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"Who won't be getting vaccinated, either in the near future, or at all?" Why ? Will it affect your decision ? | |||
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"Not yet sure.. Need to see more information .." I hope you find it There's very good article with a good bit of detail on each of the vaccine trials but I don't think it's on the fab link approved list as it's genuine. | |||
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"by the time it gets round to my turn i should imagine if there are any nasty side effects they would of shown themselves.so if its all good i will be rolling my sleeve up.if there are problems with it i wont be" That's part of my thinking too albeit it will be a bit sooner than yourself.. The oh is a nurse and is 50/50.. | |||
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"by the time it gets round to my turn i should imagine if there are any nasty side effects they would of shown themselves.so if its all good i will be rolling my sleeve up.if there are problems with it i wont be"  | |||
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"Not yet sure.. Need to see more information .. I hope you find it There's very good article with a good bit of detail on each of the vaccine trials but I don't think it's on the fab link approved list as it's genuine." To be clear are you saying fab dont let you post links that you state are genuine? Please explain | |||
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"Who won't be getting vaccinated, either in the near future, or at all? Why ? Will it affect your decision ?" Not at all. My question was because it's been portrayed as the answer to everything, but I believe it's only going to work if a high enough percentage of people have it. I was just asking who, if anyone had already decided they weren't going to get vaccinated. | |||
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"Its the legal immunity of tbis vaccination tbat concerns me " Can you explain further please? | |||
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"You DNA will be altered and we'll be turned into lizards" We can only get that benefit from 1 of the more expensive ones via special private clinics | |||
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"Being purely selfish I want it to be thoroughly tested and side effects to be thoroughly investigated before I would even consider it. For a tried and tested vaccine on a health side I would rather the vulnerable have it first then me as they are more susceptible to covid complications so there is enough vaccine to go around. That would change as I got older though." It has been thoroughly tested. | |||
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"I work for a funeral service on night shifts, our company are trying to encourage the staff to have it. But considering the amount of unfortunate deaths over the last few months, I’ve been lucky enough and fortunate enough to be tested for COVID on a weekly basis. As regards of the vaccine, I don’t much trust it ? Like the numbers they are coming out with people who have had it, I want to know the big details, who they tested, previously having COVID? Have COVID currently ? Fit and healthy? Health conditions & overweight ? Until they give factual numbers out and it looks legit then I may just consider it! " Do you think you are really in the position to make an informed decision on all the facts and figures that the experts can provide you with? They will have taken a representative range of people in their trials and analysed groups etc. They have trialled on those who have had covid. There must be around 100k people who have had one of the 3 vaccines. No serious side effects. | |||
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"I work for a funeral service on night shifts, our company are trying to encourage the staff to have it. But considering the amount of unfortunate deaths over the last few months, I’ve been lucky enough and fortunate enough to be tested for COVID on a weekly basis. As regards of the vaccine, I don’t much trust it ? Like the numbers they are coming out with people who have had it, I want to know the big details, who they tested, previously having COVID? Have COVID currently ? Fit and healthy? Health conditions & overweight ? Until they give factual numbers out and it looks legit then I may just consider it! Do you think you are really in the position to make an informed decision on all the facts and figures that the experts can provide you with? They will have taken a representative range of people in their trials and analysed groups etc. They have trialled on those who have had covid. There must be around 100k people who have had one of the 3 vaccines. No serious side effects." So why isn’t that information public knowledge? And what’s the long term side effects. | |||
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"Not yet sure.. Need to see more information .. I hope you find it There's very good article with a good bit of detail on each of the vaccine trials but I don't think it's on the fab link approved list as it's genuine. To be clear are you saying fab dont let you post links that you state are genuine? Please explain" You can't post links to medical or scientific information or you'll get a ban unfortunately. | |||
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"I work for a funeral service on night shifts, our company are trying to encourage the staff to have it. But considering the amount of unfortunate deaths over the last few months, I’ve been lucky enough and fortunate enough to be tested for COVID on a weekly basis. As regards of the vaccine, I don’t much trust it ? Like the numbers they are coming out with people who have had it, I want to know the big details, who they tested, previously having COVID? Have COVID currently ? Fit and healthy? Health conditions & overweight ? Until they give factual numbers out and it looks legit then I may just consider it! Do you think you are really in the position to make an informed decision on all the facts and figures that the experts can provide you with? They will have taken a representative range of people in their trials and analysed groups etc. They have trialled on those who have had covid. There must be around 100k people who have had one of the 3 vaccines. No serious side effects. So why isn’t that information public knowledge? And what’s the long term side effects. " The information is there, unfortunately if you're unable to find it then you'll definitely not understand it. | |||
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"Anyone interested in listening to experts talk about the vaccine and answer your questions there is a webinar at 4pm. If you have the Zoe app for reporting your symptoms on a daily basis, there is a link to Zoom. Otherwise you can watch it via YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCa09am-cOsC-FSgr_nLkFFA/ The Zoe Covid-19 app has lots of useful links to how the research is going and you can contribute to it, just by reporting how you feel on a daily basis. It contributes to the modelling of the pandemic." The agenda and speakers are Topic Ask the Experts: COVID-19 Vaccines Description Speakers: Professor Tim Spector, OBE Professor Peter Openshaw, Professor of Experimental Medicine at Imperial College London As governments prepare to roll out COVID-19 vaccination programmes, we ask: How safe are the vaccines? Will they really work? How might vaccination affect different people? Is there any point if you’ve already had COVID? And more. | |||
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"by the time it gets round to my turn i should imagine if there are any nasty side effects they would of shown themselves.so if its all good i will be rolling my sleeve up.if there are problems with it i wont be" Yep, not something most of us need to decide on for quite a while so not worth worrying about. | |||
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"I work for a funeral service on night shifts, our company are trying to encourage the staff to have it. But considering the amount of unfortunate deaths over the last few months, I’ve been lucky enough and fortunate enough to be tested for COVID on a weekly basis. As regards of the vaccine, I don’t much trust it ? Like the numbers they are coming out with people who have had it, I want to know the big details, who they tested, previously having COVID? Have COVID currently ? Fit and healthy? Health conditions & overweight ? Until they give factual numbers out and it looks legit then I may just consider it! Do you think you are really in the position to make an informed decision on all the facts and figures that the experts can provide you with? They will have taken a representative range of people in their trials and analysed groups etc. They have trialled on those who have had covid. There must be around 100k people who have had one of the 3 vaccines. No serious side effects." I'm definitely not in a position. I've got some rudimentary stats education and my post-16 education has been mostly in the humanities. Fortunately I know where to find good sources of science communication and education who I understand. I go from there. | |||
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"I put my name forward as a volunteer so it's a moot question. Someone has to do it " Me too. | |||
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"We could well be faced with a situation in the not too distant future where other countries won’t allow you to visit without an approved vaccination certificate. Just wondering. " I think I heard that Australia is already wanting vaccination certificates to enter. I will hold out for a while about getting vaccinated myself. I won't be offered it for a while anyway, but I'm I'm happy to wait until I feel it really is holding me back from doing things I want, too much to wait any longer. I would rather just let my body do its own thing and and develop its own natural immunity but I feel it's something we are all going to have to do one way or another in the end unless medically exempt. | |||
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"We could well be faced with a situation in the not too distant future where other countries won’t allow you to visit without an approved vaccination certificate. Just wondering. " We still get up to date on certain jabs if we travel to far flung places, this will just be the same.. Perhaps more importantly will be the fact that travel insurance will insist upon it I reckon . | |||
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"We could well be faced with a situation in the not too distant future where other countries won’t allow you to visit without an approved vaccination certificate. Just wondering. " Highly likely | |||
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"by the time it gets round to my turn i should imagine if there are any nasty side effects they would of shown themselves.so if its all good i will be rolling my sleeve up.if there are problems with it i wont be" I'll assume you're assuming when it gets round to you it might be the year 2035?  | |||
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"Qantas has just announced it will require a vaccination certificate to travel internationally. On a personal note, if you hookup with someone, having never had the vaccine, IMHO that's pretty much the same as not telling someone you may or may not have an STD. Or you don't use a condom... I won't be meeting anyone who hasn't been vaccinated. Just as I wouldn't meet someone who doesn't practice safe sex." And you'll insist on seeing their vaccination certificate first? | |||
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"And you'll insist on seeing their vaccination certificate first? " Until the W.H.O. says that the virus is under control, YES. | |||
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"100% I will and will be actively encouraging everyone I know to get it as well... there is literally zero reason NOT to get it. " Exactly. People who refuse the vaccine are either operating on false information, or refusing out of pure Ego. | |||
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"No, as I don't want this particular vaccine. This is no way means I'm anti vax, so please don't confuse the two things. I also don't feel the need to justify my choices either." I'm expecting this vaccine to become compulsory like the MMR. What will you do then? | |||
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"No, as I don't want this particular vaccine. This is no way means I'm anti vax, so please don't confuse the two things. I also don't feel the need to justify my choices either." Exactly! I've allways had the lot flu pneumonia but this is one I will not b having!x | |||
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"Qantas has just announced it will require a vaccination certificate to travel internationally. On a personal note, if you hookup with someone, having never had the vaccine, IMHO that's pretty much the same as not telling someone you may or may not have an STD. Or you don't use a condom... I won't be meeting anyone who hasn't been vaccinated. Just as I wouldn't meet someone who doesn't practice safe sex."  x | |||
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"Exactly! I've allways had the lot flu pneumonia but this is one I will not b having!x" This is not Flu. This is on par with polio and measles. It will not 'die off' without a vaccine. And people still die from Measles but much less because of the vaccine. Real hard Immunity is achieved through EVERYONE being vaccinated, as there is ZERO natural immunity | |||
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"Exactly! I've allways had the lot flu pneumonia but this is one I will not b having!x This is not Flu. This is on par with polio and measles. It will not 'die off' without a vaccine. And people still die from Measles but much less because of the vaccine. Real hard Immunity is achieved through EVERYONE being vaccinated, as there is ZERO natural immunity" I never said it was flu! I said I have vaccines! Was pointing out I will not b having this one despite being asthmatic/diabetic and 63 ! X | |||
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"No, as I don't want this particular vaccine. This is no way means I'm anti vax, so please don't confuse the two things. I also don't feel the need to justify my choices either. I'm expecting this vaccine to become compulsory like the MMR. What will you do then?" MMR is not compulsory. | |||
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"Exactly! I've allways had the lot flu pneumonia but this is one I will not b having!x This is not Flu. This is on par with polio and measles. It will not 'die off' without a vaccine. And people still die from Measles but much less because of the vaccine. Real hard Immunity is achieved through EVERYONE being vaccinated, as there is ZERO natural immunity" What on earth are you on about? No natural immunity? Who told you that ? That's two threads you have said this on now. | |||
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"Who won't be getting vaccinated, either in the near future, or at all?" Me neither Hun, my fear is in years to come there will be nasty side effects because it's been rushed! X | |||
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"No, as I don't want this particular vaccine. This is no way means I'm anti vax, so please don't confuse the two things. I also don't feel the need to justify my choices either. I'm expecting this vaccine to become compulsory like the MMR. What will you do then?MMR is not compulsory. "No its deffo not compulsory! And spose I shall have to go underground! Lol x | |||
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"No, as I don't want this particular vaccine. This is no way means I'm anti vax, so please don't confuse the two things. I also don't feel the need to justify my choices either. I'm expecting this vaccine to become compulsory like the MMR. What will you do then?MMR is not compulsory.
No its deffo not compulsory! And spose I shall have to go underground! Lol x"I'll come join you lol. It would violate human rights laws to make it mandatory. | |||
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"100% I will and will be actively encouraging everyone I know to get it as well... there is literally zero reason NOT to get it. Exactly. People who refuse the vaccine are either operating on false information, or refusing out of pure Ego." There's no guarantee of no side effects in the future, it's been rushed that what concerns me | |||
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"100% I will and will be actively encouraging everyone I know to get it as well... there is literally zero reason NOT to get it. Exactly. People who refuse the vaccine are either operating on false information, or refusing out of pure Ego. There's no guarantee of no side effects in the future, it's been rushed that what concerns me " | |||
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"Who won't be getting vaccinated, either in the near future, or at all? Me neither Hun, my fear is in years to come there will be nasty side effects because it's been rushed! X" Which aspects of the development and trials are different and so could have an effect? If the other vaccines had been done with the funding of the 3 today, what would the results and process have been? Would you have those? | |||
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"Its the legal immunity of tbis vaccination tbat concerns me Can you explain further please?" The developers of this vaccine have asked for legal immunity, so when after say ten years or so there are serious side effects nobody can be sued. imagine our future generation having serious illnesses due to this vaccine,, no job no money forced to live on benefitss if there is any tax payers money left of course, and prevented from suing the vaccine manufacturers. There is a reason why they want legal immunity for this vaccine | |||
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"100% I will and will be actively encouraging everyone I know to get it as well... there is literally zero reason NOT to get it. Exactly. People who refuse the vaccine are either operating on false information, or refusing out of pure Ego. There's no guarantee of no side effects in the future, it's been rushed that what concerns me " I don't think you can sue pharmaceutical companies either, so if you grow another head then as a side effect, then on your heads be it | |||
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"No, as I don't want this particular vaccine. This is no way means I'm anti vax, so please don't confuse the two things. I also don't feel the need to justify my choices either. I'm expecting this vaccine to become compulsory like the MMR. What will you do then?MMR is not compulsory.
No its deffo not compulsory! And spose I shall have to go underground! Lol x
I'll come join you lol. It would violate human rights laws to make it mandatory. " but I think they will try sadly x | |||
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"No, as I don't want this particular vaccine. This is no way means I'm anti vax, so please don't confuse the two things. I also don't feel the need to justify my choices either. I'm expecting this vaccine to become compulsory like the MMR. What will you do then?MMR is not compulsory.
No its deffo not compulsory! And spose I shall have to go underground! Lol x
I'll come join you lol. It would violate human rights laws to make it mandatory.
but I think they will try sadly x"Johnson said yesterday that Vaccines will not be mandatory as it is not the way we do it in this country. | |||
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"No, as I don't want this particular vaccine. This is no way means I'm anti vax, so please don't confuse the two things. I also don't feel the need to justify my choices either. I'm expecting this vaccine to become compulsory like the MMR. What will you do then?MMR is not compulsory.
No its deffo not compulsory! And spose I shall have to go underground! Lol x
I'll come join you lol. It would violate human rights laws to make it mandatory.
but I think they will try sadly x
Johnson said yesterday that Vaccines will not be mandatory as it is not the way we do it in this country." x | |||
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"No, as I don't want this particular vaccine. This is no way means I'm anti vax, so please don't confuse the two things. I also don't feel the need to justify my choices either. I'm expecting this vaccine to become compulsory like the MMR. What will you do then?MMR is not compulsory.
No its deffo not compulsory! And spose I shall have to go underground! Lol x
I'll come join you lol. It would violate human rights laws to make it mandatory.
but I think they will try sadly x
Johnson said yesterday that Vaccines will not be mandatory as it is not the way we do it in this country."He's an idiot, he's on now answering starmers questions, or not as the case maybe | |||
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"No, as I don't want this particular vaccine. This is no way means I'm anti vax, so please don't confuse the two things. I also don't feel the need to justify my choices either. I'm expecting this vaccine to become compulsory like the MMR. What will you do then?MMR is not compulsory.
No its deffo not compulsory! And spose I shall have to go underground! Lol x
I'll come join you lol. It would violate human rights laws to make it mandatory.
but I think they will try sadly x
Johnson said yesterday that Vaccines will not be mandatory as it is not the way we do it in this country."After an FOI request to the government, they confirmed the vaccinations will not be compulsory. I also asked how the government informed the virus that the clocks went back one hour so as not to infect us after nine o clock when it thought it was ten o clock, tbdy couldn't answer that question | |||
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"And you'll insist on seeing their vaccination certificate first? Until the W.H.O. says that the virus is under control, YES. "Well WHO doesn't think that masks, social distancing and lockdowns work | |||
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"100% I will and will be actively encouraging everyone I know to get it as well... there is literally zero reason NOT to get it. " That's only your opinion. There are people about that can and will have serious side effects | |||
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"No, as I don't want this particular vaccine. This is no way means I'm anti vax, so please don't confuse the two things. I also don't feel the need to justify my choices either. I'm expecting this vaccine to become compulsory like the MMR. What will you do then?" Don't think it is compulsory yet but I may be wrong but there are very serious side effects on a small number of children and even if it's one life, is that acceptable? | |||
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"100% I will and will be actively encouraging everyone I know to get it as well... there is literally zero reason NOT to get it. Exactly. People who refuse the vaccine are either operating on false information, or refusing out of pure Ego. There's no guarantee of no side effects in the future, it's been rushed that what concerns me I don't think you can sue pharmaceutical companies either, so if you grow another head then as a side effect, then on your heads be it" So Thalidomide never got sued? | |||
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"No, as I don't want this particular vaccine. This is no way means I'm anti vax, so please don't confuse the two things. I also don't feel the need to justify my choices either. I'm expecting this vaccine to become compulsory like the MMR. What will you do then? Don't think it is compulsory yet but I may be wrong but there are very serious side effects on a small number of children and even if it's one life, is that acceptable? " As always it depends on the alternative risk .. in this case 500000 people have died if you also count the damage caused by lockdown this figure will multiply hugely. I would take the risk of an immunisation to enable the world to get back to pre covid. BUT would I immunise my children ... I don’t know | |||
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"100% I will and will be actively encouraging everyone I know to get it as well... there is literally zero reason NOT to get it. Exactly. People who refuse the vaccine are either operating on false information, or refusing out of pure Ego. There's no guarantee of no side effects in the future, it's been rushed that what concerns me I don't think you can sue pharmaceutical companies either, so if you grow another head then as a side effect, then on your heads be it So Thalidomide never got sued? " Do we not think that science and medical safety has moved on since the 50/60s then? | |||
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"100% I will and will be actively encouraging everyone I know to get it as well... there is literally zero reason NOT to get it. Exactly. People who refuse the vaccine are either operating on false information, or refusing out of pure Ego. There's no guarantee of no side effects in the future, it's been rushed that what concerns me I don't think you can sue pharmaceutical companies either, so if you grow another head then as a side effect, then on your heads be it So Thalidomide never got sued? Do we not think that science and medical safety has moved on since the 50/60s then? " Can you absolutely guarantee that? Why would the vaccination manufacturers ask for legal immunity? | |||
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"100% I will and will be actively encouraging everyone I know to get it as well... there is literally zero reason NOT to get it. Exactly. People who refuse the vaccine are either operating on false information, or refusing out of pure Ego." Or just scared and confused, wtf has ego got to do with it | |||
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"No, as I don't want this particular vaccine. This is no way means I'm anti vax, so please don't confuse the two things. I also don't feel the need to justify my choices either. I'm expecting this vaccine to become compulsory like the MMR. What will you do then?MMR is not compulsory.
No its deffo not compulsory! And spose I shall have to go underground! Lol x
I'll come join you lol. It would violate human rights laws to make it mandatory.
but I think they will try sadly x
Johnson said yesterday that Vaccines will not be mandatory as it is not the way we do it in this country.
He's an idiot, he's on now answering starmers questions, or not as the case maybe"He is bright enough to have got elected. | |||
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"No, as I don't want this particular vaccine. This is no way means I'm anti vax, so please don't confuse the two things. I also don't feel the need to justify my choices either. I'm expecting this vaccine to become compulsory like the MMR. What will you do then? Don't think it is compulsory yet but I may be wrong but there are very serious side effects on a small number of children and even if it's one life, is that acceptable? As always it depends on the alternative risk .. in this case 500000 people have died if you also count the damage caused by lockdown this figure will multiply hugely. I would take the risk of an immunisation to enable the world to get back to pre covid. BUT would I immunise my children ... I don’t know " The death figures of the effects of the lockdown will never be known I appreciate what you're saying but a giant number of deaths are WITH Covid not because of Covid. I'm this country alone, the death rate of SEPSIS is around 25,000 a year. It appears nobody is dying of sepsis now. What about all the other deaths? Dementia, cancer, old age, vehicle accidents etc. My wife's cousin was taken into hospital with pneumonia 2 weeks ago. In less than 24 hours and died. Covid pneumonia apparently but gets buried straight away because no or very few post mortems are carried out. There, especially in her case, no definitive cause of death. I am NOT saying that it isn't a terrible virus but put into perspective. The reason for the lockdown is NOT to stop/alter/prevent Covid in individuals. It is to, hopefully, prevent the NHS (others in other countries) from being overwhelmed with patients. Covid is not going away. It won't burn out, become dormant or anything else. Plus on the vaccination, no guarantee that all will not get it and there will be no long term side effects. If you, meaning each and every individual, wants a vaccination, then go ahead. If you or anyone else doesn't, that's their choice. It's crystal clear that no matter what decisions are made, there is always the media to stir up a frenzy. No matter what, they'll always be someone who disagrees with a decision and the media will find that person and highlight their views irrespective whether it's right or wrong. Personally, I don't have a problem with social distancing, in fact it's good at times but it's the social media that's whipping up frenzies and scaremongering. Ok, at the moment, the trials are saying that an initial dose (or half) followed by a second some time later. Is that an absolute guarantee they don't then suggest a booster every few months? We already see some people not wearing masks, what chances that they'll have an injection. The biggest casualty of the situation is the economy.. | |||
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"The government will make it madatary... I for one will not be going anywhere near a vaccine this incompetent government are encouraging " Well according to a previous post, they won't and I don't think they can. Human rights and all that unless of course, you have undisputable proof that it will be made mandatory. | |||
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"The government will make it madatary... I for one will not be going anywhere near a vaccine this incompetent government are encouraging Well according to a previous post, they won't and I don't think they can. Human rights and all that unless of course, you have undisputable proof that it will be made mandatory. " Have a look at what happened in Norway! Do you trust this government? I've heard that you will need to be vaccinated if you want to travel etc... | |||
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"The government will make it madatary... I for one will not be going anywhere near a vaccine this incompetent government are encouraging Well according to a previous post, they won't and I don't think they can. Human rights and all that unless of course, you have undisputable proof that it will be made mandatory. Have a look at what happened in Norway! Do you trust this government? I've heard that you will need to be vaccinated if you want to travel etc... " Ah you've heard. That makes it true then? | |||
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"The government will make it madatary... I for one will not be going anywhere near a vaccine this incompetent government are encouraging Well according to a previous post, they won't and I don't think they can. Human rights and all that unless of course, you have undisputable proof that it will be made mandatory. Have a look at what happened in Norway! Do you trust this government? I've heard that you will need to be vaccinated if you want to travel etc... Ah you've heard. That makes it true then? " Not saying it's true Could happen be warned that's all | |||
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"The government will make it madatary... I for one will not be going anywhere near a vaccine this incompetent government are encouraging Well according to a previous post, they won't and I don't think they can. Human rights and all that unless of course, you have undisputable proof that it will be made mandatory. Have a look at what happened in Norway! Do you trust this government? I've heard that you will need to be vaccinated if you want to travel etc... " Vaccination is not compulsory/mandatory in Norway, and we do not expect that it will be so in the near future. This assessment is based upon the fact that the Norwegian population still seems to have awareness of the importance of personal freedom and individual rights. This assessment also stands despite the fact that the largest political party in Norway | |||
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"The government will make it madatary... I for one will not be going anywhere near a vaccine this incompetent government are encouraging Well according to a previous post, they won't and I don't think they can. Human rights and all that unless of course, you have undisputable proof that it will be made mandatory. Have a look at what happened in Norway! Do you trust this government? I've heard that you will need to be vaccinated if you want to travel etc... Vaccination is not compulsory/mandatory in Norway, and we do not expect that it will be so in the near future. This assessment is based upon the fact that the Norwegian population still seems to have awareness of the importance of personal freedom and individual rights. This assessment also stands despite the fact that the largest political party in Norway" You in Norway? | |||
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"100% I will and will be actively encouraging everyone I know to get it as well... there is literally zero reason NOT to get it. Exactly. People who refuse the vaccine are either operating on false information, or refusing out of pure Ego. Or just scared and confused, wtf has ego got to do with it" Nothing at all. It's also called freedom of choice. | |||
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"No, as I don't want this particular vaccine. This is no way means I'm anti vax, so please don't confuse the two things. I also don't feel the need to justify my choices either. I'm expecting this vaccine to become compulsory like the MMR. What will you do then? Don't think it is compulsory yet but I may be wrong but there are very serious side effects on a small number of children and even if it's one life, is that acceptable? As always it depends on the alternative risk .. in this case 500000 people have died if you also count the damage caused by lockdown this figure will multiply hugely. I would take the risk of an immunisation to enable the world to get back to pre covid. BUT would I immunise my children ... I don’t know The death figures of the effects of the lockdown will never be known I appreciate what you're saying but a giant number of deaths are WITH Covid not because of Covid. I'm this country alone, the death rate of SEPSIS is around 25,000 a year. It appears nobody is dying of sepsis now. What about all the other deaths? Dementia, cancer, old age, vehicle accidents etc. My wife's cousin was taken into hospital with pneumonia 2 weeks ago. In less than 24 hours and died. Covid pneumonia apparently but gets buried straight away because no or very few post mortems are carried out. There, especially in her case, no definitive cause of death. I am NOT saying that it isn't a terrible virus but put into perspective. The reason for the lockdown is NOT to stop/alter/prevent Covid in individuals. It is to, hopefully, prevent the NHS (others in other countries) from being overwhelmed with patients. Covid is not going away. It won't burn out, become dormant or anything else. Plus on the vaccination, no guarantee that all will not get it and there will be no long term side effects. If you, meaning each and every individual, wants a vaccination, then go ahead. If you or anyone else doesn't, that's their choice. It's crystal clear that no matter what decisions are made, there is always the media to stir up a frenzy. No matter what, they'll always be someone who disagrees with a decision and the media will find that person and highlight their views irrespective whether it's right or wrong. Personally, I don't have a problem with social distancing, in fact it's good at times but it's the social media that's whipping up frenzies and scaremongering. Ok, at the moment, the trials are saying that an initial dose (or half) followed by a second some time later. Is that an absolute guarantee they don't then suggest a booster every few months? We already see some people not wearing masks, what chances that they'll have an injection. The biggest casualty of the situation is the economy.. " The biggest casualty of the situation is people who have lost loved ones. | |||
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"The government will make it madatary... I for one will not be going anywhere near a vaccine this incompetent government are encouraging Well according to a previous post, they won't and I don't think they can. Human rights and all that unless of course, you have undisputable proof that it will be made mandatory. Have a look at what happened in Norway! Do you trust this government? I've heard that you will need to be vaccinated if you want to travel etc... Ah you've heard. That makes it true then? Not saying it's true Could happen be warned that's all " It will happen, but I am sure they will have flights for people who don’t take the vaccine as well, they might be more expensive and the planes might be a bit shabby but needs must etc . | |||
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"The government will make it madatary... I for one will not be going anywhere near a vaccine this incompetent government are encouraging " They can’t make it mandatory, but privately owned companies like airlines, concerts organisers, shops, restaurants, hotels, football teams, etc etc probably will | |||
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"The government will make it madatary... I for one will not be going anywhere near a vaccine this incompetent government are encouraging They can’t make it mandatory, but privately owned companies like airlines, concerts organisers, shops, restaurants, hotels, football teams, etc etc probably will " The NHS, Will they treat you for covid if you've declined the vaccine? | |||
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"The government will make it madatary... I for one will not be going anywhere near a vaccine this incompetent government are encouraging They can’t make it mandatory, but privately owned companies like airlines, concerts organisers, shops, restaurants, hotels, football teams, etc etc probably will The NHS, Will they treat you for covid if you've declined the vaccine? " Will they also treat smokers, drinkers etc? | |||
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"The government will make it madatary... I for one will not be going anywhere near a vaccine this incompetent government are encouraging They can’t make it mandatory, but privately owned companies like airlines, concerts organisers, shops, restaurants, hotels, football teams, etc etc probably will The NHS, Will they treat you for covid if you've declined the vaccine? Will they also treat smokers, drinkers etc? " Very true, they still treat smokers, drinkers, obese and ugly so why not vaccine dodgers. | |||
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"The government will make it madatary... I for one will not be going anywhere near a vaccine this incompetent government are encouraging They can’t make it mandatory, but privately owned companies like airlines, concerts organisers, shops, restaurants, hotels, football teams, etc etc probably will The NHS, Will they treat you for covid if you've declined the vaccine? " Yes, | |||
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"The government will make it madatary... I for one will not be going anywhere near a vaccine this incompetent government are encouraging They can’t make it mandatory, but privately owned companies like airlines, concerts organisers, shops, restaurants, hotels, football teams, etc etc probably will The NHS, Will they treat you for covid if you've declined the vaccine? Yes, " Very succinct and to the point | |||
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"The government will make it madatary... I for one will not be going anywhere near a vaccine this incompetent government are encouraging They can’t make it mandatory, but privately owned companies like airlines, concerts organisers, shops, restaurants, hotels, football teams, etc etc probably will The NHS, Will they treat you for covid if you've declined the vaccine? Will they also treat smokers, drinkers etc? Very true, they still treat smokers, drinkers, obese and ugly so why not vaccine dodgers. "Dodgers? It's a choice not a draft | |||
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"No, as I don't want this particular vaccine. This is no way means I'm anti vax, so please don't confuse the two things. I also don't feel the need to justify my choices either. I'm expecting this vaccine to become compulsory like the MMR. What will you do then? Don't think it is compulsory yet but I may be wrong but there are very serious side effects on a small number of children and even if it's one life, is that acceptable? As always it depends on the alternative risk .. in this case 500000 people have died if you also count the damage caused by lockdown this figure will multiply hugely. I would take the risk of an immunisation to enable the world to get back to pre covid. BUT would I immunise my children ... I don’t know The death figures of the effects of the lockdown will never be known I appreciate what you're saying but a giant number of deaths are WITH Covid not because of Covid. I'm this country alone, the death rate of SEPSIS is around 25,000 a year. It appears nobody is dying of sepsis now. What about all the other deaths? Dementia, cancer, old age, vehicle accidents etc. My wife's cousin was taken into hospital with pneumonia 2 weeks ago. In less than 24 hours and died. Covid pneumonia apparently but gets buried straight away because no or very few post mortems are carried out. There, especially in her case, no definitive cause of death. I am NOT saying that it isn't a terrible virus but put into perspective. The reason for the lockdown is NOT to stop/alter/prevent Covid in individuals. It is to, hopefully, prevent the NHS (others in other countries) from being overwhelmed with patients. Covid is not going away. It won't burn out, become dormant or anything else. Plus on the vaccination, no guarantee that all will not get it and there will be no long term side effects. If you, meaning each and every individual, wants a vaccination, then go ahead. If you or anyone else doesn't, that's their choice. It's crystal clear that no matter what decisions are made, there is always the media to stir up a frenzy. No matter what, they'll always be someone who disagrees with a decision and the media will find that person and highlight their views irrespective whether it's right or wrong. Personally, I don't have a problem with social distancing, in fact it's good at times but it's the social media that's whipping up frenzies and scaremongering. Ok, at the moment, the trials are saying that an initial dose (or half) followed by a second some time later. Is that an absolute guarantee they don't then suggest a booster every few months? We already see some people not wearing masks, what chances that they'll have an injection. The biggest casualty of the situation is the economy.. The biggest casualty of the situation is people who have lost loved ones." Indeed! But not just from covid! Cancer suicide etc., as well x | |||
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"The government will make it madatary... I for one will not be going anywhere near a vaccine this incompetent government are encouraging Well according to a previous post, they won't and I don't think they can. Human rights and all that unless of course, you have undisputable proof that it will be made mandatory. Have a look at what happened in Norway! Do you trust this government? I've heard that you will need to be vaccinated if you want to travel etc... Ah you've heard. That makes it true then? Not saying it's true Could happen be warned that's all It will happen, but I am sure they will have flights for people who don’t take the vaccine as well, they might be more expensive and the planes might be a bit shabby but needs must etc . " Maybe those planes won’t have life vests under the seat because the passengers don’t believe in safety precautions. | |||
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"by the time it gets round to my turn i should imagine if there are any nasty side effects they would of shown themselves.so if its all good i will be rolling my sleeve up.if there are problems with it i wont be That's part of my thinking too albeit it will be a bit sooner than yourself.. The oh is a nurse and is 50/50.." Well that’s shame for your oh as healthcare professionals won’t get a choice. Neither will any of us in the long run. It’s just a matter of time until we’re all given it whether we like it or not. | |||
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"No, as I don't want this particular vaccine. This is no way means I'm anti vax, so please don't confuse the two things. I also don't feel the need to justify my choices either. I'm expecting this vaccine to become compulsory like the MMR. What will you do then? Don't think it is compulsory yet but I may be wrong but there are very serious side effects on a small number of children and even if it's one life, is that acceptable? As always it depends on the alternative risk .. in this case 500000 people have died if you also count the damage caused by lockdown this figure will multiply hugely. I would take the risk of an immunisation to enable the world to get back to pre covid. BUT would I immunise my children ... I don’t know The death figures of the effects of the lockdown will never be known I appreciate what you're saying but a giant number of deaths are WITH Covid not because of Covid. I'm this country alone, the death rate of SEPSIS is around 25,000 a year. It appears nobody is dying of sepsis now. What about all the other deaths? Dementia, cancer, old age, vehicle accidents etc. My wife's cousin was taken into hospital with pneumonia 2 weeks ago. In less than 24 hours and died. Covid pneumonia apparently but gets buried straight away because no or very few post mortems are carried out. There, especially in her case, no definitive cause of death. I am NOT saying that it isn't a terrible virus but put into perspective. The reason for the lockdown is NOT to stop/alter/prevent Covid in individuals. It is to, hopefully, prevent the NHS (others in other countries) from being overwhelmed with patients. Covid is not going away. It won't burn out, become dormant or anything else. Plus on the vaccination, no guarantee that all will not get it and there will be no long term side effects. If you, meaning each and every individual, wants a vaccination, then go ahead. If you or anyone else doesn't, that's their choice. It's crystal clear that no matter what decisions are made, there is always the media to stir up a frenzy. No matter what, they'll always be someone who disagrees with a decision and the media will find that person and highlight their views irrespective whether it's right or wrong. Personally, I don't have a problem with social distancing, in fact it's good at times but it's the social media that's whipping up frenzies and scaremongering. Ok, at the moment, the trials are saying that an initial dose (or half) followed by a second some time later. Is that an absolute guarantee they don't then suggest a booster every few months? We already see some people not wearing masks, what chances that they'll have an injection. The biggest casualty of the situation is the economy.. The biggest casualty of the situation is people who have lost loved ones. Indeed! But not just from covid! Cancer suicide etc., as well x" Each death is tragic but how do we reduce the number of people from dying of cancer and suicides during a global pandemic ? | |||
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"The government will make it madatary... I for one will not be going anywhere near a vaccine this incompetent government are encouraging Well according to a previous post, they won't and I don't think they can. Human rights and all that unless of course, you have undisputable proof that it will be made mandatory. Have a look at what happened in Norway! Do you trust this government? I've heard that you will need to be vaccinated if you want to travel etc... Ah you've heard. That makes it true then? Not saying it's true Could happen be warned that's all It will happen, but I am sure they will have flights for people who don’t take the vaccine as well, they might be more expensive and the planes might be a bit shabby but needs must etc . Maybe those planes won’t have life vests under the seat because the passengers don’t believe in safety precautions." Possibly, I expect Ryanair will find a solution, | |||
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"The government will make it madatary... I for one will not be going anywhere near a vaccine this incompetent government are encouraging They can’t make it mandatory, but privately owned companies like airlines, concerts organisers, shops, restaurants, hotels, football teams, etc etc probably will The NHS, Will they treat you for covid if you've declined the vaccine? Will they also treat smokers, drinkers etc? Very true, they still treat smokers, drinkers, obese and ugly so why not vaccine dodgers.
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"I don't see how anyone will be able to avoid it really ? Also why people are objecting ? We would still have smallpox and a host of other things were it not for vaccinations and experimenting with vaccines .. yes I agree there are risks but doesn't the end justify the means in this case during a world pandemic ? General thinking now suggests it's looking likely to be a requirement to have proof of being vaccinated be able to get into live events,venues and even holidays overseas eventually as the virus continues to impact us . I don't think anyone believes it will go away completely . I'm wondering if in the future not being vaccinated might invalidate public liability / travel insurance etc ? Or perhaps those who can not show evidence of vaccination might not be allowed to go into restaurants ,ships,gyms etc . It may be that they have to pay a higher premium for not getting vaccinated and posing a higher risk to everyone else maybe? Of course people will still be able to make a choice about what goes into their bodies etc ..though I would suggest those people will one day need to be living off grid in the hills and mountains if that is what they want to do . " So, you are advocating those who don't want or can't have the vaccine for medical reasons to be totally ostracised from the rest of society then? Nice. And here's me thinking we live in a civilised,free society, clearly I'm wrong according to your last sentence and some of the comments on this thread.  | |||
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"I don't see how anyone will be able to avoid it really ? Also why people are objecting ? We would still have smallpox and a host of other things were it not for vaccinations and experimenting with vaccines .. yes I agree there are risks but doesn't the end justify the means in this case during a world pandemic ? General thinking now suggests it's looking likely to be a requirement to have proof of being vaccinated be able to get into live events,venues and even holidays overseas eventually as the virus continues to impact us . I don't think anyone believes it will go away completely . I'm wondering if in the future not being vaccinated might invalidate public liability / travel insurance etc ? Or perhaps those who can not show evidence of vaccination might not be allowed to go into restaurants ,ships,gyms etc . It may be that they have to pay a higher premium for not getting vaccinated and posing a higher risk to everyone else maybe? Of course people will still be able to make a choice about what goes into their bodies etc ..though I would suggest those people will one day need to be living off grid in the hills and mountains if that is what they want to do . So, you are advocating those who don't want or can't have the vaccine for medical reasons to be totally ostracised from the rest of society then? Nice. And here's me thinking we live in a civilised,free society, clearly I'm wrong according to your last sentence and some of the comments on this thread. "Nobody is forcing anyone to have a vaccine, it is your own personal choice, just like it is the choice of private companies to refuse you if they decide that vaccination is required . I very much doubt this will apply to people who have a medical condition that stops them taking the vaccine though | |||
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"I don't see how anyone will be able to avoid it really ? Also why people are objecting ? We would still have smallpox and a host of other things were it not for vaccinations and experimenting with vaccines .. yes I agree there are risks but doesn't the end justify the means in this case during a world pandemic ? General thinking now suggests it's looking likely to be a requirement to have proof of being vaccinated be able to get into live events,venues and even holidays overseas eventually as the virus continues to impact us . I don't think anyone believes it will go away completely . I'm wondering if in the future not being vaccinated might invalidate public liability / travel insurance etc ? Or perhaps those who can not show evidence of vaccination might not be allowed to go into restaurants ,ships,gyms etc . It may be that they have to pay a higher premium for not getting vaccinated and posing a higher risk to everyone else maybe? Of course people will still be able to make a choice about what goes into their bodies etc ..though I would suggest those people will one day need to be living off grid in the hills and mountains if that is what they want to do . So, you are advocating those who don't want or can't have the vaccine for medical reasons to be totally ostracised from the rest of society then? Nice. And here's me thinking we live in a civilised,free society, clearly I'm wrong according to your last sentence and some of the comments on this thread.
Nobody is forcing anyone to have a vaccine, it is your own personal choice, just like it is the choice of private companies to refuse you if they decide that vaccination is required . I very much doubt this will apply to people who have a medical condition that stops them taking the vaccine though "I find myself agreeing with you again, however I did agree with piers morgan awhile ago | |||
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"I don't see how anyone will be able to avoid it really ? Also why people are objecting ? We would still have smallpox and a host of other things were it not for vaccinations and experimenting with vaccines .. yes I agree there are risks but doesn't the end justify the means in this case during a world pandemic ? General thinking now suggests it's looking likely to be a requirement to have proof of being vaccinated be able to get into live events,venues and even holidays overseas eventually as the virus continues to impact us . I don't think anyone believes it will go away completely . I'm wondering if in the future not being vaccinated might invalidate public liability / travel insurance etc ? Or perhaps those who can not show evidence of vaccination might not be allowed to go into restaurants ,ships,gyms etc . It may be that they have to pay a higher premium for not getting vaccinated and posing a higher risk to everyone else maybe? Of course people will still be able to make a choice about what goes into their bodies etc ..though I would suggest those people will one day need to be living off grid in the hills and mountains if that is what they want to do . So, you are advocating those who don't want or can't have the vaccine for medical reasons to be totally ostracised from the rest of society then? Nice. And here's me thinking we live in a civilised,free society, clearly I'm wrong according to your last sentence and some of the comments on this thread.
Nobody is forcing anyone to have a vaccine, it is your own personal choice, just like it is the choice of private companies to refuse you if they decide that vaccination is required . I very much doubt this will apply to people who have a medical condition that stops them taking the vaccine though
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"Ugly ? Is there some medical guideline to define this ?" Yes, one look at me and you could bang a paper in the Lancet. ?????? | |||
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"I don't see how anyone will be able to avoid it really ? Also why people are objecting ? We would still have smallpox and a host of other things were it not for vaccinations and experimenting with vaccines .. yes I agree there are risks but doesn't the end justify the means in this case during a world pandemic ? General thinking now suggests it's looking likely to be a requirement to have proof of being vaccinated be able to get into live events,venues and even holidays overseas eventually as the virus continues to impact us . I don't think anyone believes it will go away completely . I'm wondering if in the future not being vaccinated might invalidate public liability / travel insurance etc ? Or perhaps those who can not show evidence of vaccination might not be allowed to go into restaurants ,ships,gyms etc . It may be that they have to pay a higher premium for not getting vaccinated and posing a higher risk to everyone else maybe? Of course people will still be able to make a choice about what goes into their bodies etc ..though I would suggest those people will one day need to be living off grid in the hills and mountains if that is what they want to do . So, you are advocating those who don't want or can't have the vaccine for medical reasons to be totally ostracised from the rest of society then? Nice. And here's me thinking we live in a civilised,free society, clearly I'm wrong according to your last sentence and some of the comments on this thread. "Actually to an extent that's what I am saying ! Btw who mentioned ' medical reasons' ? Not sure what you mean by that ? If someone can't have a vaccine I guess eventually different strains will be developed so that they can .we do that with anyone allergic to penicillin now don't we! though blatant refusal ' my right and all that ' would not be a reason to be exempted in my book. It's for the greater good and principles really don't come into it as far as I see ? Why should anyone risk being in the same place as someone who has not been vaccinated or protected in some way ? Why should I have to run the risk of shutting down again? Surely that's unfair ? Similarly why should the owner of a pub,restaurant ,club,airline ,holiday resort etc run the risk of having to shut down because they have to let people who refuse a vaccination in)on ? There are many other situations where the risk assessment side of keeping a business open and profitable will eventually mean people will need to prove they are healthy to be allowed in to anywhere ..even swinging . Who will want to run the risk of playing with someone who has refused to be protected against a world pandemic? As that will directly / could end up with them losing their business perhaps ? It's not ' ostracising' it's plain common business sense .. No one is going to risk having their businesses shut down again after this are they ? If it can be avoided ? .. so eventually I think in time this is what may happen . We will all need to prove we are virus protected or we simply won't be getting in . | |||
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"I don't see how anyone will be able to avoid it really ? Also why people are objecting ? We would still have smallpox and a host of other things were it not for vaccinations and experimenting with vaccines .. yes I agree there are risks but doesn't the end justify the means in this case during a world pandemic ? General thinking now suggests it's looking likely to be a requirement to have proof of being vaccinated be able to get into live events,venues and even holidays overseas eventually as the virus continues to impact us . I don't think anyone believes it will go away completely . I'm wondering if in the future not being vaccinated might invalidate public liability / travel insurance etc ? Or perhaps those who can not show evidence of vaccination might not be allowed to go into restaurants ,ships,gyms etc . It may be that they have to pay a higher premium for not getting vaccinated and posing a higher risk to everyone else maybe? Of course people will still be able to make a choice about what goes into their bodies etc ..though I would suggest those people will one day need to be living off grid in the hills and mountains if that is what they want to do . So, you are advocating those who don't want or can't have the vaccine for medical reasons to be totally ostracised from the rest of society then? Nice. And here's me thinking we live in a civilised,free society, clearly I'm wrong according to your last sentence and some of the comments on this thread.
Nobody is forcing anyone to have a vaccine, it is your own personal choice, just like it is the choice of private companies to refuse you if they decide that vaccination is required . I very much doubt this will apply to people who have a medical condition that stops them taking the vaccine though
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"The government will make it madatary... I for one will not be going anywhere near a vaccine this incompetent government are encouraging They can’t make it mandatory, but privately owned companies like airlines, concerts organisers, shops, restaurants, hotels, football teams, etc etc probably will The NHS, Will they treat you for covid if you've declined the vaccine? Will they also treat smokers, drinkers etc? Very true, they still treat smokers, drinkers, obese and ugly so why not vaccine dodgers.
Dodgers? It's a choice not a draft
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"Who won't be getting vaccinated, either in the near future, or at all? no thanks, selfish nappy wearers can go ahead tho." Haha, nappy wearers? Why don’t people round your area buy masks instead | |||
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"Who won't be getting vaccinated, either in the near future, or at all? no thanks, selfish nappy wearers can go ahead tho." Then you won't be planning on going to any concerts,clubs, ,resturants or travelling anywhere outside the country for a bit then whilst all the nappy wearers enjoy themselves and feel a bit safer and happier? Or .. ? | |||
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"Latest news is that the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines are not proven (yet?) to prevent a vaccinated individual from spreading COVID. For those who imagine having ‘vaccinated status’ makes them somehow ‘superior’ to those who can’t or won’t accept the vaccine... how would being vaccinated actually make you any different to the non vaccinated (other than by size of your ego?) "For those who imagine having ‘non vaccinated status’ makes them rebellious and edgy to those who will have the vaccine, how will not being vaccinated actually help the country and the world move on from this pandemic and help size lives. | |||
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"Who won't be getting vaccinated, either in the near future, or at all? no thanks, selfish nappy wearers can go ahead tho. Then you won't be planning on going to any concerts,clubs, ,resturants or travelling anywhere outside the country for a bit then whilst all the nappy wearers enjoy themselves and feel a bit safer and happier? Or .. ? " Don’t be to harsh, these poor people thought that you had to wear a nappy and not a mask, no wonder they are confused | |||
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"Latest news is that the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines are not proven (yet?) to prevent a vaccinated individual from spreading COVID. For those who imagine having ‘vaccinated status’ makes them somehow ‘superior’ to those who can’t or won’t accept the vaccine... how would being vaccinated actually make you any different to the non vaccinated (other than by size of your ego?) "To be clear it doesn't make anyone feel ' superior'ifbthevfet vaccinated .. what it does and will do is keep a lookout t of businesses from having to close down again due to people being infected ,it will stop the issues surrounding peoples mental health due to being prisoners in their own homes...maybe even stop a few suicides too! ..and just generally letting life go back to normal for people who can all live in relative safety and not fear being less than 2 metres from someone they don't know . That's all | |||
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"Latest news is that the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines are not proven (yet?) to prevent a vaccinated individual from spreading COVID. " Yes, I read about that a few days ago. So if you're vaccinated you're protecting yourself but not others. It'll only work if most people have it then? | |||
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"I don't see how anyone will be able to avoid it really ? Also why people are objecting ? We would still have smallpox and a host of other things were it not for vaccinations and experimenting with vaccines .. yes I agree there are risks but doesn't the end justify the means in this case during a world pandemic ? General thinking now suggests it's looking likely to be a requirement to have proof of being vaccinated be able to get into live events,venues and even holidays overseas eventually as the virus continues to impact us . I don't think anyone believes it will go away completely . I'm wondering if in the future not being vaccinated might invalidate public liability / travel insurance etc ? Or perhaps those who can not show evidence of vaccination might not be allowed to go into restaurants ,ships,gyms etc . It may be that they have to pay a higher premium for not getting vaccinated and posing a higher risk to everyone else maybe? Of course people will still be able to make a choice about what goes into their bodies etc ..though I would suggest those people will one day need to be living off grid in the hills and mountains if that is what they want to do . So, you are advocating those who don't want or can't have the vaccine for medical reasons to be totally ostracised from the rest of society then? Nice. And here's me thinking we live in a civilised,free society, clearly I'm wrong according to your last sentence and some of the comments on this thread.
Nobody is forcing anyone to have a vaccine, it is your own personal choice, just like it is the choice of private companies to refuse you if they decide that vaccination is required . I very much doubt this will apply to people who have a medical condition that stops them taking the vaccine though
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"Who won't be getting vaccinated, either in the near future, or at all? no thanks, selfish nappy wearers can go ahead tho. Then you won't be planning on going to any concerts,clubs, ,resturants or travelling anywhere outside the country for a bit then whilst all the nappy wearers enjoy themselves and feel a bit safer and happier? Or .. ? " Pure speculation.. Try to put some FACTS into what you're saying not YOUR opinion | |||
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"Not yet sure.. Need to see more information .. I hope you find it There's very good article with a good bit of detail on each of the vaccine trials but I don't think it's on the fab link approved list as it's genuine. To be clear are you saying fab dont let you post links that you state are genuine? Please explain" I posted a link to the Midlands traffic police, on a post about road safety. Fab deemed it not to be in thier approved list, so it was removed. | |||
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"Not yet sure.. Need to see more information .. I hope you find it There's very good article with a good bit of detail on each of the vaccine trials but I don't think it's on the fab link approved list as it's genuine. To be clear are you saying fab dont let you post links that you state are genuine? Please explain" Do you mean you haven't read the forum rules ?? | |||
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"I read an interview with the Dr leading the Oxford lab, she said that several years ago, they decided that there was a very strong chance that the next big virus would be one transmitted from animals to humans. Her and her team started working on a vaccine, they worked on building a vaccine that was ready to host the virus once it had identified. She went onto say that this gave them a massive head start, she went on to say that the system for testing and approval was streamlined due to the fact that governments and private companies pooled resources and threw money at the problem. She was adamant that no short cuts were taken and that all testing was full and stringent rules were followed. The article was on the sky news website. " Wow despite all this they still ‘accidentally’ have the wrong dose to trial volunteers. If they can’t get it right under the tight conditions a trial is SUPPOSED to be carried out under, what hope is there? | |||
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"Latest news is that the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines are not proven (yet?) to prevent a vaccinated individual from spreading COVID. Yes, I read about that a few days ago. So if you're vaccinated you're protecting yourself but not others. It'll only work if most people have it then?" We've got to see the full published trial results, to get a clearer understanding of its effects | |||
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"I will be vaccinated and in the second quota to be vaccinated. My family will also be vaccinated when there time comes. Ironically my son was the age when everyone was being knobs over the MMR vaccine and it’s as a no brainer for me as I’m pro vaccine being from a medical background. Interestingly it’s been proven the ones who have not had MMR are getting worse side effects from COVID " Really? Can you point to the evidence for that? I have heard similar anecdotal claims about the BCG vaccine but not aware of any proof as yet. Back when I worked on cancer vaccines, I was testing BCG as an adjuvant for the vaccine and found it enhanced the immunogenicity of the vaccine. | |||
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"So here is something of interest Researchers Warn of Heightened Risk of HIV With Certain COVID-19 Vaccines From past research on an Ad5-vector (like the Oxford one) based HIV vaccine “ Participants with high frequencies of preimmunisation Ad5-specific T cells were associated with a decreased magnitude of HIV-specific CD4 responses and recipients of the vaccine had a decreased breadth of HIV-specific CD8 responses, suggesting that pre-existing Ad5 immunity might dampen desired vaccine-induced responses.” If we expect a vaccination programme to deliver a certain level of protection, how might this be affected if some have dampened immune responses due to pre existing Ad5 immunity? " That's what the trials are for, to monitor how different population types respond to the vaccine. They have been taking blood samples through the trial from all of them, as well as recording any Sars cov 2 infections. Some people may have AD5 type immunity, especially older people. Ultimately it's the end results that show effectiveness, which will likely include some with this. The Oxford team are fully aware of the AD5 immunity aspects. I'm assuming that this will be within their submissions, so that those interested are able to learn how this relates to the results. | |||
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"So here is something of interest Researchers Warn of Heightened Risk of HIV With Certain COVID-19 Vaccines From past research on an Ad5-vector (like the Oxford one) based HIV vaccine “ Participants with high frequencies of preimmunisation Ad5-specific T cells were associated with a decreased magnitude of HIV-specific CD4 responses and recipients of the vaccine had a decreased breadth of HIV-specific CD8 responses, suggesting that pre-existing Ad5 immunity might dampen desired vaccine-induced responses.” If we expect a vaccination programme to deliver a certain level of protection, how might this be affected if some have dampened immune responses due to pre existing Ad5 immunity? " You seem to have missed the part that states this research was carried out over ten years ago and that the concerns are mitigated by the selective use of mRNA vaccines which weren't available at the time. | |||
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"I'm a little iffy tbh...side affects and all that, I defo won't be for awhile if I do at all. I rely on natural alternative methods" I am I am intrigued. Are there some natural alternatives? | |||
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"I'm a little iffy tbh...side affects and all that, I defo won't be for awhile if I do at all. I rely on natural alternative methods I am I am intrigued. Are there some natural alternatives? " Lockdowns | |||
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"I'm a little iffy tbh...side affects and all that, I defo won't be for awhile if I do at all. I rely on natural alternative methods" The only 'natural' way to get immunity is to contract covid and hope you don't die from it... What the vaccines do is remove the chance you are going to die but still teach your body how to detect the virus... In a 'natural' way | |||
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"I'm a little iffy tbh...side affects and all that, I defo won't be for awhile if I do at all. I rely on natural alternative methods I am I am intrigued. Are there some natural alternatives? " Natural antibiotic foods... Garlic, Onions & Ginger + plus high nutrition food regime + natural antibac... Alcohol, preferably Vodka | |||
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"I work for a funeral service on night shifts, our company are trying to encourage the staff to have it. But considering the amount of unfortunate deaths over the last few months, I’ve been lucky enough and fortunate enough to be tested for COVID on a weekly basis. As regards of the vaccine, I don’t much trust it ? Like the numbers they are coming out with people who have had it, I want to know the big details, who they tested, previously having COVID? Have COVID currently ? Fit and healthy? Health conditions & overweight ? Until they give factual numbers out and it looks legit then I may just consider it! " | |||
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"I'm a little iffy tbh...side affects and all that, I defo won't be for awhile if I do at all. I rely on natural alternative methods I am I am intrigued. Are there some natural alternatives? Natural antibiotic foods... Garlic, Onions & Ginger + plus high nutrition food regime + natural antibac... Alcohol, preferably Vodka "   | |||
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"I don't see how anyone will be able to avoid it really ? Also why people are objecting ? We would still have smallpox and a host of other things were it not for vaccinations and experimenting with vaccines .. yes I agree there are risks but doesn't the end justify the means in this case during a world pandemic ? General thinking now suggests it's looking likely to be a requirement to have proof of being vaccinated be able to get into live events,venues and even holidays overseas eventually as the virus continues to impact us . I don't think anyone believes it will go away completely . I'm wondering if in the future not being vaccinated might invalidate public liability / travel insurance etc ? Or perhaps those who can not show evidence of vaccination might not be allowed to go into restaurants ,ships,gyms etc . It may be that they have to pay a higher premium for not getting vaccinated and posing a higher risk to everyone else maybe? Of course people will still be able to make a choice about what goes into their bodies etc ..though I would suggest those people will one day need to be living off grid in the hills and mountains if that is what they want to do . So, you are advocating those who don't want or can't have the vaccine for medical reasons to be totally ostracised from the rest of society then? Nice. And here's me thinking we live in a civilised,free society, clearly I'm wrong according to your last sentence and some of the comments on this thread.
Nobody is forcing anyone to have a vaccine, it is your own personal choice, just like it is the choice of private companies to refuse you if they decide that vaccination is required . I very much doubt this will apply to people who have a medical condition that stops them taking the vaccine though
I find myself agreeing with you again, however I did agree with piers morgan awhile ago
I once liked a tweet he made, I felt dirty for a week afterwards . Sometimes people you don’t like are right, it doesn’t stop them from being a cunt though
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"I'm a little iffy tbh...side affects and all that, I defo won't be for awhile if I do at all. I rely on natural alternative methods" I also like alternative methods | |||
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"I'm a little iffy tbh...side affects and all that, I defo won't be for awhile if I do at all. I rely on natural alternative methodsI also like alternative methods "If those alternatives have been subject to gold standard level research evaluation, then they are great to look at. It's right that we stay open-minded and use what's going to work. In the meantime, if we maintain a healthy diet, exercise well and regularly, minimisie stress and other staple aspects of personal care, we can face the winter well. | |||
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"I'm a little iffy tbh...side affects and all that, I defo won't be for awhile if I do at all. I rely on natural alternative methodsI also like alternative methods
If those alternatives have been subject to gold standard level research evaluation, then they are great to look at.
It's right that we stay open-minded and use what's going to work. In the meantime, if we maintain a healthy diet, exercise well and regularly, minimisie stress and other staple aspects of personal care, we can face the winter well. "That is right, by doing all that and to work on the immune system, all helps with it | |||
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"Who won't be getting vaccinated, either in the near future, or at all? no thanks, selfish nappy wearers can go ahead tho. Haha, nappy wearers? Why don’t people round your area buy masks instead "They do, mugs. | |||
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"Who won't be getting vaccinated, either in the near future, or at all? no thanks, selfish nappy wearers can go ahead tho. Then you won't be planning on going to any concerts,clubs, ,resturants or travelling anywhere outside the country for a bit then whilst all the nappy wearers enjoy themselves and feel a bit safer and happier? Or .. ? " no, are you?. Think beyond the box, get with the beat baggy | |||
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"Not yet sure.. Need to see more information .. I hope you find it There's very good article with a good bit of detail on each of the vaccine trials but I don't think it's on the fab link approved list as it's genuine. To be clear are you saying fab dont let you post links that you state are genuine? Please explain You can't post links to medical or scientific information or you'll get a ban unfortunately." Thats true. | |||
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"I'm a little iffy tbh...side affects and all that, I defo won't be for awhile if I do at all. I rely on natural alternative methods The only 'natural' way to get immunity is to contract covid and hope you don't die from it... What the vaccines do is remove the chance you are going to die but still teach your body how to detect the virus... In a 'natural' way" | |||
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"So here is something of interest Researchers Warn of Heightened Risk of HIV With Certain COVID-19 Vaccines From past research on an Ad5-vector (like the Oxford one) based HIV vaccine “ Participants with high frequencies of preimmunisation Ad5-specific T cells were associated with a decreased magnitude of HIV-specific CD4 responses and recipients of the vaccine had a decreased breadth of HIV-specific CD8 responses, suggesting that pre-existing Ad5 immunity might dampen desired vaccine-induced responses.” If we expect a vaccination programme to deliver a certain level of protection, how might this be affected if some have dampened immune responses due to pre existing Ad5 immunity? You seem to have missed the part that states this research was carried out over ten years ago and that the concerns are mitigated by the selective use of mRNA vaccines which weren't available at the time. " Sorry what's the connection between the oxford Ad5 vector vaccine and other mRNA vaccines? How would the latter mitigate concerns with Ad5 vaccines- unless you mean by ditching them in favour of mRNA vaccines. | |||
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"The government will make it madatary... I for one will not be going anywhere near a vaccine this incompetent government are encouraging They can’t make it mandatory, but privately owned companies like airlines, concerts organisers, shops, restaurants, hotels, football teams, etc etc probably will The NHS, Will they treat you for covid if you've declined the vaccine? Will they also treat smokers, drinkers etc? Very true, they still treat smokers, drinkers, obese and ugly so why not vaccine dodgers.
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"I can understand peoples concerns but if they make it that you need the vac to be able to travel like what Quantas airline is doing or places where there are large crowds what choice do we have unless we just stay local and don't go out ? " It's very unlikely vaccine will be compulsory and also very unlikely that people refusing it will be discriminated against in the long term but they may find things difficult for a few years until it all settles down again. | |||
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"Quantas. airline have said no vaccine then-no air travel pure and simple Also watched a documentary here that say the vaccine has in it an ingredient that can make some people sterile so if you are thinking of starting a family you best get on with it sooner rather than later " Go on, which documentary? | |||
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"I can understand peoples concerns but if they make it that you need the vac to be able to travel like what Quantas airline is doing or places where there are large crowds what choice do we have unless we just stay local and don't go out ? It's very unlikely vaccine will be compulsory and also very unlikely that people refusing it will be discriminated against in the long term but they may find things difficult for a few years until it all settles down again." Agreed. But then I'd rather stay in the UK and help to boost our own economy too. | |||
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"Why would anyone not want it ? After having a test and the burning sensation of that cotton bud i even volunteered x " Some people can't have any injections and I've yet to find any drug/medicine or injections that don't have side effects. It's weighing up the dangers of the virus and the dangers of the possible cure. | |||
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"Its the legal immunity of tbis vaccination tbat concerns me " Yes. Think Thalidomide | |||
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"Being purely selfish I want it to be thoroughly tested and side effects to be thoroughly investigated before I would even consider it. For a tried and tested vaccine on a health side I would rather the vulnerable have it first then me as they are more susceptible to covid complications so there is enough vaccine to go around. That would change as I got older though. It has been thoroughly tested." And any LONG TERM side effects? Legal immunity? How come they'd been working on the vaccine in January when it wasn't declared a pandemic until March? | |||
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"Being purely selfish I want it to be thoroughly tested and side effects to be thoroughly investigated before I would even consider it. For a tried and tested vaccine on a health side I would rather the vulnerable have it first then me as they are more susceptible to covid complications so there is enough vaccine to go around. That would change as I got older though. It has been thoroughly tested. And any LONG TERM side effects? Legal immunity? How come they'd been working on the vaccine in January when it wasn't declared a pandemic until March? " | |||
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