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By *andM4Fun OP   Couple 15 weeks ago

Cambridgeshire

We Love Trump MAGA

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By *ostInTheSupermarketMan 15 weeks ago

Central


"We Love Trump MAGA "

With a conclusion such as that I’m guessing you are trying to avoid imminent tariffs or annexation, so the best strategy is to dive head first into that huge orange ass of his?

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By *panking masterMan 15 weeks ago

Washington


"We Love Trump MAGA "
he is like a school bully,,, picks on the little guys and is scared to take on the big guys with more balls than him so he kisses up to them,, e.g. russia and israel and china

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By *crumdiddlyumptiousMan 15 weeks ago

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Don't love him or hate him but giving them options I'd say the former

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By *erces LetiferMan 15 weeks ago

Somewhere off the edge of the map... 'ere there be monsters

Neither.

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By *ools and the brainCouple 15 weeks ago

couple, us we him her.

I'm perplexed at how he's managed to get to the level of power that he has.

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By (user no longer on site) 15 weeks ago

Probably not as bad as the TDS lot think or as good as the MAGA disciples believe. If we get through 4 years with no apocalypse that's a good result.

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By *ellhungvweMan 15 weeks ago

Cheltenham


"I'm perplexed at how he's managed to get to the level of power that he has.

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I agree. It is a damning indictment of the political system if he is the best there is. It is also damning indictment of the political system if he isn’t the best there is.

Hint: he isn’t the best there is.

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By *ostindreamsMan 15 weeks ago

London

My rating is 4/10

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By *mberValleyManMan 15 weeks ago

Derby/Notts


"I'm perplexed at how he's managed to get to the level of power that he has.

I agree. It is a damning indictment of the political system if he is the best there is. It is also damning indictment of the political system if he isn’t the best there is.

I never understand how the average working person thinks that a business man, with multiple bankruptcies to his name, an appalling attitude to women and a complete disregard to the stability of the world, is going to make their world better?

Hint: he isn’t the best there is."

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By *ophieslutTV/TS 15 weeks ago
Forum Mod

Central

Don't know him personally but seems atrocious for the world,in many ways

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By *MFC PartiesWoman 15 weeks ago

Here, There & Everywhere

I can honestly say that I don't feel he deserves the amount of energy from me, that would amass to hatred, but I really do dislike the man!

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple 15 weeks ago

Border of London

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple 15 weeks ago

Border of London


"We Love Trump MAGA "

Wrong question. It's like saying "syphilis, love it or hate it", or "tsunamis, love them or hate them".

Trump is more like a phenomenon - he exists, you have to just... Deal with him. Some people made great money out of COVID, some people got to get off on wearing masks and telling others to wear masks, some people lost close relatives. It's more a matter of how you deal with the phenomenon than whether or not one likes it.

We don't know him, he seems to be a nasty chap to anyone he does business with, marries or shares oxygen with. Perhaps that's just media, we have no idea. Just because he's a despotic bully doesn't mean that everything he does is bad, and some long-term good will come from things that appear bad in the short term - perhaps the US will rethink how they run elections, perhaps brittle and vulnerable institutions will be strengthened. Even now, Europe is waking up to the fact that it needs to be more self-sufficient - that's a good outcome from a nasty set of circumstances. It's not tough love, since there is no love, but perhaps tough by itself is enough to drive positive change.

The USA is likely to lose out in the long run, as it becomes slowly sidelined if what Trump has started continues.

So neither love nor hate. Definitely a general feeling of antipathy, though.

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By *abioMan 15 weeks ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"I'm perplexed at how he's managed to get to the level of power that he has.

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Blame SCOTUS and the dereliction of responsibility by the house of representatives for that

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By *arahmantonTV/TS 15 weeks ago

Leicester

Everything I've seen and heard of him tells me he's a grade A cunt.

I meet plenty of Americans...mostly they're just embarrassed that he's their prez.

I only know one person who's actually met him...on several occasions.

She says he the most vile human being she's ever encountered.

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By *arry and MegsCouple 15 weeks ago

Ipswich

The tangerine turkey is an embarrassment to the US

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple 15 weeks ago

Border of London


"I'm perplexed at how he's managed to get to the level of power that he has.

Blame SCOTUS and the dereliction of responsibility by the house of representatives for that "

The GOP was revealed to be too emasculated to stand up to a bully.

The democrats failed over and over and over to field someone electable - their only saving grace was "not Trump" and even then couldn't cope with the anger of the electorate. The two main parties over there failed miserably. A viable third party on the centre (hugely unlikely) would be amazing.

TL;DR: GOP cowardice and Democrat incompetence.

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By (user no longer on site) 15 weeks ago


"I'm perplexed at how he's managed to get to the level of power that he has.

Blame SCOTUS and the dereliction of responsibility by the house of representatives for that

The GOP was revealed to be too emasculated to stand up to a bully.

The democrats failed over and over and over to field someone electable - their only saving grace was "not Trump" and even then couldn't cope with the anger of the electorate. The two main parties over there failed miserably. A viable third party on the centre (hugely unlikely) would be amazing.

TL;DR: GOP cowardice and Democrat incompetence."

Exactly. The Dems twice put up very unpopular candidates against Trump (one of them, KH, also of low competence) when an Obama or a Clinton would have destroyed him. Also the political and media refusal to acknowledge Biden's obvious and serious cognitive decline was a disaster for them.

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By *estivalMan 15 weeks ago

borehamwood

Dont love him or hate him do find him highly entertaining though but then that might be because i dont take anything he says all that seriously

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By (user no longer on site) 15 weeks ago

Trump - zero stars, would not recommend.

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By *og and MuseCouple 15 weeks ago

Dubai & Nottingham

I think he's doing exactly what those who voted for him expected unlike our politicians so on that score not bad. His mix of political, financial and military strategies seems to be very effective . He's strong on crime and protecting territorial integrity of the country. I dint like him but he seems to be working well for those who voted for him

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By *e-OptimistMan 15 weeks ago

Stalybridge

Have a look at his latest deranged message to Norway. Whether you like him or not he deserves to be certified.

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By *avagliamMan 15 weeks ago

London

His tomb will very likely become a public toilet.

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By *ools and the brainCouple 15 weeks ago

couple, us we him her.


"I'm perplexed at how he's managed to get to the level of power that he has.

Blame SCOTUS and the dereliction of responsibility by the house of representatives for that "

And Home Alone 2

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By *ickeyandmouseCouple 15 weeks ago

nr Alicante

He needs taking out

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By (user no longer on site) 15 weeks ago


"He needs taking out"

Christ this thread is nuttier than Trump 🤣🤣

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By *iltsTSgirlTV/TS 15 weeks ago

Chichester


"He needs taking out"

He is half dead already of old age tbh. It’s 50/50 he will see out his turn for 4 years intotal

Just remember starmer will outlast him

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By *ornucopiaMan 15 weeks ago

Bexley


"He needs taking out"

To an American diner?

..and having the error of his ways explained to him?

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By *winga2Man 15 weeks ago

Stranraer


"He needs taking out"

Old Soviet joke: a man goes to a newsstand every day and looks at just the front pages of all the newspapers. The guy behind the stand asks him what he's looking for. "An obituary". "But comrade, obituaries aren't on the front page!" "The one I'm looking for will be."

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By *hief ScoutMan 15 weeks ago

Middx/Herts borders-ish or thereabouts !

The problem is the two most powerful men on the planet are BOTH total fucking nutters.

It's a case of which one you distrust the least, him or the Russian buffoon.

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By *porty_and_NaughtyCouple 15 weeks ago

Swansea

He's a self confessed sexual predator. Even if nothing else that's reported about him is true, there is no denying that. Anyone who thinks such a person is anything other than scum needs their head (and quite probably hard drive) looking at.

Beyond that, unless it's an act, he is incompetent, unstable, childish, unbelievably thick and a nasty bullying thug.

Incompetent - the number of times he had been taken to court for his business dealings, the bankruptcies and losses, the law suits and convictions all prove this. No successful person goes through live with such a trail.

Unstable - throwing a tantrum about Greenland then trying to hide it behind the facade of security concerns shows this.

Childish - the wording of his recent letter "you didn't give me the Nobel prize so now I'm going to sulk, anyway, who says it's your game? I want to play and if you don't let me .... Blah blah blah - oh, and the fact he said there was'no piece of paper' despite the existence of a US signed treaty is another sign of either good incompetence or being unbelievably thick.

Unbelievably thick - take your pick. His rambling story about sharks, his complete lack of understanding of what habeus corpus means, every time he opens his mouth virtually there's something he says that a 12 year old would know better.

Nasty bullying thug? Just listen to the way he talks to reporters "quiet piggy" FFS. I don't hate him, I do believe he should be locked up. What I hate is the amount of people whoo exist that are so fucking dumb and without any justifiable moral compass who are prepared to not just defend but practically worship such an obvious lump of shit.

To the person above who believes he's giving his voters what they wanted, maybe check his election promises. Sure he's deporting lots of people but he isn't doing what he promised and going after the criminals, any he rounds up are by luck more than judgement. Lots of people voted for criminals to be deported, not so many for their cheap labour to go. He promised not to meddle in other countries and focus on making America great (he's made America a place less and less people want to go to, trade with, trust, or invest in). He promised to end the war in Ukraine in a day . He really hasn't given people what they voted for, his dumb fuck disciples just believe that everything he does is what they have always wanted.

P

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By *porty_and_NaughtyCouple 15 weeks ago

Swansea


"The problem is the two most powerful men on the planet are BOTH total fucking nutters.

It's a case of which one you distrust the least, him or the Russian buffoon. "

The Russian one is many things, an equally unpleasant man but one thing he isn't is a buffoon.

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By *aven3Man 15 weeks ago

Stoford

Strange mix of astute moves,then seemingly stupid comments and utterances.An awful lot of what's happening in the US,is never reported by the TDS suffering UK media.Quite deliberately,of course.

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple 15 weeks ago

Border of London


"The problem is the two most powerful men on the planet are BOTH total fucking nutters."

Xi seems more cold and calculating. Certainly not a nutter.

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By *octor ProdMan 15 weeks ago

Constantly Travelling With Work

He is showing strong physical, mental and behavioural symptoms of Frontotemporal Dementia; that is a fact.

He may be in the pay of Russia

He is not a great business man; had he put his inherited fortune in a bank, he would have a great fortune than he has now. He has a long string of business failures and bankrupcies behind him. His one great deal was arranging a tax break for investing in New York in the late 70's

He will be propped up until next January, where his replacement can then take over and sit for two terms

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By *uriousCouple20224Couple 15 weeks ago

nottingham


"He is showing strong physical, mental and behavioural symptoms of Frontotemporal Dementia; that is a fact.

He may be in the pay of Russia

He is not a great business man; had he put his inherited fortune in a bank, he would have a great fortune than he has now. He has a long string of business failures and bankrupcies behind him. His one great deal was arranging a tax break for investing in New York in the late 70's

He will be propped up until next January, where his replacement can then take over and sit for two terms"

It's crazy how everyone was silent on Bidens cognitive ability then become suddenly experts when trumps in office...

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By (user no longer on site) 15 weeks ago


"He is showing strong physical, mental and behavioural symptoms of Frontotemporal Dementia; that is a fact.

He may be in the pay of Russia

He is not a great business man; had he put his inherited fortune in a bank, he would have a great fortune than he has now. He has a long string of business failures and bankrupcies behind him. His one great deal was arranging a tax break for investing in New York in the late 70's

He will be propped up until next January, where his replacement can then take over and sit for two terms

It's crazy how everyone was silent on Bidens cognitive ability then become suddenly experts when trumps in office..."

Sssssh, we don't mention that here 🤣

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By *estivalMan 15 weeks ago

borehamwood


"He needs taking out

He is half dead already of old age tbh. It’s 50/50 he will see out his turn for 4 years intotal

Just remember starmer will outlast him "

starmer will outlast hi lol i doubt starmer is going to make it to the end of this parliment

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By *estivalMan 15 weeks ago

borehamwood


"He is showing strong physical, mental and behavioural symptoms of Frontotemporal Dementia; that is a fact.

He may be in the pay of Russia

He is not a great business man; had he put his inherited fortune in a bank, he would have a great fortune than he has now. He has a long string of business failures and bankrupcies behind him. His one great deal was arranging a tax break for investing in New York in the late 70's

He will be propped up until next January, where his replacement can then take over and sit for two terms

It's crazy how everyone was silent on Bidens cognitive ability then become suddenly experts when trumps in office..."

shhhhh biden was as sharp as a tack didnt you know lol

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By *ools and the brainCouple 15 weeks ago

couple, us we him her.


"He is showing strong physical, mental and behavioural symptoms of Frontotemporal Dementia; that is a fact.

He may be in the pay of Russia

He is not a great business man; had he put his inherited fortune in a bank, he would have a great fortune than he has now. He has a long string of business failures and bankrupcies behind him. His one great deal was arranging a tax break for investing in New York in the late 70's

He will be propped up until next January, where his replacement can then take over and sit for two terms

It's crazy how everyone was silent on Bidens cognitive ability then become suddenly experts when trumps in office..."

Disagree, many people were commenting on Biden, on here, media and even Trump himself all ripping into Biden.

Which is a sad state of affairs that people think it's ok to take the piss out of someone who has a degenerative condition.

Going back to Trump, I can't see how a man of his age can keep going he seems to be a total workaholic and is going to burn himself out sooner rather than later.

I think a 30 year old would struggle to keep up with him.

The thought of President Vance sends a cold shiver down my spine.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple 15 weeks ago

in Lancashire


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It's crazy how everyone was silent on Bidens cognitive ability then become suddenly experts when trumps in office...

Disagree, many people were commenting on Biden, on here, media and even Trump himself all ripping into Biden.

"

Strongly agree, every faux pas, every stumble was in the press and covered by the channels..

No one on here was saying oh its OK, because he's a Democrat it was a bloody heck this bloke is the most powerful man on the planet in majy ways and hes struggling, it was clearly the signs that many of us have sadly lived through with loved ones..

Some of the language used against him was deplorable and sad but to be expected as it will be with his replacement if the same level of deterioration are witnessed..

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By *porty_and_NaughtyCouple 15 weeks ago

Swansea


"

It's crazy how everyone was silent on Bidens cognitive ability then become suddenly experts when trumps in office..."

What is crazy is your ability to completely misremember things that only happened a few years back. Biden's cognitive ability was widely discussed everywhere from social to national and international media. Google BBC Biden Dementia then BBC Trump dementia and see which of the two men was subject to the most scrutiny over their mental health.

Comments like this say an awful lot about your position - mostly that you bolster your beliefs with imagination rather than fact, that feelings of being under attack outweigh any incentive to understand reality.

P

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By (user no longer on site) 15 weeks ago


"

It's crazy how everyone was silent on Bidens cognitive ability then become suddenly experts when trumps in office...

What is crazy is your ability to completely misremember things that only happened a few years back. Biden's cognitive ability was widely discussed everywhere from social to national and international media. Google BBC Biden Dementia then BBC Trump dementia and see which of the two men was subject to the most scrutiny over their mental health.

Comments like this say an awful lot about your position - mostly that you bolster your beliefs with imagination rather than fact, that feelings of being under attack outweigh any incentive to understand reality.

P"

From the BBC, 2023, when his cognitive decline was blindingly obvious:

'US President Joe Biden remains healthy, vigorous and fit to successfully execute his duties, according to the White House physician.'

His official Dr lied and covered up about his health ! 🤣🤣🤣

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan 15 weeks ago

Gilfach


"He is showing strong physical, mental and behavioural symptoms of Frontotemporal Dementia; that is a fact."

I love the way people here post "facts" with absolutely no evidence.

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By *porty_and_NaughtyCouple 15 weeks ago

Swansea


"

It's crazy how everyone was silent on Bidens cognitive ability then become suddenly experts when trumps in office...

What is crazy is your ability to completely misremember things that only happened a few years back. Biden's cognitive ability was widely discussed everywhere from social to national and international media. Google BBC Biden Dementia then BBC Trump dementia and see which of the two men was subject to the most scrutiny over their mental health.

Comments like this say an awful lot about your position - mostly that you bolster your beliefs with imagination rather than fact, that feelings of being under attack outweigh any incentive to understand reality.

P

From the BBC, 2023, when his cognitive decline was blindingly obvious:

'US President Joe Biden remains healthy, vigorous and fit to successfully execute his duties, according to the White House physician.'

His official Dr lied and covered up about his health ! 🤣🤣🤣

"

Have you heard the term 'cherry picking'?

BBC headlines.

Who won the debate? Bidens's incoherent performance worsens age fears

Allies defend Biden as polls suggest growing age concern

Joe Biden hits out at poor memory chains

Will report questioning Biden's memory change voters minds

I could go on, there's pages of them. The claim I responded to that 'everyone was silent on Bidem's cognitive ability' is demonstrably complete and utter fabricated nonsense. I didn't say that no one defended him, I didn't say there was no push back against the claims. I stated that there absolutely was not a deafening silence around his mental health, it was widely discussed all around the world and in far more detail than had so far been seen surrounding DT. I accept this is changing as more evidence emerges of the orange twat falling asleep in public and saying clearly deranged things.

P

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By *ecadentDeviantsCouple 15 weeks ago

North West

Danish MEP Anders Vistisen to Trump:

“Let me put this in words you might understand: Mr. President, fuck off.”

2000% tariff on Lego and Carlsberg Special Brew incoming.

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By *otMe66Man 15 weeks ago

Terra Firma

I was neither for or against Trump, until this last 4 weeks which saw him and his administration sign off on a military intervention in a foreign country that removed the leader. That was shaky to say the least, but to then puff out the chest with intent towards Greenland was clearly an ego driven threat and riding the wave of that military intervention. When the tables were turned with a simple joint low key military exercise the tantrums started.

It was at this point, I knew he needed to go.

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By *ingdomNightTimePleasuresMan 15 weeks ago

nearby

The countries he’s applied 10% tariffs to already have a 15% tariff.

Add another 15% in June if Greenland isn’t surrendered.

40% for most EU car exports to USA

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By *ingdomNightTimePleasuresMan 15 weeks ago

nearby


"Danish MEP Anders Vistisen to Trump:

“Let me put this in words you might understand: Mr. President, fuck off.”

2000% tariff on Lego and Carlsberg Special Brew incoming.

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BMW, Mercedes and VW group must be filling their pants

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By *octor ProdMan 15 weeks ago

Constantly Travelling With Work


"He is showing strong physical, mental and behavioural symptoms of Frontotemporal Dementia; that is a fact.

He may be in the pay of Russia

He is not a great business man; had he put his inherited fortune in a bank, he would have a great fortune than he has now. He has a long string of business failures and bankrupcies behind him. His one great deal was arranging a tax break for investing in New York in the late 70's

He will be propped up until next January, where his replacement can then take over and sit for two terms

It's crazy how everyone was silent on Bidens cognitive ability then become suddenly experts when trumps in office..."

Biden did have age related cognitive degeneration. Trump is displaying symptoms of Frontotemporal Dementia

But hey facts n shit. I know you lot hate facts

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By *iman2100Man 15 weeks ago

Glasgow

Trump is not a nice character but what is far worse is a majority of Americans voted for him and the spineless Republicans in Congress refuse to curtail his authoritarian excesses.

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By *arakiss12TV/TS 15 weeks ago

Bedfuck

Don't love him, Don't hate him. But he's the only thing they have.

Plus he's getting fat lazy Americans off their overweight behinds and working.

No offence to the rest of the world's fat lazy people intended.

Not enough is being done in support of the native Indians.

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By *ortyairCouple 15 weeks ago

Wallasey


"Don't love him, Don't hate him. But he's the only thing they have.

Plus he's getting fat lazy Americans off their overweight behinds and working.

No offence to the rest of the world's fat lazy people intended.

Not enough is being done in support of the native Indians.

"

Unless the native Indians are... "fat and lazy" and then he's gotten them into jobs, apparently 🤣🤣🤣 Mrs x

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple 15 weeks ago

Border of London


"

It's crazy how everyone was silent on Bidens cognitive ability then become suddenly experts when trumps in office...

What is crazy is your ability to completely misremember things that only happened a few years back. Biden's cognitive ability was widely discussed everywhere from social to national and international media. Google BBC Biden Dementia then BBC Trump dementia and see which of the two men was subject to the most scrutiny over their mental health.

Comments like this say an awful lot about your position - mostly that you bolster your beliefs with imagination rather than fact, that feelings of being under attack outweigh any incentive to understand reality.

P

From the BBC, 2023, when his cognitive decline was blindingly obvious:

'US President Joe Biden remains healthy, vigorous and fit to successfully execute his duties, according to the White House physician.'

His official Dr lied and covered up about his health ! 🤣🤣🤣

Have you heard the term 'cherry picking'?

BBC headlines.

Who won the debate? Bidens's incoherent performance worsens age fears

Allies defend Biden as polls suggest growing age concern

Joe Biden hits out at poor memory chains

Will report questioning Biden's memory change voters minds

I could go on, there's pages of them. The claim I responded to that 'everyone was silent on Bidem's cognitive ability' is demonstrably complete and utter fabricated nonsense. I didn't say that no one defended him, I didn't say there was no push back against the claims. I stated that there absolutely was not a deafening silence around his mental health, it was widely discussed all around the world and in far more detail than had so far been seen surrounding DT. I accept this is changing as more evidence emerges of the orange twat falling asleep in public and saying clearly deranged things.

P"

On this subject, Trump is now under the microscope for slurring his words... Reported by none other than the Express!

https://www.express.co.uk/news/us/2160498/trump-s-health-fears-explode-he-slurs-words-key-error-during-white-house-ice-briefing

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan 15 weeks ago

Gilfach


"Biden did have age related cognitive degeneration. Trump is displaying symptoms of Frontotemporal Dementia

But hey facts n shit. I know you lot hate facts"

I love facts. Why don't you tell us what symptoms of Frontotemporal Dementia Trump is displaying, and how they differ from the age related cognitive degeneration that Biden was displaying?

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By *octor ProdMan 15 weeks ago

Constantly Travelling With Work


"Biden did have age related cognitive degeneration. Trump is displaying symptoms of Frontotemporal Dementia

But hey facts n shit. I know you lot hate facts

I love facts. Why don't you tell us what symptoms of Frontotemporal Dementia Trump is displaying, and how they differ from the age related cognitive degeneration that Biden was displaying?"

Trump is showing all of these symptoms.

Tactlessness, impulsive comments, increased aggression, or loss of inhibition.

Compulsive Behaviors

Poor Judgment & Planning

Difficulty understanding consequences.

Reduced Empathy

Difficulty Speaking: Slow speech, trouble forming words

Word Finding Difficulties: Forgetting common words, using wrong words, or struggling to describe things.

Grammar Issues: Using simple sentences, leaving out words, or putting words in the wrong order Understanding Problems: Difficulty grasping the meaning of complex sentences, despite knowing individual words. 

Movement Issues: Slow movement, stiffness, balance problems, falls, or muscle weakness.

Bladder/Bowel Control Loss

Biden showed some onset age related issues.

Facts n shit.

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple 15 weeks ago

Border of London


"

Bladder/Bowel Control Loss

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Sorry to correct your; not being able to control the shit that comes out of his mouth isn't, technically, bowel control loss.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple 15 weeks ago

in Lancashire


"Biden did have age related cognitive degeneration. Trump is displaying symptoms of Frontotemporal Dementia

But hey facts n shit. I know you lot hate facts

I love facts. Why don't you tell us what symptoms of Frontotemporal Dementia Trump is displaying, and how they differ from the age related cognitive degeneration that Biden was displaying?

Trump is showing all of these symptoms.

Tactlessness, impulsive comments, increased aggression, or loss of inhibition.

Compulsive Behaviors

Poor Judgment & Planning

Difficulty understanding consequences.

Reduced Empathy

Difficulty Speaking: Slow speech, trouble forming words

Word Finding Difficulties: Forgetting common words, using wrong words, or struggling to describe things.

Grammar Issues: Using simple sentences, leaving out words, or putting words in the wrong order Understanding Problems: Difficulty grasping the meaning of complex sentences, despite knowing individual words. 

Movement Issues: Slow movement, stiffness, balance problems, falls, or muscle weakness.

Bladder/Bowel Control Loss

Biden showed some onset age related issues.

Facts n shit.

"

Not saying he doesn't exhibit some of those, not sure how you can add in his bowel/bladder etc but many of them he's probably had most of his life..

They're character traits albeit not very nice ones..

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By (user no longer on site) 15 weeks ago

Trump talking about Chagos thinks we've sold them - I guess no-one could actually believe we've paid billions to give them away! 🤣

Maybe it's Sir Keir who needs the health check ?

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By *ostindreamsMan 15 weeks ago

London


"

Bladder/Bowel Control Loss

Sorry to correct your; not being able to control the shit that comes out of his mouth isn't, technically, bowel control loss."

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple 15 weeks ago

in Lancashire


"

Bladder/Bowel Control Loss

Sorry to correct your; not being able to control the shit that comes out of his mouth isn't, technically, bowel control loss."

It could be applied to many lol..

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By *ostindreamsMan 15 weeks ago

London

Considering the way he has been behaving recently, the only reasonable explanation for why the Republicans aren't willing to replace him is that Vance doesn't want to have this counted as a term. So maybe they are waiting for another year?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple 15 weeks ago

in Lancashire


"Considering the way he has been behaving recently, the only reasonable explanation for why the Republicans aren't willing to replace him is that Vance doesn't want to have this counted as a term. So maybe they are waiting for another year?"

I think it would be a very brave and foolish person/ people career wise to be the one's to have that conversation with him..

Being a fly on the wall would be fun..

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By *ctionSandwichCouple 15 weeks ago

Newcastle under Lyme

If he invaded the UK then we'd love him. US citizenship, right to live anywhere in any US state? Sign us up! Alaska here we come.

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By *e-OptimistMan 15 weeks ago

Stalybridge

You can always apply for US citizenship and leave the rest of us in good old blighty.

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By *winga2Man 15 weeks ago

Stranraer


"Danish MEP Anders Vistisen to Trump:

“Let me put this in words you might understand: Mr. President, fuck off.”

2000% tariff on Lego and Carlsberg Special Brew incoming.

BMW, Mercedes and VW group must be filling their pants "

The crazy yanks will still want their luxury status symbols, I can't see them switching to Chevrolet

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By *winga2Man 15 weeks ago

Stranraer


"Trump talking about Chagos thinks we've sold them - I guess no-one could actually believe we've paid billions to give them away! 🤣

Maybe it's Sir Keir who needs the health check ?"

Are you aware how many more billions it would have cost to keep them ?

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By *imba NinjaMan 15 weeks ago

Aberdeen

The crazy orange fucker is freewheeling about windmills etc at Davis just now

What a shambles of a man

What a disgrace as a role model and leader

Demented to the core

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By *ornucopiaMan 15 weeks ago

Bexley


"

...

BMW, Mercedes and VW group must be filling their pants

The crazy yanks will still want their luxury status symbols, I can't see them switching to Chevrolet "

No need. Plenty of excellent Japanese cars available...

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By *ostindreamsMan 15 weeks ago

London


"Considering the way he has been behaving recently, the only reasonable explanation for why the Republicans aren't willing to replace him is that Vance doesn't want to have this counted as a term. So maybe they are waiting for another year?

I think it would be a very brave and foolish person/ people career wise to be the one's to have that conversation with him..

Being a fly on the wall would be fun.."

Politicians are power hungry at the end of the day, irrespective of whether they are left or right. If Trump's popularity takes a beating, the rest of the Republicans will definitely want to start the conversation about toppling him. They would at least want some damage control before the next elections. And there lies the opportunity for Vance.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple 15 weeks ago

in Lancashire


"Considering the way he has been behaving recently, the only reasonable explanation for why the Republicans aren't willing to replace him is that Vance doesn't want to have this counted as a term. So maybe they are waiting for another year?

I think it would be a very brave and foolish person/ people career wise to be the one's to have that conversation with him..

Being a fly on the wall would be fun..

Politicians are power hungry at the end of the day, irrespective of whether they are left or right. If Trump's popularity takes a beating, the rest of the Republicans will definitely want to start the conversation about toppling him. They would at least want some damage control before the next elections. And there lies the opportunity for Vance."

They won't like the tories and others have done let the leader pull them down with them yes..

Vance..hmm, probably inevitable

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple 15 weeks ago

in Lancashire


"The crazy orange fucker is freewheeling about windmills etc at Davis just now

What a shambles of a man

What a disgrace as a role model and leader

Demented to the core "

His comments about the USA and Denmark in ww2 are inaccurate but stretching it factual factual course the states entry into the war played a huge part..

His post 911 remarks are fucking offensive given the assistance and the lives lost from all the other countries in Afghanistan..

Then again he is the 'man' who had bone spurs who once slagged off John McCain who spent time as a pow in Vietnam..

Repulsive to say what he did today..

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By *arry and MegsCouple 15 weeks ago

Ipswich


"Considering the way he has been behaving recently, the only reasonable explanation for why the Republicans aren't willing to replace him is that Vance doesn't want to have this counted as a term. So maybe they are waiting for another year?

I think it would be a very brave and foolish person/ people career wise to be the one's to have that conversation with him..

Being a fly on the wall would be fun..

Politicians are power hungry at the end of the day, irrespective of whether they are left or right. If Trump's popularity takes a beating, the rest of the Republicans will definitely want to start the conversation about toppling him. They would at least want some damage control before the next elections. And there lies the opportunity for Vance."

And possibly damage limitation before the mid terms

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By *I TwoCouple 15 weeks ago

near enough


"

...

BMW, Mercedes and VW group must be filling their pants

The crazy yanks will still want their luxury status symbols, I can't see them switching to Chevrolet

No need. Plenty of excellent Japanese cars available..."

Working class yanks drive toyota

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By *ostindreamsMan 15 weeks ago

London


"Considering the way he has been behaving recently, the only reasonable explanation for why the Republicans aren't willing to replace him is that Vance doesn't want to have this counted as a term. So maybe they are waiting for another year?

I think it would be a very brave and foolish person/ people career wise to be the one's to have that conversation with him..

Being a fly on the wall would be fun..

Politicians are power hungry at the end of the day, irrespective of whether they are left or right. If Trump's popularity takes a beating, the rest of the Republicans will definitely want to start the conversation about toppling him. They would at least want some damage control before the next elections. And there lies the opportunity for Vance.

And possibly damage limitation before the mid terms"

Not sure about that. Whoever wants to do the coup will want to wait for the end of 2 years of the term for it to not count to the maximum of 2 terms as the President.

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By *uriousCouple20224Couple 15 weeks ago

nottingham


"

It's crazy how everyone was silent on Bidens cognitive ability then become suddenly experts when trumps in office...

What is crazy is your ability to completely misremember things that only happened a few years back. Biden's cognitive ability was widely discussed everywhere from social to national and international media. Google BBC Biden Dementia then BBC Trump dementia and see which of the two men was subject to the most scrutiny over their mental health.

Comments like this say an awful lot about your position - mostly that you bolster your beliefs with imagination rather than fact, that feelings of being under attack outweigh any incentive to understand reality.

P"

No not at all.. it was widely discussed and widely reported by certain aspects of the media and certain sections of society.

The point I am making is that people with very biased political views are very quick to start questioning trumps mental ability when they likely never went to the effort to discuss bidens.

Looks like it hit a nerve with some..

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By *e-OptimistMan 15 weeks ago

Stalybridge

After watching the deranged one at Davos there is no doubt he is rubber room bound. Lies upon exaggerations and total lack of understanding of global interactions. Grandstanding for the clowns back home who still think he is the divine one handpicked by the Almighty. Sad, laughable, scary but not unexpected.

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By *uriousCouple20224Couple 15 weeks ago

nottingham


"Biden did have age related cognitive degeneration. Trump is displaying symptoms of Frontotemporal Dementia

But hey facts n shit. I know you lot hate facts

I love facts. Why don't you tell us what symptoms of Frontotemporal Dementia Trump is displaying, and how they differ from the age related cognitive degeneration that Biden was displaying?

Trump is showing all of these symptoms.

Tactlessness, impulsive comments, increased aggression, or loss of inhibition.

Compulsive Behaviors

Poor Judgment & Planning

Difficulty understanding consequences.

Reduced Empathy

Difficulty Speaking: Slow speech, trouble forming words

Word Finding Difficulties: Forgetting common words, using wrong words, or struggling to describe things.

Grammar Issues: Using simple sentences, leaving out words, or putting words in the wrong order Understanding Problems: Difficulty grasping the meaning of complex sentences, despite knowing individual words. 

Movement Issues: Slow movement, stiffness, balance problems, falls, or muscle weakness.

Bladder/Bowel Control Loss

Biden showed some onset age related issues.

Facts n shit.

"

Case in point.. long list of issues with trumps ageing then

" Biden displayed some onset of age related issues" lmao..

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By *otandDashCouple 15 weeks ago

farnham

Trump has great entertainment value , Certainly knows how to land the big punches with his comments .

His speech spelt out how the UK and Europe has ponced of the US for decades .

Hopefully now Nato can move on an agree to providing more funding and troops to the cause .

He certainly ruffles feathers with online social media users and brings out the worse in his opponents who attack the Man rather than discuss the weaknesses of the arguments he makes ..

So yes I like him for his brash no nonsense views but have some strong reservations about most of them, Particularly Trumps threats to invade Greenland .

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By *e-OptimistMan 15 weeks ago

Stalybridge

The US has always used the NATO Alliance as a cash cow for the US Defence Industry. The have actively and deliberately planned and implemented the destruction of the European and Canadian defence industries. US Defence contractors have also historically conducted corrupt procurement deals with NATO members to secure contracts when European alternatives were available. The strategy was ostensibly to introduce "standardisation" across NATO but in reality was to reduce/limit European defence capability and enforce reliance on US supplied weaponry whilst massively benefitting the US military industrial complex. Europeans have been slow in recognising this dependence because of the mistaken assumption that US interests aligned with their own. It is now obvious that this is not what the US think. It has taken this latest crisis to make the rest of Europe and Canada realise that a more active role needs to be taken. It may take time but it will probably be worth becoming more independent.

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By *ostindreamsMan 15 weeks ago

London


"The US has always used the NATO Alliance as a cash cow for the US Defence Industry. The have actively and deliberately planned and implemented the destruction of the European and Canadian defence industries. US Defence contractors have also historically conducted corrupt procurement deals with NATO members to secure contracts when European alternatives were available. The strategy was ostensibly to introduce "standardisation" across NATO but in reality was to reduce/limit European defence capability and enforce reliance on US supplied weaponry whilst massively benefitting the US military industrial complex. Europeans have been slow in recognising this dependence because of the mistaken assumption that US interests aligned with their own. It is now obvious that this is not what the US think. It has taken this latest crisis to make the rest of Europe and Canada realise that a more active role needs to be taken. It may take time but it will probably be worth becoming more independent."

Blame US all you want. But this is some ridiculous mental gymnastics to blame them for the failure of the European politicians who chose to fund their welfare systems over improving their defense. If Europe indulged in "corrupt procurement deals", the blame still lies with them.

Merkel went to bed with Putin and chose to build gas pipelines to Russia, paying them in billions, literally funding their invasion of Ukraine and also making Europe reliant on that energy.

European politicians screwed up big time here because of their naive idealist view of the world, thinking that Europe is safe from attacks. No point in blaming the US for that.

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple 15 weeks ago

Border of London


"

European politicians screwed up big time here because of their naive idealist view of the world, thinking that Europe is safe from attacks. No point in blaming the US for that."

Like the Greens want to do over here - "war is not the answer", so they want to de-fund the military, because being nice is all you need in geopolitics...

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By *abioMan 15 weeks ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Did you notice he went down the “you’d all the speaking German is if it wasn’t for us” route……

Also… the “we help you by I don’t believe you would help us if needed” line… something needs to remind him 447 British troops died in the war in Afghanistan after 9/11… pretty offensive!

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By *ostindreamsMan 15 weeks ago

London


"

European politicians screwed up big time here because of their naive idealist view of the world, thinking that Europe is safe from attacks. No point in blaming the US for that.

Like the Greens want to do over here - "war is not the answer", so they want to de-fund the military, because being nice is all you need in geopolitics...

"

Also, dismantling our nuclear weapons and asking Putin nicely to dismantle his

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By *aughtystaffs60Couple 15 weeks ago

Staffordshire

A pool of talent 0f 8.3 Billion people on the planet and we end up with 1/2 dozen socio and psychopaths ruling the world. Well done everybody LOL.

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By *winga2Man 15 weeks ago

Stranraer


"Did you notice he went down the “you’d all the speaking German is if it wasn’t for us” route……

Also… the “we help you by I don’t believe you would help us if needed” line… something needs to remind him 447 British troops died in the war in Afghanistan after 9/11… pretty offensive! "

Next thing he'll tell us he served on the front line in Afghanistan, and I'm pretty sure maga maniacs would actually believe him too.

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By *imba NinjaMan 15 weeks ago

Aberdeen


"The crazy orange fucker is freewheeling about windmills etc at Davis just now

What a shambles of a man

What a disgrace as a role model and leader

Demented to the core

His comments about the USA and Denmark in ww2 are inaccurate but stretching it factual factual course the states entry into the war played a huge part..

His post 911 remarks are fucking offensive given the assistance and the lives lost from all the other countries in Afghanistan..

Then again he is the 'man' who had bone spurs who once slagged off John McCain who spent time as a pow in Vietnam..

Repulsive to say what he did today.."

Nearly everything this man says is offensive to decent honest people!

During his first term he had to have pearl harbour explained to him as he didn't know what all the fuss was about on Armistice Day.

I mean he's lecturing all of us about a history he's got fuck all understanding of

What more does he have to do to prove how unfit to govern he truly is ?

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By *uriousCouple20224Couple 15 weeks ago

nottingham


"The US has always used the NATO Alliance as a cash cow for the US Defence Industry. The have actively and deliberately planned and implemented the destruction of the European and Canadian defence industries. US Defence contractors have also historically conducted corrupt procurement deals with NATO members to secure contracts when European alternatives were available. The strategy was ostensibly to introduce "standardisation" across NATO but in reality was to reduce/limit European defence capability and enforce reliance on US supplied weaponry whilst massively benefitting the US military industrial complex. Europeans have been slow in recognising this dependence because of the mistaken assumption that US interests aligned with their own. It is now obvious that this is not what the US think. It has taken this latest crisis to make the rest of Europe and Canada realise that a more active role needs to be taken. It may take time but it will probably be worth becoming more independent.

Blame US all you want. But this is some ridiculous mental gymnastics to blame them for the failure of the European politicians who chose to fund their welfare systems over improving their defense. If Europe indulged in "corrupt procurement deals", the blame still lies with them.

Merkel went to bed with Putin and chose to build gas pipelines to Russia, paying them in billions, literally funding their invasion of Ukraine and also making Europe reliant on that energy.

European politicians screwed up big time here because of their naive idealist view of the world, thinking that Europe is safe from attacks. No point in blaming the US for that."

I think what both of you have said is right and both have valid points.

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By *uriousCouple20224Couple 15 weeks ago

nottingham


"Did you notice he went down the “you’d all the speaking German is if it wasn’t for us” route……

Also… the “we help you by I don’t believe you would help us if needed” line… something needs to remind him 447 British troops died in the war in Afghanistan after 9/11… pretty offensive! "

America takes way to much credit for ww2.. As ever they entered the war when it suited there interests not because it was the right thing to do.

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By *ostindreamsMan 15 weeks ago

London


"The US has always used the NATO Alliance as a cash cow for the US Defence Industry. The have actively and deliberately planned and implemented the destruction of the European and Canadian defence industries. US Defence contractors have also historically conducted corrupt procurement deals with NATO members to secure contracts when European alternatives were available. The strategy was ostensibly to introduce "standardisation" across NATO but in reality was to reduce/limit European defence capability and enforce reliance on US supplied weaponry whilst massively benefitting the US military industrial complex. Europeans have been slow in recognising this dependence because of the mistaken assumption that US interests aligned with their own. It is now obvious that this is not what the US think. It has taken this latest crisis to make the rest of Europe and Canada realise that a more active role needs to be taken. It may take time but it will probably be worth becoming more independent.

Blame US all you want. But this is some ridiculous mental gymnastics to blame them for the failure of the European politicians who chose to fund their welfare systems over improving their defense. If Europe indulged in "corrupt procurement deals", the blame still lies with them.

Merkel went to bed with Putin and chose to build gas pipelines to Russia, paying them in billions, literally funding their invasion of Ukraine and also making Europe reliant on that energy.

European politicians screwed up big time here because of their naive idealist view of the world, thinking that Europe is safe from attacks. No point in blaming the US for that.

I think what both of you have said is right and both have valid points."

"The have actively and deliberately planned and implemented the destruction of the European and Canadian defence industries" - This is a baseless claim.

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By *uriousCouple20224Couple 15 weeks ago

nottingham


"The US has always used the NATO Alliance as a cash cow for the US Defence Industry. The have actively and deliberately planned and implemented the destruction of the European and Canadian defence industries. US Defence contractors have also historically conducted corrupt procurement deals with NATO members to secure contracts when European alternatives were available. The strategy was ostensibly to introduce "standardisation" across NATO but in reality was to reduce/limit European defence capability and enforce reliance on US supplied weaponry whilst massively benefitting the US military industrial complex. Europeans have been slow in recognising this dependence because of the mistaken assumption that US interests aligned with their own. It is now obvious that this is not what the US think. It has taken this latest crisis to make the rest of Europe and Canada realise that a more active role needs to be taken. It may take time but it will probably be worth becoming more independent.

Blame US all you want. But this is some ridiculous mental gymnastics to blame them for the failure of the European politicians who chose to fund their welfare systems over improving their defense. If Europe indulged in "corrupt procurement deals", the blame still lies with them.

Merkel went to bed with Putin and chose to build gas pipelines to Russia, paying them in billions, literally funding their invasion of Ukraine and also making Europe reliant on that energy.

European politicians screwed up big time here because of their naive idealist view of the world, thinking that Europe is safe from attacks. No point in blaming the US for that.

I think what both of you have said is right and both have valid points.

"The have actively and deliberately planned and implemented the destruction of the European and Canadian defence industries" - This is a baseless claim. "

Lockheed Bribery Scandals (1970s): During the "Deal of the Century" in the 1960s-70s, Lockheed bribed officials in multiple European countries—including Italy—to select the F-104 Starfighter over alternatives. This, along with other decisions, led to a reduced market for British-designed interceptors, such as the English Electric Lightning.

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By *porty_and_NaughtyCouple 15 weeks ago

Swansea

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By *uriousCouple20224Couple 15 weeks ago

nottingham


"The US has always used the NATO Alliance as a cash cow for the US Defence Industry. The have actively and deliberately planned and implemented the destruction of the European and Canadian defence industries. US Defence contractors have also historically conducted corrupt procurement deals with NATO members to secure contracts when European alternatives were available. The strategy was ostensibly to introduce "standardisation" across NATO but in reality was to reduce/limit European defence capability and enforce reliance on US supplied weaponry whilst massively benefitting the US military industrial complex. Europeans have been slow in recognising this dependence because of the mistaken assumption that US interests aligned with their own. It is now obvious that this is not what the US think. It has taken this latest crisis to make the rest of Europe and Canada realise that a more active role needs to be taken. It may take time but it will probably be worth becoming more independent.

Blame US all you want. But this is some ridiculous mental gymnastics to blame them for the failure of the European politicians who chose to fund their welfare systems over improving their defense. If Europe indulged in "corrupt procurement deals", the blame still lies with them.

Merkel went to bed with Putin and chose to build gas pipelines to Russia, paying them in billions, literally funding their invasion of Ukraine and also making Europe reliant on that energy.

European politicians screwed up big time here because of their naive idealist view of the world, thinking that Europe is safe from attacks. No point in blaming the US for that.

I think what both of you have said is right and both have valid points.

"The have actively and deliberately planned and implemented the destruction of the European and Canadian defence industries" - This is a baseless claim.

Lockheed Bribery Scandals (1970s): During the "Deal of the Century" in the 1960s-70s, Lockheed bribed officials in multiple European countries—including Italy—to select the F-104 Starfighter over alternatives. This, along with other decisions, led to a reduced market for British-designed interceptors, such as the English Electric Lightning."

I would say say that was definitely deliberate and killed off what was left of our aerospace industry..

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By *octor ProdMan 15 weeks ago

Constantly Travelling With Work


"Biden did have age related cognitive degeneration. Trump is displaying symptoms of Frontotemporal Dementia

But hey facts n shit. I know you lot hate facts

I love facts. Why don't you tell us what symptoms of Frontotemporal Dementia Trump is displaying, and how they differ from the age related cognitive degeneration that Biden was displaying?

Trump is showing all of these symptoms.

Tactlessness, impulsive comments, increased aggression, or loss of inhibition.

Compulsive Behaviors

Poor Judgment & Planning

Difficulty understanding consequences.

Reduced Empathy

Difficulty Speaking: Slow speech, trouble forming words

Word Finding Difficulties: Forgetting common words, using wrong words, or struggling to describe things.

Grammar Issues: Using simple sentences, leaving out words, or putting words in the wrong order Understanding Problems: Difficulty grasping the meaning of complex sentences, despite knowing individual words. 

Movement Issues: Slow movement, stiffness, balance problems, falls, or muscle weakness.

Bladder/Bowel Control Loss

Biden showed some onset age related issues.

Facts n shit.

Not saying he doesn't exhibit some of those, not sure how you can add in his bowel/bladder etc but many of them he's probably had most of his life..

They're character traits albeit not very nice ones.."

I have a good friend in the Foreign Office who works in Washington a lot, and UK dignitaries who have to meet with Trump are briefed amongst other things about the faeces like smell

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By *porty_and_NaughtyCouple 15 weeks ago

Swansea


"

It's crazy how everyone was silent on Bidens cognitive ability then become suddenly experts when trumps in office...

What is crazy is your ability to completely misremember things that only happened a few years back. Biden's cognitive ability was widely discussed everywhere from social to national and international media. Google BBC Biden Dementia then BBC Trump dementia and see which of the two men was subject to the most scrutiny over their mental health.

Comments like this say an awful lot about your position - mostly that you bolster your beliefs with imagination rather than fact, that feelings of being under attack outweigh any incentive to understand reality.

P

No not at all.. it was widely discussed and widely reported by certain aspects of the media and certain sections of society.

The point I am making is that people with very biased political views are very quick to start questioning trumps mental ability when they likely never went to the effort to discuss bidens.

Looks like it hit a nerve with some..

"

I love the way people back pedal so violently but their cognitive dissonance is so ingrained they don't notice it.

Here is what was first said.

'It's crazy how EVERYONE was silent on Bidens cognitive ability...'

Now, having been caught out talking nonsense it has become

'People with very biased political views are very quick to start questioning trumps mental ability when they likely never went to the effort to discuss bidens.'

So, we have dropped the bar from 'everyone' to 'people with very biased political opinions' and gone from a statement of fact 'everyone 'was' silent to mere conjecture 'they 'likely' never went ...

I repeat what I said then (with added emphasis) comments like this say an awful lot about your position - mostly that you bolster your beliefs with *imagination* rather than fact, that *feelings of being under attack* outweigh any incentive to understand reality.

Is it likely that a minority of people would have defended Biden against any criticism but will not hear a good word about Trump? Yeah, probably. Is there a problem as was stated in the first post that the issues with Bidens health were ignored by everyone and everyone is now talking about Trump's health? Not at all, as can clearly be found from a little bit of Googling, Biden's health was a world wide topic for years, conversations around Trumps mental health are only just beginning to gain traction.

It is of course worth pointing out that Biden, in his most impaired moments didn't promote the idea of invading an ally while Trump has. Given the huge impact of Trump's behavior, establishing whether there is an issue with his cognitive functions becomes a matter for world safety, not simply a way of scoring political points but hey, that's just my opinion.

P

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By *uriousCouple20224Couple 15 weeks ago

nottingham


"[Removed by poster at 21/01/26 17:43:17]"

Wow speedy deletion..

Such lovely discourse.. When I said "everyone" I never meant the literal "everyone" I was being hyperbolic. I thought that was obviously but it must not have been as there was several other posters not just your self that thought I was being literal. I will chose my words more carefully in the future.

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By *ostindreamsMan 15 weeks ago

London

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By *ostindreamsMan 15 weeks ago

London


"The US has always used the NATO Alliance as a cash cow for the US Defence Industry. The have actively and deliberately planned and implemented the destruction of the European and Canadian defence industries. US Defence contractors have also historically conducted corrupt procurement deals with NATO members to secure contracts when European alternatives were available. The strategy was ostensibly to introduce "standardisation" across NATO but in reality was to reduce/limit European defence capability and enforce reliance on US supplied weaponry whilst massively benefitting the US military industrial complex. Europeans have been slow in recognising this dependence because of the mistaken assumption that US interests aligned with their own. It is now obvious that this is not what the US think. It has taken this latest crisis to make the rest of Europe and Canada realise that a more active role needs to be taken. It may take time but it will probably be worth becoming more independent.

Blame US all you want. But this is some ridiculous mental gymnastics to blame them for the failure of the European politicians who chose to fund their welfare systems over improving their defense. If Europe indulged in "corrupt procurement deals", the blame still lies with them.

Merkel went to bed with Putin and chose to build gas pipelines to Russia, paying them in billions, literally funding their invasion of Ukraine and also making Europe reliant on that energy.

European politicians screwed up big time here because of their naive idealist view of the world, thinking that Europe is safe from attacks. No point in blaming the US for that.

I think what both of you have said is right and both have valid points.

"The have actively and deliberately planned and implemented the destruction of the European and Canadian defence industries" - This is a baseless claim.

Lockheed Bribery Scandals (1970s): During the "Deal of the Century" in the 1960s-70s, Lockheed bribed officials in multiple European countries—including Italy—to select the F-104 Starfighter over alternatives. This, along with other decisions, led to a reduced market for British-designed interceptors, such as the English Electric Lightning.

I would say say that was definitely deliberate and killed off what was left of our aerospace industry.."

A corporation bribed the government to favour them. You can't blame the American government for that. This kind of bribery happens across the board with corporations from different countries bribing different governments.

Not to mention the fact that it happened like 5 decades back and it was the European politicians who fucked up here too.

Europe's weak defense is entirely down to the incompetence and stupidity of the European politicians. There is no point in shifting partial blame on US or anyone else for that matter. No one put a gun to the head of these politicians to force the things they did. The choices were made by them out of their own will.

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By *e-OptimistMan 15 weeks ago

Stalybridge

US Policy in the 1950-60s was to reduce competition with US Defence contractors by pressurising European and Canadian companies to cancel ongoing military projects. Predident Eisenhower even warned that the US Military Industrial complex was becoming too poweful.

Avro Canada was maneuvered into cancelling the Arrow fighter - a very advanced aircraft which would have been a world beater. They were offered instead second rate Voodoo fighters and unsuitable Bomarc missiles. The British similarly had numerous projects affected most famously the TSR 2. Intense pressure was also placed on Germany to cancel the Leopard tank programme and Mirage fighter project in France. Luckily they failed.

When the US provided military equipment under the MDAP programme it was US built which helped their industry with lowering unit production cost which benefitted the US economy. Additionally the client states were tied in to long term and increasingly expensive support packages.

Many current buyers of US equipment particularly the F-35 are worried that they might be fitted with a "kill switch" which allows the US to disable these aircraft at the push of a button. This is part of the reasoning why Canada has rejected the F-35 in favour of a European solution.

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By *uriousCouple20224Couple 15 weeks ago

nottingham


"The US has always used the NATO Alliance as a cash cow for the US Defence Industry. The have actively and deliberately planned and implemented the destruction of the European and Canadian defence industries. US Defence contractors have also historically conducted corrupt procurement deals with NATO members to secure contracts when European alternatives were available. The strategy was ostensibly to introduce "standardisation" across NATO but in reality was to reduce/limit European defence capability and enforce reliance on US supplied weaponry whilst massively benefitting the US military industrial complex. Europeans have been slow in recognising this dependence because of the mistaken assumption that US interests aligned with their own. It is now obvious that this is not what the US think. It has taken this latest crisis to make the rest of Europe and Canada realise that a more active role needs to be taken. It may take time but it will probably be worth becoming more independent.

Blame US all you want. But this is some ridiculous mental gymnastics to blame them for the failure of the European politicians who chose to fund their welfare systems over improving their defense. If Europe indulged in "corrupt procurement deals", the blame still lies with them.

Merkel went to bed with Putin and chose to build gas pipelines to Russia, paying them in billions, literally funding their invasion of Ukraine and also making Europe reliant on that energy.

European politicians screwed up big time here because of their naive idealist view of the world, thinking that Europe is safe from attacks. No point in blaming the US for that.

I think what both of you have said is right and both have valid points.

"The have actively and deliberately planned and implemented the destruction of the European and Canadian defence industries" - This is a baseless claim.

Lockheed Bribery Scandals (1970s): During the "Deal of the Century" in the 1960s-70s, Lockheed bribed officials in multiple European countries—including Italy—to select the F-104 Starfighter over alternatives. This, along with other decisions, led to a reduced market for British-designed interceptors, such as the English Electric Lightning.

I would say say that was definitely deliberate and killed off what was left of our aerospace industry..

A corporation bribed the government to favour them. You can't blame the American government for that. This kind of bribery happens across the board with corporations from different countries bribing different governments.

Not to mention the fact that it happened like 5 decades back and it was the European politicians who fucked up here too.

Europe's weak defense is entirely down to the incompetence and stupidity of the European politicians. There is no point in shifting partial blame on US or anyone else for that matter. No one put a gun to the head of these politicians to force the things they did. The choices were made by them out of their own will."

I agree with you, Europes weak defence is down to it's own poor choices and choosing to use the peace Dividend to fund more altruistic things like welfare and health care.

But you are realy letting the US off the hook way to easy. It's not a pointless exercise to criticise them for there wrong doings and the is absolutely no way, the American government and CIA did not know what it's top defence contractor was doing...

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By *porty_and_NaughtyCouple 15 weeks ago

Swansea


"[Removed by poster at 21/01/26 17:43:17]

Wow speedy deletion..

Such lovely discourse.. When I said "everyone" I never meant the literal "everyone" I was being hyperbolic. I thought that was obviously but it must not have been as there was several other posters not just your self that thought I was being literal. I will chose my words more carefully in the future."

The deletion was because I'd read up further and seen a few more balanced replies from yourself which made me question whether you were the person I originally responded to or simply someone replying to my post. I copied the post and pasted again having confirmed you were.

It's easy to hide behind hyperbole, it's a bit like the old 'I was only joking' defence. The point I'm making is that your original post that I responded to painted a picture of the world that is factually incorrect - and remains so with it without your defence of 'I was being hyperbolic'. It was an attempt to demonstrate that people with different opinions to you are biased, inconsistent and hypocritical, instead, what it showed is that you are prepared to distort facts, if not outright invent them to make your point.

There is, was and never has been a significant issue with hypocrisy in this case. Biden's difficulties were widely acknowledged, and where they were defended, there was at a minimum a wide acceptance that, true or not, the idea that he was cognitively impaired was damaging to the party. So much so he was forced out of office against his will by his own party - is that really the behaviour you'd expect to see when everyone, or even a significant number of people were being quiet? The more I reply to you, the more I'm struggling to understand how on earth you believed typing your first comment was even worth while.

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan 15 weeks ago

Gilfach


"Why don't you tell us what symptoms of Frontotemporal Dementia Trump is displaying, and how they differ from the age related cognitive degeneration that Biden was displaying?"


"Trump is showing all of these symptoms.

Tactlessness, impulsive comments, increased aggression, or loss of inhibition.

Compulsive Behaviors

Poor Judgment & Planning

Difficulty understanding consequences.

Reduced Empathy

Difficulty Speaking: Slow speech, trouble forming words

Word Finding Difficulties: Forgetting common words, using wrong words, or struggling to describe things.

Grammar Issues: Using simple sentences, leaving out words, or putting words in the wrong order Understanding Problems: Difficulty grasping the meaning of complex sentences, despite knowing individual words. 

Movement Issues: Slow movement, stiffness, balance problems, falls, or muscle weakness.

Bladder/Bowel Control Loss"

Compulsive behaviour isn't a symptom of Frontotemporal Dementia. The rest of them are, but they're also character traits that Trump has had for decades. How are you determining that he has developed Frontotemporal Dementia if his 'symptoms' haven't changed?


"Biden showed some onset age related issues."

Hidden showed ample evidence of a rapid decline due to Vascular Dementia. Why are you attempting to dismiss that as just "age related issues"?


"Facts n shit."

Not many facts, but the rest of that sentence is fine.

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan 15 weeks ago

Gilfach


"Trump talking about Chagos thinks we've sold them - I guess no-one could actually believe we've paid billions to give them away!

Maybe it's Sir Keir who needs the health check ?"


"Are you aware how many more billions it would have cost to keep them ?"

Tell us. How much more would it cost, and why?

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By *winga2Man 15 weeks ago

Stranraer


"Trump talking about Chagos thinks we've sold them - I guess no-one could actually believe we've paid billions to give them away!

Maybe it's Sir Keir who needs the health check ?

Are you aware how many more billions it would have cost to keep them ?

Tell us. How much more would it cost, and why?"

No idea that's why I'm asking the question 🙄

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By *winga2Man 15 weeks ago

Stranraer

Shared from "the trump diaries"

I WATCHED TRUMP'S ENTIRE PRESS BRIEFING TODAY SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO

I know it's popular around here to hyperbolically remark that every new Trump speech is the "most deranged speech you've ever heard," but a select few of them actually fit the bill, no hyperbole.

That Christmas Eve White House address where he forgot to mention Christmas and spent the whole time talking about deadly South American snakes is a solid Top 3 Contender.

So was today's White House presser celebrating his One Year Anniversary in office.

For starters, Agent Orange showed up a half-hour late, wielding a phone-book-sized stack of papers clipped together that just said "ACCOMPLISHMENTS," which Trump held up and said, "We have a book that I'm not going to read to you– these are the accomplishments of what we've produced."

And then having told the press room he's not gonna read them anything in the "book" he’s waving at them, Trump launched into a rambling 1-hour 45-min incoherent mess that made a strong case for giving the man another one of those "preventative MRIs."

Here's some of the things 47 thought we would be proud of him for "accomplishing" this year:

• He held up several mugshots of Minnesota's "WORST OF WORST" criminals, explaining that ICE had just rounded them up last week even though the mugshots we could all read said they'd been convicted last summer. One mugshot said the man was guilty of "Intentional Homicide," which Trump read as "International Homicide."

• Somalians stole $19 billion dollars. They're very low-IQ people, but somehow they figured out how to steal $19 billion and spent it all on Mercedes Benzes. And Somalia isn't even a real country. (Not sure how this is an "accomplishment," just go with it. As we'll see, Trump doesn't appear to have any idea how this exercise is supposed to work.)

• Rep Ilhan Omar made $30 million without ever having a job. (she's been a teacher, campaign manager, non-profit executive, Dept of Education staff, and City Council member. Most of "her" net worth is actually her husband's.)

• Men in women's sports is dumb, but not as dumb as Biden's open border policies.

• All the oil companies are getting ready to "massively invest in Venezuela" (despite telling Trump last week that Venezuela was "univestable.")

• Joe Biden is sleepy. And crooked. And the worst president we've ever had.

• Minnesota is full of the "toughest people around," and all ICE wants to do is round them up and send them back to the mental institutions they came from, but they're being abused by Don Lemon who's a "loser and lightweight."

• He really felt bad when "that woman" was shot, but some other lady was yelling "Shame! Shame!" like a professional opera singer, so that's how he knows she was a professional agitator.

• ICE arrested "10,000 criminals in Minnesota." (ICE has arrested around 3,000 people TOTAL in MN, 212 of which had severe criminal records.)

• He loves "Hispanic." He did great– he did the highest. Nobody ever got numbers like he got, "from the standpoint of being a Republican."

• He "won the entire border along Texas between Texas and Mexico," which nobody's ever done before.

• Joe Biden didn't win the election—it was rigged—and "everybody knows that now." Numbers are "coming out now that show it even more plainly—we caught him."

• He's very glad his fingers didn't get stuck in that big clip holding all the papers together. It could've done a lot of damage, but he wouldn't have showed any pain at all...even if his fingers fell off.

• He solved Biden's "stagflation," which was "the highest inflation in the history of our country." (It wasn't even in the Top 10, and Biden solved it before Trump took office.)

• Many of the biggest factories in the world are now being built in America. (Don't ask how they're both "the biggest" and also "under construction.")

• The Democrats shut down the government but the U.S. still had 5% GDP growth. And nobody present has "ever heard of 5%." Under Biden, inflation was so high that "nobody could calculate it."

• SNAP was at $7 billion, but then it came out to over $51 billion because the previous administration didn't have a clue—all they wanted was for men to play women's sports—so they went to the Supreme Court, but everyone saw in the Supreme Court that men playing women's sports doesn't work, so he got $18 trillion in commitments for new investments.

• Drug prices in America were so high that we were basically "subsidizing the whole world," but now we have Most Favored Nation Status, which reduces drug prices 300, 400, 500, even 600%.

• We had the best economy in history during his first term, but then Biden came in and ruined it all so now we have to build it all again.

• We slashed the federal budget deficit by 27% in one year (it was actually 2%), and that's with all the murderers in Minnesota they had to deal with.

• Biden let in millions of illegals and almost all of them are "mentally insane killers."

• California is a "disaster state" with a governor that is "doing a bad job." And if Newsom ever became president, he'd turn the U.S. into Venzuela. (CA has the largest economy in the US and the 4th-largest in the world.)

• Investment in American factories is up 41%, which is a record. Nobody goes 41% up. You go 2% up. 1% up, you go down by 3%. If Kamala got elected, the 41% up would be 41% down.

• He fired 270,000 people from their "government bureaucrat jobs," and all those people wanted to hate him, but then they all got jobs in factories making three times as much money and now they can all afford houses, so they love him for firing them.

• Nobody has come into the country illegally in 8 months. But before that, EVERYONE came in and they were so bad, they made our Hell's Angels look like "the sweetest people on earth." The Hell's Angels are now considered a "nice, high-quality person."

• That thing we did to the drug boats—we're starting to do that on land. Land is much easier than water. Actually, water is incredible. We did it on the water, so nobody's going into the boat business right now. Drugs coming in by water is down 97% now, which nobody has ever heard of before.

• ICE is going to "make mistakes" and "rough some people up" because the people they're going after are really rough. But that lady they shot in the face—Trump felt really bad about it. Because he heard her dad was a Trump supporter–a tremendous Trump fan. He was all for Trump. Loved Trump. And it's terrible— he was told that by a lot of people. They said, "Oh, he he loves you." He was a- Trump hopes he still feels that way because it's a hard hard situation. But her father was a tremendous– her parents were tremendous Trump fans. (Seriously. "I feel bad about my goons blasting her face off because her dad loved me.")

• Ilhan Omar is from Somalia. They say it's the worst country in the world. If it's even a country, which he doesn't think it is. There's no organization. They don't have police. (they do) They don't have a military. (they do) It's "nothing but people running around killing each other and trying to pirate ships." Trump can't stand her.

• He was doing a great campaign against Biden. But then Biden pulled out and Kamala got in, which is just like if Dana White was doing a cage fight and in the middle of the fight, he replaced one fighter with a different fighter. But it didn't matter.

• He "very powerfully" designated English the official language of the U.S.

• We made the Gulf of Mexico the Gulf of America because we have "92% of the shoreline." Mexico "only has 8%." (The U.S. has about 42%, Mexico about 52%, Cuba 7%)

• He's trying to end birthright citizenship because it was originally intended for "the children of sla ves."

• He hopes SCOTUS will declare fentanyl a "Weapon of Mass Destruction" because 300,000 died last year, which is like "filling up one of those big football stadium five times.)

• We had a "very good success rate" of blowing boats out of the water—nearly 100%—and then we blew up their docks where they "stored all their drugs" and now we have a great relationship with Venezuela. Which is way better than before when they were sending Tren de Aragua to take over Colorado and chopping off people's hands if they called the cops.

• You can now take your children, your loved ones, or even your lover to D.C. and walk down the streets and not be murdered any more. Because the military took all the fences down and got rid of the graffiti. And that's why every town looks better when the military's in it.

• Elections in Minnesota have always been corrupt. He "really feels" like he won it three times.

• Next month, he's getting rid of cashless bail. Which reminds him of growing up in Queens and seeing bars on windows. Which reminds him of playing baseball in the park. Which reminds him of his mom. Who told him he could've been a professional baseball player. But those bars on the windows were the Democrats' fault, so they took them down and now everybody lives on the streets.

• California "took down all their mental institutions" and that's why "everybody lives on the streets" there now.

• Taking out Iran's nukes was the "most successful anyone's ever seen," and CNN is fake news. He doesn't know where they are, but they're definitely fake. That's why we're respected on the world stage again.

• He ended 8 "unendedable wars" including India-Pakistan, which was "about to go nuclear" in his opinion. So he probably saved 10 million people.

• Ethiopia built the biggest dam in the world to steal all the water in "a little river called the Nile" from Egypt. And we financed it. Maybe it was a Republican president, but he doesn't think it was. He thinks it was a Democrat president. But Egypt needs a lot of water for things like entertainment and travel and tourism, so Trump got their Nile River water back for them.

• He KNOWS that Norway "calls all the shots" over the Nobel Peace Prize—even if they say "we have nothing to do with it," they're totally lying—but he doesn't care anything about the Peace Prize. Also that "Maria lady" is a very nice lady for giving him her Peace Prize.

• He just created the Board of Peace, which he "hopes will be amazing."

• Biden completely botched the Afghanistan withdrawal. Which never would've happened under Trump because he's "done more for NATO than maybe anyone."

• We're about to start building new battleships that are "100 times more powerful than those battleships in WW2." And he renamed the Department of Defense the Department of War, "which everybody loves, by the way."

• He withdrew us from the WHO because we pay way more than China, who has a lot more people. But we have a better military. And it's being rebuilt because it was "horrible" that Biden gave it all away to the Taliban.

• The Paris Climate Accord is fake.

• He ended "the woke lunacy and restored common sense."

• He ended the "Green New Scam" (his nickname for the Green New Deal, which isn't a thing that's ever existed).

• Tariffs are the greatest thing ever. And he had to invoke the CA emissions waiver to stop the San Francisco communists from regulating the auto industry and destroying automobiles and the entire country.

• Banned transgenders from the military, and gender ideology and Critical Race Theory from schools. But what Harvard's done is terrible—they're "very antisemitic."

• Linda McMahon is doing a fantastic job abolishing the Department of Education. He ended Joe Biden's Weaponization of Government and removed the "radical left Marxist" prosecutors like Jack Smith, who's a son of a bitch. And Alvin Bragg is sick. And so is Letitia James. And so is Fannie Willis, but she wants to be called "Fawnie" even though it's really "Fanny."

• People accuse Trump of "weaponizing everything," but he's never weaponized ANYTHING. They did it to him first. Nobody's ever gone through what he went through, and now he's in a beautiful building called "the White House."

• NPR and PBS were "very unfair" so he "closed them." Because they were terrible. Just so terrible. BUT he brought back Columbus Day, which made the Italian people very happy. And he also brought back Social Security.

• California is dumb because they didn't allow water in to put out the LA wildfires. They just dumped all their extra water into the Pacific Ocean.

• He issued new vaccine recommendations, and a new food pyramid, and provided $12 billion in aid for American farmers because they "got screwed by other nations" (aka "Trump's tariffs). But drug dealers are "way down."

ANNDDDDD......now I need to go poor bleach into my ears.

The things I do for you people!

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By *octor ProdMan 15 weeks ago

Constantly Travelling With Work


"Trump talking about Chagos thinks we've sold them - I guess no-one could actually believe we've paid billions to give them away!

Maybe it's Sir Keir who needs the health check ?

Are you aware how many more billions it would have cost to keep them ?

Tell us. How much more would it cost, and why?"

You are aware that the deal to hand over the Changos Islands was started under the Conservative government? Things like that don't happen overnight.

Fuck me, you will be saying the Tories weren't about to give the Falklands away when the Junta decided to invade

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By (user no longer on site) 15 weeks ago

Blimey TDS has never been this rampant in the Forum. 🤣🤣🤣

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By *abioMan 15 weeks ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"Blimey TDS has never been this rampant in the Forum. 🤣🤣🤣"

TDS is the go to response for anyone who doesn’t have a response…

But between his Whitehouse press briefing yesterday… and his davos speech today…. Can you make any sense of him….

Best story from yesterday was that he originally wanted to change the name of the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of Trump, but had to be talked out of it, so he went with gulf of America…..

Probably says it all…

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple 15 weeks ago

in Lancashire

He literally is the Walter Mitty of world leaders

Its like he just makes it up regardless of those things called 'facts'..

Kudos to his underlines, especially the ones with the ability to know things like history and reality in how they can keep a straight face..

Then defend what he's said no matter how wrong or vile..

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By (user no longer on site) 15 weeks ago


"Blimey TDS has never been this rampant in the Forum. 🤣🤣🤣

TDS is the go to response for anyone who doesn’t have a response…

But between his Whitehouse press briefing yesterday… and his davos speech today…. Can you make any sense of him….

Best story from yesterday was that he originally wanted to change the name of the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of Trump, but had to be talked out of it, so he went with gulf of America…..

Probably says it all…"

Yes because that's really more important and newsworthy than 20000 people (at least) being slaughtered in Iran. Mustn't mention that though as the Mullahs hate the US so they can't be all bad !

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By *ornucopiaMan 15 weeks ago

Bexley

After hearing Donald reading out his and America's incredible list of achievements today, I can only conclude that we have all got him totally wrong and owe him a huge apology for our erstwhile scorn.

Singling out the section which indicated his most remarkable wit,it has to be the bit where he told the Swiss how their watches were such a popular and lucrative import to the States that he felt obliged to levy 39% on them so that America could take a cut instead of all the profit going to a small and insignificant European country (His hosts for the occasion).

To give him his due, he never mentiond cuckoo clocks!

Yesterday, it seemed that his support was at an all time low.

What a bounce back!

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By *I TwoCouple 15 weeks ago

near enough

Now TACO king has dropped the 10% tarrifs threat as well as the threat of force.

Someone chopped the legs from under the cunt ?

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By *I TwoCouple 15 weeks ago

near enough


"Now TACO king has dropped the 10% tarrifs threat as well as the threat of force.

Someone chopped the legs from under the cunt ?

"

I hear he's after Iceland now 🤷‍♂️

Maybe fancies a frozen waffle or two 🤣

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By *abioMan 15 weeks ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"Now TACO king has dropped the 10% tarrifs threat as well as the threat of force.

Someone chopped the legs from under the cunt ?

"

He may well have actually had that done from someone he wasn’t expecting…

I think he was relying on Italy and Hungary to mess up any potential EU response… but the prime minister of Italy today came out all guns blazing over Greenland and tariff threats

Anyway the EU officially postponed the US trade deal vote… so unless it gets done in the next 10 days, the original tariff response will go through.. unless SCOTUS finally gets off it’s arse with the tariff decision

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By *uriousCouple20224Couple 15 weeks ago

nottingham


"Now TACO king has dropped the 10% tarrifs threat as well as the threat of force.

Someone chopped the legs from under the cunt ?

He may well have actually had that done from someone he wasn’t expecting…

I think he was relying on Italy and Hungary to mess up any potential EU response… but the prime minister of Italy today came out all guns blazing over Greenland and tariff threats

Anyway the EU officially postponed the US trade deal vote… so unless it gets done in the next 10 days, the original tariff response will go through.. unless SCOTUS finally gets off it’s arse with the tariff decision "

TACO will definitely be trending again...

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By *spire2writeandEnjoyMan 15 weeks ago

Pontypridd

Pig shit is more appealing than him.

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By (user no longer on site) 15 weeks ago


"Pig shit is more appealing than him. "

The spirit of Oscar Wilde lives !

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By *ada123Couple 15 weeks ago

Glasgow


"I'm perplexed at how he's managed to get to the level of power that he has.

Blame SCOTUS and the dereliction of responsibility by the house of representatives for that "

And the complete and utter lack of any form of critical thinking by a large section of the US voting public.

When this is all over, and America is trying to recover from what Trump has done to it, the internal political backlash will reflect post world war 2 Germany.

However, the trust built over generations with the rest of the word has been lost in less than a year. That will not easily return as new alliances are being built each day that bypass the USA.

Whatever you think of Trump, he will eventually disappear or die. The greatest damage has been done by the realisation that his election to office was the result of the mass stupidity of the US electorate and the spineless nature of "the party before the people" exhibited by the Republicans Congress.

They will both need to show they have wised up before Canada, South America, Europe, Africa, Asia, etc trust them again.

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By *ostInTheSupermarketMan 15 weeks ago

Central

The U.S. empire has peaked as far as I see. It’s all slowly downhill from here. Other countries have already started forging new alliances. The societal friction being caused by Trump could even end up as some kind of civil war at home. Can easily see him & his supporters throwing the rattle out of the pram if the mid terms don’t go his way & the aftermath of the next presidential election could be a bloodbath if the MAGA candidate loses & they dispute it. Trump with all his kicking & screaming is merely accelerating the demise of the USA who simply will not be trusted so unquestionably any more after all this nonsense.

I quite like the idea of a multi polar world myself so bring it on. The U.S. has abused its fiscal power to coerce other nations for way too long.

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By *ools and the brainCouple 15 weeks ago

couple, us we him her.


"I'm perplexed at how he's managed to get to the level of power that he has.

Blame SCOTUS and the dereliction of responsibility by the house of representatives for that

And the complete and utter lack of any form of critical thinking by a large section of the US voting public.

When this is all over, and America is trying to recover from what Trump has done to it, the internal political backlash will reflect post world war 2 Germany.

However, the trust built over generations with the rest of the word has been lost in less than a year. That will not easily return as new alliances are being built each day that bypass the USA.

Whatever you think of Trump, he will eventually disappear or die. The greatest damage has been done by the realisation that his election to office was the result of the mass stupidity of the US electorate and the spineless nature of "the party before the people" exhibited by the Republicans Congress.

They will both need to show they have wised up before Canada, South America, Europe, Africa, Asia, etc trust them again."

Honestly I don't think most Americans give two fucks about what the rest of the world thinks about them, this is what Trump has exploited.

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By *ulie.your. bottom. slutTV/TS 15 weeks ago

Near Glasgow

The US could never be trusted. Just ask the Kurds, who have once again got f***ed over in Syria after helping fight the Islamic state.

Now abandoned and being battered by the new Syrian regime with the blessing of the US.

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By *spire2writeandEnjoyMan 15 weeks ago

Pontypridd

That maybe. But the American people are gonna find out soon you can’t be a world superpower whilst having zero respect for the outside world.

It’s quite extraordinary that many MAGA accounts are proud of how they’re demeaning and bullying their allies, and act shocked and outraged when those countries like Canada suddenly become more willing to make their own separate peace with China.

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By *abioMan 15 weeks ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"

TACO will definitely be trending again..."

He gave an interview on us tv last night

It’s the “concept” of a “framework” of a “future deal” which will need “further negotiation” going forward….. and he will apparently give “updates” when “time arises”

Clear everyone!!!!

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By *estivalMan 15 weeks ago

borehamwood


"The US could never be trusted. Just ask the Kurds, who have once again got f***ed over in Syria after helping fight the Islamic state.

Now abandoned and being battered by the new Syrian regime with the blessing of the US."

its like you think this is something i new for america they have always been gangsters e who do whats best for them, only difference is trump says it out loud for everyone to hear, those before him have just been pissing down everyone's back and convincing everyone its raining, people just dont like the outright disdain being out in the open, its always been america first just not so out in the open

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By (user no longer on site) 15 weeks ago

Looks like a very bad day for TDS sufferers, my sympathy.🎻

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By *ostInTheSupermarketMan 15 weeks ago

Central


"its like you think this is something i new for america they have always been gangsters e who do whats best for them, only difference is trump says it out loud for everyone to hear, those before him have just been pissing down everyone's back and convincing everyone its raining, people just dont like the outright disdain being out in the open, its always been america first just not so out in the open"

This is true, which is why I couldn’t never get as riled about the Russian invasion of Ukraine as most others do. Sure, the invasion is wrong but American hypocrisy is wrong also.

Europeans railing against Putin whilst being totally complicit in dubious US foreign policy escapades? Really?

Europe needs to strike out on its own & stop being so tied to Uncle Sam.

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By *e-OptimistMan 15 weeks ago

Stalybridge

I am a firm believer in DTS - Deranged Trump Syndrome.

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By *winga2Man 15 weeks ago

Stranraer


"I am a firm believer in DTS - Deranged Trump Syndrome. "

I hope he makes you happy, like flu you'll eventually recover 😘

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By *abioMan 15 weeks ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

This is what trump said on American tv this morning..

Trump on NATO: "I've always said, will they be there if we ever needed them? That's really the ultimate test. I'm not sure of that. We've never needed them. They'll say they sent some troops to Afghanistan and this or that. And they did. They stayed a little back, off the front lines."

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By *spire2writeandEnjoyMan 15 weeks ago

Pontypridd

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By *spire2writeandEnjoyMan 15 weeks ago

Pontypridd


"This is what trump said on American tv this morning..

Trump on NATO: "I've always said, will they be there if we ever needed them? That's really the ultimate test. I'm not sure of that. We've never needed them. They'll say they sent some troops to Afghanistan and this or that. And they did. They stayed a little back, off the front lines.""

This disgusting orange POS has the nerve to belittle or suggest British and European soldiers didn’t fight enough when he himself got “bone spurs” when it was his time to go to Vietnam.

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By *e-OptimistMan 15 weeks ago

Stalybridge

It appears almost pointless to point out the Orange Buffoons lies and lack of a grip on reality as some dickhead will ride to his defence claiming there is nothing at all wrong and any criticism is just a case of TDS. Given the rapidity of some of these responses I am starting to think they are either generated by bots or directly from Langley itself.

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By (user no longer on site) 15 weeks ago

Now Zelensky praising Trump and criticising Europe. Oh what a terrible week for those afflicted with TDS. Imagine if there's a peace deal in Ukraine, they may just self combust ! 🤣

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By *e-OptimistMan 15 weeks ago

Stalybridge

Don't forget Trump loves flattery and toadies - most politicians have used it and found it to be only a temporary benefit. Even FIFA made up a daft award to placate the daft old bugger as a substitute for his "well deserved" Nobel prize (spoiler- he didn't win). Poor old Zelensky is desperate for a peace deal in Ukraines benefit and hoping to long term US support. Towing the Trump party line by also critising Europe cannot hurt his case and may help in the long run. TDS has nothing to do with it I just recognise the manipulative gangster like persona Trump revels in.

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By *rofessor-MarcusMan 15 weeks ago

Chorley

I don't think Trump is the full shilling, then again it is hard to tell with Americans. . . .

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By *winga2Man 15 weeks ago

Stranraer


"Now Zelensky praising Trump and criticising Europe. Oh what a terrible week for those afflicted with TDS. Imagine if there's a peace deal in Ukraine, they may just self combust ! 🤣"

I'm sure you'll recover

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By (user no longer on site) 15 weeks ago


"Now Zelensky praising Trump and criticising Europe. Oh what a terrible week for those afflicted with TDS. Imagine if there's a peace deal in Ukraine, they may just self combust ! 🤣

I'm sure you'll recover "

M

Brother I'm hurting from laughter 🤣

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By (user no longer on site) 15 weeks ago


"Don't forget Trump loves flattery and toadies - most politicians have used it and found it to be only a temporary benefit. Even FIFA made up a daft award to placate the daft old bugger as a substitute for his "well deserved" Nobel prize (spoiler- he didn't win). Poor old Zelensky is desperate for a peace deal in Ukraines benefit and hoping to long term US support. Towing the Trump party line by also critising Europe cannot hurt his case and may help in the long run. TDS has nothing to do with it I just recognise the manipulative gangster like persona Trump revels in."

'Gangster' 🤣🤣

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By (user no longer on site) 15 weeks ago

Murder rate in US falls by 20% in 2025 to 35 year low. What a terrible performance by the OG.

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By *I TwoCouple 15 weeks ago

near enough


"Murder rate in US falls by 20% in 2025 to 35 year low. What a terrible performance by the OG. "

That's what happens in police state isn't it ?

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By *arry and MegsCouple 15 weeks ago

Ipswich


"Murder rate in US falls by 20% in 2025 to 35 year low. What a terrible performance by the OG. "

Mostly due to polices out in place in previous years by the previous government.

Trump wouldn't want you to know that though ., all murders were directly attributed to biden 😂🤣🤪

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By *winga2Man 15 weeks ago

Stranraer

What about the imminent support for the thousands of Iranian protesters slaughtered because they listened to TACO ?

Maybe he just forgot or mixed them up with Iceland

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By (user no longer on site) 15 weeks ago


"Murder rate in US falls by 20% in 2025 to 35 year low. What a terrible performance by the OG.

That's what happens in police state isn't it ?"

Yeah, getting a little desperate now 🤭

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By *ickeyandmouseCouple 15 weeks ago

nr Alicante

Hate, dumb shit

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By *I TwoCouple 15 weeks ago

near enough


"Murder rate in US falls by 20% in 2025 to 35 year low. What a terrible performance by the OG.

That's what happens in police state isn't it ?

Yeah, getting a little desperate now 🤭"

I'd say you are too 🤷‍♂️

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By *winga2Man 15 weeks ago

Stranraer


"Murder rate in US falls by 20% in 2025 to 35 year low. What a terrible performance by the OG.

That's what happens in police state isn't it ?

Yeah, getting a little desperate now 🤭

I'd say you are too 🤷‍♂️"

Probably get his daily news from X or (mis)truth social 🤣😂

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By *crumdiddlyumptiousMan 15 weeks ago

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"Murder rate in US falls by 20% in 2025 to 35 year low. What a terrible performance by the OG.

That's what happens in police state isn't it ?

Yeah, getting a little desperate now 🤭

I'd say you are too 🤷‍♂️

Probably get his daily news from X or (mis)truth social 🤣😂"

The Council on Criminal Justice (CCJ), a nonpartisan think tank, released a year-end 2025 update analysing data from 35–40 large U.S. cities,

CBS News, The New York Times, Fox News, ABC News, Axios, Fortune, and The Hill covered the CCJ findings

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By (user no longer on site) 15 weeks ago

Washington DC 40% drop in murder rate after Trump employed National Guard there.

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan 15 weeks ago

Hastings

Love as his actions have driven up the price of GOLD again, so a good investment.

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By *ornucopiaMan 15 weeks ago

Bexley

He's one smart cookie, according to his speech yesterday. Why would he lie?

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By *winga2Man 15 weeks ago

Stranraer


"He's one smart cookie, according to his speech yesterday. Why would he lie?"

And don't forget he's a decorated war hero and has a noble prize medal, maybe Jimmy Saville even got him a blue Peter badge too 😂🤣

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By *kibirdWoman 15 weeks ago

Gillingham ( Dorset, not Kent)

Problem is he’s treating global politics as if it’s one of his companies. Difference is that in global politics you can’t just clam bankruptcy and start over. The consequences are much bigger

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By *winga2Man 15 weeks ago

Stranraer

President Donald Trump claimed during a press conference that the United States and Italy have been allies “since the time of Ancient Rome.” The remark, historically impossible given the fall of the Roman Empire more than a millennium before the U.S. existed, left his Italian translator visibly stunned

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple 15 weeks ago

Border of London


"Washington DC 40% drop in murder rate after Trump employed National Guard there. "

0% in Russia under Stalin, so he has a good target to aim for

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By (user no longer on site) 15 weeks ago


"Washington DC 40% drop in murder rate after Trump employed National Guard there.

0% in Russia under Stalin, so he has a good target to aim for "

Didn't Stalin murder at least five million?

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By *abioMan 15 weeks ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"Murder rate in US falls by 20% in 2025 to 35 year low. What a terrible performance by the OG. "

Isn’t this the bit where you normally say Chicago and New York and LA are out of control even though their murders rates are down…

So you give all the credit to the president.. but none to the governors or mayors of cities?

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By (user no longer on site) 15 weeks ago


"Murder rate in US falls by 20% in 2025 to 35 year low. What a terrible performance by the OG.

Isn’t this the bit where you normally say Chicago and New York and LA are out of control even though their murders rates are down…

So you give all the credit to the president.. but none to the governors or mayors of cities? "

Facts don't lie Fabio.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple 15 weeks ago

in Lancashire


"Murder rate in US falls by 20% in 2025 to 35 year low. What a terrible performance by the OG.

Isn’t this the bit where you normally say Chicago and New York and LA are out of control even though their murders rates are down…

So you give all the credit to the president.. but none to the governors or mayors of cities?

Facts don't lie Fabio. "

And the facts are that trump has little direct impact upon crime in any state?

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By (user no longer on site) 15 weeks ago


"Murder rate in US falls by 20% in 2025 to 35 year low. What a terrible performance by the OG.

Isn’t this the bit where you normally say Chicago and New York and LA are out of control even though their murders rates are down…

So you give all the credit to the president.. but none to the governors or mayors of cities?

Facts don't lie Fabio.

And the facts are that trump has little direct impact upon crime in any state?

"

Using National Guard as in DC (40% cut there)

Massive cuts to illegal immigration at Southern border

Increased ICR arrests of violent criminals

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple 15 weeks ago

in Lancashire


"Murder rate in US falls by 20% in 2025 to 35 year low. What a terrible performance by the OG.

Isn’t this the bit where you normally say Chicago and New York and LA are out of control even though their murders rates are down…

So you give all the credit to the president.. but none to the governors or mayors of cities?

Facts don't lie Fabio.

And the facts are that trump has little direct impact upon crime in any state?

Using National Guard as in DC (40% cut there)

Massive cuts to illegal immigration at Southern border

Increased ICR arrests of violent criminals

"

He took office with crime nationally at a 60 year low..

Sending out ice to trawl anyone who looks south American and the subsequent protests ties up local law enforcement from doing their role..

Its propaganda to say ice are arresting violent criminals..

5 year olds?

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By *I TwoCouple 15 weeks ago

near enough


"Murder rate in US falls by 20% in 2025 to 35 year low. What a terrible performance by the OG.

Isn’t this the bit where you normally say Chicago and New York and LA are out of control even though their murders rates are down…

So you give all the credit to the president.. but none to the governors or mayors of cities?

Facts don't lie Fabio.

And the facts are that trump has little direct impact upon crime in any state?

Using National Guard as in DC (40% cut there)

Massive cuts to illegal immigration at Southern border

Increased ICR arrests of violent criminals

"

Who's paying ?

US government debt rose to US$38.4 trillion by the end of 2025, an increase of about US$2.23 trillion from a year earlier, according to the latest data from the US Congress Joint Economic Committee.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple 15 weeks ago

in Lancashire


"Murder rate in US falls by 20% in 2025 to 35 year low. What a terrible performance by the OG.

Isn’t this the bit where you normally say Chicago and New York and LA are out of control even though their murders rates are down…

So you give all the credit to the president.. but none to the governors or mayors of cities?

Facts don't lie Fabio.

And the facts are that trump has little direct impact upon crime in any state?

Using National Guard as in DC (40% cut there)

Massive cuts to illegal immigration at Southern border

Increased ICR arrests of violent criminals

Who's paying ?

US government debt rose to US$38.4 trillion by the end of 2025, an increase of about US$2.23 trillion from a year earlier, according to the latest data from the US Congress Joint Economic Committee."

And who benefits..

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By *otMe66Man 15 weeks ago

Terra Firma


"Murder rate in US falls by 20% in 2025 to 35 year low. What a terrible performance by the OG.

Isn’t this the bit where you normally say Chicago and New York and LA are out of control even though their murders rates are down…

So you give all the credit to the president.. but none to the governors or mayors of cities?

Facts don't lie Fabio.

And the facts are that trump has little direct impact upon crime in any state?

Using National Guard as in DC (40% cut there)

Massive cuts to illegal immigration at Southern border

Increased ICR arrests of violent criminals

He took office with crime nationally at a 60 year low..

Sending out ice to trawl anyone who looks south American and the subsequent protests ties up local law enforcement from doing their role..

Its propaganda to say ice are arresting violent criminals..

5 year olds?

"

How did they arrest a 5 year old? These stories tend to be warped towards narrative and spin.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple 15 weeks ago

in Lancashire


"Murder rate in US falls by 20% in 2025 to 35 year low. What a terrible performance by the OG.

Isn’t this the bit where you normally say Chicago and New York and LA are out of control even though their murders rates are down…

So you give all the credit to the president.. but none to the governors or mayors of cities?

Facts don't lie Fabio.

And the facts are that trump has little direct impact upon crime in any state?

Using National Guard as in DC (40% cut there)

Massive cuts to illegal immigration at Southern border

Increased ICR arrests of violent criminals

He took office with crime nationally at a 60 year low..

Sending out ice to trawl anyone who looks south American and the subsequent protests ties up local law enforcement from doing their role..

Its propaganda to say ice are arresting violent criminals..

5 year olds?

How did they arrest a 5 year old? These stories tend to be warped towards narrative and spin."

Its not the first child they've taken..

And this family has applied correctly at one of the access ports, have no criminal records..

Taking a 5 year old 1200 miles away to a detention camp might give some Maga a boner but its an awful look and a callous application..

They're using the children as bait and its not just this one little boy..

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple 15 weeks ago

in Lancashire


"We Love Trump MAGA "

A direct question to you (and anyone else praising Trump) if I may please?

Do you find his comments about our troops who served in support of America repulsive and not worthy of a President..?

The ones who paid the ultimate sacrifice and those who live daily with the life affecting consequences of being injured plus their loved ones..

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By *e-OptimistMan 15 weeks ago

Stalybridge


"Murder rate in US falls by 20% in 2025 to 35 year low. What a terrible performance by the OG.

Isn’t this the bit where you normally say Chicago and New York and LA are out of control even though their murders rates are down…

So you give all the credit to the president.. but none to the governors or mayors of cities?

Facts don't lie Fabio.

And the facts are that trump has little direct impact upon crime in any state?

Using National Guard as in DC (40% cut there)

Massive cuts to illegal immigration at Southern border

Increased ICR arrests of violent criminals

He took office with crime nationally at a 60 year low..

Sending out ice to trawl anyone who looks south American and the subsequent protests ties up local law enforcement from doing their role..

Its propaganda to say ice are arresting violent criminals..

5 year olds?

How did they arrest a 5 year old? These stories tend to be warped towards narrative and spin."

Like the White House recently altering the arrest photograph of a woman to show her crying and looking remorseful whereas the original and real photo shows an expression of defiance.

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By *e-OptimistMan 15 weeks ago

Stalybridge


"We Love Trump MAGA

A direct question to you (and anyone else praising Trump) if I may please?

Do you find his comments about our troops who served in support of America repulsive and not worthy of a President..?

The ones who paid the ultimate sacrifice and those who live daily with the life affecting consequences of being injured plus their loved ones..

"

The man is a disgrace and should not be allowed to hide behind the defence of bring senile. The King should refuse to visit and perhaps NATO members might consider boycotting the world Cup and Olympics.

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple 15 weeks ago

Border of London


"Washington DC 40% drop in murder rate after Trump employed National Guard there.

0% in Russia under Stalin, so he has a good target to aim for

Didn't Stalin murder at least five million?"

You mean he forcefully re-educated Nazi collaborators?

Zero murders.

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By *abioMan 15 weeks ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"

How did they arrest a 5 year old? These stories tend to be warped towards narrative and spin."

It is… the story was spun…. And then spun again by the vice president… and then more details came out

So the 5 year was not arrested as such

He was in the midst of being picked up by his father from school, ICE came to detain the father.. father fled scene

Bad dad vice president said…. End of story.. nothing else to see here

So what was left out by vice pres is that the boy was then picked up by other family members, taken home… I’ve followed them home where they then picked up father and to see if there were other illegals members of the family (there were not!) After father was detained at the home the family pleaded with ICE to leave 5yr old with them (for kids stability of life, going to school ect) and ICE refused

Within 24hrs of the incident they were quickly moved from Minnesota to Texas….

ICE are normally very very quick in these kind of cases to justify what they did and say why dad was detained, very bad man ect… this time they are awfully quiet, we know they were going through the immigration process but we don’t know what stage they were at

They are being accused of using the child as bait (because picking up from school) to get the dad

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By (user no longer on site) 15 weeks ago

I'm sure all those arrested by ICE are toddlers or cases of mistaken identity. I mean its not like there have been hundreds, if not 1000s, of murders, r@pes and other terrible crimes by illegal migrants, they're obviously all just picking tomatoes and packing bags at Walmart.🤣

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By (user no longer on site) 15 weeks ago

To be fair, crime was always going to fall once Joe Biden's son was given immunity from prosecution.

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By (user no longer on site) 15 weeks ago

"As of July 2024, there were 425,431 non-citizens with criminal convictions on ICE’s "non-detained docket" - a database of people facing deportation proceedings but who are not held in ICE custody.

Of these:

13,099 were convicted of homicide

15,811 were convicted of sexual assault

62,231 were convicted of assault."

The stats do not say how many of these are under 5.🤷

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By *otMe66Man 15 weeks ago

Terra Firma


"

How did they arrest a 5 year old? These stories tend to be warped towards narrative and spin.

It is… the story was spun…. And then spun again by the vice president… and then more details came out

So the 5 year was not arrested as such

He was in the midst of being picked up by his father from school, ICE came to detain the father.. father fled scene

Bad dad vice president said…. End of story.. nothing else to see here

So what was left out by vice pres is that the boy was then picked up by other family members, taken home… I’ve followed them home where they then picked up father and to see if there were other illegals members of the family (there were not!) After father was detained at the home the family pleaded with ICE to leave 5yr old with them (for kids stability of life, going to school ect) and ICE refused

Within 24hrs of the incident they were quickly moved from Minnesota to Texas….

ICE are normally very very quick in these kind of cases to justify what they did and say why dad was detained, very bad man ect… this time they are awfully quiet, we know they were going through the immigration process but we don’t know what stage they were at

They are being accused of using the child as bait (because picking up from school) to get the dad "

I have just read the story and to be honest I have no idea what the truth is. Every side is trying claim the truth, and I can't see how anyone can say one or the other is lying with any certainty.

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By *CExeCouple 15 weeks ago

Hong-Kong/Exeter

Love Trump. That none of the left whined when Obama was doing the exact same thing, and even deploying troops at the border to intercept illegal immigrants is telling. They're just using the ICE stuff as a tool to hit Trump.

I had a friend murderer and dismembered by a failed asylum seeker who should have been deported. Anyone who's entered the UK illegally should be deported. Chels is from HK and we know many people who've sought asylum legally. Those who enter unlawfully have nefarious intentions or no basis to claim asylum.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple 15 weeks ago

in Lancashire


"

How did they arrest a 5 year old? These stories tend to be warped towards narrative and spin.

It is… the story was spun…. And then spun again by the vice president… and then more details came out

So the 5 year was not arrested as such

He was in the midst of being picked up by his father from school, ICE came to detain the father.. father fled scene

Bad dad vice president said…. End of story.. nothing else to see here

So what was left out by vice pres is that the boy was then picked up by other family members, taken home… I’ve followed them home where they then picked up father and to see if there were other illegals members of the family (there were not!) After father was detained at the home the family pleaded with ICE to leave 5yr old with them (for kids stability of life, going to school ect) and ICE refused

Within 24hrs of the incident they were quickly moved from Minnesota to Texas….

ICE are normally very very quick in these kind of cases to justify what they did and say why dad was detained, very bad man ect… this time they are awfully quiet, we know they were going through the immigration process but we don’t know what stage they were at

They are being accused of using the child as bait (because picking up from school) to get the dad

I have just read the story and to be honest I have no idea what the truth is. Every side is trying claim the truth, and I can't see how anyone can say one or the other is lying with any certainty. "

If it was a one off then yes its a case of he said, she said but there been 4 in the same school district in one City that we know of so far..

For some that locking up 5 year olds is acceptable because the parents are south American even though they have lawfully applied is a sad indictment upon their own 'morals'..

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