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By *abio OP Man 9 weeks ago
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So their reaction to the by election defeat and blaming the Muslims for block voting…
Ban people from voting… so much for democracy!
They propose banning people from the commonwealth who have been here for 10 years (most likely to effect people from the Caribbean, and people from India and Pakistan for example) and people here who have indefinite leave to remain (ILR) from voting in elections ( all those EU people who stayed after Brexit)
Two of the blocks least likely to vote reform… what a coincidence!!!
They also want to restrict mail in voting… very trumpian!
Thoughts? |
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By (user no longer on site) 9 weeks ago
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"So their reaction to the by election defeat and blaming the Muslims for block voting…
Ban people from voting… so much for democracy!
They propose banning people from the commonwealth who have been here for 10 years (most likely to effect people from the Caribbean, and people from India and Pakistan for example) and people here who have indefinite leave to remain (ILR) from voting in elections ( all those EU people who stayed after Brexit)
Two of the blocks least likely to vote reform… what a coincidence!!!
They also want to restrict mail in voting… very trumpian!
Thoughts? "
I reckon no evidence of serious voter fraud will be found, and it’ll blow over. Farage and Tice will go quiet on the issue until the next time they lose a by-election. |
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By (user no longer on site) 9 weeks ago
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All good common sense ideas. I assume you know that Ireland and Commonwealth countries don't allow reciprocal voting so no idea why it happens here.
As for voter fraud, no surprise to see the left following the Democrats playbook and encouraging this wherever they can. |
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By (user no longer on site) 9 weeks ago
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"All good common sense ideas. I assume you know that Ireland and Commonwealth countries don't allow reciprocal voting so no idea why it happens here.
As for voter fraud, no surprise to see the left following the Democrats playbook and encouraging this wherever they can."
Who’s encouraging voter fraud? |
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By (user no longer on site) 9 weeks ago
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"All good common sense ideas. I assume you know that Ireland and Commonwealth countries don't allow reciprocal voting so no idea why it happens here.
As for voter fraud, no surprise to see the left following the Democrats playbook and encouraging this wherever they can.
Who’s encouraging voter fraud? "
The Labour and Green Parties.  |
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By (user no longer on site) 9 weeks ago
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"All good common sense ideas. I assume you know that Ireland and Commonwealth countries don't allow reciprocal voting so no idea why it happens here.
As for voter fraud, no surprise to see the left following the Democrats playbook and encouraging this wherever they can.
Who’s encouraging voter fraud?
The Labour and Green Parties. "
Must have missed those statements. |
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By (user no longer on site) 9 weeks ago
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"All good common sense ideas. I assume you know that Ireland and Commonwealth countries don't allow reciprocal voting so no idea why it happens here.
As for voter fraud, no surprise to see the left following the Democrats playbook and encouraging this wherever they can.
Who’s encouraging voter fraud?
The Labour and Green Parties.
Must have missed those statements."
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By (user no longer on site) 9 weeks ago
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Possibly the OP is also unaware that hardly any countries except the UK allow non nationals to vote in National elections. Not sure why it would be controversial to bring Britain into line with every other democracy? 🤷 |
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I've always had an issue with postal voting except for cases where it would be impossible to vote otherwise, as it's wide open for fraud. Anyone can choose a postal vote even if they can get to a polling station which doesn't feel right. |
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By (user no longer on site) 9 weeks ago
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"Possibly the OP is also unaware that hardly any countries except the UK allow non nationals to vote in National elections. Not sure why it would be controversial to bring Britain into line with every other democracy? 🤷"
Why scrap postal voting then? Generally western democracies are comfortable with it where necessary. |
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By (user no longer on site) 9 weeks ago
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"I've always had an issue with postal voting except for cases where it would be impossible to vote otherwise, as it's wide open for fraud. Anyone can choose a postal vote even if they can get to a polling station which doesn't feel right."
I’d allow online voting with correct protections in place. We’re meant to be a 21st century democracy. |
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By (user no longer on site) 9 weeks ago
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"Possibly the OP is also unaware that hardly any countries except the UK allow non nationals to vote in National elections. Not sure why it would be controversial to bring Britain into line with every other democracy? 🤷
Why scrap postal voting then? Generally western democracies are comfortable with it where necessary."
Reform are not proposing to scrap postal voting. |
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By (user no longer on site) 9 weeks ago
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"Possibly the OP is also unaware that hardly any countries except the UK allow non nationals to vote in National elections. Not sure why it would be controversial to bring Britain into line with every other democracy? 🤷
Why scrap postal voting then? Generally western democracies are comfortable with it where necessary.
Reform are not proposing to scrap postal voting."
‘Severely limit it’ though.
Don’t we want voting to be easier for all eligible? |
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By (user no longer on site) 9 weeks ago
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"Possibly the OP is also unaware that hardly any countries except the UK allow non nationals to vote in National elections. Not sure why it would be controversial to bring Britain into line with every other democracy? 🤷
Why scrap postal voting then? Generally western democracies are comfortable with it where necessary.
Reform are not proposing to scrap postal voting.
‘Severely limit it’ though.
Don’t we want voting to be easier for all eligible? "
If it is safe from abuse yes. |
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By (user no longer on site) 9 weeks ago
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"Possibly the OP is also unaware that hardly any countries except the UK allow non nationals to vote in National elections. Not sure why it would be controversial to bring Britain into line with every other democracy? 🤷
Why scrap postal voting then? Generally western democracies are comfortable with it where necessary.
Reform are not proposing to scrap postal voting.
‘Severely limit it’ though.
Don’t we want voting to be easier for all eligible? "
Voter turnout has fallen consistently over last 25 years with no evidence postal voting has helped- in Gorton turnout was less than 50%. The exception was the Brexit referendum which ironically is the one where those on the left objected most strongly to the process and outcome. |
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By (user no longer on site) 9 weeks ago
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"Possibly the OP is also unaware that hardly any countries except the UK allow non nationals to vote in National elections. Not sure why it would be controversial to bring Britain into line with every other democracy? 🤷
Why scrap postal voting then? Generally western democracies are comfortable with it where necessary.
Reform are not proposing to scrap postal voting.
‘Severely limit it’ though.
Don’t we want voting to be easier for all eligible?
If it is safe from abuse yes. "
Nobody would disagree with that. And there’s no evidence of wide-scale postal voting fraud. |
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By (user no longer on site) 9 weeks ago
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"there's no evidence for widespread voter fraud full stop
Agreed - it’s a bone that reform throw to its supporters "
The issue in Gorton was raised by independent observers authoritised by the Electoral commission, and an investigation has been supported by all parties. The attempt to discredit their work is pretty shabby. |
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By (user no longer on site) 9 weeks ago
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"there's no evidence for widespread voter fraud full stop
Agreed - it’s a bone that reform throw to its supporters
The issue in Gorton was raised by independent observers authoritised by the Electoral commission, and an investigation has been supported by all parties. The attempt to discredit their work is pretty shabby."
And there’s investigation will be rightly completed.
And when they find no evidence of fraud, Tice and Farage will be silent. |
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"there's no evidence for widespread voter fraud full stop
Agreed - it’s a bone that reform throw to its supporters "
it's the bone that reform and their fanboys ch0ke on every time they get completely battered at the polling booth 🇬🇧 |
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By (user no longer on site) 9 weeks ago
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"there's no evidence for widespread voter fraud full stop
Agreed - it’s a bone that reform throw to its supporters
it's the bone that reform and their fanboys ch0ke on every time they get completely battered at the polling booth 🇬🇧 "
Lol, doubling their vote is getting 'battered' 🤣 |
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By (user no longer on site) 9 weeks ago
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"there's no evidence for widespread voter fraud full stop
Agreed - it’s a bone that reform throw to its supporters
The issue in Gorton was raised by independent observers authoritised by the Electoral commission, and an investigation has been supported by all parties. The attempt to discredit their work is pretty shabby.
And there’s investigation will be rightly completed.
And when they find no evidence of fraud, Tice and Farage will be silent. "
It sounds like you know the result of the investigation already, surely you're not suggesting it may not be entirely thorough? 🤔 |
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"there's no evidence for widespread voter fraud full stop
Agreed - it’s a bone that reform throw to its supporters
it's the bone that reform and their fanboys ch0ke on every time they get completely battered at the polling booth 🇬🇧
Lol, doubling their vote is getting 'battered' 🤣 "
reform regularly losing at byelections is getting battered |
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By (user no longer on site) 9 weeks ago
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"there's no evidence for widespread voter fraud full stop
Agreed - it’s a bone that reform throw to its supporters
The issue in Gorton was raised by independent observers authoritised by the Electoral commission, and an investigation has been supported by all parties. The attempt to discredit their work is pretty shabby.
And there’s investigation will be rightly completed.
And when they find no evidence of fraud, Tice and Farage will be silent.
It sounds like you know the result of the investigation already, surely you're not suggesting it may not be entirely thorough? 🤔"
No, I just happen to understand that we’ve had allegations of voter fraud for many years now, and investigations have revealed nothing in General elections or by-elections, and only a few cases in local elections. Yet it draws large scale media reporting thanks to sore losers like Farage |
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"So their reaction to the by election defeat and blaming the Muslims for block voting…
Ban people from voting… so much for democracy!
They propose banning people from the commonwealth who have been here for 10 years (most likely to effect people from the Caribbean, and people from India and Pakistan for example) and people here who have indefinite leave to remain (ILR) from voting in elections ( all those EU people who stayed after Brexit)
Two of the blocks least likely to vote reform… what a coincidence!!!
They also want to restrict mail in voting… very trumpian!
Thoughts? "
I believe the Greens won handsomely and gave Labour a bloody nose that they deserved. The winning margin was significant so if there was any wrongdoing in the process I doubt it will change the outcome. All that said, there has been reports of wrongdoing which should be checked thoroughly as this is our democracy at risk. It's the process that needs protecting not the result. Surely it's correct to report any concerns to the relevant people, is it not? Or should it be swept under the carpet ? If Reform had won and there was reports of wrongdoing would you not want that checked? For me a good outcome would be no problems found. In reference to ban people from voting, well there is the government that until forced, was trying to do exactly that |
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By (user no longer on site) 9 weeks ago
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"In reference to ban people from voting, well there is the government that until forced, was trying to do exactly that"
No they weren’t. Postponing local elections under specific circumstances (realignment/reorganisation) is not ‘banning voting’
It’s happened before (including under the Tories in 2021) and it will happen again. |
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By (user no longer on site) 9 weeks ago
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"So their reaction to the by election defeat and blaming the Muslims for block voting…
Ban people from voting… so much for democracy!
They propose banning people from the commonwealth who have been here for 10 years (most likely to effect people from the Caribbean, and people from India and Pakistan for example) and people here who have indefinite leave to remain (ILR) from voting in elections ( all those EU people who stayed after Brexit)
Two of the blocks least likely to vote reform… what a coincidence!!!
They also want to restrict mail in voting… very trumpian!
Thoughts?
I believe the Greens won handsomely and gave Labour a bloody nose that they deserved. The winning margin was significant so if there was any wrongdoing in the process I doubt it will change the outcome. All that said, there has been reports of wrongdoing which should be checked thoroughly as this is our democracy at risk. It's the process that needs protecting not the result. Surely it's correct to report any concerns to the relevant people, is it not? Or should it be swept under the carpet ? If Reform had won and there was reports of wrongdoing would you not want that checked? For me a good outcome would be no problems found. In reference to ban people from voting, well there is the government that until forced, was trying to do exactly that"
Very good point! And of course it was Reform who took the case to court and forced Govt to hold elections |
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"So their reaction to the by election defeat and blaming the Muslims for block voting…
Ban people from voting… so much for democracy!
They propose banning people from the commonwealth who have been here for 10 years (most likely to effect people from the Caribbean, and people from India and Pakistan for example) and people here who have indefinite leave to remain (ILR) from voting in elections ( all those EU people who stayed after Brexit)"
Can we get a link to a news story, or at least some quotes, so that we can find what you're talking about. |
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Let's always remember that a key point of policy about doing a bit of Brexiting was that "we will forge stronger bonds with our brothers and sisters of The Commonwealth" or words to that effect.
There's short memory syndrome at work here. Everyone was grumpy and humpy about EU citizens taking all the important but grim/ poorly paid jobs over here that Brits didn't fancy doing, so that was kicked into touch in favour of stronger economic ties with former colonies.
And now people are getting equally grumpy and humpy about the direct consequences of their own political choices. 🤷
Frankly, if you're contributing with your sweat, time and taxes to keeping the UK on something approaching an even keel, then you deserve a say in the management team at the top. |
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By (user no longer on site) 9 weeks ago
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Frankly, if you're contributing with your sweat, time and taxes to keeping the UK on something approaching an even keel, then you deserve a say in the management team at the top."
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Can we get a link to a news story, or at least some quotes, so that we can find what you're talking about."
Sure, here's the ft www dot ft dot com/content/743da6fd-851e-48da-a02b-9e8ee6db6464
Also reported by the Metro, LBC, GB News.
Nigel Farage "vows", no less  |
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By (user no longer on site) 9 weeks ago
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"Let's always remember that a key point of policy about doing a bit of Brexiting was that "we will forge stronger bonds with our brothers and sisters of The Commonwealth" or words to that effect.
There's short memory syndrome at work here. Everyone was grumpy and humpy about EU citizens taking all the important but grim/ poorly paid jobs over here that Brits didn't fancy doing, so that was kicked into touch in favour of stronger economic ties with former colonies.
And now people are getting equally grumpy and humpy about the direct consequences of their own political choices. 🤷
Frankly, if you're contributing with your sweat, time and taxes to keeping the UK on something approaching an even keel, then you deserve a say in the management team at the top."
I don't quite understand the connection between this and the subject. Some Commonwealth citizens (about 1.2m currently) have had the vote for decades so nothing at all to do with Brexit. British citizens resident in these countries like India and Pakistan don't have reciprocal rights, and almost no other countries allow non nationals to vote in National elections so not sure why applying the same here would be at all controversial. |
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I don't quite understand the connection between this and the subject. Some Commonwealth citizens (about 1.2m currently) have had the vote for decades so nothing at all to do with Brexit. British citizens resident in these countries like India and Pakistan don't have reciprocal rights, and almost no other countries allow non nationals to vote in National elections so not sure why applying the same here would be at all controversial. "
Mainly that the current newsworthiness of the issue comes from a "brown people bad" stance.
Who's to say that the UK system isn't the exemplar that other countries should adopt?
We (UK) have a incredibly deep link with other nations who often still have somewhat of that "Mother Country" view of this funny little island.
It's remarkable given there's been decades of independence, but then I guess we've often been instrumental in creating their constitutions, their political, educational and judicial systems. |
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By (user no longer on site) 9 weeks ago
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I don't quite understand the connection between this and the subject. Some Commonwealth citizens (about 1.2m currently) have had the vote for decades so nothing at all to do with Brexit. British citizens resident in these countries like India and Pakistan don't have reciprocal rights, and almost no other countries allow non nationals to vote in National elections so not sure why applying the same here would be at all controversial.
Mainly that the current newsworthiness of the issue comes from a "brown people bad" stance.
Who's to say that the UK system isn't the exemplar that other countries should adopt?
We (UK) have a incredibly deep link with other nations who often still have somewhat of that "Mother Country" view of this funny little island.
It's remarkable given there's been decades of independence, but then I guess we've often been instrumental in creating their constitutions, their political, educational and judicial systems."
I’d certainly argue that an immigrant coming here and settling has more interest in a general election than an ex-pat (or immigrant to use the correct term) living abroad who can still apply for a vote. |
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By (user no longer on site) 9 weeks ago
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I don't quite understand the connection between this and the subject. Some Commonwealth citizens (about 1.2m currently) have had the vote for decades so nothing at all to do with Brexit. British citizens resident in these countries like India and Pakistan don't have reciprocal rights, and almost no other countries allow non nationals to vote in National elections so not sure why applying the same here would be at all controversial.
Mainly that the current newsworthiness of the issue comes from a "brown people bad" stance.
Who's to say that the UK system isn't the exemplar that other countries should adopt?
We (UK) have a incredibly deep link with other nations who often still have somewhat of that "Mother Country" view of this funny little island.
It's remarkable given there's been decades of independence, but then I guess we've often been instrumental in creating their constitutions, their political, educational and judicial systems."
That would make sense if the voting rights were reciprocal, a sign as you say of historical relations. However where it is one way that argument rather falls apart, in fact it appears a little patronising at a time when people on the left are generally contemptuous of imperial history and hangovers. |
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"So their reaction to the by election defeat and blaming the Muslims for block voting…
Ban people from voting… so much for democracy!
They propose banning people from the commonwealth who have been here for 10 years (most likely to effect people from the Caribbean, and people from India and Pakistan for example) and people here who have indefinite leave to remain (ILR) from voting in elections ( all those EU people who stayed after Brexit)
Two of the blocks least likely to vote reform… what a coincidence!!!
They also want to restrict mail in voting… very trumpian!
Thoughts?
I believe the Greens won handsomely and gave Labour a bloody nose that they deserved. The winning margin was significant so if there was any wrongdoing in the process I doubt it will change the outcome. All that said, there has been reports of wrongdoing which should be checked thoroughly as this is our democracy at risk. It's the process that needs protecting not the result. Surely it's correct to report any concerns to the relevant people, is it not? Or should it be swept under the carpet ? If Reform had won and there was reports of wrongdoing would you not want that checked? For me a good outcome would be no problems found. In reference to ban people from voting, well there is the government that until forced, was trying to do exactly that
Very good point! And of course it was Reform who took the case to court and forced Govt to hold elections "
Yes I believe it was them that planned to take it to court. In this situation of the family voting, I hope it's unfounded. Not sure why reporting it so it can be investigated is a problem for some. I suspect if it was the other way around then those same people would want it checked out |
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"All good common sense ideas. I assume you know that Ireland and Commonwealth countries don't allow reciprocal voting so no idea why it happens here.
As for voter fraud, no surprise to see the left following the Democrats playbook and encouraging this wherever they can.
Who’s encouraging voter fraud? "
Some bloke going by the name "Tall Stories ".... |
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By (user no longer on site) 9 weeks ago
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"All good common sense ideas. I assume you know that Ireland and Commonwealth countries don't allow reciprocal voting so no idea why it happens here.
As for voter fraud, no surprise to see the left following the Democrats playbook and encouraging this wherever they can.
Who’s encouraging voter fraud?
Some bloke going by the name "Tall Stories ".... "
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"So their reaction to the by election defeat and blaming the Muslims for block voting…
Ban people from voting… so much for democracy!
They propose banning people from the commonwealth who have been here for 10 years (most likely to effect people from the Caribbean, and people from India and Pakistan for example) and people here who have indefinite leave to remain (ILR) from voting in elections ( all those EU people who stayed after Brexit)
Two of the blocks least likely to vote reform… what a coincidence!!!
They also want to restrict mail in voting… very trumpian!
Thoughts? "
How meny other countries allow now nationals to vote in national elections?
Even the commonwealth countries you are talking about do not reciprocate the voting rights we give to people that originated there now living over here... |
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By *ony 2016Man 9 weeks ago
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"Possibly the OP is also unaware that hardly any countries except the UK allow non nationals to vote in National elections. Not sure why it would be controversial to bring Britain into line with every other democracy? 🤷
Why scrap postal voting then? Generally western democracies are comfortable with it where necessary.
Reform are not proposing to scrap postal voting."
So reform are unhappy about 2 members of a family stood in a polling booth together while voting but are OK with the same 2 people being sat at their kitchen table while completing their postal vote |
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By (user no longer on site) 9 weeks ago
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"Possibly the OP is also unaware that hardly any countries except the UK allow non nationals to vote in National elections. Not sure why it would be controversial to bring Britain into line with every other democracy? 🤷
Why scrap postal voting then? Generally western democracies are comfortable with it where necessary.
Reform are not proposing to scrap postal voting.
So reform are unhappy about 2 members of a family stood in a polling booth together while voting but are OK with the same 2 people being sat at their kitchen table while completing their postal vote "
No, they want to restrict postal voting to those who physically cannot vote in person. |
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"Possibly the OP is also unaware that hardly any countries except the UK allow non nationals to vote in National elections. Not sure why it would be controversial to bring Britain into line with every other democracy? 🤷
Why scrap postal voting then? Generally western democracies are comfortable with it where necessary.
Reform are not proposing to scrap postal voting.
So reform are unhappy about 2 members of a family stood in a polling booth together while voting but are OK with the same 2 people being sat at their kitchen table while completing their postal vote
No, they want to restrict postal voting to those who physically cannot vote in person."
The elderly and disabled was what reform said - but they also want to look at benefits and changing qualifications so what ‘disabled’ will mean to reform, only time will tell. |
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"One group I'd ban from voting in the UK is those that have moved abroad to live, especially those that have moved to spend more time with their money"
Why?
Spent 35 years paying NI contributions.
Will receive UK pension which is taxable in UK.
Last part is risible...spend more time with our money...you think it's in a suitcase under the bed and I take it out and look at it every night?
Actually it's in Malta.. transferred to keep it in EU after people with an IQ smaller than their shoe size voted for Brexit. |
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"I suspect if it was the other way around then those same people would want it checked out
All three leading parties have welcomed an investigation "
Yes and that's good. I was more talking about individuals and some commentators I hear on radio etc. The title of this thread is an example |
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"So their reaction to the by election defeat and blaming the Muslims for block voting…
Ban people from voting… so much for democracy!
They propose banning people from the commonwealth who have been here for 10 years (most likely to effect people from the Caribbean, and people from India and Pakistan for example) and people here who have indefinite leave to remain (ILR) from voting in elections ( all those EU people who stayed after Brexit)
Two of the blocks least likely to vote reform… what a coincidence!!!
They also want to restrict mail in voting… very trumpian!
Thoughts? "
This misses so many things. I come from a commonwealth country and the right for people from commonwealth countries to vote is stupid.
If you are from a commonwealth country, you don't even have to wait till ILR. If you have a work visa, you will get a right to vote. I was here only for about 3 months and I already had the right to vote in the general elections.
It's a totally fair ask to expect people to get citizenship before giving them right to vote. If all immigrants should be given right to vote, why stop with commonwealth countries? Maybe we should allow all the American immigrants to vote too? Should be great news for Trump and Musk. |
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"So their reaction to the by election defeat and blaming the Muslims for block voting…
Ban people from voting… so much for democracy!
They propose banning people from the commonwealth who have been here for 10 years (most likely to effect people from the Caribbean, and people from India and Pakistan for example) and people here who have indefinite leave to remain (ILR) from voting in elections ( all those EU people who stayed after Brexit)
Two of the blocks least likely to vote reform… what a coincidence!!!
They also want to restrict mail in voting… very trumpian!
Thoughts? "
I have German residency and UK passport. My residency is well over 10 years.
Before Brexit I could vote in local but not national elections. Since Brexit I cannot vote at all other than for a foreigners liason representative.
As a house owner I have no vote in Spain but Mrs (German) can vote in local elections through EU rules.
I've lived outside of the UK for over 15 years so have no vote there either.
Why should the UK be any different? |
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By (user no longer on site) 9 weeks ago
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"Ban people from voting… so much for democracy!
Thoughts? "
My thoughts are you should post your source of this allegation.
The only party I’m aware of that has tried to ban people from voting is the current government. Until it was pointed out that their actions were illegal. Not seen any prosecutions as yet. But I guess conspiracy to commit treason is perfectly legal for a leftie? |
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By (user no longer on site) 9 weeks ago
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"Ban people from voting… so much for democracy!
Thoughts?
My thoughts are you should post your source of this allegation.
The only party I’m aware of that has tried to ban people from voting is the current government. Until it was pointed out that their actions were illegal. Not seen any prosecutions as yet. But I guess conspiracy to commit treason is perfectly legal for a leftie? "
Well if you consider postponing local elections during reorganisation as ‘Banning voting’ then Labour certainly aren’t the only party do it, and it’s happened previously even in this decade. |
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"So their reaction to the by election defeat and blaming the Muslims for block voting…
Ban people from voting… so much for democracy!
They propose banning people from the commonwealth who have been here for 10 years (most likely to effect people from the Caribbean, and people from India and Pakistan for example) and people here who have indefinite leave to remain (ILR) from voting in elections ( all those EU people who stayed after Brexit)
Two of the blocks least likely to vote reform… what a coincidence!!!
They also want to restrict mail in voting… very trumpian!
Thoughts?
I have German residency and UK passport. My residency is well over 10 years.
Before Brexit I could vote in local but not national elections. Since Brexit I cannot vote at all other than for a foreigners liason representative.
As a house owner I have no vote in Spain but Mrs (German) can vote in local elections through EU rules.
I've lived outside of the UK for over 15 years so have no vote there either.
Why should the UK be any different?"
I think it’s more about who people might potentially vote for than anything else. The left want to include as many potential supporters as possible in the pool. They will probably try to stop people over 70 from voting soon as they are more likely to vote for a right of centre party. That’s probably why they took the heating allowance away, hoping they might die or be too ill to get to the voting booth.
Like Starmer giving the vote to 16 and 17 year olds. I wonder if now that it looks more likely those people will vote Green, he’ll do his 20th u-turn.
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"So their reaction to the by election defeat and blaming the Muslims for block voting…
Ban people from voting… so much for democracy!
They propose banning people from the commonwealth who have been here for 10 years (most likely to effect people from the Caribbean, and people from India and Pakistan for example) and people here who have indefinite leave to remain (ILR) from voting in elections ( all those EU people who stayed after Brexit)
Two of the blocks least likely to vote reform… what a coincidence!!!
They also want to restrict mail in voting… very trumpian!
Thoughts?
I have German residency and UK passport. My residency is well over 10 years.
Before Brexit I could vote in local but not national elections. Since Brexit I cannot vote at all other than for a foreigners liason representative.
As a house owner I have no vote in Spain but Mrs (German) can vote in local elections through EU rules.
I've lived outside of the UK for over 15 years so have no vote there either.
Why should the UK be any different?
I think it’s more about who people might potentially vote for than anything else.
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What do you think was going on when the Tories redrew election boundaries? Why do you think the left are more guilty of gerrymandering than the right? |
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"All good common sense ideas. I assume you know that Ireland and Commonwealth countries don't allow reciprocal voting so no idea why it happens here.
As for voter fraud, no surprise to see the left following the Democrats playbook and encouraging this wherever they can.
Who’s encouraging voter fraud?
The Labour and Green Parties.
Must have missed those statements.
No worries. "
Don’t worry mate, a leftie has told me today that you don’t need evidence anymore, you can just make whatever claims you want.
So I think it’s safe to say when the greens and labour knocked on doors, they told the men of the house that they can make their women vote for the party they support, and in fact it was their duty as a man to do so. 😊 |
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"So their reaction to the by election defeat and blaming the Muslims for block voting…
Ban people from voting… so much for democracy!
They propose banning people from the commonwealth who have been here for 10 years (most likely to effect people from the Caribbean, and people from India and Pakistan for example) and people here who have indefinite leave to remain (ILR) from voting in elections ( all those EU people who stayed after Brexit)
Two of the blocks least likely to vote reform… what a coincidence!!!
They also want to restrict mail in voting… very trumpian!
Thoughts?
I believe the Greens won handsomely and gave Labour a bloody nose that they deserved. The winning margin was significant so if there was any wrongdoing in the process I doubt it will change the outcome. All that said, there has been reports of wrongdoing which should be checked thoroughly as this is our democracy at risk. It's the process that needs protecting not the result. Surely it's correct to report any concerns to the relevant people, is it not? Or should it be swept under the carpet ? If Reform had won and there was reports of wrongdoing would you not want that checked? For me a good outcome would be no problems found. In reference to ban people from voting, well there is the government that until forced, was trying to do exactly that
Very good point! And of course it was Reform who took the case to court and forced Govt to hold elections "
No, they didn't |
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"So their reaction to the by election defeat and blaming the Muslims for block voting…
Ban people from voting… so much for democracy!
They propose banning people from the commonwealth who have been here for 10 years (most likely to effect people from the Caribbean, and people from India and Pakistan for example) and people here who have indefinite leave to remain (ILR) from voting in elections ( all those EU people who stayed after Brexit)
Two of the blocks least likely to vote reform… what a coincidence!!!
They also want to restrict mail in voting… very trumpian!
Thoughts?
I believe the Greens won handsomely and gave Labour a bloody nose that they deserved. The winning margin was significant so if there was any wrongdoing in the process I doubt it will change the outcome. All that said, there has been reports of wrongdoing which should be checked thoroughly as this is our democracy at risk. It's the process that needs protecting not the result. Surely it's correct to report any concerns to the relevant people, is it not? Or should it be swept under the carpet ? If Reform had won and there was reports of wrongdoing would you not want that checked? For me a good outcome would be no problems found. In reference to ban people from voting, well there is the government that until forced, was trying to do exactly that
Very good point! And of course it was Reform who took the case to court and forced Govt to hold elections
No, they didn't "
That's true, it never actually got to court. Reform did launch a legal challenge which was scheduled to be heard in court but the government abandoned their plans when their legal advise said it could be unlawful. I suppose you could argue that if Reform had not launched this legal action and no one else did, then the original plans on the elections would have been implemented |
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"And of course it was Reform who took the case to court and forced Govt to hold elections"
"No, they didn't"
"That's true, it never actually got to court. Reform did launch a legal challenge which was scheduled to be heard in court but the government abandoned their plans when their legal advise said it could be unlawful."
Technically - Reform made out the case and delivered it to the court (i.e. they filed the paperwork). The case was never heard as the government gave in straight away, but the words "Reform took the case to court" are accurate. |
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"And of course it was Reform who took the case to court and forced Govt to hold elections
No, they didn't
That's true, it never actually got to court. Reform did launch a legal challenge which was scheduled to be heard in court but the government abandoned their plans when their legal advise said it could be unlawful.
Technically - Reform made out the case and delivered it to the court (i.e. they filed the paperwork). The case was never heard as the government gave in straight away, but the words "Reform took the case to court" are accurate."
The Govt paid Reform over 100k in court cost. |
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