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By *lackfunder OP   Man 46 weeks ago

Trafford

So just a question how many of you have been affected and how many have age verified on there respected pron outlet's ?

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By *ittlebirdWoman 46 weeks ago

The Big Smoke

Everyone is affected OP. It’s the law 🤷‍♂️

Ps. It’s porn by the way

PPS. It’s easy to follow and still enjoy the porn you want as an adult 💡

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By (user no longer on site) 46 weeks ago

It’s long overdue and the age verification takes seconds.

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By (user no longer on site) 46 weeks ago

You can say porn OP this isnt tiktok.

It affected me and Mrs for about the 8 seconds the verification took.

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By *immers123Woman 46 weeks ago

South Molton

People on x aren't happy. There's no verification on there. It's just a complete blockage

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By *iCurious4WomenMan 46 weeks ago

Inverclyde


"So just a question how many of you have been affected and how many have age verified on there respected pron outlet's ?"

There are privacy implications with the law. Consider what would happen if sensitive information gets leaked. Big Brother Watch, which I support, has spoken about this. Those with such concerns are using VPNs. I understand why some people support age verification laws, but another thing to remember is that it’s open to abuse by governments. Slippery slope comes to mind.

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By *iCurious4WomenMan 46 weeks ago

Inverclyde


"So just a question how many of you have been affected and how many have age verified on there respected pron outlet's ?

There are privacy implications with the law. Consider what would happen if sensitive information gets leaked. Big Brother Watch, which I support, has spoken about this. Those with such concerns are using VPNs. I understand why some people support age verification laws, but another thing to remember is that it’s open to abuse by governments. Slippery slope comes to mind."

I don’t think the governments wants to just limit it to adult websites. Look at what is happening in other countries. One must ask why governments worldwide are enacting almost identical legislation at the same time. You don’t have to be a conspiracy theorists to notice that something isn’t right. Aren’t our governments supposed to all be independent of one another? No one even mentions where all of this age verification for adult content is coming from.

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By (user no longer on site) 46 weeks ago

The verification takes seconds like it does with this site I think it’s a good thing! However it is easy to get past with the use of a VPN all you need to do is take a minute to download a vpn and it’s like nothing happened

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By *annyDanielleMan 46 weeks ago

Street, Somerset

Do you have to do it every time you log in?

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By *iCurious4WomenMan 46 weeks ago

Inverclyde

Data leaks are a real concern, especially for those in certain occupations. Such leaks are becoming increasingly common. A few months ago, thousands of people’s Digital ID data from Singapore was being sold on the dark web. That’s just one incident of many.As far as I am aware, there are currently no truly anonymous ways to prove that you are an adult online.

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By (user no longer on site) 46 weeks ago


"Do you have to do it every time you log in?"

So far no

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By *iCurious4WomenMan 46 weeks ago

Inverclyde


"Do you have to do it every time you log in?"

I think it depends on what verification you’re using,

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By *annyDanielleMan 46 weeks ago

Street, Somerset


"Do you have to do it every time you log in?

So far no "

But yes for each individual site?

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By *iCurious4WomenMan 46 weeks ago

Inverclyde


"Do you have to do it every time you log in?

So far no

But yes for each individual site?"

Correct, unless you are using a VPN.

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By (user no longer on site) 46 weeks ago


"Do you have to do it every time you log in?

So far no

But yes for each individual site?"

Yeah for each individual site you’ll have to do verify but once you’ve done it for that site you’ll don’t have to do it again

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By (user no longer on site) 46 weeks ago

I don’t know why everyone is getting in a tither. It’s not like you have to hand over your Passport deets or anything.

I assume paying for site supporter by card is ID enough? So that’s straight forward enough.

Maybe it’s the secretly attached that are worrying? In case the partner gets wind? 🤔

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By *ools and the brainCouple 46 weeks ago

couple, us we him her.

There's about six thread's running on this already.

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By (user no longer on site) 46 weeks ago

Wait what's happened?

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By (user no longer on site) 46 weeks ago


"I don’t know why everyone is getting in a tither. It’s not like you have to hand over your Passport deets or anything.

I assume paying for site supporter by card is ID enough? So that’s straight forward enough.

Maybe it’s the secretly attached that are worrying? In case the partner gets wind? 🤔"

That and from what I can gather many are worried about a data breach! I think it’s a good thing.

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By *iCurious4WomenMan 46 weeks ago

Inverclyde


"I don’t know why everyone is getting in a tither. It’s not like you have to hand over your Passport deets or anything.

I assume paying for site supporter by card is ID enough? So that’s straight forward enough.

Maybe it’s the secretly attached that are worrying? In case the partner gets wind? 🤔"

Have you not looked at the privacy implications? Might I suggest you check out the Big Brother Watch website for more info? I am not secretly attracted. Just someone who believes in the right to online privacy.

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By *ools and the brainCouple 46 weeks ago

couple, us we him her.


"Wait what's happened?"

People are getting really upset because of a system designed to keep kids safe, clearly their needs for porn are more important than keeping kids safe.

And it didn't take long for the conspiracy theorists to start their mind control nonsense.

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By *ealitybitesMan 46 weeks ago

Belfast

I haven't been affected because I don't watch porn.

On fab I would have closed my account before having to give personal details but I didn't have to do any of that at all and my profile has been automatically verified.

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By (user no longer on site) 46 weeks ago


"Wait what's happened?

People are getting really upset because of a system designed to keep kids safe, clearly their needs for porn are more important than keeping kids safe.

And it didn't take long for the conspiracy theorists to start their mind control nonsense.

"

😂😂

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By *aFemmeCoquetteWoman 46 weeks ago

Somewhere in the middle not the.....


"I don’t know why everyone is getting in a tither. It’s not like you have to hand over your Passport deets or anything.

I assume paying for site supporter by card is ID enough? So that’s straight forward enough.

Maybe it’s the secretly attached that are worrying? In case the partner gets wind? 🤔

That and from what I can gather many are worried about a data breach! I think it’s a good thing."

What data, I had to do a quick scan of my face on one to prove im an old fuck and done. They're not asking for the kitchen sink and your inside leg measurement

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By *iCurious4WomenMan 46 weeks ago

Inverclyde


"Wait what's happened?

People are getting really upset because of a system designed to keep kids safe, clearly their needs for porn are more important than keeping kids safe.

And it didn't take long for the conspiracy theorists to start their mind control nonsense.

"

Oh yes. The government really cares about protecting kids (sarcasm). I suppose you believe everything the man on the television tells you?

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By (user no longer on site) 46 weeks ago


"I don’t know why everyone is getting in a tither. It’s not like you have to hand over your Passport deets or anything.

I assume paying for site supporter by card is ID enough? So that’s straight forward enough.

Maybe it’s the secretly attached that are worrying? In case the partner gets wind? 🤔

That and from what I can gather many are worried about a data breach! I think it’s a good thing.

What data, I had to do a quick scan of my face on one to prove im an old fuck and done. They're not asking for the kitchen sink and your inside leg measurement "

Agreed!

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By *iCurious4WomenMan 46 weeks ago

Inverclyde

Oh dear God. It looks like much work needs to be done on educating adults on privacy implications.

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By *iCurious4WomenMan 46 weeks ago

Inverclyde


"Wait what's happened?

People are getting really upset because of a system designed to keep kids safe, clearly their needs for porn are more important than keeping kids safe.

And it didn't take long for the conspiracy theorists to start their mind control nonsense.

Oh yes. The government really cares about protecting kids (sarcasm). I suppose you believe everything the man on the television tells you?

"

Remind me, how many politicians have abused children and how many coverups have there been? I’ve lost count.

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By *ools and the brainCouple 46 weeks ago

couple, us we him her.

I hope the mods will start shutting down these thread's as they are just repeating the same thing.

I'm just going to ignore them now as it's not worth the effort.

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By (user no longer on site) 46 weeks ago


"I hope the mods will start shutting down these thread's as they are just repeating the same thing.

I'm just going to ignore them now as it's not worth the effort."

I think that’s the best thing to do! People will get bored of posting the same things soon

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By *aFemmeCoquetteWoman 46 weeks ago

Somewhere in the middle not the.....


"Oh dear God. It looks like much work needs to be done on educating adults on privacy implications. "

If you own a smartphone you have no real privacy.... i googled whsmiths to find the nearest one where I was, every social media app I opened had ads for them then.....ooh big brother is watching!

You watch porn so what, unless you're doing illegal fucked up shit you have no reason to be bothered about it all

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By *pthillMan 46 weeks ago

st shithole

So WTF do you have to do to get verification

Im a tech dunce

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By *iCurious4WomenMan 46 weeks ago

Inverclyde


"Wait what's happened?

People are getting really upset because of a system designed to keep kids safe, clearly their needs for porn are more important than keeping kids safe.

And it didn't take long for the conspiracy theorists to start their mind control nonsense.

Oh yes. The government really cares about protecting kids (sarcasm). I suppose you believe everything the man on the television tells you?

Remind me, how many politicians have abused children and how many coverups have there been? I’ve lost count. "

I was r*ped as a child and have fought all of my adult life to protect children, volunteering thousands of hours of my time. Porn is clearly not as important to me as that.

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By (user no longer on site) 46 weeks ago


"Oh dear God. It looks like much work needs to be done on educating adults on privacy implications.

If you own a smartphone you have no real privacy.... i googled whsmiths to find the nearest one where I was, every social media app I opened had ads for them then.....ooh big brother is watching!

You watch porn so what, unless you're doing illegal fucked up shit you have no reason to be bothered about it all"

Couldn’t agree more ^^^^^^

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By *iCurious4WomenMan 46 weeks ago

Inverclyde


"Oh dear God. It looks like much work needs to be done on educating adults on privacy implications.

If you own a smartphone you have no real privacy.... i googled whsmiths to find the nearest one where I was, every social media app I opened had ads for them then.....ooh big brother is watching!

You watch porn so what, unless you're doing illegal fucked up shit you have no reason to be bothered about it all"

I have a degoogled phone. There’s no way I would go back to a regular smart phone.

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By (user no longer on site) 46 weeks ago


"I don’t know why everyone is getting in a tither. It’s not like you have to hand over your Passport deets or anything.

I assume paying for site supporter by card is ID enough? So that’s straight forward enough.

Maybe it’s the secretly attached that are worrying? In case the partner gets wind? 🤔

Have you not looked at the privacy implications? Might I suggest you check out the Big Brother Watch website for more info? I am not secretly attracted. Just someone who believes in the right to online privacy. "

No, because like most people, I use loads of online services — my details are already out there. If privacy’s really the concern, then I assume folk are also avoiding Amazon, eBay, and their NHS login, yeah?

Unless someone’s browsing adult content on a burner phone from a cave with a VPN, this feels less like a privacy crusade and more like people are just worried their browser history might come back to bite them on their arse!

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By *aFemmeCoquetteWoman 46 weeks ago

Somewhere in the middle not the.....


"Oh dear God. It looks like much work needs to be done on educating adults on privacy implications.

If you own a smartphone you have no real privacy.... i googled whsmiths to find the nearest one where I was, every social media app I opened had ads for them then.....ooh big brother is watching!

You watch porn so what, unless you're doing illegal fucked up shit you have no reason to be bothered about it all

I have a degoogled phone. There’s no way I would go back to a regular smart phone. "

You do know its not just Google its any Internet browser/platform

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By (user no longer on site) 46 weeks ago

There’s so many ways they can get your information easily! Remember the NHS Covid passport? You had to give information and ID and all sorts for that

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By *aFemmeCoquetteWoman 46 weeks ago

Somewhere in the middle not the.....

Does anyone read alllll the small print when signing things? Do you reqs all the t&cs when accessing websites etc

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By *iCurious4WomenMan 46 weeks ago

Inverclyde


"I hope the mods will start shutting down these thread's as they are just repeating the same thing.

I'm just going to ignore them now as it's not worth the effort."

Why stop discussion? Respectfully, you’ve only given your opinion and have not commented on the legitimate and factual concerns made. Perhaps tech isn’t your strong point.

Anyway, have a nice day

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By (user no longer on site) 46 weeks ago


"Does anyone read alllll the small print when signing things? Do you reqs all the t&cs when accessing websites etc "

They probably have so data of mine it’s insane 😅😂

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By *iCurious4WomenMan 46 weeks ago

Inverclyde


"There’s so many ways they can get your information easily! Remember the NHS Covid passport? You had to give information and ID and all sorts for that "

Why make it even easier? Stripping away every single aspect of privacy isn’t a good thing. Oh, I didn’t get a Covid passport.

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By *iCurious4WomenMan 46 weeks ago

Inverclyde


"Oh dear God. It looks like much work needs to be done on educating adults on privacy implications.

If you own a smartphone you have no real privacy.... i googled whsmiths to find the nearest one where I was, every social media app I opened had ads for them then.....ooh big brother is watching!

You watch porn so what, unless you're doing illegal fucked up shit you have no reason to be bothered about it all

I have a degoogled phone. There’s no way I would go back to a regular smart phone.

You do know its not just Google its any Internet browser/platform "

Yes. I don’t use Google anyway. It harvests too much data. Like everything, there are ways round it.

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By (user no longer on site) 46 weeks ago


"There’s so many ways they can get your information easily! Remember the NHS Covid passport? You had to give information and ID and all sorts for that

Why make it even easier? Stripping away every single aspect of privacy isn’t a good thing. Oh, I didn’t get a Covid passport. "

As long as you’re not doing anything illegal then you’ll be alright! It’s to protect children from viewing porn! And it’s a good thing porn teaches kids especially boys the wrong side of sex

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By (user no longer on site) 46 weeks ago


"People on x aren't happy. There's no verification on there. It's just a complete blockage"

Is anyone on X happy these days?

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By *iCurious4WomenMan 46 weeks ago

Inverclyde


"There’s so many ways they can get your information easily! Remember the NHS Covid passport? You had to give information and ID and all sorts for that

Why make it even easier? Stripping away every single aspect of privacy isn’t a good thing. Oh, I didn’t get a Covid passport.

As long as you’re not doing anything illegal then you’ll be alright! It’s to protect children from viewing porn! And it’s a good thing porn teaches kids especially boys the wrong side of sex "

Of course I don’t watch anything illegal. How do you know it’s to protect children and not to increase surveillance? It’s interesting that anything relating to “protecting children” or “terrorism” involves increasing surveillance powers for the state. Would you like us to end up like China?

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By *iCurious4WomenMan 46 weeks ago

Inverclyde


"There’s so many ways they can get your information easily! Remember the NHS Covid passport? You had to give information and ID and all sorts for that

Why make it even easier? Stripping away every single aspect of privacy isn’t a good thing. Oh, I didn’t get a Covid passport.

As long as you’re not doing anything illegal then you’ll be alright! It’s to protect children from viewing porn! And it’s a good thing porn teaches kids especially boys the wrong side of sex

Of course I don’t watch anything illegal. How do you know it’s to protect children and not to increase surveillance? It’s interesting that anything relating to “protecting children” or “terrorism” involves increasing surveillance powers for the state. Would you like us to end up like China? "

I thought there would be more libertarians on a website like this. You learn something new every day.

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By *iCurious4WomenMan 46 weeks ago

Inverclyde


"People on x aren't happy. There's no verification on there. It's just a complete blockage

Is anyone on X happy these days?"

Nope, lol. I took a break from there. It is too toxic at times.

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By *parkle1974Woman 46 weeks ago

Leeds

Personally I don't get what the issue is

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By *iCurious4WomenMan 46 weeks ago

Inverclyde


"There’s so many ways they can get your information easily! Remember the NHS Covid passport? You had to give information and ID and all sorts for that

Why make it even easier? Stripping away every single aspect of privacy isn’t a good thing. Oh, I didn’t get a Covid passport.

As long as you’re not doing anything illegal then you’ll be alright! It’s to protect children from viewing porn! And it’s a good thing porn teaches kids especially boys the wrong side of sex "

I can agree with you on the importance of teaching kids what is acceptable and what isn’t. We just disagree on how it is done. Too many boys are watching stuff that is f*cked up. Education is key.

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By *vanutdMan 46 weeks ago

egham

Even looking at the replies just on this thread it’s clear people don’t understand the implications of what is happening.

This isn’t just about porn ! All sorts of posts have been taken down including those about the Epping immigrant hotel. This is the beginning of the end of free speech.

What you are doing by verifying is giving yourself a digital ID that can be tracked by the government and other organisations.

When you had to age verify in the past to look at porn etc it was basically just confirming you were over 18 as it proved you had a credit card , this is totally different !

Beware in the future that your sex life or online viewing content doesn’t come back to haunt you in the way of employment or CRB/DBS type checks. If Greg Wallace is cancelled for a bit of slap & tickle then what do you think your local council or health authority will do if you applied for a position with them especially if it involves child welfare etc !

This is another real threat on our freedom but so many people take it so lightly & that’s how governments get away with it 🤷‍♂️

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By *iCurious4WomenMan 46 weeks ago

Inverclyde


"Even looking at the replies just on this thread it’s clear people don’t understand the implications of what is happening.

This isn’t just about porn ! All sorts of posts have been taken down including those about the Epping immigrant hotel. This is the beginning of the end of free speech.

What you are doing by verifying is giving yourself a digital ID that can be tracked by the government and other organisations.

When you had to age verify in the past to look at porn etc it was basically just confirming you were over 18 as it proved you had a credit card , this is totally different !

Beware in the future that your sex life or online viewing content doesn’t come back to haunt you in the way of employment or CRB/DBS type checks. If Greg Wallace is cancelled for a bit of slap & tickle then what do you think your local council or health authority will do if you applied for a position with them especially if it involves child welfare etc !

This is another real threat on our freedom but so many people take it so lightly & that’s how governments get away with it 🤷‍♂️

"

Finally, someone who gets it. Thank you.

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By *hePerkyPumpkinTV/TS 46 weeks ago

Bristol


"Even looking at the replies just on this thread it’s clear people don’t understand the implications of what is happening.

This isn’t just about porn ! All sorts of posts have been taken down including those about the Epping immigrant hotel. This is the beginning of the end of free speech.

What you are doing by verifying is giving yourself a digital ID that can be tracked by the government and other organisations.

When you had to age verify in the past to look at porn etc it was basically just confirming you were over 18 as it proved you had a credit card , this is totally different !

Beware in the future that your sex life or online viewing content doesn’t come back to haunt you in the way of employment or CRB/DBS type checks. If Greg Wallace is cancelled for a bit of slap & tickle then what do you think your local council or health authority will do if you applied for a position with them especially if it involves child welfare etc !

This is another real threat on our freedom but so many people take it so lightly & that’s how governments get away with it 🤷‍♂️

"

Don't most of us already have a digital ID?...

It's not like up until this point I've never had to put in my details for anything online

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By (user no longer on site) 46 weeks ago


"Even looking at the replies just on this thread it’s clear people don’t understand the implications of what is happening.

This isn’t just about porn ! All sorts of posts have been taken down including those about the Epping immigrant hotel. This is the beginning of the end of free speech.

What you are doing by verifying is giving yourself a digital ID that can be tracked by the government and other organisations.

When you had to age verify in the past to look at porn etc it was basically just confirming you were over 18 as it proved you had a credit card , this is totally different !

Beware in the future that your sex life or online viewing content doesn’t come back to haunt you in the way of employment or CRB/DBS type checks. If Greg Wallace is cancelled for a bit of slap & tickle then what do you think your local council or health authority will do if you applied for a position with them especially if it involves child welfare etc !

This is another real threat on our freedom but so many people take it so lightly & that’s how governments get away with it 🤷‍♂️

"

Come on, let’s not pretend age verification for porn is the same thing as the state kicking down your door for watching a Lovehoney tutorial. Most of us already use online services that require ID like the GP apps, banking apps, job portals etc., and no one’s suggesting those are the end of free speech.

If someone’s online viewing habits could damage their employment prospects, the issue probably isn’t just the verification process, it’s what they’re viewing and in what context.

Also, unless Greg Wallace has suddenly become the face of the revolution (which I wouldn’t be suprised about now he’s unemployable with the BBC), I’m not sure invoking him helps the cause!

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By *iCurious4WomenMan 46 weeks ago

Inverclyde


"Even looking at the replies just on this thread it’s clear people don’t understand the implications of what is happening.

This isn’t just about porn ! All sorts of posts have been taken down including those about the Epping immigrant hotel. This is the beginning of the end of free speech.

What you are doing by verifying is giving yourself a digital ID that can be tracked by the government and other organisations.

When you had to age verify in the past to look at porn etc it was basically just confirming you were over 18 as it proved you had a credit card , this is totally different !

Beware in the future that your sex life or online viewing content doesn’t come back to haunt you in the way of employment or CRB/DBS type checks. If Greg Wallace is cancelled for a bit of slap & tickle then what do you think your local council or health authority will do if you applied for a position with them especially if it involves child welfare etc !

This is another real threat on our freedom but so many people take it so lightly & that’s how governments get away with it 🤷‍♂️

Don't most of us already have a digital ID?...

It's not like up until this point I've never had to put in my details for anything online"

Most of us don’t have everything stored on a central database, so easily accessed by the Government and other authorities, opened to abuse and overreach. If you want to know how a fully implemented Digital ID system works, speak to someone in China. We fought long and hard in this country to abolish ID cards, which people were required to have. Never did I think things would become so regressive.

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By *iCurious4WomenMan 46 weeks ago

Inverclyde


"Even looking at the replies just on this thread it’s clear people don’t understand the implications of what is happening.

This isn’t just about porn ! All sorts of posts have been taken down including those about the Epping immigrant hotel. This is the beginning of the end of free speech.

What you are doing by verifying is giving yourself a digital ID that can be tracked by the government and other organisations.

When you had to age verify in the past to look at porn etc it was basically just confirming you were over 18 as it proved you had a credit card , this is totally different !

Beware in the future that your sex life or online viewing content doesn’t come back to haunt you in the way of employment or CRB/DBS type checks. If Greg Wallace is cancelled for a bit of slap & tickle then what do you think your local council or health authority will do if you applied for a position with them especially if it involves child welfare etc !

This is another real threat on our freedom but so many people take it so lightly & that’s how governments get away with it 🤷‍♂️

Come on, let’s not pretend age verification for porn is the same thing as the state kicking down your door for watching a Lovehoney tutorial. Most of us already use online services that require ID like the GP apps, banking apps, job portals etc., and no one’s suggesting those are the end of free speech.

If someone’s online viewing habits could damage their employment prospects, the issue probably isn’t just the verification process, it’s what they’re viewing and in what context.

Also, unless Greg Wallace has suddenly become the face of the revolution (which I wouldn’t be suprised about now he’s unemployable with the BBC), I’m

not sure invoking him helps the cause!"

Do you happen to work for the Government? If not, it must be good to always be on the right side of them. Consider the implications for activists and dissidents.

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By *hePerkyPumpkinTV/TS 46 weeks ago

Bristol


"Even looking at the replies just on this thread it’s clear people don’t understand the implications of what is happening.

This isn’t just about porn ! All sorts of posts have been taken down including those about the Epping immigrant hotel. This is the beginning of the end of free speech.

What you are doing by verifying is giving yourself a digital ID that can be tracked by the government and other organisations.

When you had to age verify in the past to look at porn etc it was basically just confirming you were over 18 as it proved you had a credit card , this is totally different !

Beware in the future that your sex life or online viewing content doesn’t come back to haunt you in the way of employment or CRB/DBS type checks. If Greg Wallace is cancelled for a bit of slap & tickle then what do you think your local council or health authority will do if you applied for a position with them especially if it involves child welfare etc !

This is another real threat on our freedom but so many people take it so lightly & that’s how governments get away with it 🤷‍♂️

Don't most of us already have a digital ID?...

It's not like up until this point I've never had to put in my details for anything online

Most of us don’t have everything stored on a central database, so easily accessed by the Government and other authorities, opened to abuse and overreach. If you want to know how a fully implemented Digital ID system works, speak to someone in China. We fought long and hard in this country to abolish ID cards, which people were required to have. Never did I think things would become so regressive. "

But PornHub will be the central database easily accessed by the government and other authorities?

Not something like .GOV

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By *b03Man 46 weeks ago

Exeter

Its telling that fab, a pretty niche site with limited resources now has numerous easy ways to verify age (most of which take seconds and are almost foolproof)

Yet you have x with unlimited resources unable to do the same. And the pushback has been largest from them. Makes you think

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By *ealitybitesMan 46 weeks ago

Belfast

I'm always curious when people start shouting about invasion of privacy and big brother government agencies.

There was lots of whining about having photos on driving licences 10 or 15 years ago and yet here in Northern Ireland we've had those for at least 4 generations. I still have my dad's licence from the early 70s with his photo on it.

Every flight from the island of Ireland North and South into the UK went through a separate gate to every other flight from around the world and photos were taken at the airport of all Irish travellers going back to the 90s if not before. I don't remember too many people outside of Ireland whinging and moaning about invasion of privacy or about governments having everyone's personal details on file.

For that reason when the conspiracy theorists appear on fab and social media my immediate reaction is "suck it up and give your head a wobble".

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By *iCurious4WomenMan 46 weeks ago

Inverclyde


"Even looking at the replies just on this thread it’s clear people don’t understand the implications of what is happening.

This isn’t just about porn ! All sorts of posts have been taken down including those about the Epping immigrant hotel. This is the beginning of the end of free speech.

What you are doing by verifying is giving yourself a digital ID that can be tracked by the government and other organisations.

When you had to age verify in the past to look at porn etc it was basically just confirming you were over 18 as it proved you had a credit card , this is totally different !

Beware in the future that your sex life or online viewing content doesn’t come back to haunt you in the way of employment or CRB/DBS type checks. If Greg Wallace is cancelled for a bit of slap & tickle then what do you think your local council or health authority will do if you applied for a position with them especially if it involves child welfare etc !

This is another real threat on our freedom but so many people take it so lightly & that’s how governments get away with it 🤷‍♂️

Come on, let’s not pretend age verification for porn is the same thing as the state kicking down your door for watching a Lovehoney tutorial. Most of us already use online services that require ID like the GP apps, banking apps, job portals etc., and no one’s suggesting those are the end of free speech.

If someone’s online viewing habits could damage their employment prospects, the issue probably isn’t just the verification process, it’s what they’re viewing and in what context.

Also, unless Greg Wallace has suddenly become the face of the revolution (which I wouldn’t be suprised about now he’s unemployable with the BBC), I’m

not sure invoking him helps the cause!

Do you happen to work for the Government? If not, it must be good to always be on the right side of them. Consider the implications for activists and dissidents. "

Freedom of speech is under threat. I live in Scotland, and we have some of the most restrictions on it in Europe. A recent law made it even worse.

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By *iCurious4WomenMan 46 weeks ago

Inverclyde


"I'm always curious when people start shouting about invasion of privacy and big brother government agencies.

There was lots of whining about having photos on driving licences 10 or 15 years ago and yet here in Northern Ireland we've had those for at least 4 generations. I still have my dad's licence from the early 70s with his photo on it.

Every flight from the island of Ireland North and South into the UK went through a separate gate to every other flight from around the world and photos were taken at the airport of all Irish travellers going back to the 90s if not before. I don't remember too many people outside of Ireland whinging and moaning about invasion of privacy or about governments having everyone's personal details on file.

For that reason when the conspiracy theorists appear on fab and social media my immediate reaction is "suck it up and give your head a wobble"."

Non sequitur. It’s so easily to smear others as “conspiracy theorists” instead of addressing the points made. Congrats.

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By *iCurious4WomenMan 46 weeks ago

Inverclyde


"Even looking at the replies just on this thread it’s clear people don’t understand the implications of what is happening.

This isn’t just about porn ! All sorts of posts have been taken down including those about the Epping immigrant hotel. This is the beginning of the end of free speech.

What you are doing by verifying is giving yourself a digital ID that can be tracked by the government and other organisations.

When you had to age verify in the past to look at porn etc it was basically just confirming you were over 18 as it proved you had a credit card , this is totally different !

Beware in the future that your sex life or online viewing content doesn’t come back to haunt you in the way of employment or CRB/DBS type checks. If Greg Wallace is cancelled for a bit of slap & tickle then what do you think your local council or health authority will do if you applied for a position with them especially if it involves child welfare etc !

This is another real threat on our freedom but so many people take it so lightly & that’s how governments get away with it 🤷‍♂️

Don't most of us already have a digital ID?...

It's not like up until this point I've never had to put in my details for anything online

Most of us don’t have everything stored on a central database, so easily accessed by the Government and other authorities, opened to abuse and overreach. If you want to know how a fully implemented Digital ID system works, speak to someone in China. We fought long and hard in this country to abolish ID cards, which people were required to have. Never did I think things would become so regressive.

But PornHub will be the central database easily accessed by the government and other authorities?

Not something like .GOV"

It will, if Digital ID is fully implemented. The current Labour Government has announced such plans.

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By *ealitybitesMan 46 weeks ago

Belfast


"I'm always curious when people start shouting about invasion of privacy and big brother government agencies.

There was lots of whining about having photos on driving licences 10 or 15 years ago and yet here in Northern Ireland we've had those for at least 4 generations. I still have my dad's licence from the early 70s with his photo on it.

Every flight from the island of Ireland North and South into the UK went through a separate gate to every other flight from around the world and photos were taken at the airport of all Irish travellers going back to the 90s if not before. I don't remember too many people outside of Ireland whinging and moaning about invasion of privacy or about governments having everyone's personal details on file.

For that reason when the conspiracy theorists appear on fab and social media my immediate reaction is "suck it up and give your head a wobble".

Non sequitur. It’s so easily to smear others as “conspiracy theorists” instead of addressing the points made. Congrats. "

You don't have a point so there's nothing to address. I have addressed the arguments against age verification on many of the other threads that are on here and there is no valid counter argument against it.

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By *aFemmeCoquetteWoman 46 weeks ago

Somewhere in the middle not the.....


"Even looking at the replies just on this thread it’s clear people don’t understand the implications of what is happening.

This isn’t just about porn ! All sorts of posts have been taken down including those about the Epping immigrant hotel. This is the beginning of the end of free speech.

What you are doing by verifying is giving yourself a digital ID that can be tracked by the government and other organisations.

When you had to age verify in the past to look at porn etc it was basically just confirming you were over 18 as it proved you had a credit card , this is totally different !

Beware in the future that your sex life or online viewing content doesn’t come back to haunt you in the way of employment or CRB/DBS type checks. If Greg Wallace is cancelled for a bit of slap & tickle then what do you think your local council or health authority will do if you applied for a position with them especially if it involves child welfare etc !

This is another real threat on our freedom but so many people take it so lightly & that’s how governments get away with it 🤷‍♂️

"

Oh no my employer is going to horrified I like to have sex with other consenting adults oh the scandal 😱

How the hell would that affect a crb/dbs check for child welfare jeeeez!

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By *iCurious4WomenMan 46 weeks ago

Inverclyde


"Even looking at the replies just on this thread it’s clear people don’t understand the implications of what is happening.

This isn’t just about porn ! All sorts of posts have been taken down including those about the Epping immigrant hotel. This is the beginning of the end of free speech.

What you are doing by verifying is giving yourself a digital ID that can be tracked by the government and other organisations.

When you had to age verify in the past to look at porn etc it was basically just confirming you were over 18 as it proved you had a credit card , this is totally different !

Beware in the future that your sex life or online viewing content doesn’t come back to haunt you in the way of employment or CRB/DBS type checks. If Greg Wallace is cancelled for a bit of slap & tickle then what do you think your local council or health authority will do if you applied for a position with them especially if it involves child welfare etc !

This is another real threat on our freedom but so many people take it so lightly & that’s how governments get away with it 🤷‍♂️

Don't most of us already have a digital ID?...

It's not like up until this point I've never had to put in my details for anything online

Most of us don’t have everything stored on a central database, so easily accessed by the Government and other authorities, opened to abuse and overreach. If you want to know how a fully implemented Digital ID system works, speak to someone in China. We fought long and hard in this country to abolish ID cards, which people were required to have. Never did I think things would become so regressive.

But PornHub will be the central database easily accessed by the government and other authorities?

Not something like .GOV

It will, if Digital ID is fully implemented. The current Labour Government has announced such plans. "

The complications relating to age verification and digital ID can be difficult for a lot of people to understand. Big Brother Watch and other privacy organisations explains it well on their websites, for those interested in educating themselves on such matters. People live busy lives, I don’t really blame them for not knowing the ins-and-outs.

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By (user no longer on site) 46 weeks ago


"Even looking at the replies just on this thread it’s clear people don’t understand the implications of what is happening.

This isn’t just about porn ! All sorts of posts have been taken down including those about the Epping immigrant hotel. This is the beginning of the end of free speech.

What you are doing by verifying is giving yourself a digital ID that can be tracked by the government and other organisations.

When you had to age verify in the past to look at porn etc it was basically just confirming you were over 18 as it proved you had a credit card , this is totally different !

Beware in the future that your sex life or online viewing content doesn’t come back to haunt you in the way of employment or CRB/DBS type checks. If Greg Wallace is cancelled for a bit of slap & tickle then what do you think your local council or health authority will do if you applied for a position with them especially if it involves child welfare etc !

This is another real threat on our freedom but so many people take it so lightly & that’s how governments get away with it 🤷‍♂️

Come on, let’s not pretend age verification for porn is the same thing as the state kicking down your door for watching a Lovehoney tutorial. Most of us already use online services that require ID like the GP apps, banking apps, job portals etc., and no one’s suggesting those are the end of free speech.

If someone’s online viewing habits could damage their employment prospects, the issue probably isn’t just the verification process, it’s what they’re viewing and in what context.

Also, unless Greg Wallace has suddenly become the face of the revolution (which I wouldn’t be suprised about now he’s unemployable with the BBC), I’m

not sure invoking him helps the cause!

Do you happen to work for the Government? If not, it must be good to always be on the right side of them. Consider the implications for activists and dissidents. "

seriously? Nice deflection tactic!

But no I do not work for the government. I just don’t think age verification for porn is a gateway to authoritarian collapse.

If you’re genuinely worried about activists being tracked, maybe don’t lump that in with “I don’t want to verify my age on a porn site.” They are completely different conversations.

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By *iCurious4WomenMan 46 weeks ago

Inverclyde


"I'm always curious when people start shouting about invasion of privacy and big brother government agencies.

There was lots of whining about having photos on driving licences 10 or 15 years ago and yet here in Northern Ireland we've had those for at least 4 generations. I still have my dad's licence from the early 70s with his photo on it.

Every flight from the island of Ireland North and South into the UK went through a separate gate to every other flight from around the world and photos were taken at the airport of all Irish travellers going back to the 90s if not before. I don't remember too many people outside of Ireland whinging and moaning about invasion of privacy or about governments having everyone's personal details on file.

For that reason when the conspiracy theorists appear on fab and social media my immediate reaction is "suck it up and give your head a wobble".

Non sequitur. It’s so easily to smear others as “conspiracy theorists” instead of addressing the points made. Congrats.

You don't have a point so there's nothing to address. I have addressed the arguments against age verification on many of the other threads that are on here and there is no valid counter argument against it. "

I have made several points, if you care to look, and don't have the time to look through all your threads.

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By *iCurious4WomenMan 46 weeks ago

Inverclyde


"Even looking at the replies just on this thread it’s clear people don’t understand the implications of what is happening.

This isn’t just about porn ! All sorts of posts have been taken down including those about the Epping immigrant hotel. This is the beginning of the end of free speech.

What you are doing by verifying is giving yourself a digital ID that can be tracked by the government and other organisations.

When you had to age verify in the past to look at porn etc it was basically just confirming you were over 18 as it proved you had a credit card , this is totally different !

Beware in the future that your sex life or online viewing content doesn’t come back to haunt you in the way of employment or CRB/DBS type checks. If Greg Wallace is cancelled for a bit of slap & tickle then what do you think your local council or health authority will do if you applied for a position with them especially if it involves child welfare etc !

This is another real threat on our freedom but so many people take it so lightly & that’s how governments get away with it 🤷‍♂️

Come on, let’s not pretend age verification for porn is the same thing as the state kicking down your door for watching a Lovehoney tutorial. Most of us already use online services that require ID like the GP apps, banking apps, job portals etc., and no one’s suggesting those are the end of free speech.

If someone’s online viewing habits could damage their employment prospects, the issue probably isn’t just the verification process, it’s what they’re viewing and in what context.

Also, unless Greg Wallace has suddenly become the face of the revolution (which I wouldn’t be suprised about now he’s unemployable with the BBC), I’m

not sure invoking him helps the cause!

Do you happen to work for the Government? If not, it must be good to always be on the right side of them. Consider the implications for activists and dissidents.

seriously? Nice deflection tactic!

But no I do not work for the government. I just don’t think age verification for porn is a gateway to authoritarian collapse.

If you’re genuinely worried about activists being tracked, maybe don’t lump that in with “I don’t want to verify my age on a porn site.” They are completely different conversations."

It is not a deflection tactic. A significant percentage of the public work for the government in some capacity. Have you ever been arrested for being on the wrong side of the government, which you appear to trust so much?

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By *iCurious4WomenMan 46 weeks ago

Inverclyde


"Even looking at the replies just on this thread it’s clear people don’t understand the implications of what is happening.

This isn’t just about porn ! All sorts of posts have been taken down including those about the Epping immigrant hotel. This is the beginning of the end of free speech.

What you are doing by verifying is giving yourself a digital ID that can be tracked by the government and other organisations.

When you had to age verify in the past to look at porn etc it was basically just confirming you were over 18 as it proved you had a credit card , this is totally different !

Beware in the future that your sex life or online viewing content doesn’t come back to haunt you in the way of employment or CRB/DBS type checks. If Greg Wallace is cancelled for a bit of slap & tickle then what do you think your local council or health authority will do if you applied for a position with them especially if it involves child welfare etc !

This is another real threat on our freedom but so many people take it so lightly & that’s how governments get away with it 🤷‍♂️

Come on, let’s not pretend age verification for porn is the same thing as the state kicking down your door for watching a Lovehoney tutorial. Most of us already use online services that require ID like the GP apps, banking apps, job portals etc., and no one’s suggesting those are the end of free speech.

If someone’s online viewing habits could damage their employment prospects, the issue probably isn’t just the verification process, it’s what they’re viewing and in what context.

Also, unless Greg Wallace has suddenly become the face of the revolution (which I wouldn’t be suprised about now he’s unemployable with the BBC), I’m

not sure invoking him helps the cause!

Do you happen to work for the Government? If not, it must be good to always be on the right side of them. Consider the implications for activists and dissidents.

seriously? Nice deflection tactic!

But no I do not work for the government. I just don’t think age verification for porn is a gateway to authoritarian collapse.

If you’re genuinely worried about activists being tracked, maybe don’t lump that in with “I don’t want to verify my age on a porn site.” They are completely different conversations.

It is not a deflection tactic. A significant percentage of the public work for the government in some capacity. Have you ever been arrested for being on the wrong side of the government, which you appear to trust so much?"

Age verification is a gateway to authoritarian control. Government ministers have already stated that they wish to add mire amendments to the Online Safety Act, because “It doesn’t go far enough”. Australia stated with porn, now they want to add it for all search engines and social media.

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By (user no longer on site) 46 weeks ago


"Even looking at the replies just on this thread it’s clear people don’t understand the implications of what is happening.

This isn’t just about porn ! All sorts of posts have been taken down including those about the Epping immigrant hotel. This is the beginning of the end of free speech.

What you are doing by verifying is giving yourself a digital ID that can be tracked by the government and other organisations.

When you had to age verify in the past to look at porn etc it was basically just confirming you were over 18 as it proved you had a credit card , this is totally different !

Beware in the future that your sex life or online viewing content doesn’t come back to haunt you in the way of employment or CRB/DBS type checks. If Greg Wallace is cancelled for a bit of slap & tickle then what do you think your local council or health authority will do if you applied for a position with them especially if it involves child welfare etc !

This is another real threat on our freedom but so many people take it so lightly & that’s how governments get away with it 🤷‍♂️

Come on, let’s not pretend age verification for porn is the same thing as the state kicking down your door for watching a Lovehoney tutorial. Most of us already use online services that require ID like the GP apps, banking apps, job portals etc., and no one’s suggesting those are the end of free speech.

If someone’s online viewing habits could damage their employment prospects, the issue probably isn’t just the verification process, it’s what they’re viewing and in what context.

Also, unless Greg Wallace has suddenly become the face of the revolution (which I wouldn’t be suprised about now he’s unemployable with the BBC), I’m

not sure invoking him helps the cause!

Do you happen to work for the Government? If not, it must be good to always be on the right side of them. Consider the implications for activists and dissidents.

seriously? Nice deflection tactic!

But no I do not work for the government. I just don’t think age verification for porn is a gateway to authoritarian collapse.

If you’re genuinely worried about activists being tracked, maybe don’t lump that in with “I don’t want to verify my age on a porn site.” They are completely different conversations.

It is not a deflection tactic. A significant percentage of the public work for the government in some capacity. Have you ever been arrested for being on the wrong side of the government, which you appear to trust so much?"

No, I’ve never been arrested. Last time I checked disagreeing with porn site age checks isn’t exactly a revolutionary act, although I could be wrong.

And not buying into your government paranoia doesn’t mean I trust them. It just means I’m not treating this like the start of 1984.

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By *iCurious4WomenMan 46 weeks ago

Inverclyde


"Even looking at the replies just on this thread it’s clear people don’t understand the implications of what is happening.

This isn’t just about porn ! All sorts of posts have been taken down including those about the Epping immigrant hotel. This is the beginning of the end of free speech.

What you are doing by verifying is giving yourself a digital ID that can be tracked by the government and other organisations.

When you had to age verify in the past to look at porn etc it was basically just confirming you were over 18 as it proved you had a credit card , this is totally different !

Beware in the future that your sex life or online viewing content doesn’t come back to haunt you in the way of employment or CRB/DBS type checks. If Greg Wallace is cancelled for a bit of slap & tickle then what do you think your local council or health authority will do if you applied for a position with them especially if it involves child welfare etc !

This is another real threat on our freedom but so many people take it so lightly & that’s how governments get away with it 🤷‍♂️

Come on, let’s not pretend age verification for porn is the same thing as the state kicking down your door for watching a Lovehoney tutorial. Most of us already use online services that require ID like the GP apps, banking apps, job portals etc., and no one’s suggesting those are the end of free speech.

If someone’s online viewing habits could damage their employment prospects, the issue probably isn’t just the verification process, it’s what they’re viewing and in what context.

Also, unless Greg Wallace has suddenly become the face of the revolution (which I wouldn’t be suprised about now he’s unemployable with the BBC), I’m

not sure invoking him helps the cause!

Do you happen to work for the Government? If not, it must be good to always be on the right side of them. Consider the implications for activists and dissidents.

seriously? Nice deflection tactic!

But no I do not work for the government. I just don’t think age verification for porn is a gateway to authoritarian collapse.

If you’re genuinely worried about activists being tracked, maybe don’t lump that in with “I don’t want to verify my age on a porn site.” They are completely different conversations.

It is not a deflection tactic. A significant percentage of the public work for the government in some capacity. Have you ever been arrested for being on the wrong side of the government, which you appear to trust so much?"

Perhaps you’d have a different opinion, if like me, you were arrested, had your home raided and got regularly interrogated at airports.

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By *iCurious4WomenMan 46 weeks ago

Inverclyde


"Even looking at the replies just on this thread it’s clear people don’t understand the implications of what is happening.

This isn’t just about porn ! All sorts of posts have been taken down including those about the Epping immigrant hotel. This is the beginning of the end of free speech.

What you are doing by verifying is giving yourself a digital ID that can be tracked by the government and other organisations.

When you had to age verify in the past to look at porn etc it was basically just confirming you were over 18 as it proved you had a credit card , this is totally different !

Beware in the future that your sex life or online viewing content doesn’t come back to haunt you in the way of employment or CRB/DBS type checks. If Greg Wallace is cancelled for a bit of slap & tickle then what do you think your local council or health authority will do if you applied for a position with them especially if it involves child welfare etc !

This is another real threat on our freedom but so many people take it so lightly & that’s how governments get away with it 🤷‍♂️

Come on, let’s not pretend age verification for porn is the same thing as the state kicking down your door for watching a Lovehoney tutorial. Most of us already use online services that require ID like the GP apps, banking apps, job portals etc., and no one’s suggesting those are the end of free speech.

If someone’s online viewing habits could damage their employment prospects, the issue probably isn’t just the verification process, it’s what they’re viewing and in what context.

Also, unless Greg Wallace has suddenly become the face of the revolution (which I wouldn’t be suprised about now he’s unemployable with the BBC), I’m

not sure invoking him helps the cause!

Do you happen to work for the Government? If not, it must be good to always be on the right side of them. Consider the implications for activists and dissidents.

seriously? Nice deflection tactic!

But no I do not work for the government. I just don’t think age verification for porn is a gateway to authoritarian collapse.

If you’re genuinely worried about activists being tracked, maybe don’t lump that in with “I don’t want to verify my age on a porn site.” They are completely different conversations.

It is not a deflection tactic. A significant percentage of the public work for the government in some capacity. Have you ever been arrested for being on the wrong side of the government, which you appear to trust so much?

No, I’ve never been arrested. Last time I checked disagreeing with porn site age checks isn’t exactly a revolutionary act, although I could be wrong.

And not buying into your government paranoia doesn’t mean I trust them. It just means I’m not treating this like the start of 1984."

You trust the Government enough not to abuse the powers it now has. Governments change every few years. What happens, if for instance, a deeply authoritarian government came to power?

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By (user no longer on site) 46 weeks ago


"Even looking at the replies just on this thread it’s clear people don’t understand the implications of what is happening.

This isn’t just about porn ! All sorts of posts have been taken down including those about the Epping immigrant hotel. This is the beginning of the end of free speech.

What you are doing by verifying is giving yourself a digital ID that can be tracked by the government and other organisations.

When you had to age verify in the past to look at porn etc it was basically just confirming you were over 18 as it proved you had a credit card , this is totally different !

Beware in the future that your sex life or online viewing content doesn’t come back to haunt you in the way of employment or CRB/DBS type checks. If Greg Wallace is cancelled for a bit of slap & tickle then what do you think your local council or health authority will do if you applied for a position with them especially if it involves child welfare etc !

This is another real threat on our freedom but so many people take it so lightly & that’s how governments get away with it 🤷‍♂️

Come on, let’s not pretend age verification for porn is the same thing as the state kicking down your door for watching a Lovehoney tutorial. Most of us already use online services that require ID like the GP apps, banking apps, job portals etc., and no one’s suggesting those are the end of free speech.

If someone’s online viewing habits could damage their employment prospects, the issue probably isn’t just the verification process, it’s what they’re viewing and in what context.

Also, unless Greg Wallace has suddenly become the face of the revolution (which I wouldn’t be suprised about now he’s unemployable with the BBC), I’m

not sure invoking him helps the cause!

Do you happen to work for the Government? If not, it must be good to always be on the right side of them. Consider the implications for activists and dissidents.

seriously? Nice deflection tactic!

But no I do not work for the government. I just don’t think age verification for porn is a gateway to authoritarian collapse.

If you’re genuinely worried about activists being tracked, maybe don’t lump that in with “I don’t want to verify my age on a porn site.” They are completely different conversations.

It is not a deflection tactic. A significant percentage of the public work for the government in some capacity. Have you ever been arrested for being on the wrong side of the government, which you appear to trust so much?

Perhaps you’d have a different opinion, if like me, you were arrested, had your home raided and got regularly interrogated at airports. "

That’s your experience and you’re obviously very committed to your view. I don’t think it’s relevant to this particular discussion about age verification, however unpleasant it may have been, so I’ll leave you to it.

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By (user no longer on site) 46 weeks ago

The intention behind this is honest, but christ the conspiracy theories because of this are something else..

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By (user no longer on site) 46 weeks ago


"Even looking at the replies just on this thread it’s clear people don’t understand the implications of what is happening.

This isn’t just about porn ! All sorts of posts have been taken down including those about the Epping immigrant hotel. This is the beginning of the end of free speech.

What you are doing by verifying is giving yourself a digital ID that can be tracked by the government and other organisations.

When you had to age verify in the past to look at porn etc it was basically just confirming you were over 18 as it proved you had a credit card , this is totally different !

Beware in the future that your sex life or online viewing content doesn’t come back to haunt you in the way of employment or CRB/DBS type checks. If Greg Wallace is cancelled for a bit of slap & tickle then what do you think your local council or health authority will do if you applied for a position with them especially if it involves child welfare etc !

This is another real threat on our freedom but so many people take it so lightly & that’s how governments get away with it 🤷‍♂️

Come on, let’s not pretend age verification for porn is the same thing as the state kicking down your door for watching a Lovehoney tutorial. Most of us already use online services that require ID like the GP apps, banking apps, job portals etc., and no one’s suggesting those are the end of free speech.

If someone’s online viewing habits could damage their employment prospects, the issue probably isn’t just the verification process, it’s what they’re viewing and in what context.

Also, unless Greg Wallace has suddenly become the face of the revolution (which I wouldn’t be suprised about now he’s unemployable with the BBC), I’m

not sure invoking him helps the cause!

Do you happen to work for the Government? If not, it must be good to always be on the right side of them. Consider the implications for activists and dissidents.

seriously? Nice deflection tactic!

But no I do not work for the government. I just don’t think age verification for porn is a gateway to authoritarian collapse.

If you’re genuinely worried about activists being tracked, maybe don’t lump that in with “I don’t want to verify my age on a porn site.” They are completely different conversations.

It is not a deflection tactic. A significant percentage of the public work for the government in some capacity. Have you ever been arrested for being on the wrong side of the government, which you appear to trust so much?

No, I’ve never been arrested. Last time I checked disagreeing with porn site age checks isn’t exactly a revolutionary act, although I could be wrong.

And not buying into your government paranoia doesn’t mean I trust them. It just means I’m not treating this like the start of 1984.

You trust the Government enough not to abuse the powers it now has. Governments change every few years. What happens, if for instance, a deeply authoritarian government came to power? "

If this Country ever elects a fascist regime, I daresay age verification will be the least of our problems!! But still, leaving it there.

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By *iCurious4WomenMan 46 weeks ago

Inverclyde


"Even looking at the replies just on this thread it’s clear people don’t understand the implications of what is happening.

This isn’t just about porn ! All sorts of posts have been taken down including those about the Epping immigrant hotel. This is the beginning of the end of free speech.

What you are doing by verifying is giving yourself a digital ID that can be tracked by the government and other organisations.

When you had to age verify in the past to look at porn etc it was basically just confirming you were over 18 as it proved you had a credit card , this is totally different !

Beware in the future that your sex life or online viewing content doesn’t come back to haunt you in the way of employment or CRB/DBS type checks. If Greg Wallace is cancelled for a bit of slap & tickle then what do you think your local council or health authority will do if you applied for a position with them especially if it involves child welfare etc !

This is another real threat on our freedom but so many people take it so lightly & that’s how governments get away with it 🤷‍♂️

Come on, let’s not pretend age verification for porn is the same thing as the state kicking down your door for watching a Lovehoney tutorial. Most of us already use online services that require ID like the GP apps, banking apps, job portals etc., and no one’s suggesting those are the end of free speech.

If someone’s online viewing habits could damage their employment prospects, the issue probably isn’t just the verification process, it’s what they’re viewing and in what context.

Also, unless Greg Wallace has suddenly become the face of the revolution (which I wouldn’t be suprised about now he’s unemployable with the BBC), I’m

not sure invoking him helps the cause!

Do you happen to work for the Government? If not, it must be good to always be on the right side of them. Consider the implications for activists and dissidents.

seriously? Nice deflection tactic!

But no I do not work for the government. I just don’t think age verification for porn is a gateway to authoritarian collapse.

If you’re genuinely worried about activists being tracked, maybe don’t lump that in with “I don’t want to verify my age on a porn site.” They are completely different conversations.

It is not a deflection tactic. A significant percentage of the public work for the government in some capacity. Have you ever been arrested for being on the wrong side of the government, which you appear to trust so much?

Perhaps you’d have a different opinion, if like me, you were arrested, had your home raided and got regularly interrogated at airports.

That’s your experience and you’re obviously very committed to your view. I don’t think it’s relevant to this particular discussion about age verification, however unpleasant it may have been, so I’ll leave you to it."

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We can agree to disagree. I apologise if I appeared to be rude. It’s just that I feel strongly about this particular topic. Enjoy the rest of your day.

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By *annyDanielleMan 46 weeks ago

Street, Somerset


"The intention behind this is honest, but christ the conspiracy theories because of this are something else.. "

This is legislation designed to protect children on line, how can anyone think that's a bad thing? Personally i think it's come far too late.

Those that think this is a cover for yet more surveillance can simply not comply and find other means of getting their fix.

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By *iCurious4WomenMan 46 weeks ago

Inverclyde


"The intention behind this is honest, but christ the conspiracy theories because of this are something else.. "

How do you know it is honest? I note, like others, you use the “conspiracy theories” smear without actually addressing the points made. Nothing I have stated on this forum is factually incorrect.

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By (user no longer on site) 46 weeks ago


"The intention behind this is honest, but christ the conspiracy theories because of this are something else..

This is legislation designed to protect children on line, how can anyone think that's a bad thing? Personally i think it's come far too late.

Those that think this is a cover for yet more surveillance can simply not comply and find other means of getting their fix."

Protecting kids online is not a bad thing, and I don’t think anyone would disagree with that statement.

But the implementation is poorly executed, it shouldn’t be outsourced to a third party, it should be at the ISP level.

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By (user no longer on site) 46 weeks ago


"It’s long overdue and the age verification takes seconds. "

Depends if you trust an obscure website with your personal details. Ashley Madison guests thought their details were safe until the hackers had a field day and leaked them all

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By *iCurious4WomenMan 46 weeks ago

Inverclyde


"The intention behind this is honest, but christ the conspiracy theories because of this are something else..

This is legislation designed to protect children on line, how can anyone think that's a bad thing? Personally i think it's come far too late.

Those that think this is a cover for yet more surveillance can simply not comply and find other means of getting their fix."

Since when did the Government care about protecting children. I’ve lost count at the number of politicians and senior figures who have abused children, as well as the number of coverups. I care deeply about protecting children and want nothing more than for them not to go through what I did as a child. The Online Safety Act is now the right way to deal with the situation.

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By *annyDanielleMan 46 weeks ago

Street, Somerset


"The intention behind this is honest, but christ the conspiracy theories because of this are something else..

This is legislation designed to protect children on line, how can anyone think that's a bad thing? Personally i think it's come far too late.

Those that think this is a cover for yet more surveillance can simply not comply and find other means of getting their fix.

Protecting kids online is not a bad thing, and I don’t think anyone would disagree with that statement.

But the implementation is poorly executed, it shouldn’t be outsourced to a third party, it should be at the ISP level. "

I've been asked for verification via something called Yoti, where's the harm in that. All they need to know is whether i'm over 18 or not, not what i need the verification for.

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By (user no longer on site) 46 weeks ago


"The intention behind this is honest, but christ the conspiracy theories because of this are something else..

How do you know it is honest? I note, like others, you use the “conspiracy theories” smear without actually addressing the points made. Nothing I have stated on this forum is factually incorrect. "

I said the intention was honest - you cannot be sitting there with a straight face and saying “hey, let those kids see explicit & horrific content!” surely? 🤔

And it is, what would lead you to think there is suddenly a move to state surveillance when you’re sitting on here, the ISP can see your traffic already and all the sites you’ve visited etc? That’s the golden ticket in state surveillance terms.

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By *iCurious4WomenMan 46 weeks ago

Inverclyde


"It’s long overdue and the age verification takes seconds.

Depends if you trust an obscure website with your personal details. Ashley Madison guests thought their details were safe until the hackers had a field day and leaked them all "

Personal data is regularly sold on the dark web. They had even more of a field day when Digital ID information from thousands of people in Singapore was available to the highest bidder.

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By (user no longer on site) 46 weeks ago


"The intention behind this is honest, but christ the conspiracy theories because of this are something else..

This is legislation designed to protect children on line, how can anyone think that's a bad thing? Personally i think it's come far too late.

Those that think this is a cover for yet more surveillance can simply not comply and find other means of getting their fix.

Protecting kids online is not a bad thing, and I don’t think anyone would disagree with that statement.

But the implementation is poorly executed, it shouldn’t be outsourced to a third party, it should be at the ISP level.

I've been asked for verification via something called Yoti, where's the harm in that. All they need to know is whether i'm over 18 or not, not what i need the verification for."

Did you know that Yoti can ship your PII off to India? It’s a direct breach of our Data Protection Act 2018, and I’m 99.999% sure India doesn’t have the same level of data protection standards as the EU / UK.

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By (user no longer on site) 46 weeks ago


"The intention behind this is honest, but christ the conspiracy theories because of this are something else.. "
yeah always brings out the nutters

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By *iCurious4WomenMan 46 weeks ago

Inverclyde


"The intention behind this is honest, but christ the conspiracy theories because of this are something else..

How do you know it is honest? I note, like others, you use the “conspiracy theories” smear without actually addressing the points made. Nothing I have stated on this forum is factually incorrect.

I said the intention was honest - you cannot be sitting there with a straight face and saying “hey, let those kids see explicit & horrific content!” surely? 🤔

And it is, what would lead you to think there is suddenly a move to state surveillance when you’re sitting on here, the ISP can see your traffic already and all the sites you’ve visited etc? That’s the golden ticket in state surveillance terms. "

Are you actually being serious right now? I’m sure I have done more in my life to protect children from harm than you have. With respect, your posts shows how uneducated you are on such matters. The ISP cannot see the traffic of those using a good VPN or the Tor network.

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By *iCurious4WomenMan 46 weeks ago

Inverclyde


"The intention behind this is honest, but christ the conspiracy theories because of this are something else..

How do you know it is honest? I note, like others, you use the “conspiracy theories” smear without actually addressing the points made. Nothing I have stated on this forum is factually incorrect.

I said the intention was honest - you cannot be sitting there with a straight face and saying “hey, let those kids see explicit & horrific content!” surely? 🤔

And it is, what would lead you to think there is suddenly a move to state surveillance when you’re sitting on here, the ISP can see your traffic already and all the sites you’ve visited etc? That’s the golden ticket in state surveillance terms.

Are you actually being serious right now? I’m sure I have done more in my life to protect children from harm than you have. With respect, your posts shows how uneducated you are on such matters. The ISP cannot see the traffic of those using a good VPN or the Tor network."

Get back to me when you have spent almost 20 years, volunteering countless hours of your free time to protect children, speaking to victims of the most horrific abuse imaginable,

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By *iCurious4WomenMan 46 weeks ago

Inverclyde


"The intention behind this is honest, but christ the conspiracy theories because of this are something else.. yeah always brings out the nutters"

Are you trying to smear those with privacy concerns as mentally ill? If that is the case, I wouldn’t like to see how you treat those who genuinely suffer from mental illness.

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By *iCurious4WomenMan 46 weeks ago

Inverclyde


"The intention behind this is honest, but christ the conspiracy theories because of this are something else.. yeah always brings out the nutters

Are you trying to smear those with privacy concerns as mentally ill? If that is the case, I wouldn’t like to see how you treat those who genuinely suffer from mental illness."

Soviet Governments used the same tactic to go after dissidents. It was a favourite of Stalin’s. I see that others are keeping his work alive. He was such a lovely man (sarcasm)

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By *vanutdMan 46 weeks ago

egham

No we don’t have a digital ID unless the Police or government etc gets a court order/ warrant to look at it or you are arrested

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By *iCurious4WomenMan 46 weeks ago

Inverclyde


"No we don’t have a digital ID unless the Police or government etc gets a court order/ warrant to look at it or you are arrested"

Correct. Even then, the information wouldn’t be as extensive, especially if the person used a VPN. Digital ID would be a centralised database, available to multiple government agencies to see whenever they deem fit.

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By (user no longer on site) 46 weeks ago


"The intention behind this is honest, but christ the conspiracy theories because of this are something else.. yeah always brings out the nutters

Are you trying to smear those with privacy concerns as mentally ill? If that is the case, I wouldn’t like to see how you treat those who genuinely suffer from mental illness."

didn’t say mentally ill. You did. I class a nutter as someone who follows conspiracy theories. Follows falsehoods and generally can’t think for themselves. People don’t agree with this fine. But trying to come up with loads of behinds the scenes reasons for it which are rarely true. I have no issue with it. If my details get used elsewhere that’s my fault in the future. But if it protects 1% of children guess what. I’m fine with that

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By *iCurious4WomenMan 46 weeks ago

Inverclyde


"The intention behind this is honest, but christ the conspiracy theories because of this are something else.. yeah always brings out the nutters

Are you trying to smear those with privacy concerns as mentally ill? If that is the case, I wouldn’t like to see how you treat those who genuinely suffer from mental illness. didn’t say mentally ill. You did. I class a nutter as someone who follows conspiracy theories. Follows falsehoods and generally can’t think for themselves. People don’t agree with this fine. But trying to come up with loads of behinds the scenes reasons for it which are rarely true. I have no issue with it. If my details get used elsewhere that’s my fault in the future. But if it protects 1% of children guess what. I’m fine with that "

The term “nutters” suggests mental illness. Ask any mental health advocacy organisation.

Where have I stated a falsehood in this entire thread? You haven’t debunked a single thing.

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By (user no longer on site) 46 weeks ago


"The intention behind this is honest, but christ the conspiracy theories because of this are something else.. yeah always brings out the nutters

Are you trying to smear those with privacy concerns as mentally ill? If that is the case, I wouldn’t like to see how you treat those who genuinely suffer from mental illness.

Soviet Governments used the same tactic to go after dissidents. It was a favourite of Stalin’s. I see that others are keeping his work alive. He was such a lovely man (sarcasm)"

I mean this in the politest way possible, no one needs to hack you, you’re sharing all your personal experiences in a public forum by choice.

Don’t you see the irony in that?

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By *ondiego85Man 46 weeks ago

nottingham

Here for the conspiracy nutters comments

I’ll need a bigger box of popcorn

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By *oiluvfunMan 46 weeks ago

Penrith


"So just a question how many of you have been affected and how many have age verified on there respected pron outlet's ?"

I did the face fit in a photo frame test for Xham the other day. It took a full 2 minutes and didn’t hurt a bit…....

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By (user no longer on site) 46 weeks ago


"The intention behind this is honest, but christ the conspiracy theories because of this are something else.. yeah always brings out the nutters

Are you trying to smear those with privacy concerns as mentally ill? If that is the case, I wouldn’t like to see how you treat those who genuinely suffer from mental illness. didn’t say mentally ill. You did. I class a nutter as someone who follows conspiracy theories. Follows falsehoods and generally can’t think for themselves. People don’t agree with this fine. But trying to come up with loads of behinds the scenes reasons for it which are rarely true. I have no issue with it. If my details get used elsewhere that’s my fault in the future. But if it protects 1% of children guess what. I’m fine with that

The term “nutters” suggests mental illness. Ask any mental health advocacy organisation.

Where have I stated a falsehood in this entire thread? You haven’t debunked a single thing."

Ahhh if that’s the case my mistake. I’ll change it to something different next time.

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By *iCurious4WomenMan 46 weeks ago

Inverclyde


"The intention behind this is honest, but christ the conspiracy theories because of this are something else.. yeah always brings out the nutters

Are you trying to smear those with privacy concerns as mentally ill? If that is the case, I wouldn’t like to see how you treat those who genuinely suffer from mental illness.

Soviet Governments used the same tactic to go after dissidents. It was a favourite of Stalin’s. I see that others are keeping his work alive. He was such a lovely man (sarcasm)

I mean this in the politest way possible, no one needs to hack you, you’re sharing all your personal experiences in a public forum by choice.

Don’t you see the irony in that? "

I share what I feel comfortable with. Everyone has different levels of comfort. It’s not all about me. This thread has been about online privacy. Nowhere have I stated the reasons for being arrested, etc.

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By *iCurious4WomenMan 46 weeks ago

Inverclyde


"So just a question how many of you have been affected and how many have age verified on there respected pron outlet's ?

I did the face fit in a photo frame test for Xham the other day. It took a full 2 minutes and didn’t hurt a bit….... "

Who stores the information and for how long? Have you checked what security procedures are in place to protect it?

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By (user no longer on site) 46 weeks ago


"So just a question how many of you have been affected and how many have age verified on there respected pron outlet's ?

I did the face fit in a photo frame test for Xham the other day. It took a full 2 minutes and didn’t hurt a bit…....

Who stores the information and for how long? Have you checked what security procedures are in place to protect it? "

When I did it. It displayed that it was deleting the photo and didn’t store the information. Least on the one used for Bluesky as no one in their right mind should be using X

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By *oiluvfunMan 46 weeks ago

Penrith


"So just a question how many of you have been affected and how many have age verified on there respected pron outlet's ?

I did the face fit in a photo frame test for Xham the other day. It took a full 2 minutes and didn’t hurt a bit…....

Who stores the information and for how long? Have you checked what security procedures are in place to protect it? "

2 minutes after ‘passing’ the age test, I was wanking, I’d forgotten about anything else….

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By (user no longer on site) 46 weeks ago


"The intention behind this is honest, but christ the conspiracy theories because of this are something else.. yeah always brings out the nutters

Are you trying to smear those with privacy concerns as mentally ill? If that is the case, I wouldn’t like to see how you treat those who genuinely suffer from mental illness.

Soviet Governments used the same tactic to go after dissidents. It was a favourite of Stalin’s. I see that others are keeping his work alive. He was such a lovely man (sarcasm)

I mean this in the politest way possible, no one needs to hack you, you’re sharing all your personal experiences in a public forum by choice.

Don’t you see the irony in that?

I share what I feel comfortable with. Everyone has different levels of comfort. It’s not all about me. This thread has been about online privacy. Nowhere have I stated the reasons for being arrested, etc. "

Fair enough, we all have our own comfort levels and you’re obviously speaking from strong personal experience. I only pointed out the irony because the privacy concerns were framed so strongly, but a lot of detail was being shared at the same time. That’s all.

I appreciate the clarification

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By *iCurious4WomenMan 46 weeks ago

Inverclyde


"So just a question how many of you have been affected and how many have age verified on there respected pron outlet's ?

I did the face fit in a photo frame test for Xham the other day. It took a full 2 minutes and didn’t hurt a bit…....

Who stores the information and for how long? Have you checked what security procedures are in place to protect it?

When I did it. It displayed that it was deleting the photo and didn’t store the information. Least on the one used for Bluesky as no one in their right mind should be using X"

Hopefully, they keep to their word. Unfortunately, it is becoming increasingly difficult to trust corporate organisations. I’ve not looked at the specific ins and outs of the verification used by BlueSky, so would prefer not to comment more on it until I find out more. ,

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By (user no longer on site) 46 weeks ago


"So just a question how many of you have been affected and how many have age verified on there respected pron outlet's ?

I did the face fit in a photo frame test for Xham the other day. It took a full 2 minutes and didn’t hurt a bit…....

Who stores the information and for how long? Have you checked what security procedures are in place to protect it?

When I did it. It displayed that it was deleting the photo and didn’t store the information. Least on the one used for Bluesky as no one in their right mind should be using X

Hopefully, they keep to their word. Unfortunately, it is becoming increasingly difficult to trust corporate organisations. I’ve not looked at the specific ins and outs of the verification used by BlueSky, so would prefer not to comment more on it until I find out more. , "

Yep like you can’t say they haven’t deleted it and I can’t say they have. That’s the thing about making a choice to use it or not. Only one I disagree with is X putting it behind premium to get the tinfoil hatters to pay for it when it could have been done without it. But that’s why no one should ever be using X anyway

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By *rKinksMan 46 weeks ago

Alton

Personally not a fan.

The verification agency are 3rd party and I worry about data leaks.

They are easily bypassed with fake IDs or VPNs

VPNs then decrease cyber security as the government has no idea what's happening within the UK as all traffic is pushed overseas

My worry is it won't tackle the worst issues and pushing many into darker remits of the internet whilst risking people's personal information to 3rd parties

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By *UGGYBEAR2015Man 46 weeks ago

BRIDPORT


"Even looking at the replies just on this thread it’s clear people don’t understand the implications of what is happening.

This isn’t just about porn ! All sorts of posts have been taken down including those about the Epping immigrant hotel. This is the beginning of the end of free speech.

What you are doing by verifying is giving yourself a digital ID that can be tracked by the government and other organisations.

When you had to age verify in the past to look at porn etc it was basically just confirming you were over 18 as it proved you had a credit card , this is totally different !

Beware in the future that your sex life or online viewing content doesn’t come back to haunt you in the way of employment or CRB/DBS type checks. If Greg Wallace is cancelled for a bit of slap & tickle then what do you think your local council or health authority will do if you applied for a position with them especially if it involves child welfare etc !

This is another real threat on our freedom but so many people take it so lightly & that’s how governments get away with it 🤷‍♂️

"

What a crock of shit. I haven’t given FAB any information they don’t already know, Infact I’ve done nothing and am still able to use this site. People talk about a vpn, I have no idea what that is and don’t have one, I have done nothing and am automatically verified as an adult.

Perhaps they have just been monitoring my forum posts and have decided it’s plainly obvious I am an adult.

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By *icecouple561Couple 46 weeks ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex


"Even looking at the replies just on this thread it’s clear people don’t understand the implications of what is happening.

This isn’t just about porn ! All sorts of posts have been taken down including those about the Epping immigrant hotel. This is the beginning of the end of free speech.

What you are doing by verifying is giving yourself a digital ID that can be tracked by the government and other organisations.

When you had to age verify in the past to look at porn etc it was basically just confirming you were over 18 as it proved you had a credit card , this is totally different !

Beware in the future that your sex life or online viewing content doesn’t come back to haunt you in the way of employment or CRB/DBS type checks. If Greg Wallace is cancelled for a bit of slap & tickle then what do you think your local council or health authority will do if you applied for a position with them especially if it involves child welfare etc !

This is another real threat on our freedom but so many people take it so lightly & that’s how governments get away with it 🤷‍♂️

What a crock of shit. I haven’t given FAB any information they don’t already know, Infact I’ve done nothing and am still able to use this site. People talk about a vpn, I have no idea what that is and don’t have one, I have done nothing and am automatically verified as an adult.

Perhaps they have just been monitoring my forum posts and have decided it’s plainly obvious I am an adult. "

You've either accessed the site using a phone enabled for adult content of upgraded using a credit card.

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By (user no longer on site) 46 weeks ago


"Even looking at the replies just on this thread it’s clear people don’t understand the implications of what is happening.

This isn’t just about porn ! All sorts of posts have been taken down including those about the Epping immigrant hotel. This is the beginning of the end of free speech.

What you are doing by verifying is giving yourself a digital ID that can be tracked by the government and other organisations.

When you had to age verify in the past to look at porn etc it was basically just confirming you were over 18 as it proved you had a credit card , this is totally different !

Beware in the future that your sex life or online viewing content doesn’t come back to haunt you in the way of employment or CRB/DBS type checks. If Greg Wallace is cancelled for a bit of slap & tickle then what do you think your local council or health authority will do if you applied for a position with them especially if it involves child welfare etc !

This is another real threat on our freedom but so many people take it so lightly & that’s how governments get away with it 🤷‍♂️

What a crock of shit. I haven’t given FAB any information they don’t already know, Infact I’ve done nothing and am still able to use this site. People talk about a vpn, I have no idea what that is and don’t have one, I have done nothing and am automatically verified as an adult.

Perhaps they have just been monitoring my forum posts and have decided it’s plainly obvious I am an adult. "

Maybe depends on how you pay for your site membership? Old enough to have a dinosaur, then you’re old enough to have a bank account and use the site

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By *icecouple561Couple 46 weeks ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

^^ I just showed photos of my pet mammoth

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By *UGGYBEAR2015Man 46 weeks ago

BRIDPORT


"Even looking at the replies just on this thread it’s clear people don’t understand the implications of what is happening.

This isn’t just about porn ! All sorts of posts have been taken down including those about the Epping immigrant hotel. This is the beginning of the end of free speech.

What you are doing by verifying is giving yourself a digital ID that can be tracked by the government and other organisations.

When you had to age verify in the past to look at porn etc it was basically just confirming you were over 18 as it proved you had a credit card , this is totally different !

Beware in the future that your sex life or online viewing content doesn’t come back to haunt you in the way of employment or CRB/DBS type checks. If Greg Wallace is cancelled for a bit of slap & tickle then what do you think your local council or health authority will do if you applied for a position with them especially if it involves child welfare etc !

This is another real threat on our freedom but so many people take it so lightly & that’s how governments get away with it 🤷‍♂️

What a crock of shit. I haven’t given FAB any information they don’t already know, Infact I’ve done nothing and am still able to use this site. People talk about a vpn, I have no idea what that is and don’t have one, I have done nothing and am automatically verified as an adult.

Perhaps they have just been monitoring my forum posts and have decided it’s plainly obvious I am an adult.

You've either accessed the site using a phone enabled for adult content of upgraded using a credit card. "

I’ve never had a credit card but I always tell the phone company to make sure the account is fully unlocked when I renew my contract, I’ve never actually had to provide any proof to them🤷🏻‍♂️

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By (user no longer on site) 46 weeks ago


"^^ I just showed photos of my pet mammoth "

And they say the system isn’t thorough. 😜

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By *UGGYBEAR2015Man 46 weeks ago

BRIDPORT


"Even looking at the replies just on this thread it’s clear people don’t understand the implications of what is happening.

This isn’t just about porn ! All sorts of posts have been taken down including those about the Epping immigrant hotel. This is the beginning of the end of free speech.

What you are doing by verifying is giving yourself a digital ID that can be tracked by the government and other organisations.

When you had to age verify in the past to look at porn etc it was basically just confirming you were over 18 as it proved you had a credit card , this is totally different !

Beware in the future that your sex life or online viewing content doesn’t come back to haunt you in the way of employment or CRB/DBS type checks. If Greg Wallace is cancelled for a bit of slap & tickle then what do you think your local council or health authority will do if you applied for a position with them especially if it involves child welfare etc !

This is another real threat on our freedom but so many people take it so lightly & that’s how governments get away with it 🤷‍♂️

What a crock of shit. I haven’t given FAB any information they don’t already know, Infact I’ve done nothing and am still able to use this site. People talk about a vpn, I have no idea what that is and don’t have one, I have done nothing and am automatically verified as an adult.

Perhaps they have just been monitoring my forum posts and have decided it’s plainly obvious I am an adult.

Maybe depends on how you pay for your site membership? Old enough to have a dinosaur, then you’re old enough to have a bank account and use the site "

People who live in glass houses shouldn’t make fun of their dinosaurs

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By *icecouple561Couple 46 weeks ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex


"^^ I just showed photos of my pet mammoth

And they say the system isn’t thorough. 😜"

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By *ophieslutTV/TS 46 weeks ago
Forum Mod

Central


"So just a question how many of you have been affected and how many have age verified on there respected pron outlet's ?

There are privacy implications with the law. Consider what would happen if sensitive information gets leaked. Big Brother Watch, which I support, has spoken about this. Those with such concerns are using VPNs. I understand why some people support age verification laws, but another thing to remember is that it’s open to abuse by governments. Slippery slope comes to mind.

I don’t think the governments wants to just limit it to adult websites. Look at what is happening in other countries. One must ask why governments worldwide are enacting almost identical legislation at the same time. You don’t have to be a conspiracy theorists to notice that something isn’t right. Aren’t our governments supposed to all be independent of one another? No one even mentions where all of this age verification for adult content is coming from."

Societies and cultures evolve, often with influences on each other. The swinging 60s weren't just a phenomenon in the UK, for example.

The evident dangers from something, when apparent somewhere, would be negligence, if ignored by authorities. Citizens are informed and aware of what's going wrong in culture too and some of these changes are due to pressure from affected families.

The UK changes aren't just about porn. Other dangerous materials, including those that could facilitate young people towards suicide, are also covered.

Adults are better able to understand risks as well as to minimise harm, including protection of their own data.

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By *iltsTSgirlTV/TS 46 weeks ago

Chichester

Just use a VPN for now if sites aren’t using face AI estimates verification instead of ID.

Twitter is fucked as Elon hasn’t put any means to age verify but nuked the UK

Thankfully. A vpn and account location match solve it for now until they implement AVS

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By *he OpalsnakeMan 46 weeks ago

Thirsk

I'm just gonna say it.

Not only will I happily send my entire porn history to Kier Starmer himself but he can have a selfie of my happy face 😉

It minds not me that the world knows I like milfs with big breasts, there's nothing illegal about it and it could never be used against me.

I'll tell my work, my family, my gp, my shrink, anyone else who wants to know. My nearest and dearest even know I'm on here and wish me well because its all fully consensual adult fun.

Freedom is the ability to stand on who you are without fear.

It's the scare mongering that is the control tactic not the bill.

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By *estructionDollyWoman 46 weeks ago

Manchester

I've age verified on 5 or 6 different sites over the last couple of days (even dating apps are asking you to verify now) and I didn't have to provide any ID, credit card or identifying details. Use a throw away email address to create an account. It took 30 seconds just to check that my phone network has adult content switched on. Done.

As much as I'm not a huge fan of the possibility of companies monitoring what type of porn I watch because I have to log in to an account now, I do think on websites like Fab or dating apps, age verification has been a long time coming.

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By *estructionDollyWoman 46 weeks ago

Manchester

I do feel sorry for sex workers who are going to suffer from the twitter porn ban and being unable to promote their content in the same way they would have normally.

But I don't stigmatise sex work like many on here do.

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By *ellhungvweMan 46 weeks ago

Cheltenham

Loving the comments in all these threads.

I can understand those who are worried about government surveillance but at the same time I would ask if they have actually seen or used any government IT systems? They are universally abysmal. They barely work - and that’s the good ones.

Are GCHQs systems better? Undoubtedly but they are not going to waste that capability looking at why Brian from Burnley is knocking one out.

I would be more worried that government technology is so crap they aren’t actually capable of spying on you even if they wanted to then the fact that they might think your life was remotely interesting enough to even bother with in the first place.

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By *ondiego85Man 46 weeks ago

nottingham

Ooooft, I’m gonna need a trailer full of popcorn here

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By *he OpalsnakeMan 46 weeks ago

Thirsk


"Loving the comments in all these threads.

I can understand those who are worried about government surveillance but at the same time I would ask if they have actually seen or used any government IT systems? They are universally abysmal. They barely work - and that’s the good ones.

Are GCHQs systems better? Undoubtedly but they are not going to waste that capability looking at why Brian from Burnley is knocking one out.

I would be more worried that government technology is so crap they aren’t actually capable of spying on you even if they wanted to then the fact that they might think your life was remotely interesting enough to even bother with in the first place."

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 exactly this.

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By *rPunxMan 46 weeks ago

Hull

I think it's funny how all the DO gooders are resorting to insults instead of backing up their stance with factual arguments. It so easy to call someone a crackpot, tinfoil hatter, nutter etc than actually backing your point up isn't it. Don't forget how a few years ago they were going to force people to have experimental gene therapy treatments despite people's personal choices

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By (user no longer on site) 46 weeks ago


"I think it's funny how all the DO gooders are resorting to insults instead of backing up their stance with factual arguments. It so easy to call someone a crackpot, tinfoil hatter, nutter etc than actually backing your point up isn't it. Don't forget how a few years ago they were going to force people to have experimental gene therapy treatments despite people's personal choices "

asks people to back up their comments with facts

calls a well known method of vaccination “experimental gene therapy treatment”

Come on, what you at. 😂

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By *rPunxMan 46 weeks ago

Hull

Mrna was designed to be gene therapy and was never a 'vaccination ' do what you were told and research the science

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By *ealitybitesMan 46 weeks ago

Belfast


"I think it's funny how all the DO gooders are resorting to insults instead of backing up their stance with factual arguments. It so easy to call someone a crackpot, tinfoil hatter, nutter etc than actually backing your point up isn't it. Don't forget how a few years ago they were going to force people to have experimental gene therapy treatments despite people's personal choices "

I backed up my argument above when I made the factual statement that no one was bothered about having to provide photo id to drive a car or have their photo taken twice in every UK airport or about being segregated in airports when it was only happening to others but as soon as that silent majority are asked to do it the conspiracy theories start. Keep up. You're only about 40 years behind the times.

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By *rPunxMan 46 weeks ago

Hull

DNA, or deoxyribonucleic acid, is a molecule found in cells that carries the genetic instructions for all living organisms. The m part stands for messenger which is used to change genetic defects.

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By *ackdaw52Man 46 weeks ago

Chesterfield

I haven't been able to verify so far. Nothing has worked.

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By *he OpalsnakeMan 46 weeks ago

Thirsk

OK so factually, here is how propaganda works.

Take something innocuous and make it look like an infringement on people's freedoms.

Select a perpetrator and then push a slanted agenda that makes them the enemy.

Incite fear in the masses using said example/examples

Create division.

Present yourself as the answer to the issue and use powerful narrative to present as a form of protection.

Gain power.

Use the fear mongering tactic to incite further division.

Use power to enforce further restriction on society to avoid challenge.

It was known as more of a nazi model but was recently updated.

Not that any of it matters because as the masses we don't. Not here at least. The effects are only felt these days in countries with more disposable populations.

We aren't pawns in a chess match, we're just squares, the conditions of the square might alter from time to time but the only thing that moves are the pieces vying for control.

The world is too big to control hence all the movement. The only thing you can do is take care of your square. 🤷‍♂️

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By *rPunxMan 46 weeks ago

Hull


"I think it's funny how all the DO gooders are resorting to insults instead of backing up their stance with factual arguments. It so easy to call someone a crackpot, tinfoil hatter, nutter etc than actually backing your point up isn't it. Don't forget how a few years ago they were going to force people to have experimental gene therapy treatments despite people's personal choices

I backed up my argument above when I made the factual statement that no one was bothered about having to provide photo id to drive a car or have their photo taken twice in every UK airport or about being segregated in airports when it was only happening to others but as soon as that silent majority are asked to do it the conspiracy theories start. Keep up. You're only about 40 years behind the times. "

firstly you didn't state a fact you posted an opinion based upon your personal experience. How do you know that no-one cared? So what you are actually saying it happened to me so everyone else should have it done to them. So on that rational maybe we should have just let Hitler do what he wanted because we never did anything in the beginning to stop it.

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By (user no longer on site) 46 weeks ago


"DNA, or deoxyribonucleic acid, is a molecule found in cells that carries the genetic instructions for all living organisms. The m part stands for messenger which is used to change genetic defects. "

Pretty sure uploading your passport for age verification doesn’t rewrite your DNA but if yours starts glowing after entering your DOB, let us know

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By *rPunxMan 46 weeks ago

Hull


"DNA, or deoxyribonucleic acid, is a molecule found in cells that carries the genetic instructions for all living organisms. The m part stands for messenger which is used to change genetic defects.

Pretty sure uploading your passport for age verification doesn’t rewrite your DNA but if yours starts glowing after entering your DOB, let us know "

you know full well that's not what I'm saying.

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By *rPunxMan 46 weeks ago

Hull

Everyone is quick to mock and laugh until the authorities come for them. Do I need to quote that famous poem about the rise of the nazis and no one speaking out?

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By (user no longer on site) 46 weeks ago


"Everyone is quick to mock and laugh until the authorities come for them. Do I need to quote that famous poem about the rise of the nazis and no one speaking out?"

Strewth, bit of a jump from age verification to DNA and now to Nazis, but ok….

No one’s silencing you. You can speak out all you like but don’t be surprised when people raise an eyebrow at what you say and question it. Like you said, you should be able to back it up.

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By *ealitybitesMan 46 weeks ago

Belfast


"I think it's funny how all the DO gooders are resorting to insults instead of backing up their stance with factual arguments. It so easy to call someone a crackpot, tinfoil hatter, nutter etc than actually backing your point up isn't it. Don't forget how a few years ago they were going to force people to have experimental gene therapy treatments despite people's personal choices

I backed up my argument above when I made the factual statement that no one was bothered about having to provide photo id to drive a car or have their photo taken twice in every UK airport or about being segregated in airports when it was only happening to others but as soon as that silent majority are asked to do it the conspiracy theories start. Keep up. You're only about 40 years behind the times. firstly you didn't state a fact you posted an opinion based upon your personal experience. How do you know that no-one cared? So what you are actually saying it happened to me so everyone else should have it done to them. So on that rational maybe we should have just let Hitler do what he wanted because we never did anything in the beginning to stop it."

Congratulations on winning the Godwin's Law award.

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By *parkle1974Woman 46 weeks ago

Leeds

Fuck me this escalated.....all over porn being blocked!!!! Quite sad actually

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By *rPunxMan 46 weeks ago

Hull

I don't do it for awards. But thanks anyway

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By *rew72Man 46 weeks ago

newcastle

Get a vpn no problem

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By *rPunxMan 46 weeks ago

Hull


"Fuck me this escalated.....all over porn being blocked!!!! Quite sad actually "
no one is really debate the porn or age aspects it's the freedom and collection of personal data and what that can lead to that people are debating

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By *ackdaw52Man 46 weeks ago

Chesterfield

Anyone else had issues with verification? My phone, email and card hasn't worked!

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By (user no longer on site) 46 weeks ago

As a dad of 4, I'm glad they're being stricter on it

I don't really care if the government knows what gets me off...

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By *ippyandBungle2Man 46 weeks ago

Central Scotland


"Everyone is affected OP. It’s the law 🤷‍♂️

Ps. It’s porn by the way

PPS. It’s easy to follow and still enjoy the porn you want as an adult 💡"

The crazies are out in force twisting it this way and that, which was inevitable I guess

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By *issilia AmoriWoman 46 weeks ago

North Welsh Borders


"Fuck me this escalated.....all over porn being blocked!!!! Quite sad actually no one is really debate the porn or age aspects it's the freedom and collection of personal data and what that can lead to that people are debating "

Personal data collection has always been a thing though, this is why we have GDPR and that still applies does it not?

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By (user no longer on site) 46 weeks ago


"Fuck me this escalated.....all over porn being blocked!!!! Quite sad actually no one is really debate the porn or age aspects it's the freedom and collection of personal data and what that can lead to that people are debating

Personal data collection has always been a thing though, this is why we have GDPR and that still applies does it not?

"

I want to know what everyone is watching that they're so scared of it coming out

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By *parkle1974Woman 46 weeks ago

Leeds


"Fuck me this escalated.....all over porn being blocked!!!! Quite sad actually no one is really debate the porn or age aspects it's the freedom and collection of personal data and what that can lead to that people are debating

Personal data collection has always been a thing though, this is why we have GDPR and that still applies does it not?

I want to know what everyone is watching that they're so scared of it coming out"

Me too

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By *he OpalsnakeMan 46 weeks ago

Thirsk


"Fuck me this escalated.....all over porn being blocked!!!! Quite sad actually no one is really debate the porn or age aspects it's the freedom and collection of personal data and what that can lead to that people are debating

Personal data collection has always been a thing though, this is why we have GDPR and that still applies does it not?

"

It damn well better, I have to do the course annually 🤦‍♂️🤣😂

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By *issilia AmoriWoman 46 weeks ago

North Welsh Borders


"Fuck me this escalated.....all over porn being blocked!!!! Quite sad actually no one is really debate the porn or age aspects it's the freedom and collection of personal data and what that can lead to that people are debating

Personal data collection has always been a thing though, this is why we have GDPR and that still applies does it not?

I want to know what everyone is watching that they're so scared of it coming out"

Me too! Seems an awful lot of knots in knickers over it....

I mean do people really think their porn habits are being monitored...and by who? Government agent Gerald the office oddbod who has been assigned to the basement to monitor the mucky habits of the Fab Forum members? Poor Gerald is all I can say! He deserves a pay raise for that

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By *issilia AmoriWoman 46 weeks ago

North Welsh Borders


"Fuck me this escalated.....all over porn being blocked!!!! Quite sad actually no one is really debate the porn or age aspects it's the freedom and collection of personal data and what that can lead to that people are debating

Personal data collection has always been a thing though, this is why we have GDPR and that still applies does it not?

It damn well better, I have to do the course annually 🤦‍♂️🤣😂"

Me too!! My work life revolves around it! And bloody Safeguarding, but apparently I know nothing about that either

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By (user no longer on site) 46 weeks ago

I wish my internet spy worked harder on my Pornhub FYP

Ps; thank you internet spy if you're reading this

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By *ophieslutTV/TS 46 weeks ago
Forum Mod

Central


"I think it's funny how all the DO gooders are resorting to insults instead of backing up their stance with factual arguments. It so easy to call someone a crackpot, tinfoil hatter, nutter etc than actually backing your point up isn't it. Don't forget how a few years ago they were going to force people to have experimental gene therapy treatments despite people's personal choices "

What experimental gene therapy treatment was to be forced on people?

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By *rPunxMan 46 weeks ago

Hull


"I think it's funny how all the DO gooders are resorting to insults instead of backing up their stance with factual arguments. It so easy to call someone a crackpot, tinfoil hatter, nutter etc than actually backing your point up isn't it. Don't forget how a few years ago they were going to force people to have experimental gene therapy treatments despite people's personal choices

What experimental gene therapy treatment was to be forced on people? "

the mrna jab.

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By *aFemmeCoquetteWoman 46 weeks ago

Somewhere in the middle not the.....


"I think it's funny how all the DO gooders are resorting to insults instead of backing up their stance with factual arguments. It so easy to call someone a crackpot, tinfoil hatter, nutter etc than actually backing your point up isn't it. Don't forget how a few years ago they were going to force people to have experimental gene therapy treatments despite people's personal choices

What experimental gene therapy treatment was to be forced on people? the mrna jab."

Which is not gene therapy 🙄

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By *rPunxMan 46 weeks ago

Hull


"Fuck me this escalated.....all over porn being blocked!!!! Quite sad actually no one is really debate the porn or age aspects it's the freedom and collection of personal data and what that can lead to that people are debating

Personal data collection has always been a thing though, this is why we have GDPR and that still applies does it not?

I want to know what everyone is watching that they're so scared of it coming out

Me too! Seems an awful lot of knots in knickers over it....

I mean do people really think their porn habits are being monitored...and by who? Government agent Gerald the office oddbod who has been assigned to the basement to monitor the mucky habits of the Fab Forum members? Poor Gerald is all I can say! He deserves a pay raise for that

"

you would be surprised what government officials get up too. Look up operation 'midnight caller' an experiment where the ciao got sex workers to dose punters with lsd then try and get them to tell them their darkest secrets while a cia operative watched behind a two way mirror.

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By *rPunxMan 46 weeks ago

Hull


"I think it's funny how all the DO gooders are resorting to insults instead of backing up their stance with factual arguments. It so easy to call someone a crackpot, tinfoil hatter, nutter etc than actually backing your point up isn't it. Don't forget how a few years ago they were going to force people to have experimental gene therapy treatments despite people's personal choices

What experimental gene therapy treatment was to be forced on people? the mrna jab.

Which is not gene therapy 🙄"

that's what it was originally designed to be by the guy who invented it.

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By (user no longer on site) 46 weeks ago

What the fuck happened in here?

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By *aFemmeCoquetteWoman 46 weeks ago

Somewhere in the middle not the.....


"I think it's funny how all the DO gooders are resorting to insults instead of backing up their stance with factual arguments. It so easy to call someone a crackpot, tinfoil hatter, nutter etc than actually backing your point up isn't it. Don't forget how a few years ago they were going to force people to have experimental gene therapy treatments despite people's personal choices

What experimental gene therapy treatment was to be forced on people? the mrna jab.

Which is not gene therapy 🙄that's what it was originally designed to be by the guy who invented it."

Dear lord I give up 🙄

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By *ust RachelTV/TS 46 weeks ago

Crawley Down

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By *ust RachelTV/TS 46 weeks ago

Crawley Down

Considering me abd my mates used to access porn sites online, when we were 14/15 years old. We coild access anything and everything that we could find or think of, it is nice to know that kids today won't be allowed to access those sites.

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By (user no longer on site) 46 weeks ago

Oh how I wish people would experiment on me, don't threaten me with a good time

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By *rPunxMan 46 weeks ago

Hull


"I think it's funny how all the DO gooders are resorting to insults instead of backing up their stance with factual arguments. It so easy to call someone a crackpot, tinfoil hatter, nutter etc than actually backing your point up isn't it. Don't forget how a few years ago they were going to force people to have experimental gene therapy treatments despite people's personal choices

What experimental gene therapy treatment was to be forced on people? the mrna jab.

Which is not gene therapy 🙄that's what it was originally designed to be by the guy who invented it.

Dear lord I give up 🙄"

Ribonucleic acid (RNA) therapy has been extensively researched for several decades and has garnered significant attention in recent years owing to its potential in treating a broad spectrum of diseases. It falls under the domain of gene therapy, leveraging RNA molecules as a therapeutic approach in medicine.

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By *rPunxMan 46 weeks ago

Hull

The m part stands for messenger. This is how you tell the cells to produce certain types of dna.

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By *issilia AmoriWoman 46 weeks ago

North Welsh Borders


"Fuck me this escalated.....all over porn being blocked!!!! Quite sad actually no one is really debate the porn or age aspects it's the freedom and collection of personal data and what that can lead to that people are debating

Personal data collection has always been a thing though, this is why we have GDPR and that still applies does it not?

I want to know what everyone is watching that they're so scared of it coming out

Me too! Seems an awful lot of knots in knickers over it....

I mean do people really think their porn habits are being monitored...and by who? Government agent Gerald the office oddbod who has been assigned to the basement to monitor the mucky habits of the Fab Forum members? Poor Gerald is all I can say! He deserves a pay raise for that

you would be surprised what government officials get up too. Look up operation 'midnight caller' an experiment where the ciao got sex workers to dose punters with lsd then try and get them to tell them their darkest secrets while a cia operative watched behind a two way mirror. "

Are you seriously comparing a CIA experiment that took place in the 60's on America to non existent GA Gerald sifting through porn? 😂

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By *parkle1974Woman 46 weeks ago

Leeds


"What the fuck happened in here?"

I think some have been affected by gene therapy 🤣🤣

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By *rPunxMan 46 weeks ago

Hull

But hey I'm just some crackpot,nut job, tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist who doesn't know what he's talking about.

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By *issilia AmoriWoman 46 weeks ago

North Welsh Borders


"Oh how I wish people would experiment on me, don't threaten me with a good time"

I have rubber gloves and a brand new sink plunger

Owbowdat?

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By *estructionDollyWoman 46 weeks ago

Manchester

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By *aFemmeCoquetteWoman 46 weeks ago

Somewhere in the middle not the.....


"I think it's funny how all the DO gooders are resorting to insults instead of backing up their stance with factual arguments. It so easy to call someone a crackpot, tinfoil hatter, nutter etc than actually backing your point up isn't it. Don't forget how a few years ago they were going to force people to have experimental gene therapy treatments despite people's personal choices

What experimental gene therapy treatment was to be forced on people? the mrna jab.

Which is not gene therapy 🙄that's what it was originally designed to be by the guy who invented it.

Dear lord I give up 🙄Ribonucleic acid (RNA) therapy has been extensively researched for several decades and has garnered significant attention in recent years owing to its potential in treating a broad spectrum of diseases. It falls under the domain of gene therapy, leveraging RNA molecules as a therapeutic approach in medicine."

As we are quoting

'The mRNA from the vaccines does not enter the cell nucleus or interact with the DNA at all, so it does not constitute gene therapy'

Can we get back on to the original subject if the thread, I've wasted too many years hearing the same old droll.

You have your opinion, everyone else has theirs what your talking about now is not relevant to the thread

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By *rPunxMan 46 weeks ago

Hull


"

Are you seriously comparing a CIA experiment that took place in the 60's on America to non existent GA Gerald sifting through porn? 😂"

I'm saying don't underestimate what government officials get up too.

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By *issilia AmoriWoman 46 weeks ago

North Welsh Borders


"

Are you seriously comparing a CIA experiment that took place in the 60's on America to non existent GA Gerald sifting through porn? 😂 I'm saying don't underestimate what government officials get up too. "

And I am saying I doubt anyone has the time or inclination to go sifting through peoples porn searches 😂

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By *rPunxMan 46 weeks ago

Hull

Ok but to the original part of the post. Be a responsible parent and teach your kids not to watch. Everyone is shouting about kids and porn but I Don't hear anyone saying anything about teenagers carrying knifes and selling narcs

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By *aFemmeCoquetteWoman 46 weeks ago

Somewhere in the middle not the.....


"Ok but to the original part of the post. Be a responsible parent and teach your kids not to watch. Everyone is shouting about kids and porn but I Don't hear anyone saying anything about teenagers carrying knifes and selling narcs"

Ever heard of the knife angel project?

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By *ife NinjaMan 46 weeks ago

Dunfermline/Leeds

Lock down had some serious effects on some people's propensity to believe conspiracy theories.

As an experiment, I logged into the rodent site. Easy. Didn't hold any data, and if it did, it's nothing that isn't on here, my socials, or held on probably thousands of bits of paper and databases since my birth. Fucking get on with life, it's getting shorter by the minute 🤓

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By *parkle1974Woman 46 weeks ago

Leeds


"Ok but to the original part of the post. Be a responsible parent and teach your kids not to watch. Everyone is shouting about kids and porn but I Don't hear anyone saying anything about teenagers carrying knifes and selling narcs"

Again nothing to do with the original topic

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By *rPunxMan 46 weeks ago

Hull

Child safety has been the argument for the bill

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By (user no longer on site) 46 weeks ago


"I think it's funny how all the DO gooders are resorting to insults instead of backing up their stance with factual arguments. It so easy to call someone a crackpot, tinfoil hatter, nutter etc than actually backing your point up isn't it. Don't forget how a few years ago they were going to force people to have experimental gene therapy treatments despite people's personal choices

What experimental gene therapy treatment was to be forced on people? the mrna jab.

Which is not gene therapy 🙄that's what it was originally designed to be by the guy who invented it."

Now you’re just spreading misinformation. Which guy are you referring to, just to be clear? Shedloads of people have been involved in researching this over the years as is the way with most science stuff. Referring to one early researcher as the inventor and treating his personal opinion as gospel isn’t how science works, albeit I’m no expert! Before I dismiss you as a conspiracy theorist echo chamber I want to check we are thinking about the same person.

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By *aFemmeCoquetteWoman 46 weeks ago

Somewhere in the middle not the.....


"Lock down had some serious effects on some people's propensity to believe conspiracy theories.

As an experiment, I logged into the rodent site. Easy. Didn't hold any data, and if it did, it's nothing that isn't on here, my socials, or held on probably thousands of bits of paper and databases since my birth. Fucking get on with life, it's getting shorter by the minute 🤓"

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