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By *iver78 OP Man 3 days ago
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Is it me or does anyone else agree the youth of today ( 30 and under ) have a poor work ethic ?
Don't get me.wrong there some great young lads ( can't comment on women ) as i dont work with any ,but it just seems there attitude to a days work for a days pay is poor |
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I found the generation that would be early 30s now very hard to work with.
But I have found the ones coming up now (mid 20s) to be less workshy and more in touch with real life.
That's just my workplace experience. |
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"Not just the youth.....seems since covid its disappeared from a lot of people
I have heard that , I never really stopped over covid and worked with the same gangs "
I didn't either, but fuck me in construction there is a lot of dross who dont give a fuck. A real talent drought who dont have any drive for the job anymore. |
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By *iver78 OP Man 3 days ago
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"I found the generation that would be early 30s now very hard to work with.
But I have found the ones coming up now (mid 20s) to be less workshy and more in touch with real life.
That's just my workplace experience. "
Let's hope so , maybe just a glitch with (.as mentioned) the whole covid thing 🤔 |
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By *iver78 OP Man 3 days ago
barton upon humber |
"Not just the youth.....seems since covid its disappeared from a lot of people
I have heard that , I never really stopped over covid and worked with the same gangs
I didn't either, but fuck me in construction there is a lot of dross who dont give a fuck. A real talent drought who dont have any drive for the job anymore. "
Well.lets hope.it picks up , cos with this AI bollocks if there not super hot at IT there gonna have to learn a hands on skill
Lots of admin jobs etc are soon gonna go !! |
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"The kids coming up to college are a generation of rage baiters. Bunch of little c*nts
Haha , bit harsh , but theres some truth in that lol."
Had a couple of t level students with me this year. The young lass was going places, the lad was too lazy and didn't turn up half the time. |
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No I don't agree. I notice a lot of under 30s working evenings and weekends in low wage jobs while attending college all week. I sat in McDonald's recently and watched a team of 18-25 year olds work their bloody socks off. Individuals might not be too keen on working but that's not age specific, I've worked with some really old skivers and they got very good at it due to years of experience. |
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By *Effy-Woman 3 days ago
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I wouldn't say so. Older generations have been taught that you 'live to work' when it should be the other way around.
I think this generation is less likely to put up with toxic work environments and the expectations of working overtime, sometimes unpaid "because that's what we do here".
I worked in a well known supermarket where I was told by the manager that we all work through our break and just grab a bite to eat when we can. I was whispered about for sitting down in the staff room to eat my lunch. |
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"Is it me or does anyone else agree the youth of today ( 30 and under ) have a poor work ethic ?
Don't get me.wrong there some great young lads ( can't comment on women ) as i dont work with any ,but it just seems there attitude to a days work for a days pay is poor "
Maybe this is due to the issue of work not actually paying well enough anymore.
I feel a lot of young people have lost faith in the belief, that if you work hard you get rewarded accordingly. |
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"... it just seems there attitude to a days work for a days pay is poor
To be fair, for the majority of people, the exchange rate of a day's work for a days pay is poor 💜"
This is also true. Hard work simply does not pay. It is understandable why young people think fuck it, whats the point. |
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By *iver78 OP Man 3 days ago
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"The kids coming up to college are a generation of rage baiters. Bunch of little c*nts
Haha , bit harsh , but theres some truth in that lol.
Had a couple of t level students with me this year. The young lass was going places, the lad was too lazy and didn't turn up half the time. "
Im having the same issue , they want the money just dont wanna work , Iv taken on 4 apprentices this year and down to two and one of them just comes out with the lameist excuses to just not turn up or when he does he just wants to go home , they have to 2 days at maritime collage ( which is pay them to do ) I don't actually have too ,but they just dont go !! |
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"... it just seems there attitude to a days work for a days pay is poor
To be fair, for the majority of people, the exchange rate of a day's work for a days pay is poor 💜
This is also true. Hard work simply does not pay. It is understandable why young people think fuck it, whats the point. "
Hard work in low wage jobs never paid. |
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By *iver78 OP Man 3 days ago
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"No I don't agree. I notice a lot of under 30s working evenings and weekends in low wage jobs while attending college all week. I sat in McDonald's recently and watched a team of 18-25 year olds work their bloody socks off. Individuals might not be too keen on working but that's not age specific, I've worked with some really old skivers and they got very good at it due to years of experience."
I must admit there are some great kids about , and McDonald's isent easy work from.what iv seen |
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"The kids coming up to college are a generation of rage baiters. Bunch of little c*nts
Haha , bit harsh , but theres some truth in that lol.
Had a couple of t level students with me this year. The young lass was going places, the lad was too lazy and didn't turn up half the time. "
This area is well known for having a lot of EHCP students. It’s a low income, high drug use area. One of the highest poverty areas in England I believe.
Bricklaying attracts the non academic kids. I will say that there are a few gems but they are rare. Teaching is not for the faint hearted. |
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By *iver78 OP Man 3 days ago
barton upon humber |
"... it just seems there attitude to a days work for a days pay is poor
To be fair, for the majority of people, the exchange rate of a day's work for a days pay is poor 💜
This is also true. Hard work simply does not pay. It is understandable why young people think fuck it, whats the point.
Hard work in low wage jobs never paid. "
Very very true , but the lads im dealing with are good money !! And a job for life if they get there heads down |
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By *iver78 OP Man 3 days ago
barton upon humber |
"The kids coming up to college are a generation of rage baiters. Bunch of little c*nts
Haha , bit harsh , but theres some truth in that lol.
Had a couple of t level students with me this year. The young lass was going places, the lad was too lazy and didn't turn up half the time.
This area is well known for having a lot of EHCP students. It’s a low income, high drug use area. One of the highest poverty areas in England I believe.
Bricklaying attracts the non academic kids. I will say that there are a few gems but they are rare. Teaching is not for the faint hearted. "
I know I couldent be a teacher !! Or a nurse , must be so dishahearting when your hole job is to help people |
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"... it just seems there attitude to a days work for a days pay is poor
To be fair, for the majority of people, the exchange rate of a day's work for a days pay is poor 💜
This is also true. Hard work simply does not pay. It is understandable why young people think fuck it, whats the point.
Hard work in low wage jobs never paid. "
Hard work in a low paid job worked out very well for me. I learnt how it all works then did it my self 🤑 problem is they are to lazy to work and learn |
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By *iver78 OP Man 3 days ago
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"Couldn't be a teacher. Its bad enough on a construction site working with the children all grown up!"
Have you had the " you can't tell me to do that '
I asked one of if he could pack the lines up ( I even said please ) his reply was thats not my job!!thats what the shore crew do !! All because in fairness they tend to it !! But he knows we do it!! |
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"... it just seems there attitude to a days work for a days pay is poor
To be fair, for the majority of people, the exchange rate of a day's work for a days pay is poor 💜
This is also true. Hard work simply does not pay. It is understandable why young people think fuck it, whats the point.
Hard work in low wage jobs never paid.
Hard work in a low paid job worked out very well for me. I learnt how it all works then did it my self 🤑 problem is they are to lazy to work and learn "
Aye, but what's the point 💜 |
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I dunno.. you can find written reports of the "current young generation" having no work ethic going back thousands of years
Aristotle has some bangers about lazy young people relying on paper because they're not bother clearing their wax slates |
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"Couldn't be a teacher. Its bad enough on a construction site working with the children all grown up!
Have you had the " you can't tell me to do that '
I asked one of if he could pack the lines up ( I even said please ) his reply was thats not my job!!thats what the shore crew do !! All because in fairness they tend to it !! But he knows we do it!! "
Yeah loads, but age has no relevance with this response. Heard it from everyone. Usually when you ask people to clean up their shit. |
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By *iver78 OP Man 3 days ago
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Maybe its the pay ( but I would say mist of us in here started on low pay ! I know I did , when I joined the navy it was one of poorest paid jobs around and you littraly gotntreat like crap , im fully aware times have changed and I know you have to nice to them and treat them fairly , but do think a kick up there arses would do them world of good |
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"... it just seems there attitude to a days work for a days pay is poor
To be fair, for the majority of people, the exchange rate of a day's work for a days pay is poor 💜
This is also true. Hard work simply does not pay. It is understandable why young people think fuck it, whats the point.
Hard work in low wage jobs never paid.
Hard work in a low paid job worked out very well for me. I learnt how it all works then did it my self 🤑 problem is they are to lazy to work and learn "
I've been hearing older people say that since I first started work.
I genuinely don't know if it's worse now than it used to be but in my experience the good outnumber the bad. |
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"... it just seems there attitude to a days work for a days pay is poor
To be fair, for the majority of people, the exchange rate of a day's work for a days pay is poor 💜
This is also true. Hard work simply does not pay. It is understandable why young people think fuck it, whats the point.
Hard work in low wage jobs never paid.
Hard work in a low paid job worked out very well for me. I learnt how it all works then did it my self 🤑 problem is they are to lazy to work and learn
Aye, but what's the point 💜"
Money. They is a lot of money to be made from low paid jobs if you work for your self doing them.
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By *iver78 OP Man 3 days ago
barton upon humber |
"... it just seems there attitude to a days work for a days pay is poor
To be fair, for the majority of people, the exchange rate of a day's work for a days pay is poor 💜
This is also true. Hard work simply does not pay. It is understandable why young people think fuck it, whats the point.
Hard work in low wage jobs never paid.
Hard work in a low paid job worked out very well for me. I learnt how it all works then did it my self 🤑 problem is they are to lazy to work and learn
I've been hearing older people say that since I first started work.
I genuinely don't know if it's worse now than it used to be but in my experience the good outnumber the bad."
Haha , well vwry true , just had an older fella tell me the same , and yes it is true , my dad called me lazy oik many many times , the difference is though I knew I had to work , or id have nothing , |
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By *iver78 OP Man 3 days ago
barton upon humber |
"... it just seems there attitude to a days work for a days pay is poor
To be fair, for the majority of people, the exchange rate of a day's work for a days pay is poor 💜
This is also true. Hard work simply does not pay. It is understandable why young people think fuck it, whats the point.
Hard work in low wage jobs never paid.
Hard work in a low paid job worked out very well for me. I learnt how it all works then did it my self 🤑 problem is they are to lazy to work and learn
Aye, but what's the point 💜
Money. They is a lot of money to be made from low paid jobs if you work for your self doing them.
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Self employed here with 3 businesses !! Left school at 15 with no qualifications , hard work does pay . That is just a fact  |
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At 64, I have semi retired, i have run pubs for many years, and in truth, don't want or need the hassles that came with it, now have a part time job managing a community event space bar with none of the responsibility for the day to day issues, my work ethic is still there, just slowed down |
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By *vaRoseWoman 3 days ago
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"... it just seems there attitude to a days work for a days pay is poor
To be fair, for the majority of people, the exchange rate of a day's work for a days pay is poor 💜
This is also true. Hard work simply does not pay. It is understandable why young people think fuck it, whats the point. "
To add to that many large companies don’t value their staff anymore. The staff are paid a pittance to do a job and whether they do the bare minimum or push themselves there’s no recognition or value to it…. So why bother
Covid, and multiple big firms making massive redundancies also showed staff that they really don’t matter, they’re just a number
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By *iver78 OP Man 3 days ago
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"At 64, I have semi retired, i have run pubs for many years, and in truth, don't want or need the hassles that came with it, now have a part time job managing a community event space bar with none of the responsibility for the day to day issues, my work ethic is still there, just slowed down "
Space bar ? |
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By *avinaTVTV/TS 3 days ago
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Every generation seems to think that "the youngsters today don't know the value of hard work" (tm). I seem recall hearing some version of this when I was one of "the youngsters".
Every generation has an assortment of strivers and skivers. Gen Z will be moaning about Gen AB- or whatever in 20 years' time.
My daughter is 24. Admittedly, because she's a university graduate from a particularly selective top-end university, her peers are who I've been exposed to (no, not like that). They work bloody hard. Now, a lot of them are struggling to find decent work, and it's crushing them. Virtually all of her friends are either in jobs they had to settle for, or are studying further to try to increase their employability. And these are the top-end of the cohort. Who could blame them for being demotivated? I thought I had trouble finding my first job - it was nothing compared to this. My daughter now has a job; not in her dream of the creative industries, but as a project manager. And let me tell you, she is conscientious and works bloody hard, as do her friends; because they really don't want to lose the jobs they've managed to claw their way into.
Let's cut them all some slack.
We were them, once.
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"... it just seems there attitude to a days work for a days pay is poor
To be fair, for the majority of people, the exchange rate of a day's work for a days pay is poor 💜
This is also true. Hard work simply does not pay. It is understandable why young people think fuck it, whats the point.
To add to that many large companies don’t value their staff anymore. The staff are paid a pittance to do a job and whether they do the bare minimum or push themselves there’s no recognition or value to it…. So why bother
Covid, and multiple big firms making massive redundancies also showed staff that they really don’t matter, they’re just a number
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Yeah, that really hasn't helped. Job security isnt really a thing anymore. |
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By *iver78 OP Man 3 days ago
barton upon humber |
"... it just seems there attitude to a days work for a days pay is poor
To be fair, for the majority of people, the exchange rate of a day's work for a days pay is poor 💜
This is also true. Hard work simply does not pay. It is understandable why young people think fuck it, whats the point.
To add to that many large companies don’t value their staff anymore. The staff are paid a pittance to do a job and whether they do the bare minimum or push themselves there’s no recognition or value to it…. So why bother
Covid, and multiple big firms making massive redundancies also showed staff that they really don’t matter, they’re just a number
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Unfortunately covid actually helped me !! And im not a massive company and do go out my to help , and pay well over minimum wage , also help them.buy equipment ( which i dont have to ).I paybyhem for there study days ,
Might just be unlucky with the ones iv had come to me !! |
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By *iver78 OP Man 3 days ago
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"Every generation seems to think that "the youngsters today don't know the value of hard work" (tm). I seem recall hearing some version of this when I was one of "the youngsters".
Every generation has an assortment of strivers and skivers. Gen Z will be moaning about Gen AB- or whatever in 20 years' time.
My daughter is 24. Admittedly, because she's a university graduate from a particularly selective top-end university, her peers are who I've been exposed to (no, not like that). They work bloody hard. Now, a lot of them are struggling to find decent work, and it's crushing them. Virtually all of her friends are either in jobs they had to settle for, or are studying further to try to increase their employability. And these are the top-end of the cohort. Who could blame them for being demotivated? I thought I had trouble finding my first job - it was nothing compared to this. My daughter now has a job; not in her dream of the creative industries, but as a project manager. And let me tell you, she is conscientious and works bloody hard, as do her friends; because they really don't want to lose the jobs they've managed to claw their way into.
Let's cut them all some slack.
We were them, once.
🖤"
Fair point , my lads are 26 25 and 20 , ones in the police one in navy and one at uni , and I must admit there on a uphill. Battle to make a life for themselfs without debt
Still think the one I have is a knob though lol , |
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By *avinaTVTV/TS 3 days ago
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"Every generation seems to think that "the youngsters today don't know the value of hard work" (tm). I seem recall hearing some version of this when I was one of "the youngsters".
Every generation has an assortment of strivers and skivers. Gen Z will be moaning about Gen AB- or whatever in 20 years' time.
My daughter is 24. Admittedly, because she's a university graduate from a particularly selective top-end university, her peers are who I've been exposed to (no, not like that). They work bloody hard. Now, a lot of them are struggling to find decent work, and it's crushing them. Virtually all of her friends are either in jobs they had to settle for, or are studying further to try to increase their employability. And these are the top-end of the cohort. Who could blame them for being demotivated? I thought I had trouble finding my first job - it was nothing compared to this. My daughter now has a job; not in her dream of the creative industries, but as a project manager. And let me tell you, she is conscientious and works bloody hard, as do her friends; because they really don't want to lose the jobs they've managed to claw their way into.
Let's cut them all some slack.
We were them, once.
🖤
Fair point , my lads are 26 25 and 20 , ones in the police one in navy and one at uni , and I must admit there on a uphill. Battle to make a life for themselfs without debt
Still think the one I have is a knob though lol , "
There will always be knobs. |
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"At 64, I have semi retired, i have run pubs for many years, and in truth, don't want or need the hassles that came with it, now have a part time job managing a community event space bar with none of the responsibility for the day to day issues, my work ethic is still there, just slowed down
Space bar ? "
Who holds the hash key? |
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"At 64, I have semi retired, i have run pubs for many years, and in truth, don't want or need the hassles that came with it, now have a part time job managing a community event space bar with none of the responsibility for the day to day issues, my work ethic is still there, just slowed down
Space bar ? "
the bar at an event space, we hold gigs, private events, corporate events, that sort.of thing |
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By *iver78 OP Man 3 days ago
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"Every generation seems to think that "the youngsters today don't know the value of hard work" (tm). I seem recall hearing some version of this when I was one of "the youngsters".
Every generation has an assortment of strivers and skivers. Gen Z will be moaning about Gen AB- or whatever in 20 years' time.
My daughter is 24. Admittedly, because she's a university graduate from a particularly selective top-end university, her peers are who I've been exposed to (no, not like that). They work bloody hard. Now, a lot of them are struggling to find decent work, and it's crushing them. Virtually all of her friends are either in jobs they had to settle for, or are studying further to try to increase their employability. And these are the top-end of the cohort. Who could blame them for being demotivated? I thought I had trouble finding my first job - it was nothing compared to this. My daughter now has a job; not in her dream of the creative industries, but as a project manager. And let me tell you, she is conscientious and works bloody hard, as do her friends; because they really don't want to lose the jobs they've managed to claw their way into.
Let's cut them all some slack.
We were them, once.
🖤
Fair point , my lads are 26 25 and 20 , ones in the police one in navy and one at uni , and I must admit there on a uphill. Battle to make a life for themselfs without debt
Still think the one I have is a knob though lol ,
There will always be knobs."
But iv had 4 Davina lol. |
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"... it just seems there attitude to a days work for a days pay is poor
To be fair, for the majority of people, the exchange rate of a day's work for a days pay is poor 💜
This is also true. Hard work simply does not pay. It is understandable why young people think fuck it, whats the point.
Hard work in low wage jobs never paid.
Hard work in a low paid job worked out very well for me. I learnt how it all works then did it my self 🤑 problem is they are to lazy to work and learn
Aye, but what's the point 💜
Money. They is a lot of money to be made from low paid jobs if you work for your self doing them.
Self employed here with 3 businesses !! Left school at 15 with no qualifications , hard work does pay . That is just a fact "
I live very comfortable while the people I now doing the same work struggle just not willing to put the effort in |
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By *avinaTVTV/TS 3 days ago
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"Every generation seems to think that "the youngsters today don't know the value of hard work" (tm). I seem recall hearing some version of this when I was one of "the youngsters".
Every generation has an assortment of strivers and skivers. Gen Z will be moaning about Gen AB- or whatever in 20 years' time.
My daughter is 24. Admittedly, because she's a university graduate from a particularly selective top-end university, her peers are who I've been exposed to (no, not like that). They work bloody hard. Now, a lot of them are struggling to find decent work, and it's crushing them. Virtually all of her friends are either in jobs they had to settle for, or are studying further to try to increase their employability. And these are the top-end of the cohort. Who could blame them for being demotivated? I thought I had trouble finding my first job - it was nothing compared to this. My daughter now has a job; not in her dream of the creative industries, but as a project manager. And let me tell you, she is conscientious and works bloody hard, as do her friends; because they really don't want to lose the jobs they've managed to claw their way into.
Let's cut them all some slack.
We were them, once.
🖤
Fair point , my lads are 26 25 and 20 , ones in the police one in navy and one at uni , and I must admit there on a uphill. Battle to make a life for themselfs without debt
Still think the one I have is a knob though lol ,
There will always be knobs.
But iv had 4 Davina lol."
Maybe you're a lightning rod for knobs. 😄
Now you know how women on Fab feel. 🤣 |
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By *iver78 OP Man 3 days ago
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"At 64, I have semi retired, i have run pubs for many years, and in truth, don't want or need the hassles that came with it, now have a part time job managing a community event space bar with none of the responsibility for the day to day issues, my work ethic is still there, just slowed down
Space bar ? the bar at an event space, we hold gigs, private events, corporate events, that sort.of thing"
Hargh I see , good on you that must be hard work  but I get the no responsibility thing |
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By *iver78 OP Man 3 days ago
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"Every generation seems to think that "the youngsters today don't know the value of hard work" (tm). I seem recall hearing some version of this when I was one of "the youngsters".
Every generation has an assortment of strivers and skivers. Gen Z will be moaning about Gen AB- or whatever in 20 years' time.
My daughter is 24. Admittedly, because she's a university graduate from a particularly selective top-end university, her peers are who I've been exposed to (no, not like that). They work bloody hard. Now, a lot of them are struggling to find decent work, and it's crushing them. Virtually all of her friends are either in jobs they had to settle for, or are studying further to try to increase their employability. And these are the top-end of the cohort. Who could blame them for being demotivated? I thought I had trouble finding my first job - it was nothing compared to this. My daughter now has a job; not in her dream of the creative industries, but as a project manager. And let me tell you, she is conscientious and works bloody hard, as do her friends; because they really don't want to lose the jobs they've managed to claw their way into.
Let's cut them all some slack.
We were them, once.
🖤
Fair point , my lads are 26 25 and 20 , ones in the police one in navy and one at uni , and I must admit there on a uphill. Battle to make a life for themselfs without debt
Still think the one I have is a knob though lol ,
There will always be knobs.
But iv had 4 Davina lol.
Maybe you're a lightning rod for knobs. 😄
Now you know how women on Fab feel. 🤣"
Haha , maybe lol , but he never sends dick pics thank God, just excuses to not come to work lol |
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Seen too many young lads from agencies come and go. They go through the induction stage, get trained, do the job with zero passion or desire to even be there and within a few weeks they just don't show up anymore. I've also seen middle aged guys who complain to everyone about the workload and issues with pay and then they just suddenly leave, and I've seen elderly guys who were overly sensitive to minor remarks and criticisms made by the boss and then they just leave. I've said to my boss many times that we should have an new employee deposit. If new starts paid £100 on their first day as a guarantee to stay longer than 6 weeks then the money will be returned, and if they quit within 6 weeks they lose the money. At least it gives us a little reassurance that new starts will put long term commitment in their work and get through the bumps and hurdles that naturally occur in those first weeks. |
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By *iver78 OP Man 3 days ago
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"Seen too many young lads from agencies come and go. They go through the induction stage, get trained, do the job with zero passion or desire to even be there and within a few weeks they just don't show up anymore. I've also seen middle aged guys who complain to everyone about the workload and issues with pay and then they just suddenly leave, and I've seen elderly guys who were overly sensitive to minor remarks and criticisms made by the boss and then they just leave. I've said to my boss many times that we should have an new employee deposit. If new starts paid £100 on their first day as a guarantee to stay longer than 6 weeks then the money will be returned, and if they quit within 6 weeks they lose the money. At least it gives us a little reassurance that new starts will put long term commitment in their work and get through the bumps and hurdles that naturally occur in those first weeks."
Bring back conscription ,
That's a joke before I get jumped on lol
Wouldent work anyway!! They would just claim your being unfair |
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"Every generation seems to think that "the youngsters today don't know the value of hard work" (tm). I seem recall hearing some version of this when I was one of "the youngsters".
Every generation has an assortment of strivers and skivers. Gen Z will be moaning about Gen AB- or whatever in 20 years' time.
My daughter is 24. Admittedly, because she's a university graduate from a particularly selective top-end university, her peers are who I've been exposed to (no, not like that). They work bloody hard. Now, a lot of them are struggling to find decent work, and it's crushing them. Virtually all of her friends are either in jobs they had to settle for, or are studying further to try to increase their employability. And these are the top-end of the cohort. Who could blame them for being demotivated? I thought I had trouble finding my first job - it was nothing compared to this. My daughter now has a job; not in her dream of the creative industries, but as a project manager. And let me tell you, she is conscientious and works bloody hard, as do her friends; because they really don't want to lose the jobs they've managed to claw their way into.
Let's cut them all some slack.
We were them, once.
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It’s definitely not all of them but I do think it’s common for Gen Z to have a ‘couldn’t give a fuck’ attitude when it comes to work and putting the effort in. They don’t seem to have any sense of obligation or need to please, which I suppose has its pros and cons. I’m a millennial and think I care far too much about work and wish I could switch off. |
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By *iver78 OP Man 3 days ago
barton upon humber |
"It’s definitely not all of them but I do think it’s common for Gen Z to have a ‘couldn’t give a fuck’ attitude when it comes to work and putting the effort in. They don’t seem to have any sense of obligation or need to please, which I suppose has its pros and cons. I’m a millennial and think I care far too much about work and wish I could switch off. "
This is also true, |
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By *avinaTVTV/TS 3 days ago
Transsexual Transylvania |
"Seen too many young lads from agencies come and go. They go through the induction stage, get trained, do the job with zero passion or desire to even be there and within a few weeks they just don't show up anymore. I've also seen middle aged guys who complain to everyone about the workload and issues with pay and then they just suddenly leave, and I've seen elderly guys who were overly sensitive to minor remarks and criticisms made by the boss and then they just leave. I've said to my boss many times that we should have an new employee deposit. If new starts paid £100 on their first day as a guarantee to stay longer than 6 weeks then the money will be returned, and if they quit within 6 weeks they lose the money. At least it gives us a little reassurance that new starts will put long term commitment in their work and get through the bumps and hurdles that naturally occur in those first weeks.
Bring back conscription ,
That's a joke before I get jumped on lol
Wouldent work anyway!! They would just claim your being unfair "
As a conscript, I'm glad that was a joke.🤨 |
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By *avinaTVTV/TS 3 days ago
Transsexual Transylvania |
"It’s definitely not all of them but I do think it’s common for Gen Z to have a ‘couldn’t give a fuck’ attitude when it comes to work and putting the effort in. They don’t seem to have any sense of obligation or need to please, which I suppose has its pros and cons. I’m a millennial and think I care far too much about work and wish I could switch off. "
And 18 years ago, when I was your age now, everyone was moaning about how lazy and work-shy Millenials were. And so the cycle continues. |
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"Not just the youth.....seems since covid its disappeared from a lot of people"
Ye. I used to do loads of work, more than what my job required. Now I won't even work overtime even though I keep getting a bollocking for not doing so |
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When I entered the world of work in the 80's, everything seemed shiny and positive. I saw opportunity everywhere.
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There were small companies, medium sized companies and large companies.
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As the 90's hove in to view, I experienced a change in the medium and large sized companies. It wasn't just one factor, but several that I noticed and experienced.
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Overseas acquisitions was one. A company that had been built up from the ground, saw the directors selling out, cashing in, and handing the company to an unknown entity across the pond. With it came an element of "corprification" and different working styles. Styles that favoured the bottom line and shareholder return about everything else.
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Another factor was offshoring and the chase for cheaper labour.
Other factors exist of course, but those two essentially said to the workforce, "You are disposable and we owe you no loyalty". It's end-stage capitalism, essentially where the only thing that matters is shareholder dividend.
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Little wonder many modern workforces today are disenfranchised and unmotivated in their roles. |
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"Is it me or does anyone else agree the youth of today ( 30 and under ) have a poor work ethic ?
Don't get me.wrong there some great young lads ( can't comment on women ) as i dont work with any ,but it just seems there attitude to a days work for a days pay is poor "
I agree. It's something I've noticed over the years. People coming into the workforce don't seem to have resilience anymore or a strong work ethic. They come from Schools or Colleges unprepared for a real life working environment. |
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Dude, don’t get me started… trying to find young candidates to train and eventually changed recruitment to find those that are 35+ as we could just not deal with the drama.
Not to be too political but with the new labour laws brought in by the Labour Fucktards… you have to be so careful who you employ or you are stuck with incompetence and work ethics that are very costly to divest. |
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By *inaTitzTV/TS 3 days ago
Titz Towers, North Notts |
You can go back as far as you like in history and you'll find people complaining that the present generation are idle, have it easy, won't fight for their country, aren't as good as the generation of the people doing the complaining.
To me, this makes it sound like older people just like to complain about other people and cherry pick/remember the things that suit and don't notice anything else. |
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By *ydaz70Man 3 days ago
Rotherham /newquay |
"Is it me or does anyone else agree the youth of today ( 30 and under ) have a poor work ethic ?
Don't get me.wrong there some great young lads ( can't comment on women ) as i dont work with any ,but it just seems there attitude to a days work for a days pay is poor "
I find the ones I have contact with are great hard working people but what I have found is the priorities are different no probs traveling miles for a burger because it's on tick tok or paying over the top for a meal but don't want to spend money on fixing there car. |
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By *4bimMan 3 days ago
Farnborough Hampshire |
the problem isnt the youth or youn that are getting into the workplace.
its the employer who offers nothing to them.
poor wages and high expectation from an emplyer who adds on task after task outside what your contracted to do or you face the sack.
rent and house prices are out of reach and they know they will never have a job that provides a good income and pension like people had back in the 70s, 80s and 90s.
so why would they bother?
why bust your gut for an ungrateful employer who awards themselves bonuses, cars etc while the employee who makes his/her money is lucky to get 3% rise if that, a poor pension, no sick pay and long hours just to pay the rent let alone the extra bills.
this is why they arent bothering. and i dont blame them. |
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"Is it me or does anyone else agree the youth of today ( 30 and under ) have a poor work ethic ?
Don't get me.wrong there some great young lads ( can't comment on women ) as i dont work with any ,but it just seems there attitude to a days work for a days pay is poor "
Why do you think there has been a massive switch, let's look at a 30 year old, left school 14 years ago and went into the cruel world, at this time the country was in authority and the government of the day was making most go onto zero hour contracts and agencies took over the role of supplying the workforce, agencies exploited immigrants and could make more money on a immigrant then came brexit and illegals with many getting the necessary paperwork to work, all this drove wages down and never gave our youth the incentive to work, in my line of work I see many youngsters who are good grafters because they earn a good wage. |
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"the problem isnt the youth or youn that are getting into the workplace.
its the employer who offers nothing to them.
poor wages and high expectation from an emplyer who adds on task after task outside what your contracted to do or you face the sack.
rent and house prices are out of reach and they know they will never have a job that provides a good income and pension like people had back in the 70s, 80s and 90s.
so why would they bother?
why bust your gut for an ungrateful employer who awards themselves bonuses, cars etc while the employee who makes his/her money is lucky to get 3% rise if that, a poor pension, no sick pay and long hours just to pay the rent let alone the extra bills.
this is why they arent bothering. and i dont blame them."
I agree with this. Effort used to somewhat equal reward but now it makes no difference so why would they bother. A lot of people are financially screwed no matter how hard they work. |
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I'm in my 30's. I used to be such a hard worker. I'd always go above and beyond. I was taught if you do your job and more you'll get noticed. You will be valued. That was a lie.
There is no job security. No such thing as a job for life. The wages are not enough to buy a house and start a family (if someone wanted to). Most of my generation will never own a home and will probably rent or stay with family for a very long time. The milestones my parents and grandparents had are completely out of reach.
There isn't much incentive to work hard. We are not valued. We are just a number. Everyone gets paid the same no matter how hard we work. We're supposed to work until retirement and then we get a piss poor pension.
We know we are screwed. So are Gen Z and the ones after them and after them. So now I work to get paid, I do the bare minimum. Then I enjoy my life outside of work. The 9-5 grind is a scam. Adult life is a scam. Life is for living.
Consecutive governments have made poor choices which have destroyed our prospects and the opportunities for us to grow and thrive. I don't blame immigrants, refugees or asylum seekers. I blame our government. Politics is a big joke. Except the joke is on us (the public). |
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"Bring back conscription
Are you joining ? You are under 50 so fine for it 
If they took me I'd be in"
You can join the reserves at anytime you know right. The raf reserves has great roles for qrf / gunners / engineers and they recruit right up into early 50 |
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In my experience they are pretty ok as long as you can separate them from their phones. Used to have guys that thought it made them look busy, or acted like it was a shield of invisibility.
The other aspect is that, as a manager, I also have to take responsibility for communicating in a way that they act upon what I am asking.
Remember they are a product of older generation's parenting and education. We created the society that enabled it. |
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By *inaTitzTV/TS 3 days ago
Titz Towers, North Notts |
"Bring back conscription
Are you joining ? You are under 50 so fine for it
If they took me I'd be in
You can join the reserves at anytime you know right. The raf reserves has great roles for qrf / gunners / engineers and they recruit right up into early 50"
Let's see him put his money where his mouth is. |
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"I'm in my 30's. I used to be such a hard worker. I'd always go above and beyond. I was taught if you do your job and more you'll get noticed. You will be valued. That was a lie.
There is no job security. No such thing as a job for life. The wages are not enough to buy a house and start a family (if someone wanted to). Most of my generation will never own a home and will probably rent or stay with family for a very long time. The milestones my parents and grandparents had are completely out of reach.
There isn't much incentive to work hard. We are not valued. We are just a number. Everyone gets paid the same no matter how hard we work. We're supposed to work until retirement and then we get a piss poor pension.
We know we are screwed. So are Gen Z and the ones after them and after them. So now I work to get paid, I do the bare minimum. Then I enjoy my life outside of work. The 9-5 grind is a scam. Adult life is a scam. Life is for living.
Consecutive governments have made poor choices which have destroyed our prospects and the opportunities for us to grow and thrive. I don't blame immigrants, refugees or asylum seekers. I blame our government. Politics is a big joke. Except the joke is on us (the public)."
I couldn’t agree more. It’s not just limited to your age and younger. Those of us who have gone through a divorce are screwed too. We can’t even get help with a buy half the house scheme |
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"Bring back conscription
Are you joining ? You are under 50 so fine for it
If they took me I'd be in
You can join the reserves at anytime you know right. The raf reserves has great roles for qrf / gunners / engineers and they recruit right up into early 50"
Just avoid the mortar platoon
*unless you have surprise compulsory pegging in your preferences* 🤣🤣 |
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"I'm in my 30's. I used to be such a hard worker. I'd always go above and beyond. I was taught if you do your job and more you'll get noticed. You will be valued. That was a lie.
There is no job security. No such thing as a job for life. The wages are not enough to buy a house and start a family (if someone wanted to). Most of my generation will never own a home and will probably rent or stay with family for a very long time. The milestones my parents and grandparents had are completely out of reach.
There isn't much incentive to work hard. We are not valued. We are just a number. Everyone gets paid the same no matter how hard we work. We're supposed to work until retirement and then we get a piss poor pension.
We know we are screwed. So are Gen Z and the ones after them and after them. So now I work to get paid, I do the bare minimum. Then I enjoy my life outside of work. The 9-5 grind is a scam. Adult life is a scam. Life is for living.
Consecutive governments have made poor choices which have destroyed our prospects and the opportunities for us to grow and thrive. I don't blame immigrants, refugees or asylum seekers. I blame our government. Politics is a big joke. Except the joke is on us (the public)."
Pretty much my sentiments exactly! 👏 |
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"Bring back conscription
Are you joining ? You are under 50 so fine for it
If they took me I'd be in
You can join the reserves at anytime you know right. The raf reserves has great roles for qrf / gunners / engineers and they recruit right up into early 50"
Really!! I'm going to look into that. Thanks for the heads up, that's really good information 👍 |
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30 years ago a deposit for a house was around an eighth of the annual income, like twelve and a half percent. Now it's just shy of 80%.
Meanwhile rent has gone from around 25% of income to little over 40%.
It used to be you could work hard and buy your home and live your life.
Nowadays many people are working to stay afloat and have no illusion of ever escaping the rat race, of home ownership, of being able to retire and enjoy their older years in peace after a life of working hard to get there.
I was one of that generation that had all the promises and when it came to being an actual adult that economy was no longer there to support the life that was envisioned when we were little.
I have no problem with gen Z or anyone rejecting the system. I used to work my arse off because that's the way I was raised and it took a long time for the reality to set in. I would not own my home if I had relied on the salary of jobs I gave my all to.
Employers are rarely there to support you. For sure, there are some good eggs out there, but to assume that any employer actually has your back from the outset is pure naivety 💜 |
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By *iver78 OP Man 3 days ago
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"I'm in my 30's. I used to be such a hard worker. I'd always go above and beyond. I was taught if you do your job and more you'll get noticed. You will be valued. That was a lie.
There is no job security. No such thing as a job for life. The wages are not enough to buy a house and start a family (if someone wanted to). Most of my generation will never own a home and will probably rent or stay with family for a very long time. The milestones my parents and grandparents had are completely out of reach.
There isn't much incentive to work hard. We are not valued. We are just a number. Everyone gets paid the same no matter how hard we work. We're supposed to work until retirement and then we get a piss poor pension.
We know we are screwed. So are Gen Z and the ones after them and after them. So now I work to get paid, I do the bare minimum. Then I enjoy my life outside of work. The 9-5 grind is a scam. Adult life is a scam. Life is for living.
Consecutive governments have made poor choices which have destroyed our prospects and the opportunities for us to grow and thrive. I don't blame immigrants, refugees or asylum seekers. I blame our government. Politics is a big joke. Except the joke is on us (the public)."
I do agree with this i do worry that people won't ve able to but there own home , never get on the ladder and chuck out ridiculously high amounts of money on rents , the retirement age also keeps going up !! I stay clear of politics as I know nothing about it , or zero hour contracts and my post was originally to see if it was a trend , and it appears it isent , im just unlucky with my experience lol , |
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By *iver78 OP Man 3 days ago
barton upon humber |
"Bring back conscription
Are you joining ? You are under 50 so fine for it
If they took me I'd be in
You can join the reserves at anytime you know right. The raf reserves has great roles for qrf / gunners / engineers and they recruit right up into early 50
Really!! I'm going to look into that. Thanks for the heads up, that's really good information 👍"
I served from from 17 to 35 and would love to go back , never wanted to leave in the first place lol |
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By *iver78 OP Man 3 days ago
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"Bring back conscription
Are you joining ? You are under 50 so fine for it "
I would still be serving but I got a medical discharge after an accident ,
I still have some involvement with the cadets bit they've even made that difficult with th red tape brigade |
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I think there’s always been a portion who can’t be bothered grafting in every generation, I know people I left school with probably haven’t done a year total
Of wotk if it was all added together
The last lad I had working for me was only 29 and he was a fucking lazy slob I’ve never known such a sack less, unmotivated want everthing easy and on a plate sack of shit in all my life and I think it’s from having everything ower easy but I can also see the reason they have no motivation these days even I think sometimes why the fuck bother |
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Ive worked with plenty of different age groups and there are certainly lazy ones in each age group, ive recently been working with some younger than me and we have grafted but previous to that was working with someone twice my age and he was as good as a chocolate teapot, so definitely depends on the person. |
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"Bring back conscription
Are you joining ? You are under 50 so fine for it
If they took me I'd be in
You can join the reserves at anytime you know right. The raf reserves has great roles for qrf / gunners / engineers and they recruit right up into early 50
Really!! I'm going to look into that. Thanks for the heads up, that's really good information 👍"
Be aware though that the Strategic Reserve (Recall) age limit has been changed to 65! So if the shit hits the fan you will be sucking on a Werther’s as you go into battle!  |
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I think the “youth” have always been thought of as lazy and ill disciplined by their elders. I remember my grandad talking about how the older generation looked down on his generation despite the fact he fought in ww2. I remember being told the same thing when I was young.
I think some people in any generation are naturally lazy. Others aren’t. The lazy ones won’t go anywhere in life and those who work will do well. |
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I think everyone’s work ethic has gone to shit if I’m being honest, not just the younger generation.
Although to be fair I understand it. The pros of working hard used to get you somewhere. Not these days. |
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I can't agree with the broad generality of the OP original premise, but I know what you mean.
There are youngsters like, and they do seem to be more in number than previously, but there are also a lot of youngsters in my work (I'm a Civil Servant in an office) that work well and are clearly going places.
The things I notice is that there's a a different approach to things from those in their early to mid-twenties a lot of the time, where they aren't necessarily work-shy, but they often don't seem to understand the extent of their responsibilities, and often seem lackadaisical in comparison to people in their late 20s and up.
Capacity for independent problem solving and critical thinking are the two things that jump out to the most with them. There's a noticeable lack of it in a lot of the younger ones. |
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"Bring back conscription
Are you joining ? You are under 50 so fine for it
If they took me I'd be in
You can join the reserves at anytime you know right. The raf reserves has great roles for qrf / gunners / engineers and they recruit right up into early 50
Really!! I'm going to look into that. Thanks for the heads up, that's really good information 👍
Be aware though that the Strategic Reserve (Recall) age limit has been changed to 65! So if the shit hits the fan you will be sucking on a Werther’s as you go into battle! "
😂😂 |
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Let’s just say it’s not like the old days and sort of agree with the under 30’s range, everyone I’ve taken on don’t seem to want learn, put themselves out or help others, there attitude if so so different in that generation. Whereas 10 years ago i employed as couple of school leavers who were willing to learn help out and go further and to this day still work for me. So yes i think it is the generation of today in some cases |
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I tend to agree, the people my firm take on in the construction industry tend to not want to "earn" their money. I see it everyday. Show up, do as little as possible and get paid. They dont last long with us.
The only thing I would add to the debate though, I'm sure most generations feel that they have a better work ethic than those who follow.
My fathers generation, for example, would say the that my generation were work shy. |
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Is it possible that looking back through the lens of experience and 'learning the hard way' has made some people forget what they were like as under 30 year olds? Nobody starts work understanding and knowing everything, if you're lucky enough to be mentored by someone who encourages rather than criticises or patronises it can be really helpful |
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"... it just seems there attitude to a days work for a days pay is poor
To be fair, for the majority of people, the exchange rate of a day's work for a days pay is poor 💜"
It’s actually very competitive in construction and well above minimum wage |
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It’s complicated now. Before the playing field was a bit more level. Lots more people had a chance of working to get on the property ladder etc.
There seems to be a lot of kids whose parents made a lot of money by exploiting the housing crisis (sorry, ‘investing in property’) who now no longer really need to work hard and build a career, so they go off and study sociology and doss about barely lifting a finger.
At the other end there’s kids whose parents were made poorer by the housing crisis who are struggling to make ends meet and find any opportunity. The higher the taxes the fewer the jobs |
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I lead a team with about 40% under 30 and they work just as hard as anyone else.
What’s really changed is expectations. Younger people focus more on results than sitting at a desk for long hours, and they’re far less willing to tolerate toxic environments, poor pay or unreasonable demands.
There have always been lazy or entitled people in the work place that’s not generational. The difference now is younger workers have better boundaries, and honestly that’s probably a good thing..... I was expected to put up with sexual harassment in my first jobs. |
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I don't think it's just a youth at all.
It's a huge cultural problem in the UK across all ages. I briefly worked in the public sector a few decades ago, and people back then used to make sure they took the maximum annual sick days they were allowed on full pay, they treated it as extra annual leave.
Also work ethic covers a wide range of things including how you treat, role model and speak to younger members of your teams. I've recruited some great young people that have gone onto lead teams and companies.
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"I lead a team with about 40% under 30 and they work just as hard as anyone else.
What’s really changed is expectations. Younger people focus more on results than sitting at a desk for long hours, and they’re far less willing to tolerate toxic environments, poor pay or unreasonable demands.
There have always been lazy or entitled people in the work place that’s not generational. The difference now is younger workers have better boundaries, and honestly that’s probably a good thing..... I was expected to put up with sexual harassment in my first jobs. "
That's so true , well said, I can remember in the 90s openly racist and sexist senior managers were just eye-rolled and tolerated by people. And the culture of being last to leave the office! The best employees are often 1st to leave the office because they get their work done faster than everyone else.
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By *avinaTVTV/TS 3 days ago
Transsexual Transylvania |
"Bring back conscription
Are you joining ? You are under 50 so fine for it
If they took me I'd be in
You can join the reserves at anytime you know right. The raf reserves has great roles for qrf / gunners / engineers and they recruit right up into early 50
Really!! I'm going to look into that. Thanks for the heads up, that's really good information 👍
I served from from 17 to 35 and would love to go back , never wanted to leave in the first place lol "
Wonderful. That's your life choice, and it's clearly worked for you. But your life choice shouldn't be made compulsory for everyone else. X |
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I know a few in the under 30 that are beyond useless when it comes to work, but I know many more people my own age and older who have never worked a day in their life. Not can't work, but won't work.
I hate to generalise when all generations have their bad apples
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You can read many of these arguments - and worded near as dammit the same - between Socrates and Glaucon in Playo, lmao!
Every generation thinks its successor is weak & feckless. Every generation forgets that - if true - it would be their fault as the ones who raised them. |
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Why do older people want younger people to struggle like they did? Maybe we are aware of our rights and don't want to exploited? Maybe we realise our worth? I'm sorry a lot of you had a shitty time but that doesn't mean the younger generation are lazy or anything lmao. |
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By *rishCWoman 3 days ago
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I have lads from 40's to early 20's working for me.
The guys in their 40's have my heart broken. It's like running a creche!
The two lads in their early 20's are great. No BS.. only call me if they have a problem they can't sort themselves. Never ring in sick. |
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Here’s an alternative view. Employers and organisations no longer invest in their young talent as much as they used to.
I’m in my 50s when I was leaving school there were the options of, college, work, an apprenticeship or a yts.
The YTS and apprenticeship routes provided real training, real qualifications and real in the job experience, helped and mentored by experienced people.
I’m my industry I’ve seen both those things slip away and then recently start to come back. I’ve also seen training change from well coordinated, supported and mentored to being chucked a load of online self service courses and told to crack on.
Through extensive mentoring I’ve found that if you’re willing to invest in youngsters their work ethic is superb and they achieve a lot. Work ethic is one part of what is a complex two way relationship, if you don’t offer some sort of motivation and inspiration as an organisation and especially as a leader within an organisation you have no real right to expect everyone to go above and beyond.
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I think the influence of their family also matter more do than the generation, everyone I know who is a bum their parents/family are/were too, and with a few exceptions everyone who has a decent work ethic their parents were hard workers too. Living in a northern ex pit town theres families where every generation is a bum. I don’t believe work ethic can be taught and it is forged during growing up, someone either wants to work or they don’t |
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Nothing makes me more thankful that I went down the route of public employment than hearing 'hard grafters' going on about 'hard graft'. I can't begin to imagine such an existence.
If I were young now, I would opt for sitting in Costa all day with a bottle of water with big white headphones on and soshul meejah on my phone. What's not to like, in comparison with hard graft?
We never had that sort of option when I was young. There was only a handful of places in London where you could go and sit for very long! |
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No, I don't agree. The young(er) people I've worked with in my industry have been great in the main. Clever, keen and hard working.
They have high expectations of their employers but I don't think that's a bad thing. |
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Think this thread is just reenforcing old stereotypes 😕
I manage people ages 21-38 and in an extremely stressful job and their work ethic has been outstanding, they think ahead, plan their day ahead and get stuck in.
Often I tell them to go home at 4:30 on a Friday because they put a lot of work in.
Compare that to my boss, 56 years old, arrives late all the time, swears at people, argues constantly when given the correct advice and is a complete and utterly disgusting individual to be around the difference is night & day. |
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By *ision21Man 2 days ago
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"I wouldn't say so. Older generations have been taught that you 'live to work' when it should be the other way around.
I think this generation is less likely to put up with toxic work environments and the expectations of working overtime, sometimes unpaid "because that's what we do here".
I worked in a well known supermarket where I was told by the manager that we all work through our break and just grab a bite to eat when we can. I was whispered about for sitting down in the staff room to eat my lunch. "
I'm a Union rep and that is against the law.
You're legally entitled to a break. |
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There's plenty of work shy people of all ages ,the ones who are work shy usually have the biggest attitudes as well.
The thing I've noticed with the under 30s ,particularly under 25s you can't tell them anything because apparently they already know everything.
As a tradesman you have to be open to ways of doing things and be prepared to listen to more experienced people.
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By *essTTWoman 2 days ago
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"Is it me or does anyone else agree the youth of today ( 30 and under ) have a poor work ethic ?
Don't get me.wrong there some great young lads ( can't comment on women ) as i dont work with any ,but it just seems there attitude to a days work for a days pay is poor "
All the youngers I know have fantastic work ethics but the way the country is going they probably feel like they have something to prove |
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"There's plenty of work shy people of all ages ,the ones who are work shy usually have the biggest attitudes as well.
The thing I've noticed with the under 30s ,particularly under 25s you can't tell them anything because apparently they already know everything.
As a tradesman you have to be open to ways of doing things and be prepared to listen to more experienced people.
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 I used to have a fridge magnet that said 'kids! Leave home while you still know everything'.
I think we've all suffered from the youngster who thinks because you're older you're obviously using outdated methods. If a job wasn't time critical I used to enjoy letting them find out the hard way.
Mr N used to deal with a lot of apprentices mostly young guys and some of them really thought they knew it all, he had various ways of putting them firmly in their place without being horrible |
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By *ision21Man 2 days ago
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I'm a Union rep and that is against the law.
You're legally entitled to a break.
Everyone should join a Union. "
Agreed. We do a lot to help people in difficult situations with companies.
Add to that member benefits which people don't even know exist.
Without us companies will continue to break the law unchallenged.
Staggering the amount of Managers that don't even know their own policies and the law surrounding it. |
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"In my experience they are pretty ok as long as you can separate them from their phones. Used to have guys that thought it made them look busy, or acted like it was a shield of invisibility.
The other aspect is that, as a manager, I also have to take responsibility for communicating in a way that they act upon what I am asking.
Remember they are a product of older generation's parenting and education. We created the society that enabled it. "
I disagree, we never created it, government policies that took away job security and the use of agencies to provide the work force resulted in what we have today the first stepping stones into work are full of foreign workers, you also have to be 18 to go onto construction sites unless your an apprentice, what we have now is the result of greed, I see kids not working who's dad and grandads where grafters which I believe is built into your DNA |
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"I wouldn't say so. Older generations have been taught that you 'live to work' when it should be the other way around.
I think this generation is less likely to put up with toxic work environments and the expectations of working overtime, sometimes unpaid "because that's what we do here".
I worked in a well known supermarket where I was told by the manager that we all work through our break and just grab a bite to eat when we can. I was whispered about for sitting down in the staff room to eat my lunch.
I'm a Union rep and that is against the law.
You're legally entitled to a break."
Been a long time for me but aren't you allowed a break after something like 4 hours? |
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"I wouldn't say so. Older generations have been taught that you 'live to work' when it should be the other way around.
I think this generation is less likely to put up with toxic work environments and the expectations of working overtime, sometimes unpaid "because that's what we do here".
I worked in a well known supermarket where I was told by the manager that we all work through our break and just grab a bite to eat when we can. I was whispered about for sitting down in the staff room to eat my lunch.
I'm a Union rep and that is against the law.
You're legally entitled to a break. Been a long time for me but aren't you allowed a break after something like 4 hours?"
If you work more than 6 hours you are entitled to a 20 min break...
12 hours you are entitled to 1 hour. |
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I'm 30 years old and have always had a healthy work attitude.
I'm regularly working six days a week at the moment.
I work a physically demanding job and I'm always there in the morning whatever the weather ready to get on with it.
I've a friend who at the age of 30 is pulling 90K a year as an Electrical Engineer. He's one of the hardest working blokes I've ever known.
I've known 18-25 year old waitresses work 10 hours on their feet serving tables all day.
My old manager was only 27 when he took over the department I used to work in. He was brilliant, knowledgeable and confident in his role.
Saying the "youth are just useless" sounds like boomer brain rot drivel... |
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By *iver78 OP Man 2 days ago
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Well I recon its a generation thing , yes the older generation has always said the younger ones are lazy lol , but the difference now is if you are lazy people simply cannot call them out on it because your then going to effect there mentle health ,
I know its not all of them but some definitely play the system and yes some older people do aswell , the play the system .
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Could it be that the jobs shit, or at least most of them are, older people can’t be arsed to fight it, we have bills and people to care for, management just squeeze a bit more out of us over time, younger generations are asking what’s in it for me and so they fucking should, jobs used to be guaranteed, education used to give us the edge, doesn’t matter how much effort young people put in, they are getting royally screwed |
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Work is a social construct … there’s nothing new in not wanting to work .. Given the choice of Work or No Work I’d be choosing no work …That does not mean I wouldn’t be busy ..Society and monetary needs force us to work at times totally against our will .. |
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