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New 20mph speed limit 17th Sept
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By *olf and Red OP Couple 34 weeks ago
Nr Cardiff or at Chams Darlaston |
What do you think of the new 20mph speed limit that is coming into force soon. I’ve seen lots of different views about it. Some businesses saying will make life difficult as everything will take longer for carers and lorry drivers. I know Usk has had that limit in effect for some time already. Seems to work well there.
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Can't see it making much difference unless it's enforced with speed cameras. There's been 20 zones in the local area for years and many people drive at 40 through them.
Taxi driver crashed into my car in Swansea marina 15 years ago. He put on the insurance claim that he was doing 30. It's a 20 zone and that didn't go down well with the judge in court.
Personally I think it's a good idea but I'm a bit of an old fart these days... |
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It’s grin childish Been driving lorries for 30 yrs
Look at the Ave speed check in Newport it’s had the opposite effect to pollution of the area it’s worse than the M25 now
They spending billions on the HOV No fker uses it |
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By *ost SockMan 34 weeks ago
West Wales and Cardiff |
I’m just going to wait and see how it pans out.
I’ve been practising driving at 20mph when the roads are quiet. I usually feel “blimey, this is slow” in the first 30mph zone, but then get used to it.
I’m not a slow driver - I drive to the speed limits unless held up. I’m happy enough to give it a go.
What will be the case is that some people who would be dead after being hit at 30mph will still be alive after this comes in. Seems like a good reason to at least be open to the policy. |
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20 is plenty in some areas. I'm thinking narrow streets, lined with parked cars with lots of residents or businesses.
20 is too slow in wider, less congested, well sighted roads.
A blanket 20 seems a bit ill-conceived, but I believe there are exemptions that remain at 30? |
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"It’s grin childish Been driving lorries for 30 yrs
Look at the Ave speed check in Newport it’s had the opposite effect to pollution of the area it’s worse than the M25 now
They spending billions on the HOV No fker uses it "
It's what they want they are currently monitoring that stretch and if its shown the 50 limit hasnt made any difference orbits worse which it will they are going to put a toll on that bit of the M4 which is thier hidden agenda
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It’s going to cause much longer journeys and you will have some that stick to the law and some that won’t so you can see more arguments happening between drivers but as someone who as been to many accidents hopefully it will cut down on serious injuries as they hope it will.  |
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By *coutDWoman 34 weeks ago
Pontypridd |
"20 is plenty in some areas. I'm thinking narrow streets, lined with parked cars with lots of residents or businesses.
20 is too slow in wider, less congested, well sighted roads.
A blanket 20 seems a bit ill-conceived, but I believe there are exemptions that remain at 30? "
This.
I’ve got an automatic for the first time ever and I’m happy going 20 if needs be. Only thing is I don’t think my speed limiter starts that low. Must check it |
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Whats going to happen is that they will want pollution levels to rise, they can then install monitoring systems, claim pollution is too high and use that to introduce ULEZ zones or even ban vehicles from certain areas.
Its near impossible to stick to 20, the car will be screaming at you to change to second, maybe third gear then you risk stalling.
More drivers will be concentrating more on the speedo rather than the road.
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By *ost SockMan 34 weeks ago
West Wales and Cardiff |
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Its near impossible to stick to 20, the car will be screaming at you to change to second, maybe third gear then you risk stalling.
More drivers will be concentrating more on the speedo rather than the road.
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I’m not necessarily a huge fan of the change, but it’s perfectly easy to drive at 20mph. I have been having to do it regularly through a few zones in my area for years. If someone can’r do it, they need to have a think about their driving skills.
Again - that’s not to say the policy is right.
Apparently, 30kph zones have cut urban road deaths by 20% in Spain. If the figures are legitimately anything like that here, it’ll be kinda hard to argue against it.
I think the Welsh government have been pretty ballsy bringing this in, knowing damn well how much criticism it would attract!
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I think the Welsh government have been pretty ballsy bringing this in, knowing damn well how much criticism it would attract!
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Ballsy is on way to put it. Arrogant, boneheaded, ignorant, blind stupidity and many other ways to put it are also options. I guess it depends on the individual's opinion of the Labour government here.
I am someone who has to religiously stick to the speed limits. In my truck, it's an automatic and will happily do 20mph in the zones that already exist across large parts of Cardiff and other places. But it feels okay too. In my car, it feels so slow. And as someone said above, my car is either too high in 2nd gear or threatening to stall in 3rd.
The local council in my home area just brought in a 20mph section on a 30mph road and it makes sense. They did this before the national roll-out. The electronic displays are lit and so they are now the limit. But as I am doing 20mph, I quickly end up with a convoy behind me because they want to do 30mph. That's up to them and I don't care, I am trained to ignore frustrated drivers behind me. But within a week on that small section of one road the attitude of most drivers on it is negative.
God help when it's pretty much everywhere.
And about the M4 through Newport being 50mph. Be grateful it's staying that for now, because I did read reports that it was going to be reduced to 20mph to match the rest of the roads adjacent to it  . It was only because of the haulage industry and emergency services that the idea was sidelined.
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By *ost SockMan 34 weeks ago
West Wales and Cardiff |
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I think the Welsh government have been pretty ballsy bringing this in, knowing damn well how much criticism it would attract!
Ballsy is on way to put it. Arrogant, boneheaded, ignorant, blind stupidity and many other ways to put it are also options. I guess it depends on the individual's opinion of the Labour government here.
I am someone who has to religiously stick to the speed limits. In my truck, it's an automatic and will happily do 20mph in the zones that already exist across large parts of Cardiff and other places. But it feels okay too. In my car, it feels so slow. And as someone said above, my car is either too high in 2nd gear or threatening to stall in 3rd.
The local council in my home area just brought in a 20mph section on a 30mph road and it makes sense. They did this before the national roll-out. The electronic displays are lit and so they are now the limit. But as I am doing 20mph, I quickly end up with a convoy behind me because they want to do 30mph. That's up to them and I don't care, I am trained to ignore frustrated drivers behind me. But within a week on that small section of one road the attitude of most drivers on it is negative.
God help when it's pretty much everywhere.
And about the M4 through Newport being 50mph. Be grateful it's staying that for now, because I did read reports that it was going to be reduced to 20mph to match the rest of the roads adjacent to it . It was only because of the haulage industry and emergency services that the idea was sidelined.
-Lord. "
As I’ve said, I don’t think it’s necessarily a good thing. It’s a “ballsy” move in that they’ve done it knowing damn well they’ll get huge criticism and quite possible lose loads of votes over it come election time. Much easier to go for an easy life on this and keep the status quo.
“Ballsy” doesn’t necessarily mean it’s right though. “Ballsy” moves can be bone-headed - they are not necessarily mutually exclusive!
I totally agree there’ll be people wanting to do 30mph. I’ve trained myself to ignore drivers getting ratty behind me these days. I’m trying to be all Zen behind the wheel. They usually do 45-50mph whatever the speed limit and I burn them off in the 60/70mph areas anyway  . |
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"I'd love to read these reports that stated the M4 was going to be reduced to 20mph to march adjacent roads. Seems very credible..."
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/20mph-speed-limit-zones-introduced-26546580?int_source=amp_continue_reading&int_medium=amp&int_campaign=continue_reading_button#amp-readmore-target
I am just going to leave this here and use it as an example of why not everything, nor everyone, should be taken as 'gospel' on the Internet. This caused uproar when the original article was published, hence the need for this retraction.
Since so many people rely on this particular source of news, considering the nature of my earlier comment (and for those that know me, my penchant for sarcasm), it's entirely possible that I might have been up to no good . |
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"its going to be a nightmare everything will take longer more congestion more accidents more noise & pollution. more speed awareness courses but the nutters will still drive through at 60 . only solution is to chuck out the Cardiff Nazis at the next Senedd election "
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I think the Welsh government have been pretty ballsy bringing this in, knowing damn well how much criticism it would attract!
Ballsy is on way to put it. Arrogant, boneheaded, ignorant, blind stupidity and many other ways to put it are also options. I guess it depends on the individual's opinion of the Labour government here.
I am someone who has to religiously stick to the speed limits. In my truck, it's an automatic and will happily do 20mph in the zones that already exist across large parts of Cardiff and other places. But it feels okay too. In my car, it feels so slow. And as someone said above, my car is either too high in 2nd gear or threatening to stall in 3rd.
The local council in my home area just brought in a 20mph section on a 30mph road and it makes sense. They did this before the national roll-out. The electronic displays are lit and so they are now the limit. But as I am doing 20mph, I quickly end up with a convoy behind me because they want to do 30mph. That's up to them and I don't care, I am trained to ignore frustrated drivers behind me. But within a week on that small section of one road the attitude of most drivers on it is negative.
God help when it's pretty much everywhere.
And about the M4 through Newport being 50mph. Be grateful it's staying that for now, because I did read reports that it was going to be reduced to 20mph to match the rest of the roads adjacent to it . It was only because of the haulage industry and emergency services that the idea was sidelined.
-Lord.
As I’ve said, I don’t think it’s necessarily a good thing. It’s a “ballsy” move in that they’ve done it knowing damn well they’ll get huge criticism and quite possible lose loads of votes over it come election time. Much easier to go for an easy life on this and keep the status quo.
“Ballsy” doesn’t necessarily mean it’s right though. “Ballsy” moves can be bone-headed - they are not necessarily mutually exclusive!
I totally agree there’ll be people wanting to do 30mph. I’ve trained myself to ignore drivers getting ratty behind me these days. I’m trying to be all Zen behind the wheel. They usually do 45-50mph whatever the speed limit and I burn them off in the 60/70mph areas anyway ."
You "burn them off"? Seriously? Watch out folks we've got us a badass here.  |
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By *ost SockMan 34 weeks ago
West Wales and Cardiff |
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I think the Welsh government have been pretty ballsy bringing this in, knowing damn well how much criticism it would attract!
Ballsy is on way to put it. Arrogant, boneheaded, ignorant, blind stupidity and many other ways to put it are also options. I guess it depends on the individual's opinion of the Labour government here.
I am someone who has to religiously stick to the speed limits. In my truck, it's an automatic and will happily do 20mph in the zones that already exist across large parts of Cardiff and other places. But it feels okay too. In my car, it feels so slow. And as someone said above, my car is either too high in 2nd gear or threatening to stall in 3rd.
The local council in my home area just brought in a 20mph section on a 30mph road and it makes sense. They did this before the national roll-out. The electronic displays are lit and so they are now the limit. But as I am doing 20mph, I quickly end up with a convoy behind me because they want to do 30mph. That's up to them and I don't care, I am trained to ignore frustrated drivers behind me. But within a week on that small section of one road the attitude of most drivers on it is negative.
God help when it's pretty much everywhere.
And about the M4 through Newport being 50mph. Be grateful it's staying that for now, because I did read reports that it was going to be reduced to 20mph to match the rest of the roads adjacent to it . It was only because of the haulage industry and emergency services that the idea was sidelined.
-Lord.
As I’ve said, I don’t think it’s necessarily a good thing. It’s a “ballsy” move in that they’ve done it knowing damn well they’ll get huge criticism and quite possible lose loads of votes over it come election time. Much easier to go for an easy life on this and keep the status quo.
“Ballsy” doesn’t necessarily mean it’s right though. “Ballsy” moves can be bone-headed - they are not necessarily mutually exclusive!
I totally agree there’ll be people wanting to do 30mph. I’ve trained myself to ignore drivers getting ratty behind me these days. I’m trying to be all Zen behind the wheel. They usually do 45-50mph whatever the speed limit and I burn them off in the 60/70mph areas anyway .
You "burn them off"? Seriously? Watch out folks we've got us a badass here. "
Oh FFS, you know what I mean .
They do 45 in a 30mph and 45 in a 60mph. I do 30 in a 30mph and 60mph. They tailgate me in in the 30mph, then recede in my rear-view mirror pretty quick in the 60mph.
I’m about as “un bad-ass” as it gets - I’m one of the ones who’s pretty OK with 20mph, after all . |
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"Oh FFS, you know what I mean .
They do 45 in a 30mph and 45 in a 60mph. I do 30 in a 30mph and 60mph. They tailgate me in in the 30mph, then recede in my rear-view mirror pretty quick in the 60mph.
I’m about as “un bad-ass” as it gets - I’m one of the ones who’s pretty OK with 20mph, after all ."
Yes that type of driver can be a pain, 45 is the speed they drive everywhere. You catch up to them in the national speed limit. They pull away from you in a village Then you're behind them once it goes back to a 60 limit. Would most likely call you a speeding idiot if you tried overtake them in the 60 zone.
I think there's going to be a lot of confusion with some people. The media and some politicians haven't helped calling it a blanket speed limit. A local road already has the new 20 limit signs up. So it currently goes from a 30 to 40 then a 20 limit. All well signposted. But yesterday a car in front of me was all over the place speed wise. Entered the 40 zone still doing 35, then slowed to 20 before speeding back up to 35. Entered the 20 slammed on the brakes to 15 then slowly increased to around 30. Guess 35 is their default speed |
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I didn't really have any strong opinion on it either way but I'm pretty bemused by the vitriol it's produced. The way done people have been screeching on, you'd assume it was 20mph everywhere and they'd be shot dead on sight at 20.5mph I think it's nice that the anti-maskers now have something new to base their personality on.
Does 10mph really make all that much difference to my day? No. Probably will do to the next kid who runs out into the road tho. It definitely felt much nicer going through some narrow towns yesterday.
One thing I've noticed since it came in is that Google maps seems to think theres heavy traffic in all the villages. Everyones going slower than 'normal'
Give it a week and everyone will have forgotten it was ever a new thing. |
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By *browseMan 33 weeks ago
Blackwood |
Oh Dear!!!
An article published on April 1st.
Citing - Finding And Reducing Carbon Emissions (FARCE)
With quotes from
Loisa Milton - Lewis Hamilton
Nick Elouder - Nicky Lauda
Ross Burg - Niki Rosberg
Nigella Mansul - Nigel Mansell
Alun Pross - Alain Prost
It must be genuine. |
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"I didn't really have any strong opinion on it either way but I'm pretty bemused by the vitriol it's produced. The way done people have been screeching on, you'd assume it was 20mph everywhere and they'd be shot dead on sight at 20.5mph I think it's nice that the anti-maskers now have something new to base their personality on.
Does 10mph really make all that much difference to my day? No. Probably will do to the next kid who runs out into the road tho. It definitely felt much nicer going through some narrow towns yesterday.
One thing I've noticed since it came in is that Google maps seems to think theres heavy traffic in all the villages. Everyones going slower than 'normal'
Give it a week and everyone will have forgotten it was ever a new thing. "
It’s not Google Maps ‘thinking’ there’s heavy traffic.
It’s a live interpretation of mobile signals which shows how fast/slow mobiles are moving. If cars are going slower then traffic will build up as we’ve all witnessed. |
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I drive for a living around Swansea,neath. Got a six speed gearbox. Didn't use 4th 5th or 6th today. And mpg which was usually 35ish. Now 29mpg. So takes longer and costs more.. cheers dripford you prick... |
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They keep quoting the a accident figures from Spain, where minor collisions tend to go unreported!
In this country if a car hits a pedestrian it is assumed that the car driver is at fault. What we will see is more minor collisions as pedestrians step out in the way of the idiots who will still be ignoring the speed limit.
This is an undemocratic decision made by a government that knows they will not lose power whatever they do.
Time to prove them wrong maybe? |
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Almost 2 weeks in and as predicted, crawling along roads out of rush hour mostly devoid of anyone to run over here in Pembs, with engine revving in 2nd and often nearly stalling in 3rd, so using more fuel and causing more emissions, and longer on the brakes down inclines so releasing more unhealthy particles in to the environment.
Happy to see more targeted 20's where and when they are needed, but don't agree with default/blanket with a few holes in it 20.
People still signing the petition are likely to be those who were sat on the fence or even previously in favour nowthey see it in action. |
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I can see where they are coming from traffic is bad enough as if it. I don’t want to be leaving any earlier in the mornings..
