wish upon my worst enemy. (Yes, I am under the meno gyn and my current appointment has been recently rescheduled from June to November). | |||
"Why so much focus on female issues? What about us men as we age? Not only physical but psychological changes. The urge to run away with our blonde secretaries or to become Buddhists. " Why so much focus on female issues? Because it ruins the lives of women and women are becoming more outspoken about how crappy it is. What about us men as we age? If the men continue to keep the stiff upper lip and say nothing, the rest of society can't help. For men who want to talk and focus on men's issues there's: 1. https://andysmanclub.co.uk 2. https://menwhotalk.org 3. https://mankindprojectuki.org › our-different-mens-groups 4. https://www.cdars.org.uk/gentlemen-of-value-club 5. Age UK Wandsworth Men's Sheds: 6. https://www.mentell.org.uk/ 7. https://www.thecalmzone.net/ 8. https://mensgroup.com/ 9. https://essexworkingwell.co.uk/latest-news-from-essex-working-well/mental-health-support-groups-for-men-in-essex/ 10. https://talkclub.org/ 11. https://neurodiversityuk.co.uk/series/neurodivergent-mens-support-group/ I have male peers at the swinger clubs and naturist clubs and kink events. If they talk about their struggles, I offer support. I also know that I can't possibly advise a man on how to be a man so I signpost them to other men who are good at being men. When I was growing up there was a men's choir and a men's fellowship and men's sports teams. Why men have decided to abandon all of that an just sit at home alone isolated with their phones and laptops is beyond me? I know that the women are socialising, speaking up and demanding attention and forming their own communities and businesses and sport teams. I played women's football for about 8 years. I love those ladies and they offer great advice and we supported them through major life changes and injuries and family anxieties! We are all different ages in the football group too. from teens to 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s and 60s! Last Sunday I went out with two men ages 70s and 60s and myself, 40s and another lady 30s for a road trip to Eureka's sunclub to hang our with some other kinksters of all age groups, just over 21. If you isolate yourself and do not communicate your difficulties, no one can help you or support you with your issues. If it's ego or pride, well, that comes before a fall. Being ruled by your libido also has similar negative outcomes. I won't get into gender wars because I know all genders are perfectly capable as long as they don't fall foul of some societal stereotype of men vs women. | |||
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"Why so much focus on female issues? What about us men as we age? Not only physical but psychological changes. The urge to run away with our blonde secretaries or to become Buddhists. Why so much focus on female issues? Because it ruins the lives of women and women are becoming more outspoken about how crappy it is. What about us men as we age? If the men continue to keep the stiff upper lip and say nothing, the rest of society can't help. For men who want to talk and focus on men's issues there's: 1. https://andysmanclub.co.uk 2. https://menwhotalk.org 3. https://mankindprojectuki.org › our-different-mens-groups 4. https://www.cdars.org.uk/gentlemen-of-value-club 5. Age UK Wandsworth Men's Sheds: 6. https://www.mentell.org.uk/ 7. https://www.thecalmzone.net/ 8. https://mensgroup.com/ 9. https://essexworkingwell.co.uk/latest-news-from-essex-working-well/mental-health-support-groups-for-men-in-essex/ 10. https://talkclub.org/ 11. https://neurodiversityuk.co.uk/series/neurodivergent-mens-support-group/ I have male peers at the swinger clubs and naturist clubs and kink events. If they talk about their struggles, I offer support. I also know that I can't possibly advise a man on how to be a man so I signpost them to other men who are good at being men. When I was growing up there was a men's choir and a men's fellowship and men's sports teams. Why men have decided to abandon all of that an just sit at home alone isolated with their phones and laptops is beyond me? I know that the women are socialising, speaking up and demanding attention and forming their own communities and businesses and sport teams. I played women's football for about 8 years. I love those ladies and they offer great advice and we supported them through major life changes and injuries and family anxieties! We are all different ages in the football group too. from teens to 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s and 60s! Last Sunday I went out with two men ages 70s and 60s and myself, 40s and another lady 30s for a road trip to Eureka's sunclub to hang our with some other kinksters of all age groups, just over 21. If you isolate yourself and do not communicate your difficulties, no one can help you or support you with your issues. If it's ego or pride, well, that comes before a fall. Being ruled by your libido also has similar negative outcomes. I won't get into gender wars because I know all genders are perfectly capable as long as they don't fall foul of some societal stereotype of men vs women. " Men are fully able to sit in solitude and not need people. Think the man that lives in a cabin miles away from civilization for decades. Where women are more socially driven which is why they get depressed if they are in solitude. It is a common misconception that is not discussed enough. In today's society (from my male prospective anyway). People and a busy lifestyle just distract you from the issues that are still there in the background not being addressed. If a person cannot sit in silence for more 10 minutes without needing to do something then it means that their brain is avoiding something that will make them feel down. If it's not addressed then it will creep up when life slows down and you have that time to sit there and have nothing to do | |||
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"Best thing a man can do as aging is start weight training a lot. Three times a week "I agree. For all genders. I hired a weightlifting trainer last year for 8 weeks and it really helped me with hormonal stuff. Plus I now know what the actual F. I'm doing with the weights so I don't hurt myself or overreach in energy expenditure with the ME/CFS. | |||
"Best thing a man can do as aging is start weight training a lot. Three times a week
I agree. For all genders. I hired a weightlifting trainer last year for 8 weeks and it really helped me with hormonal stuff. Plus I now know what the actual F. I'm doing with the weights so I don't hurt myself or overreach in energy expenditure with the ME/CFS."What exercises would you recommenced as I’ve got a set of weights including a kettle bell but don’t know where to start ! | |||
"Why so much focus on female issues? What about us men as we age? Not only physical but psychological changes. The urge to run away with our blonde secretaries or to become Buddhists. Why so much focus on female issues? Because it ruins the lives of women and women are becoming more outspoken about how crappy it is. What about us men as we age? If the men continue to keep the stiff upper lip and say nothing, the rest of society can't help. For men who want to talk and focus on men's issues there's: 1. https://andysmanclub.co.uk 2. https://menwhotalk.org 3. https://mankindprojectuki.org › our-different-mens-groups 4. https://www.cdars.org.uk/gentlemen-of-value-club 5. Age UK Wandsworth Men's Sheds: 6. https://www.mentell.org.uk/ 7. https://www.thecalmzone.net/ 8. https://mensgroup.com/ 9. https://essexworkingwell.co.uk/latest-news-from-essex-working-well/mental-health-support-groups-for-men-in-essex/ 10. https://talkclub.org/ 11. https://neurodiversityuk.co.uk/series/neurodivergent-mens-support-group/ I have male peers at the swinger clubs and naturist clubs and kink events. If they talk about their struggles, I offer support. I also know that I can't possibly advise a man on how to be a man so I signpost them to other men who are good at being men. When I was growing up there was a men's choir and a men's fellowship and men's sports teams. Why men have decided to abandon all of that an just sit at home alone isolated with their phones and laptops is beyond me? I know that the women are socialising, speaking up and demanding attention and forming their own communities and businesses and sport teams. I played women's football for about 8 years. I love those ladies and they offer great advice and we supported them through major life changes and injuries and family anxieties! We are all different ages in the football group too. from teens to 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s and 60s! Last Sunday I went out with two men ages 70s and 60s and myself, 40s and another lady 30s for a road trip to Eureka's sunclub to hang our with some other kinksters of all age groups, just over 21. If you isolate yourself and do not communicate your difficulties, no one can help you or support you with your issues. If it's ego or pride, well, that comes before a fall. Being ruled by your libido also has similar negative outcomes. I won't get into gender wars because I know all genders are perfectly capable as long as they don't fall foul of some societal stereotype of men vs women. Men are fully able to sit in solitude and not need people. Think the man that lives in a cabin miles away from civilization for decades. Where women are more socially driven which is why they get depressed if they are in solitude. It is a common misconception that is not discussed enough. In today's society (from my male prospective anyway). People and a busy lifestyle just distract you from the issues that are still there in the background not being addressed. If a person cannot sit in silence for more 10 minutes without needing to do something then it means that their brain is avoiding something that will make them feel down. If it's not addressed then it will creep up when life slows down and you have that time to sit there and have nothing to do " Respectfully and in my humble opinion and experience, I'm not sure men over 40 deal with the same struggles that a man barely out of his 20s, not tanking in testosterone, not ageing at all and major life responsibilities. If OP at 75, finds your take helpful, I stand corrected. If I want to know what the latest trends and technology are, I'll ask Gen Z. If I want to know about healthy ageing, I ask Millennials, Gen X, Boomers and the Silent Generation. I can't ask a 31-year-old woman what to do about a dry ass vagina, but a woman in her 50s and 60s will absolutely know. If not her, her friends who are a similar age. The only difference is medical staff because they were trained and studied to do it. Gynaecology staff definitely spend all day looking at fannies, which I do not. Isolation might look great at age 31 but the advice from AGE UK for the over 55 is not to isolate. From my mental health professionals, the advice is also not to isolate. I've already provided links to organisations that share a similar view and perspective as I do, specifically to do with men. Maybe you can share links to organisations that say isolation is the best thing for men who are over 40 to do for their physical and mental health as they get older? Cheers | |||
"Best thing a man can do as aging is start weight training a lot. Three times a week
I agree. For all genders. I hired a weightlifting trainer last year for 8 weeks and it really helped me with hormonal stuff. Plus I now know what the actual F. I'm doing with the weights so I don't hurt myself or overreach in energy expenditure with the ME/CFS.
What exercises would you recommenced as I’ve got a set of weights including a kettle bell but don’t know where to start !"Slightly different for the Mr and Mrs. Which is why I went to see the weightlifting trainer because he assessed my mobility and strength to start! You don't want to get hurt, as it takes longer to heal over 35! For women 40 and over, I like the beginner exercises that Melissa Neil does on YouTube. She really helped me to understand what was going on hormonally and how to increase my protein without spiking cortisol and inflammation. For men over 40, I like Athlean-X by Jeff Cavaliere and Squat University by Dr Aaron Horschig. They really break down each exercise, the full range of motion and each muscle group, and lets's you know what to target if you have weakness in particular muscles. YouTube is invaluable for this. Just type in 30-minute full-body workout for women/men over 40/over 50/over 60. If you have injuries ( who lucky bastards doesn't over 40?), I would start with physio exercises of who the greatest of all time are Bob and Brad on YouTube. Bob passed away last year but his legacy with Brad still stands. He was 65 and had cerebellar ataxia. A bit like my ME/CFS will get me in the end but I hope to live to 60 at least. It helps when you see older people do simple exercises to keep fit so you know age isn't the barrier. Watching people in their 30s and 20s posing on Instagram and looking like athletes in their peak performance years will demoralise a lot of people. I didn't even look like Instagram models in my 20s or 30s. I was skinny and weak. Lol! Now I linear leg press 324lbs with 3 disabilities. Even if you only have 15 minutes a day. It's better than nothing at all! | |||
"Speaking as the male half of a couple whose partner is going through all that after breast cancer treatment I have to say I doubt I’d cope. It’s hard enough helping her get through let alone dealing with it. Yes men have stuff to deal with too but it shouldn’t be a competition! " Same here. Breast cancer with menopause. Best of luck to both of you. | |||
"Best thing a man can do as aging is start weight training a lot. Three times a week
I agree. For all genders. I hired a weightlifting trainer last year for 8 weeks and it really helped me with hormonal stuff. Plus I now know what the actual F. I'm doing with the weights so I don't hurt myself or overreach in energy expenditure with the ME/CFS.
What exercises would you recommenced as I’ve got a set of weights including a kettle bell but don’t know where to start !"Today about an hour ago Athlean-X Jeff just dropped a really good video for us over 35s, over 40s, over 50s, over 60s. All genders. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBpNeNljzM8 Search: ATHLEAN-X™ : Do These 5 Exercises Every Day Before It’s Too Late I already do these exercises in my rope bondage practice twice a month and with my HIIT trainer twice a month. More won't hurt, I don't think. When I have extra energy and time, I go to the leisure centre spa or naturist spa and do similar exercises. Keeps things bendy and flexible and then I add strength with the gym weights or bodyweight. I can't do high-intensity cardio regularly, so this plus diet is what I have to do to not be stiff and in pain. | |||
"Speaking as the male half of a couple whose partner is going through all that after breast cancer treatment I have to say I doubt I’d cope. It’s hard enough helping her get through let alone dealing with it. Yes men have stuff to deal with too but it shouldn’t be a competition! Same here. Breast cancer with menopause. Best of luck to both of you. " Hugs to you all. Having both is double the roughness. Watching the person you love and care about is also hard and often a feeling of helplessness. | |||
"Speaking as the male half of a couple whose partner is going through all that after breast cancer treatment I have to say I doubt I’d cope. It’s hard enough helping her get through let alone dealing with it. Yes men have stuff to deal with too but it shouldn’t be a competition! Same here. Breast cancer with menopause. Best of luck to both of you. Hugs to you all. Having both is double the roughness. Watching the person you love and care about is also hard and often a feeling of helplessness." A good time to be serious for a moment. Ladies don’t miss that mammogram it really does save lives. | |||
"Best thing a man can do as aging is start weight training a lot. Three times a week
I agree. For all genders. I hired a weightlifting trainer last year for 8 weeks and it really helped me with hormonal stuff. Plus I now know what the actual F. I'm doing with the weights so I don't hurt myself or overreach in energy expenditure with the ME/CFS.
What exercises would you recommenced as I’ve got a set of weights including a kettle bell but don’t know where to start !
Slightly different for the Mr and Mrs.
Which is why I went to see the weightlifting trainer because he assessed my mobility and strength to start!
You don't want to get hurt, as it takes longer to heal over 35!
For women 40 and over, I like the beginner exercises that Melissa Neil does on YouTube. She really helped me to understand what was going on hormonally and how to increase my protein without spiking cortisol and inflammation.
For men over 40, I like Athlean-X by Jeff Cavaliere and Squat University by Dr Aaron Horschig. They really break down each exercise, the full range of motion and each muscle group, and lets's you know what to target if you have weakness in particular muscles.
YouTube is invaluable for this. Just type in 30-minute full-body workout for women/men over 40/over 50/over 60.
If you have injuries ( who lucky bastards doesn't over 40?), I would start with physio exercises of who the greatest of all time are Bob and Brad on YouTube. Bob passed away last year but his legacy with Brad still stands. He was 65 and had cerebellar ataxia. A bit like my ME/CFS will get me in the end but I hope to live to 60 at least. It helps when you see older people do simple exercises to keep fit so you know age isn't the barrier.
Watching people in their 30s and 20s posing on Instagram and looking like athletes in their peak performance years will demoralise a lot of people. I didn't even look like Instagram models in my 20s or 30s. I was skinny and weak. Lol! Now I linear leg press 324lbs with 3 disabilities.
Even if you only have 15 minutes a day. It's better than nothing at all!"Thanks so much will totally look into that ! Also the fella says thanks too as he wants to help his body as the natural aging process , brilliant advice! | |||
" Respectfully and in my humble opinion and experience, I'm not sure men over 40 deal with the same struggles that a man barely out of his 20s, not tanking in testosterone, not ageing at all and major life responsibilities. If OP at 75, finds your take helpful, I stand corrected. If I want to know what the latest trends and technology are, I'll ask Gen Z. If I want to know about healthy ageing, I ask Millennials, Gen X, Boomers and the Silent Generation. I can't ask a 31-year-old woman what to do about a dry ass vagina, but a woman in her 50s and 60s will absolutely know. If not her, her friends who are a similar age. The only difference is medical staff because they were trained and studied to do it. Gynaecology staff definitely spend all day looking at fannies, which I do not. Isolation might look great at age 31 but the advice from AGE UK for the over 55 is not to isolate. From my mental health professionals, the advice is also not to isolate. I've already provided links to organisations that share a similar view and perspective as I do, specifically to do with men. Maybe you can share links to organisations that say isolation is the best thing for men who are over 40 to do for their physical and mental health as they get older? Cheers" When it comes to men's mental health... It is treated like female mental health because that's where the whole therapy and mental health sector stems from. Men's mental health is such an issue in today's society is because men are losing their purpose. If a man feels useless and without purpose then that's where mental health comes into effect. Give a man a purpose and he will thrive. That's the difference between male and female mental health. You should do some research. On tiktok for example there are female therapists that specialise in male mental health that explain all of this from a therapist stand point. I know people don't like social media being used as quotation but that's where they have the most outreach so they use that to promote and maybe help people that they can't reach, due to distance or men just not wanting to reach out | |||
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"Maybe because for the past 100+ yrs the medical focus has always been on men. It has only been in last year that only some aspects of the female anatomy have been scientifically mapped for the first time in history. Plus no such thing as male menopause, its proper name is male midlife crisis and is just panic about getting older and what you've missed out on. Menopause = men-on-pause, pmsl" A midlife crisis is nothing to do with any of that. People call it that to put those men down. A 40yo buys a Porsche. He's having a midlife crisis. He's not. He's just got money to buy the things and the freedom to do the things he wants to do. | |||
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" A midlife crisis is nothing to do with any of that. People call it that to put those men down. A 40yo buys a Porsche. He's having a midlife crisis. He's not. He's just got money to buy the things and the freedom to do the things he wants to do. " True, but why the fuck buy a Porsche? | |||
" Respectfully and in my humble opinion and experience, I'm not sure men over 40 deal with the same struggles that a man barely out of his 20s, not tanking in testosterone, not ageing at all and major life responsibilities. If OP at 75, finds your take helpful, I stand corrected. If I want to know what the latest trends and technology are, I'll ask Gen Z. If I want to know about healthy ageing, I ask Millennials, Gen X, Boomers and the Silent Generation. I can't ask a 31-year-old woman what to do about a dry ass vagina, but a woman in her 50s and 60s will absolutely know. If not her, her friends who are a similar age. The only difference is medical staff because they were trained and studied to do it. Gynaecology staff definitely spend all day looking at fannies, which I do not. Isolation might look great at age 31 but the advice from AGE UK for the over 55 is not to isolate. From my mental health professionals, the advice is also not to isolate. I've already provided links to organisations that share a similar view and perspective as I do, specifically to do with men. Maybe you can share links to organisations that say isolation is the best thing for men who are over 40 to do for their physical and mental health as they get older? Cheers When it comes to men's mental health... It is treated like female mental health because that's where the whole therapy and mental health sector stems from. Men's mental health is such an issue in today's society is because men are losing their purpose. If a man feels useless and without purpose then that's where mental health comes into effect. Give a man a purpose and he will thrive. That's the difference between male and female mental health. You should do some research. On tiktok for example there are female therapists that specialise in male mental health that explain all of this from a therapist stand point. I know people don't like social media being used as quotation but that's where they have the most outreach so they use that to promote and maybe help people that they can't reach, due to distance or men just not wanting to reach out " No thanks to TikTok mental health practice. I prefer clinical psychology and clinical psychotherapy. Not internet-based diagnosis and treatment. I work with mental health professionals in person in groups with all genders. If it works for others, ok. My research stands on clinical psychology and clinical psychotherapy books of 200 pages or more. TikTok alone is not a credible research resource for me when it comes to moderate to severe mental health problems....or physical health problems either, to be fair. Maybe it can help someone else. Cheers. | |||
"Maybe because for the past 100+ yrs the medical focus has always been on men. It has only been in last year that only some aspects of the female anatomy have been scientifically mapped for the first time in history. Plus no such thing as male menopause, its proper name is male midlife crisis and is just panic about getting older and what you've missed out on. Menopause = men-on-pause, pmsl" I'll just leave this link here from the NHS as I don't get into gender wars. https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/male-menopause/ I like men and I'd rather see them thrive than end up in dysfunctional, unhealthy behaviours, hospital, jail or the grave over problems and issues that can be fixed with the right support. Misandry makes me as uncomfortable as misogyny. All genders have specific problems to them based on statistics. I don't think arguing over who has it worst makes it any better. I'd rather do diplomacy and negotiation, which is why I lean to kink now, which seems to do better job at this than the swinger lifestyle for me personally. | |||
"Someone very close to me suffers so badly with PMDD and she struggled for years to get the help she needed. Woman’s reproductive health issues are not easily treated on the NHS and some GP’s have no idea. So yes I know men can suffer and that’s terrible but for woman it’s a constant battle. I’m a man btw " I've got a school friend with this. She had a difficult pregnancy and labour on top plus PCOS/PMOS and the PMDD. Grateful that another school friend who is a doctor specialised in women's gynaecology and obstetrics as well as trans women was there to help with her delivery. Hormones can ruin a woman's entire life in vicious, blunt monthly cycle and shocks to the body. Hormones seem to affect men a very slow, gradual decline so there's more time to adjust....unless it's easier to ignore it happening.  | |||
" A midlife crisis is nothing to do with any of that. People call it that to put those men down. A 40yo buys a Porsche. He's having a midlife crisis. He's not. He's just got money to buy the things and the freedom to do the things he wants to do. True, but why the fuck buy a Porsche?" Since I have no money for a Porsche I turned to naturism instead for my midlife crisis. A Porsche depreciates....Naturism certainly has turned out to be the gift that keeps on giving. Lol! 
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" A midlife crisis is nothing to do with any of that. People call it that to put those men down. A 40yo buys a Porsche. He's having a midlife crisis. He's not. He's just got money to buy the things and the freedom to do the things he wants to do. True, but why the fuck buy a Porsche? Since I have no money for a Porsche I turned to naturism instead for my midlife crisis. A Porsche depreciates....Naturism certainly has turned out to be the gift that keeps on giving. Lol!
If I feel sad, I go and look at some naked penises and I feel better. Lol! "I've wanted to get into it but just have no clue on where to even go | |||
"Someone very close to me suffers so badly with PMDD and she struggled for years to get the help she needed. Woman’s reproductive health issues are not easily treated on the NHS and some GP’s have no idea. So yes I know men can suffer and that’s terrible but for woman it’s a constant battle. I’m a man btw I've got a school friend with this. She had a difficult pregnancy and labour on top plus PCOS/PMOS and the PMDD. Grateful that another school friend who is a doctor specialised in women's gynaecology and obstetrics as well as trans women was there to help with her delivery. Hormones can ruin a woman's entire life in vicious, blunt monthly cycle and shocks to the body. Hormones seem to affect men a very slow, gradual decline so there's more time to adjust....unless it's easier to ignore it happening. "Shockingly at first a GP told her “go and have a baby” that was the suggestion! Thankfully I found her a specialist who works privately but does do 1 day a fortnight for the NHS. He saved her life really | |||
"Male oppression doesn't exist. You might need to clarify that one!" How? You never seen threads like these before? | |||
" Respectfully and in my humble opinion and experience, I'm not sure men over 40 deal with the same struggles that a man barely out of his 20s, not tanking in testosterone, not ageing at all and major life responsibilities. If OP at 75, finds your take helpful, I stand corrected. If I want to know what the latest trends and technology are, I'll ask Gen Z. If I want to know about healthy ageing, I ask Millennials, Gen X, Boomers and the Silent Generation. I can't ask a 31-year-old woman what to do about a dry ass vagina, but a woman in her 50s and 60s will absolutely know. If not her, her friends who are a similar age. The only difference is medical staff because they were trained and studied to do it. Gynaecology staff definitely spend all day looking at fannies, which I do not. Isolation might look great at age 31 but the advice from AGE UK for the over 55 is not to isolate. From my mental health professionals, the advice is also not to isolate. I've already provided links to organisations that share a similar view and perspective as I do, specifically to do with men. Maybe you can share links to organisations that say isolation is the best thing for men who are over 40 to do for their physical and mental health as they get older? Cheers When it comes to men's mental health... It is treated like female mental health because that's where the whole therapy and mental health sector stems from. Men's mental health is such an issue in today's society is because men are losing their purpose. If a man feels useless and without purpose then that's where mental health comes into effect. Give a man a purpose and he will thrive. That's the difference between male and female mental health. You should do some research. On tiktok for example there are female therapists that specialise in male mental health that explain all of this from a therapist stand point. I know people don't like social media being used as quotation but that's where they have the most outreach so they use that to promote and maybe help people that they can't reach, due to distance or men just not wanting to reach out " This does feel like someone giving a simple solution to a complex issue. ‘Everything will be fine if you just find a purpose’ seems like it may work for some men, or at least will distract from the issue for a while, but let’s not pretend ’having a purpose’ is a magic solution. | |||
"My heart bleeds. Come back when you have hot flushes, night sweats, irregular bleeding, brain fog, anxiety, imposter syndrome, insomnia, exhaustion, restless legs, weight gain, feeling of dread, loss of libido and a general sense of being unwell. " I think men get half of this daily | |||
"My heart bleeds. Come back when you have hot flushes, night sweats, irregular bleeding, brain fog, anxiety, imposter syndrome, insomnia, exhaustion, restless legs, weight gain, feeling of dread, loss of libido and a general sense of being unwell. I think men get half of this daily " Only if they opt into that lifestyle! | |||
"My heart bleeds. Come back when you have hot flushes, night sweats, irregular bleeding, brain fog, anxiety, imposter syndrome, insomnia, exhaustion, restless legs, weight gain, feeling of dread, loss of libido and a general sense of being unwell. " Apart from that ur all good?!! | |||
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"My heart bleeds. Come back when you have hot flushes, night sweats, irregular bleeding, brain fog, anxiety, imposter syndrome, insomnia, exhaustion, restless legs, weight gain, feeling of dread, loss of libido and a general sense of being unwell. " Men get all of those apart from bleeding. Plus other things. But the main thing is - this isn’t about you. It’s not a competition. Maybe men should be dismissive about women’s issues, if that’s the game you want to play. | |||
"My heart bleeds. Come back when you have hot flushes, night sweats, irregular bleeding, brain fog, anxiety, imposter syndrome, insomnia, exhaustion, restless legs, weight gain, feeling of dread, loss of libido and a general sense of being unwell. Men get all of those apart from bleeding. Plus other things. But the main thing is - this isn’t about you. It’s not a competition. Maybe men should be dismissive about women’s issues, if that’s the game you want to play. " men have been dismissive about women's issues for centuries. I agree, it shouldn't be "us" Vs "them", everyone should be given the support they need. And men need to be more open about their struggles. | |||
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"So much what aboutery, surely we are all adult enough and experienced enough to know that males and females go through individual issues at certain stages in life. It doesn’t have to be us vs them at all we just need patience and understanding " I think the issue here is around degrees. We men tend to blow things we experience up to be bigger than maybe they are. Whereas women tend to do the opposite. | |||
"So much what aboutery, surely we are all adult enough and experienced enough to know that males and females go through individual issues at certain stages in life. It doesn’t have to be us vs them at all we just need patience and understanding I think the issue here is around degrees. We men tend to blow things we experience up to be bigger than maybe they are. Whereas women tend to do the opposite." Hmm I disagree I think men’s issues go less noticed which is likely why men’s suueecide rates are so high but equally I don’t think any genders issues are higher than the others | |||
"So much what aboutery, surely we are all adult enough and experienced enough to know that males and females go through individual issues at certain stages in life. It doesn’t have to be us vs them at all we just need patience and understanding I think the issue here is around degrees. We men tend to blow things we experience up to be bigger than maybe they are. Whereas women tend to do the opposite. Hmm I disagree I think men’s issues go less noticed which is likely why men’s suueecide rates are so high but equally I don’t think any genders issues are higher than the others " Depression is not the menopause, though. | |||
"So much what aboutery, surely we are all adult enough and experienced enough to know that males and females go through individual issues at certain stages in life. It doesn’t have to be us vs them at all we just need patience and understanding I think the issue here is around degrees. We men tend to blow things we experience up to be bigger than maybe they are. Whereas women tend to do the opposite. Hmm I disagree I think men’s issues go less noticed which is likely why men’s suueecide rates are so high but equally I don’t think any genders issues are higher than the others Depression is not the menopause, though. " It’s not but i think it could be a symptom ? | |||
" A midlife crisis is nothing to do with any of that. People call it that to put those men down. A 40yo buys a Porsche. He's having a midlife crisis. He's not. He's just got money to buy the things and the freedom to do the things he wants to do. True, but why the fuck buy a Porsche? Since I have no money for a Porsche I turned to naturism instead for my midlife crisis. A Porsche depreciates....Naturism certainly has turned out to be the gift that keeps on giving. Lol!
If I feel sad, I go and look at some naked penises and I feel better. Lol!
I've wanted to get into it but just have no clue on where to even go "If you join British Naturism, they send you a Quarterly Magazine of all the naturist clubs in the UK. Sadly most of them are now outside of London. | |||
"Someone very close to me suffers so badly with PMDD and she struggled for years to get the help she needed. Woman’s reproductive health issues are not easily treated on the NHS and some GP’s have no idea. So yes I know men can suffer and that’s terrible but for woman it’s a constant battle. I’m a man btw I've got a school friend with this. She had a difficult pregnancy and labour on top plus PCOS/PMOS and the PMDD. Grateful that another school friend who is a doctor specialised in women's gynaecology and obstetrics as well as trans women was there to help with her delivery. Hormones can ruin a woman's entire life in vicious, blunt monthly cycle and shocks to the body. Hormones seem to affect men a very slow, gradual decline so there's more time to adjust....unless it's easier to ignore it happening.
Shockingly at first a GP told her “go and have a baby” that was the suggestion! Thankfully I found her a specialist who works privately but does do 1 day a fortnight for the NHS. He saved her life really
"Grrr at that suggestion from a GP. You are a good friend helping her find a specialist. Unfortunately, my friend lives overseas on a tiny island with no specialists for these things. | |||
"I can see both sides of the coin, as my partner (male) gets worse night sweats than I do, for example. And I agree that there should be more talk about male menopause, or andropause. However, as oestrogen (female hormone) plays such a huge role in the woman's body, depleting levels of it wreck absolute havoc in the woman's life, on loads of levels, and GPs are still not trained enough in how to support through that phase. I don't think it's as drastic for men, but if you do experience symptoms, OP, do speak to your GP. And maybe start your own campaign about andropause? " Thanks for playing centre ground, I think you've made done great points here. This is a hugely difficult topic. Purely because it's so personal for all involved. I think we're living in an age where there has never been so much information but yet so little actual avenues for support. Xx I don't wish it in anyone. | |||
"So much what aboutery, surely we are all adult enough and experienced enough to know that males and females go through individual issues at certain stages in life. It doesn’t have to be us vs them at all we just need patience and understanding I think the issue here is around degrees. We men tend to blow things we experience up to be bigger than maybe they are. Whereas women tend to do the opposite. Hmm I disagree I think men’s issues go less noticed which is likely why men’s suueecide rates are so high but equally I don’t think any genders issues are higher than the others Depression is not the menopause, though. It’s not but i think it could be a symptom ?" Having an itchy vagina for no reason certainly makes me depressed. Another lady was complaining about how no one told her to exercise her pelvic floor so now her vaginal walls collapse and now she needs to spend a fortune in Tena ladies. FYI all genders should exercise their pelvic floors. They have Tenas for male genitalia too. | |||
"I can see both sides of the coin, as my partner (male) gets worse night sweats than I do, for example. And I agree that there should be more talk about male menopause, or andropause. However, as oestrogen (female hormone) plays such a huge role in the woman's body, depleting levels of it wreck absolute havoc in the woman's life, on loads of levels, and GPs are still not trained enough in how to support through that phase. I don't think it's as drastic for men, but if you do experience symptoms, OP, do speak to your GP. And maybe start your own campaign about andropause? Thanks for playing centre ground, I think you've made done great points here. This is a hugely difficult topic. Purely because it's so personal for all involved. I think we're living in an age where there has never been so much information but yet so little actual avenues for support. Xx I don't wish it in anyone. " Oh the avenues for support are there but if men refuse to engage and/or prefer to isolate, there's not much else can be done. My male friend with benefits told me he would much rather have all his teeth fall out than treat his periodontal gum disease because....it's too expensive.... A man further down the thread said men should isolate and use social media and "find a purpose". I don't think that will help all men. Maybe some, but it's certainly not medical advice for anyone. I say consider all sources and then choose what works best for you. Or in my case just try them all. Lol! No don't do that you will burn out and get ME/CFS like me. | |||
"I can see both sides of the coin, as my partner (male) gets worse night sweats than I do, for example. And I agree that there should be more talk about male menopause, or andropause. However, as oestrogen (female hormone) plays such a huge role in the woman's body, depleting levels of it wreck absolute havoc in the woman's life, on loads of levels, and GPs are still not trained enough in how to support through that phase. I don't think it's as drastic for men, but if you do experience symptoms, OP, do speak to your GP. And maybe start your own campaign about andropause? Thanks for playing centre ground, I think you've made done great points here. This is a hugely difficult topic. Purely because it's so personal for all involved. I think we're living in an age where there has never been so much information but yet so little actual avenues for support. Xx I don't wish it in anyone. Oh the avenues for support are there but if men refuse to engage and/or prefer to isolate, there's not much else can be done. My male friend with benefits told me he would much rather have all his teeth fall out than treat his periodontal gum disease because....it's too expensive.... A man further down the thread said men should isolate and use social media and "find a purpose". I don't think that will help all men. Maybe some, but it's certainly not medical advice for anyone. I say consider all sources and then choose what works best for you. Or in my case just try them all. Lol! No don't do that you will burn out and get ME/CFS like me. "This reminds me I need to call supper drug Wednesday about testosterone after surgery to remove a testicle. | |||
"My heart bleeds. Come back when you have hot flushes, night sweats, irregular bleeding, brain fog, anxiety, imposter syndrome, insomnia, exhaustion, restless legs, weight gain, feeling of dread, loss of libido and a general sense of being unwell. " But on the plus side, you have a cracking pair of tits x | |||
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