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Teachers and teaching,
Such a sad indictment of our society at the moment. These are going to grow up and have kids of their own and who knows what they will be like.
Anybody teaching being affected similarly?
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I have a trans friend that has been teaching for 15 + years They are about to leave profession as the hostile narrative in schooling is bad but add in her trans status and the abuse she now gets from some parents / kids call her a groomer / pervert / dangerous etc have pushed her over edge.
This is a person that is extremely gifted at communication and education instruction. That looks just like any other nornal person what a waste of skill set to be lost .
She says many teaching friends have quit and gone to work in otter professions as more time / less hassle better pay
Teaching is a time bomb about to go off in this country absolutely |
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By *vaRoseWoman 7 weeks ago
Ankh-Morpork |
Yes a friend is a primary headmistress, she leaves at the end of the school year. The pressure, the right wing narratives from parents and above, the lack of support for staff and students. The joy she once felt in her career have gone |
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^^ absolutely this ^^
I’ve three friends who are all teachers/educators, one took voluntary redundancy after 25 years, the university simply let him walk away!
The other two have literally had their joy of teaching eroded away via backstabbing management, belittled by parents who couldn’t parent to save their lives and children so ferule they can’t sit still for five minutes let alone be educated.
Sad times, it does make you wonder where the next generation are headed  |
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It’s a complicated problem from every angle but I would definitely say it’s getting worse.
Kids are to protected from negative interactions with adults to the point almost all consequences have been removed.
Parents to vain and needy to risk spoiling their own positive reinforcement by actually teaching there kids the unpleasant truths of social interactions.
Teachers being restricted to only “positive help at all cost” nonsense, so they don’t give the lazy parent an excuse to show some scrutiny in there child’s shit personality development. That’s not including the ones that are only teaching because they need an audience to vent their own shite life philosophy to obviously.
Social media probably plays a big part as well it just makes them strangers to real life, wondering why they should learn anything when all some goofy nobody needed to do to get rich was prance about recording themselves being stupid |
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It speaks volumes now, how something a simple as a pencil sharpener can't be sold to under 16s.
Is it really that bad? The seventies eighties weren't ideal. |
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This isn't new or recent unfortunately.
It's even worse in FE.
I never thought I'd see myself writing this but stricter discipline is required and the pupils who are unwilling to be educated should be allowed to work.
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"It’s a complicated problem from every angle but I would definitely say it’s getting worse.
Kids are to protected from negative interactions with adults to the point almost all consequences have been removed.
Parents to vain and needy to risk spoiling their own positive reinforcement by actually teaching there kids the unpleasant truths of social interactions.
Teachers being restricted to only “positive help at all cost” nonsense, so they don’t give the lazy parent an excuse to show some scrutiny in there child’s shit personality development. That’s not including the ones that are only teaching because they need an audience to vent their own shite life philosophy to obviously.
Social media probably plays a big part as well it just makes them strangers to real life, wondering why they should learn anything when all some goofy nobody needed to do to get rich was prance about recording themselves being stupid"
Exactly this
I have taught in different countries and I would never teach in the uk. But good for the ones that do and try to make a difference. They are very admirable |
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Yep, I'm an early years teacher and I'm finding that the curriculum isn't fit for purpose now as Children are developing faster and their cognitive processes are more complex now than they were 20 years ago. Which is to be expected.
We are also seeing more Children presenting with traits of SEN, but again the model of assessing and referring hasn't changed...
And the worst is the ridiculous demands from parents who think they can speak to staff like crap, how are the Children meant to learn if the see and hear the parents being twats
I literally had to tell a parent to find another setting this week after she demanded that her child not be changed by a male practitioner....I had to go through our HR before I responded to make sure I could, but yes, I did tell her that as we couldn't meet her needs then we would have to terminate her place....She was not happy and came in the next day to say she had changed her mind, her child was fine to be changed by a male - Surprise surprise 
And I know the Government will change the barr with qualifications and ratios and other ridiculous things to keep us on our feet because we obviously don't do enough |
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"Yep, I'm an early years teacher and I'm finding that the curriculum isn't fit for purpose now as Children are developing faster and their cognitive processes are more complex now than they were 20 years ago. Which is to be expected.
We are also seeing more Children presenting with traits of SEN, but again the model of assessing and referring hasn't changed...
And the worst is the ridiculous demands from parents who think they can speak to staff like crap, how are the Children meant to learn if the see and hear the parents being twats
I literally had to tell a parent to find another setting this week after she demanded that her child not be changed by a male practitioner....I had to go through our HR before I responded to make sure I could, but yes, I did tell her that as we couldn't meet her needs then we would have to terminate her place....She was not happy and came in the next day to say she had changed her mind, her child was fine to be changed by a male - Surprise surprise
And I know the Government will change the barr with qualifications and ratios and other ridiculous things to keep us on our feet because we obviously don't do enough "
This government will be importing in teachers to fix the decline I guess |
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"Yep, I'm an early years teacher and I'm finding that the curriculum isn't fit for purpose now as Children are developing faster and their cognitive processes are more complex now than they were 20 years ago. Which is to be expected.
We are also seeing more Children presenting with traits of SEN, but again the model of assessing and referring hasn't changed...
And the worst is the ridiculous demands from parents who think they can speak to staff like crap, how are the Children meant to learn if the see and hear the parents being twats
I literally had to tell a parent to find another setting this week after she demanded that her child not be changed by a male practitioner....I had to go through our HR before I responded to make sure I could, but yes, I did tell her that as we couldn't meet her needs then we would have to terminate her place....She was not happy and came in the next day to say she had changed her mind, her child was fine to be changed by a male - Surprise surprise
And I know the Government will change the barr with qualifications and ratios and other ridiculous things to keep us on our feet because we obviously don't do enough
This government will be importing in teachers to fix the decline I guess "
Nothing would surprise me |
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This has beem covered many times. Sadly in the majority of cases it comes down to the way children have been brought up, often by parents who behave the same or are too precious about their kids to see the wood from the tree. The only time that show any interest is to side with their kids against the school or a teacher instead of teaching their kids how to behave and respect. There are some amazing teachers that keep leaving as can't cope anymore. There are of course some amazing parents that are raising their kids to be amazing too, just fewer and fewer all the time. It can be an emotive and sensitive subject so no more comments from me but I certainly know where most of the blame lies. Who would want to be a teacher these days? |
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By *VineMan 7 weeks ago
Just north of Bristol |
I quit teaching years ago for exactly this reason.
I’d never go back. It’s a shame because on a good day it’s the best job in the world. Unfortunately there were fewer and fewer good days. |
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It's really sad seeing some of the comments of good professionals who quit because it's so toxic. We reap what we sow and decades of appeasement and lowering standards and being fearful of applying the rules to everyone equly and fairly have led us here. I'm not convinced it's either left or right wing particularly just decreasing standards and feral kids having feral kids amongst probably 100 other reasons. Either way it can't be going in a good direction. |
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"Its not about teaching only! Family is the core basically, we cant see a good future for nowadays teen-ager in particular (10% only behave manners)."
For the first 5 years of a child's life, it's the home that is solely responsible. After that for the next 11-13 years, it's a joint effort between home and school. |
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Mr taught in a school near Brixton for a year. About 40% black, 40% Asian, 15% other and about 5% of what you might consider white British. The teaching staff demographics were quite similar.
The tension between the different races was obvious. There was close to zero integration, they only hung out with what you’d consider kids of the same cultural heritage.
The word “racist” was probably the most common word in the classroom used by pupils. They used it against each other and teaching staff. I had a very unruly student who was black tell me his parents are looking forward to meeting me at parents evening. I asked why that was and he said “because you're racist”. I said “how can they have that opinion of me when they have never met me?” He said “cos you’re white”
The punishment system basically encouraged kids to double down if they were reprimanded. For example failing to attend a detention meant they were excluded for 3 days. That was considered a reward, not a punishment.
I never witnessed violence against a teacher but I heard it had happened to other teachers.
I had students in my class that didn’t do a stroke of work for the whole school year. Nothing ever happened when this was reported. My line manager told me to just let them carry on.
I don’t think the system we have is working. The good kids are bullied and scared to go to school and the staff are powerless to help them. The really bad ones do whatever they like and usually have a diagnosis that protects them from consequences.
So many kids finish school scared mentally by their experiences and many come out with next to no qualifications because their aspirations are to be a scrounger like their parents.
I guess my message here is all about the lack of consequences. If they attack a teacher it’s the teachers fault. If they attack another pupil is play that got out of hand. And when they know there’s a free ride waiting for them for the rest of their lives, why work hard to get qualifications? Just work hard to get a mental health diagnosis and you’re set for life.
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By *ambertMan 6 weeks ago
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This is a massively complicated problem, with no simple solutions. It is also not a new issue. I remember the horrendous bullying from back in school, as well as students doing things like locking teachers in cupboards, and this was over 20 years ago.
Discipline is lacking across the board, but it won't be an all in solution. I have seen many people suggest a return of punishments such as the cane, but that was never a solution either, and simply institutionalised violence into people.
I think not only does the entire system require an overhaul, but the social outlook on what parenting is needs to be reassessed and adapted. God knows how. |
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The solutions must be centred around consequences. The problem is there’s a lot of people in power that don’t believe in consequences.
The criminal justice system has the same issues, consequences are so easy to dodge.
Also much of the content of years 10 and 11 are useless for chunk of students, especially maths and science.
A first step forward would be to identify the kids who are academic and likely to do A levels and Uni, as opposed to the kids who’ll be order picking for Amazon, mechanics, builders, plumbers etc and have separate paths for each.
I also think teenagers shouldn’t be eligible for benefits when they live in the family home. They should be either working or learning something that will help them get work.
I hear talk there’s 100,000 jobs available in the care sector. And millions eligible for work who don’t apply for these jobs. Get those leaving school and college with next to no qualifications filling these jobs |
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"The solutions must be centred around consequences. The problem is there’s a lot of people in power that don’t believe in consequences.
The criminal justice system has the same issues, consequences are so easy to dodge.
Also much of the content of years 10 and 11 are useless for chunk of students, especially maths and science.
A first step forward would be to identify the kids who are academic and likely to do A levels and Uni, as opposed to the kids who’ll be order picking for Amazon, mechanics, builders, plumbers etc and have separate paths for each.
I also think teenagers shouldn’t be eligible for benefits when they live in the family home. They should be either working or learning something that will help them get work.
I hear talk there’s 100,000 jobs available in the care sector. And millions eligible for work who don’t apply for these jobs. Get those leaving school and college with next to no qualifications filling these jobs "
I don’t agree with any of that^ . I think teachers should be nicer and a bit more patient and children shouldn’t have to worry about exams, scores are just adding to a mental health crisis in children with their focus on silly bits of paper / certificates. It’s all a bit updated.
In the 70s and 80s it was the other way round the teachers used to abuse the children physically mentally and emotionally, especially if they were black or a bit different. I wouldn’t want to go back to that system. |
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"The solutions must be centred around consequences. The problem is there’s a lot of people in power that don’t believe in consequences.
The criminal justice system has the same issues, consequences are so easy to dodge.
Also much of the content of years 10 and 11 are useless for chunk of students, especially maths and science.
A first step forward would be to identify the kids who are academic and likely to do A levels and Uni, as opposed to the kids who’ll be order picking for Amazon, mechanics, builders, plumbers etc and have separate paths for each.
I also think teenagers shouldn’t be eligible for benefits when they live in the family home. They should be either working or learning something that will help them get work.
I hear talk there’s 100,000 jobs available in the care sector. And millions eligible for work who don’t apply for these jobs. Get those leaving school and college with next to no qualifications filling these jobs "
Care jobs require police checks and those with behavioural problems wouldn't be welcome.
I reckon the nordic prison system and the 'Glasshouse' Correction Centre can teach the politicians a thing or two.
'not all wheels need to be soft, pneumatic and round in order to get the job done.'
Joined up thinking is sorely needed. |
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I think teachers should blame parents. Parents should blame teachers. Schools should blame CAMHS. CAMHS should blame schools. Social services should have a meeting and then all the professionals gang together and blame the parents.
Then when something messed up happens and the police get involved they can have a nice tidy file, which shows that no one can be held accountable. |
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"This is a massively complicated problem, with no simple solutions. It is also not a new issue. I remember the horrendous bullying from back in school, as well as students doing things like locking teachers in cupboards, and this was over 20 years ago.
Discipline is lacking across the board, but it won't be an all in solution. I have seen many people suggest a return of punishments such as the cane, but that was never a solution either, and simply institutionalised violence into people.
I think not only does the entire system require an overhaul, but the social outlook on what parenting is needs to be reassessed and adapted. God knows how. "
It is Complex and not new. But what is new is the scale of the problem, the influence of malign players and social media, access to "technology" and reaping the benefits of the softly softly approach for many years which has not worked well. |
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The teachers push communist woke left wing nonsense. And safeguard parents for criticizing that.
The schools waste tones of public money on things like pens and milk that just get wasted literally atleast £1 per kid every day wasted just on pens they throw away and milk they don't drink.
Headteachers are not old anymore they just elect young woke people.
The same woke policies allow the children to run amok with zero discipline and no consequences.
If they hit the teacher the teacher can't hit them back.
So that's why our kids are going to African boarding school to learn discipline, pursue better extra curricular activities and better grammar.
Primary Schools are just left wing brain washing camps. When they get to high school they know nothing about lining up or sitting upright. They all blame autism (I'm autistic)...but it's just a free pass for them these days.
They learn more LGBT than ABC.
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Ofsted isn't interested in anything other than keeping records or right wing views.
Safeguarding is also more focused on right wing views with zero focus on hamas supporting lefties.
But sadly they have no interest on making sure they line up silently and behave.
You can forget teaching them martial arts or how to use dangerous machines...
They are not even potty trained or able to be sensible and focus..
If you see reception classes the children are over stimulated and distracted by toys....they are not interested in learning to read or maths.
Schools all over the world outperform ours just like or rubbish NHS.
We went woke we went broke
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"The solutions must be centred around consequences. The problem is there’s a lot of people in power that don’t believe in consequences.
The criminal justice system has the same issues, consequences are so easy to dodge.
Also much of the content of years 10 and 11 are useless for chunk of students, especially maths and science.
A first step forward would be to identify the kids who are academic and likely to do A levels and Uni, as opposed to the kids who’ll be order picking for Amazon, mechanics, builders, plumbers etc and have separate paths for each.
I also think teenagers shouldn’t be eligible for benefits when they live in the family home. They should be either working or learning something that will help them get work.
I hear talk there’s 100,000 jobs available in the care sector. And millions eligible for work who don’t apply for these jobs. Get those leaving school and college with next to no qualifications filling these jobs
I don’t agree with any of that^ . I think teachers should be nicer and a bit more patient and children shouldn’t have to worry about exams, scores are just adding to a mental health crisis in children with their focus on silly bits of paper / certificates. It’s all a bit updated.
In the 70s and 80s it was the other way round the teachers used to abuse the children physically mentally and emotionally, especially if they were black or a bit different. I wouldn’t want to go back to that system."
By nicer, do you mean not scream so loud when a student kicks them in the head. I used to do schools transport and collected a kid at 9:30 once. When i asked why there was 3 police cars outside the school he told me a 17 lad had kicked a woman teacher in the face. He laughed as he told the story, and said it was “dead funny”
I agree exams don’t suit all which is why I said at 14, separate tracks should be available that suit the kids better. |
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Stop calling them students and call them what they are: Children. Children who are going to school. AKA school kids, who wear a school uniform and are expected not to attack school teachers or other school kids in school. |
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It was interesting to see Simon Reeves programme last night about Finland. Kids playing in the forest under supervision in temperatures going down to minus 30. When it gets to minus 30 we bring the kids in. And these were not primary school kids. These were pre schoolers. So under 5. Permitted to interact with the enviroment. Encouraged to jump and fall and roll around and help each other.
The teachers are trusted, supported and most importantly respected by the parents.
I applaud teachers in our school system in the UK. Must be one of the toughest jobs out there, we should be paying them more, like nurses and the police, not just banging pots in support now and then and wondering why our society is falling apart around us.
(Pushes the soapbox back into the corner)
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By *avie65Man 6 weeks ago
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There are so many valid points in this thread. I worked in FE for nearly 20 years. When I was offered voluntary redundancy I jumped at it. The FE sector is seeing the results of many years of under funding and the lack of discipline in schools and it will only get worse.
Students in FE are allowed to dictate the curriculum. If they didn’t like a subject they just complained about it until it was dropped.
Most of my managers hadn’t been in a classroom for many years and the majority of the SMT/EMT or whatever they are calling theirselves now had never been in a classroom but thought they knew what students needed.
As a result of underfunding I had a student in their very late teens who couldn’t add 1 on to 16 or divide the answer in half without the aid of a calculator.
I think education is the life blood of society but I fear for it and what will happen in the next few years. 😢 |
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Wow, some very valid points in this thread - and some appalling ones too!
Education in the UK is a highly complex matter with poor outcomes for both teachers and children (16 and under). Ultimately, the system is the problem.
But that aside, children model the behaviours they learn from adults at home, from their peers, and from environmental influences such as media. If you’re under the impression that children learn these behaviours from teachers, then you should try spending a week in education before quoting such rubbish. If we want different behaviours from children then we need to control their exposure to problematic influences and the truth is, more often than not, those influences include the parents. We also need to get honest about and respond effectively to, the national pandemic that is generational trauma.
The bottom line is that children to adult aggression, abuse, disobedience and violence in schools is a societal issue and not just an educational one. Discipline and behaviour is modelled elder to younger.
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"CAMHS?
Children and adolescent mental health services.
40 years too late for me."
I hear you and it's a shit system, lots of Children are falling through the system because it takes to long to access support and if you live in a rural area chances are there you'd have to go miles away, in my area you're looking at 30/40 mile away
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By *ripfillMan 6 weeks ago
Paris, New York, Hong Kong and Havant |
"I have a trans friend that has been teaching for 15 + years They are about to leave profession as the hostile narrative in schooling is bad but add in her trans status and the abuse she now gets from some parents / kids call her a groomer / pervert / dangerous etc have pushed her over edge.
This is a person that is extremely gifted at communication and education instruction. That looks just like any other nornal person what a waste of skill set to be lost .
She says many teaching friends have quit and gone to work in otter professions as more time / less hassle better pay
Teaching is a time bomb about to go off in this country absolutely "
How have we evolved into this “hate” and prejudice society …
I share your comments here , such talent irrespective of personal life style is not being abject do something she is good at and gets fulfilment from but the students are further missing out
Yes I agree time bomb …. Ticking .. |
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By *ripfillMan 6 weeks ago
Paris, New York, Hong Kong and Havant |
I get sometimes asked as a guest speaker or lecture to talk about my subject area.
One thing I cannot abide is bad manners
It seems these days that a lot of students a very little respect for their teachers which is very sad because there is from respect a form of healthy control from which learning can take place,
No one can enjoy concentrating when the hub hub of noise is overpowering
I was sat at the back of hall recently trying to listen to a teacher - but the students were like a pack of wild animals. The teacher had no chance was such a shame. |
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From my experience, behaviour of the young people is so varied from school to school, I find it amazing how the behaviour management is so varied across schools. Now there is an argument about the area of which the school is located but I don't believe this is a factor. The education system is the problem also the factors the young people are living with outside of the school.
Not all but parenting responsibility is a big player in this but unfortunately we find ourselves in a position that parents have be deprived of that education relating to psychological effects from parenting in the wrong way for that individual needs.
Crazy world we live in. School is actually a safe space for a lot of our young people. |
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