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Birmingham City Council have announced a huge rise over the next 2 years whilst seriously cutting budgets.
At a time of a 'cost of living crisis' WTF!!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-68342493.amp |
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"Birmingham City Council have announced a huge rise over the next 2 years whilst seriously cutting budgets.
At a time of a 'cost of living crisis' WTF!!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-68342493.amp"
Austerity. |
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By *irldnCouple 10 weeks ago
Brighton |
"If it's legal it must be moral  "
Like the law in Iran that allows adult males to marry and have sex with 13yr old girls?
Sorry Feisty I couldn’t resist because I am a zionist agent promoting the conspiracy! |
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"If it's legal it must be moral
Like the law in Iran that allows adult males to marry and have sex with 13yr old girls?
Sorry Feisty I couldn’t resist because I am a zionist agent promoting the conspiracy!"
No drama, it appears no one wants to get involved in this thread anyway. Derail the fuck out of it |
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By *yth11Couple 10 weeks ago
newark |
"Birmingham City Council have announced a huge rise over the next 2 years whilst seriously cutting budgets.
At a time of a 'cost of living crisis' WTF!!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-68342493.amp"
Council tax is a outdated unfair and costly way of razing money which should replaced by a couple of pence on income tax but a lot hate that tax as well so that’s not going to happen. |
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Highest tax increases in 70 years delivered by Sunak and still the country is skint.
Labours turn next :
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cAijJn98TU0&pp=ygUlYnJpdGFpbiBpcyBmaW5pc2hlZCB0aGUgZXhvZHVzIGJlZ2lucw%3D%3D
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"Birmingham City Council have announced a huge rise over the next 2 years whilst seriously cutting budgets.
At a time of a 'cost of living crisis' WTF!!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-68342493.amp"
Plymouth city council is going £32million over budget on our city centre tree removal and replanting. How do you get £3.9m costs up to £36.8m.
They have not confirmed our council tax rise yet. |
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"Birmingham City Council have announced a huge rise over the next 2 years whilst seriously cutting budgets.
At a time of a 'cost of living crisis' WTF!!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-68342493.amp
Plymouth city council is going £32million over budget on our city centre tree removal and replanting. How do you get £3.9m costs up to £36.8m.
They have not confirmed our council tax rise yet. "
Our CT is going up by 5% that's an extra 100/year. They're beyond taking the piss when you see the state of my town. |
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"Birmingham City Council have announced a huge rise over the next 2 years whilst seriously cutting budgets.
At a time of a 'cost of living crisis' WTF!!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-68342493.amp"
Ouch that is a huge rise. I read they seem to have a multitude of problems of which one is an IT project that's gone seriously over budget. IT project problems do seem to keep appearing. |
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“Bankrupt Birmingham Council wasted £2.1M on vehicles that don't comply with its own clean air zone - despite more than 110,000 drivers being fined thousands by draconian green scheme”
Bankrupt the councillors for wasting public money. Repossess their houses. This is a scandal. |
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And the water companies by 2030 are being allowed to increase bills by up to 30%..
At a time when the government and OFWAT know they are dumping raw sewage into the rivers as much as they can get away with..
Shit doesn't really sum it up does it..
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By *oo hotCouple 10 weeks ago
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"Birmingham City Council have announced a huge rise over the next 2 years whilst seriously cutting budgets.
At a time of a 'cost of living crisis' WTF!!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-68342493.amp"
It’s happening everywhere, but more so where councils (Labour and Conservative) are in special measures.
Austerity eventually affects everyone and the Conservatives have been systematically cutting Council funding since 2010 and eventually there is nothing else to squeeze.
There are potential local authority solutions that could help them improve their neighbourhoods and raise revenue but it needs some strategic planning and thinking - and possibly a change in the law. The point being though that if it costs £X to provide reasonable public services, the Government reducing funding every year will just make collecting £X unachievable without either raising council taxes or adopting novel revenue concepts of which I have some ideas about based on the way some other countries raise local funds. |
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On the one hand it's good local areas get to decide it's priorities and how much it will raise to get them.
On the other hand it's nuts that we leave it to some absolute plonkers half of which got elected because of their rosette and the other half because they are win some petty facebook battle. |
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"Birmingham City Council have announced a huge rise over the next 2 years whilst seriously cutting budgets.
At a time of a 'cost of living crisis' WTF!!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-68342493.amp"
Guess the money has to come from somewhere.
As for "cost of living crisis" is more about adjusting the house hold budget to meany had it so easy for so long. |
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Council tax is a completely unfair system.
Poll tax was the only fair way, each person pays their way. More people = more resources used = more tax paid.
Notwithstanding that, councils are wasteful, inefficient and spend all their money on "statutory" services, not the things they should be doing. |
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By *otMe66Man 10 weeks ago
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"Birmingham City Council have announced a huge rise over the next 2 years whilst seriously cutting budgets.
At a time of a 'cost of living crisis' WTF!!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-68342493.amp
It’s happening everywhere, but more so where councils (Labour and Conservative) are in special measures.
Austerity eventually affects everyone and the Conservatives have been systematically cutting Council funding since 2010 and eventually there is nothing else to squeeze.
There are potential local authority solutions that could help them improve their neighbourhoods and raise revenue but it needs some strategic planning and thinking - and possibly a change in the law. The point being though that if it costs £X to provide reasonable public services, the Government reducing funding every year will just make collecting £X unachievable without either raising council taxes or adopting novel revenue concepts of which I have some ideas about based on the way some other countries raise local funds."
Or it is the councils fault as outlined in the councils own financial report? It is very clear a lack of management has led to a complete breakdown of the budget and services. |
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Birmingham Council has basically gone bust - they have a huge equal pay scandal that will cost them between £1.5 and £2 _billion_ as well as a £80-100 million failed IT project. It has been woefully misrun and this is the sad consequence. |
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Too much taxpayers money squandered by local councils and not used for the resources it was designed for ,
it always seem to be education and old people’s homes that are given the biggest spending cuts but when it comes to gay pride etc , money is spent in abundance |
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"Birmingham Council has basically gone bust - they have a huge equal pay scandal that will cost them between £1.5 and £2 _billion_ as well as a £80-100 million failed IT project. It has been woefully misrun and this is the sad consequence."
The IT project was totally incompetent.
Don't understand how any of these equal pay claims are valid. If one job pays a bonus and another doesn't, if you want the bonus do the job that pays it. Don't do the other (potentially more pleasant) job then bleat about it. |
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"Birmingham Council has basically gone bust - they have a huge equal pay scandal that will cost them between £1.5 and £2 _billion_ as well as a £80-100 million failed IT project. It has been woefully misrun and this is the sad consequence."
It has a knock on effect, if you are a private supplier of service's or goods to the council, you can not stop supplying even though you may not get paid or breach of contract the bankcruptsy brought about. 'CIGA' 2020. amendment to ipso facto. |
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"Birmingham Council has basically gone bust - they have a huge equal pay scandal that will cost them between £1.5 and £2 _billion_ as well as a £80-100 million failed IT project. It has been woefully misrun and this is the sad consequence."
Hope this is not what's in store for us all after the GE |
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"Council tax is a completely unfair system.
Poll tax was the only fair way, each person pays their way. More people = more resources used = more tax paid.
Notwithstanding that, councils are wasteful, inefficient and spend all their money on "statutory" services, not the things they should be doing."
Which “statutory” services do youthink they should stop providing? |
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By *otMe66Man 10 weeks ago
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"Birmingham Council has basically gone bust - they have a huge equal pay scandal that will cost them between £1.5 and £2 _billion_ as well as a £80-100 million failed IT project. It has been woefully misrun and this is the sad consequence.
Hope this is not what's in store for us all after the GE "
Starmer back in March said if labour were in power they would freeze council tax rises this year, but wouldn't commit to freezing them if they win the the next GE.
So in answer to your question, probably.. |
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"Council tax is a completely unfair system.
Poll tax was the only fair way, each person pays their way. More people = more resources used = more tax paid.
Notwithstanding that, councils are wasteful, inefficient and spend all their money on "statutory" services, not the things they should be doing.
Which “statutory” services do youthink they should stop providing?"
Social care is one area where a small but growing minority use a disproportionate amount of resources.
Other areas for savings include any translation services used. Heating in public buildings including schools, which are generally run way _oo hot. Etc.
Spend the money on things we care about such as waste collection and fixing potholes. |
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"Council tax is a completely unfair system.
Poll tax was the only fair way, each person pays their way. More people = more resources used = more tax paid.
Notwithstanding that, councils are wasteful, inefficient and spend all their money on "statutory" services, not the things they should be doing.
Which “statutory” services do youthink they should stop providing?
Social care is one area where a small but growing minority use a disproportionate amount of resources.
Other areas for savings include any translation services used. Heating in public buildings including schools, which are generally run way _oo hot. Etc.
Spend the money on things we care about such as waste collection and fixing potholes."
Spend money on things we care about... like our elderly, the disabled, looked after children, those needing social care maybe?
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"I've noticed that most (not all) of the councils that are putting up Council tax are Labour run councils"
this is limited to a subset of councils but suggests almost all are.
https://news.sky.com/story/council-tax-how-much-is-yours-going-up-by-13076146
And I believe the two they call out as not maxing are labour.
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"I've noticed that most (not all) of the councils that are putting up Council tax are Labour run councils"
In the interests of balance, Labour councils have overall had their budgets cut by a greater degree than Tory councils since 2010. |
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"Council tax is a completely unfair system.
Poll tax was the only fair way, each person pays their way. More people = more resources used = more tax paid.
Notwithstanding that, councils are wasteful, inefficient and spend all their money on "statutory" services, not the things they should be doing.
Which “statutory” services do youthink they should stop providing?
Social care is one area where a small but growing minority use a disproportionate amount of resources.
Other areas for savings include any translation services used. Heating in public buildings including schools, which are generally run way _oo hot. Etc.
Spend the money on things we care about such as waste collection and fixing potholes. Spend money on things we care about... like our elderly, the disabled, looked after children, those needing social care maybe?
Mrs x"
None of those. |
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"Council tax is a completely unfair system.
Poll tax was the only fair way, each person pays their way. More people = more resources used = more tax paid.
Notwithstanding that, councils are wasteful, inefficient and spend all their money on "statutory" services, not the things they should be doing.
Which “statutory” services do youthink they should stop providing?
Social care is one area where a small but growing minority use a disproportionate amount of resources.
Other areas for savings include any translation services used. Heating in public buildings including schools, which are generally run way _oo hot. Etc.
Spend the money on things we care about such as waste collection and fixing potholes."
So they should stop providing social care, heating public buildings (including schools), and translation services?
Who do you think will look after the elderly and disabled? Also, when workers walk out of public buildings (including schools), as they are legally entitled to do, when the temperature drops below 16 degrees, who is going to do the work (or look after the kids)?
And when councils are sued for not providing translation services, as is their legal responsibility, who will pay?
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"Council tax is a completely unfair system.
Poll tax was the only fair way, each person pays their way. More people = more resources used = more tax paid.
Notwithstanding that, councils are wasteful, inefficient and spend all their money on "statutory" services, not the things they should be doing.
Which “statutory” services do youthink they should stop providing?
Social care is one area where a small but growing minority use a disproportionate amount of resources.
Other areas for savings include any translation services used. Heating in public buildings including schools, which are generally run way _oo hot. Etc.
Spend the money on things we care about such as waste collection and fixing potholes.
So they should stop providing social care, heating public buildings (including schools), and translation services?
Who do you think will look after the elderly and disabled? Also, when workers walk out of public buildings (including schools), as they are legally entitled to do, when the temperature drops below 16 degrees, who is going to do the work (or look after the kids)?
And when councils are sued for not providing translation services, as is their legal responsibility, who will pay?
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Schools etc. are run way _oo hot. 16 to 18 degrees is fine. There is a wall of heat whenever you enter a public building, with people walking around in short sleeved shirts in the winter.
Translation services are unnecessary. If you want help, speak the language of the country you are in. If the law needs changing then change the law.
As for social care, why is there such an increase in demand? Are we keeping people alive longer than they can have a fulfilling life? I have told my daughter in no uncertain terms that I will never go into a care home - she must shoot me first. I can't think of many worse existances than being in those awful places. |
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"Council tax is a completely unfair system.
Poll tax was the only fair way, each person pays their way. More people = more resources used = more tax paid.
Notwithstanding that, councils are wasteful, inefficient and spend all their money on "statutory" services, not the things they should be doing.
Which “statutory” services do youthink they should stop providing?
Social care is one area where a small but growing minority use a disproportionate amount of resources.
Other areas for savings include any translation services used. Heating in public buildings including schools, which are generally run way _oo hot. Etc.
Spend the money on things we care about such as waste collection and fixing potholes.
So they should stop providing social care, heating public buildings (including schools), and translation services?
Who do you think will look after the elderly and disabled? Also, when workers walk out of public buildings (including schools), as they are legally entitled to do, when the temperature drops below 16 degrees, who is going to do the work (or look after the kids)?
And when councils are sued for not providing translation services, as is their legal responsibility, who will pay?
Schools etc. are run way _oo hot. 16 to 18 degrees is fine. There is a wall of heat whenever you enter a public building, with people walking around in short sleeved shirts in the winter.
Translation services are unnecessary. If you want help, speak the language of the country you are in. If the law needs changing then change the law.
As for social care, why is there such an increase in demand? Are we keeping people alive longer than they can have a fulfilling life? I have told my daughter in no uncertain terms that I will never go into a care home - she must shoot me first. I can't think of many worse existances than being in those awful places."
Unbelievable haha
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"Council tax is a completely unfair system.
Poll tax was the only fair way, each person pays their way. More people = more resources used = more tax paid.
Notwithstanding that, councils are wasteful, inefficient and spend all their money on "statutory" services, not the things they should be doing.
Which “statutory” services do youthink they should stop providing?
Social care is one area where a small but growing minority use a disproportionate amount of resources.
Other areas for savings include any translation services used. Heating in public buildings including schools, which are generally run way _oo hot. Etc.
Spend the money on things we care about such as waste collection and fixing potholes.
So they should stop providing social care, heating public buildings (including schools), and translation services?
Who do you think will look after the elderly and disabled? Also, when workers walk out of public buildings (including schools), as they are legally entitled to do, when the temperature drops below 16 degrees, who is going to do the work (or look after the kids)?
And when councils are sued for not providing translation services, as is their legal responsibility, who will pay?
Schools etc. are run way _oo hot. 16 to 18 degrees is fine. There is a wall of heat whenever you enter a public building, with people walking around in short sleeved shirts in the winter.
Translation services are unnecessary. If you want help, speak the language of the country you are in. If the law needs changing then change the law.
As for social care, why is there such an increase in demand? Are we keeping people alive longer than they can have a fulfilling life? I have told my daughter in no uncertain terms that I will never go into a care home - she must shoot me first. I can't think of many worse existances than being in those awful places."
Are you the person who gets to decide when a person’s life is no longer fulfilling then? Will you pop round and tell the poor old lady that you’ve decided it’s time she didn’t get any help to keep her safe and alive? What will you say? |
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"Council tax is a completely unfair system.
Poll tax was the only fair way, each person pays their way. More people = more resources used = more tax paid.
Notwithstanding that, councils are wasteful, inefficient and spend all their money on "statutory" services, not the things they should be doing.
Which “statutory” services do youthink they should stop providing?
Social care is one area where a small but growing minority use a disproportionate amount of resources.
Other areas for savings include any translation services used. Heating in public buildings including schools, which are generally run way _oo hot. Etc.
Spend the money on things we care about such as waste collection and fixing potholes.
So they should stop providing social care, heating public buildings (including schools), and translation services?
Who do you think will look after the elderly and disabled? Also, when workers walk out of public buildings (including schools), as they are legally entitled to do, when the temperature drops below 16 degrees, who is going to do the work (or look after the kids)?
And when councils are sued for not providing translation services, as is their legal responsibility, who will pay?
Schools etc. are run way _oo hot. 16 to 18 degrees is fine. There is a wall of heat whenever you enter a public building, with people walking around in short sleeved shirts in the winter.
Translation services are unnecessary. If you want help, speak the language of the country you are in. If the law needs changing then change the law.
As for social care, why is there such an increase in demand? Are we keeping people alive longer than they can have a fulfilling life? I have told my daughter in no uncertain terms that I will never go into a care home - she must shoot me first. I can't think of many worse existances than being in those awful places."
It’s like the daily mail in forum format. |
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"Council tax is a completely unfair system.
Poll tax was the only fair way, each person pays their way. More people = more resources used = more tax paid.
Notwithstanding that, councils are wasteful, inefficient and spend all their money on "statutory" services, not the things they should be doing.
Which “statutory” services do youthink they should stop providing?
Social care is one area where a small but growing minority use a disproportionate amount of resources.
Other areas for savings include any translation services used. Heating in public buildings including schools, which are generally run way _oo hot. Etc.
Spend the money on things we care about such as waste collection and fixing potholes.
So they should stop providing social care, heating public buildings (including schools), and translation services?
Who do you think will look after the elderly and disabled? Also, when workers walk out of public buildings (including schools), as they are legally entitled to do, when the temperature drops below 16 degrees, who is going to do the work (or look after the kids)?
And when councils are sued for not providing translation services, as is their legal responsibility, who will pay?
Schools etc. are run way _oo hot. 16 to 18 degrees is fine. There is a wall of heat whenever you enter a public building, with people walking around in short sleeved shirts in the winter.
Translation services are unnecessary. If you want help, speak the language of the country you are in. If the law needs changing then change the law.
As for social care, why is there such an increase in demand? Are we keeping people alive longer than they can have a fulfilling life? I have told my daughter in no uncertain terms that I will never go into a care home - she must shoot me first. I can't think of many worse existances than being in those awful places.
Are you the person who gets to decide when a person’s life is no longer fulfilling then? Will you pop round and tell the poor old lady that you’ve decided it’s time she didn’t get any help to keep her safe and alive? What will you say?"
How can life be fulfilling if you need to rely on others for basic needs?
It can't. |
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"Council tax is a completely unfair system.
Poll tax was the only fair way, each person pays their way. More people = more resources used = more tax paid.
Notwithstanding that, councils are wasteful, inefficient and spend all their money on "statutory" services, not the things they should be doing.
Which “statutory” services do youthink they should stop providing?
Social care is one area where a small but growing minority use a disproportionate amount of resources.
Other areas for savings include any translation services used. Heating in public buildings including schools, which are generally run way _oo hot. Etc.
Spend the money on things we care about such as waste collection and fixing potholes.
So they should stop providing social care, heating public buildings (including schools), and translation services?
Who do you think will look after the elderly and disabled? Also, when workers walk out of public buildings (including schools), as they are legally entitled to do, when the temperature drops below 16 degrees, who is going to do the work (or look after the kids)?
And when councils are sued for not providing translation services, as is their legal responsibility, who will pay?
Schools etc. are run way _oo hot. 16 to 18 degrees is fine. There is a wall of heat whenever you enter a public building, with people walking around in short sleeved shirts in the winter.
Translation services are unnecessary. If you want help, speak the language of the country you are in. If the law needs changing then change the law.
As for social care, why is there such an increase in demand? Are we keeping people alive longer than they can have a fulfilling life? I have told my daughter in no uncertain terms that I will never go into a care home - she must shoot me first. I can't think of many worse existances than being in those awful places."
16-18 degrees is perfectly fine.
Translation services are definitely needed, that's our Govts fault though.
Care services are needed for oldies, I don't even think that one is up for discussion. |
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"Council tax is a completely unfair system.
Poll tax was the only fair way, each person pays their way. More people = more resources used = more tax paid.
Notwithstanding that, councils are wasteful, inefficient and spend all their money on "statutory" services, not the things they should be doing.
Which “statutory” services do youthink they should stop providing?
Social care is one area where a small but growing minority use a disproportionate amount of resources.
Other areas for savings include any translation services used. Heating in public buildings including schools, which are generally run way _oo hot. Etc.
Spend the money on things we care about such as waste collection and fixing potholes.
So they should stop providing social care, heating public buildings (including schools), and translation services?
Who do you think will look after the elderly and disabled? Also, when workers walk out of public buildings (including schools), as they are legally entitled to do, when the temperature drops below 16 degrees, who is going to do the work (or look after the kids)?
And when councils are sued for not providing translation services, as is their legal responsibility, who will pay?
Schools etc. are run way _oo hot. 16 to 18 degrees is fine. There is a wall of heat whenever you enter a public building, with people walking around in short sleeved shirts in the winter.
Translation services are unnecessary. If you want help, speak the language of the country you are in. If the law needs changing then change the law.
As for social care, why is there such an increase in demand? Are we keeping people alive longer than they can have a fulfilling life? I have told my daughter in no uncertain terms that I will never go into a care home - she must shoot me first. I can't think of many worse existances than being in those awful places.
Are you the person who gets to decide when a person’s life is no longer fulfilling then? Will you pop round and tell the poor old lady that you’ve decided it’s time she didn’t get any help to keep her safe and alive? What will you say?
How can life be fulfilling if you need to rely on others for basic needs?
It can't."
So you are saying disabled people can’t have fulfilling lives if they require others to help them? |
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"Council tax is a completely unfair system.
Poll tax was the only fair way, each person pays their way. More people = more resources used = more tax paid.
Notwithstanding that, councils are wasteful, inefficient and spend all their money on "statutory" services, not the things they should be doing.
Which “statutory” services do youthink they should stop providing?
Social care is one area where a small but growing minority use a disproportionate amount of resources.
Other areas for savings include any translation services used. Heating in public buildings including schools, which are generally run way _oo hot. Etc.
Spend the money on things we care about such as waste collection and fixing potholes.
So they should stop providing social care, heating public buildings (including schools), and translation services?
Who do you think will look after the elderly and disabled? Also, when workers walk out of public buildings (including schools), as they are legally entitled to do, when the temperature drops below 16 degrees, who is going to do the work (or look after the kids)?
And when councils are sued for not providing translation services, as is their legal responsibility, who will pay?
Schools etc. are run way _oo hot. 16 to 18 degrees is fine. There is a wall of heat whenever you enter a public building, with people walking around in short sleeved shirts in the winter.
Translation services are unnecessary. If you want help, speak the language of the country you are in. If the law needs changing then change the law.
As for social care, why is there such an increase in demand? Are we keeping people alive longer than they can have a fulfilling life? I have told my daughter in no uncertain terms that I will never go into a care home - she must shoot me first. I can't think of many worse existances than being in those awful places.
Are you the person who gets to decide when a person’s life is no longer fulfilling then? Will you pop round and tell the poor old lady that you’ve decided it’s time she didn’t get any help to keep her safe and alive? What will you say?
How can life be fulfilling if you need to rely on others for basic needs?
It can't."
Only the individual can say how fulfilling their life is.
I’m all for assisted dying, but I’d rather not see mandatory culling…. |
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"Council tax is a completely unfair system.
Poll tax was the only fair way, each person pays their way. More people = more resources used = more tax paid.
Notwithstanding that, councils are wasteful, inefficient and spend all their money on "statutory" services, not the things they should be doing.
Which “statutory” services do youthink they should stop providing?
Social care is one area where a small but growing minority use a disproportionate amount of resources.
Other areas for savings include any translation services used. Heating in public buildings including schools, which are generally run way _oo hot. Etc.
Spend the money on things we care about such as waste collection and fixing potholes.
So they should stop providing social care, heating public buildings (including schools), and translation services?
Who do you think will look after the elderly and disabled? Also, when workers walk out of public buildings (including schools), as they are legally entitled to do, when the temperature drops below 16 degrees, who is going to do the work (or look after the kids)?
And when councils are sued for not providing translation services, as is their legal responsibility, who will pay?
Schools etc. are run way _oo hot. 16 to 18 degrees is fine. There is a wall of heat whenever you enter a public building, with people walking around in short sleeved shirts in the winter.
Translation services are unnecessary. If you want help, speak the language of the country you are in. If the law needs changing then change the law.
As for social care, why is there such an increase in demand? Are we keeping people alive longer than they can have a fulfilling life? I have told my daughter in no uncertain terms that I will never go into a care home - she must shoot me first. I can't think of many worse existances than being in those awful places.
Are you the person who gets to decide when a person’s life is no longer fulfilling then? Will you pop round and tell the poor old lady that you’ve decided it’s time she didn’t get any help to keep her safe and alive? What will you say?
How can life be fulfilling if you need to rely on others for basic needs?
It can't."
Stephen Hawking's comes to mind
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"Council tax is a completely unfair system.
Poll tax was the only fair way, each person pays their way. More people = more resources used = more tax paid.
Notwithstanding that, councils are wasteful, inefficient and spend all their money on "statutory" services, not the things they should be doing.
Which “statutory” services do youthink they should stop providing?
Social care is one area where a small but growing minority use a disproportionate amount of resources.
Other areas for savings include any translation services used. Heating in public buildings including schools, which are generally run way _oo hot. Etc.
Spend the money on things we care about such as waste collection and fixing potholes.
So they should stop providing social care, heating public buildings (including schools), and translation services?
Who do you think will look after the elderly and disabled? Also, when workers walk out of public buildings (including schools), as they are legally entitled to do, when the temperature drops below 16 degrees, who is going to do the work (or look after the kids)?
And when councils are sued for not providing translation services, as is their legal responsibility, who will pay?
Schools etc. are run way _oo hot. 16 to 18 degrees is fine. There is a wall of heat whenever you enter a public building, with people walking around in short sleeved shirts in the winter.
Translation services are unnecessary. If you want help, speak the language of the country you are in. If the law needs changing then change the law.
As for social care, why is there such an increase in demand? Are we keeping people alive longer than they can have a fulfilling life? I have told my daughter in no uncertain terms that I will never go into a care home - she must shoot me first. I can't think of many worse existances than being in those awful places."
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"Council tax is a completely unfair system.
Poll tax was the only fair way, each person pays their way. More people = more resources used = more tax paid.
Notwithstanding that, councils are wasteful, inefficient and spend all their money on "statutory" services, not the things they should be doing.
Which “statutory” services do youthink they should stop providing?
Social care is one area where a small but growing minority use a disproportionate amount of resources.
Other areas for savings include any translation services used. Heating in public buildings including schools, which are generally run way _oo hot. Etc.
Spend the money on things we care about such as waste collection and fixing potholes.
So they should stop providing social care, heating public buildings (including schools), and translation services?
Who do you think will look after the elderly and disabled? Also, when workers walk out of public buildings (including schools), as they are legally entitled to do, when the temperature drops below 16 degrees, who is going to do the work (or look after the kids)?
And when councils are sued for not providing translation services, as is their legal responsibility, who will pay?
Schools etc. are run way _oo hot. 16 to 18 degrees is fine. There is a wall of heat whenever you enter a public building, with people walking around in short sleeved shirts in the winter.
Translation services are unnecessary. If you want help, speak the language of the country you are in. If the law needs changing then change the law.
As for social care, why is there such an increase in demand? Are we keeping people alive longer than they can have a fulfilling life? I have told my daughter in no uncertain terms that I will never go into a care home - she must shoot me first. I can't think of many worse existances than being in those awful places.
Are you the person who gets to decide when a person’s life is no longer fulfilling then? Will you pop round and tell the poor old lady that you’ve decided it’s time she didn’t get any help to keep her safe and alive? What will you say?
How can life be fulfilling if you need to rely on others for basic needs?
It can't.Stephen Hawking's comes to mind
Mrs c"
But apart from the countless scientific breakthroughs he made, being a record breaking and multi award winning author, having 3 children, receiving the presidential medal of freedom, being voted as the 25th greatest Briton ever to live, and holding several of the most distinguished posts in academia, can you really say he had a fulfilling life? |
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"Council tax is a completely unfair system.
Poll tax was the only fair way, each person pays their way. More people = more resources used = more tax paid.
Notwithstanding that, councils are wasteful, inefficient and spend all their money on "statutory" services, not the things they should be doing.
Which “statutory” services do youthink they should stop providing?
Social care is one area where a small but growing minority use a disproportionate amount of resources.
Other areas for savings include any translation services used. Heating in public buildings including schools, which are generally run way _oo hot. Etc.
Spend the money on things we care about such as waste collection and fixing potholes.
So they should stop providing social care, heating public buildings (including schools), and translation services?
Who do you think will look after the elderly and disabled? Also, when workers walk out of public buildings (including schools), as they are legally entitled to do, when the temperature drops below 16 degrees, who is going to do the work (or look after the kids)?
And when councils are sued for not providing translation services, as is their legal responsibility, who will pay?
Schools etc. are run way _oo hot. 16 to 18 degrees is fine. There is a wall of heat whenever you enter a public building, with people walking around in short sleeved shirts in the winter.
Translation services are unnecessary. If you want help, speak the language of the country you are in. If the law needs changing then change the law.
As for social care, why is there such an increase in demand? Are we keeping people alive longer than they can have a fulfilling life? I have told my daughter in no uncertain terms that I will never go into a care home - she must shoot me first. I can't think of many worse existances than being in those awful places.
Are you the person who gets to decide when a person’s life is no longer fulfilling then? Will you pop round and tell the poor old lady that you’ve decided it’s time she didn’t get any help to keep her safe and alive? What will you say?
How can life be fulfilling if you need to rely on others for basic needs?
It can't.Stephen Hawking's comes to mind
Mrs c
But apart from the countless scientific breakthroughs he made, being a record breaking and multi award winning author, having 3 children, receiving the presidential medal of freedom, being voted as the 25th greatest Briton ever to live, and holding several of the most distinguished posts in academia, can you really say he had a fulfilling life?"
OK I take it back,
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Schools etc. are run way _oo hot. 16 to 18 degrees is fine. There is a wall of heat whenever you enter a public building, with people walking around in short sleeved shirts in the winter.
Translation services are unnecessary. If you want help, speak the language of the country you are in. If the law needs changing then change the law.
As for social care, why is there such an increase in demand? Are we keeping people alive longer than they can have a fulfilling life? I have told my daughter in no uncertain terms that I will never go into a care home - she must shoot me first. I can't think of many worse existances than being in those awful places."
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Schools etc. are run way _oo hot. 16 to 18 degrees is fine. There is a wall of heat whenever you enter a public building, with people walking around in short sleeved shirts in the winter.
Translation services are unnecessary. If you want help, speak the language of the country you are in. If the law needs changing then change the law.
As for social care, why is there such an increase in demand? Are we keeping people alive longer than they can have a fulfilling life? I have told my daughter in no uncertain terms that I will never go into a care home - she must shoot me first. I can't think of many worse existances than being in those awful places.
Perhaps we could burn the old people to heat the schools?, Two birds and all that"
Old people and foreigners.
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I don't come here often, but I came here to say it's perfectly possible to be disabled and need help but have a good life. One does feel very guilty though, and in the hardest times, I have wished myself dead to remove the burden from my husband and children. It should be noted for the people in the back row that I work FT, earn more than my husband and pay a fuck ton of tax, but do not receive benefits other than child benefit. I fund my own mobility equipment too, which is very expensive and frankly a ginormous burden on our entire household budget.
I feel immensely guilty for all the things I can't do with/for my family and acquiring my disability at the age of 31 has been a massive blow to my psychological wellbeing. Really and truly, I'd like some social care because my husband is knackered and I am making myself worse by trying to soldier on regardless. However, due to our income, we would receive zero funding and would have to self fund. Costs for self funders are very high, to offset the poverty levels paid to councils for funded care.
Oh, and I also do my best to care for my Dad who has dementia, who despite only having a very small pension, also has to part fund the very limited care his council says he needs, but because I can't physically aid my Dad at his house (access), my husband is also involved in that care too. This adds more to my guilt and my husband's exhaustion.
My Dad's later years would be much better if he had appropriate care from people FT, not the scraps he gets between the social care bits and us doing our best. My life would be much more fulfilling if we could afford or were offered some help and my husband could return more to the husband stuff rather than everything else. My job is to earn most of our income, but to do that, I can't become completely unable to work (and the levels of presenteeism I have are wild).
But yes, let's cut social care and decide whose lives are fulfilling enough. Sounds great to me.
Oh, and telling your kids to kill you if/when you need care is really bad on the sanity of said kids because they actually can't do that and what they're left with is an elderly parent who made zero plans for their future potential infirmity and then the kids have to fight for some scraps for you from the Council.
Being able bodied is a temporary state, folks. Any one of you could become disabled tomorrow, all it takes is one wrong step, one car accident, one illness. Don't be complacent. Don't think your health knows boundless limits and therefore "I'm alright, Jack" is the way forward. |
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"Being able bodied is a temporary state, folks. Any one of you could become disabled tomorrow, all it takes is one wrong step, one car accident, one illness. Don't be complacent. Don't think your health knows boundless limits and therefore "I'm alright, Jack" is the way forward. "
I think sometimes those who propose things such as getting rid of social care for those who aren’t living a ‘fulfilling’ life according to their criteria, forget that these are real people and not NPCs in a video game, or extras in a film. |
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"Council tax is a completely unfair system.
Poll tax was the only fair way, each person pays their way. More people = more resources used = more tax paid.
Notwithstanding that, councils are wasteful, inefficient and spend all their money on "statutory" services, not the things they should be doing.
Which “statutory” services do youthink they should stop providing?
Social care is one area where a small but growing minority use a disproportionate amount of resources.
Other areas for savings include any translation services used. Heating in public buildings including schools, which are generally run way _oo hot. Etc.
Spend the money on things we care about such as waste collection and fixing potholes.
So they should stop providing social care, heating public buildings (including schools), and translation services?
Who do you think will look after the elderly and disabled? Also, when workers walk out of public buildings (including schools), as they are legally entitled to do, when the temperature drops below 16 degrees, who is going to do the work (or look after the kids)?
And when councils are sued for not providing translation services, as is their legal responsibility, who will pay?
Schools etc. are run way _oo hot. 16 to 18 degrees is fine. There is a wall of heat whenever you enter a public building, with people walking around in short sleeved shirts in the winter.
Translation services are unnecessary. If you want help, speak the language of the country you are in. If the law needs changing then change the law.
As for social care, why is there such an increase in demand? Are we keeping people alive longer than they can have a fulfilling life? I have told my daughter in no uncertain terms that I will never go into a care home - she must shoot me first. I can't think of many worse existances than being in those awful places.
To be honest I'm with you but would you want your daughter arrested for murder? But we need to think about end of life and cost.."
I hope that politicians see sense and bring in the assisted dying laws before I need them.
Unfortunately, it is finely balanced and may go the other way again as parliament is infested by leftie wokie religious types. |
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Unfortunately, it is finely balanced and may go the other way again as parliament is infested by leftie wokie religious types.
The famously woke Catholics."
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"Not sure what it was before ct and poll tax,be gratefull if someone would let me know"
It was called rates based on the rateable value of your property
I used to get a 10% discount for paying it one go as well
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"Council tax is a completely unfair system.
Poll tax was the only fair way, each person pays their way. More people = more resources used = more tax paid.
Notwithstanding that, councils are wasteful, inefficient and spend all their money on "statutory" services, not the things they should be doing.
Which “statutory” services do youthink they should stop providing?
Social care is one area where a small but growing minority use a disproportionate amount of resources.
Other areas for savings include any translation services used. Heating in public buildings including schools, which are generally run way _oo hot. Etc.
Spend the money on things we care about such as waste collection and fixing potholes.
So they should stop providing social care, heating public buildings (including schools), and translation services?
Who do you think will look after the elderly and disabled? Also, when workers walk out of public buildings (including schools), as they are legally entitled to do, when the temperature drops below 16 degrees, who is going to do the work (or look after the kids)?
And when councils are sued for not providing translation services, as is their legal responsibility, who will pay?
Schools etc. are run way _oo hot. 16 to 18 degrees is fine. There is a wall of heat whenever you enter a public building, with people walking around in short sleeved shirts in the winter.
Translation services are unnecessary. If you want help, speak the language of the country you are in. If the law needs changing then change the law.
As for social care, why is there such an increase in demand? Are we keeping people alive longer than they can have a fulfilling life? I have told my daughter in no uncertain terms that I will never go into a care home - she must shoot me first. I can't think of many worse existances than being in those awful places.
To be honest I'm with you but would you want your daughter arrested for murder? But we need to think about end of life and cost..
I hope that politicians see sense and bring in the assisted dying laws before I need them.
Unfortunately, it is finely balanced and may go the other way again as parliament is infested by leftie wokie religious types."
Why should disabled people want to kill themselves if they require assistance to live?! I've needed help at work today. Should I have strung myself up instead? |
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The biggest costs are children's and adults social care.
If you want old people suffering and children abused by their own parents then just own it and say that's what you want. That's the outcome so dealt with it. The government removed the funding to provide lots of services to help people then legislated to say it was a council responsibility.
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"Council tax is a completely unfair system.
Poll tax was the only fair way, each person pays their way. More people = more resources used = more tax paid.
Notwithstanding that, councils are wasteful, inefficient and spend all their money on "statutory" services, not the things they should be doing.
Which “statutory” services do youthink they should stop providing?
Social care is one area where a small but growing minority use a disproportionate amount of resources.
Other areas for savings include any translation services used. Heating in public buildings including schools, which are generally run way _oo hot. Etc.
Spend the money on things we care about such as waste collection and fixing potholes. Spend money on things we care about... like our elderly, the disabled, looked after children, those needing social care maybe?
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"Council tax is a completely unfair system.
Poll tax was the only fair way, each person pays their way. More people = more resources used = more tax paid.
Notwithstanding that, councils are wasteful, inefficient and spend all their money on "statutory" services, not the things they should be doing.
Which “statutory” services do youthink they should stop providing?
Social care is one area where a small but growing minority use a disproportionate amount of resources.
Other areas for savings include any translation services used. Heating in public buildings including schools, which are generally run way _oo hot. Etc.
Spend the money on things we care about such as waste collection and fixing potholes.
So they should stop providing social care, heating public buildings (including schools), and translation services?
Who do you think will look after the elderly and disabled? Also, when workers walk out of public buildings (including schools), as they are legally entitled to do, when the temperature drops below 16 degrees, who is going to do the work (or look after the kids)?
And when councils are sued for not providing translation services, as is their legal responsibility, who will pay?
Schools etc. are run way _oo hot. 16 to 18 degrees is fine. There is a wall of heat whenever you enter a public building, with people walking around in short sleeved shirts in the winter.
Translation services are unnecessary. If you want help, speak the language of the country you are in. If the law needs changing then change the law.
As for social care, why is there such an increase in demand? Are we keeping people alive longer than they can have a fulfilling life? I have told my daughter in no uncertain terms that I will never go into a care home - she must shoot me first. I can't think of many worse existances than being in those awful places."
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"I've noticed that most (not all) of the councils that are putting up Council tax are Labour run councils
Every council will raise the price of council tax, not just labour ones. "
Testament to that being highest personal and business tax increases in 70 years, under current tories. |
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