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By *aron Van Winkle OP   Man 2 weeks ago

In fair Verona.

Photos on the profile are often fabbed, complimented and even voted for on for hot pics or forum competitions. (Best tits etc). But when you send a face pic you often get told - ‘sorry, you are not my type!’

So when you feel 10/10 for pics but 3/10 for your face, what can you do? 🤷‍♂️😅

Can anyone else relate to this?

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By *luebell888Woman 2 weeks ago

Glasgowish

My face is OK but I seldom show it on fab. I am no spring chicken but been told I still look OK in the flesh.

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By *icecouple561Couple 2 weeks ago
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East Sussex

Its funny isn't it. I think my body looks younger than my face and people will be surprised when they see me.

What can be done? Nothing really unless you provide face pictures early on and await the crashing silence

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By *antasticMrFucks07Man 2 weeks ago

plymouth

I have a face for radio so I’m pleased people even fab my pics 🤣😂

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By *aron Van Winkle OP   Man 2 weeks ago

In fair Verona.


"Its funny isn't it. I think my body looks younger than my face and people will be surprised when they see me.

What can be done? Nothing really unless you provide face pictures early on and await the crashing silence "

I have an outbox of yellow unread all with attached face pics. I’m not a detective, but I deduce that they are not interested in talking to me. 😅

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By *2000ManMan 2 weeks ago

Worthing

Women have a type, men don't. Women also have a favourite actor, sportsman or musician. Another hurdle is the gents face has to be over 95% similar to this favourite. Good luck gents!

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By *hunky GentMan 2 weeks ago

Stamford

My face is the last thing I have to worry about. 😆

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By *icecouple561Couple 2 weeks ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex


"Its funny isn't it. I think my body looks younger than my face and people will be surprised when they see me.

What can be done? Nothing really unless you provide face pictures early on and await the crashing silence

I have an outbox of yellow unread all with attached face pics. I’m not a detective, but I deduce that they are not interested in talking to me. 😅"

I think you qualify for the deerstalker and possibly the pipe. 😇

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By *atwickGuy1Man 2 weeks ago

Gatwick

Can be a funny old place this!

Send a face pic and get back a no thanks (which is cool) but why are you then trying it on in person not realising I’m the same person. The pic is clear and obvious it’s me.

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By *eonknifeWoman 2 weeks ago

skegness


"

Photos on the profile are often fabbed, complimented and even voted for on for hot pics or forum competitions. (Best tits etc). But when you send a face pic you often get told - ‘sorry, you are not my type!’

So when you feel 10/10 for pics but 3/10 for your face, what can you do? 🤷‍♂️😅

Can anyone else relate to this? "

nope, sorry. face is giving and body is tea.

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By *orny IrishMan 2 weeks ago

Rural Wiltshire

I am not that bothered as my pics don't get fabbed that often. So nothing to get excited about. I have accepted that and therefore not so bothered. When I have met in person then I get you look younger than your age.

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By *tandardIssueNerdMan 2 weeks ago

Telford

I tend to get this a lot. If I send a message and I'm lucky enough to get a reply, everything below my neck will get compliments etc.

But as soon as I send a face pic, 9.5/10 it's a "sorry not for me/us" or the message thread gets deleted. Or my favourite, getting blocked without them saying anything.

Always makes my day

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By *rPunxMan 2 weeks ago

Hull

OK after a lifetime of contact sports I have a face that resembles a punchbag. I'm not very photogenic in that respect. But see me in real life I'm often told I don't look my age and I'm ruggedly hansom. Guess photos don't do me any favours

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By *hrills and adventureMan 2 weeks ago

Winchester

Avoid that disappointment, post a face pic in your profile and put everyone of straight away. Sits in silence watching the tumble roll by.

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By *orbidden eastMan 2 weeks ago

london dodging electric bikes

My face definitely does not match and this is from other peoples opinions 🤣🤣🤣

But my opinion, I’m not bad looking I think 😜

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By *ora the explorerWoman 2 weeks ago

Paradise, Herts

I think my face is actually better than my chunky body 🤣🤣. Not a chance my face is going public though

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By *ife NinjaMan 2 weeks ago

Dunfermline


"I think my face is actually better than my chunky body 🤣🤣. Not a chance my face is going public though "

I've seen it. I'd snog it 😘🤓

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By *hunky GentMan 2 weeks ago

Stamford


"I think my face is actually better than my chunky body 🤣🤣. Not a chance my face is going public though "

It's such a lovely face though. Xxxxx

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By *corpionixMan 2 weeks ago

Crewe

I have a friendly face 🤣🤣🤣

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By *ora the explorerWoman 2 weeks ago

Paradise, Herts


"I think my face is actually better than my chunky body 🤣🤣. Not a chance my face is going public though

I've seen it. I'd snog it 😘🤓"

Haha. I always think hardly anyone has seen it but forget all the socials I’ve been to over the years and the who do you look like games I’ve played 🤣

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By *ora the explorerWoman 2 weeks ago

Paradise, Herts


"I think my face is actually better than my chunky body 🤣🤣. Not a chance my face is going public though

It's such a lovely face though. Xxxxx"

❤️❤️❤️

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By *ife NinjaMan 2 weeks ago

Dunfermline


"I think my face is actually better than my chunky body 🤣🤣. Not a chance my face is going public though

I've seen it. I'd snog it 😘🤓

Haha. I always think hardly anyone has seen it but forget all the socials I’ve been to over the years and the who do you look like games I’ve played 🤣"

You sent it to me privately a long time ago. I never forget a gorgeous face 😘🤓

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By *poolGuyMan 2 weeks ago

Liverpool

I say I have a beard when messaging.

It's on my profile I have a beard.

Send a face pic... "Oh sorry no, I don't like beards" 🙄🤦🏻‍♂️

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By *oeBeansMan 2 weeks ago

Derby

Yeah, pretty much this. I'll get compliments on my pics and we'll be chatting and as soon as I send a face pic, the conversation goes dead.

Used to hurt a bit when it first happened, but now I come to expect it 🤷‍♂️

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By *sWyldWoman 2 weeks ago

Edinburgh

I think my face definitely let's me down at times , not that my body is all that great either. That's just life . I don't dwell on it

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By *exyInLatinMan 2 weeks ago

Warsop

I sometimes think my face lets me down, I look older in the face than I am and sometimes I get a bit nervous about that and people thinking I’m catfishing them 🤣 I’m told I have nice eyes though lol

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By *ife NinjaMan 2 weeks ago

Dunfermline


"I think my face definitely let's me down at times , not that my body is all that great either. That's just life . I don't dwell on it"

It's a great friendly face 🤓

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By *sStephenPickleMan 2 weeks ago

Ends

Nah can’t relate. I’m fat. The only chance I have with people is my face.

Face cards are important though and I’m through pretending that they’re not.

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By *tandardIssueNerdMan 2 weeks ago

Telford


"Yeah, pretty much this. I'll get compliments on my pics and we'll be chatting and as soon as I send a face pic, the conversation goes dead.

Used to hurt a bit when it first happened, but now I come to expect it 🤷‍♂️"

I'm basically the same. But for me, it did didn't hurt for a while when I first joined. It's only recently-ish that it has started to get to my head.

Just means that I'm not really allowing myself to get excited about getting replies anymore.

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By *onglegcoupleCouple 2 weeks ago

manchester

I think my face is good for 43 but my body lets me down (check profile pic)

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By *olvesxcoupleCouple 2 weeks ago

Wolverhampton

We get more fabs from partial face pics than anything else. I don't think we've horrified anyone. Yet

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By *am_OconnellMan 2 weeks ago

south east

The worst one is the immediate block after a face pic hahah - an ego blow for sure!

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By *eliWoman 2 weeks ago

.

I think my face is one of my best features and I'm fat so no, I can't, sorry OP - it's definitely the other way around with me. My face hasn't ever put someone off come to think of it.

Yay me I guess.

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By *aron Van Winkle OP   Man 2 weeks ago

In fair Verona.

So it’s common then, aren’t we special? 😅

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By *ife NinjaMan 2 weeks ago

Dunfermline


"We get more fabs from partial face pics than anything else. I don't think we've horrified anyone. Yet "

Beautiful eyes 🔥🤓

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By *olvesxcoupleCouple 2 weeks ago

Wolverhampton


"We get more fabs from partial face pics than anything else. I don't think we've horrified anyone. Yet

Beautiful eyes 🔥🤓"

Thank you

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By *r Bond.Man 2 weeks ago

Moving Around the Midlands


"Nah can’t relate. I’m fat. The only chance I have with people is my face."

Agreed Steve. Even then once I show my face the conversation dies.

If only we could take pictures of our awesome personalities 🤷🏻‍♂️

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By *ineapplePixie69!Couple 2 weeks ago

Neverland/Wales

I think my face is ok, does it match my body probably not, but thats my opinion.

We have done OK on fab so with the combination soooo 🤷‍♀️

Tink ✨️

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By *hunky GentMan 2 weeks ago

Stamford


"We get more fabs from partial face pics than anything else. I don't think we've horrified anyone. Yet "

Oi. You're gorgeous 😍

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By *oeBeansMan 2 weeks ago

Derby


"I think my face is ok, does it match my body probably not, but thats my opinion.

We have done OK on fab so with the combination soooo 🤷‍♀️

Tink ✨️"

I think that's my attitude now as well. I do ok on Fab, not amazing, but well enough that my face should be an issue 😅

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By *exyInLatinMan 2 weeks ago

Warsop


"We get more fabs from partial face pics than anything else. I don't think we've horrified anyone. Yet "

Erm that’s because you have a beaut face

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By *veragecouple2000Couple 2 weeks ago

South Wales

I hate the face pic part of it! I haven’t yet found a way to take a nice selfie…..on the whole I’m happier taking body pics xx 😄

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By *ineapplePixie69!Couple 2 weeks ago

Neverland/Wales


"I think my face is ok, does it match my body probably not, but thats my opinion.

We have done OK on fab so with the combination soooo 🤷‍♀️

Tink ✨️

I think that's my attitude now as well. I do ok on Fab, not amazing, but well enough that my face should be an issue 😅"

That's the right attitude to have Mr Beans, it's their loss, plenty more on fab that we can charm 😉

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By *allipygousMan 2 weeks ago

Leicester

It's called being 'butters' . . . Nice body, but her face 🤷🏾‍♂️

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By *olvesxcoupleCouple 2 weeks ago

Wolverhampton


"We get more fabs from partial face pics than anything else. I don't think we've horrified anyone. Yet

Oi. You're gorgeous 😍 "

The cheques in the post 😘

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By *llfingersandtongueMan 2 weeks ago

Aylesbury

If my face fits, i want it to be sat on, used and abused. So why care what it looks like?

lol.

c.x

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By *allipygousMan 2 weeks ago

Leicester


"It's called being 'butters' . . . Nice body, but her face 🤷🏾‍♂️ "

Don't know the male equivalent, if there is one.

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By *emonochromeMan 2 weeks ago

Watford

If you ask me on a Monday I’ll say I hate my face if you ask me on a Thursday I’ll be winking at myself in the mirror if you ask me on a Sunday I’ll say meh who bloody knows

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By *carlet SeductionWoman 2 weeks ago

Maidstone

My face doesn't match the boobs. That's why I don't face.

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By *olvesxcoupleCouple 2 weeks ago

Wolverhampton


"We get more fabs from partial face pics than anything else. I don't think we've horrified anyone. Yet

Erm that’s because you have a beaut face"

Too kind 😘😘

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By *ife NinjaMan 2 weeks ago

Dunfermline


"My face doesn't match the boobs. That's why I don't face. "

Wrong 😘🤓

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By *oeBeansMan 2 weeks ago

Derby


"I think my face is ok, does it match my body probably not, but thats my opinion.

We have done OK on fab so with the combination soooo 🤷‍♀️

Tink ✨️

I think that's my attitude now as well. I do ok on Fab, not amazing, but well enough that my face should be an issue 😅

That's the right attitude to have Mr Beans, it's their loss, plenty more on fab that we can charm 😉 "

Can and have 😜

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By *re192Man 2 weeks ago

rainham

Yhh I get mixed messages Hahaa I suppose I’m marmite

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By *etwife8230Couple 2 weeks ago

Newport

It's got me into trouble but no complaints 🤷

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By *eardedguy83Man 2 weeks ago

Worcestershire

I get it that any lady wanting to meet me wants to see my face. I don’t send many as don’t get asked🤣

However, I try to send a smiley one or something that shows the real me…if that makes sense.

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By *azmar62Couple 2 weeks ago

Hinckley

We’re both fugly. But, actually don’t care what anyone thinks. We’re here for the fun and enjoyment of life and so worrying about idiotic stuff isn’t a problem for us.

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By *reachersdaughterWoman 2 weeks ago

Someplace

I'm more self conscious of my body than face. I wish I had curves but it is what it is

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By *emonochromeMan 2 weeks ago

Watford


"I'm more self conscious of my body than face. I wish I had curves but it is what it is "

And yet most if not all would say you’re stunning on both counts

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By *hunky GentMan 2 weeks ago

Stamford


"I'm more self conscious of my body than face. I wish I had curves but it is what it is "

You look delightful, young lady xx

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By *peedyGMan 2 weeks ago

Telford

Not many people have seen my face on fab, I think i just look average personally.

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By *oeBeansMan 2 weeks ago

Derby


"I'm more self conscious of my body than face. I wish I had curves but it is what it is "

I think it's natural to look self-critique and focus more on what you want to change than what you have. But for what it's worth, your body looks incredible! ♥️

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By *6108Man 2 weeks ago

Ashington

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By *6108Man 2 weeks ago

Ashington


"I have a face for radio so I’m pleased people even fab my pics 🤣😂"

Me to.

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By *peedyGMan 2 weeks ago

Telford


"I get it that any lady wanting to meet me wants to see my face. I don’t send many as don’t get asked🤣

However, I try to send a smiley one or something that shows the real me…if that makes sense. "

Yes it does pal and i'm similar in both not getting asked much and also showing one that actually looks like me now

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By *ineapplePixie69!Couple 2 weeks ago

Neverland/Wales


"I'm more self conscious of my body than face. I wish I had curves but it is what it is "

I totally get it, I dislike my body especially after having children....but lots of people seem to like and enjoy it so who am I to judge 😅

BTW you have as they say in Wales a lush body 👌

Tink ✨️

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By *sStephenPickleMan 2 weeks ago

Ends


"It's called being 'butters' . . . Nice body, but her face 🤷🏾‍♂️

Don't know the male equivalent, if there is one. "

men can be butterz. If someone is butterz, they’re butterz.

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By *sStephenPickleMan 2 weeks ago

Ends


"I'm more self conscious of my body than face. I wish I had curves but it is what it is "

Face card 😍

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By *nefc69Man 2 weeks ago

preston

You have a fabulous body! As your knickers say! I wish 😜

Also very pretty 😍

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By *anderer88Woman 2 weeks ago

essex


"I'm more self conscious of my body than face. I wish I had curves but it is what it is "

I relate to this but I've been working on it. I Can't be everyone's type... not even my own 😉🤣

And for what its worth i think you're stunning

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By *oeBeansMan 2 weeks ago

Derby


"I'm more self conscious of my body than face. I wish I had curves but it is what it is

I relate to this but I've been working on it. I Can't be everyone's type... not even my own 😉🤣

And for what its worth i think you're stunning "

But more importantly... You are my type. Hey, how's it going? 😉😆

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By *eonknifeWoman 2 weeks ago

skegness


"I'm more self conscious of my body than face. I wish I had curves but it is what it is "

nahh you're so pretty and have a great figure

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By *uriousscouserWoman 2 weeks ago

Wirral

I get around this issue by having ugly body photos too.

What can I say, I'm a problem solver

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By *reachersdaughterWoman 2 weeks ago

Someplace

thank you everyone, I think we all feel self conscious in some way part of being human

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By *reachersdaughterWoman 2 weeks ago

Someplace


"It's called being 'butters' . . . Nice body, but her face 🤷🏾‍♂️

Don't know the male equivalent, if there is one. men can be butterz. If someone is butterz, they’re butterz. "

🤣🤣🤣🤣

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By *onjoliveMan 2 weeks ago

bournemouth


"It's called being 'butters' . . . Nice body, but her face 🤷🏾‍♂️

Don't know the male equivalent, if there is one. men can be butterz. If someone is butterz, they’re butterz.

🤣🤣🤣🤣"

Could go with prawn….as the body is the best bit….

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By *sStephenPickleMan 2 weeks ago

Ends


"I get around this issue by having ugly body photos too.

What can I say, I'm a problem solver "

You smart.

That’s a major key.

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By *eneralKenobiMan 2 weeks ago

North Angus

I’ll seem like an egotistical prick but as I’ve gotten older I think I’ve gotten better looking, my body is getting there bit by bit with the Weekly PT

I’m content at this stage in life

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By *iGuyForCouplesMan 2 weeks ago

Staines


"

Photos on the profile are often fabbed, complimented and even voted for on for hot pics or forum competitions. (Best tits etc). But when you send a face pic you often get told - ‘sorry, you are not my type!’

So when you feel 10/10 for pics but 3/10 for your face, what can you do? 🤷‍♂️😅

Can anyone else relate to this? "

9/10 I don't even get the "sorry not my type" message, after sending my facepic. I Just get blocked 💔

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By *hechonkyduoCouple 2 weeks ago

Café Leblanc, Stourbridge

We just get left on read.

I would say of the last 10 people we sent face pics to, 7 of then left us on read.

We also don't care that much about it.

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By *vonne5exMan 2 weeks ago

Doncaster


"

Photos on the profile are often fabbed, complimented and even voted for on for hot pics or forum competitions. (Best tits etc). But when you send a face pic you often get told - ‘sorry, you are not my type!’

So when you feel 10/10 for pics but 3/10 for your face, what can you do? 🤷‍♂️😅

Can anyone else relate to this? "

I personally believe I take a terrible photo, I however have always had great success when out on the pull.

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By *ruella DeThrillWoman 2 weeks ago

Essex

My body is so so so much better than my face

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By *hunky GentMan 2 weeks ago

Stamford


"My body is so so so much better than my face

"

May I see?

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By *rad670Man 2 weeks ago

South Lakes


"

Photos on the profile are often fabbed, complimented and even voted for on for hot pics or forum competitions. (Best tits etc). But when you send a face pic you often get told - ‘sorry, you are not my type!’

So when you feel 10/10 for pics but 3/10 for your face, what can you do? 🤷‍♂️😅

Can anyone else relate to this? "

Yes I can totally relate to this, without trying to sound conceited I reckon if my age wasn't on my profile people would presume I'm a few years younger as I do my best to stay healthy and groomed, however due to a lifetime of outdoor pastimes and sports my face is let's say weather worn and I have greay hair and it is unfortunately a stopping point for many good chats. Saying that I prefer to get a nice reply no than just be ghosted which happens most of the time. On the other hand more mature minded people have paid nice compliments and become very good friends.

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By *adyBugsWoman 2 weeks ago

cognito

My photos are total catfish because every time I send my face the conversation stops 😭

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By *sStephenPickleMan 2 weeks ago

Ends

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By *adyBugsWoman 2 weeks ago

cognito


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By *es not the MessiahMan 2 weeks ago

3rd rock from the sun

Only a select few have seen my face

Can't see that changing

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By *ulieScrumptiousWoman 2 weeks ago

North West

I like my face. I’ve been lucky that most of those I’ve cared to show it to have also liked it.

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By *issilia AmoriWoman 2 weeks ago

St Albans/ North Welsh Borders


"It's called being 'butters' . . . Nice body, but her face 🤷🏾‍♂️

Don't know the male equivalent, if there is one. "

BOBFOC

Body of Baywatch Face of Crimewatch

Could be used for both sexes I guess

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By *olyGlamorousWoman 2 weeks ago

Altrincham


"

Photos on the profile are often fabbed, complimented and even voted for on for hot pics or forum competitions. (Best tits etc). But when you send a face pic you often get told - ‘sorry, you are not my type!’

So when you feel 10/10 for pics but 3/10 for your face, what can you do? 🤷‍♂️😅

Can anyone else relate to this? "

Send me a face OP and I'll let you know

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By *ornyOlder1000Man 2 weeks ago

Bury

Nope, never fits.

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By *ou only live onceMan 2 weeks ago

London

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By *elaninMaverickWoman 2 weeks ago

near Putney Heath


"

Photos on the profile are often fabbed, complimented and even voted for on for hot pics or forum competitions. (Best tits etc). But when you send a face pic you often get told - ‘sorry, you are not my type!’

So when you feel 10/10 for pics but 3/10 for your face, what can you do? 🤷‍♂️😅

Can anyone else relate to this? "

I'm going to get old and wrinkly and saggy on my body so I might as well hide that and show my face. lol!

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By *ou only live onceMan 2 weeks ago

London

On the whole, I like my face. Not always, but mostly. I've seen better, and seen worse (by my own standards, of course!).

Not universally, obvs, but doesn't seem to send people running for the hills. I let my personality do that! 🤣

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By *r Looking 69Man 2 weeks ago

north

I think I look better in person than I do in pics. So I'm always happy after sending a face pic that I tend to get the odd compliment haha

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By *eroLondonMan 2 weeks ago

Covent Garden

It used to fit.

It no longer fits — especially with those I've already met.

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By *ornyAndy17Man 2 weeks ago

central scotland

Been told I have a good face pic

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By *ecretxLoverWoman 2 weeks ago

Glasgow


"It's called being 'butters' . . . Nice body, but her face 🤷🏾‍♂️

Don't know the male equivalent, if there is one.

BOBFOC

Body of Baywatch Face of Crimewatch

Could be used for both sexes I guess"

Or as I was told…a two bag f*ck, just incase one bag falls off

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By *arierWoman 2 weeks ago

birmingham

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By *arierWoman 2 weeks ago

birmingham


"I think my face is actually better than my chunky body 🤣🤣. Not a chance my face is going public though "

Same 😂😩

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By *avinaTVTV/TS 2 weeks ago

Transsexual Transylvania

My face is on my profile. They already know what they're getting when they message me. 😁

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By *elaninMaverickWoman 2 weeks ago

near Putney Heath


"My face is on my profile. They already know what they're getting when they message me. 😁"

same. I need to add another body photo.

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By *hatgingerguyMan 2 weeks ago

Manchester

It happens. I've had rejections from my face pics even though they were into my bod pics.

That's fine, and i move on with life.

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By *ildcatttWoman 2 weeks ago

Manchester

There's nothing to be done lol, my face is ok but always think I look better in the mirror than photos, not sure which is lying to me😅

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By *allipygousMan 2 weeks ago

Leicester


"It's called being 'butters' . . . Nice body, but her face 🤷🏾‍♂️

Don't know the male equivalent, if there is one. men can be butterz.

If someone is butterz, they’re butterz.

🤣🤣🤣🤣"

Yeah but the phrase 'butterz' comes from "but her face", it doesn't work with "but his face", does it?

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By *allipygousMan 2 weeks ago

Leicester


"It's called being 'butters' . . . Nice body, but her face 🤷🏾‍♂️

Don't know the male equivalent, if there is one.

BOBFOC

Body of Baywatch Face of Crimewatch

Could be used for both sexes I guess"

👍🏾

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By *heFastandtheCuriousCouple 2 weeks ago

Midlothian


"Women have a type, men don't. Women also have a favourite actor, sportsman or musician. Another hurdle is the gents face has to be over 95% similar to this favourite. Good luck gents!"

I disagree, I don't have a type but I do have a favourite sportsman, actor and musician none of them have anything in common. He has a type and weirdly I'm nothing like his type!

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By *effdelightMan 2 weeks ago

Grimsby


"

Photos on the profile are often fabbed, complimented and even voted for on for hot pics or forum competitions. (Best tits etc). But when you send a face pic you often get told - ‘sorry, you are not my type!’

Yeah it's depressing lol

So when you feel 10/10 for pics but 3/10 for your face, what can you do? 🤷‍♂️😅

Can anyone else relate to this? "

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By *aron Van Winkle OP   Man 2 weeks ago

In fair Verona.


"It's called being 'butters' . . . Nice body, but her face 🤷🏾‍♂️

Don't know the male equivalent, if there is one. men can be butterz.

If someone is butterz, they’re butterz.

🤣🤣🤣🤣

Yeah but the phrase 'butterz' comes from "but her face", it doesn't work with "but his face",

does it?"

Butty face? - But He Face? Buttie face… nope, you gotta try to hard to make it fit. I give up. It doesn’t work. 🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️😅

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By *sStephenPickleMan 2 weeks ago

Ends


"It's called being 'butters' . . . Nice body, but her face 🤷🏾‍♂️

Don't know the male equivalent, if there is one. men can be butterz.

If someone is butterz, they’re butterz.

🤣🤣🤣🤣

Yeah but the phrase 'butterz' comes from "but her face", it doesn't work with "but his face", does it?"

Well growing up the term was used by everyone about everyone

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