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"I dont have couples down on my looking for because im not bisexual so would be a pretty poor addition. But i see lots and lots of "hotwife" profiles or the dynamic for bi threesomes. Do hot husbands exist? As in they play solo then return home to there other half? Genuinely interested as i have never come across this? Sounds a pretty hot idea, but could just be that i need a big lady wank who knows " Yes but it’s deciding between who is a hot husband and who is a cheat  | |||
"Sure there are male half of couples playing solo not sure if my Mrs would be up for it though lol " Yeah that was sort of my point. Seems to be a high number of males happy for the wife to play but not so much the other way. No issue with either way, everyone does what works for them. Was just curious  | |||
"I dont have couples down on my looking for because im not bisexual so would be a pretty poor addition. But i see lots and lots of "hotwife" profiles or the dynamic for bi threesomes. Do hot husbands exist? As in they play solo then return home to there other half? Genuinely interested as i have never come across this? Sounds a pretty hot idea, but could just be that i need a big lady wank who knows " It does exist, I have a bit of a kink for this. Love seeing my husband with another woman but wouldnt necessarily want him off on his own. Knowing someone else finds my husband attractive and he is pleasing them makes me hot 🔥🥵. But seeing it is far more pleasing for me. Also, I love getting involved too because im a filthy gay bird that loves her husband x P.s . Not really gay but bi x Mrs x | |||
"I dont have couples down on my looking for because im not bisexual so would be a pretty poor addition. But i see lots and lots of "hotwife" profiles or the dynamic for bi threesomes. Do hot husbands exist? As in they play solo then return home to there other half? Genuinely interested as i have never come across this? Sounds a pretty hot idea, but could just be that i need a big lady wank who knows Yes but it’s deciding between who is a hot husband and who is a cheat "Would be no different to meeting anyone else tbh will you ever truly know? At some point you have to trust there being honest dont you | |||
"Sure there are male half of couples playing solo not sure if my Mrs would be up for it though lol Yeah that was sort of my point. Seems to be a high number of males happy for the wife to play but not so much the other way. No issue with either way, everyone does what works for them. Was just curious "I’d be happy for her to play solo but only with trusted guys just chatted to her she would be same I have played solo at clubs time or two in past | |||
"Sure there are male half of couples playing solo not sure if my Mrs would be up for it though lol Yeah that was sort of my point. Seems to be a high number of males happy for the wife to play but not so much the other way. No issue with either way, everyone does what works for them. Was just curious
I’d be happy for her to play solo but only with trusted guys just chatted to her she would be same I have played solo at clubs time or two in past "Yeah that makes sense | |||
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"Yep, it exists. Works to varying degrees. I'm friends with a beautiful hothusband (and his wife). It's not as common as hotwifeing. Sadly. Some men meet solo - might be the wife is a cuckquean and enjoys videos/photos or maybe she just enjoys her partner having a good time. I prefer meeting hothusbands without their wives because... if I wanted a threesome I'd have one. Easily. "Yeah thats how i feel. Im not bi so wouldnt be interested in meeting with the wife. But interesting to know they do exist | |||
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"Sounds amazing xx" Doesnt seem that popular. | |||
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"It's a interesting scenario for sure. It's why we are actually on Fab as I wanted to see hubby with another lady. Hotwifing is such a popular kink, but can't quite understand why Hothusbanding is not as popular?? I certainly like to watch him with another woman knowing how good it feels, but there is a certain trend that wives aren't quite as keen to let their Hothusbands loose alone xx" Yeah it seems to be the trend for sure x | |||
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"We started off only seeing couples and its a bloody nightmare. So now we do our own thing solo. Socials and hotel meets before heading home and returning. Its a great feeling and allows you to be more specific of the people you wish to meet. Mrs. " I can imagine how difficult it is trying to get 4 people in a room who are all attracted to each other/want the same things so that makes sense | |||
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"We started off only seeing couples and its a bloody nightmare. So now we do our own thing solo. Socials and hotel meets before heading home and returning. Its a great feeling and allows you to be more specific of the people you wish to meet. Mrs. I can imagine how difficult it is trying to get 4 people in a room who are all attracted to each other/want the same things so that makes sense "Exactly that, there's always something that doesn't feel quite right. So many people that do couples suggest occasionally you take one for the team to please the other. We've never done it, but it turned my stomach to hear it. Mrs. | |||
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"We started off only seeing couples and its a bloody nightmare. So now we do our own thing solo. Socials and hotel meets before heading home and returning. Its a great feeling and allows you to be more specific of the people you wish to meet. Mrs. I can imagine how difficult it is trying to get 4 people in a room who are all attracted to each other/want the same things so that makes sense
Exactly that, there's always something that doesn't feel quite right.
So many people that do couples suggest occasionally you take one for the team to please the other. We've never done it, but it turned my stomach to hear it.
Mrs. "This! Hate that people "take one for the team" makes me feel sick. We are both lucky that we have similar taste in women and are attracted to the same things. Makes that impossible search for single bi women a little less impossible x Mrs x | |||
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"Hi 👋 B" I was about to mention you 😍 I would say that he’s genuinely more in demand as a hothusband than us as a couple. And yes, it’s all with my delighted approval 🤩 | |||
"She wouldn't want me to go on my own to see someone (and neither would I want to) but is very happy to sit back and just watch " Yeah this seems to be mostly the case. That wouldnt be for me but can understand it | |||
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"Its incredibly common from what we've seen that couples are fine letting the female half fly solo but the man isn't allowed, feels very one sided. We both do our thing solo, no secrets, no insecurities.....and we always go home afterwards. " Yeah i agree. | |||
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"I have met 2 husbands. One by himself and the other one with his wife in the room watching." Which scenario did you prefer? | |||
"I have met 2 husbands. One by himself and the other one with his wife in the room watching." I dont think being watched is for me | |||
"I have met 2 husbands. One by himself and the other one with his wife in the room watching. I dont think being watched is for me " You would look amazing though what puts you off? | |||
"I have met 2 husbands. One by himself and the other one with his wife in the room watching. I dont think being watched is for me You would look amazing though what puts you off? " Im just not into someone being sat in the room watching me it would put me off | |||
"I have met 2 husbands. One by himself and the other one with his wife in the room watching. I dont think being watched is for me You would look amazing though what puts you off? Im just not into someone being sat in the room watching me it would put me off" But once you were into it you might forget they were there. You would look amazing to watch though xx | |||
"I have met 2 husbands. One by himself and the other one with his wife in the room watching. I dont think being watched is for me You would look amazing though what puts you off? Im just not into someone being sat in the room watching me it would put me off But once you were into it you might forget they were there. You would look amazing to watch though xx" Id rather just enjoy the moment with the person im having sex with .
Thats why i asked because it seems the most times the male half is allowed to play its with the woman in the room watching.
Apart from the few exceptions on the thread x | |||
"I have met 2 husbands. One by himself and the other one with his wife in the room watching. I dont think being watched is for me You would look amazing though what puts you off? Im just not into someone being sat in the room watching me it would put me off" You definitely aren't alone. I wouldn't even consider letting someone watch, it feels kind of weird to me. I'd find it a real mood kill, like I was being monitored on my performance.  | |||
"I have met 2 husbands. One by himself and the other one with his wife in the room watching. I dont think being watched is for me You would look amazing though what puts you off? Im just not into someone being sat in the room watching me it would put me off You definitely aren't alone. I wouldn't even consider letting someone watch, it feels kind of weird to me. I'd find it a real mood kill, like I was being monitored on my performance. "Exactly this and i dont like those power dynamics either i would feel like a toy being used for the amusement of the couple which is not the dynamic im looking for. | |||
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"I dont have couples down on my looking for because im not bisexual so would be a pretty poor addition. But i see lots and lots of "hotwife" profiles or the dynamic for bi threesomes. Do hot husbands exist? As in they play solo then return home to there other half? Genuinely interested as i have never come across this? Sounds a pretty hot idea, but could just be that i need a big lady wank who knows " Yeah there are some of us 😁 | |||
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"I have some 'cuckquean' tendancies, we've talked alot about it and ultimately we've both done our 'single' experiences prior to getting together. We get more of a thrill watching each other in the act, so solo isn't for us.. but I very much enjoy watching him be a hothusband in person with another female 😍" That sounds amazing, what turns you on about watching him with another lady x | |||
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"Mines does "How was it the first time you saw him inside another woman | |||
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How was it the first time you saw him inside another woman "Sorry had to jump in when I first saw hubby enter her my pussy literaly twitched and contracted as I knew exactly how she felt and that first moan she let out....oh my god!! I gasped with her....such a hot experience xxx | |||
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How was it the first time you saw him inside another woman
Sorry had to jump in when I first saw hubby enter her my pussy literaly twitched and contracted as I knew exactly how she felt and that first moan she let out....oh my god!! I gasped with her....such a hot experience xxx"That is so sexy bet you couldn’t wait for him to cum in her, was she a friend x | |||
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"It was someone we both got to know quite well xx" God this is sexy bet he made her happy x | |||
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"Love seeing my husband please another woman, I'll sit and watch for a while but love joining in too x So hot!! 😈 Mrs x" So if you join in does he save his cum for you x | |||
"That sounds amazing, what turns you on about watching him with another lady x" He's my biggest turn on, so I love seeing him horny, his expressions, watching him in action from an angle I can't see him in while he's with me. The way he's still always thinking about me throughout giving me a naughty look or wanting to still have a hand on me or my lips on his at the same time. I also know how good he is with his hands and how good his cock feels so I like to see how she reacts 😍 | |||
"That sounds amazing, what turns you on about watching him with another lady x He's my biggest turn on, so I love seeing him horny, his expressions, watching him in action from an angle I can't see him in while he's with me. The way he's still always thinking about me throughout giving me a naughty look or wanting to still have a hand on me or my lips on his at the same time. I also know how good he is with his hands and how good his cock feels so I like to see how she reacts 😍" God that is so nice and sexy x | |||
"Love seeing my husband please another woman, I'll sit and watch for a while but love joining in too x So hot!! 😈 Mrs x So if you join in does he save his cum for you x" He does if I ask, I dont mind sharing though xx but I do love his cum on my face. I generally get to choose where he cums unless I can see he is really turned on then I let him cum wherever he wants. He does tend to save that privilege for me though x Mrs x | |||
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"That sounds amazing, what turns you on about watching him with another lady x He's my biggest turn on, so I love seeing him horny, his expressions, watching him in action from an angle I can't see him in while he's with me. The way he's still always thinking about me throughout giving me a naughty look or wanting to still have a hand on me or my lips on his at the same time. I also know how good he is with his hands and how good his cock feels so I like to see how she reacts 😍" This is Everything! Sums up how i feel seeing my husband in action too. Perfection 👌 x Mrs x | |||
"Love seeing my husband please another woman, I'll sit and watch for a while but love joining in too x So hot!! 😈 Mrs x So if you join in does he save his cum for you x He does if I ask, I dont mind sharing though xx but I do love his cum on my face. I generally get to choose where he cums unless I can see he is really turned on then I let him cum wherever he wants. He does tend to save that privilege for me though x Mrs x" Do you like it when he does give his cum to another woman x | |||
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"Love seeing my husband please another woman, I'll sit and watch for a while but love joining in too x So hot!! 😈 Mrs x So if you join in does he save his cum for you x He does if I ask, I dont mind sharing though xx but I do love his cum on my face. I generally get to choose where he cums unless I can see he is really turned on then I let him cum wherever he wants. He does tend to save that privilege for me though x Mrs x Do you like it when he does give his cum to another woman x" Sometimes, but i get it mostly so i dont mind sharing Mrs x | |||
"Love seeing my husband please another woman, I'll sit and watch for a while but love joining in too x So hot!! 😈 Mrs x So if you join in does he save his cum for you x He does if I ask, I dont mind sharing though xx but I do love his cum on my face. I generally get to choose where he cums unless I can see he is really turned on then I let him cum wherever he wants. He does tend to save that privilege for me though x Mrs x Do you like it when he does give his cum to another woman x Sometimes, but i get it mostly so i dont mind sharing Mrs x" God this really turns me on for some reason x | |||
"Love seeing my husband please another woman, I'll sit and watch for a while but love joining in too x So hot!! 😈 Mrs x So if you join in does he save his cum for you x He does if I ask, I dont mind sharing though xx but I do love his cum on my face. I generally get to choose where he cums unless I can see he is really turned on then I let him cum wherever he wants. He does tend to save that privilege for me though x Mrs x Do you like it when he does give his cum to another woman x Sometimes, but i get it mostly so i dont mind sharing Mrs x God this really turns me on for some reason x" You need a wife like me Mrs x | |||
"Love seeing my husband please another woman, I'll sit and watch for a while but love joining in too x So hot!! 😈 Mrs x So if you join in does he save his cum for you x He does if I ask, I dont mind sharing though xx but I do love his cum on my face. I generally get to choose where he cums unless I can see he is really turned on then I let him cum wherever he wants. He does tend to save that privilege for me though x Mrs x Do you like it when he does give his cum to another woman x Sometimes, but i get it mostly so i dont mind sharing Mrs x God this really turns me on for some reason x You need a wife like me Mrs x" Oh god yes please you would be my fantasy x | |||
" This is Everything! Sums up how i feel seeing my husband in action too. Perfection 👌 x Mrs x" So hot isn't it! I can't wait to get my hands back on him! x | |||
" This is Everything! Sums up how i feel seeing my husband in action too. Perfection 👌 x Mrs x So hot isn't it! I can't wait to get my hands back on him! x" Can I watch  | |||
" This is Everything! Sums up how i feel seeing my husband in action too. Perfection 👌 x Mrs x So hot isn't it! I can't wait to get my hands back on him! x" The reclaim sex is amazing, knowing he is mine and he wants me ultimately is such a turn on x Mrs x | |||
" Can I watch "We love people watching and wandering hands | |||
" Can I watch
We love people watching and wandering hands "I love being a voyeur as I move closer and closer to the action x | |||
"It was someone we both got to know quite well xx God this is sexy bet he made her happy x" He sure did make her very happy!! and me also
As he says though, seeing a woman orgasm is such a beautifull thing to witness!! either by a man's touch or another woman's touch........my god is he right 🫦 ohhh he's very considerate, he skillfuly shares the cream for us cats 😉🥵 xxx | |||
" This is Everything! Sums up how i feel seeing my husband in action too. Perfection 👌 x Mrs x So hot isn't it! I can't wait to get my hands back on him! x Can I watch "Its not about being watched for me, its a private reconnection x Mrs x | |||
" This is Everything! Sums up how i feel seeing my husband in action too. Perfection 👌 x Mrs x So hot isn't it! I can't wait to get my hands back on him! x Can I watch
Its not about being watched for me, its a private reconnection x
Mrs x"Damn I need a woman like you | |||
" This is Everything! Sums up how i feel seeing my husband in action too. Perfection 👌 x Mrs x So hot isn't it! I can't wait to get my hands back on him! x Can I watch
Its not about being watched for me, its a private reconnection x
Mrs x
Damn I need a woman like you "We are rare, good luck x Mrs x | |||
" This is Everything! Sums up how i feel seeing my husband in action too. Perfection 👌 x Mrs x So hot isn't it! I can't wait to get my hands back on him! x Can I watch
Its not about being watched for me, its a private reconnection x
Mrs x
Damn I need a woman like you
We are rare, good luck x
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"Sure there are male half of couples playing solo not sure if my Mrs would be up for it though lol Yeah that was sort of my point. Seems to be a high number of males happy for the wife to play but not so much the other way. Very good point that has not hit home until you pointed out, many husbands happy to let the wife play but very very few let their husbands play ! Strange ..... but any reason behind this ladies ? Xx No issue with either way, everyone does what works for them. Was just curious " | |||
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"I love watching my hubby with women as much as he enjoys watching me with men (and women lol) " Thats the same as us, I love seeing mr with another woman. | |||
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"I dont have couples down on my looking for because im not bisexual so would be a pretty poor addition. But i see lots and lots of "hotwife" profiles or the dynamic for bi threesomes. Do hot husbands exist? As in they play solo then return home to there other half? Genuinely interested as i have never come across this? Sounds a pretty hot idea, but could just be that i need a big lady wank who knows " Yes I'm one of them 😊 | |||
"I dont have couples down on my looking for because im not bisexual so would be a pretty poor addition. But i see lots and lots of "hotwife" profiles or the dynamic for bi threesomes. Do hot husbands exist? As in they play solo then return home to there other half? Genuinely interested as i have never come across this? Sounds a pretty hot idea, but could just be that i need a big lady wank who knows Yes I'm one of them 😊" I love watching if I get to join in but I'm happy for him to go off on his own, I used to bring "half time refreshments" with his old friend with benefits | |||
"I dont have couples down on my looking for because im not bisexual so would be a pretty poor addition. But i see lots and lots of "hotwife" profiles or the dynamic for bi threesomes. Do hot husbands exist? As in they play solo then return home to there other half? Genuinely interested as i have never come across this? Sounds a pretty hot idea, but could just be that i need a big lady wank who knows Yes I'm one of them 😊 I love watching if I get to join in but I'm happy for him to go off on his own, I used to bring "half time refreshments" with his old friend with benefits " Were you not the half time refreshments?? | |||
"I dont have couples down on my looking for because im not bisexual so would be a pretty poor addition. But i see lots and lots of "hotwife" profiles or the dynamic for bi threesomes. Do hot husbands exist? As in they play solo then return home to there other half? Genuinely interested as i have never come across this? Sounds a pretty hot idea, but could just be that i need a big lady wank who knows " That is what A and I have been trying to do since we started but to no avail. I’m just not hot enough of a husband I guess lol | |||
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"Aye constantly reexplaining it is frustrating especially when we often get looked at as though we grew an extra head and I get questions like “so you don’t like your Mrs to play then?” No that isn’t it just listen to what I said ffs "Ah, yes, but with us that IS the scenario. Which, as I say, seems too good to be true as a typical male fantasy, but happens to be true. | |||
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"Something that we always find interesting is the double standards if the dynamic. We message couples looking for the male half for myself. And you often get a positive response and told its an interesting dynamic. If however we message couples looking for the female half only for Mr to meet solo, you get a totally different response, and not in a good way. Mr won't even message couples now as it just causes negativity. Its really strange how different the responses are. Mrs. X" It's not quite right but I think it's to do with the numbers. If you're messaging looking to meet the female half solo, you're another person wanting to meet a single woman. There are lots of people wanting to meet a single woman. What you're offering is a different dynamic but still - someone wanting to meet the woman alone. Women wanting to meet hothusbands? Not as common. I'm guessing a hotwife receives a lot more messages than a hothusband. It's something slightly different and they might be curious about it but still... it's a woman wanting to meet a man. There are lots of men around. | |||
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" It's not quite right but I think it's to do with the numbers. If you're messaging looking to meet the female half solo, you're another person wanting to meet a single woman. There are lots of people wanting to meet a single woman. What you're offering is a different dynamic but still - someone wanting to meet the woman alone. Women wanting to meet hothusbands? Not as common. I'm guessing a hotwife receives a lot more messages than a hothusband. It's something slightly different and they might be curious about it but still... it's a woman wanting to meet a man. There are lots of men around." In my experience - and we've only been looking for a couple of months, in a rather desultory fashion since we both have busy jobs - it's less the meeting that is tricky, than the dynamic. Women interested enough in me to want to meet with a view to more, are interested enough not to want another woman around - unless as part of an FFM, which again is not the aim, at least at first. I have to say that the responses here have been very positive, at least in theory. But it does still seem that our dynamic is especially rare: we are not a hotwife+hothusband pair. | |||
I think he is hot but I am biased.
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"In my experience - and we've only been looking for a couple of months, in a rather desultory fashion since we both have busy jobs - it's less the meeting that is tricky, than the dynamic. Women interested enough in me to want to meet with a view to more, are interested enough not to want another woman around - unless as part of an FFM, which again is not the aim, at least at first. I have to say that the responses here have been very positive, at least in theory. But it does still seem that our dynamic is especially rare: we are not a hotwife+hothusband pair." Your dynamic isn't especially rare. I mean it's rare but it's not unheard of. There's a couple I'm close to - the husband is very much a hothusband, the wife isn't a hotwife and has no desire to be one. Cuckcakeing it up there. There are several more that I'm not *as* close to. This might be because I like hothusbands and the dynamic so I'm more likely to know them? Yes, probably is. Cuckqueaning (and I'm making an assumption here, might not be your thing!) can be tricky to navigate and sometimes it helps if the women have a friendship? I don't want to type too much on here in case I'm wrong and also this is a long post as is. It's a fascinating topic though! | |||
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"I dont have couples down on my looking for because im not bisexual so would be a pretty poor addition. But i see lots and lots of "hotwife" profiles or the dynamic for bi threesomes. Do hot husbands exist? As in they play solo then return home to there other half? Genuinely interested as i have never come across this? Sounds a pretty hot idea, but could just be that i need a big lady wank who knows " We do exist x | |||
" Your dynamic isn't especially rare. I mean it's rare but it's not unheard of. There's a couple I'm close to - the husband is very much a hothusband, the wife isn't a hotwife and has no desire to be one. Cuckcakeing it up there. There are several more that I'm not *as* close to. This might be because I like hothusbands and the dynamic so I'm more likely to know them? Yes, probably is. Cuckqueaning (and I'm making an assumption here, might not be your thing!) can be tricky to navigate and sometimes it helps if the women have a friendship? I don't want to type too much on here in case I'm wrong and also this is a long post as is. It's a fascinating topic though! " Cuckqueaning is absolutely it, with a side (main?) order of D/s abjection/degradation/humiliation, then reclaiming, reassurance, etc. Good advice as ever, Meli, about friendship, but she does have friends who would...it's just that brings out her anxiety about emotional attachment. Maybe it will stay pretty much a fantasy, with very rare incursions into reality. And that would be just fine. Excellent, thought-provoking contributions from lots of people. Thank you, all. I am learning a lot. | |||
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I really wish there were more events and places where us queens could take our hot husband and have a very erotic time. | |||
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"I dont have couples down on my looking for because im not bisexual so would be a pretty poor addition. But i see lots and lots of "hotwife" profiles or the dynamic for bi threesomes. Do hot husbands exist? As in they play solo then return home to there other half? Genuinely interested as i have never come across this? Sounds a pretty hot idea, but could just be that i need a big lady wank who knows Yes I'm one of them 😊 I love watching if I get to join in but I'm happy for him to go off on his own, I used to bring "half time refreshments" with his old friend with benefits Were you not the half time refreshments?? "No she was straight unused to bring coffee and cake then leave them too it | |||
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"I dont have couples down on my looking for because im not bisexual so would be a pretty poor addition. But i see lots and lots of "hotwife" profiles or the dynamic for bi threesomes. Do hot husbands exist? As in they play solo then return home to there other half? Genuinely interested as i have never come across this? Sounds a pretty hot idea, but could just be that i need a big lady wank who knows " Yes. Right here. | |||
"As we have a rare dynamic (Bi Male/Straight Female) having a woman join us would mainly for a hothusband scenario or a FMF where the ladies don't play together. We have both played solo at times and although we don't actively seek it, we are both completely comfortable and confident in our relationship to explore whatever desires we have without jealousy or worry, so of course this is something we could explore should the opportunity or interest arise. " Same here. My wife doesn’t mind some soft FF play but we don’t go looking for that. Shame you’re not more local. I’m sure we could share some stories! | |||
"I dont have couples down on my looking for because im not bisexual so would be a pretty poor addition. But i see lots and lots of "hotwife" profiles or the dynamic for bi threesomes. Do hot husbands exist? As in they play solo then return home to there other half? Genuinely interested as i have never come across this? Sounds a pretty hot idea, but could just be that i need a big lady wank who knows " Yeah we do it and know a few other couples who do aswell | |||
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"I dont have couples down on my looking for because im not bisexual so would be a pretty poor addition. But i see lots and lots of "hotwife" profiles or the dynamic for bi threesomes. Do hot husbands exist? As in they play solo then return home to there other half? Genuinely interested as i have never come across this? Sounds a pretty hot idea, but could just be that i need a big lady wank who knows " | |||
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"I dont have couples down on my looking for because im not bisexual so would be a pretty poor addition. But i see lots and lots of "hotwife" profiles or the dynamic for bi threesomes. Do hot husbands exist? As in they play solo then return home to there other half? Genuinely interested as i have never come across this? Sounds a pretty hot idea, but could just be that i need a big lady wank who knows " Yes, its called 'cuckqueaning' | |||
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"I dont have couples down on my looking for because im not bisexual so would be a pretty poor addition. But i see lots and lots of "hotwife" profiles or the dynamic for bi threesomes. Do hot husbands exist? As in they play solo then return home to there other half? Genuinely interested as i have never come across this? Sounds a pretty hot idea, but could just be that i need a big lady wank who knows " I like this idea, but inwant to be the one they hot husband is visiting | |||
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