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"I have seriously considered not voting at times but always have. I have zero interest in politics mainly because we've never had political leaders over here. They have all been tribal leaders. I wouldn't know any of my local representatives if I fell over them but on polling day I put my mark on the ballot paper and I'm not exaggerating when I say I give it no more thought than I would pinning a tail on a donkey. " I could be wrong but I think there is a box you can tick in France for none of the above | |||
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"I know my vote won’t make a difference, unless you’re in a marginal seat it doesn’t count. There’s also no one I think is any good or has the leadership mindset since Blair & Cameron so I don’t vote. It doesn’t really affect me who’s thinks they are in control and what kinds of animal noises they make at each other in the Houses of Parliament , they are not in control , we are already in control & have far more power than they do , so that’s another reason I don’t vote. " Tell that to the people of Wllingborough at the recent by-election - 18,000 tory majority to a 6,000 Labour one. | |||
"Yes though I think we need a massive political overhaul, doubt we will get one until the new generations are in charge. " Sadly I believe the country needs to slide further into the mire before enough people wake up and stand up together. Things will get worse before this happens. The poll tax demonstrations were the last time common people stood up together and pushed back. We are a long way from that now. | |||
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"People died to get people like me the right to vote. I personally would feel like I'm disrespecting that struggle by not voting. I'll be voting. " | |||
"I stop voting 20 years ago, other people i know seem to vote for what benefits them personaly, cant say i know to many who vote for what benefits the wider public" Choosing not to participate in the system is a valid choice. Not even knowing many people who vote for the good of society or for the good of the country is an awful state of affairs. | |||
"I stop voting 20 years ago, other people i know seem to vote for what benefits them personaly, cant say i know to many who vote for what benefits the wider public Choosing not to participate in the system is a valid choice. Not even knowing many people who vote for the good of society or for the good of the country is an awful state of affairs. " that may well be true but most people will always do whats best for them personaly before even thinking about anyone else we are a very selfish species | |||
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"I stop voting 20 years ago, other people i know seem to vote for what benefits them personaly, cant say i know to many who vote for what benefits the wider public Choosing not to participate in the system is a valid choice. Not even knowing many people who vote for the good of society or for the good of the country is an awful state of affairs. that may well be true but most people will always do whats best for them personaly before even thinking about anyone else we are a very selfish species " I have more faith in humanity, maybe it's misplaced. | |||
"I stop voting 20 years ago, other people i know seem to vote for what benefits them personaly, cant say i know to many who vote for what benefits the wider public Choosing not to participate in the system is a valid choice. Not even knowing many people who vote for the good of society or for the good of the country is an awful state of affairs. that may well be true but most people will always do whats best for them personaly before even thinking about anyone else we are a very selfish species " We’ve become a very selfish species, we were designed for kindness, helping, and sharing. | |||
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"If you don't want to vote that's your choice but you lose the right to engage in a political debate " Hard disagree. Lots of people don't vote because they believe the system is set up to self perpetuate and to keep the power and money with those at the top. | |||
"If you don't want to vote that's your choice but you lose the right to engage in a political debate Hard disagree. Lots of people don't vote because they believe the system is set up to self perpetuate and to keep the power and money with those at the top. " *The do believe. Not sure where "don't" came from. #fatthumbs | |||
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"I always vote. It became patently obvious to me that voter apathy is complicity in the status quo. You are condoning more of the same. If that is what you want, you should still vote to retain that status quo, because others will definitely be voting to change it. But if you don't like the status quo, then not voting will ensure it remains the same, because those who desire it will be voting against you. There really is no credible or logical argument for voter apathy. " erm so you expect people to vote when there isnt a party they want to vote for and lets face it its only ever going to be tory or labour who get in and these days its pretty much the same party, so no thanks i will leave voting up to those who think it makes a blind bit of difference | |||
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"I always vote. It became patently obvious to me that voter apathy is complicity in the status quo. You are condoning more of the same. If that is what you want, you should still vote to retain that status quo, because others will definitely be voting to change it. But if you don't like the status quo, then not voting will ensure it remains the same, because those who desire it will be voting against you. There really is no credible or logical argument for voter apathy. erm so you expect people to vote when there isnt a party they want to vote for and lets face it its only ever going to be tory or labour who get in and these days its pretty much the same party, so no thanks i will leave voting up to those who think it makes a blind bit of difference " It's not a wonka land utopia where you get what you want all the time, unless you actually participate and try be the exact change you want to see. But working with the system we have, to have your voice counted, is doing a lot more than you think, even if it doesn't have instant results you want. many constituencies have independents & other party options too. | |||
"I always vote. It became patently obvious to me that voter apathy is complicity in the status quo. You are condoning more of the same. If that is what you want, you should still vote to retain that status quo, because others will definitely be voting to change it. But if you don't like the status quo, then not voting will ensure it remains the same, because those who desire it will be voting against you. There really is no credible or logical argument for voter apathy. erm so you expect people to vote when there isnt a party they want to vote for and lets face it its only ever going to be tory or labour who get in and these days its pretty much the same party, so no thanks i will leave voting up to those who think it makes a blind bit of difference It's not a wonka land utopia where you get what you want all the time, unless you actually participate and try be the exact change you want to see. But working with the system we have, to have your voice counted, is doing a lot more than you think, even if it doesn't have instant results you want. many constituencies have independents & other party options too. " again its only ever gona be tory or labour who get into power and seems as there both the same why would i bother, only difference between them is the blue lot look after a tiny minority of people at the top and the red lot look after a tiny minority at the bottom, if your in neither of those two groups it basically pay your taxes and go fuck yourselves to everyone else, guarantee once labour have been in for a cpl of terms the majority of people will be moaning about them just as much as they moan about the torys now | |||
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"again its only ever gona be tory or labour who get into power and seems as there both the same why would i bother, only difference between them is the blue lot look after a tiny minority of people at the top and the red lot look after a tiny minority at the bottom, if your in neither of those two groups it basically pay your taxes and go fuck yourselves to everyone else, guarantee once labour have been in for a cpl of terms the majority of people will be moaning about them just as much as they moan about the torys now" So what you are saying is that since neither the Conservatives nor Labour serve your needs, you're not going to bother voting ? (Which maintains the status quo in your area). Ergo, you are supporting the current party. If that's you choice, then good for you. | |||
"I don't understand why so many people vote at General Elections but not at Local Elections. Your local council makes far more decisions that impact your day to day life than you realise. They decide if your bins getting emptied, they fix (or not) the potholes, they provide the adult social care that sends carers to your Mum/Dad/Granny, they provide the leisure centre where you go swimming, they decide if Peel Holdings can build 1500 houses and a golf course on protected green space. Etc. Vote in your local elections if you care about where you live! " This ! Absolutely vital to do both and KC is correct. We need more local engagement. | |||
"I don't understand why so many people vote at General Elections but not at Local Elections. Your local council makes far more decisions that impact your day to day life than you realise. They decide if your bins getting emptied, they fix (or not) the potholes, they provide the adult social care that sends carers to your Mum/Dad/Granny, they provide the leisure centre where you go swimming, they decide if Peel Holdings can build 1500 houses and a golf course on protected green space. Etc. Vote in your local elections if you care about where you live! "  | |||
"again its only ever gona be tory or labour who get into power and seems as there both the same why would i bother, only difference between them is the blue lot look after a tiny minority of people at the top and the red lot look after a tiny minority at the bottom, if your in neither of those two groups it basically pay your taxes and go fuck yourselves to everyone else, guarantee once labour have been in for a cpl of terms the majority of people will be moaning about them just as much as they moan about the torys now So what you are saying is that since neither the Conservatives nor Labour serve your needs, you're not going to bother voting ? (Which maintains the status quo in your area). Ergo, you are supporting the current party. If that's you choice, then good for you." not voting means i support neither because neither of them will improve my life, have lived under tory and labour goverments from 3 day weeks and power cuts to maggie the milk snatcher and the miners strikes and poll tax onto phoney blair with his illegal wars and open door immigration and now we have a party led by a pig fucker then a clown to finish with someone who wasnt even voted for by there party members so no i dont think i will bother taking part in the charade thats voting | |||
"again its only ever gona be tory or labour who get into power and seems as there both the same why would i bother, only difference between them is the blue lot look after a tiny minority of people at the top and the red lot look after a tiny minority at the bottom, if your in neither of those two groups it basically pay your taxes and go fuck yourselves to everyone else, guarantee once labour have been in for a cpl of terms the majority of people will be moaning about them just as much as they moan about the torys now So what you are saying is that since neither the Conservatives nor Labour serve your needs, you're not going to bother voting ? (Which maintains the status quo in your area). Ergo, you are supporting the current party. If that's you choice, then good for you.not voting means i support neither because neither of them will improve my life, have lived under tory and labour goverments from 3 day weeks and power cuts to maggie the milk snatcher and the miners strikes and poll tax onto phoney blair with his illegal wars and open door immigration and now we have a party led by a pig fucker then a clown to finish with someone who wasnt even voted for by there party members so no i dont think i will bother taking part in the charade thats voting " I find this interesting. For me, the biggest argument to not vote is because they entire system is set up to serve those with all the money and power. The fact that the two main parties are fairly similar doesn't bother me because it's extremely rare that I vote for either of them. I generally advocate to vote for smaller parties. You might not feel it's worth while, but they do make a difference. If you don't want the government to do more for the environment, vote green, Labour and Lib Dems will make their policies 'greener' in response to win back voters. It has a small impact. If you love a good conspiracy, think science is made up by NASA, that there isn't enough racism in schools, or that brown people in a small boat are responsible for the state of the country, vote Reform, the Tories will, and are lurching even further to the right. Again, this makes a small difference. Having said all that, I have very little faith that any meaningful change will be allowed. | |||
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"What do you do if your not drawn to the smaller parties and won't vote for the 2 main ones. For me I pledged ages ago not to vote Tory this time around and Labour have far from won me over being a virtual carbon copy of the Tories, though I keep an open mind until the election. I'm hoping for a decent independent but that's not guaranteed. Perhaps Reform but then I would get accused of all sorts. Warming to the idea of a 'none of the above' option on the ballot paper." At election time go for one of those political quizzes it helps to show which party's policies you most align with. And don't worry about what people accuse you of, if you think we need more hate, division in the country and vote Reform, why would you care what anyone thinks or says. If it's truly what people believe, then they should be proud of it. | |||
"If you don't want to vote that's your choice but you lose the right to engage in a political debate " I agree with that to the same extent that I agree that those parties who don't deliver on their election manifesto maintain the right to govern. | |||
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"not voting means i support neither because neither of them will improve my life. " Unfortunately you are tacitly supporting one party. The party with the current majority in your area. . I'll put it another way. . Imagine a female friend come to you, and says, "My partner is beating me." . You say, "Ok" and proceed to do nothing. . Your indifference, neutrality, apathy, or whatever you wish to call it. . Does it help the abused or the abuser ? . That is what happens when apathy prevails at the ballot box. . The incumbent party with the largest majority are handed victory by voter indifference. . They could have voted for someone else to get the incumbent out, but they did not. Their vote is wasted. . Inaction only helps the oppressor. . You may not be handing them your vote, but you are handing them your indifference, and that allows them to continue. | |||
"Whether it has an immediate impact or not, there's no argument for change, if people don't show up. Saying you won't vote because they are all crap or it's pointless, is likely just going to keep the current government in situ so you might as well be voting for them. Voter apathy is part of keeping the broken system going strong. I'd rather voting was mandatory & we got to see what the majority actually want. Easier to accept things, even if we don't agree with them, when we can see it actually has majority support." I agree. With the option of none of the above. | |||
"not voting means i support neither because neither of them will improve my life. Unfortunately you are tacitly supporting one party. The party with the current majority in your area. . I'll put it another way. . Imagine a female friend come to you, and says, "My partner is beating me." . You say, "Ok" and proceed to do nothing. . Your indifference, neutrality, apathy, or whatever you wish to call it. . Does it help the abused or the abuser ? . That is what happens when apathy prevails at the ballot box. . The incumbent party with the largest majority are handed victory by voter indifference. . They could have voted for someone else to get the incumbent out, but they did not. Their vote is wasted. . Inaction only helps the oppressor. . You may not be handing them your vote, but you are handing them your indifference, and that allows them to continue. "
Apathy is a friend to the Tories | |||
"not voting means i support neither because neither of them will improve my life. Unfortunately you are tacitly supporting one party. The party with the current majority in your area. . I'll put it another way. . Imagine a female friend come to you, and says, "My partner is beating me." . You say, "Ok" and proceed to do nothing. . Your indifference, neutrality, apathy, or whatever you wish to call it. . Does it help the abused or the abuser ? . That is what happens when apathy prevails at the ballot box. . The incumbent party with the largest majority are handed victory by voter indifference. . They could have voted for someone else to get the incumbent out, but they did not. Their vote is wasted. . Inaction only helps the oppressor. . You may not be handing them your vote, but you are handing them your indifference, and that allows them to continue. " oh well i handed new labour my vote aswell then, or is that ok because it wasnt the torys, u wana take part in voting the crack on but there are plenty who dont want to take part and wont take part, like i said neither are gona make my day to day life any better so i not wasting my time ticking a box | |||
"What do you do if your not drawn to the smaller parties and won't vote for the 2 main ones. For me I pledged ages ago not to vote Tory this time around and Labour have far from won me over being a virtual carbon copy of the Tories, though I keep an open mind until the election. I'm hoping for a decent independent but that's not guaranteed. Perhaps Reform but then I would get accused of all sorts. Warming to the idea of a 'none of the above' option on the ballot paper. At election time go for one of those political quizzes it helps to show which party's policies you most align with. And don't worry about what people accuse you of, if you think we need more hate, division in the country and vote Reform, why would you care what anyone thinks or says. If it's truly what people believe, then they should be proud of it. " I tried one of those blind political quizzes a while back and the answer came back tory. Maybe I need to do a few and closer to the actual election but I suspect the results will be the same or very similar. | |||
"What do you do if your not drawn to the smaller parties and won't vote for the 2 main ones. For me I pledged ages ago not to vote Tory this time around and Labour have far from won me over being a virtual carbon copy of the Tories, though I keep an open mind until the election. I'm hoping for a decent independent but that's not guaranteed. Perhaps Reform but then I would get accused of all sorts. Warming to the idea of a 'none of the above' option on the ballot paper. At election time go for one of those political quizzes it helps to show which party's policies you most align with. And don't worry about what people accuse you of, if you think we need more hate, division in the country and vote Reform, why would you care what anyone thinks or says. If it's truly what people believe, then they should be proud of it. " Absolutely this, if you vote according to your beliefs why would you hide what they are? If your thought process goes along the lines of “people will think I’m a piece of shit if I vote Tory” maybe address why you need to pretend you are not a piece of shit, rather than hiding it. | |||
"not voting means i support neither because neither of them will improve my life. Unfortunately you are tacitly supporting one party. The party with the current majority in your area. . I'll put it another way. . Imagine a female friend come to you, and says, "My partner is beating me." . You say, "Ok" and proceed to do nothing. . Your indifference, neutrality, apathy, or whatever you wish to call it. . Does it help the abused or the abuser ? . That is what happens when apathy prevails at the ballot box. . The incumbent party with the largest majority are handed victory by voter indifference. . They could have voted for someone else to get the incumbent out, but they did not. Their vote is wasted. . Inaction only helps the oppressor. . You may not be handing them your vote, but you are handing them your indifference, and that allows them to continue. " I'm struggling to understand that explanation of not voting. If your point is vote for anyone except Tory to get them out then I understand the principal. However I don't see not voting at all as helping the incumbent MP as on election day all parties start from zero. As an example if I am the very first voter in my area to go to the polling station but then decide I'm not going to vote then until the next person the score is still 0-0. What am I missing | |||
"What do you do if your not drawn to the smaller parties and won't vote for the 2 main ones. For me I pledged ages ago not to vote Tory this time around and Labour have far from won me over being a virtual carbon copy of the Tories, though I keep an open mind until the election. I'm hoping for a decent independent but that's not guaranteed. Perhaps Reform but then I would get accused of all sorts. Warming to the idea of a 'none of the above' option on the ballot paper. At election time go for one of those political quizzes it helps to show which party's policies you most align with. And don't worry about what people accuse you of, if you think we need more hate, division in the country and vote Reform, why would you care what anyone thinks or says. If it's truly what people believe, then they should be proud of it. Absolutely this, if you vote according to your beliefs why would you hide what they are? If your thought process goes along the lines of “people will think I’m a piece of shit if I vote Tory” maybe address why you need to pretend you are not a piece of shit, rather than hiding it." Both you and Johnny are correct, I shouldn't think so much about what others think. I guess it depends on who you talk to as everyone has different opinions so so may think I'm a piece of shit to vote Tory others may think the same if I vote for Labour or reform or greens. | |||
"What do you do if your not drawn to the smaller parties and won't vote for the 2 main ones. For me I pledged ages ago not to vote Tory this time around and Labour have far from won me over being a virtual carbon copy of the Tories, though I keep an open mind until the election. I'm hoping for a decent independent but that's not guaranteed. Perhaps Reform but then I would get accused of all sorts. Warming to the idea of a 'none of the above' option on the ballot paper. At election time go for one of those political quizzes it helps to show which party's policies you most align with. And don't worry about what people accuse you of, if you think we need more hate, division in the country and vote Reform, why would you care what anyone thinks or says. If it's truly what people believe, then they should be proud of it. Absolutely this, if you vote according to your beliefs why would you hide what they are? If your thought process goes along the lines of “people will think I’m a piece of shit if I vote Tory” maybe address why you need to pretend you are not a piece of shit, rather than hiding it." Voting Tory doesn't make someone a piece of shit. Voting Reform doesn't make someone hateful. The problem is we all too often see people on the right shunned because the 'tolerant' won't accept that people think in different ways. It makes people 'hide' who they have voted for, for fear of being discriminated against. | |||
"What do you do if your not drawn to the smaller parties and won't vote for the 2 main ones. For me I pledged ages ago not to vote Tory this time around and Labour have far from won me over being a virtual carbon copy of the Tories, though I keep an open mind until the election. I'm hoping for a decent independent but that's not guaranteed. Perhaps Reform but then I would get accused of all sorts. Warming to the idea of a 'none of the above' option on the ballot paper. At election time go for one of those political quizzes it helps to show which party's policies you most align with. And don't worry about what people accuse you of, if you think we need more hate, division in the country and vote Reform, why would you care what anyone thinks or says. If it's truly what people believe, then they should be proud of it. I tried one of those blind political quizzes a while back and the answer came back tory. Maybe I need to do a few and closer to the actual election but I suspect the results will be the same or very similar." The better ones update their questions when the election manifestos are put forward. It's usually an interesting exercise, but of course there are factors other than policy that are of interest. | |||
"What do you do if your not drawn to the smaller parties and won't vote for the 2 main ones. For me I pledged ages ago not to vote Tory this time around and Labour have far from won me over being a virtual carbon copy of the Tories, though I keep an open mind until the election. I'm hoping for a decent independent but that's not guaranteed. Perhaps Reform but then I would get accused of all sorts. Warming to the idea of a 'none of the above' option on the ballot paper. At election time go for one of those political quizzes it helps to show which party's policies you most align with. And don't worry about what people accuse you of, if you think we need more hate, division in the country and vote Reform, why would you care what anyone thinks or says. If it's truly what people believe, then they should be proud of it. I tried one of those blind political quizzes a while back and the answer came back tory. Maybe I need to do a few and closer to the actual election but I suspect the results will be the same or very similar. The better ones update their questions when the election manifestos are put forward. It's usually an interesting exercise, but of course there are factors other than policy that are of interest. " Yes I will be doing them closer to the election. I'm not expecting much change but it's good to check. | |||
"What do you do if your not drawn to the smaller parties and won't vote for the 2 main ones. For me I pledged ages ago not to vote Tory this time around and Labour have far from won me over being a virtual carbon copy of the Tories, though I keep an open mind until the election. I'm hoping for a decent independent but that's not guaranteed. Perhaps Reform but then I would get accused of all sorts. Warming to the idea of a 'none of the above' option on the ballot paper. At election time go for one of those political quizzes it helps to show which party's policies you most align with. And don't worry about what people accuse you of, if you think we need more hate, division in the country and vote Reform, why would you care what anyone thinks or says. If it's truly what people believe, then they should be proud of it. Absolutely this, if you vote according to your beliefs why would you hide what they are? If your thought process goes along the lines of “people will think I’m a piece of shit if I vote Tory” maybe address why you need to pretend you are not a piece of shit, rather than hiding it. Voting Tory doesn't make someone a piece of shit. Voting Reform doesn't make someone hateful. The problem is we all too often see people on the right shunned because the 'tolerant' won't accept that people think in different ways. It makes people 'hide' who they have voted for, for fear of being discriminated against. " The Tories have been in power for 14 years, they won an 80 seat majority, it’s unlikely people have been discriminated against for voting Tory. However, if you want to hang around people who don’t vote Tory, and you fear may think poorly of you if they knew you did, think about why you like hanging with those people, and what it is about Tories they don’t like. | |||
"What do you do if your not drawn to the smaller parties and won't vote for the 2 main ones. For me I pledged ages ago not to vote Tory this time around and Labour have far from won me over being a virtual carbon copy of the Tories, though I keep an open mind until the election. I'm hoping for a decent independent but that's not guaranteed. Perhaps Reform but then I would get accused of all sorts. Warming to the idea of a 'none of the above' option on the ballot paper. At election time go for one of those political quizzes it helps to show which party's policies you most align with. And don't worry about what people accuse you of, if you think we need more hate, division in the country and vote Reform, why would you care what anyone thinks or says. If it's truly what people believe, then they should be proud of it. Absolutely this, if you vote according to your beliefs why would you hide what they are? If your thought process goes along the lines of “people will think I’m a piece of shit if I vote Tory” maybe address why you need to pretend you are not a piece of shit, rather than hiding it. Voting Tory doesn't make someone a piece of shit. Voting Reform doesn't make someone hateful. The problem is we all too often see people on the right shunned because the 'tolerant' won't accept that people think in different ways. It makes people 'hide' who they have voted for, for fear of being discriminated against. The Tories have been in power for 14 years, they won an 80 seat majority, it’s unlikely people have been discriminated against for voting Tory. However, if you want to hang around people who don’t vote Tory, and you fear may think poorly of you if they knew you did, think about why you like hanging with those people, and what it is about Tories they don’t like." I see you completely ignored the points I made and went off on your own little rant
What exactly is it that people 'don't like about Tory voters'?
We see all too often 'no fucking tories', nothing like being tolerant towards a large group of people you know fuck all about. As for 'hanging around with those people', no thanks, I'd rather shit in my hands and slow clap. | |||
"What do you do if your not drawn to the smaller parties and won't vote for the 2 main ones. For me I pledged ages ago not to vote Tory this time around and Labour have far from won me over being a virtual carbon copy of the Tories, though I keep an open mind until the election. I'm hoping for a decent independent but that's not guaranteed. Perhaps Reform but then I would get accused of all sorts. Warming to the idea of a 'none of the above' option on the ballot paper. At election time go for one of those political quizzes it helps to show which party's policies you most align with. And don't worry about what people accuse you of, if you think we need more hate, division in the country and vote Reform, why would you care what anyone thinks or says. If it's truly what people believe, then they should be proud of it. Absolutely this, if you vote according to your beliefs why would you hide what they are? If your thought process goes along the lines of “people will think I’m a piece of shit if I vote Tory” maybe address why you need to pretend you are not a piece of shit, rather than hiding it. Voting Tory doesn't make someone a piece of shit. Voting Reform doesn't make someone hateful. The problem is we all too often see people on the right shunned because the 'tolerant' won't accept that people think in different ways. It makes people 'hide' who they have voted for, for fear of being discriminated against. The Tories have been in power for 14 years, they won an 80 seat majority, it’s unlikely people have been discriminated against for voting Tory. However, if you want to hang around people who don’t vote Tory, and you fear may think poorly of you if they knew you did, think about why you like hanging with those people, and what it is about Tories they don’t like. I see you completely ignored the points I made and went off on your own little rant
What exactly is it that people 'don't like about Tory voters'?
We see all too often 'no fucking tories', nothing like being tolerant towards a large group of people you know fuck all about. As for 'hanging around with those people', no thanks, I'd rather shit in my hands and slow clap. "This site is full of profiles with things like "no Asians", "no whites", "no fat people", "no short men", "no foreigners". This is apparently fine, because preference is sacrosanct. Yet this site is also full of people whining that the completely free choice they make is discriminated against. Funny how it's completely fine until they're affected 
I don't like people who hold particular values. I find them unpleasant to be around. Personal preference - still sacrosanct. | |||
"What do you do if your not drawn to the smaller parties and won't vote for the 2 main ones. For me I pledged ages ago not to vote Tory this time around and Labour have far from won me over being a virtual carbon copy of the Tories, though I keep an open mind until the election. I'm hoping for a decent independent but that's not guaranteed. Perhaps Reform but then I would get accused of all sorts. Warming to the idea of a 'none of the above' option on the ballot paper. At election time go for one of those political quizzes it helps to show which party's policies you most align with. And don't worry about what people accuse you of, if you think we need more hate, division in the country and vote Reform, why would you care what anyone thinks or says. If it's truly what people believe, then they should be proud of it. Absolutely this, if you vote according to your beliefs why would you hide what they are? If your thought process goes along the lines of “people will think I’m a piece of shit if I vote Tory” maybe address why you need to pretend you are not a piece of shit, rather than hiding it. Voting Tory doesn't make someone a piece of shit. Voting Reform doesn't make someone hateful. The problem is we all too often see people on the right shunned because the 'tolerant' won't accept that people think in different ways. It makes people 'hide' who they have voted for, for fear of being discriminated against. The Tories have been in power for 14 years, they won an 80 seat majority, it’s unlikely people have been discriminated against for voting Tory. However, if you want to hang around people who don’t vote Tory, and you fear may think poorly of you if they knew you did, think about why you like hanging with those people, and what it is about Tories they don’t like. I see you completely ignored the points I made and went off on your own little rant
What exactly is it that people 'don't like about Tory voters'?
We see all too often 'no fucking tories', nothing like being tolerant towards a large group of people you know fuck all about. As for 'hanging around with those people', no thanks, I'd rather shit in my hands and slow clap.
This site is full of profiles with things like "no Asians", "no whites", "no fat people", "no short men", "no foreigners". This is apparently fine, because preference is sacrosanct.
Yet this site is also full of people whining that the completely free choice they make is discriminated against.
Funny how it's completely fine until they're affected
I don't like people who hold particular values. I find them unpleasant to be around. Personal preference - still sacrosanct. "You are correct that this site is full of this things. The main difference to anything you've shown is you wouldn't know a 'fucking tory', you would know all of the others by vision. Your personal choice is of course your personal choice, I can't tell you who to like and not to, I'd just argue its impossible to know without engaging with any individual. The poster said "If your thought process goes along the lines of “people will think I’m a piece of shit if I vote Tory” maybe address why you need to pretend you are not a piece of shit, rather than hiding it." That poster has shown they think 'tories' are 'pieces of shit' without knowing any individuals. | |||
"What do you do if your not drawn to the smaller parties and won't vote for the 2 main ones. For me I pledged ages ago not to vote Tory this time around and Labour have far from won me over being a virtual carbon copy of the Tories, though I keep an open mind until the election. I'm hoping for a decent independent but that's not guaranteed. Perhaps Reform but then I would get accused of all sorts. Warming to the idea of a 'none of the above' option on the ballot paper. At election time go for one of those political quizzes it helps to show which party's policies you most align with. And don't worry about what people accuse you of, if you think we need more hate, division in the country and vote Reform, why would you care what anyone thinks or says. If it's truly what people believe, then they should be proud of it. Absolutely this, if you vote according to your beliefs why would you hide what they are? If your thought process goes along the lines of “people will think I’m a piece of shit if I vote Tory” maybe address why you need to pretend you are not a piece of shit, rather than hiding it. Voting Tory doesn't make someone a piece of shit. Voting Reform doesn't make someone hateful. The problem is we all too often see people on the right shunned because the 'tolerant' won't accept that people think in different ways. It makes people 'hide' who they have voted for, for fear of being discriminated against. The Tories have been in power for 14 years, they won an 80 seat majority, it’s unlikely people have been discriminated against for voting Tory. However, if you want to hang around people who don’t vote Tory, and you fear may think poorly of you if they knew you did, think about why you like hanging with those people, and what it is about Tories they don’t like. I see you completely ignored the points I made and went off on your own little rant
What exactly is it that people 'don't like about Tory voters'?
We see all too often 'no fucking tories', nothing like being tolerant towards a large group of people you know fuck all about. As for 'hanging around with those people', no thanks, I'd rather shit in my hands and slow clap.
This site is full of profiles with things like "no Asians", "no whites", "no fat people", "no short men", "no foreigners". This is apparently fine, because preference is sacrosanct.
Yet this site is also full of people whining that the completely free choice they make is discriminated against.
Funny how it's completely fine until they're affected
I don't like people who hold particular values. I find them unpleasant to be around. Personal preference - still sacrosanct.
You are correct that this site is full of this things. The main difference to anything you've shown is you wouldn't know a 'fucking tory', you would know all of the others by vision.
Your personal choice is of course your personal choice, I can't tell you who to like and not to, I'd just argue its impossible to know without engaging with any individual.
The poster said "If your thought process goes along the lines of “people will think I’m a piece of shit if I vote Tory” maybe address why you need to pretend you are not a piece of shit, rather than hiding it."
That poster has shown they think 'tories' are 'pieces of shit' without knowing any individuals. "So the only characteristics by which one can choose a sexual partner are visual? Fascinating. My profile says the words "I don't want to have uncomfortable conversations with lovers" and while it does not say the words "Tory" "conservative" or "right winger", it's very much aimed at that. I've discovered that my accent tends to provoke... opinions from people. The idea that I know their sister's best friend's babysitter's dog walker's second cousin who moved to Perth is a bit daft but it comes from a nice enough place. Being subjected to yet another lecture about why Australia doesn't exist and I'm not a real foreign like those icky people, or something about how Brexit means good things for Proper People like me, or whatever the fuck else... I'd rather fuck something sharp and tetanus laden. I can't change my accent. But I can reduce the number of people I interact with who insist on lecturing me like that, because of the accident of where I was born. | |||
"What do you do if your not drawn to the smaller parties and won't vote for the 2 main ones. For me I pledged ages ago not to vote Tory this time around and Labour have far from won me over being a virtual carbon copy of the Tories, though I keep an open mind until the election. I'm hoping for a decent independent but that's not guaranteed. Perhaps Reform but then I would get accused of all sorts. Warming to the idea of a 'none of the above' option on the ballot paper. At election time go for one of those political quizzes it helps to show which party's policies you most align with. And don't worry about what people accuse you of, if you think we need more hate, division in the country and vote Reform, why would you care what anyone thinks or says. If it's truly what people believe, then they should be proud of it. Absolutely this, if you vote according to your beliefs why would you hide what they are? If your thought process goes along the lines of “people will think I’m a piece of shit if I vote Tory” maybe address why you need to pretend you are not a piece of shit, rather than hiding it. Voting Tory doesn't make someone a piece of shit. Voting Reform doesn't make someone hateful. The problem is we all too often see people on the right shunned because the 'tolerant' won't accept that people think in different ways. It makes people 'hide' who they have voted for, for fear of being discriminated against. The Tories have been in power for 14 years, they won an 80 seat majority, it’s unlikely people have been discriminated against for voting Tory. However, if you want to hang around people who don’t vote Tory, and you fear may think poorly of you if they knew you did, think about why you like hanging with those people, and what it is about Tories they don’t like. I see you completely ignored the points I made and went off on your own little rant
What exactly is it that people 'don't like about Tory voters'?
We see all too often 'no fucking tories', nothing like being tolerant towards a large group of people you know fuck all about. As for 'hanging around with those people', no thanks, I'd rather shit in my hands and slow clap.
This site is full of profiles with things like "no Asians", "no whites", "no fat people", "no short men", "no foreigners". This is apparently fine, because preference is sacrosanct.
Yet this site is also full of people whining that the completely free choice they make is discriminated against.
Funny how it's completely fine until they're affected
I don't like people who hold particular values. I find them unpleasant to be around. Personal preference - still sacrosanct.
You are correct that this site is full of this things. The main difference to anything you've shown is you wouldn't know a 'fucking tory', you would know all of the others by vision.
Your personal choice is of course your personal choice, I can't tell you who to like and not to, I'd just argue its impossible to know without engaging with any individual.
The poster said "If your thought process goes along the lines of “people will think I’m a piece of shit if I vote Tory” maybe address why you need to pretend you are not a piece of shit, rather than hiding it."
That poster has shown they think 'tories' are 'pieces of shit' without knowing any individuals.
So the only characteristics by which one can choose a sexual partner are visual? Fascinating.
My profile says the words "I don't want to have uncomfortable conversations with lovers" and while it does not say the words "Tory" "conservative" or "right winger", it's very much aimed at that.
I've discovered that my accent tends to provoke... opinions from people. The idea that I know their sister's best friend's babysitter's dog walker's second cousin who moved to Perth is a bit daft but it comes from a nice enough place. Being subjected to yet another lecture about why Australia doesn't exist and I'm not a real foreign like those icky people, or something about how Brexit means good things for Proper People like me, or whatever the fuck else... I'd rather fuck something sharp and tetanus laden.
I can't change my accent. But I can reduce the number of people I interact with who insist on lecturing me like that, because of the accident of where I was born."Did I say only visual characteristics can be the measure? I don't think I did. I'll repeat, you can have zero idea of someone's 'politics' unless you converse with them. Let's try not to twist words. Again, for someone to hear your accent and comment on it, you'd have to have some sort of interaction. You're quite a smart woman, I'm not sure this really needs explaining. | |||
"What do you do if your not drawn to the smaller parties and won't vote for the 2 main ones. For me I pledged ages ago not to vote Tory this time around and Labour have far from won me over being a virtual carbon copy of the Tories, though I keep an open mind until the election. I'm hoping for a decent independent but that's not guaranteed. Perhaps Reform but then I would get accused of all sorts. Warming to the idea of a 'none of the above' option on the ballot paper. At election time go for one of those political quizzes it helps to show which party's policies you most align with. And don't worry about what people accuse you of, if you think we need more hate, division in the country and vote Reform, why would you care what anyone thinks or says. If it's truly what people believe, then they should be proud of it. Absolutely this, if you vote according to your beliefs why would you hide what they are? If your thought process goes along the lines of “people will think I’m a piece of shit if I vote Tory” maybe address why you need to pretend you are not a piece of shit, rather than hiding it. Voting Tory doesn't make someone a piece of shit. Voting Reform doesn't make someone hateful. The problem is we all too often see people on the right shunned because the 'tolerant' won't accept that people think in different ways. It makes people 'hide' who they have voted for, for fear of being discriminated against. The Tories have been in power for 14 years, they won an 80 seat majority, it’s unlikely people have been discriminated against for voting Tory. However, if you want to hang around people who don’t vote Tory, and you fear may think poorly of you if they knew you did, think about why you like hanging with those people, and what it is about Tories they don’t like. I see you completely ignored the points I made and went off on your own little rant
What exactly is it that people 'don't like about Tory voters'?
We see all too often 'no fucking tories', nothing like being tolerant towards a large group of people you know fuck all about. As for 'hanging around with those people', no thanks, I'd rather shit in my hands and slow clap.
This site is full of profiles with things like "no Asians", "no whites", "no fat people", "no short men", "no foreigners". This is apparently fine, because preference is sacrosanct.
Yet this site is also full of people whining that the completely free choice they make is discriminated against.
Funny how it's completely fine until they're affected
I don't like people who hold particular values. I find them unpleasant to be around. Personal preference - still sacrosanct.
You are correct that this site is full of this things. The main difference to anything you've shown is you wouldn't know a 'fucking tory', you would know all of the others by vision.
Your personal choice is of course your personal choice, I can't tell you who to like and not to, I'd just argue its impossible to know without engaging with any individual.
The poster said "If your thought process goes along the lines of “people will think I’m a piece of shit if I vote Tory” maybe address why you need to pretend you are not a piece of shit, rather than hiding it."
That poster has shown they think 'tories' are 'pieces of shit' without knowing any individuals.
So the only characteristics by which one can choose a sexual partner are visual? Fascinating.
My profile says the words "I don't want to have uncomfortable conversations with lovers" and while it does not say the words "Tory" "conservative" or "right winger", it's very much aimed at that.
I've discovered that my accent tends to provoke... opinions from people. The idea that I know their sister's best friend's babysitter's dog walker's second cousin who moved to Perth is a bit daft but it comes from a nice enough place. Being subjected to yet another lecture about why Australia doesn't exist and I'm not a real foreign like those icky people, or something about how Brexit means good things for Proper People like me, or whatever the fuck else... I'd rather fuck something sharp and tetanus laden.
I can't change my accent. But I can reduce the number of people I interact with who insist on lecturing me like that, because of the accident of where I was born.
Did I say only visual characteristics can be the measure? I don't think I did.
I'll repeat, you can have zero idea of someone's 'politics' unless you converse with them.
Let's try not to twist words.
Again, for someone to hear your accent and comment on it, you'd have to have some sort of interaction. You're quite a smart woman, I'm not sure this really needs explaining.
"You said "you would know all of the others by vision". Which implies that you have created a category based on sight. Let's not be dishonest. I am stating the reality of my situation - that once I open my mouth, I get... opinions. If I try to deter certain people from contacting me, I am less likely to be subjected to that unpleasantness. I'm not here for unpleasantness. I have found from long experience (having lived in this country for over a decade and also having comparable experiences in Australia) that open conversations with people who veer to the right tend to be one or all of cretinous, callous, and cruel. None of which I want to spend my time with. Could I be missing out on the best sex of my life with the most amazing person ever who'll change my life? Perhaps. It's more than worth the risk | |||
"What do you do if your not drawn to the smaller parties and won't vote for the 2 main ones. For me I pledged ages ago not to vote Tory this time around and Labour have far from won me over being a virtual carbon copy of the Tories, though I keep an open mind until the election. I'm hoping for a decent independent but that's not guaranteed. Perhaps Reform but then I would get accused of all sorts. Warming to the idea of a 'none of the above' option on the ballot paper. At election time go for one of those political quizzes it helps to show which party's policies you most align with. And don't worry about what people accuse you of, if you think we need more hate, division in the country and vote Reform, why would you care what anyone thinks or says. If it's truly what people believe, then they should be proud of it. Absolutely this, if you vote according to your beliefs why would you hide what they are? If your thought process goes along the lines of “people will think I’m a piece of shit if I vote Tory” maybe address why you need to pretend you are not a piece of shit, rather than hiding it. Voting Tory doesn't make someone a piece of shit. Voting Reform doesn't make someone hateful. The problem is we all too often see people on the right shunned because the 'tolerant' won't accept that people think in different ways. It makes people 'hide' who they have voted for, for fear of being discriminated against. The Tories have been in power for 14 years, they won an 80 seat majority, it’s unlikely people have been discriminated against for voting Tory. However, if you want to hang around people who don’t vote Tory, and you fear may think poorly of you if they knew you did, think about why you like hanging with those people, and what it is about Tories they don’t like. I see you completely ignored the points I made and went off on your own little rant
What exactly is it that people 'don't like about Tory voters'?
We see all too often 'no fucking tories', nothing like being tolerant towards a large group of people you know fuck all about. As for 'hanging around with those people', no thanks, I'd rather shit in my hands and slow clap.
This site is full of profiles with things like "no Asians", "no whites", "no fat people", "no short men", "no foreigners". This is apparently fine, because preference is sacrosanct.
Yet this site is also full of people whining that the completely free choice they make is discriminated against.
Funny how it's completely fine until they're affected
I don't like people who hold particular values. I find them unpleasant to be around. Personal preference - still sacrosanct.
You are correct that this site is full of this things. The main difference to anything you've shown is you wouldn't know a 'fucking tory', you would know all of the others by vision.
Your personal choice is of course your personal choice, I can't tell you who to like and not to, I'd just argue its impossible to know without engaging with any individual.
The poster said "If your thought process goes along the lines of “people will think I’m a piece of shit if I vote Tory” maybe address why you need to pretend you are not a piece of shit, rather than hiding it."
That poster has shown they think 'tories' are 'pieces of shit' without knowing any individuals.
So the only characteristics by which one can choose a sexual partner are visual? Fascinating.
My profile says the words "I don't want to have uncomfortable conversations with lovers" and while it does not say the words "Tory" "conservative" or "right winger", it's very much aimed at that.
I've discovered that my accent tends to provoke... opinions from people. The idea that I know their sister's best friend's babysitter's dog walker's second cousin who moved to Perth is a bit daft but it comes from a nice enough place. Being subjected to yet another lecture about why Australia doesn't exist and I'm not a real foreign like those icky people, or something about how Brexit means good things for Proper People like me, or whatever the fuck else... I'd rather fuck something sharp and tetanus laden.
I can't change my accent. But I can reduce the number of people I interact with who insist on lecturing me like that, because of the accident of where I was born.
Did I say only visual characteristics can be the measure? I don't think I did.
I'll repeat, you can have zero idea of someone's 'politics' unless you converse with them.
Let's try not to twist words.
Again, for someone to hear your accent and comment on it, you'd have to have some sort of interaction. You're quite a smart woman, I'm not sure this really needs explaining.
You said "you would know all of the others by vision". Which implies that you have created a category based on sight. Let's not be dishonest.
I am stating the reality of my situation - that once I open my mouth, I get... opinions. If I try to deter certain people from contacting me, I am less likely to be subjected to that unpleasantness. I'm not here for unpleasantness.
I have found from long experience (having lived in this country for over a decade and also having comparable experiences in Australia) that open conversations with people who veer to the right tend to be one or all of cretinous, callous, and cruel. None of which I want to spend my time with.
Could I be missing out on the best sex of my life with the most amazing person ever who'll change my life?
Perhaps. It's more than worth the risk "I did say that in response to all of your examples. Am I wrong? Are you saying we're not allowed to be 'visually' attracted now? Someone who would 'veer to the right' could do so for a vast number of reasons. You would have no idea of any individuals reasons. I'm not even sure how we got to here from 'people would label me if I vote a certain way'. You're proving the fucking point he made. | |||
"What do you do if your not drawn to the smaller parties and won't vote for the 2 main ones. For me I pledged ages ago not to vote Tory this time around and Labour have far from won me over being a virtual carbon copy of the Tories, though I keep an open mind until the election. I'm hoping for a decent independent but that's not guaranteed. Perhaps Reform but then I would get accused of all sorts. Warming to the idea of a 'none of the above' option on the ballot paper. At election time go for one of those political quizzes it helps to show which party's policies you most align with. And don't worry about what people accuse you of, if you think we need more hate, division in the country and vote Reform, why would you care what anyone thinks or says. If it's truly what people believe, then they should be proud of it. Absolutely this, if you vote according to your beliefs why would you hide what they are? If your thought process goes along the lines of “people will think I’m a piece of shit if I vote Tory” maybe address why you need to pretend you are not a piece of shit, rather than hiding it. Voting Tory doesn't make someone a piece of shit. Voting Reform doesn't make someone hateful. The problem is we all too often see people on the right shunned because the 'tolerant' won't accept that people think in different ways. It makes people 'hide' who they have voted for, for fear of being discriminated against. The Tories have been in power for 14 years, they won an 80 seat majority, it’s unlikely people have been discriminated against for voting Tory. However, if you want to hang around people who don’t vote Tory, and you fear may think poorly of you if they knew you did, think about why you like hanging with those people, and what it is about Tories they don’t like. I see you completely ignored the points I made and went off on your own little rant
What exactly is it that people 'don't like about Tory voters'?
We see all too often 'no fucking tories', nothing like being tolerant towards a large group of people you know fuck all about. As for 'hanging around with those people', no thanks, I'd rather shit in my hands and slow clap.
This site is full of profiles with things like "no Asians", "no whites", "no fat people", "no short men", "no foreigners". This is apparently fine, because preference is sacrosanct.
Yet this site is also full of people whining that the completely free choice they make is discriminated against.
Funny how it's completely fine until they're affected
I don't like people who hold particular values. I find them unpleasant to be around. Personal preference - still sacrosanct.
You are correct that this site is full of this things. The main difference to anything you've shown is you wouldn't know a 'fucking tory', you would know all of the others by vision.
Your personal choice is of course your personal choice, I can't tell you who to like and not to, I'd just argue its impossible to know without engaging with any individual.
The poster said "If your thought process goes along the lines of “people will think I’m a piece of shit if I vote Tory” maybe address why you need to pretend you are not a piece of shit, rather than hiding it."
That poster has shown they think 'tories' are 'pieces of shit' without knowing any individuals.
So the only characteristics by which one can choose a sexual partner are visual? Fascinating.
My profile says the words "I don't want to have uncomfortable conversations with lovers" and while it does not say the words "Tory" "conservative" or "right winger", it's very much aimed at that.
I've discovered that my accent tends to provoke... opinions from people. The idea that I know their sister's best friend's babysitter's dog walker's second cousin who moved to Perth is a bit daft but it comes from a nice enough place. Being subjected to yet another lecture about why Australia doesn't exist and I'm not a real foreign like those icky people, or something about how Brexit means good things for Proper People like me, or whatever the fuck else... I'd rather fuck something sharp and tetanus laden.
I can't change my accent. But I can reduce the number of people I interact with who insist on lecturing me like that, because of the accident of where I was born.
Did I say only visual characteristics can be the measure? I don't think I did.
I'll repeat, you can have zero idea of someone's 'politics' unless you converse with them.
Let's try not to twist words.
Again, for someone to hear your accent and comment on it, you'd have to have some sort of interaction. You're quite a smart woman, I'm not sure this really needs explaining.
You said "you would know all of the others by vision". Which implies that you have created a category based on sight. Let's not be dishonest.
I am stating the reality of my situation - that once I open my mouth, I get... opinions. If I try to deter certain people from contacting me, I am less likely to be subjected to that unpleasantness. I'm not here for unpleasantness.
I have found from long experience (having lived in this country for over a decade and also having comparable experiences in Australia) that open conversations with people who veer to the right tend to be one or all of cretinous, callous, and cruel. None of which I want to spend my time with.
Could I be missing out on the best sex of my life with the most amazing person ever who'll change my life?
Perhaps. It's more than worth the risk
I did say that in response to all of your examples. Am I wrong?
Are you saying we're not allowed to be 'visually' attracted now?
Someone who would 'veer to the right' could do so for a vast number of reasons.
You would have no idea of any individuals reasons. I'm not even sure how we got to here from 'people would label me if I vote a certain way'. You're proving the fucking point he made. "You seem to indicate that the only reason why someone might not want to engage with someone is based on appearance. Which isn't true. There are many reasons. I don't care why anyone veers to the right. I've had enough conversations and the like to know I want nothing to do with them in an intimate setting. I get to make my own choices about my body and my life. It's definitely true that people will judge based on how you vote. That's never not been true. People judge on everything. Except for some reason we're supposed to pretend we don't
I've told you exactly why I feel the way I do, and why I'm not prepared to take the chance on the magical mystical unicorn Tory who doesn't want to make me vomit. | |||
"What do you do if your not drawn to the smaller parties and won't vote for the 2 main ones. For me I pledged ages ago not to vote Tory this time around and Labour have far from won me over being a virtual carbon copy of the Tories, though I keep an open mind until the election. I'm hoping for a decent independent but that's not guaranteed. Perhaps Reform but then I would get accused of all sorts. Warming to the idea of a 'none of the above' option on the ballot paper. At election time go for one of those political quizzes it helps to show which party's policies you most align with. And don't worry about what people accuse you of, if you think we need more hate, division in the country and vote Reform, why would you care what anyone thinks or says. If it's truly what people believe, then they should be proud of it. Absolutely this, if you vote according to your beliefs why would you hide what they are? If your thought process goes along the lines of “people will think I’m a piece of shit if I vote Tory” maybe address why you need to pretend you are not a piece of shit, rather than hiding it. Voting Tory doesn't make someone a piece of shit. Voting Reform doesn't make someone hateful. The problem is we all too often see people on the right shunned because the 'tolerant' won't accept that people think in different ways. It makes people 'hide' who they have voted for, for fear of being discriminated against. The Tories have been in power for 14 years, they won an 80 seat majority, it’s unlikely people have been discriminated against for voting Tory. However, if you want to hang around people who don’t vote Tory, and you fear may think poorly of you if they knew you did, think about why you like hanging with those people, and what it is about Tories they don’t like. I see you completely ignored the points I made and went off on your own little rant
What exactly is it that people 'don't like about Tory voters'?
We see all too often 'no fucking tories', nothing like being tolerant towards a large group of people you know fuck all about. As for 'hanging around with those people', no thanks, I'd rather shit in my hands and slow clap.
This site is full of profiles with things like "no Asians", "no whites", "no fat people", "no short men", "no foreigners". This is apparently fine, because preference is sacrosanct.
Yet this site is also full of people whining that the completely free choice they make is discriminated against.
Funny how it's completely fine until they're affected
I don't like people who hold particular values. I find them unpleasant to be around. Personal preference - still sacrosanct.
You are correct that this site is full of this things. The main difference to anything you've shown is you wouldn't know a 'fucking tory', you would know all of the others by vision.
Your personal choice is of course your personal choice, I can't tell you who to like and not to, I'd just argue its impossible to know without engaging with any individual.
The poster said "If your thought process goes along the lines of “people will think I’m a piece of shit if I vote Tory” maybe address why you need to pretend you are not a piece of shit, rather than hiding it."
That poster has shown they think 'tories' are 'pieces of shit' without knowing any individuals.
So the only characteristics by which one can choose a sexual partner are visual? Fascinating.
My profile says the words "I don't want to have uncomfortable conversations with lovers" and while it does not say the words "Tory" "conservative" or "right winger", it's very much aimed at that.
I've discovered that my accent tends to provoke... opinions from people. The idea that I know their sister's best friend's babysitter's dog walker's second cousin who moved to Perth is a bit daft but it comes from a nice enough place. Being subjected to yet another lecture about why Australia doesn't exist and I'm not a real foreign like those icky people, or something about how Brexit means good things for Proper People like me, or whatever the fuck else... I'd rather fuck something sharp and tetanus laden.
I can't change my accent. But I can reduce the number of people I interact with who insist on lecturing me like that, because of the accident of where I was born.
Did I say only visual characteristics can be the measure? I don't think I did.
I'll repeat, you can have zero idea of someone's 'politics' unless you converse with them.
Let's try not to twist words.
Again, for someone to hear your accent and comment on it, you'd have to have some sort of interaction. You're quite a smart woman, I'm not sure this really needs explaining.
You said "you would know all of the others by vision". Which implies that you have created a category based on sight. Let's not be dishonest.
I am stating the reality of my situation - that once I open my mouth, I get... opinions. If I try to deter certain people from contacting me, I am less likely to be subjected to that unpleasantness. I'm not here for unpleasantness.
I have found from long experience (having lived in this country for over a decade and also having comparable experiences in Australia) that open conversations with people who veer to the right tend to be one or all of cretinous, callous, and cruel. None of which I want to spend my time with.
Could I be missing out on the best sex of my life with the most amazing person ever who'll change my life?
Perhaps. It's more than worth the risk
I did say that in response to all of your examples. Am I wrong?
Are you saying we're not allowed to be 'visually' attracted now?
Someone who would 'veer to the right' could do so for a vast number of reasons.
You would have no idea of any individuals reasons. I'm not even sure how we got to here from 'people would label me if I vote a certain way'. You're proving the fucking point he made.
You seem to indicate that the only reason why someone might not want to engage with someone is based on appearance. Which isn't true. There are many reasons.
I don't care why anyone veers to the right. I've had enough conversations and the like to know I want nothing to do with them in an intimate setting. I get to make my own choices about my body and my life.
It's definitely true that people will judge based on how you vote. That's never not been true. People judge on everything. Except for some reason we're supposed to pretend we don't
I've told you exactly why I feel the way I do, and why I'm not prepared to take the chance on the magical mystical unicorn Tory who doesn't want to make me vomit."I haven't suggested anything of the sort. I've suggested without visual there would be no way to know without interaction. You're clearly not interested in reading what is actually written so I'll leave this where it is. | |||
"I haven't suggested anything of the sort. I've suggested without visual there would be no way to know without interaction. You're clearly not interested in reading what is actually written so I'll leave this where it is. " So I answered the question that was asked, yet I'm the one who can't read
I've also quite clearly said I do not want to interact with people like that in this setting. And said why.
How many discussions do I have to have about the joys of drowning immigrants, the idea that my country doesn't exist, the glee in making children go hungry, and the like, before I get to decide that I don't like people of a particular ideological bent? (There are many more besides.)
If someone says "no Asians" because some Asians are pushy and sexist, most people on this site would say that's fine, because preference. Yet when I say "no Tories", because many Tories I've encountered have had horrifying, illogical, cruel, ahistorical, fascist takes which I despise, I have to keep interacting with them?
fuck all of that.
Asian is not something someone can change. Tory, one can.
The original question, as you so kindly reminded me, was whether or not someone judges you for the way you vote.
Yes. People judge the way other people vote.
Why do people judge in that way?
I've been very clear about my feelings as to why I feel that way.
Does it require interaction with all people of a particular persuasion to decide if you want to eliminate all of them from your search?
Only if the same applies to race, height, etc. Why should person X waste their time vetting hundreds of (insert race here) men in the hopes of finding one attractive? Why should I waste my time talking to hundreds of people whose views repulse me, on the off chance that one of them overcomes their views? This site isn't a charity. I don't owe my time to anyone. | |||
"I haven't suggested anything of the sort. I've suggested without visual there would be no way to know without interaction. You're clearly not interested in reading what is actually written so I'll leave this where it is. So I answered the question that was asked, yet I'm the one who can't read
I've also quite clearly said I do not want to interact with people like that in this setting. And said why.
How many discussions do I have to have about the joys of drowning immigrants, the idea that my country doesn't exist, the glee in making children go hungry, and the like, before I get to decide that I don't like people of a particular ideological bent? (There are many more besides.)
If someone says "no Asians" because some Asians are pushy and sexist, most people on this site would say that's fine, because preference. Yet when I say "no Tories", because many Tories I've encountered have had horrifying, illogical, cruel, ahistorical, fascist takes which I despise, I have to keep interacting with them?
fuck all of that.
Asian is not something someone can change. Tory, one can.
The original question, as you so kindly reminded me, was whether or not someone judges you for the way you vote.
Yes. People judge the way other people vote.
Why do people judge in that way?
I've been very clear about my feelings as to why I feel that way.
Does it require interaction with all people of a particular persuasion to decide if you want to eliminate all of them from your search?
Only if the same applies to race, height, etc. Why should person X waste their time vetting hundreds of (insert race here) men in the hopes of finding one attractive? Why should I waste my time talking to hundreds of people whose views repulse me, on the off chance that one of them overcomes their views? This site isn't a charity. I don't owe my time to anyone."Yet again, you have no interest in reading what is ACTUALLY WRITTEN. I come to this conclusion because I didn't say you can't read. So either, you're interpreting your own version or purposely trying to twist my words. There's really no point in going any further. | |||
"What do you do if your not drawn to the smaller parties and won't vote for the 2 main ones. For me I pledged ages ago not to vote Tory this time around and Labour have far from won me over being a virtual carbon copy of the Tories, though I keep an open mind until the election. I'm hoping for a decent independent but that's not guaranteed. Perhaps Reform but then I would get accused of all sorts. Warming to the idea of a 'none of the above' option on the ballot paper. At election time go for one of those political quizzes it helps to show which party's policies you most align with. And don't worry about what people accuse you of, if you think we need more hate, division in the country and vote Reform, why would you care what anyone thinks or says. If it's truly what people believe, then they should be proud of it. Absolutely this, if you vote according to your beliefs why would you hide what they are? If your thought process goes along the lines of “people will think I’m a piece of shit if I vote Tory” maybe address why you need to pretend you are not a piece of shit, rather than hiding it. Voting Tory doesn't make someone a piece of shit. Voting Reform doesn't make someone hateful. The problem is we all too often see people on the right shunned because the 'tolerant' won't accept that people think in different ways. It makes people 'hide' who they have voted for, for fear of being discriminated against. The Tories have been in power for 14 years, they won an 80 seat majority, it’s unlikely people have been discriminated against for voting Tory. However, if you want to hang around people who don’t vote Tory, and you fear may think poorly of you if they knew you did, think about why you like hanging with those people, and what it is about Tories they don’t like. I see you completely ignored the points I made and went off on your own little rant
What exactly is it that people 'don't like about Tory voters'?
We see all too often 'no fucking tories', nothing like being tolerant towards a large group of people you know fuck all about. As for 'hanging around with those people', no thanks, I'd rather shit in my hands and slow clap. "I’d hate to rob you of the opportunity for some self reflection, why do you think people hate Tories? | |||
"What do you do if your not drawn to the smaller parties and won't vote for the 2 main ones. For me I pledged ages ago not to vote Tory this time around and Labour have far from won me over being a virtual carbon copy of the Tories, though I keep an open mind until the election. I'm hoping for a decent independent but that's not guaranteed. Perhaps Reform but then I would get accused of all sorts. Warming to the idea of a 'none of the above' option on the ballot paper. At election time go for one of those political quizzes it helps to show which party's policies you most align with. And don't worry about what people accuse you of, if you think we need more hate, division in the country and vote Reform, why would you care what anyone thinks or says. If it's truly what people believe, then they should be proud of it. Absolutely this, if you vote according to your beliefs why would you hide what they are? If your thought process goes along the lines of “people will think I’m a piece of shit if I vote Tory” maybe address why you need to pretend you are not a piece of shit, rather than hiding it. Voting Tory doesn't make someone a piece of shit. Voting Reform doesn't make someone hateful. The problem is we all too often see people on the right shunned because the 'tolerant' won't accept that people think in different ways. It makes people 'hide' who they have voted for, for fear of being discriminated against. The Tories have been in power for 14 years, they won an 80 seat majority, it’s unlikely people have been discriminated against for voting Tory. However, if you want to hang around people who don’t vote Tory, and you fear may think poorly of you if they knew you did, think about why you like hanging with those people, and what it is about Tories they don’t like. I see you completely ignored the points I made and went off on your own little rant
What exactly is it that people 'don't like about Tory voters'?
We see all too often 'no fucking tories', nothing like being tolerant towards a large group of people you know fuck all about. As for 'hanging around with those people', no thanks, I'd rather shit in my hands and slow clap.
I’d hate to rob you of the opportunity for some self reflection, why do you think people hate Tories?"It's not really possible for me to self reflect in this instance seeing as I'm not a Tory. It would be quite simple just to answer the question I'd imagine. | |||
"What do you do if your not drawn to the smaller parties and won't vote for the 2 main ones. For me I pledged ages ago not to vote Tory this time around and Labour have far from won me over being a virtual carbon copy of the Tories, though I keep an open mind until the election. I'm hoping for a decent independent but that's not guaranteed. Perhaps Reform but then I would get accused of all sorts. Warming to the idea of a 'none of the above' option on the ballot paper. At election time go for one of those political quizzes it helps to show which party's policies you most align with. And don't worry about what people accuse you of, if you think we need more hate, division in the country and vote Reform, why would you care what anyone thinks or says. If it's truly what people believe, then they should be proud of it. Absolutely this, if you vote according to your beliefs why would you hide what they are? If your thought process goes along the lines of “people will think I’m a piece of shit if I vote Tory” maybe address why you need to pretend you are not a piece of shit, rather than hiding it. Voting Tory doesn't make someone a piece of shit. Voting Reform doesn't make someone hateful. The problem is we all too often see people on the right shunned because the 'tolerant' won't accept that people think in different ways. It makes people 'hide' who they have voted for, for fear of being discriminated against. The Tories have been in power for 14 years, they won an 80 seat majority, it’s unlikely people have been discriminated against for voting Tory. However, if you want to hang around people who don’t vote Tory, and you fear may think poorly of you if they knew you did, think about why you like hanging with those people, and what it is about Tories they don’t like. I see you completely ignored the points I made and went off on your own little rant
What exactly is it that people 'don't like about Tory voters'?
We see all too often 'no fucking tories', nothing like being tolerant towards a large group of people you know fuck all about. As for 'hanging around with those people', no thanks, I'd rather shit in my hands and slow clap.
I’d hate to rob you of the opportunity for some self reflection, why do you think people hate Tories?
It's not really possible for me to self reflect in this instance seeing as I'm not a Tory.
It would be quite simple just to answer the question I'd imagine. "In that case no need to self reflect, just have a think about it x | |||
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"To those who live in London who is voting in the Mayoral election?they are all voting khan lol "I'm voting for anyone who ISN'T Khan
Count Binface for Mayor | |||
"To those who live in London who is voting in the Mayoral election?they are all voting khan lol
I'm voting for anyone who ISN'T Khan
Count Binface for Mayor"Khan will win easily | |||
"To those who live in London who is voting in the Mayoral election?they are all voting khan lol
I'm voting for anyone who ISN'T Khan
Count Binface for Mayor
Khan will win easily "I know  | |||
"To those who live in London who is voting in the Mayoral election?they are all voting khan lol
I'm voting for anyone who ISN'T Khan
Count Binface for Mayor
Khan will win easily
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"For me I always vote in GE because I like the feeling of empowerment it brings. I don't vote in the Fabs best bum competition because I run that. But I think I can understand peoples opinions on not voting especially if they or the other in a FPP constituency and FPP unlike AVplus or PP did not support voting for bon mainstream parties. Alas those who do not vote then really don't deserve a political opinion because they had an opportunity to have their vote matter in an election. " as george carling once said those who dont vote have a right to moan about politicians, those who vote dont have that right because there the ones who put these people in power | |||
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"We do vote. Don't always see the point. But we do it and we take the kids with us, we didn't want them to grow up not understanding that voting is just something adults do to try and help see improvement whether it be local or general elections " Well said I could have written that! I always vote, nationally and locally. | |||
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"For me I always vote in GE because I like the feeling of empowerment it brings. I don't vote in the Fabs best bum competition because I run that. But I think I can understand peoples opinions on not voting especially if they or the other in a FPP constituency and FPP unlike AVplus or PP did not support voting for bon mainstream parties. Alas those who do not vote then really don't deserve a political opinion because they had an opportunity to have their vote matter in an election. as george carling once said those who dont vote have a right to moan about politicians, those who vote dont have that right because there the ones who put these people in power" Too true | |||
"For me I always vote in GE because I like the feeling of empowerment it brings. I don't vote in the Fabs best bum competition because I run that. But I think I can understand peoples opinions on not voting especially if they or the other in a FPP constituency and FPP unlike AVplus or PP did not support voting for bon mainstream parties. Alas those who do not vote then really don't deserve a political opinion because they had an opportunity to have their vote matter in an election. as george carling once said those who dont vote have a right to moan about politicians, those who vote dont have that right because there the ones who put these people in power Too true" George Carling was legendary. But that was illogical. Surely those who voted for the winning party might not have the right because they're the ones who helped put them in power. Those who voted for any other party definitely have the right. Those who don't vote at all should stay silent. | |||
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"For me I always vote in GE because I like the feeling of empowerment it brings. I don't vote in the Fabs best bum competition because I run that. But I think I can understand peoples opinions on not voting especially if they or the other in a FPP constituency and FPP unlike AVplus or PP did not support voting for bon mainstream parties. Alas those who do not vote then really don't deserve a political opinion because they had an opportunity to have their vote matter in an election. as george carling once said those who dont vote have a right to moan about politicians, those who vote dont have that right because there the ones who put these people in power Too true George Carling was legendary. But that was illogical. Surely those who voted for the winning party might not have the right because they're the ones who helped put them in power. Those who voted for any other party definitely have the right. Those who don't vote at all should stay silent. " erm no i dont think i will stay silent | |||
"For me I always vote in GE because I like the feeling of empowerment it brings. I don't vote in the Fabs best bum competition because I run that. But I think I can understand peoples opinions on not voting especially if they or the other in a FPP constituency and FPP unlike AVplus or PP did not support voting for bon mainstream parties. Alas those who do not vote then really don't deserve a political opinion because they had an opportunity to have their vote matter in an election. as george carling once said those who dont vote have a right to moan about politicians, those who vote dont have that right because there the ones who put these people in power Too true George Carling was legendary. But that was illogical. Surely those who voted for the winning party might not have the right because they're the ones who helped put them in power. Those who voted for any other party definitely have the right. Those who don't vote at all should stay silent. erm no i dont think i will stay silent" You should vote! The only way you can be heard is by casting a vote. A vote isn't just a piece of paper: it’s a person’s way of weighing in on who should be running the country, so not voting is the same as throwing away your say in the matter. But more than that, many campaigners within movements, such as the women’s suffrage movement or those who took part in Peterloo, even gave their lives to win the right to vote. It is disrespectful to them to waste your vote. The UK has seen a number of campaigns to spread voting rights over its history, including groups campaigning for the right to vote for women and working class men. Staying at home just makes you another statistic, it is presumed you are just uninterested. By going to the polling station and not selecting any candidate before submitting to the ballot box, you become a voice for the disengaged. Blank Votes and Spoiled Ballots are read out at the count, along with the results and are included in subsequent reports. Your apathy towards the political parties will be heard and not just forgotten. At least get to the polling station and spoil it, if nothing else. No vote, no voice is how I see it. Generally, if I hear it, I give it no weight. | |||
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"I won't be voting, just couldn't be arsed. Am I wasting my vote? No, I don't believe I am. I have the right to vote, not the obligation to vote. There isn't one political party whose policies will make any difference to my life whatsoever, in even the tiniest way. They all give with one hand, then take with both - what they give and what they take just varies slightly between them, and they never keep their promises anyway. Waste of bloody time." I agree that not voting is a valid choice. Personally I don't think the current system of parliamentary democracy is fit for the purpose of running the country. It exists to keep those at the top, at the top, and the rest of us fighting amongst ourselves, blaming scapegoats, etc. Although I do choose to vote. What I'm curious about, what kind of politics within a political party would attract your vote? | |||
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"For me I always vote in GE because I like the feeling of empowerment it brings. I don't vote in the Fabs best bum competition because I run that. But I think I can understand peoples opinions on not voting especially if they or the other in a FPP constituency and FPP unlike AVplus or PP did not support voting for bon mainstream parties. Alas those who do not vote then really don't deserve a political opinion because they had an opportunity to have their vote matter in an election. as george carling once said those who dont vote have a right to moan about politicians, those who vote dont have that right because there the ones who put these people in power Too true George Carling was legendary. But that was illogical. Surely those who voted for the winning party might not have the right because they're the ones who helped put them in power. Those who voted for any other party definitely have the right. Those who don't vote at all should stay silent. erm no i dont think i will stay silent You should vote! The only way you can be heard is by casting a vote. A vote isn't just a piece of paper: it’s a person’s way of weighing in on who should be running the country, so not voting is the same as throwing away your say in the matter. But more than that, many campaigners within movements, such as the women’s suffrage movement or those who took part in Peterloo, even gave their lives to win the right to vote. It is disrespectful to them to waste your vote. The UK has seen a number of campaigns to spread voting rights over its history, including groups campaigning for the right to vote for women and working class men. Staying at home just makes you another statistic, it is presumed you are just uninterested. By going to the polling station and not selecting any candidate before submitting to the ballot box, you become a voice for the disengaged. Blank Votes and Spoiled Ballots are read out at the count, along with the results and are included in subsequent reports. Your apathy towards the political parties will be heard and not just forgotten. At least get to the polling station and spoil it, if nothing else. No vote, no voice is how I see it. Generally, if I hear it, I give it no weight. " like you said the right to vote i also have the right not to vote, when a party comes along that i think will make MY life better then i will register to vote, until that time im happy being unregisterd, but me not voting dosent meen i cant criticise the pigs oops i meen politicians | |||
"I won't be voting, just couldn't be arsed. Am I wasting my vote? No, I don't believe I am. I have the right to vote, not the obligation to vote. There isn't one political party whose policies will make any difference to my life whatsoever, in even the tiniest way. They all give with one hand, then take with both - what they give and what they take just varies slightly between them, and they never keep their promises anyway. Waste of bloody time. I agree that not voting is a valid choice. Personally I don't think the current system of parliamentary democracy is fit for the purpose of running the country. It exists to keep those at the top, at the top, and the rest of us fighting amongst ourselves, blaming scapegoats, etc. Although I do choose to vote. What I'm curious about, what kind of politics within a political party would attract your vote?" In answer to your question, absolutely none at all. I'm not wishing to be flippant, but it would be like a butcher asking a vegan what meat could attract them to becoming a carnivore. It's something that I have no interest in whatsoever. Which ever party gets in next time will get there because more people voted for them than the other lot, and hopefully those people will be happy. Or not. Again, it makes no difference to me. | |||
"I won't be voting, just couldn't be arsed. Am I wasting my vote? No, I don't believe I am. I have the right to vote, not the obligation to vote. There isn't one political party whose policies will make any difference to my life whatsoever, in even the tiniest way. They all give with one hand, then take with both - what they give and what they take just varies slightly between them, and they never keep their promises anyway. Waste of bloody time. I agree that not voting is a valid choice. Personally I don't think the current system of parliamentary democracy is fit for the purpose of running the country. It exists to keep those at the top, at the top, and the rest of us fighting amongst ourselves, blaming scapegoats, etc. Although I do choose to vote. What I'm curious about, what kind of politics within a political party would attract your vote? In answer to your question, absolutely none at all. I'm not wishing to be flippant, but it would be like a butcher asking a vegan what meat could attract them to becoming a carnivore. It's something that I have no interest in whatsoever. Which ever party gets in next time will get there because more people voted for them than the other lot, and hopefully those people will be happy. Or not. Again, it makes no difference to me. " Good for you. But those of us who are attracted to someone of the same sex and act on it will for instance be grateful for Labour's 1967 Act decriminalising homosexuality and Labour's further legislation between 97 and 2010 setting everything on an equal footing. It's one of only a few things I'd give them credit for, so make a note! Of course, though, people have the right not to vote and the right to criticise thereafter. I just don't listen much to such people. | |||
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"I just voted for Susan Hall with a finger down my throat however I had to because I believe another 4 years with Sadiq Khan is a worse case scenario" Did you change your mind at the last minute from the Reform chap? | |||
"I just voted for Susan Hall with a finger down my throat however I had to because I believe another 4 years with Sadiq Khan is a worse case scenario Did you change your mind at the last minute from the Reform chap?" Kinda, I actually did prefer to vote for Howard Cox as his speaking my language in terms the policies he had but his polling wasnt great so reluctantly went for Susan Hall who may have a better chance of beating Khan | |||
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"I won't be voting, just couldn't be arsed. Am I wasting my vote? No, I don't believe I am. I have the right to vote, not the obligation to vote. There isn't one political party whose policies will make any difference to my life whatsoever, in even the tiniest way. They all give with one hand, then take with both - what they give and what they take just varies slightly between them, and they never keep their promises anyway. Waste of bloody time. I agree that not voting is a valid choice. Personally I don't think the current system of parliamentary democracy is fit for the purpose of running the country. It exists to keep those at the top, at the top, and the rest of us fighting amongst ourselves, blaming scapegoats, etc. Although I do choose to vote. What I'm curious about, what kind of politics within a political party would attract your vote? In answer to your question, absolutely none at all. I'm not wishing to be flippant, but it would be like a butcher asking a vegan what meat could attract them to becoming a carnivore. It's something that I have no interest in whatsoever. Which ever party gets in next time will get there because more people voted for them than the other lot, and hopefully those people will be happy. Or not. Again, it makes no difference to me. Good for you. But those of us who are attracted to someone of the same sex and act on it will for instance be grateful for Labour's 1967 Act decriminalising homosexuality and Labour's further legislation between 97 and 2010 setting everything on an equal footing. It's one of only a few things I'd give them credit for, so make a note! Of course, though, people have the right not to vote and the right to criticise thereafter. I just don't listen much to such people. " Can’t believe it too until 2010 in the uk to get sexual orientation equality fully implemented. We should remember this when criticising other countries policies and remember how far they have come so quickly, and how a so called democracy such as the UK took almost 50 years to fully implement equality in law for gay people from first passing the laws in 1967. Politicians voting against these laws who are still in parliament today paid by us, it’s a disgrace. | |||
"I won't be voting, just couldn't be arsed. Am I wasting my vote? No, I don't believe I am. I have the right to vote, not the obligation to vote. There isn't one political party whose policies will make any difference to my life whatsoever, in even the tiniest way. They all give with one hand, then take with both - what they give and what they take just varies slightly between them, and they never keep their promises anyway. Waste of bloody time. I agree that not voting is a valid choice. Personally I don't think the current system of parliamentary democracy is fit for the purpose of running the country. It exists to keep those at the top, at the top, and the rest of us fighting amongst ourselves, blaming scapegoats, etc. Although I do choose to vote. What I'm curious about, what kind of politics within a political party would attract your vote? In answer to your question, absolutely none at all. I'm not wishing to be flippant, but it would be like a butcher asking a vegan what meat could attract them to becoming a carnivore. It's something that I have no interest in whatsoever. Which ever party gets in next time will get there because more people voted for them than the other lot, and hopefully those people will be happy. Or not. Again, it makes no difference to me. Good for you. But those of us who are attracted to someone of the same sex and act on it will for instance be grateful for Labour's 1967 Act decriminalising homosexuality and Labour's further legislation between 97 and 2010 setting everything on an equal footing. It's one of only a few things I'd give them credit for, so make a note! Of course, though, people have the right not to vote and the right to criticise thereafter. I just don't listen much to such people. Can’t believe it too until 2010 in the uk to get sexual orientation equality fully implemented. We should remember this when criticising other countries policies and remember how far they have come so quickly, and how a so called democracy such as the UK took almost 50 years to fully implement equality in law for gay people from first passing the laws in 1967. Politicians voting against these laws who are still in parliament today paid by us, it’s a disgrace. " Couldn't agree more. Astonishing we entered the 1980s with homosexuality still a criminal offence in Scotland and Northern Ireland. In fact,the Homosexual Offences (Northern Ireland) Order 1982 was debated on 25/10/82. That was the week Culture Club hit number one and were asking 'Do you really want to hurt me?' Many politicians there were obviously happy answering 'yes' An utter disgrace | |||
"I won't be voting, just couldn't be arsed. Am I wasting my vote? No, I don't believe I am. I have the right to vote, not the obligation to vote. There isn't one political party whose policies will make any difference to my life whatsoever, in even the tiniest way. They all give with one hand, then take with both - what they give and what they take just varies slightly between them, and they never keep their promises anyway. Waste of bloody time. I agree that not voting is a valid choice. Personally I don't think the current system of parliamentary democracy is fit for the purpose of running the country. It exists to keep those at the top, at the top, and the rest of us fighting amongst ourselves, blaming scapegoats, etc. Although I do choose to vote. What I'm curious about, what kind of politics within a political party would attract your vote? In answer to your question, absolutely none at all. I'm not wishing to be flippant, but it would be like a butcher asking a vegan what meat could attract them to becoming a carnivore. It's something that I have no interest in whatsoever. Which ever party gets in next time will get there because more people voted for them than the other lot, and hopefully those people will be happy. Or not. Again, it makes no difference to me. Good for you. But those of us who are attracted to someone of the same sex and act on it will for instance be grateful for Labour's 1967 Act decriminalising homosexuality and Labour's further legislation between 97 and 2010 setting everything on an equal footing. It's one of only a few things I'd give them credit for, so make a note! Of course, though, people have the right not to vote and the right to criticise thereafter. I just don't listen much to such people. Can’t believe it too until 2010 in the uk to get sexual orientation equality fully implemented. We should remember this when criticising other countries policies and remember how far they have come so quickly, and how a so called democracy such as the UK took almost 50 years to fully implement equality in law for gay people from first passing the laws in 1967. Politicians voting against these laws who are still in parliament today paid by us, it’s a disgrace. Couldn't agree more. Astonishing we entered the 1980s with homosexuality still a criminal offence in Scotland and Northern Ireland. In fact,the Homosexual Offences (Northern Ireland) Order 1982 was debated on 25/10/82. That was the week Culture Club hit number one and were asking 'Do you really want to hurt me?' Many politicians there were obviously happy answering 'yes' An utter disgrace " Paragraph 175 of the gernan criminal code of the German empire, 1871 which crimnilised homosexuality. This was only over turned march 1994. Although for most of its history the paragraph was completely ignored especially the 1920s and late and 90s. | |||
"I just voted for Susan Hall with a finger down my throat however I had to because I believe another 4 years with Sadiq Khan is a worse case scenario Did you change your mind at the last minute from the Reform chap? Kinda, I actually did prefer to vote for Howard Cox as his speaking my language in terms the policies he had but his polling wasnt great so reluctantly went for Susan Hall who may have a better chance of beating Khan" Fair enough. What reform policies do you like? | |||
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"I just voted for Susan Hall with a finger down my throat however I had to because I believe another 4 years with Sadiq Khan is a worse case scenario Did you change your mind at the last minute from the Reform chap? Kinda, I actually did prefer to vote for Howard Cox as his speaking my language in terms the policies he had but his polling wasnt great so reluctantly went for Susan Hall who may have a better chance of beating Khan Fair enough. What reform policies do you like?" The policies I liked from Howard Cox was removing LTNs, ULEZ, Congestion Charge, 20mph roads except around schools, places of worship and hospitals, removing wider cycle lanes and floating bus stops and introducing clean fuel technology to help meet zero emissions | |||
"I just voted for Susan Hall with a finger down my throat however I had to because I believe another 4 years with Sadiq Khan is a worse case scenario Did you change your mind at the last minute from the Reform chap? Kinda, I actually did prefer to vote for Howard Cox as his speaking my language in terms the policies he had but his polling wasnt great so reluctantly went for Susan Hall who may have a better chance of beating Khan Fair enough. What reform policies do you like? The policies I liked from Howard Cox was removing LTNs, ULEZ, Congestion Charge, 20mph roads except around schools, places of worship and hospitals, removing wider cycle lanes and floating bus stops and introducing clean fuel technology to help meet zero emissions" Fair enough. I tried to read their "clean fuel technology" but it was very vague. And they were all about scrapping anything to do with reducing emissions. | |||
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"First time in years I did not vote. No candidate or party interest me. All as bad as each other." Greens are as bad as Reform? | |||
