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By *aily bugle OP   Man 42 weeks ago

Middlesbrough

I have some friends who are totally novices and asked if I could explain things when going to a a club or party. It's a very strange encounter for a first goer There’s complicated crossovers with varying (and sometimes conflicting) rules and etiquettes between the lifestyle community and the hotwife, cuckhold, BDSM, and LGBTQ communities.

All women are bi and no men are bi (sarcasm intended).

D*unk encounters are a terrible idea.

Any other advice

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By *elaxed CoupleCouple 42 weeks ago

Cheshire

Yes isn't an absolute. If it becomes a no, say it immediately. You're not committed by your first thoughts.

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By *aven RedWoman 42 weeks ago

Liverpool x

There are sometimes groups of men that wander around looking lost. They remind me of the ducks you see at the park x

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By *aily bugle OP   Man 42 weeks ago

Middlesbrough


"Yes isn't an absolute. If it becomes a no, say it immediately. You're not committed by your first thoughts."

Thanks

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By *aily bugle OP   Man 42 weeks ago

Middlesbrough


"There are sometimes groups of men that wander around looking lost. They remind me of the ducks you see at the park x"

I find that guys can be quite shy and tend to stick together like ducks

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By *itter78Couple 42 weeks ago

Spennymoor


"There are sometimes groups of men that wander around looking lost. They remind me of the ducks you see at the park x"

Laughed so hard at this 😂😂

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By *aven RedWoman 42 weeks ago

Liverpool x


"There are sometimes groups of men that wander around looking lost. They remind me of the ducks you see at the park x

I find that guys can be quite shy and tend to stick together like ducks "

It is quite daunting going to a club on your own or for the first time, sometimes even second, third, fourth time x

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By *icecouple561Couple 42 weeks ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

Yes, don't see it as your lifestyle. If you friend on swinging to define your way of living you're going to struggle sooner or later.

That also never, ever take one for the team and always have enough money to get home under your own steam

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By *tarcrossed_SwingersCouple 42 weeks ago

Leicester

They didnt tell us you could order a lamb shank when visiting a certain club...

Suppose you've got to recharge your batteries!

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By (user no longer on site) 42 weeks ago

Biggest thing to remember, you owe nothing to anyone!

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By (user no longer on site) 42 weeks ago

People talk about the most mundane things like they are at a bus stop, even though people are having sex feet away. I’ve heard weather, energy prices and golf, as if the conversationalists were oblivious to where they actually are

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By *ellinever70Woman 42 weeks ago

Ayrshire


"People talk about the most mundane things like they are at a bus stop, even though people are having sex feet away. I’ve heard weather, energy prices and golf, as if the conversationalists were oblivious to where they actually are "

How one dimensional would a person be if all they ever talked about was sex?

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By (user no longer on site) 42 weeks ago


"People talk about the most mundane things like they are at a bus stop, even though people are having sex feet away. I’ve heard weather, energy prices and golf, as if the conversationalists were oblivious to where they actually are

How one dimensional would a person be if all they ever talked about was sex?"

I meant more time and place appropriate. They are watching people having sex but talking about normal everyday things at the same time. Seemed incongruous to me

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By *aomilatteCouple 42 weeks ago

Midlands

There's a drink and d*ug cultural that many wouldn't believe. It's common for people to be pissed before playing, we've declined offers from intoxicated people. There's a lot of drama that goes on that isn't seem on Fab, there's stuff that goes on every weekend at clubs.

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By *ike_looking_forMan 42 weeks ago

Cumbria

what footwear for clubs

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By *entleman JayMan 42 weeks ago

Leeds


"People talk about the most mundane things like they are at a bus stop, even though people are having sex feet away. I’ve heard weather, energy prices and golf, as if the conversationalists were oblivious to where they actually are "

Heard some watchers in a big open play room talking about keeping chickens. It was a bit of a passion killer to be honest. lol.

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By *entleman JayMan 42 weeks ago

Leeds

You see lots of club goers in the local McDonald afterwards.

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By (user no longer on site) 42 weeks ago

It can be quite cliquey In some clubs, at least we have found in our experience

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By *he Silver FuxMan 42 weeks ago

Utero

That despite many couples wanting to meet the ultimate: a unicorn, an attractive single woman will still be left at a bar, on a couples / single ladies club night with no-one approaching or chatting to her all night 🤦🏻‍♂️

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By *aven RedWoman 42 weeks ago

Liverpool x


"That despite many couples wanting to meet the ultimate: a unicorn, an attractive single woman will still be left at a bar, on a couples / single ladies club night with no-one approaching or chatting to her all night 🤦🏻‍♂️"

This has happened to me a few times when I first got brave enough to go the clubs. My resting bitch face must have been set to high x

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By *ain and sortedMan 42 weeks ago

Old Harlow Essex


"There are sometimes groups of men that wander around looking lost. They remind me of the ducks you see at the park x

Laughed so hard at this 😂😂"

Yes us single guys are all quackers haha

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By *ain and sortedMan 42 weeks ago

Old Harlow Essex


"I have some friends who are totally novices and asked if I could explain things when going to a a club or party. It's a very strange encounter for a first goer There’s complicated crossovers with varying (and sometimes conflicting) rules and etiquettes between the lifestyle community and the hotwife, cuckhold, BDSM, and LGBTQ communities.

All women are bi and no men are bi (sarcasm intended).

D*unk encounters are a terrible idea.

Any other advice "

They don’t tell you it’s rather addictive and makes you more curious

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By *aven RedWoman 42 weeks ago

Liverpool x

They are great if you have low body confidence. Also great to make new friends x

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By *izandpaulCouple 42 weeks ago

merseyside


"People talk about the most mundane things like they are at a bus stop, even though people are having sex feet away. I’ve heard weather, energy prices and golf, as if the conversationalists were oblivious to where they actually are "

Haha

We where in a room at a club having fun with another couple.

A lady just outside the room starting banging on about an episode of one of the soaps as if it was reality.

Paul soon started to find this ladies commentary had an impact on his fun.

Poor lad....

Its a strange old world.

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By *izandpaulCouple 42 weeks ago

merseyside


"That despite many couples wanting to meet the ultimate: a unicorn, an attractive single woman will still be left at a bar, on a couples / single ladies club night with no-one approaching or chatting to her all night 🤦🏻‍♂️"

We've seen some single ladies in clubs be a tad rude to single guys.

As a woman I find their behaviour a little disingenuous.

Lots of guys are quite frightened and intimidated on club visits.

And some of the woman wouldn't get a second glance in a vanilla environment.

I know some guys can be a bit of a limpet but the vast majority in clubs are well behaved.

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By *aven RedWoman 42 weeks ago

Liverpool x

Politeness costs nothing in a club. Even if you don't want to play, really nice genuine friends can be made. I loved the social side of the clubs x

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By (user no longer on site) 42 weeks ago

There are people from all walks of life and all shapes, sizes, ages and races.

Treat them all with the same respect regardless if you want to have sex with them or not.

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By *ain and sortedMan 42 weeks ago

Old Harlow Essex


"They are great if you have low body confidence. Also great to make new friends x"

When I first started going to clubs a few years ago

What made it real fun , was , everyone’s accepted , regardless of gender, colour , size and shape

Felt like a real community where you leave the outside world at the entrance door

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By *aven RedWoman 42 weeks ago

Liverpool x


"They are great if you have low body confidence. Also great to make new friends x

When I first started going to clubs a few years ago

What made it real fun , was , everyone’s accepted , regardless of gender, colour , size and shape

Felt like a real community where you leave the outside world at the entrance door "

Exactly this. It felt freeing x

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By *ain and sortedMan 42 weeks ago

Old Harlow Essex


"They are great if you have low body confidence. Also great to make new friends x

When I first started going to clubs a few years ago

What made it real fun , was , everyone’s accepted , regardless of gender, colour , size and shape

Felt like a real community where you leave the outside world at the entrance door

Exactly this. It felt freeing x"

It did and was actually very relaxed fun , dare I say it normal people , loosing any stigma regardless that’s why I started swinging x

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By *ot_spicedCouple 42 weeks ago

Queenstown

There is always a few guys (mostly) that latch on to a woman or couple, and latch on. They don't even try to talk, just become your shadow, following everywhere.

Does that actually work?

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By *ain and sortedMan 42 weeks ago

Old Harlow Essex


"There is always a few guys (mostly) that latch on to a woman or couple, and latch on. They don't even try to talk, just become your shadow, following everywhere.

Does that actually work? "

Definitely not and as a single chap here it’s rather embarrassing to watch this happening

I’ve been to clubs with a lady friend and we do sometimes feel crowded when playing

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By *og and MuseCouple 42 weeks ago

Dubai & Nottingham


"They didnt tell us you could order a lamb shank when visiting a certain club...

Suppose you've got to recharge your batteries! "

The food is great isn’t it , the lamb was all gone last night….did you have the last one

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By (user no longer on site) 42 weeks ago


"what footwear for clubs"

This is something that crossed my mind too 😆

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By *ain and sortedMan 42 weeks ago

Old Harlow Essex

Depends on the club and if day time or evening

I call it club foot haha

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By *cLovin2Man 42 weeks ago

London


"There are sometimes groups of men that wander around looking lost. They remind me of the ducks you see at the park x"

I don't remember the ducks walking around with their cocks out in full view.

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By *aven RedWoman 42 weeks ago

Liverpool x


"There are sometimes groups of men that wander around looking lost. They remind me of the ducks you see at the park x

I don't remember the ducks walking around with their cocks out in full view. "

You've not been to the right parks then. There are cocks at a farm x

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By *cLovin2Man 42 weeks ago

London


"That despite many couples wanting to meet the ultimate: a unicorn, an attractive single woman will still be left at a bar, on a couples / single ladies club night with no-one approaching or chatting to her all night 🤦🏻‍♂️

This has happened to me a few times when I first got brave enough to go the clubs. My resting bitch face must have been set to high x "

See I think the reason for that is when you are there with a partner, the guy has to be mindful of not making the existing partner jealous. I've had exactly that happen with a couple of different women. They were up for the idea of an MMF, but the moment I try to chat to a woman - betrayal 🤷🏽‍♂️😄

Bizarre but this is the world we live in.

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By *cLovin2Man 42 weeks ago

London


"There are sometimes groups of men that wander around looking lost. They remind me of the ducks you see at the park x

I don't remember the ducks walking around with their cocks out in full view.

You've not been to the right parks then. There are cocks at a farm x "

Evidently 😁

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By *cLovin2Man 42 weeks ago

London

One thing, no one tells you if there's food on offer at a swingers club, particularly finger food. Be cautious as not everyone adheres to hygiene

😬

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By *londebiguyMan 42 weeks ago

Southport


"They didnt tell us you could order a lamb shank when visiting a certain club...

Suppose you've got to recharge your batteries! "

I've never experienced good food at a club in UK so far.

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By *ain and sortedMan 42 weeks ago

Old Harlow Essex


"That despite many couples wanting to meet the ultimate: a unicorn, an attractive single woman will still be left at a bar, on a couples / single ladies club night with no-one approaching or chatting to her all night 🤦🏻‍♂️

This has happened to me a few times when I first got brave enough to go the clubs. My resting bitch face must have been set to high x

See I think the reason for that is when you are there with a partner, the guy has to be mindful of not making the existing partner jealous. I've had exactly that happen with a couple of different women. They were up for the idea of an MMF, but the moment I try to chat to a woman - betrayal 🤷🏽‍♂️😄

I think you may be right there mate , not all but yes an element of this

All said though if I’m going with a lady I agree parameters first , I m happy for them to play either others , if they feel uncomfortable with me with another lady I do get that and will adhere to their wishes as she needs to feel comfortable and protected

Bizarre but this is the world we live in."

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By *hrisukbishareCouple 42 weeks ago

Edinburgh


"There are sometimes groups of men that wander around looking lost. They remind me of the ducks you see at the park x"

Described to me in Chameleons as "the wanking dead". I try very hard never to appear to be one of those when I'm solo

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By *hrisukbishareCouple 42 weeks ago

Edinburgh


"People talk about the most mundane things like they are at a bus stop, even though people are having sex feet away. I’ve heard weather, energy prices and golf, as if the conversationalists were oblivious to where they actually are "

Oh wow yes. Gay saunas are full of older folk talking about traffic on the A69. And where to park the caravan.

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By *aven RedWoman 42 weeks ago

Liverpool x


"That despite many couples wanting to meet the ultimate: a unicorn, an attractive single woman will still be left at a bar, on a couples / single ladies club night with no-one approaching or chatting to her all night 🤦🏻‍♂️

This has happened to me a few times when I first got brave enough to go the clubs. My resting bitch face must have been set to high x

See I think the reason for that is when you are there with a partner, the guy has to be mindful of not making the existing partner jealous. I've had exactly that happen with a couple of different women. They were up for the idea of an MMF, but the moment I try to chat to a woman - betrayal 🤷🏽‍♂️😄

Bizarre but this is the world we live in."

I was there as a single woman. I like to think I'm friendly and approachable, I'm never mean or nasty. It is what it is I suppose x

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By *urvyhotwife4BBCCouple 42 weeks ago

Scunthorpe

We love the club settings, we try to look friendly and approachable and have met some new friends that way, not always ones who we want to play with but ones you can go to events with to play with others.

People who talk really loud in inappropriate areas (dungeon, cinema rooms, group play rooms) are a nuisance. We are always mindful and if we need to speak to anyone, it’s always in whispers or we move away from the people playing.

I’ve been part of a couple who have been in the lifestyle for our whole relationship. We have always gone to clubs together and, for me there is some comfort in that. I’ve only ever been to a club alone twice in 17 years and I hated it. Completely out of my comfort zone and I was as nervous as hell.

Our inbox is always open if anyone needs guidance on clubs if needed.

Lil x

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By *izandpaulCouple 42 weeks ago

merseyside

We visit the naturist beach/dunes just outside Barmouth in North Wales.

Loads of people complain of single guys wandering around, call them Meerkats.

We find a simple "hello" will either result in them running away or having a pleasant conversation.

The same applies in clubs, if a guy is hovering, engage with him, it could be he's afraid of engaging himself.

A smile and a "hello" costs nothing.

The old problem of "cliques".

Its very difficult, even for couples, to join a few couples already in conversation, the fear conversation will stop and all eyes turn on you.

Over the years we've been blanked and cold shouldered by a few ignorant pricks but just smile and move on.

We would suggest saying "hi" to everyone you pass and see how they react.

Swinging draws from a broad church, your vanilla life is generally from people very similar to yourself, so just bear that in mind when chatting to folks.

It's a great journey with lots of fun and new experiences.

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By (user no longer on site) 42 weeks ago


"We love the club settings, we try to look friendly and approachable and have met some new friends that way, not always ones who we want to play with but ones you can go to events with to play with others.

People who talk really loud in inappropriate areas (dungeon, cinema rooms, group play rooms) are a nuisance. We are always mindful and if we need to speak to anyone, it’s always in whispers or we move away from the people playing.

I’ve been part of a couple who have been in the lifestyle for our whole relationship. We have always gone to clubs together and, for me there is some comfort in that. I’ve only ever been to a club alone twice in 17 years and I hated it. Completely out of my comfort zone and I was as nervous as hell.

Our inbox is always open if anyone needs guidance on clubs if needed.

Lil x"

Very kind offer, aren’t you worried that your inbox might soon be maxed out with emails from the ducks 😆

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By *WB85Man 42 weeks ago

Staffordshire

People's definitions of things vary massively, soft swap for example.

So always discuss things before hand properly to avoid awkward moments.

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By *ellhungvweMan 42 weeks ago

Cheltenham


"

Swinging draws from a broad church, your vanilla life is generally from people very similar to yourself, so just bear that in mind when chatting to folks."

I think this is one of the great things about the site. You meet so many different types of people. Everyone is different but everyone is also the same.

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By *hrisukbishareCouple 42 weeks ago

Edinburgh

The bi-ness of a man is very fluid and needs inquiry. It can definitely shift if there's a F playmate

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By (user no longer on site) 42 weeks ago

As a single female, I tend to go to clubs on my own. The most awkward I've ever felt was a couples/ sgl woman night. They were all backs against the wall and as I scanned the room they averted their eyes. I realise I'm not everyone's cup of tea but I'll never put myself in that environment again. Tried saying hello and just got dirty looks from the females of the couples and a hopeful/disappointed slouch from the guys. Weird.

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By (user no longer on site) 42 weeks ago


"That despite many couples wanting to meet the ultimate: a unicorn, an attractive single woman will still be left at a bar, on a couples / single ladies club night with no-one approaching or chatting to her all night 🤦🏻‍♂️"

My message was in response to yours x

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By *urvyhotwife4BBCCouple 42 weeks ago

Scunthorpe


"We love the club settings, we try to look friendly and approachable and have met some new friends that way, not always ones who we want to play with but ones you can go to events with to play with others.

People who talk really loud in inappropriate areas (dungeon, cinema rooms, group play rooms) are a nuisance. We are always mindful and if we need to speak to anyone, it’s always in whispers or we move away from the people playing.

I’ve been part of a couple who have been in the lifestyle for our whole relationship. We have always gone to clubs together and, for me there is some comfort in that. I’ve only ever been to a club alone twice in 17 years and I hated it. Completely out of my comfort zone and I was as nervous as hell.

Our inbox is always open if anyone needs guidance on clubs if needed.

Lil x

Very kind offer, aren’t you worried that your inbox might soon be maxed out with emails from the ducks 😆"

It happens already, I just wish more people actually read these messages profile first

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By *cLovin2Man 42 weeks ago

London


"That despite many couples wanting to meet the ultimate: a unicorn, an attractive single woman will still be left at a bar, on a couples / single ladies club night with no-one approaching or chatting to her all night 🤦🏻‍♂️

This has happened to me a few times when I first got brave enough to go the clubs. My resting bitch face must have been set to high x

See I think the reason for that is when you are there with a partner, the guy has to be mindful of not making the existing partner jealous. I've had exactly that happen with a couple of different women. They were up for the idea of an MMF, but the moment I try to chat to a woman - betrayal 🤷🏽‍♂️😄

Bizarre but this is the world we live in.

I was there as a single woman. I like to think I'm friendly and approachable, I'm never mean or nasty. It is what it is I suppose x"

The issue isn't with the single ladies, it's about the dynamic in the couple and the male half's desire to get some action despite being on the female partners leash 😁

Now that I'm single, I'd definitely chat you up at the bar darling

Fancy a lemonade? 😉

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By *cLovin2Man 42 weeks ago

London


"As a single female, I tend to go to clubs on my own. The most awkward I've ever felt was a couples/ sgl woman night. They were all backs against the wall and as I scanned the room they averted their eyes. I realise I'm not everyone's cup of tea but I'll never put myself in that environment again. Tried saying hello and just got dirty looks from the females of the couples and a hopeful/disappointed slouch from the guys. Weird."

That's really funny 😁 I imagine the wives are thinking "stay away from my man you hussy". But when a muscly guy walks into the room... "yeah baby" 😂

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By *quirtyndirty!Couple 42 weeks ago

Nottingham

Don't think vanilla people realise how social the scene is, we've learned lots of fascinating things just but talking to people. People talk in clubs, totally different to pubs where it's rare to talk to complete strangers... also it's totally normal to chat with people you have zero interest in sexually.

Lastly it's surprising that how difficult it is to move on to the sex phase , most just dance round it

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By *aven RedWoman 42 weeks ago

Liverpool x


"That despite many couples wanting to meet the ultimate: a unicorn, an attractive single woman will still be left at a bar, on a couples / single ladies club night with no-one approaching or chatting to her all night 🤦🏻‍♂️

This has happened to me a few times when I first got brave enough to go the clubs. My resting bitch face must have been set to high x

See I think the reason for that is when you are there with a partner, the guy has to be mindful of not making the existing partner jealous. I've had exactly that happen with a couple of different women. They were up for the idea of an MMF, but the moment I try to chat to a woman - betrayal 🤷🏽‍♂️😄

Bizarre but this is the world we live in.

I was there as a single woman. I like to think I'm friendly and approachable, I'm never mean or nasty. It is what it is I suppose x

The issue isn't with the single ladies, it's about the dynamic in the couple and the male half's desire to get some action despite being on the female partners leash 😁

Now that I'm single, I'd definitely chat you up at the bar darling

Fancy a lemonade? 😉"

Of course. Lead the way kind Sir x

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By *ohn 66Man 42 weeks ago

South Birmingham


"Biggest thing to remember, you owe nothing to anyone!"

...and nobody owes you anything.

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By *ugmesqueezemeMan 42 weeks ago

Nuneaton

Watch out for the used condoms on the floor.. they can be slipperier than a banana skin 🤔🤦‍♀️

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By *and12Couple 42 weeks ago

flint

That there’s lots of keyboard warriors on here who say there going to do this and that to you then when you meet there little mice

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By (user no longer on site) 42 weeks ago


"There are sometimes groups of men that wander around looking lost. They remind me of the ducks you see at the park x"

This is way I've never been to a club, would be too awkward being solo male

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By *xposedInTheMaleMan 42 weeks ago

Cambridgeshire


"There are sometimes groups of men that wander around looking lost. They remind me of the ducks you see at the park x"

That explains it. We were at a club once, and I'm sure I overheard a woman saying that she only comes to clubs when she fancies a good duck...

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By *ugmesqueezemeMan 42 weeks ago

Nuneaton


"There are sometimes groups of men that wander around looking lost. They remind me of the ducks you see at the park x

This is way I've never been to a club, would be too awkward being solo male "

Don't wander in the packs and it can be great fun.. you might even find a single lady with a resting bitch face that is worth approaching

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By *aven RedWoman 42 weeks ago

Liverpool x

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By *asualfridayMan 42 weeks ago

Highlands


"[Removed by poster at 22/09/25 20:37:59]"

What unusual things has the poster removed?

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By *aven RedWoman 42 weeks ago

Liverpool x


"[Removed by poster at 22/09/25 20:37:59]

What unusual things has the poster removed? "

My clothes x

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By *asualfridayMan 42 weeks ago

Highlands


"[Removed by poster at 22/09/25 20:37:59]

What unusual things has the poster removed?

My clothes x "

That's what I was hoping

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By *ddfellowMan 42 weeks ago

New ferry wirral

avoid middle age men on lemmo

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By *isfits behaving badlyCouple 42 weeks ago

Coventry


"They didnt tell us you could order a lamb shank when visiting a certain club...

Suppose you've got to recharge your batteries! "

And also a roast dinner (Sundays only).

Still helps us keep going all day there.

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By *isfits behaving badlyCouple 42 weeks ago

Coventry

Not everone in a club is a swinger. Over the years we've got chatting to a couple of monogamous couples who just go for the environment. Who go simply to watch and be watched but not play with others. Or a naturist couple once on the sunndeck at Chameleons. Again monogamous but use the club for sunbathing and just enjoy the freedom to heavy pet without the trouble they'd get if they didn't that at a vanilla naturist venue. And a few years ago Mrs had a birthday party in a club. We had a couple of close and trusted vanilla freinds come. Although we didn't convert them they really enjoyed the atmosphere of the club and had a great time.

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By *aszloandnadjaCouple 42 weeks ago

York

Sounds like rhyming slang to me... "I'm just going to have a lamb shank while my partner's busy with someone else!"

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By *sj75Couple 42 weeks ago

castleford


"People talk about the most mundane things like they are at a bus stop, even though people are having sex feet away. I’ve heard weather, energy prices and golf, as if the conversationalists were oblivious to where they actually are

Definitely written by a bloke lol

How one dimensional would a person be if all they ever talked about was sex?"

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By (user no longer on site) 42 weeks ago


"They didnt tell us you could order a lamb shank when visiting a certain club...

Suppose you've got to recharge your batteries!

And also a roast dinner (Sundays only).

Still helps us keep going all day there."

Portions are huge too

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By *aptain19725Man 42 weeks ago

Peterborough

if your a single male be prepared to pay more than anyone else to get in to the club and in some clubs there will be areas single males are not allowed in as it’s strictly for couples however single women are allowed and generally get in cheaper that anyone else. For such a so called excepting community it’s completely sexist in the club environment.

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By *isfits behaving badlyCouple 42 weeks ago

Coventry


"if your a single male be prepared to pay more than anyone else to get in to the club and in some clubs there will be areas single males are not allowed in as it’s strictly for couples however single women are allowed and generally get in cheaper that anyone else. For such a so called excepting community it’s completely sexist in the club environment. "

I remember my first experience as a single guy in a club. Shown to the single guys changing room. It was basically a broom cupboard with a few knackered old rusty lockers and not enough room to swing a cat. Then later returning to the very same club after we got together as a couple and being shown the ladies and couple changing room. It was huge and like a Palace in comparison. Working lockers, space, chairs, good lighting. I was like WTF. When you've done the club scene as a single guy and as a couple you see the difference and in how some clubs treat single guys are very much second class citizens. It wasn't so much the cost that irked me (I understand that factor), it was paying more yet being treated significatly worse. Im a paying customer like anyone else I should have an equivalent standard of service shouldn't I? I say some because some clubs treat single guys more fairly than others.

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