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"I was clean two months ago so picked this up in last two months, would have been dire if I had waited six months. I don't feel dirty, just feel enormously guilty for putting others at risk. even people I have only kissed, since the bug was found in my throat!" I think your a very brave woman to be so open about this .... you need a big pat on the back ... i know people who think just because thay feel nothing thay are all clear ... i am fed-up telling them some things you dont feel and never know untill you get cheeks done .. if your into swinging you have too ..... most can be treated very easy and your not a lepper ... your looking after yourself . we are so lucky our local gum is really good and lovely people. | |||
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"I was clean two months ago so picked this up in last two months, would have been dire if I had waited six months. I don't feel dirty, just feel enormously guilty for putting others at risk. even people I have only kissed, since the bug was found in my throat!" No need to feel guilty..its par for the course..everyone who plays must know and therefore accept the risks..to some its part of the excitement.. If anyone who you did come in contact with became infected im sure they would accept it in the same way.. Keep your chin well and truly up mrs...x | |||
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"std's do not got passed on by kissing......fact.....the saliva in the mouth is deadly 4 std's....the is a theoretical risk of passing std's by oral sex, but it is soooooooooo unlikley that most experts class oral sex as safe sex....." I think you might have to update your reading . A lot of porn actresses get stds in their mouths and throats. | |||
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"I've read that page a million times since monday! And the NHS literature says cannot be transmitted by kissing, but what that means is a peck on the lips!" Obviously, if you are both virgins, kissing each other with tongues and saliva you wont get a STI. But the risk, as you know, if if you kiss someone who has done oral with someone with a disease. | |||
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"I've read that page a million times since monday! And the NHS literature says cannot be transmitted by kissing, but what that means is a peck on the lips!" no it doesnt.....kissing is kissing....if it ment peck on the lips it would make sure that they were clear about it....otherwise people would b kissing getting std's and suing the arrse of them cuz they said kissing was risk 3.....which it is...if you could get std's by kissing then they wudnt be std's they wud be common viral infections.....kids would have....11 year old having a snog wud get std's....you could stick you toung down the throats of 10000 h.i.v sufferes 100 ghonnareia sufferes....1000chlamydie suffers and u wud not catch anything that is a std'd u might get sum other infection or disease but it certainly would not be a sexual transmisted disease.....and u shudnt post on a swingers website that u can catch std's from kissing cuz it could cause some people 2 worry unessercerally | |||
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"From another site: If a person is infected with any of the following STDs, there is a risk they could transmit the infection via oral sex. The most common STD transmitted via oral sex is herpes. There are two main types of herpes simplex virus (HSV): HSV type 1, which usually causes cold sores around the mouth, and HSV type 2, which generally causes sores around the genitals. If a person has HSV type 1 and they give oral sex to another person, the herpes could be transmitted to the genital area of the other person, causing genital sores. This process can also work in reverse, with HSV-2 transmitting from the genitals to the mouth of the other person during oral sex, though this is rare. Gonorrhoea can easily be transmitted via oral sex. The infection is usually passed from infected genitals to a person's throat, but can also be passed from an infected throat to a person's genitals. The body will almost always naturally clear the throat of the bacteria that cause gonorrhoea within three months, although infections in the genital tract will usually require antibiotics to cure. Syphilis is easily transmitted during oral sex if a person’s mouth comes into contact with an open sore or a skin rash caused by the infection. It is possible (but thought to be not very common) for the human papillomavirus, which causes genital warts, to be transmitted through oral sex. Chlamydia can infect the throat via oral sex, although this is thought to be uncommon. People with chlamydia may not have any symptoms and may not be aware they are infected. The hepatitis A virus is found in human faeces, and may be passed on during anal-oral sex. Hepatitis B is contained in sexual fluids and blood and may be transmitted during oral sex in a similar way to HIV (see below). Hepatitis C is generally only contained in blood, and will only be transmitted if there is blood present during oral sex. Gastrointestinal infections and parasites may be passed on during oral contact with the anus. " ye i said you could spread std' oral sex just the risk is significantly reduced making it for all pratical purposes safe sex.....dr's do a risk assessment at gum's and if u say u just had oral sex and not full sex they wouldnt recomened testing.....absolute fact....there is a risk but there is also a risk you could get struck by lightning...it happens but not very often....but u crnt spread it by kissing | |||
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"I've read that page a million times since monday! And the NHS literature says cannot be transmitted by kissing, but what that means is a peck on the lips! no it doesnt.....kissing is kissing....if it ment peck on the lips it would make sure that they were clear about it....otherwise people would b kissing getting std's and suing the arrse of them cuz they said kissing was risk 3.....which it is...if you could get std's by kissing then they wudnt be std's they wud be common viral infections.....kids would have....11 year old having a snog wud get std's....you could stick you toung down the throats of 10000 h.i.v sufferes 100 ghonnareia sufferes....1000chlamydie suffers and u wud not catch anything that is a std'd u might get sum other infection or disease but it certainly would not be a sexual transmisted disease.....and u shudnt post on a swingers website that u can catch std's from kissing cuz it could cause some people 2 worry unessercerally" Why are you telling someone who has been diagnosed with something that it is impossible for her to have it? She obviously has, and someone with it knows a million times more than someone who doesn't have it. Not very empathic there man! | |||
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"No, that's precisely what the nurse said, when they say kissing, they do not mean deep kissing, they mean just a peck on the lips..." well your nurse is wrong | |||
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"jesus, what is this guy on?????? how dare he say the OP is lying?? think he seriously needs to get a grip or be banned from this thread sheesh "do you seriusly belive you can catch std's by kissing....virgins would have std's...11 year old would have std's.....if you could the would be called std's...they would just be called infections.....there called std's cuz u get them by having sex....the flu isnt an std beacause you can get it without having sex....but ghoneria is called an std cuz u have 2 have sex 2 get it.....kissing is a std safe zone...absolute fact....if you could catch std's by kissing then the nhs would have posters round school and that saying dont kiss....its just unbelivable that ur even suggesting im wrong.....have u all lost your minds.... | |||
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"Dr Pixie said you can get thrush from kissing and two young women were on a beach showing her their thrush and they had both kissed the same man while on hiliday - Embarrassing Bodies the other night. If dr pixie says you can then you can. Thrush is classed as an sti if its contracted by sexual contact although it can happen spontaneously for a variety of reasons." oral thrush is not and std... | |||
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"No, that's precisely what the nurse said, when they say kissing, they do not mean deep kissing, they mean just a peck on the lips... well your nurse is wrong" Also how do you think families get cold sores? (herpes) A peck on the lips is the culprit. Not sex - normal family affection. | |||
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"Actually I quite like it when the ill-informed show themselves. "Yep. Would hate to see the state of his gums.  | |||
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"jesus, what is this guy on?????? how dare he say the OP is lying?? think he seriously needs to get a grip or be banned from this thread sheesh
do you seriusly belive you can catch std's by kissing....virgins would have std's...11 year old would have std's.....if you could the would be called std's...they would just be called infections.....there called std's cuz u get them by having sex....the flu isnt an std beacause you can get it without having sex....but ghoneria is called an std cuz u have 2 have sex 2 get it.....kissing is a std safe zone...absolute fact....if you could catch std's by kissing then the nhs would have posters round school and that saying dont kiss....its just unbelivable that ur even suggesting im wrong.....have u all lost your minds...."look pal i think u seriously need to get a grip and be a whole lot better informed about things to be honest, i would pay a visit to your local gum clinic and fire questions at them!! and then and only then come back and hav a civil discussion | |||
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"Dr Pixie said you can get thrush from kissing and two young women were on a beach showing her their thrush and they had both kissed the same man while on hiliday - Embarrassing Bodies the other night. If dr pixie says you can then you can. Thrush is classed as an sti if its contracted by sexual contact although it can happen spontaneously for a variety of reasons. oral thrush is not and std..." Yes it can be. But don't expect me to pander to your ignorance - youve had plenty of examples and not given one credible piece of response back. Its admirable you seek education but frightening readign some of your auld wifies tales. | |||
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" do you seriusly belive you can catch std's by kissing....virgins would have std's...11 year old would have std's.....if you could the would be called std's...they would just be called infections.....there called std's cuz u get them by having sex....the flu isnt an std beacause you can get it without having sex....but ghoneria is called an std cuz u have 2 have sex 2 get it.....kissing is a std safe zone...absolute fact....if you could catch std's by kissing then the nhs would have posters round school and that saying dont kiss....its just unbelivable that ur even suggesting im wrong.....have u all lost your minds...." Tell you what mate, you've already done the reasearch. Give us the names of websites (but not the links, the mods here don't like links to random websites) that we can go to and see that you are right. Or the research you've read. You must have the names of papers and books that you read? Over to you mate! | |||
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" do you seriusly belive you can catch std's by kissing....virgins would have std's...11 year old would have std's.....if you could the would be called std's...they would just be called infections.....there called std's cuz u get them by having sex....the flu isnt an std beacause you can get it without having sex....but ghoneria is called an std cuz u have 2 have sex 2 get it.....kissing is a std safe zone...absolute fact....if you could catch std's by kissing then the nhs would have posters round school and that saying dont kiss....its just unbelivable that ur even suggesting im wrong.....have u all lost your minds.... Tell you what mate, you've already done the reasearch. Give us the names of websites (but not the links, the mods here don't like links to random websites) that we can go to and see that you are right. Or the research you've read. You must have the names of papers and books that you read? Over to you mate!" when i went gum i asked them so many question they wer getting pissed off with me......medhelp dr hunter handsfild and dr hook 2 world renowned sexual health blokes.....birmingham sexual health website.....a ton of book and other internet reasearch....which mostly is a load of shit.....embarrasing bodies website....loads and loads......med help is the best dr hunter handsfield....go on 2 his thread and put in kissing.....dnt go on the public forums cuz there filled with crap like u can get std's by kising.....just go on the dr's one....google him.... | |||
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" when i went gum i asked them so many question they wer getting pissed off with me......medhelp dr hunter handsfild and dr hook 2 world renowned sexual health blokes.....birmingham sexual health website.....a ton of book and other internet reasearch....which mostly is a load of shit.....embarrasing bodies website....loads and loads......med help is the best dr hunter handsfield....go on 2 his thread and put in kissing.....dnt go on the public forums cuz there filled with crap like u can get std's by kising.....just go on the dr's one....google him...." Birmingham sexual health website:- " MYTH: You can not catch an STI through oral sex FACT: Wrong. Chlamydia, gonorrhoea, herpes, syphilis and HIV can each spread through oral sex. | |||
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"tell you what, for a 22 yr old lad, your very ill informed, considering yur supposed to hav gone to 2 gum clinics and your look brook advisary clinic!!! and you hav made no valid points at all, you seem blatently to be ignoring all of what ppl are saying, even thos that hav suffered from sti's, myself included and yes i had throat swabs taken!!! as well as he usual internal ones and blood tests!! " ye throat swabs cuz of oral sex......not kissing....im very well informed....ive made loads of valid points..re read the thread nobody has gave me any response 2 any of my points...about y virgins dnt get std's.....y kids dnt....y dnt the risks of kissing get more publicity if it is such a risky business apparently....you havent made any....and oral thrush is not a std....you can get it during sex but u can also just get it from being ill......thats y its not a std.....wer as ghonnaria is a std cuz u can only get it from sex.....so basiclyy u just agreed with me | |||
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" when i went gum i asked them so many question they wer getting pissed off with me......medhelp dr hunter handsfild and dr hook 2 world renowned sexual health blokes.....birmingham sexual health website.....a ton of book and other internet reasearch....which mostly is a load of shit.....embarrasing bodies website....loads and loads......med help is the best dr hunter handsfield....go on 2 his thread and put in kissing.....dnt go on the public forums cuz there filled with crap like u can get std's by kising.....just go on the dr's one....google him.... Birmingham sexual health website:- " MYTH: You can not catch an STI through oral sex FACT: Wrong. Chlamydia, gonorrhoea, herpes, syphilis and HIV can each spread through oral sex." what r u onabout....i said u could get it through oral sex but the risk in significantly reduced......i said u carnt get it from kissing | |||
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"tell you what, for a 22 yr old lad, your very ill informed, considering yur supposed to hav gone to 2 gum clinics and your look brook advisary clinic!!! and you hav made no valid points at all, you seem blatently to be ignoring all of what ppl are saying, even thos that hav suffered from sti's, myself included and yes i had throat swabs taken!!! as well as he usual internal ones and blood tests!! ye throat swabs cuz of oral sex......not kissing....im very well informed....ive made loads of valid points..re read the thread nobody has gave me any response 2 any of my points...about y virgins dnt get std's.....y kids dnt....y dnt the risks of kissing get more publicity if it is such a risky business apparently....you havent made any....and oral thrush is not a std....you can get it during sex but u can also just get it from being ill......thats y its not a std.....wer as ghonnaria is a std cuz u can only get it from sex.....so basiclyy u just agreed with me" look mate i would never agree with you wat so ever!! and i think if you read my posts carefully i aint agreed with u at all | |||
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"jesus, what is this guy on?????? how dare he say the OP is lying?? think he seriously needs to get a grip or be banned from this thread sheesh
do you seriusly belive you can catch std's by kissing....virgins would have std's...11 year old would have std's.....if you could the would be called std's...they would just be called infections.....there called std's cuz u get them by having sex....the flu isnt an std beacause you can get it without having sex....but ghoneria is called an std cuz u have 2 have sex 2 get it.....kissing is a std safe zone...absolute fact....if you could catch std's by kissing then the nhs would have posters round school and that saying dont kiss....its just unbelivable that ur even suggesting im wrong.....have u all lost your minds...."Nope we aint all lost our minds we just know the facts One of my best mates is also my GUM doctor and believe you me you are sooooo wrong mate | |||
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"tell you what, for a 22 yr old lad, your very ill informed, considering yur supposed to hav gone to 2 gum clinics and your look brook advisary clinic!!! and you hav made no valid points at all, you seem blatently to be ignoring all of what ppl are saying, even thos that hav suffered from sti's, myself included and yes i had throat swabs taken!!! as well as he usual internal ones and blood tests!! ye throat swabs cuz of oral sex......not kissing....im very well informed....ive made loads of valid points..re read the thread nobody has gave me any response 2 any of my points...about y virgins dnt get std's.....y kids dnt....y dnt the risks of kissing get more publicity if it is such a risky business apparently....you havent made any....and oral thrush is not a std....you can get it during sex but u can also just get it from being ill......thats y its not a std.....wer as ghonnaria is a std cuz u can only get it from sex.....so basiclyy u just agreed with me" Birmingham sexual health website again:- Gonorrhoea passed on by:- Having unprotected vaginal, oral or anal sex with someone who has gonorrhoea Rimming (where someone uses their tongue on or around someone’s anus) Sharing sex toys Inserting fingers into an infected area then touching their own vagina, anus or mouth without washing hands in between From mother to baby at birth | |||
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"ye throat swabs cuz of oral sex......not kissing....im very well informed....ive made loads of valid points..re read the thread nobody has gave me any response 2 any of my points...about y virgins dnt get std's.....y kids dnt...." Because they are less likely to kiss people who have indulged in oral sex, you tedious person. | |||
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"Do you never kiss anyone after oral sex? " i just dont think he gets it one bit to be honest!!!! he blinded by his one sided argument | |||
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"the is a theoretical risk of passing std's by oral sex, but it is soooooooooo unlikley that most experts class oral sex as safe sex....." I have to step out here and say I too was obviously just 'one of the unlucky' ones when I contracted genital herpes after being given oral sex by a female friend of mine who had a coldsore. She had been told it wasn't a coldsore, I stupidly believed it at the time and a couple of weeks later it came out on me down there Felt devastated at the time! However, maybe i'm just lying or misinformed by my GUM clinic too...... | |||
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"Do you never kiss anyone after oral sex? i just dont think he gets it one bit to be honest!!!! he blinded by his one sided argument" I am just aghast at not only his bad science, but his complete lack of empathy for people who have obviously contracted something he insists is mythical. | |||
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"ok im worng......but instead of people just telling me im wrong......can you please tell me 1) why dont virgins get std's 2)why dnt 10-11-12 year olds get std's 3) why dont they tell people the risks of kissing 4) why does the nhs website state there is not risk of std's from kissing 5)why r std's called std's if you clearly can get them even if you dont have sex..... as you lot all no so much im sure ill b inundated with info on the sexual dangers of kissing......crnt belive iv been putting myself at so much risk over the years by kissing. thanx appriciated" I'd imagine virgins and children don't get STI's because they're not SEXUALLY active!! Christ on a bike... are you for real?! They're also called STI's... sexually transmitted infections, a broader spectrum no doubt to incorporate the various infections and the ways you can catch them. You do realise that oral sex means with your mouth don't you? | |||
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" what r u onabout....i said u could get it through oral sex but the risk in significantly reduced......i said u carnt get it from kissing" And from that medhelp website:- HSV-2 causes most of the genital herpes cases. HSV-2 can be spread through secretions from the mouth or genitals. Herpes simplex virus (HSV) is spread from one person to another by skin-to-skin contact. The virus is shed from visible sores, blisters, or a rash during outbreaks, but can also be shed from the affected area between outbreaks of symptoms. HSV is transmitted to the area of skin with which it comes into contact. There are also some cases by which other types of contact can spread HSV. For example, a variant of herpes, known as herpes gladiatorum, can be passed on during body contact sports, such as wrestling. Because the virus is transmitted through secretions from the mouth or genital tissue (mucosa), common sites of infection in men include: Anus Inner thighs Scrotum Shaft and head of the penis Common sites of infection in women include: Anus Cervix Inner thighs Labia Vagina The mouth can also be a site of infection in both sexes. ----------------------------- That last line is kinda damming, don'tcha think? | |||
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" when i went gum i asked them so many question they wer getting pissed off with me......medhelp dr hunter handsfild and dr hook 2 world renowned sexual health blokes.....birmingham sexual health website.....a ton of book and other internet reasearch....which mostly is a load of shit.....embarrasing bodies website....loads and loads......med help is the best dr hunter handsfield....go on 2 his thread and put in kissing.....dnt go on the public forums cuz there filled with crap like u can get std's by kising.....just go on the dr's one....google him.... Birmingham sexual health website:- " MYTH: You can not catch an STI through oral sex FACT: Wrong. Chlamydia, gonorrhoea, herpes, syphilis and HIV can each spread through oral sex. what r u onabout....i said u could get it through oral sex but the risk in significantly reduced......i said u carnt get it from kissing" Fact...you can catch Hepatitis B trough any form of swapping Bodily Fluids Kissing Oral sex | |||
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"You do realise that oral sex means with your mouth don't you? " He thought it was with his ears! | |||
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"ok im worng......but instead of people just telling me im wrong......can you please tell me 1) why dont virgins get std's 2)why dnt 10-11-12 year olds get std's 3) why dont they tell people the risks of kissing 4) why does the nhs website state there is not risk of std's from kissing 5)why r std's called std's if you clearly can get them even if you dont have sex..... as you lot all no so much im sure ill b inundated with info on the sexual dangers of kissing......crnt belive iv been putting myself at so much risk over the years by kissing. thanx appriciated" how do you no that none of the above mentioned hav contracted and sti?? jsut because it has not been on national news or advertised in ur local paper does not mean that it has not happened, i no when i lived in doncaster in early 2000, i had heasrd of a 13 yr old girl who had contacted gonarriea in her throat, as for it being tru, i hav no idea, but it could hav been, dont mean to say there are not other cases throughout britain or other countries | |||
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"ok im worng......but instead of people just telling me im wrong......can you please tell me 1) why dont virgins get std's 2)why dnt 10-11-12 year olds get std's 3) why dont they tell people the risks of kissing 4) why does the nhs website state there is not risk of std's from kissing 5)why r std's called std's if you clearly can get them even if you dont have sex..... as you lot all no so much im sure ill b inundated with info on the sexual dangers of kissing......crnt belive iv been putting myself at so much risk over the years by kissing. thanx appriciated" You aint just wrong mate you are very wrong and i find it quite disturbing that you are on a swingers site with very little knowledge of the risks from your hobby As i said earlier my friend is also my GUM doctor and i question the fact that you state you have check ups and ask questions | |||
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"ok im worng......but instead of people just telling me im wrong......can you please tell me 1) why dont virgins get std's 2)why dnt 10-11-12 year olds get std's 3) why dont they tell people the risks of kissing 4) why does the nhs website state there is not risk of std's from kissing 5)why r std's called std's if you clearly can get them even if you dont have sex..... as you lot all no so much im sure ill b inundated with info on the sexual dangers of kissing......crnt belive iv been putting myself at so much risk over the years by kissing. thanx appriciated" Ok.... 1: they would if they were unfortunate enough to kiss someone who was infected with chlamydia, gonhorrea, etc in their throats 2: Most 10-11-12 year olds also wouldn't have been in contact with those old enough to have had sex, oral or intercourse or been kissing those that may have one of the affore mentioned infections. However, i'm sure if you broke down the statistics there are probably some unfortunate children somewhere in the country/world that age who have contracted an STI 3: I think the risks of kissing are mentioned when you look at individual ways of contracting each STI 4: Ask them?! but also as mentioned in point 3, look at each STI individually and see what it says 5: Because full on kissing is likely to be regarded in a sexual nature because it can lead to a more physical event and/or give the feeling of pleasure associated with sexual feeling and the act itself. Therefore its given an umbrella group and abbreviation as generally these infections are contracted by some kind of sexual act, from kissing through to penetration. Maybe you should be a bit more selective about who you kiss and keep your fingers crossed that you're never unlucky enough to god forbid, come accross someone who has an infection in their throat.... | |||
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"people instead of just telling my im wrong tell me why...." We are!!!! "and welsh ye i know kids ent sexually activ and i know virgins ent sexuall active...." Dunno about you, but I don't give my daughter long, slow french kisses. | |||
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"people instead of just telling my im wrong tell me why.... We are!!!! and welsh ye i know kids ent sexually activ and i know virgins ent sexuall active.... Dunno about you, but I don't give my daughter long, slow french kisses." Ive been here a long time and nothing, but nothing has ever made me screech with laughter as much as that.... | |||
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" i stand by that untill sum one gives me an anser i crnt argue with" I honestly feel that that would NOT be possible | |||
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"people instead of just telling my im wrong tell me why.... We are!!!! and welsh ye i know kids ent sexually activ and i know virgins ent sexuall active.... Dunno about you, but I don't give my daughter long, slow french kisses. Ive been here a long time and nothing, but nothing has ever made me screech with laughter as much as that...." | |||
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"people instead of just telling my im wrong tell me why.... We are!!!! and welsh ye i know kids ent sexually activ and i know virgins ent sexuall active.... Dunno about you, but I don't give my daughter long, slow french kisses." you havent.....at the end of the day if stds cud b spread by kissing it would be more widespred amongst kids.....beacause a 16 yr old will have sex kiss a 15 yearold the 15 yer old will kiss 1 14 then a 13 then a 12 then 11......so it would spread......virgins would have it......and last but not least they wouldnt be called std's if you could get them from kissing......they would just b a general infection......look i dnt wanna cause i big row.....but every1 just think about it....kissing you get coldsaws....you get gladular fever....u dnt get ghonnaria from kissing u just dnt.....i swear... | |||
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"people instead of just telling my im wrong tell me why.... We are!!!! and welsh ye i know kids ent sexually activ and i know virgins ent sexuall active.... Dunno about you, but I don't give my daughter long, slow french kisses.you havent.....at the end of the day if stds cud b spread by kissing it would be more widespred amongst kids.....beacause a 16 yr old will have sex kiss a 15 yearold the 15 yer old will kiss 1 14 then a 13 then a 12 then 11......so it would spread......virgins would have it......and last but not least they wouldnt be called std's if you could get them from kissing......they would just b a general infection......look i dnt wanna cause i big row.....but every1 just think about it....kissing you get coldsaws....you get gladular fever....u dnt get ghonnaria from kissing u just dnt.....i swear..." If you really have read all the NHS webpages on this you would realise they don't call them STDs anymore they are always referred to as STIs! | |||
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"people instead of just telling my im wrong tell me why.... We are!!!! and welsh ye i know kids ent sexually activ and i know virgins ent sexuall active.... Dunno about you, but I don't give my daughter long, slow french kisses.you havent.....at the end of the day if stds cud b spread by kissing it would be more widespred amongst kids.....beacause a 16 yr old will have sex kiss a 15 yearold the 15 yer old will kiss 1 14 then a 13 then a 12 then 11......so it would spread......virgins would have it......and last but not least they wouldnt be called std's if you could get them from kissing......they would just b a general infection......look i dnt wanna cause i big row.....but every1 just think about it....kissing you get coldsaws....you get gladular fever....u dnt get ghonnaria from kissing u just dnt.....i swear... If you really have read all the NHS webpages on this you would realise they don't call them STDs anymore they are always referred to as STIs! "the thread called std's and i didnt start it.....also thats a bit petty ent it really we all not what the topic is | |||
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"people instead of just telling my im wrong tell me why.... We are!!!! and welsh ye i know kids ent sexually activ and i know virgins ent sexuall active.... Dunno about you, but I don't give my daughter long, slow french kisses.you havent.....at the end of the day if stds cud b spread by kissing it would be more widespred amongst kids.....beacause a 16 yr old will have sex kiss a 15 yearold the 15 yer old will kiss 1 14 then a 13 then a 12 then 11......so it would spread......virgins would have it......and last but not least they wouldnt be called std's if you could get them from kissing......they would just b a general infection......look i dnt wanna cause i big row.....but every1 just think about it....kissing you get coldsaws....you get gladular fever....u dnt get ghonnaria from kissing u just dnt.....i swear..." Actually, and if you were a parent, you might know this, but there was an ad campaign a couple of years ago directed towards kids about this sort of thing. Listen, you obviously know more thna the rest of us put together, yes, even the people who have it, even though you say they cannot possibly have contracted it. But you can at least admit that you will kiss someone after oral sex can't you? If so, why can't that disease then be spread by kissing? | |||
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"people instead of just telling my im wrong tell me why.... We are!!!! and welsh ye i know kids ent sexually activ and i know virgins ent sexuall active.... Dunno about you, but I don't give my daughter long, slow french kisses.you havent.....at the end of the day if stds cud b spread by kissing it would be more widespred amongst kids.....beacause a 16 yr old will have sex kiss a 15 yearold the 15 yer old will kiss 1 14 then a 13 then a 12 then 11......so it would spread......virgins would have it......and last but not least they wouldnt be called std's if you could get them from kissing......they would just b a general infection......look i dnt wanna cause i big row.....but every1 just think about it....kissing you get coldsaws....you get gladular fever....u dnt get ghonnaria from kissing u just dnt.....i swear... If you really have read all the NHS webpages on this you would realise they don't call them STDs anymore they are always referred to as STIs!
the thread called std's and i didnt start it.....also thats a bit petty ent it really we all not what the topic is"I was going to go into why they refer to them as STIs now instead of STDs but no matter what anyone says you would disagree with it so I didn't bother! Petty, maybe, but still a valid point! | |||
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"you know what people are saying im gonin on and i wont lisen 2 any1.....but no1s given me a good anser.....u keep saying thing like oral thrush or hsv.....and i anser and explain why it ent kissing that spreads it.....oral sex ye......but not kissing.....there wudnt be enough of the virus in the mouth...it would be able 2 compete with the other bacteria in the syliva....you need millions and millions of particles.....kising after oral sex wudnt make a difference....look you ent gonna lsen 2 me i ent gonna lisen 2 u......lets just agree 2 disagree its getting boring now.....look im gonna sound arrogant but i know im right.....next time ur at ur gum ask.....its not logical its. not possible. its not true......kissing is std safe thats a fact google it now.....and any repitable website will tell u its safe.....not shity mikey mouse websites......birmingham sexual health....medhelp (dr thread not public) look at the harly street surgerys website.....nhs....anything there is no risk 4 std's from kissing" So you're not going to answer my question? Hmmmm, that says plenty. | |||
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"you know what people are saying im gonin on and i wont lisen 2 any1.....but no1s given me a good anser.....u keep saying thing like oral thrush or hsv.....and i anser and explain why it ent kissing that spreads it.....oral sex ye......but not kissing.....there wudnt be enough of the virus in the mouth...it would be able 2 compete with the other bacteria in the syliva....you need millions and millions of particles.....kising after oral sex wudnt make a difference....look you ent gonna lsen 2 me i ent gonna lisen 2 u......lets just agree 2 disagree its getting boring now.....look im gonna sound arrogant but i know im right.....next time ur at ur gum ask.....its not logical its. not possible. its not true......kissing is std safe thats a fact google it now.....and any repitable website will tell u its safe.....not shity mikey mouse websites......birmingham sexual health....medhelp (dr thread not public) look at the harly street surgerys website.....nhs....anything there is no risk 4 std's from kissing So you're not going to answer my question? Hmmmm, that says plenty. " i just said kissing after oral sex doesnt make a difference there would b anoth of the infection in the mouth 2 spread it......u might catch it from the oral sex......but not the kissing | |||
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"you know what people are saying im gonin on and i wont lisen 2 any1.....but no1s given me a good anser.....u keep saying thing like oral thrush or hsv.....and i anser and explain why it ent kissing that spreads it.....oral sex ye......but not kissing.....there wudnt be enough of the virus in the mouth...it would be able 2 compete with the other bacteria in the syliva....you need millions and millions of particles.....kising after oral sex wudnt make a difference....look you ent gonna lsen 2 me i ent gonna lisen 2 u......lets just agree 2 disagree its getting boring now.....look im gonna sound arrogant but i know im right.....next time ur at ur gum ask.....its not logical its. not possible. its not true......kissing is std safe thats a fact google it now.....and any repitable website will tell u its safe.....not shity mikey mouse websites......birmingham sexual health....medhelp (dr thread not public) look at the harly street surgerys website.....nhs....anything there is no risk 4 std's from kissing" But you ain't right that's the whole point your facts are wrong i aint gonna go into detail cause i don't have the time or patience As Ive said before my friend is also my GUM doctor and we have had many long conversations on STIs and believe you me you are wrong in what you are saying and cant believe that you are still going on about it when you are so obviously wrong | |||
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"you know what people are saying im gonin on and i wont lisen 2 any1.....but no1s given me a good anser.....u keep saying thing like oral thrush or hsv.....and i anser and explain why it ent kissing that spreads it.....oral sex ye......but not kissing.....there wudnt be enough of the virus in the mouth...it would be able 2 compete with the other bacteria in the syliva....you need millions and millions of particles.....kising after oral sex wudnt make a difference....look you ent gonna lsen 2 me i ent gonna lisen 2 u......lets just agree 2 disagree its getting boring now.....look im gonna sound arrogant but i know im right.....next time ur at ur gum ask.....its not logical its. not possible. its not true......kissing is std safe thats a fact google it now.....and any repitable website will tell u its safe.....not shity mikey mouse websites......birmingham sexual health....medhelp (dr thread not public) look at the harly street surgerys website.....nhs....anything there is no risk 4 std's from kissing But you ain't right that's the whole point your facts are wrong i aint gonna go into detail cause i don't have the time or patience As Ive said before my friend is also my GUM doctor and we have had many long conversations on STIs and believe you me you are wrong in what you are saying and cant believe that you are still going on about it when you are so obviously wrong" m8 all due respect i could sit here and say my dads a sexual health dr....doesnt mean its true.....andif ur m8 is 1 then u would know kissing is risk 3 | |||
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"The websites you mentioned keep saying that sti's are spread through bodily fluids. What do you think saliva is? " some one give me a link 2 repitable website that says kissing is a std risk.....or web address wotever | |||
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"you know what people are saying im gonin on and i wont lisen 2 any1.....but no1s given me a good anser.....u keep saying thing like oral thrush or hsv.....and i anser and explain why it ent kissing that spreads it.....oral sex ye......but not kissing.....there wudnt be enough of the virus in the mouth...it would be able 2 compete with the other bacteria in the syliva....you need millions and millions of particles.....kising after oral sex wudnt make a difference....look you ent gonna lsen 2 me i ent gonna lisen 2 u......lets just agree 2 disagree its getting boring now.....look im gonna sound arrogant but i know im right.....next time ur at ur gum ask.....its not logical its. not possible. its not true......kissing is std safe thats a fact google it now.....and any repitable website will tell u its safe.....not shity mikey mouse websites......birmingham sexual health....medhelp (dr thread not public) look at the harly street surgerys website.....nhs....anything there is no risk 4 std's from kissing So you're not going to answer my question? Hmmmm, that says plenty. i just said kissing after oral sex doesnt make a difference there would b anoth of the infection in the mouth 2 spread it......u might catch it from the oral sex......but not the kissing" Thats not what I asked. I asked if you kiss people after oral sex. If so, how do you think the OP caught a STI in her mouth? Kissing passes STIs. PS You might want to look up 'straw man argument' and 'derailing for dummies' next time you use Wikipedia for your arguments. Just saying. | |||
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" ur m8 is 1 then u would know kissing is risk 3" Is it only when it gets to risk 1 or 2 that it spreads then?
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"Does this mean because I get an occaisional cold sore in the corner of my mouth .( I have never kisssed or performed oral sex when I have one ) that I am contagious even when clear. Dont think so. The only time they come up is when im run down and low immune system. I dont have genital herpies. and it wasnt sexually transmitted. Had someone run a mile yesterday cos I said I had one. silly man. " If its at the blister stage and open sore thats when it can be passed on. As I said in an earlier post you probably got it from kissing innocently as a child as they tend to occur in families and not through sex, but as you have one now it can spread to the genitals through oral sex if you have a flare up. I can understand anyones reaction towards fear of catching genital herpes or even a cold sore as they are for life. | |||
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"you know what people are saying im gonin on and i wont lisen 2 any1.....but no1s given me a good anser.....u keep saying thing like oral thrush or hsv.....and i anser and explain why it ent kissing that spreads it.....oral sex ye......but not kissing.....there wudnt be enough of the virus in the mouth...it would be able 2 compete with the other bacteria in the syliva....you need millions and millions of particles.....kising after oral sex wudnt make a difference....look you ent gonna lsen 2 me i ent gonna lisen 2 u......lets just agree 2 disagree its getting boring now.....look im gonna sound arrogant but i know im right.....next time ur at ur gum ask.....its not logical its. not possible. its not true......kissing is std safe thats a fact google it now.....and any repitable website will tell u its safe.....not shity mikey mouse websites......birmingham sexual health....medhelp (dr thread not public) look at the harly street surgerys website.....nhs....anything there is no risk 4 std's from kissing But you ain't right that's the whole point your facts are wrong i aint gonna go into detail cause i don't have the time or patience As Ive said before my friend is also my GUM doctor and we have had many long conversations on STIs and believe you me you are wrong in what you are saying and cant believe that you are still going on about it when you are so obviously wrong m8 all due respect i could sit here and say my dads a sexual health dr....doesnt mean its true.....andif ur m8 is 1 then u would know kissing is risk 3" Absolutely incredible xx
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"you know what people are saying im gonin on and i wont lisen 2 any1.....but no1s given me a good anser.....u keep saying thing like oral thrush or hsv.....and i anser and explain why it ent kissing that spreads it.....oral sex ye......but not kissing.....there wudnt be enough of the virus in the mouth...it would be able 2 compete with the other bacteria in the syliva....you need millions and millions of particles.....kising after oral sex wudnt make a difference....look you ent gonna lsen 2 me i ent gonna lisen 2 u......lets just agree 2 disagree its getting boring now.....look im gonna sound arrogant but i know im right.....next time ur at ur gum ask.....its not logical its. not possible. its not true......kissing is std safe thats a fact google it now.....and any repitable website will tell u its safe.....not shity mikey mouse websites......birmingham sexual health....medhelp (dr thread not public) look at the harly street surgerys website.....nhs....anything there is no risk 4 std's from kissing But you ain't right that's the whole point your facts are wrong i aint gonna go into detail cause i don't have the time or patience As Ive said before my friend is also my GUM doctor and we have had many long conversations on STIs and believe you me you are wrong in what you are saying and cant believe that you are still going on about it when you are so obviously wrong m8 all due respect i could sit here and say my dads a sexual health dr....doesnt mean its true.....andif ur m8 is 1 then u would know kissing is risk 3 Absolutely incredible xx
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"you know what people are saying im gonin on and i wont lisen 2 any1.....but no1s given me a good anser.....u keep saying thing like oral thrush or hsv.....and i anser and explain why it ent kissing that spreads it.....oral sex ye......but not kissing.....there wudnt be enough of the virus in the mouth...it would be able 2 compete with the other bacteria in the syliva....you need millions and millions of particles.....kising after oral sex wudnt make a difference....look you ent gonna lsen 2 me i ent gonna lisen 2 u......lets just agree 2 disagree its getting boring now.....look im gonna sound arrogant but i know im right.....next time ur at ur gum ask.....its not logical its. not possible. its not true......kissing is std safe thats a fact google it now.....and any repitable website will tell u its safe.....not shity mikey mouse websites......birmingham sexual health....medhelp (dr thread not public) look at the harly street surgerys website.....nhs....anything there is no risk 4 std's from kissing But you ain't right that's the whole point your facts are wrong i aint gonna go into detail cause i don't have the time or patience As Ive said before my friend is also my GUM doctor and we have had many long conversations on STIs and believe you me you are wrong in what you are saying and cant believe that you are still going on about it when you are so obviously wrong m8 all due respect i could sit here and say my dads a sexual health dr....doesnt mean its true.....andif ur m8 is 1 then u would know kissing is risk 3 Absolutely incredible xx
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"The websites you mentioned keep saying that sti's are spread through bodily fluids. What do you think saliva is? some one give me a link 2 repitable website that says kissing is a std risk.....or web address wotever" google the centre for disease control. The US centre for disease research, you know, the guys i hazmat suits who deal with ebola and other nasty things. Yeah, seems they think that gonorrheacan breed in your mouth and can be spread by mouth contact. Sounds like kissing to me. | |||
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"Does this mean because I get an occaisional cold sore in the corner of my mouth .( I have never kisssed or performed oral sex when I have one ) that I am contagious even when clear. Dont think so. The only time they come up is when im run down and low immune system. I dont have genital herpies. and it wasnt sexually transmitted. Had someone run a mile yesterday cos I said I had one. silly man. If its at the blister stage and open sore thats when it can be passed on. As I said in an earlier post you probably got it from kissing innocently as a child as they tend to occur in families and not through sex, but as you have one now it can spread to the genitals through oral sex if you have a flare up. I can understand anyones reaction towards fear of catching genital herpes or even a cold sore as they are for life." I know exactly where i got it from . My stepfather had a sore on his cheek which was a symptom of the leukeamia he had. I believe it was from a towel or maybe a passing kiss tho not on that side of his face. I was 17 and had never had one before. . Just something that happens maybe once or twice a year since in a stress situation. no one has mentioned the fact you can get gonorrhea in the eye yet . thats a nasty one ... | |||
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"The websites you mentioned keep saying that sti's are spread through bodily fluids. What do you think saliva is? some one give me a link 2 repitable website that says kissing is a std risk.....or web address wotever google the centre for disease control. The US centre for disease research, you know, the guys i hazmat suits who deal with ebola and other nasty things. Yeah, seems they think that gonorrheacan breed in your mouth and can be spread by mouth contact. Sounds like kissing to me." they say that 2 cover there arse.....they also say its 99.98% that u wont.....so 4 all pratical purposes's its risk 3....every1 go 2 the nhs lifestly pages......yes thats rite the NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE.....they say and i quote "YOU CAR'NT GET AN STI FROM KISSING, BUT YOU CAN GET OR PASS A COLD SOR, SO AVOID KISSING IF EITHER OF YOU HAVE ONE" so the national health service agree with me.....eemmmmm iwonder who 2 belive you lot.....or the nhs....tough one....again thhat is nhs lifestyle kissing.....and dnt worry bout guys we all make mistakes | |||
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"Does this mean because I get an occaisional cold sore in the corner of my mouth .( I have never kisssed or performed oral sex when I have one ) that I am contagious even when clear. Dont think so. The only time they come up is when im run down and low immune system. I dont have genital herpies. and it wasnt sexually transmitted. Had someone run a mile yesterday cos I said I had one. silly man. If its at the blister stage and open sore thats when it can be passed on. As I said in an earlier post you probably got it from kissing innocently as a child as they tend to occur in families and not through sex, but as you have one now it can spread to the genitals through oral sex if you have a flare up. I can understand anyones reaction towards fear of catching genital herpes or even a cold sore as they are for life. I know exactly where i got it from . My stepfather had a sore on his cheek which was a symptom of the leukeamia he had. I believe it was from a towel or maybe a passing kiss tho not on that side of his face. I was 17 and had never had one before. . Just something that happens maybe once or twice a year since in a stress situation. no one has mentioned the fact you can get gonorrhea in the eye yet . thats a nasty one ..." yes conjunctivitis is a symptom of chlymidia and ghonneria....i had it once horrible...turned out it was a sti thoe | |||
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"The websites you mentioned keep saying that sti's are spread through bodily fluids. What do you think saliva is? some one give me a link 2 repitable website that says kissing is a std risk.....or web address wotever google the centre for disease control. The US centre for disease research, you know, the guys i hazmat suits who deal with ebola and other nasty things. Yeah, seems they think that gonorrheacan breed in your mouth and can be spread by mouth contact. Sounds like kissing to me. they say that 2 cover there arse.....they also say its 99.98% that u wont.....so 4 all pratical purposes's its risk 3....every1 go 2 the nhs lifestly pages......yes thats rite the NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE.....they say and i quote "YOU CAR'NT GET AN STI FROM KISSING, BUT YOU CAN GET OR PASS A COLD SOR, SO AVOID KISSING IF EITHER OF YOU HAVE ONE" so the national health service agree with me.....eemmmmm iwonder who 2 belive you lot.....or the nhs....tough one....again thhat is nhs lifestyle kissing.....and dnt worry bout guys we all make mistakes "So there is a 0.02% risk of it happening, hmmmm still a risk then! | |||
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"Does this mean because I get an occaisional cold sore in the corner of my mouth .( I have never kisssed or performed oral sex when I have one ) that I am contagious even when clear. Dont think so. The only time they come up is when im run down and low immune system. I dont have genital herpies. and it wasnt sexually transmitted. Had someone run a mile yesterday cos I said I had one. silly man. If its at the blister stage and open sore thats when it can be passed on. As I said in an earlier post you probably got it from kissing innocently as a child as they tend to occur in families and not through sex, but as you have one now it can spread to the genitals through oral sex if you have a flare up. I can understand anyones reaction towards fear of catching genital herpes or even a cold sore as they are for life. I know exactly where i got it from . My stepfather had a sore on his cheek which was a symptom of the leukeamia he had. I believe it was from a towel or maybe a passing kiss tho not on that side of his face. I was 17 and had never had one before. . Just something that happens maybe once or twice a year since in a stress situation. no one has mentioned the fact you can get gonorrhea in the eye yet . thats a nasty one ..." yes conjunctivitis is a symptom of chlymidia and ghonneria....i had it once horrible...turned out it was NOT! lol a sti thoe | |||
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"Still not answering my question I see. By the way, you can't get a STI by kissing if neither you or the person you kiss doesn't have one. I think the NHS website is saying that kissing isn't a STI. You can get one by kissing someone who is already infected, as we have been trying to tell you." i have anserd your question twice...lmao u ent anserd any of mine....no the nhs r sayin u can not catch a sti from kissing....it goes on 2 say how it is a safe way of being intimate...it doesnt matter if sum1 is infected or not its not transferd by kissing......i refer u 2 the nhs again who happen 2 back my argument up | |||
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"The websites you mentioned keep saying that sti's are spread through bodily fluids. What do you think saliva is? some one give me a link 2 repitable website that says kissing is a std risk.....or web address wotever google the centre for disease control. The US centre for disease research, you know, the guys i hazmat suits who deal with ebola and other nasty things. Yeah, seems they think that gonorrheacan breed in your mouth and can be spread by mouth contact. Sounds like kissing to me. they say that 2 cover there arse.....they also say its 99.98% that u wont.....so 4 all pratical purposes's its risk 3....every1 go 2 the nhs lifestly pages......yes thats rite the NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE.....they say and i quote "YOU CAR'NT GET AN STI FROM KISSING, BUT YOU CAN GET OR PASS A COLD SOR, SO AVOID KISSING IF EITHER OF YOU HAVE ONE" so the national health service agree with me.....eemmmmm iwonder who 2 belive you lot.....or the nhs....tough one....again thhat is nhs lifestyle kissing.....and dnt worry bout guys we all make mistakes
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"Still not answering my question I see. By the way, you can't get a STI by kissing if neither you or the person you kiss doesn't have one. I think the NHS website is saying that kissing isn't a STI. You can get one by kissing someone who is already infected, as we have been trying to tell you. i have anserd your question twice...lmao u ent anserd any of mine....no the nhs r sayin u can not catch a sti from kissing....it goes on 2 say how it is a safe way of being intimate...it doesnt matter if sum1 is infected or not its not transferd by kissing......i refer u 2 the nhs again who happen 2 back my argument up" You have obviously forgotten my question. I asked if you kiss someone after oral sex. | |||
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"The websites you mentioned keep saying that sti's are spread through bodily fluids. What do you think saliva is? some one give me a link 2 repitable website that says kissing is a std risk.....or web address wotever google the centre for disease control. The US centre for disease research, you know, the guys i hazmat suits who deal with ebola and other nasty things. Yeah, seems they think that gonorrheacan breed in your mouth and can be spread by mouth contact. Sounds like kissing to me. they say that 2 cover there arse.....they also say its 99.98% that u wont.....so 4 all pratical purposes's its risk 3....every1 go 2 the nhs lifestly pages......yes thats rite the NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE.....they say and i quote "YOU CAR'NT GET AN STI FROM KISSING, BUT YOU CAN GET OR PASS A COLD SOR, SO AVOID KISSING IF EITHER OF YOU HAVE ONE" so the national health service agree with me.....eemmmmm iwonder who 2 belive you lot.....or the nhs....tough one....again thhat is nhs lifestyle kissing.....and dnt worry bout guys we all make mistakes
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like i say 2 cover there arrse....they dnt say 100% cuz the reasearch would cost millions and it wud b a waste of money"I suppose covering their arses is another good way to stop the spread of STIs | |||
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"Still not answering my question I see. By the way, you can't get a STI by kissing if neither you or the person you kiss doesn't have one. I think the NHS website is saying that kissing isn't a STI. You can get one by kissing someone who is already infected, as we have been trying to tell you. i have anserd your question twice...lmao u ent anserd any of mine....no the nhs r sayin u can not catch a sti from kissing....it goes on 2 say how it is a safe way of being intimate...it doesnt matter if sum1 is infected or not its not transferd by kissing......i refer u 2 the nhs again who happen 2 back my argument up You have obviously forgotten my question. I asked if you kiss someone after oral sex." r u joking....this is the 3rd time....its doesnt make a difference...u might get it from the oral sex but not the kissing | |||
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"Still not answering my question I see. By the way, you can't get a STI by kissing if neither you or the person you kiss doesn't have one. I think the NHS website is saying that kissing isn't a STI. You can get one by kissing someone who is already infected, as we have been trying to tell you. i have anserd your question twice...lmao u ent anserd any of mine....no the nhs r sayin u can not catch a sti from kissing....it goes on 2 say how it is a safe way of being intimate...it doesnt matter if sum1 is infected or not its not transferd by kissing......i refer u 2 the nhs again who happen 2 back my argument up You have obviously forgotten my question. I asked if you kiss someone after oral sex. r u joking....this is the 3rd time....its doesnt make a difference...u might get it from the oral sex but not the kissing" Blinkin flip how hard is it to say yes or no? I asked if you kiss someone after oral sex. yes, or no! | |||
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"The websites you mentioned keep saying that sti's are spread through bodily fluids. What do you think saliva is? some one give me a link 2 repitable website that says kissing is a std risk.....or web address wotever google the centre for disease control. The US centre for disease research, you know, the guys i hazmat suits who deal with ebola and other nasty things. Yeah, seems they think that gonorrheacan breed in your mouth and can be spread by mouth contact. Sounds like kissing to me. they say that 2 cover there arse.....they also say its 99.98% that u wont.....so 4 all pratical purposes's its risk 3....every1 go 2 the nhs lifestly pages......yes thats rite the NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE.....they say and i quote "YOU CAR'NT GET AN STI FROM KISSING, BUT YOU CAN GET OR PASS A COLD SOR, SO AVOID KISSING IF EITHER OF YOU HAVE ONE" so the national health service agree with me.....eemmmmm iwonder who 2 belive you lot.....or the nhs....tough one....again thhat is nhs lifestyle kissing.....and dnt worry bout guys we all make mistakes "Yes you certainly do make mistakes! The CDC says, and I quote:- "Gonorrhea is spread through contact with the penis, vagina, mouth, or anus." and "The bacterium can also grow in the mouth, throat, eyes, and anus." They make absolutely no mention about about it being 99.98% not likely to catch it that way. zip, zero, nada! Tell me where, on the website of the Agency which is one of the leading disease research centres in the world it says what you are saying that they say. Betcha can't!! | |||
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"The websites you mentioned keep saying that sti's are spread through bodily fluids. What do you think saliva is? some one give me a link 2 repitable website that says kissing is a std risk.....or web address wotever google the centre for disease control. The US centre for disease research, you know, the guys i hazmat suits who deal with ebola and other nasty things. Yeah, seems they think that gonorrheacan breed in your mouth and can be spread by mouth contact. Sounds like kissing to me. they say that 2 cover there arse.....they also say its 99.98% that u wont.....so 4 all pratical purposes's its risk 3....every1 go 2 the nhs lifestly pages......yes thats rite the NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE.....they say and i quote "YOU CAR'NT GET AN STI FROM KISSING, BUT YOU CAN GET OR PASS A COLD SOR, SO AVOID KISSING IF EITHER OF YOU HAVE ONE" so the national health service agree with me.....eemmmmm iwonder who 2 belive you lot.....or the nhs....tough one....again thhat is nhs lifestyle kissing.....and dnt worry bout guys we all make mistakes
So there is a 0.02% risk of it happening, hmmmm still a risk then!
like i say 2 cover there arrse....they dnt say 100% cuz the reasearch would cost millions and it wud b a waste of money
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"The websites you mentioned keep saying that sti's are spread through bodily fluids. What do you think saliva is? some one give me a link 2 repitable website that says kissing is a std risk.....or web address wotever google the centre for disease control. The US centre for disease research, you know, the guys i hazmat suits who deal with ebola and other nasty things. Yeah, seems they think that gonorrheacan breed in your mouth and can be spread by mouth contact. Sounds like kissing to me. they say that 2 cover there arse.....they also say its 99.98% that u wont.....so 4 all pratical purposes's its risk 3....every1 go 2 the nhs lifestly pages......yes thats rite the NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE.....they say and i quote "YOU CAR'NT GET AN STI FROM KISSING, BUT YOU CAN GET OR PASS A COLD SOR, SO AVOID KISSING IF EITHER OF YOU HAVE ONE" so the national health service agree with me.....eemmmmm iwonder who 2 belive you lot.....or the nhs....tough one....again thhat is nhs lifestyle kissing.....and dnt worry bout guys we all make mistakes "I looked up that website giving advice to young people and you chose selective reporting back. You forgot the next paragraph which says when passion moves on from kissing (and quite rightly says you cant catch an sti from kissing alone) you CAN catch an STI from having oral sex. This article is aimed at young teens on their FIRST encounter. I can assure you there are no virgins on this site. You are reading an article that you should have read when you were 16 and applying it to adults who have been around the block. You need more mature reading not this teen help page from the NHS. | |||
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"The websites you mentioned keep saying that sti's are spread through bodily fluids. What do you think saliva is? some one give me a link 2 repitable website that says kissing is a std risk.....or web address wotever google the centre for disease control. The US centre for disease research, you know, the guys i hazmat suits who deal with ebola and other nasty things. Yeah, seems they think that gonorrheacan breed in your mouth and can be spread by mouth contact. Sounds like kissing to me. they say that 2 cover there arse.....they also say its 99.98% that u wont.....so 4 all pratical purposes's its risk 3....every1 go 2 the nhs lifestly pages......yes thats rite the NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE.....they say and i quote "YOU CAR'NT GET AN STI FROM KISSING, BUT YOU CAN GET OR PASS A COLD SOR, SO AVOID KISSING IF EITHER OF YOU HAVE ONE" so the national health service agree with me.....eemmmmm iwonder who 2 belive you lot.....or the nhs....tough one....again thhat is nhs lifestyle kissing.....and dnt worry bout guys we all make mistakes
Yes you certainly do make mistakes!
The CDC says, and I quote:-
"Gonorrhea is spread through contact with the penis, vagina, mouth, or anus."
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"The bacterium can also grow in the mouth, throat, eyes, and anus."
They make absolutely no mention about about it being 99.98% not likely to catch it that way. zip, zero, nada!
Tell me where, on the website of the Agency which is one of the leading disease research centres in the world it says what you are saying that they say.
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"dr edward hook.....just won the perrin award which is the top award in the world 4 sexual health reasearch.....google......put in kissing sti dr edward hook..........and just have a read about what he has 2 say about and i quote "DEEP FRENCH KISSING" he get quite annoyed with the person asking the question beacause apparently he gets asked it all the time when there is no risk......he goes on to say how even if you had gum disease the chances of gettin a std r beyond that of getting struck by lighting ....yet another expert who agrees with me.....so thats 2 of the best sexual infections experts in the world and the NHS...." I think youre influenced by what search result comes up from the net - I do not think that any of the people who you're quoting agree with you...... Many learned people can come up with theories - and be completely wrong. Youve read his theories - yet people on this website tell you of their REAL experiences and you dismiss them. Would it be better if we all added Dr or professor to the end of our names - cos believe me there are plenty of them who write on these forums. If you think you cant get a sexually transmitted disease from kissing then why worry yourself you have all the answers? Put your mouth anywhere you like you're DEAD safe. | |||
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"The websites you mentioned keep saying that sti's are spread through bodily fluids. What do you think saliva is? some one give me a link 2 repitable website that says kissing is a std risk.....or web address wotever google the centre for disease control. The US centre for disease research, you know, the guys i hazmat suits who deal with ebola and other nasty things. Yeah, seems they think that gonorrheacan breed in your mouth and can be spread by mouth contact. Sounds like kissing to me. they say that 2 cover there arse.....they also say its 99.98% that u wont.....so 4 all pratical purposes's its risk 3....every1 go 2 the nhs lifestly pages......yes thats rite the NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE.....they say and i quote "YOU CAR'NT GET AN STI FROM KISSING, BUT YOU CAN GET OR PASS A COLD SOR, SO AVOID KISSING IF EITHER OF YOU HAVE ONE" so the national health service agree with me.....eemmmmm iwonder who 2 belive you lot.....or the nhs....tough one....again thhat is nhs lifestyle kissing.....and dnt worry bout guys we all make mistakes
I looked up that website giving advice to young people and you chose selective reporting back. You forgot the next paragraph which says when passion moves on from kissing (and quite rightly says you cant catch an sti from kissing alone) you CAN catch an STI from having oral sex.
This article is aimed at young teens on their FIRST encounter.
I can assure you there are no virgins on this site. You are reading an article that you should have read when you were 16 and applying it to adults who have been around the block.
You need more mature reading not this teen help page from the NHS.
"please tell me your joking......it says how kissing is risk 3 but how it could lead 2 oral or full sex which isnt.....it doesnt say kissing is risky it says it leads 2 riskier thing......it states kissing is the safest form of intamicy.....just admit it im right.....4 god sake the evidence is there how cuz u posible misinterprate that article....its aimed at teen and u have misinterprited it ....lmao | |||
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"dr edward hook.....just won the perrin award which is the top award in the world 4 sexual health reasearch.....google......put in kissing sti dr edward hook..........and just have a read about what he has 2 say about and i quote "DEEP FRENCH KISSING" he get quite annoyed with the person asking the question beacause apparently he gets asked it all the time when there is no risk......he goes on to say how even if you had gum disease the chances of gettin a std r beyond that of getting struck by lighting ....yet another expert who agrees with me.....so thats 2 of the best sexual infections experts in the world and the NHS.... I think youre influenced by what search result comes up from the net - I do not think that any of the people who you're quoting agree with you...... Many learned people can come up with theories - and be completely wrong. Youve read his theories - yet people on this website tell you of their REAL experiences and you dismiss them. Would it be better if we all added Dr or professor to the end of our names - cos believe me there are plenty of them who write on these forums. If you think you cant get a sexually transmitted disease from kissing then why worry yourself you have all the answers? Put your mouth anywhere you like you're DEAD safe." oh my lordy lord you r joking....i havent looked at theories....ive gave sources from experts and the nhs....who dnt do thing by theories....they get there info from years and years and millions of pounds worth of reasearch.....lmao r u 4 real or is this a wind up | |||
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"dr edward hook.....just won the perrin award which is the top award in the world 4 sexual health reasearch.....google......put in kissing sti dr edward hook..........and just have a read about what he has 2 say about and i quote "DEEP FRENCH KISSING" he get quite annoyed with the person asking the question beacause apparently he gets asked it all the time when there is no risk......he goes on to say how even if you had gum disease the chances of gettin a std r beyond that of getting struck by lighting ....yet another expert who agrees with me.....so thats 2 of the best sexual infections experts in the world and the NHS...." First hit is Dr Hook banging on about HIV not being transmitted by kissing. I know that. I've already said that. Pity about all the other ones that can be spread by kissing - Genital herpes, syphilis, gonorrhea. Oh and NHS choices seems to agree with me as well:- NHS choices - Genital Herpes (type 2) Whenever HSV is present on the surface of your skin it can be passed on to a partner. The virus passes easily through the moist skin that lines your genitals, mouth and anus (the opening where solid waste leaves the body). NHS choices - gonorrhea The gonorrhoea bacteria can infect the vagina or penis and other places that come into contact with infected semen or vaginal fluid during sex. It can live inside the cells of the cervix (entrance to the womb), the urethra (tube where urine comes out), the rectum, the throat and, very occasionally, the eyes. Shall I continue? | |||
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"dr edward hook.....just won the perrin award which is the top award in the world 4 sexual health reasearch.....google......put in kissing sti dr edward hook..........and just have a read about what he has 2 say about and i quote "DEEP FRENCH KISSING" he get quite annoyed with the person asking the question beacause apparently he gets asked it all the time when there is no risk......he goes on to say how even if you had gum disease the chances of gettin a std r beyond that of getting struck by lighting ....yet another expert who agrees with me.....so thats 2 of the best sexual infections experts in the world and the NHS.... First hit is Dr Hook banging on about HIV not being transmitted by kissing. I know that. I've already said that. Pity about all the other ones that can be spread by kissing - Genital herpes, syphilis, gonorrhea. Oh and NHS choices seems to agree with me as well:- NHS choices - Genital Herpes (type 2) Whenever HSV is present on the surface of your skin it can be passed on to a partner. The virus passes easily through the moist skin that lines your genitals, mouth and anus (the opening where solid waste leaves the body). NHS choices - gonorrhea The gonorrhoea bacteria can infect the vagina or penis and other places that come into contact with infected semen or vaginal fluid during sex. It can live inside the cells of the cervix (entrance to the womb), the urethra (tube where urine comes out), the rectum, the throat and, very occasionally, the eyes. Shall I continue?" you are totally think hsv 2 is not a sti.....hsv 1 is...there different strains....so your wrong there....also ye it can gonerriha can get in the throat....through oral sex....not kissing....and if u kiss sum1 who has it in the throat u still wont get it.....please read your sources carfully...make sure u know what you onabout ....then call me thick....lmao.... | |||
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" I think youre influenced by what search result comes up from the net - I do not think that any of the people who you're quoting agree with you...... Many learned people can come up with theories - and be completely wrong. Youve read his theories - yet people on this website tell you of their REAL experiences and you dismiss them. " " oh my lordy lord you r joking....i havent looked at theories....ive gave sources from experts and the nhs....who dnt do thing by theories....they get there info from years and years and millions of pounds worth of reasearch.....lmao r u 4 real or is this a wind up" I'm actually going to have to agree with him on one thing here: anecdotal evidence doesn't count for much. The only evidence that can be used to prove something is evidence gathered under strictly controlled criteria. | |||
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" you are totally think hsv 2 is not a sti.....hsv 1 is...there different strains....so your wrong there....also ye it can gonerriha can get in the throat....through oral sex....not kissing....and if u kiss sum1 who has it in the throat u still wont get it.....please read your sources carfully...make sure u know what you onabout ....then call me thick....lmao...." NHS fucking Choices website:- Genital herpes is caused by the herpes simplex virus (HSV) type 1 or type 2. I think you might want to go back and check your facts. You are being a bit "think" yourself. CDC/NHS and Captain Hook:- HSV-1 - oral herpes HSV-2 - genital herpes | |||
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"in fact if u read it properly it back my argument up u silly billy.....it says it has 2 cum into contact with sperm or vaginal fluid......so kissing ent mentioned as a risk.....it can get in the throat through oral not kissing......isuggest u go 2 night school or sumthing bab cuz u ent the shapest knife....ha ha cheers 4 helping my argument" Of course trying to get personal "really" helps your argument. | |||
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"in fact if u read it properly it back my argument up u silly billy.....it says it has 2 cum into contact with sperm or vaginal fluid......so kissing ent mentioned as a risk.....it can get in the throat through oral not kissing......isuggest u go 2 night school or sumthing bab cuz u ent the shapest knife....ha ha cheers 4 helping my argument Of course trying to get personal "really" helps your argument. "m8 if u read up she says im as thick as a sack of shit b4 i say anything personal | |||
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" you are totally think hsv 2 is not a sti.....hsv 1 is...there different strains....so your wrong there....also ye it can gonerriha can get in the throat....through oral sex....not kissing....and if u kiss sum1 who has it in the throat u still wont get it.....please read your sources carfully...make sure u know what you onabout ....then call me thick....lmao.... NHS fucking Choices website:- Genital herpes is caused by the herpes simplex virus (HSV) type 1 or type 2. I think you might want to go back and check your facts. You are being a bit "think" yourself. CDC/NHS and Captain Hook:- HSV-1 - oral herpes HSV-2 - genital herpes " i gpt em the wrong way round whoppi doo stil proves my point about theres 2 different strains | |||
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"i know it's sad that ive been on here this long. but i really suffered with anxity.....4 about 4 months about hiv and other stuff.....i was told loads of stuff about how hiv takes six months 2 show.....and other bollocks.....but then i was obssessed i read about it everyday i got checked 4 everything 4 times, i asked so maney stupid questions......like fingering risk.....and kissing.....i started reasearching after a couple of months i started 2 know the good sources from the bad.....i started 2 properly learn.....i phoned nhs direct nearly everyday....i went my dr's i went 2 a councerlor.....i was convinced i had HIV.....but i never it was all anxiety....it was horrible.....and thats y i was so passionate about this....cuz it will effect peoples lives by making them worry when they dont need 2.....i got told hiv testing was 6 months....which it was 5 years ago....now with the 4th gen duo test its 99% at 5 weeks....the standar 3rd gen antibody test is 6-8 weeks.....i got tested out 2 12 weeks cuz i was so nervous but my gum dr said the 12 week test was unessersary.....it ruined my hole life for 4 months.....so i know kissing ent a risk....oral sex is a tiny risk as well...stil a risk but very small....but kissing is risk 3, i know 4 a fact i asked 4 dr's my gp....gum in birmingham gum in preston and a brook clinic.... i asked nhs direct....i asked every1 kissing fingering....all non risk....u can get hsv but the genital strain is different....u can get other things from kissing but not STD'S....you have 2 have either sex or oral sex to get a sexual transmited disease.....not by kissing....i promise....i wudnt go on 4 so long if i didnt know 4 a fact.....i dnt just go round cousing row's...specially on here....i know im a easy target....im new i dnt no no1 and im a young single male....we have 2 giv impecable impressions 2 get anything on here...so i promise i know 4 a fact.....thats why people who are not sexually active do not get std's" Ok if ya had said that before i would have understood your fears and taken them into consideration I understand more now and im sorry i was so harsh Mate life is a gamble and we are all at risk everyday I would however question the fact that you are on a swinging site with anxiety about stis as obviously as important to you as they are Good luck with it and i for one apologise i just thought you were being the "Im right and fuck you" but now i understand why you are so passionate about it Take care Craig xx | |||
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"I take it you missed my post earlier or chose to ignore it cause it proves you wrong so here it is again Ok two mins on google and i found at least 10 sites proving you wrong Heres one link http://www.articledoctor.com/diseases-stds/can-you-get-an-std-from-kissing-1038 OBTW DONT call me a liar cause i aint my mate really is my GUM doctor and if ya wants proof then mail me ok" soapy i take it u didnt read that article properly, cuz it clearly states how the only risk is herpes and we have already discoverd thats 2 different strains.....so if u do actually read that article it tells u how kissing is risk 3 but kising the genital area (a.k.a) oral sex is not so cheers 4 helping me out m8 | |||
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"i know it's sad that ive been on here this long. but i really suffered with anxity.....4 about 4 months about hiv and other stuff.....i was told loads of stuff about how hiv takes six months 2 show.....and other bollocks.....but then i was obssessed i read about it everyday i got checked 4 everything 4 times, i asked so maney stupid questions......like fingering risk.....and kissing.....i started reasearching after a couple of months i started 2 know the good sources from the bad.....i started 2 properly learn.....i phoned nhs direct nearly everyday....i went my dr's i went 2 a councerlor.....i was convinced i had HIV.....but i never it was all anxiety....it was horrible.....and thats y i was so passionate about this....cuz it will effect peoples lives by making them worry when they dont need 2.....i got told hiv testing was 6 months....which it was 5 years ago....now with the 4th gen duo test its 99% at 5 weeks....the standar 3rd gen antibody test is 6-8 weeks.....i got tested out 2 12 weeks cuz i was so nervous but my gum dr said the 12 week test was unessersary.....it ruined my hole life for 4 months.....so i know kissing ent a risk....oral sex is a tiny risk as well...stil a risk but very small....but kissing is risk 3, i know 4 a fact i asked 4 dr's my gp....gum in birmingham gum in preston and a brook clinic.... i asked nhs direct....i asked every1 kissing fingering....all non risk....u can get hsv but the genital strain is different....u can get other things from kissing but not STD'S....you have 2 have either sex or oral sex to get a sexual transmited disease.....not by kissing....i promise....i wudnt go on 4 so long if i didnt know 4 a fact.....i dnt just go round cousing row's...specially on here....i know im a easy target....im new i dnt no no1 and im a young single male....we have 2 giv impecable impressions 2 get anything on here...so i promise i know 4 a fact.....thats why people who are not sexually active do not get std's Ok if ya had said that before i would have understood your fears and taken them into consideration I understand more now and im sorry i was so harsh Mate life is a gamble and we are all at risk everyday I would however question the fact that you are on a swinging site with anxiety about stis as obviously as important to you as they are Good luck with it and i for one apologise i just thought you were being the "Im right and fuck you" but now i understand why you are so passionate about it Take care Craig xx" i did say it earlier.....also beacause of the knowledge i got from that experince im much more relaxed about std's.....but honest m8 if u read this thread i didnt say anything personal 2 any1....i just dissagreed and people didnt like it.....ive sourced info from reliable sources.....and ive picked holes in other people sources.....the evidence agrees with me but nobody is prepared 2 admit it.....cuz they havent got the knowledge igot on the subject..... | |||
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"i know it's sad that ive been on here this long. but i really suffered with anxity.....4 about 4 months about hiv and other stuff.....i was told loads of stuff about how hiv takes six months 2 show.....and other bollocks.....but then i was obssessed i read about it everyday i got checked 4 everything 4 times, i asked so maney stupid questions......like fingering risk.....and kissing.....i started reasearching after a couple of months i started 2 know the good sources from the bad.....i started 2 properly learn.....i phoned nhs direct nearly everyday....i went my dr's i went 2 a councerlor.....i was convinced i had HIV.....but i never it was all anxiety....it was horrible.....and thats y i was so passionate about this....cuz it will effect peoples lives by making them worry when they dont need 2.....i got told hiv testing was 6 months....which it was 5 years ago....now with the 4th gen duo test its 99% at 5 weeks....the standar 3rd gen antibody test is 6-8 weeks.....i got tested out 2 12 weeks cuz i was so nervous but my gum dr said the 12 week test was unessersary.....it ruined my hole life for 4 months.....so i know kissing ent a risk....oral sex is a tiny risk as well...stil a risk but very small....but kissing is risk 3, i know 4 a fact i asked 4 dr's my gp....gum in birmingham gum in preston and a brook clinic.... i asked nhs direct....i asked every1 kissing fingering....all non risk....u can get hsv but the genital strain is different....u can get other things from kissing but not STD'S....you have 2 have either sex or oral sex to get a sexual transmited disease.....not by kissing....i promise....i wudnt go on 4 so long if i didnt know 4 a fact.....i dnt just go round cousing row's...specially on here....i know im a easy target....im new i dnt no no1 and im a young single male....we have 2 giv impecable impressions 2 get anything on here...so i promise i know 4 a fact.....thats why people who are not sexually active do not get std's Ok if ya had said that before i would have understood your fears and taken them into consideration I understand more now and im sorry i was so harsh Mate life is a gamble and we are all at risk everyday I would however question the fact that you are on a swinging site with anxiety about stis as obviously as important to you as they are Good luck with it and i for one apologise i just thought you were being the "Im right and fuck you" but now i understand why you are so passionate about it Take care Craig xx i did say it earlier.....also beacause of the knowledge i got from that experince im much more relaxed about std's.....but honest m8 if u read this thread i didnt say anything personal 2 any1....i just dissagreed and people didnt like it.....ive sourced info from reliable sources.....and ive picked holes in other people sources.....the evidence agrees with me but nobody is prepared 2 admit it.....cuz they havent got the knowledge igot on the subject....." I never said i agreed with you I still don't I just realise why you are so passionate about it Knowledge and experience? ok I started swinging when i was 17 it happened through my bi side that's nearly thirty years ago now You are 22 mate so Ive been swinging for 8 years longer than you have lived that's my experience My knowledge stems from the fact that i know most aspects of my hobby very well plus as i said one of my friends is my GUM doctor if you choose not to believe this then fine i don't really care and i don't justify myself to anyone never have never will Im bi sexual and i prefer bare back sex not many admit to that but i do cause ta be truthful i don't care what others think about it or judge me However as ya might have gathered i take an interest in my sexual health and always have I have been going to GUM clinics before you were born and know an awful lot about sexual health as like i said its important to me (oh and i have NEVER had an sti in my life btw ) I will finish by saying you have a right to believe what you want to believe i just find it strange that you argue on things that are not factual I agree there is very little risk of stis being transmitted through kissing but it has and does happen That's my last word on it Take care | |||
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"i know it's sad that ive been on here this long. but i really suffered with anxity.....4 about 4 months about hiv and other stuff.....i was told loads of stuff about how hiv takes six months 2 show.....and other bollocks.....but then i was obssessed i read about it everyday i got checked 4 everything 4 times, i asked so maney stupid questions......like fingering risk.....and kissing.....i started reasearching after a couple of months i started 2 know the good sources from the bad.....i started 2 properly learn.....i phoned nhs direct nearly everyday....i went my dr's i went 2 a councerlor.....i was convinced i had HIV.....but i never it was all anxiety....it was horrible.....and thats y i was so passionate about this....cuz it will effect peoples lives by making them worry when they dont need 2.....i got told hiv testing was 6 months....which it was 5 years ago....now with the 4th gen duo test its 99% at 5 weeks....the standar 3rd gen antibody test is 6-8 weeks.....i got tested out 2 12 weeks cuz i was so nervous but my gum dr said the 12 week test was unessersary.....it ruined my hole life for 4 months.....so i know kissing ent a risk....oral sex is a tiny risk as well...stil a risk but very small....but kissing is risk 3, i know 4 a fact i asked 4 dr's my gp....gum in birmingham gum in preston and a brook clinic.... i asked nhs direct....i asked every1 kissing fingering....all non risk....u can get hsv but the genital strain is different....u can get other things from kissing but not STD'S....you have 2 have either sex or oral sex to get a sexual transmited disease.....not by kissing....i promise....i wudnt go on 4 so long if i didnt know 4 a fact.....i dnt just go round cousing row's...specially on here....i know im a easy target....im new i dnt no no1 and im a young single male....we have 2 giv impecable impressions 2 get anything on here...so i promise i know 4 a fact.....thats why people who are not sexually active do not get std's Ok if ya had said that before i would have understood your fears and taken them into consideration I understand more now and im sorry i was so harsh Mate life is a gamble and we are all at risk everyday I would however question the fact that you are on a swinging site with anxiety about stis as obviously as important to you as they are Good luck with it and i for one apologise i just thought you were being the "Im right and fuck you" but now i understand why you are so passionate about it Take care Craig xx i did say it earlier.....also beacause of the knowledge i got from that experince im much more relaxed about std's.....but honest m8 if u read this thread i didnt say anything personal 2 any1....i just dissagreed and people didnt like it.....ive sourced info from reliable sources.....and ive picked holes in other people sources.....the evidence agrees with me but nobody is prepared 2 admit it.....cuz they havent got the knowledge igot on the subject..... I never said i agreed with you I still don't I just realise why you are so passionate about it Knowledge and experience? ok I started swinging when i was 17 it happened through my bi side that's nearly thirty years ago now You are 22 mate so Ive been swinging for 8 years longer than you have lived that's my experience My knowledge stems from the fact that i know most aspects of my hobby very well plus as i said one of my friends is my GUM doctor if you choose not to believe this then fine i don't really care and i don't justify myself to anyone never have never will Im bi sexual and i prefer bare back sex not many admit to that but i do cause ta be truthful i don't care what others think about it or judge me However as ya might have gathered i take an interest in my sexual health and always have I have been going to GUM clinics before you were born and know an awful lot about sexual health as like i said its important to me (oh and i have NEVER had an sti in my life btw ) I will finish by saying you have a right to believe what you want to believe i just find it strange that you argue on things that are not factual I agree there is very little risk of stis being transmitted through kissing but it has and does happen That's my last word on it Take care " so are you just disragarding the evidence i put up the so clearly backed my case.....the stuff from world leading experts and the nhs.....and r u standing by the evidence u provided which said herpes which we already knew has 2 different strains.....ok no probs | |||
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" so are you just disragarding the evidence i put up the so clearly backed my case.....the stuff from world leading experts and the nhs.....and r u standing by the evidence u provided which said herpes which we already knew has 2 different strains.....ok no probs" Are you even replying to the right person at this point? But anyway. All the sites you told us about; The NHS, those 2 doctors etc. when read carefully and in detail - your proofs of your argument pretty much said the opposite of what you are saying at best and at the worst didn't say half of what you are saying. And I'm really not getting where you are going with the Herpes thing. As you have said there are two sorts, I've said there are two sorts, the NHS say there is two sorts, the CDC say there is two sorts and I'm sure your two uber-doctors will say there are two sorts as well. | |||
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"i know it's sad that ive been on here this long. but i really suffered with anxity.....4 about 4 months about hiv and other stuff.....i was told loads of stuff about how hiv takes six months 2 show.....and other bollocks.....but then i was obssessed i read about it everyday i got checked 4 everything 4 times, i asked so maney stupid questions......like fingering risk.....and kissing.....i started reasearching after a couple of months i started 2 know the good sources from the bad.....i started 2 properly learn.....i phoned nhs direct nearly everyday....i went my dr's i went 2 a councerlor.....i was convinced i had HIV.....but i never it was all anxiety....it was horrible.....and thats y i was so passionate about this....cuz it will effect peoples lives by making them worry when they dont need 2.....i got told hiv testing was 6 months....which it was 5 years ago....now with the 4th gen duo test its 99% at 5 weeks....the standar 3rd gen antibody test is 6-8 weeks.....i got tested out 2 12 weeks cuz i was so nervous but my gum dr said the 12 week test was unessersary.....it ruined my hole life for 4 months.....so i know kissing ent a risk....oral sex is a tiny risk as well...stil a risk but very small....but kissing is risk 3, i know 4 a fact i asked 4 dr's my gp....gum in birmingham gum in preston and a brook clinic.... i asked nhs direct....i asked every1 kissing fingering....all non risk....u can get hsv but the genital strain is different....u can get other things from kissing but not STD'S....you have 2 have either sex or oral sex to get a sexual transmited disease.....not by kissing....i promise....i wudnt go on 4 so long if i didnt know 4 a fact.....i dnt just go round cousing row's...specially on here....i know im a easy target....im new i dnt no no1 and im a young single male....we have 2 giv impecable impressions 2 get anything on here...so i promise i know 4 a fact.....thats why people who are not sexually active do not get std's Ok if ya had said that before i would have understood your fears and taken them into consideration I understand more now and im sorry i was so harsh Mate life is a gamble and we are all at risk everyday I would however question the fact that you are on a swinging site with anxiety about stis as obviously as important to you as they are Good luck with it and i for one apologise i just thought you were being the "Im right and fuck you" but now i understand why you are so passionate about it Take care Craig xx i did say it earlier.....also beacause of the knowledge i got from that experince im much more relaxed about std's.....but honest m8 if u read this thread i didnt say anything personal 2 any1....i just dissagreed and people didnt like it.....ive sourced info from reliable sources.....and ive picked holes in other people sources.....the evidence agrees with me but nobody is prepared 2 admit it.....cuz they havent got the knowledge igot on the subject....." I have to apologise too, I did not see this post and the response. I agree with Soapy that if you suffer from this degree of paranoia then swinging is not the best place for you. When I suggested you speak to nursing staff for information, I did not realise that you had been ringing NHS direct lines and going to GPs convinced you were suffering from infection. I am not a mental health nurse and I do not have knowledge on anxiety disorders. It is clear from your honest response about your obsession with medical websites, telephone calls to medical professionals and the amount of posts on this thread that you have issues in relation to the spread of infection, which may or may not be a healthy passion for knowledge | |||
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"so are you just disragarding the evidence i put up the so clearly backed my case.....the stuff from world leading experts and the nhs....." Yet earlier you told someone "well your nurse is wrong" Must be difficult not knowing who to trust! 
I think the message we all need to take from this is to look after ourselves & be regularly tested.
& always seek advice & answers from medical PROFESSIONALS & not to self diagnose.
If in any doubt get yourself to a GUM clinic....they're not that bad. They are there for a reason, so use them!
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"That is exactly what I was trying to get at really by starting this post!!" i hope you have opend some peoples eyes and thay now go for there MOT you need as i say a pat on the back as cant have been easy being so open telling people . Most would cover it up. | |||
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"That is exactly what I was trying to get at really by starting this post!! i hope you have opend some peoples eyes and thay now go for there MOT you need as i say a pat on the back as cant have been easy being so open telling people . Most would cover it up." +1 Yeah hats off to you for being so honest. It's a good reminder...shame the thread got hijacked somewhat! | |||
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" m8 if u read up she says im as thick as a sack of shit b4 i say anything personal So if you are really trying to get your message across, why stoop to her level? Take the high moral ground." I said bucket of shite. If you're going to quote me get it right. Said in exasperation after watching dozens of people giving anecdotes, advice, counter quotes, concern and not one of their responses being acknowledged by this guy but being denied and supported by internet pages being misinterpreted and taken as gospel. Whatever level you have pigeon-holed me into I think the only label I accept is stupidity for trying to reason with someone who was not in the state of mind to take anything onboard. If you see my level as being concerned well that will be a miracle because its easier to condemn from one tiny sketch in a great big picture. Its the first time I have ever sworn at anyone on this forum. | |||
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"No, that's precisely what the nurse said, when they say kissing, they do not mean deep kissing, they mean just a peck on the lips..." You can not catch most of the nasty std's by just a peck on the lips, but you can catch herpes from just that. All the other major ones has to be over a period of time and amont os sperm in the mouth befor you actually catch owt from oral sex. I know this because a job i once had i had to go on a course about drugs and sex, so believe me your fairly safe from a peck on the lips other than herpes of course | |||
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"jesus, what is this guy on?????? how dare he say the OP is lying?? think he seriously needs to get a grip or be banned from this thread sheesh
do you seriusly belive you can catch std's by kissing....virgins would have std's...11 year old would have std's.....if you could the would be called std's...they would just be called infections.....there called std's cuz u get them by having sex....the flu isnt an std beacause you can get it without having sex....but ghoneria is called an std cuz u have 2 have sex 2 get it.....kissing is a std safe zone...absolute fact....if you could catch std's by kissing then the nhs would have posters round school and that saying dont kiss....its just unbelivable that ur even suggesting im wrong.....have u all lost your minds...."so your saying that if a person with hiv or aids that has bleeding gums kisses someone who also has an open wound of some type in their mouths, they would never ever catch anything? | |||
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"so are you just disragarding the evidence i put up the so clearly backed my case.....the stuff from world leading experts and the nhs..... Yet earlier you told someone "well your nurse is wrong" Must be difficult not knowing who to trust!
I think the message we all need to take from this is to look after ourselves & be regularly tested.
& always seek advice & answers from medical PROFESSIONALS & not to self diagnose.
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"I don't see the point in not being open and honest. I think I have been desperately unlucky to get this but it has thrown me for a complete loop. I would not undo all my swinging experiences but am now too wary to continue...." The question is .. do you know who gave it to you... this is the trouble you cant see it..hope he gets treated too . will this put you off kissing people in future ? | |||
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Look, To everyone who is telling this guy he is wrong ... He knows he is wrong but has gone way too far with his argument!
The whole forum is against what he says so its hard to come back now and admit his info is a load of crap hahaha | |||
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