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"Aspergers here. I wouldn't say it affects my sexual behaviour. But its definitely a hindrance for me with the social interactions part. Approaching strangers and starting up a conversation doesn't come naturally to me. Always feels like a struggle at first. Like my brain just switches off after the initial hello and I can't think of anything to say. Once i've settled down and relaxed I'm much better, but that initial hurdle can be quite difficult to get over. As for positives personally I pick up on things, im very good at reading people or a room. Comes in handy when you're not the best at social interactions i guess. I will say though i've bumped into quite a few others in the scene who are also on the spectrum. So maybe there is something about us thats drawn to this type of lifestyle 🤷" The Asperger's diagnosis has been retired owing to it's Nazi origins. | |||
"Aspergers here. I wouldn't say it affects my sexual behaviour. But its definitely a hindrance for me with the social interactions part. Approaching strangers and starting up a conversation doesn't come naturally to me. Always feels like a struggle at first. Like my brain just switches off after the initial hello and I can't think of anything to say. Once i've settled down and relaxed I'm much better, but that initial hurdle can be quite difficult to get over. As for positives personally I pick up on things, im very good at reading people or a room. Comes in handy when you're not the best at social interactions i guess. I will say though i've bumped into quite a few others in the scene who are also on the spectrum. So maybe there is something about us thats drawn to this type of lifestyle 🤷 The Asperger's diagnosis has been retired owing to it's Nazi origins. " Asperger's is very much still recognised in the DSM and ICD as a diagnosis. | |||
"Aspergers here. I wouldn't say it affects my sexual behaviour. But its definitely a hindrance for me with the social interactions part. Approaching strangers and starting up a conversation doesn't come naturally to me. Always feels like a struggle at first. Like my brain just switches off after the initial hello and I can't think of anything to say. Once i've settled down and relaxed I'm much better, but that initial hurdle can be quite difficult to get over. As for positives personally I pick up on things, im very good at reading people or a room. Comes in handy when you're not the best at social interactions i guess. I will say though i've bumped into quite a few others in the scene who are also on the spectrum. So maybe there is something about us thats drawn to this type of lifestyle 🤷 The Asperger's diagnosis has been retired owing to it's Nazi origins. Asperger's is very much still recognised in the DSM and ICD as a diagnosis." +5 No, Asperger’s syndrome is no longer diagnosed in the UK. It was removed from diagnostic manuals (DSM-5 in 2013, ICD-11 in 2019/2022) and replaced by the broader term Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD) or Autism Spectrum Condition (ASC). People previously diagnosed with Asperger's retain that diagnosis, but new evaluations use the updated, more inclusive autism criteria. nhs.uk nhs.uk +2 Key Details on Diagnosis in the UK: Updated Terminology: Doctors now diagnose everyone on the spectrum with Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD), which includes what was previously called Asperger’s. Why it Changed: It was moved under the autism umbrella because it is understood to be part of the same spectrum, rather than a separate condition. Existing Diagnoses: If you were previously diagnosed with Asperger’s, that diagnosis is still valid and recognised by the NHS. Focus of Care: Modern diagnosis focuses on the individual's specific support needs rather than outdated, separate labels. nhs.uk nhs.uk +4 While some individuals may still use the term "Asperger's" or "Aspie" to describe themselves, clinical, educational, and professional assessments in the UK now use the Autism Spectrum Disorder framework. | |||
"Aspergers here. I wouldn't say it affects my sexual behaviour. But its definitely a hindrance for me with the social interactions part. Approaching strangers and starting up a conversation doesn't come naturally to me. Always feels like a struggle at first. Like my brain just switches off after the initial hello and I can't think of anything to say. Once i've settled down and relaxed I'm much better, but that initial hurdle can be quite difficult to get over. As for positives personally I pick up on things, im very good at reading people or a room. Comes in handy when you're not the best at social interactions i guess. I will say though i've bumped into quite a few others in the scene who are also on the spectrum. So maybe there is something about us thats drawn to this type of lifestyle 🤷 The Asperger's diagnosis has been retired owing to it's Nazi origins. Asperger's is very much still recognised in the DSM and ICD as a diagnosis. +5 No, Asperger’s syndrome is no longer diagnosed in the UK. It was removed from diagnostic manuals (DSM-5 in 2013, ICD-11 in 2019/2022) and replaced by the broader term Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD) or Autism Spectrum Condition (ASC). People previously diagnosed with Asperger's retain that diagnosis, but new evaluations use the updated, more inclusive autism criteria. nhs.uk nhs.uk +2 Key Details on Diagnosis in the UK: Updated Terminology: Doctors now diagnose everyone on the spectrum with Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD), which includes what was previously called Asperger’s. Why it Changed: It was moved under the autism umbrella because it is understood to be part of the same spectrum, rather than a separate condition. Existing Diagnoses: If you were previously diagnosed with Asperger’s, that diagnosis is still valid and recognised by the NHS. Focus of Care: Modern diagnosis focuses on the individual's specific support needs rather than outdated, separate labels. nhs.uk nhs.uk +4 While some individuals may still use the term "Asperger's" or "Aspie" to describe themselves, clinical, educational, and professional assessments in the UK now use the Autism Spectrum Disorder framework." Thanks , as you have confirmed above . Those diagnosed with Asperger's withhold that diagnosis and it is recognised and treated as such by the NHS. I'm not sure you're a medic yourself or hold a diagnosis ? but I can assure you that though medicine is everchanging, previous criterion is never disregarded entirely . | |||
"Aspergers here. I wouldn't say it affects my sexual behaviour. But its definitely a hindrance for me with the social interactions part. Approaching strangers and starting up a conversation doesn't come naturally to me. Always feels like a struggle at first. Like my brain just switches off after the initial hello and I can't think of anything to say. Once i've settled down and relaxed I'm much better, but that initial hurdle can be quite difficult to get over. As for positives personally I pick up on things, im very good at reading people or a room. Comes in handy when you're not the best at social interactions i guess. I will say though i've bumped into quite a few others in the scene who are also on the spectrum. So maybe there is something about us thats drawn to this type of lifestyle 🤷 The Asperger's diagnosis has been retired owing to it's Nazi origins. Asperger's is very much still recognised in the DSM and ICD as a diagnosis. +5 No, Asperger’s syndrome is no longer diagnosed in the UK. It was removed from diagnostic manuals (DSM-5 in 2013, ICD-11 in 2019/2022) and replaced by the broader term Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD) or Autism Spectrum Condition (ASC). People previously diagnosed with Asperger's retain that diagnosis, but new evaluations use the updated, more inclusive autism criteria. nhs.uk nhs.uk +2 Key Details on Diagnosis in the UK: Updated Terminology: Doctors now diagnose everyone on the spectrum with Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD), which includes what was previously called Asperger’s. Why it Changed: It was moved under the autism umbrella because it is understood to be part of the same spectrum, rather than a separate condition. Existing Diagnoses: If you were previously diagnosed with Asperger’s, that diagnosis is still valid and recognised by the NHS. Focus of Care: Modern diagnosis focuses on the individual's specific support needs rather than outdated, separate labels. nhs.uk nhs.uk +4 While some individuals may still use the term "Asperger's" or "Aspie" to describe themselves, clinical, educational, and professional assessments in the UK now use the Autism Spectrum Disorder framework." So the other person is right in that they were diagnosed and have Asperger's, however if you have a recent diagnosis or were to read any text/book/paper's they would say autism instead as a broad term? So you are both right? *Note* I'm not here to argue or debate, just commenting to educate myself. | |||
"Aspergers here. I wouldn't say it affects my sexual behaviour. But its definitely a hindrance for me with the social interactions part. Approaching strangers and starting up a conversation doesn't come naturally to me. Always feels like a struggle at first. Like my brain just switches off after the initial hello and I can't think of anything to say. Once i've settled down and relaxed I'm much better, but that initial hurdle can be quite difficult to get over. As for positives personally I pick up on things, im very good at reading people or a room. Comes in handy when you're not the best at social interactions i guess. I will say though i've bumped into quite a few others in the scene who are also on the spectrum. So maybe there is something about us thats drawn to this type of lifestyle 🤷 The Asperger's diagnosis has been retired owing to it's Nazi origins. Asperger's is very much still recognised in the DSM and ICD as a diagnosis. +5 No, Asperger’s syndrome is no longer diagnosed in the UK. It was removed from diagnostic manuals (DSM-5 in 2013, ICD-11 in 2019/2022) and replaced by the broader term Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD) or Autism Spectrum Condition (ASC). People previously diagnosed with Asperger's retain that diagnosis, but new evaluations use the updated, more inclusive autism criteria. nhs.uk nhs.uk +2 Key Details on Diagnosis in the UK: Updated Terminology: Doctors now diagnose everyone on the spectrum with Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD), which includes what was previously called Asperger’s. Why it Changed: It was moved under the autism umbrella because it is understood to be part of the same spectrum, rather than a separate condition. Existing Diagnoses: If you were previously diagnosed with Asperger’s, that diagnosis is still valid and recognised by the NHS. Focus of Care: Modern diagnosis focuses on the individual's specific support needs rather than outdated, separate labels. nhs.uk nhs.uk +4 While some individuals may still use the term "Asperger's" or "Aspie" to describe themselves, clinical, educational, and professional assessments in the UK now use the Autism Spectrum Disorder framework. So the other person is right in that they were diagnosed and have Asperger's, however if you have a recent diagnosis or were to read any text/book/paper's they would say autism instead as a broad term? So you are both right? *Note* I'm not here to argue or debate, just commenting to educate myself. " Yes  | |||
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"Aspergers here. I wouldn't say it affects my sexual behaviour. But its definitely a hindrance for me with the social interactions part. Approaching strangers and starting up a conversation doesn't come naturally to me. Always feels like a struggle at first. Like my brain just switches off after the initial hello and I can't think of anything to say. Once i've settled down and relaxed I'm much better, but that initial hurdle can be quite difficult to get over. As for positives personally I pick up on things, im very good at reading people or a room. Comes in handy when you're not the best at social interactions i guess. I will say though i've bumped into quite a few others in the scene who are also on the spectrum. So maybe there is something about us thats drawn to this type of lifestyle 🤷 The Asperger's diagnosis has been retired owing to it's Nazi origins. " . Still used if thats what you were diagnosed with buddy. Makes no sence though since the man that coined the term "autism" Eugene bleuler was also tied to the nazi's 🤷 look into that guy | |||
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"Aspergers here. I wouldn't say it affects my sexual behaviour. But its definitely a hindrance for me with the social interactions part. Approaching strangers and starting up a conversation doesn't come naturally to me. Always feels like a struggle at first. Like my brain just switches off after the initial hello and I can't think of anything to say. Once i've settled down and relaxed I'm much better, but that initial hurdle can be quite difficult to get over. As for positives personally I pick up on things, im very good at reading people or a room. Comes in handy when you're not the best at social interactions i guess. I will say though i've bumped into quite a few others in the scene who are also on the spectrum. So maybe there is something about us thats drawn to this type of lifestyle 🤷 The Asperger's diagnosis has been retired owing to it's Nazi origins. Asperger's is very much still recognised in the DSM and ICD as a diagnosis. +5 No, Asperger’s syndrome is no longer diagnosed in the UK. It was removed from diagnostic manuals (DSM-5 in 2013, ICD-11 in 2019/2022) and replaced by the broader term Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD) or Autism Spectrum Condition (ASC). People previously diagnosed with Asperger's retain that diagnosis, but new evaluations use the updated, more inclusive autism criteria. nhs.uk nhs.uk +2 Key Details on Diagnosis in the UK: Updated Terminology: Doctors now diagnose everyone on the spectrum with Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD), which includes what was previously called Asperger’s. Why it Changed: It was moved under the autism umbrella because it is understood to be part of the same spectrum, rather than a separate condition. Existing Diagnoses: If you were previously diagnosed with Asperger’s, that diagnosis is still valid and recognised by the NHS. Focus of Care: Modern diagnosis focuses on the individual's specific support needs rather than outdated, separate labels. nhs.uk nhs.uk +4 While some individuals may still use the term "Asperger's" or "Aspie" to describe themselves, clinical, educational, and professional assessments in the UK now use the Autism Spectrum Disorder framework. Thanks , as you have confirmed above . Those diagnosed with Asperger's withhold that diagnosis and it is recognised and treated as such by the NHS. I'm not sure you're a medic yourself or hold a diagnosis ? but I can assure you that though medicine is everchanging, previous criterion is never disregarded entirely . " I have an ASD diagnosis. "though medicine is everchanging, previous criterion is never disregarded entirely"... that's not entirely true e.g. women used to be diagnosed with "female hysteria" which was " was an archaic, commonly used, and now-defunct medical diagnosis for women, spanning from ancient times to the early 20th century. It was a "catch-all" diagnosis for a wide range of, or often unexplained, symptoms—such as anxiety, faintness, insomnia, or "troublesome" behavior—rooted in the sexist belief that a "wandering uterus" or emotional instability caused such ailments". As someone who would have been diagnosed as "Asperger's" if said diagnosis hadn't been retired, I find the term offensive due to it's links with Nazi eugenics. | |||
"Aspergers here. I wouldn't say it affects my sexual behaviour. But its definitely a hindrance for me with the social interactions part. Approaching strangers and starting up a conversation doesn't come naturally to me. Always feels like a struggle at first. Like my brain just switches off after the initial hello and I can't think of anything to say. Once i've settled down and relaxed I'm much better, but that initial hurdle can be quite difficult to get over. As for positives personally I pick up on things, im very good at reading people or a room. Comes in handy when you're not the best at social interactions i guess. I will say though i've bumped into quite a few others in the scene who are also on the spectrum. So maybe there is something about us thats drawn to this type of lifestyle 🤷 The Asperger's diagnosis has been retired owing to it's Nazi origins. Asperger's is very much still recognised in the DSM and ICD as a diagnosis. +5 No, Asperger’s syndrome is no longer diagnosed in the UK. It was removed from diagnostic manuals (DSM-5 in 2013, ICD-11 in 2019/2022) and replaced by the broader term Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD) or Autism Spectrum Condition (ASC). People previously diagnosed with Asperger's retain that diagnosis, but new evaluations use the updated, more inclusive autism criteria. nhs.uk nhs.uk +2 Key Details on Diagnosis in the UK: Updated Terminology: Doctors now diagnose everyone on the spectrum with Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD), which includes what was previously called Asperger’s. Why it Changed: It was moved under the autism umbrella because it is understood to be part of the same spectrum, rather than a separate condition. Existing Diagnoses: If you were previously diagnosed with Asperger’s, that diagnosis is still valid and recognised by the NHS. Focus of Care: Modern diagnosis focuses on the individual's specific support needs rather than outdated, separate labels. nhs.uk nhs.uk +4 While some individuals may still use the term "Asperger's" or "Aspie" to describe themselves, clinical, educational, and professional assessments in the UK now use the Autism Spectrum Disorder framework. Thanks , as you have confirmed above . Those diagnosed with Asperger's withhold that diagnosis and it is recognised and treated as such by the NHS. I'm not sure you're a medic yourself or hold a diagnosis ? but I can assure you that though medicine is everchanging, previous criterion is never disregarded entirely . I have an ASD diagnosis. "though medicine is everchanging, previous criterion is never disregarded entirely"... that's not entirely true e.g. women used to be diagnosed with "female hysteria" which was " was an archaic, commonly used, and now-defunct medical diagnosis for women, spanning from ancient times to the early 20th century. It was a "catch-all" diagnosis for a wide range of, or often unexplained, symptoms—such as anxiety, faintness, insomnia, or "troublesome" behavior—rooted in the sexist belief that a "wandering uterus" or emotional instability caused such ailments". As someone who would have been diagnosed as "Asperger's" if said diagnosis hadn't been retired, I find the term offensive due to it's links with Nazi eugenics. " I am.nor here to argue with you and I can assure you if your intent is to make me feel stupid , that won't work either .. The question I put forward was how neurodiversity as a whole may effect those in this lifestyle . You so clearly want a debate and if that's the case , put your own focused thread up. Can we keep this one friendly, thanks ! | |||
"Aspergers here. I wouldn't say it affects my sexual behaviour. But its definitely a hindrance for me with the social interactions part. Approaching strangers and starting up a conversation doesn't come naturally to me. Always feels like a struggle at first. Like my brain just switches off after the initial hello and I can't think of anything to say. Once i've settled down and relaxed I'm much better, but that initial hurdle can be quite difficult to get over. As for positives personally I pick up on things, im very good at reading people or a room. Comes in handy when you're not the best at social interactions i guess. I will say though i've bumped into quite a few others in the scene who are also on the spectrum. So maybe there is something about us thats drawn to this type of lifestyle 🤷 The Asperger's diagnosis has been retired owing to it's Nazi origins. Asperger's is very much still recognised in the DSM and ICD as a diagnosis. +5 No, Asperger’s syndrome is no longer diagnosed in the UK. It was removed from diagnostic manuals (DSM-5 in 2013, ICD-11 in 2019/2022) and replaced by the broader term Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD) or Autism Spectrum Condition (ASC). People previously diagnosed with Asperger's retain that diagnosis, but new evaluations use the updated, more inclusive autism criteria. nhs.uk nhs.uk +2 Key Details on Diagnosis in the UK: Updated Terminology: Doctors now diagnose everyone on the spectrum with Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD), which includes what was previously called Asperger’s. Why it Changed: It was moved under the autism umbrella because it is understood to be part of the same spectrum, rather than a separate condition. Existing Diagnoses: If you were previously diagnosed with Asperger’s, that diagnosis is still valid and recognised by the NHS. Focus of Care: Modern diagnosis focuses on the individual's specific support needs rather than outdated, separate labels. nhs.uk nhs.uk +4 While some individuals may still use the term "Asperger's" or "Aspie" to describe themselves, clinical, educational, and professional assessments in the UK now use the Autism Spectrum Disorder framework. Thanks , as you have confirmed above . Those diagnosed with Asperger's withhold that diagnosis and it is recognised and treated as such by the NHS. I'm not sure you're a medic yourself or hold a diagnosis ? but I can assure you that though medicine is everchanging, previous criterion is never disregarded entirely . I have an ASD diagnosis. "though medicine is everchanging, previous criterion is never disregarded entirely"... that's not entirely true e.g. women used to be diagnosed with "female hysteria" which was " was an archaic, commonly used, and now-defunct medical diagnosis for women, spanning from ancient times to the early 20th century. It was a "catch-all" diagnosis for a wide range of, or often unexplained, symptoms—such as anxiety, faintness, insomnia, or "troublesome" behavior—rooted in the sexist belief that a "wandering uterus" or emotional instability caused such ailments". As someone who would have been diagnosed as "Asperger's" if said diagnosis hadn't been retired, I find the term offensive due to it's links with Nazi eugenics. I am.nor here to argue with you and I can assure you if your intent is to make me feel stupid , that won't work either .. The question I put forward was how neurodiversity as a whole may effect those in this lifestyle . You so clearly want a debate and if that's the case , put your own focused thread up. Can we keep this one friendly, thanks !" EXCUSE ME? Am I not neurodiverse and in the lifestyle? I merely pointed out the FACT that Asperger diagnosis has been retired for a good reason. | |||
"Aspergers here. I wouldn't say it affects my sexual behaviour. But its definitely a hindrance for me with the social interactions part. Approaching strangers and starting up a conversation doesn't come naturally to me. Always feels like a struggle at first. Like my brain just switches off after the initial hello and I can't think of anything to say. Once i've settled down and relaxed I'm much better, but that initial hurdle can be quite difficult to get over. As for positives personally I pick up on things, im very good at reading people or a room. Comes in handy when you're not the best at social interactions i guess. I will say though i've bumped into quite a few others in the scene who are also on the spectrum. So maybe there is something about us thats drawn to this type of lifestyle 🤷 The Asperger's diagnosis has been retired owing to it's Nazi origins. Asperger's is very much still recognised in the DSM and ICD as a diagnosis. +5 No, Asperger’s syndrome is no longer diagnosed in the UK. It was removed from diagnostic manuals (DSM-5 in 2013, ICD-11 in 2019/2022) and replaced by the broader term Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD) or Autism Spectrum Condition (ASC). People previously diagnosed with Asperger's retain that diagnosis, but new evaluations use the updated, more inclusive autism criteria. nhs.uk nhs.uk +2 Key Details on Diagnosis in the UK: Updated Terminology: Doctors now diagnose everyone on the spectrum with Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD), which includes what was previously called Asperger’s. Why it Changed: It was moved under the autism umbrella because it is understood to be part of the same spectrum, rather than a separate condition. Existing Diagnoses: If you were previously diagnosed with Asperger’s, that diagnosis is still valid and recognised by the NHS. Focus of Care: Modern diagnosis focuses on the individual's specific support needs rather than outdated, separate labels. nhs.uk nhs.uk +4 While some individuals may still use the term "Asperger's" or "Aspie" to describe themselves, clinical, educational, and professional assessments in the UK now use the Autism Spectrum Disorder framework. Thanks , as you have confirmed above . Those diagnosed with Asperger's withhold that diagnosis and it is recognised and treated as such by the NHS. I'm not sure you're a medic yourself or hold a diagnosis ? but I can assure you that though medicine is everchanging, previous criterion is never disregarded entirely . I have an ASD diagnosis. "though medicine is everchanging, previous criterion is never disregarded entirely"... that's not entirely true e.g. women used to be diagnosed with "female hysteria" which was " was an archaic, commonly used, and now-defunct medical diagnosis for women, spanning from ancient times to the early 20th century. It was a "catch-all" diagnosis for a wide range of, or often unexplained, symptoms—such as anxiety, faintness, insomnia, or "troublesome" behavior—rooted in the sexist belief that a "wandering uterus" or emotional instability caused such ailments". As someone who would have been diagnosed as "Asperger's" if said diagnosis hadn't been retired, I find the term offensive due to it's links with Nazi eugenics. I am.nor here to argue with you and I can assure you if your intent is to make me feel stupid , that won't work either .. The question I put forward was how neurodiversity as a whole may effect those in this lifestyle . You so clearly want a debate and if that's the case , put your own focused thread up. Can we keep this one friendly, thanks ! EXCUSE ME? Am I not neurodiverse and in the lifestyle? I merely pointed out the FACT that Asperger diagnosis has been retired for a good reason. " Yes hans aspergers had ties to the nazi's. So did Eugene bleuler who came up with autism. Bleuler definitely being the worst of the two. Does "autism" offend you too, that has nazi origins also? If aspergers is bad because its tied to nazis how is autism acceptable to you 🤷 autism also has nazi origins. i've done alot of research on this subject. Im not trying to trigger or offend you buddy but your logic makes no sence. Seriously, look into bleuler. Anyway I dont think the op wants this debate on her post so good day to you buddy 😁👍 | |||
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"Aspergers here. I wouldn't say it affects my sexual behaviour. But its definitely a hindrance for me with the social interactions part. Approaching strangers and starting up a conversation doesn't come naturally to me. Always feels like a struggle at first. Like my brain just switches off after the initial hello and I can't think of anything to say. Once i've settled down and relaxed I'm much better, but that initial hurdle can be quite difficult to get over. As for positives personally I pick up on things, im very good at reading people or a room. Comes in handy when you're not the best at social interactions i guess. I will say though i've bumped into quite a few others in the scene who are also on the spectrum. So maybe there is something about us thats drawn to this type of lifestyle 🤷 The Asperger's diagnosis has been retired owing to it's Nazi origins. Asperger's is very much still recognised in the DSM and ICD as a diagnosis. +5 No, Asperger’s syndrome is no longer diagnosed in the UK. It was removed from diagnostic manuals (DSM-5 in 2013, ICD-11 in 2019/2022) and replaced by the broader term Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD) or Autism Spectrum Condition (ASC). People previously diagnosed with Asperger's retain that diagnosis, but new evaluations use the updated, more inclusive autism criteria. nhs.uk nhs.uk +2 Key Details on Diagnosis in the UK: Updated Terminology: Doctors now diagnose everyone on the spectrum with Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD), which includes what was previously called Asperger’s. Why it Changed: It was moved under the autism umbrella because it is understood to be part of the same spectrum, rather than a separate condition. Existing Diagnoses: If you were previously diagnosed with Asperger’s, that diagnosis is still valid and recognised by the NHS. Focus of Care: Modern diagnosis focuses on the individual's specific support needs rather than outdated, separate labels. nhs.uk nhs.uk +4 While some individuals may still use the term "Asperger's" or "Aspie" to describe themselves, clinical, educational, and professional assessments in the UK now use the Autism Spectrum Disorder framework. Thanks , as you have confirmed above . Those diagnosed with Asperger's withhold that diagnosis and it is recognised and treated as such by the NHS. I'm not sure you're a medic yourself or hold a diagnosis ? but I can assure you that though medicine is everchanging, previous criterion is never disregarded entirely . I have an ASD diagnosis. "though medicine is everchanging, previous criterion is never disregarded entirely"... that's not entirely true e.g. women used to be diagnosed with "female hysteria" which was " was an archaic, commonly used, and now-defunct medical diagnosis for women, spanning from ancient times to the early 20th century. It was a "catch-all" diagnosis for a wide range of, or often unexplained, symptoms—such as anxiety, faintness, insomnia, or "troublesome" behavior—rooted in the sexist belief that a "wandering uterus" or emotional instability caused such ailments". As someone who would have been diagnosed as "Asperger's" if said diagnosis hadn't been retired, I find the term offensive due to it's links with Nazi eugenics. I am.nor here to argue with you and I can assure you if your intent is to make me feel stupid , that won't work either .. The question I put forward was how neurodiversity as a whole may effect those in this lifestyle . You so clearly want a debate and if that's the case , put your own focused thread up. Can we keep this one friendly, thanks ! EXCUSE ME? Am I not neurodiverse and in the lifestyle? I merely pointed out the FACT that Asperger diagnosis has been retired for a good reason. Yes hans aspergers had ties to the nazi's. So did Eugene bleuler who came up with autism. Bleuler definitely being the worst of the two. Does "autism" offend you too, that has nazi origins also? If aspergers is bad because its tied to nazis how is autism acceptable to you 🤷 autism also has nazi origins. i've done alot of research on this subject. Im not trying to trigger or offend you buddy but your logic makes no sence. Seriously, look into bleuler. Anyway I dont think the op wants this debate on her post so good day to you buddy 😁👍" The term "Asperger's" is considered outdated and increasingly offensive due to its origin with Hans Asperger, an Austrian pediatrician who collaborated with the Nazi regime and was implicated in the deaths of disabled children. While once a formal diagnosis, it is now obsolete, replaced by Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD). National Autistic Society National Autistic Society +4 Nazi Associations: Research has linked Hans Asperger to the Nazi eugenics program, leading many to find the continued use of his name for a diagnosis inappropriate and disrespectful to victims. Outdated Diagnosis: Since the DSM-5 (2013) and ICD-11, Asperger's is no longer a formal medical diagnosis; it is now classified under the broader Autism Spectrum Disorder (specifically, what was once called Asperger's is often referred to as ASD Level 1). Personal Usage: Although many professionals and advocates avoid the term, some individuals diagnosed before 2013 still use "Asperger's" or "Aspie" as a personal identity label. Preference for Autistic: Most experts and self-advocates now prefer the term "autistic" or "autistic person" as it is more inclusive and less associated with historical trauma. National Autistic Society National Autistic Society +7 In summary, while not necessarily intended as an insult by those still using it for themselves, the term is widely considered offensive or, at best, historically insensitive by the broader autistic community and professionals. | |||
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"Aspergers here. I wouldn't say it affects my sexual behaviour. But its definitely a hindrance for me with the social interactions part. Approaching strangers and starting up a conversation doesn't come naturally to me. Always feels like a struggle at first. Like my brain just switches off after the initial hello and I can't think of anything to say. Once i've settled down and relaxed I'm much better, but that initial hurdle can be quite difficult to get over. As for positives personally I pick up on things, im very good at reading people or a room. Comes in handy when you're not the best at social interactions i guess. I will say though i've bumped into quite a few others in the scene who are also on the spectrum. So maybe there is something about us thats drawn to this type of lifestyle 🤷 The Asperger's diagnosis has been retired owing to it's Nazi origins. Asperger's is very much still recognised in the DSM and ICD as a diagnosis. +5 No, Asperger’s syndrome is no longer diagnosed in the UK. It was removed from diagnostic manuals (DSM-5 in 2013, ICD-11 in 2019/2022) and replaced by the broader term Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD) or Autism Spectrum Condition (ASC). People previously diagnosed with Asperger's retain that diagnosis, but new evaluations use the updated, more inclusive autism criteria. nhs.uk nhs.uk +2 Key Details on Diagnosis in the UK: Updated Terminology: Doctors now diagnose everyone on the spectrum with Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD), which includes what was previously called Asperger’s. Why it Changed: It was moved under the autism umbrella because it is understood to be part of the same spectrum, rather than a separate condition. Existing Diagnoses: If you were previously diagnosed with Asperger’s, that diagnosis is still valid and recognised by the NHS. Focus of Care: Modern diagnosis focuses on the individual's specific support needs rather than outdated, separate labels. nhs.uk nhs.uk +4 While some individuals may still use the term "Asperger's" or "Aspie" to describe themselves, clinical, educational, and professional assessments in the UK now use the Autism Spectrum Disorder framework. Thanks , as you have confirmed above . Those diagnosed with Asperger's withhold that diagnosis and it is recognised and treated as such by the NHS. I'm not sure you're a medic yourself or hold a diagnosis ? but I can assure you that though medicine is everchanging, previous criterion is never disregarded entirely . I have an ASD diagnosis. "though medicine is everchanging, previous criterion is never disregarded entirely"... that's not entirely true e.g. women used to be diagnosed with "female hysteria" which was " was an archaic, commonly used, and now-defunct medical diagnosis for women, spanning from ancient times to the early 20th century. It was a "catch-all" diagnosis for a wide range of, or often unexplained, symptoms—such as anxiety, faintness, insomnia, or "troublesome" behavior—rooted in the sexist belief that a "wandering uterus" or emotional instability caused such ailments". As someone who would have been diagnosed as "Asperger's" if said diagnosis hadn't been retired, I find the term offensive due to it's links with Nazi eugenics. I am.nor here to argue with you and I can assure you if your intent is to make me feel stupid , that won't work either .. The question I put forward was how neurodiversity as a whole may effect those in this lifestyle . You so clearly want a debate and if that's the case , put your own focused thread up. Can we keep this one friendly, thanks ! EXCUSE ME? Am I not neurodiverse and in the lifestyle? I merely pointed out the FACT that Asperger diagnosis has been retired for a good reason. Yes hans aspergers had ties to the nazi's. So did Eugene bleuler who came up with autism. Bleuler definitely being the worst of the two. Does "autism" offend you too, that has nazi origins also? If aspergers is bad because its tied to nazis how is autism acceptable to you 🤷 autism also has nazi origins. i've done alot of research on this subject. Im not trying to trigger or offend you buddy but your logic makes no sence. Seriously, look into bleuler. Anyway I dont think the op wants this debate on her post so good day to you buddy 😁👍" Eugen Bleuler (1857–1939), the Swiss psychiatrist famous for coining "schizophrenia," was not directly associated with the Nazi party. While he held eugenicist views common in psychiatry at the time, he did not share the racial fanaticism of his former assistant, Ernst Rüdin, who became a leading psychiatrist in Nazi Germany. Wikipedia Wikipedia +1 Key points regarding Eugen Bleuler and the Nazi era: Eugenic Views: Like many early 20th-century psychiatrists, Bleuler expressed support for eugenic measures, including the sterilization of those with severe mental illness, believing it was for the benefit of society. Contrast with Rüdin: His former assistant, Ernst Rüdin, was a "racial fanatic" who joined the Nazi party, helped develop Nazi racial-hygienic measures, and supported the "euthanasia" programs. Context: Bleuler was a Swiss citizen who worked at the Burghölzli hospital in Zürich and did not directly participate in the atrocities committed by German psychiatrists during the Third Reich. Wikipedia Wikipedia Bleuler's work focused on schizophrenia, while his legacy is complicated by his support for eugenics, though he did not adopt the extreme racial policies of the Nazis. In summary, Eugen Bleuler died before WWII and wasn't a Nazi, whereas Hans Asperger lived to the 1980s and was Nazi. | |||
"Aspergers here. I wouldn't say it affects my sexual behaviour. But its definitely a hindrance for me with the social interactions part. Approaching strangers and starting up a conversation doesn't come naturally to me. Always feels like a struggle at first. Like my brain just switches off after the initial hello and I can't think of anything to say. Once i've settled down and relaxed I'm much better, but that initial hurdle can be quite difficult to get over. As for positives personally I pick up on things, im very good at reading people or a room. Comes in handy when you're not the best at social interactions i guess. I will say though i've bumped into quite a few others in the scene who are also on the spectrum. So maybe there is something about us thats drawn to this type of lifestyle 🤷 The Asperger's diagnosis has been retired owing to it's Nazi origins. Asperger's is very much still recognised in the DSM and ICD as a diagnosis. +5 No, Asperger’s syndrome is no longer diagnosed in the UK. It was removed from diagnostic manuals (DSM-5 in 2013, ICD-11 in 2019/2022) and replaced by the broader term Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD) or Autism Spectrum Condition (ASC). People previously diagnosed with Asperger's retain that diagnosis, but new evaluations use the updated, more inclusive autism criteria. nhs.uk nhs.uk +2 Key Details on Diagnosis in the UK: Updated Terminology: Doctors now diagnose everyone on the spectrum with Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD), which includes what was previously called Asperger’s. Why it Changed: It was moved under the autism umbrella because it is understood to be part of the same spectrum, rather than a separate condition. Existing Diagnoses: If you were previously diagnosed with Asperger’s, that diagnosis is still valid and recognised by the NHS. Focus of Care: Modern diagnosis focuses on the individual's specific support needs rather than outdated, separate labels. nhs.uk nhs.uk +4 While some individuals may still use the term "Asperger's" or "Aspie" to describe themselves, clinical, educational, and professional assessments in the UK now use the Autism Spectrum Disorder framework. Thanks , as you have confirmed above . Those diagnosed with Asperger's withhold that diagnosis and it is recognised and treated as such by the NHS. I'm not sure you're a medic yourself or hold a diagnosis ? but I can assure you that though medicine is everchanging, previous criterion is never disregarded entirely . I have an ASD diagnosis. "though medicine is everchanging, previous criterion is never disregarded entirely"... that's not entirely true e.g. women used to be diagnosed with "female hysteria" which was " was an archaic, commonly used, and now-defunct medical diagnosis for women, spanning from ancient times to the early 20th century. It was a "catch-all" diagnosis for a wide range of, or often unexplained, symptoms—such as anxiety, faintness, insomnia, or "troublesome" behavior—rooted in the sexist belief that a "wandering uterus" or emotional instability caused such ailments". As someone who would have been diagnosed as "Asperger's" if said diagnosis hadn't been retired, I find the term offensive due to it's links with Nazi eugenics. I am.nor here to argue with you and I can assure you if your intent is to make me feel stupid , that won't work either .. The question I put forward was how neurodiversity as a whole may effect those in this lifestyle . You so clearly want a debate and if that's the case , put your own focused thread up. Can we keep this one friendly, thanks ! EXCUSE ME? Am I not neurodiverse and in the lifestyle? I merely pointed out the FACT that Asperger diagnosis has been retired for a good reason. Yes hans aspergers had ties to the nazi's. So did Eugene bleuler who came up with autism. Bleuler definitely being the worst of the two. Does "autism" offend you too, that has nazi origins also? If aspergers is bad because its tied to nazis how is autism acceptable to you 🤷 autism also has nazi origins. i've done alot of research on this subject. Im not trying to trigger or offend you buddy but your logic makes no sence. Seriously, look into bleuler. Anyway I dont think the op wants this debate on her post so good day to you buddy 😁👍 Eugen Bleuler (1857–1939), the Swiss psychiatrist famous for coining "schizophrenia," was not directly associated with the Nazi party. While he held eugenicist views common in psychiatry at the time, he did not share the racial fanaticism of his former assistant, Ernst Rüdin, who became a leading psychiatrist in Nazi Germany. Wikipedia Wikipedia +1 Key points regarding Eugen Bleuler and the Nazi era: Eugenic Views: Like many early 20th-century psychiatrists, Bleuler expressed support for eugenic measures, including the sterilization of those with severe mental illness, believing it was for the benefit of society. Contrast with Rüdin: His former assistant, Ernst Rüdin, was a "racial fanatic" who joined the Nazi party, helped develop Nazi racial-hygienic measures, and supported the "euthanasia" programs. Context: Bleuler was a Swiss citizen who worked at the Burghölzli hospital in Zürich and did not directly participate in the atrocities committed by German psychiatrists during the Third Reich. Wikipedia Wikipedia Bleuler's work focused on schizophrenia, while his legacy is complicated by his support for eugenics, though he did not adopt the extreme racial policies of the Nazis. In summary, Eugen Bleuler died before WWII and wasn't a Nazi, whereas Hans Asperger lived to the 1980s and was Nazi. " Yes but only due to timing. The nazis built opon his work. He was an old man that died a few years after the nazi regime started. His work in eugenics set the table that the nazi's build upon. If he were alive today, he would want you sterilised or eliminated. He saw us flawed. Their beliefs were his beliefs 🤷. Both hans asperger and Eugene bleuler were cut from the same cloth. One just pre dated the other. actually look into the guy. Anyways i'll continue to use the diagnosis i was given. Regardless if you find it offensive or not. The same way I wouldn't stop driving a BMW, Mercedes, or volkswagen if you said they offended you. Everything is offensive if you try hard enough buddy 😁 | |||
"Aspergers here. I wouldn't say it affects my sexual behaviour. But its definitely a hindrance for me with the social interactions part. Approaching strangers and starting up a conversation doesn't come naturally to me. Always feels like a struggle at first. Like my brain just switches off after the initial hello and I can't think of anything to say. Once i've settled down and relaxed I'm much better, but that initial hurdle can be quite difficult to get over. As for positives personally I pick up on things, im very good at reading people or a room. Comes in handy when you're not the best at social interactions i guess. I will say though i've bumped into quite a few others in the scene who are also on the spectrum. So maybe there is something about us thats drawn to this type of lifestyle 🤷 The Asperger's diagnosis has been retired owing to it's Nazi origins. " You've not really read the opening thread.. if there are other things you want to discuss, then why not start a new thread about your topic? | |||
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"Being AuDHD doesn't help in this scene, yes it's helped me make some very long lasting, diverse friendships over the years, but it's also made me a bit marmite for people. Some will love my lack of filters & the freedom that sometimes comes with my physical expression, others can't manage my direct approach & bluntness. My sense of fairness also seems to polarise people, I can't just let things slide. In terms of meeting, I don't gel with many people so meets are few & far between, it doesn't take much from some people to shut me down socially, especially on here. I can be intolerant & grumpy & very very prickly, but those I do click with, they see a totally opposite side to me, that shows my free & uninhibited soul. I naturally gravitate to difference, because it makes me feel safer X" I don't have a diagnosis for ADHD instead I was diagnosed with a personality disorder but I felt seen reading your post as this is so me. Xxx | |||
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"Being AuDHD doesn't help in this scene, yes it's helped me make some very long lasting, diverse friendships over the years, but it's also made me a bit marmite for people. Some will love my lack of filters & the freedom that sometimes comes with my physical expression, others can't manage my direct approach & bluntness. My sense of fairness also seems to polarise people, I can't just let things slide. In terms of meeting, I don't gel with many people so meets are few & far between, it doesn't take much from some people to shut me down socially, especially on here. I can be intolerant & grumpy & very very prickly, but those I do click with, they see a totally opposite side to me, that shows my free & uninhibited soul. I naturally gravitate to difference, because it makes me feel safer X I don't have a diagnosis for ADHD instead I was diagnosed with a personality disorder but I felt seen reading your post as this is so me. Xxx" It's a diverse community & we should all be seen for what we bring to it, unfortunately it's also one of the most judgy in my experience. And yep I know judgy isn't a real word but I like it so  | |||
"Being AuDHD doesn't help in this scene, yes it's helped me make some very long lasting, diverse friendships over the years, but it's also made me a bit marmite for people. Some will love my lack of filters & the freedom that sometimes comes with my physical expression, others can't manage my direct approach & bluntness. My sense of fairness also seems to polarise people, I can't just let things slide. In terms of meeting, I don't gel with many people so meets are few & far between, it doesn't take much from some people to shut me down socially, especially on here. I can be intolerant & grumpy & very very prickly, but those I do click with, they see a totally opposite side to me, that shows my free & uninhibited soul. I naturally gravitate to difference, because it makes me feel safer X I don't have a diagnosis for ADHD instead I was diagnosed with a personality disorder but I felt seen reading your post as this is so me. Xxx It's a diverse community & we should all be seen for what we bring to it, unfortunately it's also one of the most judgy in my experience. And yep I know judgy isn't a real word but I like it so "I like the word as well. It is and I find it very clicky. I am here to meet & not make best friends. Xx | |||
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