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over a year ago
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Not yet
But I have very bad feeling that we are returning to the Wales of the 90s
My personal opinion is that Pivac and co are out of their depth, specifically Hayward as defensive guru
Trying to mould the international side into the Scarlets team from 2017 is not going to work
I will gladly be proved wrong though
I think we are in for a long shit ride here |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Not yet
But I have very bad feeling that we are returning to the Wales of the 90s
My personal opinion is that Pivac and co are out of their depth, specifically Hayward as defensive guru
Trying to mould the international side into the Scarlets team from 2017 is not going to work
I will gladly be proved wrong though
I think we are in for a long shit ride here"
Today was 2 mediocre teams with a poor ref, but MissP has a point. But for the pandemic Pivac would be u see serious pressure. He’ll have until the end of next years 6N, but I fear a couple of thrashings coming up against England and Ireland.
The only bright spot is that the seedlings are set for the RWC.
My biggest concern is the lack of any creativity. We did nothing in open play today, just like last time the Jocks won in Wales 18 years ago.
They deserved today, but that’s nothing to shout about. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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We are so used to having Warren in charge and his style of play. so the sudden dip in performance its inevitable that we are out for someone's head.
Give it time and give the team chance to get into the play and who knows ?
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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We had nothing. We weren't dynamic.
No variation to our game when we eventually got the ball.
But give him another 6 months at least to have a crack at gelling his team |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Not yet
But I have very bad feeling that we are returning to the Wales of the 90s
My personal opinion is that Pivac and co are out of their depth, specifically Hayward as defensive guru
Trying to mould the international side into the Scarlets team from 2017 is not going to work
I will gladly be proved wrong though
I think we are in for a long shit ride here"
I agree, Pivac way out of his depth |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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If we want to be back to the top flight we have to look for the best coaches.. They don't seem to have any respect for the Welsh coaches from the player's, they gave so many penalties away today, no game plan. We need a total rebuild and we have to look for over seas again sorry to say |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If we want to be back to the top flight we have to look for the best coaches.. They don't seem to have any respect for the Welsh coaches from the player's, they gave so many penalties away today, no game plan. We need a total rebuild and we have to look for over seas again sorry to say "
It’s been documented this week (following the WRU AGM) that the post-World Cup review (with gatland and pivac) concluded that the attritional style of play that got us to the semi final of the World Cup cost us too badly in injuries.
Over the next year or so Pivac has the remit to move away from that style of play, that’ll take experimentation and losses along the way. |
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By *ohnjo24 OP Man
over a year ago
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Miss P right again she reads the game very well,these coaches have no proven track record and are out of their depth,Stephen Jones may have been a very good player but very little coaching experience and Byron Hayward wasn't even a good player let alone defence coach,we're not used to second best coaches anymore,we need the best it's the only way. |
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By *yn drwgMan
over a year ago
Camarthen |
The cracks have been there well before Pivac and co took over, we are not on the same level as NZ,SA and England when they play they're A game Gatland based the game on defense and inevitably you will win a certain percentage of games but when we took on the big guns we always fall way short.
It is worrying at the moment as we have no pattern whatsoever, Wales and Scotland were very average. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The cracks have been there well before Pivac and co took over, we are not on the same level as NZ,SA and England when they play they're A game Gatland based the game on defense and inevitably you will win a certain percentage of games but when we took on the big guns we always fall way short.
It is worrying at the moment as we have no pattern whatsoever, Wales and Scotland were very average."
Wales were well below average
It's very worrying
I don't envy that coaching set up from here on in, they have to turn things around drastically by the 6 nations else I fear they won't see the RWC 2023 |
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By *yn drwgMan
over a year ago
Camarthen |
"The cracks have been there well before Pivac and co took over, we are not on the same level as NZ,SA and England when they play they're A game Gatland based the game on defense and inevitably you will win a certain percentage of games but when we took on the big guns we always fall way short.
It is worrying at the moment as we have no pattern whatsoever, Wales and Scotland were very average.
Wales were well below average
It's very worrying
I don't envy that coaching set up from here on in, they have to turn things around drastically by the 6 nations else I fear they won't see the RWC 2023"
I believe we have the players that can play at international level but our regional game isn't good either. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The cracks have been there well before Pivac and co took over, we are not on the same level as NZ,SA and England when they play they're A game Gatland based the game on defense and inevitably you will win a certain percentage of games but when we took on the big guns we always fall way short.
It is worrying at the moment as we have no pattern whatsoever, Wales and Scotland were very average.
Wales were well below average
It's very worrying
I don't envy that coaching set up from here on in, they have to turn things around drastically by the 6 nations else I fear they won't see the RWC 2023
I believe we have the players that can play at international level but our regional game isn't good either. "
It's down to the coaching at international level at the moment
Majority of the squad almost made a World Cup final a year ago
This new coaching either will work, given time or it won't
I fear it's the latter but hope I am wrong
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"Not yet
But I have very bad feeling that we are returning to the Wales of the 90s
My personal opinion is that Pivac and co are out of their depth, specifically Hayward as defensive guru
Trying to mould the international side into the Scarlets team from 2017 is not going to work
I will gladly be proved wrong though
I think we are in for a long shit ride here"
I thought people would learn. In the 90's we were neath in red, didn't work. Why does Gatland always get the plaudits? Poor record in NZ, Shaun Edwards was the driving force surely. |
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"The cracks have been there well before Pivac and co took over, we are not on the same level as NZ,SA and England when they play they're A game Gatland based the game on defense and inevitably you will win a certain percentage of games but when we took on the big guns we always fall way short.
It is worrying at the moment as we have no pattern whatsoever, Wales and Scotland were very average.
Wales were well below average
It's very worrying
I don't envy that coaching set up from here on in, they have to turn things around drastically by the 6 nations else I fear they won't see the RWC 2023
I believe we have the players that can play at international level but our regional game isn't good either. "
Regional game is very poor. Regions would struggle to compete week in week out with English Championship. No chance against Premiership sides. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Completely agree here the national game in Wales is not as good as it was ten years ago. The young players haven't come through or been encouraged to come through, same as that English side unfortunately it is going to take time for Wales to come back up , I'd love to see Wales play proper Welsh rugby again flowing and dynamic as it should be played |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I'm surprised pivac got the job to start with. However gatlands boots are big boots to fill. Pivac don't have the respect of the quality players we have in gods country.
Shsun Edwards is also a big loss to our defence and was gutted when he left.
I believe that there is quality coaches available and pivac won't be long in charge.
Surprised dai young wasn't given job |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Watching the Oz v AB game yesterday, we’re playing a different sport. We have to copy their intensity and skill levels. Quite depressing seeing how far in front of us they are! |
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By *ohnjo24 OP Man
over a year ago
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Yes Miss P how long before the rest go,I think after these new Nation Cup games they'll all be gone the Welsh Rugby supporter won't put up with failure anymore after the last few years,but the Southern hemisphere are playing a different game to us in the Northern hemisphere,except maybe France. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Unfortunately WRU wouldn't budge with Edwards he wanted 3 years they offered year rolling contact.
Yes new coaching setup but its same players it's about time to get rid of old guard bring in Sheedy, Rees Zammit etc let's start looking at few years down the line, ok we will lose games but sadly Wales do not have strength in depth like other countries.
Be patient was always going to be transition period and this from guy who despises regional rugby |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Watching the Oz v AB game yesterday, we’re playing a different sport. We have to copy their intensity and skill levels. Quite depressing seeing how far in front of us they are!"
NZ, AUS and SA have always been years ahead from way kids are coached, rugby scholarships etc.
I was lucky enough to visit NZ training camp when world Cup over here last and have to say was most basic I've ever seen thats where skills and trust develop not fancy plays off the ball running etc. If you watch NZ from a coaching view behind posts you will learn so much from them |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Yes Miss P how long before the rest go,I think after these new Nation Cup games they'll all be gone the Welsh Rugby supporter won't put up with failure anymore after the last few years,but the Southern hemisphere are playing a different game to us in the Northern hemisphere,except maybe France."
I agree
They made the mistake thinking they could mould a very successful Wales team into a Scarlets team from 3/4 years ago.
It's not working
It won't work |
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By *ost SockMan
over a year ago
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For me, Gatland did a great job because he first identified the players who he felt had the attributes to cope with international rugby, then identified a style that they could play.
He was ruthlessly focused on that approach. A good example is achieving considerable success whilst having little ball carrying ability in the pack at any time (hence the reliance on Roberts, Phillips etc).
I’m a Turk, so I have a lot of time for Pivac. It’s the other way round now though - start with the style and then try get players who aren’t suited to play it.
There’s also a worrying sign of a return to the bad old days of playing players out of position.
I fear the loss of Edwards may lead to the picking of exciting players who are a liability without the ball. It’ll keep the support happy (witness the calls over the years for Matthew Morgan over Halfpenny), but may well be a disaster. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Be 6 in a row after that side he picked today.
Why not use this to bring youngsters on rather than persisting with same old players.
North should be nowhere near squad only there till gets 100 caps then f off |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Severe lack of respect and fear of coaching setup this needs to change ASAP. Pivac needs to stamp authority or may as well collect P45"
Respect had to be earned, he can try and demand it all he likes, suspect he is already beyond fucked in that department |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Severe lack of respect and fear of coaching setup this needs to change ASAP. Pivac needs to stamp authority or may as well collect P45
Respect had to be earned, he can try and demand it all he likes, suspect he is already beyond fucked in that department "
IMO was never right candidate for job then with shambles over Edwards has left WRU a bit of a mess so is it any wonder players don't show any respect |
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By (user no longer on site)
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For me, I dont think a side should go from RWC semi finalists to 8th in world rankings over night be a reflection on a bad coach just a difference of opinion on tactics and game plan. These are the same professional rugby players who for whatever reason have decided not to get behind Pivac and his style of play. I was dismayed in the scotland game as to how much ball we kicked away. In the rwc semi we ran nearly every set piece and the wingers got so much ball. They are barely seeing as much ball now. Why? Our defence coaches shouldn't be blammed and think Hayward was a scapegoat, you dont forget how to tackle over night, Ir is whether you want to or not. The players proffesionalisshouuld be questioned. I really dont think that Pivac is wanting to play a style of rugby that is so out there that it changes a top 3 side over night, no, I think some of the senior players have decided he wasnt the man for the job and are playing accordingly. We need new blood as mentioned above. Give Sheedy and RZ more game time. If I was in charge of this team I would be calling Dai Young to get his arse back to Wales as soon as possible. Any coincidence that he resigned from Wasps at the begining of the year?? |
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By *yn drwgMan
over a year ago
Camarthen |
Are we now paying the price for the WRU breaking the bank on Henry, Hansen and Gatland! If we are taking a step back in budget surely a Welsh coach should have been considered.
Pivac never actually brought huge success to the Scarlett's he just played a decent brand of rugby which often came undone against the big sides in European cup games.
If you have no confidence from the players it's time to go as it will never be there, I know the guy deserves a chance but history tells me it's a stitch in time. |
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"Are we now paying the price for the WRU breaking the bank on Henry, Hansen and Gatland! If we are taking a step back in budget surely a Welsh coach should have been considered.
Pivac never actually brought huge success to the Scarlett's he just played a decent brand of rugby which often came undone against the big sides in European cup games.
If you have no confidence from the players it's time to go as it will never be there, I know the guy deserves a chance but history tells me it's a stitch in time."
If anything we're paying the price of reducing debt too quickly and underfunding the 4 pro teams. |
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By *yn drwgMan
over a year ago
Camarthen |
"Are we now paying the price for the WRU breaking the bank on Henry, Hansen and Gatland! If we are taking a step back in budget surely a Welsh coach should have been considered.
Pivac never actually brought huge success to the Scarlett's he just played a decent brand of rugby which often came undone against the big sides in European cup games.
If you have no confidence from the players it's time to go as it will never be there, I know the guy deserves a chance but history tells me it's a stitch in time.
If anything we're paying the price of reducing debt too quickly and underfunding the 4 pro teams. "
Good point, neither of the region's can actually compete in any competition. |
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The title of this forum post is out of date. Pivac had not achieved anything. The game agaist the Scots was awful. Even a 30-0 win against Georgia will only look ok, and I can’t see our defence holding out, nor our offense scoring 30 points! Woeful  |
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"Are we now paying the price for the WRU breaking the bank on Henry, Hansen and Gatland! If we are taking a step back in budget surely a Welsh coach should have been considered.
Pivac never actually brought huge success to the Scarlett's he just played a decent brand of rugby which often came undone against the big sides in European cup games.
If you have no confidence from the players it's time to go as it will never be there, I know the guy deserves a chance but history tells me it's a stitch in time.
If anything we're paying the price of reducing debt too quickly and underfunding the 4 pro teams.
Good point, neither of the region's can actually compete in any competition."
Yep, because they can't retain players and, probably more importantly, can't import top project players who then become Welsh qualified. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Are we now paying the price for the WRU breaking the bank on Henry, Hansen and Gatland! If we are taking a step back in budget surely a Welsh coach should have been considered.
Pivac never actually brought huge success to the Scarlett's he just played a decent brand of rugby which often came undone against the big sides in European cup games.
If you have no confidence from the players it's time to go as it will never be there, I know the guy deserves a chance but history tells me it's a stitch in time.
If anything we're paying the price of reducing debt too quickly and underfunding the 4 pro teams.
Good point, neither of the region's can actually compete in any competition.
Yep, because they can't retain players and, probably more importantly, can't import top project players who then become Welsh qualified. "
If brand isn't there people won't go to watch simple. Regions have always been under funded and only successful region they folded.
All WRU care about is profit hopefully now with local clubman as chairman whom I know personally things will start to change |
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